Piecing Together History: The Enigma of Jesus' Life | Parable

[@SharonBalloch]

On of my favorite quotes from Josephus is about Noahs ark... and how he is amazed that people were still visiting it even in his day..also mentions that folks were taking away pieces of the ark even then...

[@abbymonta650]

@@hrmn4694 Former History teacher here, and also spent two summers studying archeology in Cyprus at a site mentioned several times in the New Testament (Acts): Actually, there are parts of Josephus' writings that are clear and obvious forgeries (change in writing cadence, verbiage, obvious bias, etc. For instance, pertaining to Jesus, Josephus barely mentions him except for basically saying he is a teacher who "claims" to be the Christ, whereas the obvious forgery of Josephus' writing(s) says that Jesus "is" the Christ. Josephus would NEVER have said that!! He was commissioned by Rome to simply chronicle the history of the Jews, not offer opinions, and had he written a statement like that, it would have cost him his life! Clearly then, a Christian writer added that later). However, by and large, both religious and secular scholars still regard Josephus as the premier source of that time. Point of fact, specifications that he mentioned about Masada (but hadn't been found and by which people used to dismiss him), have in fact within the past two decades been excavated and found to be exactly as he described!

[@mastermasonhiramabiff2538]

Josephus falvius said that Jesus was the Christ. But Josephus also says vespasian Flavius is the messiah in the book wars of the Jews. So is Jesus the Messiah? Suetonius & tacitus says the same thing

[@julianciahaconsulting8663]

@@mastermasonhiramabiff2538 Sorry the references to Jesus in Josephus, Seutonius and Tacitus have for some time now all been proven to have been fraudulent add ons to the original texts done by the CHurch to shore up the credibility of their religious tracts. There are even whole total fraudulent writings by the CHurch like the Letter of Pilate to the Emperor where Pilate goes on about Jesus.

[@edl1973]

Why didn't any Roman's write about Jesus? They had plenty of people writing at the time. I'm just curious.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@@vardekpetrovic9716 Oh please, I implore you, give a citation for THAT assertion!

[@cameronpoole174]

How much writing do Americans have about random individual Afghan or Iraqi common citizens? Now how much of that will survive 2k years? He didn’t have an army, lead a revolution, or evade capture during a manhunt. He was just another normal meaningless common “criminal” to the Roman’s.

[@SunilSingh-eo4bl]

alugwin archaeological findings and writings from that era doesn’t show any findings but then religious people will twist every small detail as much they can to prove that. It happens to with all religion. Anyways even if they find someone this name doesn’t mean he was son of god. As bible is full of factual mistakes like earth is the center of universe. It’s like writing a really good literature on acid or 🍄. It’s a good read as novel though. ✌🏽

[@limlee.x]

A Roman Historian and Senator actually did write about Jesus. His name was senator Tacitus. Read more here > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ#:~:text=The%20Roman%20historian%20and%20senator,work%2C%20Annals%20(written%20ca His account should even further strengthen the actual existence of Christ because he himself was not a Christian and for a non-Christian to write about Jesus' existence during that time has more strength to it.

[@SunilSingh-eo4bl]

Joseph A. He was born 56 died 120 ad. Assuming he started writing at 20 he would it would still not have any substantial proved for Christ simply stories which have been told by others. But go on

[@miguelangelleonabarca2921]

this is probably the case. Josefus didn't write those words. I still think that Jesus, real or not, has an important message, but not the way the Church has transmitted it.

[@keetrandling4530]

Well, you would be right. Most of what "Christian" churches now teach as doctrine is not in the Holy Scriptures (the Bible), but was adopted, after debate, around the 4th century, much of it beginning at the instigation of pagan emperor Constantine.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@keetrandling4530 lol idk where you got your history and theology from

[@danielpaulson8838]

I believe Jesus taught very similarly to The Buddha, simply nested in different cultural hues and a different time.

[@TheGreatSatan_]

Find this passage where he describes Jesus and then read the couple paragraphs before it. You'll quickly get a feel for his writing style and you'll realize that the part with Jesus was added later on and that he never even heard of the guy

[@maccullaghcorcoran3589]

I am not certain, but I think that this passage was edited later on during the Council of Nicaea under Constantines authority with a few powerful bishops. There was so much confusion at that time amongst Christians and that council really solidified and gave way for the Catholic church to spread. There is so much conradiction in the Bible, specifically the new testament and they needed to add extra layers of authority from history to justify their claims about a man that nobody writing the bible has ever met. Wild shit.

[@julianciahaconsulting8663]

yeah i thought it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a fraud done by the Church some centuries after Josephus wrote his Histories

[@alangervasis]

Seriously?? Josephus is the only mention of jesus outside gospels?? What about 1) Tacitus 2) Pliny the younger 3) Lucian 4) Seutonius 5) Babylonian Talmud 6) Mara bar serapion 7) Celcus

[@judyives1832]

None of those have actual references to Jesus. Some refer to Christians but nothing specifically about Jesus. One mentions Christ but not “Christ” as in a god. It’s referring to a good person. There is evidence for John the Baptist but not Jesus. Most of those sources are written after the gospels and some based off them. So it’s circular to use them as a source. You can’t prove the Bible using the Bible.

[@lindaheath784]

If someone doesn't want to believe he will find a way to not believe.

[@adamhourani9431]

8) The Qur'an

[@HumanAction1]

Tacitus literally names "Christus" and Pilate

[@aaranan.s8419]

@@judyives1832 Agreed!

[@hiera1917]

So, a documentary about Josephus, labelled as a documentary about Jesus (which didn’t even answer the central question).

[@vebesese5632]

Erm... It did. Even if Jesus of Nazareth did exist he wasn't ever a god and people who were mentally ill subsequently created a death cult. What more do you wish to know?

[@raymack8767]

@@vebesese5632 Since you made a declarative assertion Jesus wasn't God, the onus or burden of proof is upon you to prove this.

[@raymack8767]

@@vebesese5632 And how were you around His followers then to diagnose if they were mentally ill or not and you aren't certfied to diagnose them anyway.

[@hugdablok6162]

@@vebesese5632 🤫

[@jhoughjr1]

@@vebesese5632 claiming themselves wise they professed to be fools

[@barrylyndongurley]

It's common to find unverifiable stories from antiquity. If we " believe " ( from the word " lief " which means " to wish") in just any old thing, we're justifiably accused of being credulous and naive, but if we question the most common beliefs in the society in which we were born and still live, we're condemned and ridiculed. I advocate actively researching and questioning everything for one's self, while respecting other's right to believe in whatever they wish. Myths were the language of the ancient world that conveyed larger truths by means of the fictive: literature, myths and legends.

[@ramonitacaraballo5497]

I believe in Jesus Christ and he still does exist he’s alive today in the holy name I’ve got in the Holy Spirit sometimes I look at this and I don’t believe her because you question if he was alive or he was a myth For me he’s for real life and the holy name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth

[@bagchaser3859]

Lol dummy

[@johnramirez3247]

Personal emotion and feeling can't change a fact

[@jimmyglea]

I’m a survivor of the Christian cult. I remember as a kid, they’d bring up Josephus as other than Biblical “proof” that their Christ existed.I called shenanigans then, and I call it now.

[@YouTw1tFace]

Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the younger, Babylonian Talmud, lucian, and others. Sorry but you’ve been tricked.

[@jimmyglea]

@GOD The Creator My Sunday school teachers and religious school teachers would be amazed to find out they had a kid in their class that didn’t exist. Thanks, numbnutz! And it is most certainly a cult.

[@jimmyglea]

@GOD The Creator My Sunday school teachers and the teachers at Heritage Christian school weren’t Christians? I’d tell my parents to get their money back if they were alive. So totally a cult. The Romans AND Jews considered it so. Just because it’s bigger doesn’t make the fact less true.

[@jimmyglea]

@GOD The Creator Absolutely. Every “believer” in the adult Santa, aka god, is a cult member. Who said anything about cannabis? And yes, regrettably I was a christian until I got old enough to distinguish reality from fiction.

[@samuelmithran5586]

Jesus did exist 😂😂

[@legendarysixsamurai-shien402]

I think Mary cheated on Joseph and her lie got a tad outta hand...

[@CodenameHaswelly]

exactly

[@worldcitizen9847]

Probably Joseph was old and that's why Mary found someone younger and more athletic. I completely understand it 😝

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@worldcitizen9847 maybe Josephus was athletic, but the other guy had munay

[@worldcitizen9847]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 The other guy was an Angel. And we all know how beautiful they are?

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@worldcitizen9847 especially after a drink or two

[@johnallenismynameandmusici2796]

Everything I've seen outside of Josephus is various people in the late 1st and up to the 4th centuries mentioning Jesus and they all said they "heard" this. I believe there were several Jesus figures back then who were preaching love so how do you know which one they're talking about? The show notes that some of these sightings were reported 60 years after but it was much longer, like 100-400 years AD. The Catholic Church has benefitted in innumerable ways, and forced people to pray the way they wanted them to, because of the way the Bible was written. The Pope said you couldn't get to heaven unless you did it the Catholic way. I don't doubt that the Italians took the original Bible (it's probably in the Vatican) and rewrote it. We have no traceable idea who wrote the 14 original books that were supposedly not included in the Bible or who wrote the passages that were deemed worthy by the Catholic Church. We have a pretty good idea that Moses must have written Exodus and Deuteronomy. But the Bible has been translated, edited and modified for 2000 years. If true miracles were being performed, if someone had been raised from the dead, I think hundreds of people would have written something down (yes, they could write) or sent a letter or clay tablet to their relatives or friends telling them about it. But something like this has never been found.

[@mastermasonhiramabiff2538]

Josephus falvius said that Jesus was the Christ. But Josephus also says vespasian Flavius is the messiah in the book wars of the Jews. So is Jesus the Messiah? Suetonius & tacitus says the same thing

[@StopFear]

Josephus was the only sane person of all of those Jewish zealots. Those guys absolutely wasted their lives.

[@belikewater2413]

Every legend and myth is found on a truth of sorts... Robin Hood, King Arthur, Achilles and so on, are all no doubt based upon a person or more likely persons from some period in history. I’m sure that there was a Jesus, a preacher and wise man, a great speaker and a person that people of the time looked up to and followed his teachings... son of god, raised from the dead, well we don’t see people of that nature today, so why then...?

[@MDeLorien]

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[@janeslater8004]

Yes mithras horus and appolonia

[@bliots8369]

cause he was the Son of God. So why should we see people of that nature today if they aren't the Son of God?

[@drewtheceo9024]

The fact that people are talking about this at all proves a man named Jesus actually walked the earth. People just fight over who or what he really was. So did he exist. Im convinced he did. Up to you to believe the rest. My beliefs are my own. I chose wether to believe or not. What will you choose? Free will is a bitch ain't it. I love you all, bless.

[@nicwilson89]

People will probably still be talking about bigfoot, too

[@jamesmccluskey8055]

If Jesus died for our sins, what happened to all of the sinners before Jesus came along? Did everyone just end up going to hell? The Bible says no one can take the punishment for someone else’s sin. How did Jesus die to save sinners with this being said? Deuteronomy 24:16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin. We are not born into sin and are not guilty of sins of their fathers or Adams transgressions- Deu. 24:16, 2 Chron. 25:4 I find a contradiction when Christians say ''You're born a sinner' yet another verse states ''we are fearfully and wonderfully made''?? Many Christian religions believe that we are born in sin due to “Adams Transgression” yet though this is a common belief someone else’s choices cannot make you a sinner. When one is born they are without sin. We learn this in Moroni 8:10-21 "If someone else causes to murderer another person does that make me a murderer"? Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”​-Romans 6:7. "Death is sin. Romans 6:23. Yet not all deaths lead to sin and not all sins leads to death". "Do you believe you are a Sinner in the hands of a angry God?". There's a problem with the nar·ra·tive theory of the conceptive teachings found when it comes to the thought of original Sin debts for all of humanity". Jeremiah 31:34.

[@johnw3078]

Muhammad surely talked about jesus many times

[@phaniraja2252]

That's exactly like we talking about Columbus. Theres a 600 year timeline in between and there was no internet or phones to keep up with original stories.

[@rewer]

They are origin from the same religion. So muhammad mentioned of jesus carry no historical weight.

[@Sjimbwow]

Muhammad was 600 years (!!) after Christ...Christianity was well established by then so what is the point of mentioning this in relation to proving if Jesus existed or not?

[@vio19848]

@@Sjimbwow that Jesus lived on in history hundreds of years later even a prophet named Muhammad who didnt believe in the Holy Trinity but still proclaimed Jesus Christ. The difference in religious beliefs but Jesus Christ was known by all.... Even the Devil knows Jesus exists! Why is everyone so strung up on the comments we shouldn't be attacking one anothers beliefs or opinions! Where is humanities common sense people

[@Sjimbwow]

@@vio19848 I'm not attacking. Just questioning. This is a video 'did Jesus exist' so we're discussing on that topic. Again: in the discussion of proof of the existence of Jesus, there is no point calling Muhammad as this was 600 years later which disqualifies him from this topic.

[@joanhyde1745]

The validation of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ is the fact that Christianity be came one of the three major religions in the Western world within a few hundred years of his death. That more than one billion people in the world today worship him suggests his existence was rather convincing to lots of people. If you wish a more persuasive argument, please read “Mere Christianity” by C.S. Lewis.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

Or Hyam Maccobi

[@norbiplayz9759]

Whether people think he's real or not if he was fake why would we have so many churches? And why would we have saints the first saint was Saint Peter And Peter was Jesus Apostle Also why would we only be I the year 2021? It's clear time started from when Jesus was born and its been over 2000 years what are the chances of even a piece of stone surving from those times.

[@norbiplayz9759]

@alugwin Churches date back thousands of years ago and McDonald's started 1955

[@Unknown86483]

He did exist. I won't get into detail here but jesus answered my prayers. He helped me with depression and school. That is enough evidence to convince me that he's real.

[@2Hesiod]

We can trust Josephus. That's aside from the point, as he didn't write that comment.

[@andyboa8107]

We cannot trust Josephus as he is contradicted by archaeology and also he didn't write the comment about Jesus.

[@2Hesiod]

@@andyboa8107 Thank you. Yes, it's an unmistakable interpolation. That leaves no testimony outside the Bible.

[@2Hesiod]

@@andyboa8107 Do you like Richard Carrier's work?

[@andyboa8107]

@@2Hesiod There may be something in the line about James the brother of Jesus. Also Paul's mentioning James the brother of Jesus.

[@2Hesiod]

@@andyboa8107 Sounds like grasping at straws to me. Jesus is very thoroughly mythical and not the slightest historical. Carrier deals with Paul very well.

[@HumanAction1]

"This is the only reference outside the New Testament" Umm... no.

[@JustJJr]

Can you name another?

[@CochinKerala]

Please do one on Mohammed with pictures and dramatised content... If you guys are brave enough.

[@alikhanmoazzam]

dont you dare provocate a quater of worlds population sicko

[@vebesese5632]

I love you're three decades late on being what Americans call enlightened.

[@dyawr]

It's already been done...And it's kind of filth.

[@raymack8767]

Is it truly enlightened to do this "documentary" but not one on Mohammed?

[@raymack8767]

1 billion Muslims isn't a quarter of the world's population and there are more Christians in the wotld than there are Muslims.

[@markthorne6627]

I had never heard the full story of Josephus before. Very interesting.

[@TheOneWorldGovernment]

Jesus is not his real name. JESUS is romanized word of Hebrew Letters יהשוה. John (or) Jehohanan is real name. See in Link ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehohanan ) John or Jehohanan is mistakenly known as Jesus, Who is preacher a Noahide Laws to Gentiles, Then what is Noahide Law. The 7 Laws of Noahide should follow by the Gentiles to get salvation and to Enter in the Kingdom of God in this world. Jews are chosen people of God. They should follow 613 Commandments according to Torah for their salvation and to get in God's Kingdom. Soon God's kingdom is going to Establish in this world by Messiah/Christ that Era is known as Messanic Era (The Era of Peace) King Herod want to kill Jehohanan known as Jesus because of political Situation.This man is crucified in Roman control Israel. It is accounted by Jewish historian Josephus. Then how he got the name JESUS, Jews mentioned their God name in four letter tetragrammaton יהוה YHWH when this man (JEHOHANAN) Know as Jesus came to preach the 7 laws of Noah to Greeks and romans in Israel.Jews mistakely thought he is preach Jewish doctrine to non Jews. He came for salvation to Gentiles through 7 Noahide Laws. Shin letter is made of 4 Yuds and 3 Vavs has numerical value 58. Number 58 is also numerical value of Noah / Grace. Noah and Grace are mirror letters in Hebrew(נח) Noah (Noach) (חנ) (Chen means Grace in Hebrew) Grace. So Hebrew letter ש is put in the middle of Hashem. we got YHSWH/יהשוה is not pronunciable for general reading. To make it readable one Sounds of יהשוה of Hebrew letter form is taken in account. YAHSHUA is for formed.Later it is most romanized as JESUS. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aInOqnqohs-Cq9E

[@bagchaser3859]

Because you don't study history. Every thing is hidden in history. That's how people are fooled, not knowing their history

[@quonyoung1280]

Yes jesus existed he was just a spiritualy perfect man with perfect spiritual stability and strengh, its about time we new the truth about jesus, if this were not true i would have told you so😀

[@lorincszabo2452]

I love it when something starts like someone making a huge mistake. Nazareth was not created until 300 years after Christ - ergo could not be Nazarene. In the time of Bethlehem Jesus, there was only one in the kingdom of Galilee in Galilee, and that of the Parthian Empire. The other Bethlehem only became its original name Beth-lomon 400 years later. This is Bethlehem, which has already been renamed by Christians, next to Hierosolyma /Lord Falcon/ now called Jerusalem . I would watch this video - what the Romans wrote. And calculate T.J. Did Flavius write about Christ or not? Is Jesus Historical? What Do The Romans Say About Him?

[@rammmin1]

Like always we end up with question rather than answer.

[@norbiplayz9759]

Agreed

[@vebesese5632]

Erm... If you need an answer before watching you're obviously American. Even if Jesus of Nazareth did exist he wasn't ever a god and people who were mentally ill subsequently created a death cult. What more do you wish to know?

[@rammmin1]

@@vebesese5632 how does someone become an authority on this topic such as you?

[@rammmin1]

@Stephen Bishop its more of ontological arguments rather than socio economical , mythology existed before history .

[@CultgentlemanJack]

If you need to ask the question, you need to ask your self why am I asking it in the first place.. faith is a power thing that’s why each and everyone of us need someone to believe in us in order to feel love and belonging...believe because he believes in you.!🙂

[@David-zc6wq]

Not even gonna watch, but judging by all the Josephus comments you're almost there. Will it help to learn that Constantine was also a Flavian?

[@tombombadil5439]

Tacitus is also generally assumed to refer to Jesus. Also, Suetonius is thought to refer Jesus, but it is disputed.

[@julianciahaconsulting8663]

No not disputed at all but proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the references to jesus by Seutonius and Tacitus were fake additions by the early Church to the original texts by those two historians.

[@jamesduhaime3539]

If Jesus did not exist, why would Josephus mention him at all? Why would the gospels also mention him? Why would Christians be willing to die in great numbers in Rome because they believed Jesus existed? This show is skewered and offers a one sided POV, IMO.

[@marklester1711]

Josephus wrote more than two generations after the supposed life of Christ, so not a witness in any sense, so irrelevant.

[@kathidori8504]

When was this video made? Maybe there are new discoveries?

[@martyhorten3743]

Thank you for 'Quality Documentary Historical Information' 👍

[@jameswatkins4729]

'King Jesus' a novel by Robert Graves presents a fascinating, though highly unorthodox narrative in which Jesus is shown to be the legitimate "King of the Jews".

[@MrMarcodarko]

Diesnt fky. Because jesus never fit any of the expected messiah roles...especially death

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

I think I’m getting a large Josephus poster and maybe a puppet as well for the bathroom.

[@matthew-jy5jp]

What you should know that he was a Roman collaborator and helped Romans commit genocide against his own people😳 you sure do really pick some winners

[@ronaldwagner8163]

All of Josephus's writings had to be approved by Vespasian a roman emperor...So the question is would you trust a roman emperor whose agenda was to subdue the Jews....

[@ALRIGHTYTHEN.]

I don't know that anyone that I haven't met personally really exists. Let alone anyone that supposedly existed before I was born. As far as I know, the universe started on the day I was born. Someone had to be last. If Josephus hadn't been the last one, it would have been someone else writing about it and people would be questioning the accuracy of their story instead. It's not really a stretch, luck, or skill at games of chance. He just happened to be the one.

[@JustJJr]

I don’t think at a time of such high religious zeal, pagan and monotheist, with such a belief in magic that in all the Mediterranean only one historical or scribe chose to write about him? The Egyptians leave no records either.

[@moneyfeinjayscrub]

Impossible the universe started when i was born

[@ALRIGHTYTHEN.]

@@moneyfeinjayscrub if you're even real. I haven't seen you in person, so you could be a bot.

[@justinhemion6279]

What you need to "realeyes" is that absolutely EVERY SINGLE THING thats happened throughout all "history" which IS HIS STORY is exactly the way it was ALL supposed to happen. Every single thing is "to God be the Glory"... GOD ALWAYS GETS ALL OF THE GLORY. No maTTer what ANYONE thinks, says or believes. If you believe otherwise,you have been DECEIVED just as the world & those "of the world" have been deceived by the "prince of the power of the air" aka, SATAN. I tell you all this.. their is none,no one, not one under the sun as theres "nothing new under the sun" who does NOT fall short of the Glory of the Holy WON! May God who is the Father,who is His Jesus Christ,who is The Holy Spirit,who is my Father,my Lord who is my God BLESS EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU.

[@KD400_]

@@ALRIGHTYTHEN. so what about these actors celebrities when they r televised u think they still don't exist lol

[@behati9108]

The title is really misleading. Its more about Flavius Josephus than Jesus. Anyways, it was a good watch.

[@martinkent333]

It was added after Josephus died, dimwit. Wiki.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@martinkent333 dimiwit watch the fucking video.

[@jhoughjr1]

I watched a lot of this series when it aired in the late 2000s

[@jakeney7174]

It's a complete lie that only Josephus mentions Jesus outside the gospels. Tacitus contemporary with Josephus mentions Christ. Literally just Google does Tacitus mention Jesus and it will show you.

[@marklester1711]

Tacitus doesn’t mention Jesus, but in any case he wasn’t contemporary with Jesus, so he was commenting on what others were saying. He personally had no knowledge.

[@StopFear]

Too bas the documentary didn’t define what they mean by “Jesus”. It may seem like a non question but in this context it is extremely important. Just a small example is whether it’s the Jesus as the Bible describes? Or a Jesus as some leader? Was he only one Jesus?

[@HelloThere-xx1ct]

At best, Josephus wrote about Jesus decades after he died and doesn't really serve as any more than proof the Jesus myth was spreading around the area. The oldest manuscript we have for Josephus is from the 11th century, making it extremely likely that Christian scholars/monks added in the reference to Jesus in later copies of the book. This was a fairly common practice and wouldn't have been a surprising thing to do.

[@daogdaog]

God exists because nature cannot create biological life from scratch.

[@HelloThere-xx1ct]

@@daogdaog Prove it!

[@daogdaog]

@@HelloThere-xx1ct biological life has coded info. Only intelligence can create complex coded info. Mindless nature cannot do it using random.

[@HelloThere-xx1ct]

@@daogdaog Prove it. Cite one single scientific paper that shows intelligent life cannot come about naturally.

[@daogdaog]

@@HelloThere-xx1ct you can verify it yourself by creating a Bible just by using random letters. Use your brain. A cell is much more complex than the arrangement of letters.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

I'm halfway through the show and sobfsr I have not heard any mention of the fact that most scholars now recognise the testimonium Flavianum as a later interpolation by a Christian scribe. I am certain at least Steve Mason would have told you this. Let's hope you get to that later in the episode, but honestly all this talk about whether Josephus is reliable is irrelevant if that one tiny passage was added centuries later. PS finally, we get to this in the nineteenth minute! Glad you included Steve Mason's analysis, but he is not telling you this is "controversial" as you say, he is telling you that Josephus didn't write it.

[@ASK-hy3vn]

As times go by, your works will as well be deciphered hope the people of the time won't label you as liers

[@ep5acg]

Didn't Tacitus also mention Jesus?

[@nicwilson89]

No

[@Panos_Stayis]

Gospels are independent historical sources written in different time in different places from different people in the first place. And with plenty of copies certifying their authenticity

[@krushtdimunds4474]

There will never be a clear cut answer about Jesus existing on earth simply because anything to do with the subject is faith based not fact based. So you either believe or you don't. Personally myself I am a big believer! Proud of it to!!

[@marquisjohnson7431]

who is that white man depicted as Jesus who grew up in the heart of the middle east?

[@poolpulse3447]

Color matters to simple people.. What matters is the Word Jesus preached. What matters is the message..

[@meshuggahlad7]

White people existed and also lived all over the Mediterranean. White people were in Egypt and somehow at some point ended up on the Japanese islands. WAY WAY BEFORE JESUS. So, that white man is most likely an Arab man, but if he was white it wouldn't be unheard of. Bet you didn't know peoples skin changed color over Melenia due to environmental factors. So where there was once a dark skinned person may have lost some pigment over time, cloud coverage and all. Or, maybe god just made us one day. Either way, you're an asshole

[@ivorwindybottom7364]

Isn't the oldest corpse found, that of a white man ? chap that was found in ice, well before the time of the bible, as Deacon stated, skin pigmentation changes with the climate, the white man been around a lot longer than you think.

[@ivorwindybottom7364]

@alugwin Otzi....The Iceman.......5300 year old corpse, found on the border of Italy and Austria, I'd say that over 3000 years was enough time for the white man to reach the middle east.

[@paxanimi3896]

And there’s a lot of people wearing white clothes in this vid... damn racists!

[@deepskull366]

DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU ARE REFERRING TO BLACK OR WHITE JESUS.

[@alangervasis]

Jesus was not black or white.. Hr would have been of mediterranean tone.

[@deepskull366]

@@alangervasis POSSIBLY 💁🏽‍♂️

[@RadAl-123]

While I was looking at utube regarding pharaoh's carvings I realized everyone was bearing a ring and cross, even carved letters, at their bottoms alway cross connected to ring, How this later developed in Christianity that every one has his cross...

[@godlylife8726]

cross is crucification method of Roman Empire. why you mingle these things.

[@makestraightthewayofthelor664]

Matthew chpt.4 17From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

[@BritLowe]

The Jesus Family Tomb was found in 1980 20 meters from the Temple Mount. The largest tomb found in Israel. JESUS EXISTED AND IS LIVING IN ALL CHRISTIANS HEARTS TODAY!!

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@alugwin that’s what I ask myself on a daily basis

[@chengkop4113]

good .. he is God and God who can't defend himself from crucification. how he would help his followers..

[@samuelmithran5586]

​@@chengkop4113 Jesus rose from the dead...

[@Nkosi766]

Did you actually read the entire passage of Josephus, does that phrase even belong where it is,? It seems like an interruption to me.

[@martinkent333]

Wiki says NOPE.

[@dwhitman3092]

I am subscribed!

[@heavensent88]

To understand the stories of Jesus, one has to understand the writer and the time he lived in. Those who contributed to the story of Jesus were the same people who wanted to restrict access to the bible for the common people. They regarded Jesus and his followers as “SINNERS.” Thus he gave his life for the sins of man. Though it’s highly likely that most people were sinners....it’s definitely not what Jesus died for....He died so that those who seek truth and righteousness can live. He was probably the first major leader of the protestant movement.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

Have You ever considered that it was allowed to edit the nt while the ot couldn’t be changed?

[@heavensent88]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 Only those who had access to the bible had the ability to change it....and those who had access wanted to keep their power so they can take advantage of those who did not have access. Many Europeans fled Europe to America because of religious persecution....that’s why the US put so much importance on religious freedom.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@heavensent88 religion is not a result of some deluded worshippers, they are the target group. Christendom was created by astrologers, writers and rich ppl with Roman citizenship

[@heavensent88]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 When you label yourself a Muslim, Christian, Taoist, Hindu or whatever.....you reject everything else with a different label....you corner yourself.Once you are cornered you are ready to fight to death.

[@cygnusustus]

The writers were liars. That's all you need to understand about them.

[@sbkidde]

Josephus testified that Jesus existed. Vespasian commissioned Josephus to write a history to develop the imperial line of succession for the Roman republic.

[@cygnusustus]

Josephus never testifies to the existence of Jesus.

[@barbp2768]

The Romans executed Jesus. Why would Josephus write that Jesus was the Messiah and take a chance that it would anger the Romans? Josephus isn’t the only one that is proof of Jesus’ existence. Why is this still being questioned to this day?

[@fr3d42]

Have you seen the video? The reputation of josephus is questionable. What are the other proofs of jesus?

[@Jim87_36]

Part of it or the fact that the Bible itself is a collection of folktales and completely wrong about nature, the Romans, and a lot of other things. It’s nowhere close to being true hence why it’s more recently been seen as figurative rather than literal. So much like a modern fan fiction, most of the Bible may be based on SOME historical truth but it’s highly exaggerated or completely wrong in general.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

It’s been questioned because it’s a big business and also because of books like “the devil’s pulpit”.

[@julianciahaconsulting8663]

I was very much under the impression that it was proven that Josephus' alleged reference to Jesus was a later Church fraudulent addition to Josephus' original text...no?

[@michaelnicholls3294]

He wasn’t born on 25 December and no date is given anywhere. It was impossible for the Magi and shepherds to have been there on the same night e.g. the Magi followed a star that only appeared upon his birth. The two gospel accounts of his birth conflict - how? The only witnesses were his parents. Who delivered him? The Basilica of the Nativity was apparently built on the site of the stable. How did they know over 35 years later, where he was born? It would have been developed. Downstairs you can kiss the exact spot where was born……how can they prove that?! The four Gospels were not written by the names given to them and written forty or fifty years after his supposed death. Why take so long to record such a famous person? Emperor Constantine created Christianity by issuing an Edict of Milan in 313 and proclaimed himself to be one. It was created to subdue great civil unrest to give the Jews somebody to believe in. There are other examples of the story we are given that just don’t make sense.

[@sqeekms6186]

Historical fact pontus pilot wrote Caesar a letter describing Jesus to him and the situation. He also said when he first saw Jesus amongst the Jews he stuck out because his hair was golden. That's a historical letter from pontus pilot to Caesar you'll have to Google it

[@respektmyname15]

That is a blatant forgery. No such letter from Pilate exists

[@thefisherking78]

This is really more about Josephus than Jesus, but I'm kinda glad. Such an interesting character 😜

[@cherkas009]

At least Josephus actually existed not like Jesus the myth

[@samuelmithran5586]

​@@cherkas009jesus did exist NAD Josephus actually writes about Jesus's as brother

[@rubenangeliqueholguinlopez5819]

It doesn't matter whether Jesus really existed or not when you can filter through the dogmas created by the early Christian Church in the Gospels there is a good message

[@abbymonta650]

Excellent point and I'm in complete agreement!

[@danielpaulson8838]

Agreed

[@rubenangeliqueholguinlopez5819]

You obviously have not studied the history of the early Christian Church or the NT in depth but I respect your opinion the main thing is that we love our neighbors as ourselves God Bless You Its OK to disagree

[@abbymonta650]

I think the confusion here, and hence the agree vs. disagree, is because if you re-read the original post and replies, there are fundamentally *two* questions being asked, and herein, I agree with both parties. Thus, the questions are: 1) "Does it matter if Jesus existed or not in order for the Gospel(s) to carry a good message?" To this I agree with Ruben and say, "No. A solid teaching is a solid teaching. Period." Question 2) Lynda's reply slips in the additional theme of salvation (which Ruben never mentioned), and asserts that Jesus is "the one who saves your soul." With this I also concur, therein agreeing with both parties who might otherwise look at odds until you take a step back and see that the original post was only addressing "if Jesus had to exist in order for His teachings to be meaningful," whilst Lynda brought in salvation by which the Bible teaches that Christ is, "the way, the truth and the light." As an extra side-note, I do have to deviate a bit on my second agreement and concede that I believe that we will see people from other faiths on the other side of heaven's gate because even though they might not have professed Christ as their "Savior," there could have been any number of mitigating circumstances why this might have been (the famous question posed here of course is always, "What about the people who died without ever hearing the Gospel?). To this end, I would like to think that the Lord is rooting for more people to join in paradise than not, and as it is *He* who will stand as judge, as always, let our first and greatest task be to love each other as commanded. Blessings to you all!

[@rubenangeliqueholguinlopez5819]

I don't worship Jesus I worship God because worshiping Jesus is Idolatry please read and examine exodus chapter 20 please I'm sorry for the confusion I follow the Jewish ✡ faith 🙏 God Bless You

[@nasticanasta]

it is not the only non-biblical reference of Jesus...The only thing the History Channel doesn't have....History

[@vgovger4373]

The Romans wrote about Christos, Christ, Jesus, and his crucifixion.

[@matthewgrant2785]

No birth date, no burial, no remains, no Jesus

[@kishand.n5078]

4:20 .. why am I laughing loudly😂😂😂.. Section 420 in the Indian Penal Code deals with Cheating and dishonestly inducing delivery of property. The maximum punishment which can be awarded under this section is imprisonment for a term of 7 year and fine.. apparently what a coincidence...😁😁

[@danellis-jones1591]

So you quite convincingly prove that there is no reliable evidence of Jesus outside the bible, and so we really have no idea if he existed or not, and then at the end you say he's great and so there IS proof of Jesus in his writing? I mean if he didn't exist, then Christianity is based on a story at best. So I see why you don't want to conclude that is the case. But your whole programme said that it IS the case

[@nathanprentice7230]

Maybe this is over simplifying, idk, but what does he gain from lying? Obviously what he gains from the lies about himself are a better account of himself, something we would all find useful. But what does he gain from lying about Jesus?

[@jonneiss7562]

"nearly all historians...accept that a human Jesus existed...." from Wikipedia Historicity of Jesus The question of the historicity of Jesus is part of the study of the historical Jesus as undertaken in the quest for the historical Jesus and the scholarly reconstructions of the life of Jesus. While the Christ myth theory proposes that Jesus never existed, nearly all historians reject the Christ myth theory and accept that a human Jesus existed...." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

[@lookup4183]

There is no jesus as the letter j is a relatively new letter. Thus it is a different name and person altogether. Before j he was iesus and iesous in Latin and Greek which is from the Aramaic Yashua/Yeshua. Ultimately as the Abaryth/Hebrew Messiah, the Son of Daud/David, from the clan of Yahudah, he was born with the name Yahusha 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 which Declares that YAHUAH 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 Saves! “O Righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I Knew You, and these knew that You Sent Me. “And I have made Your Name Known to them, and shall make It Known, so that the Love with which You Loved Me might be in them, and I in them.” YAHUKḤANAN (JOHN) 17:25‭-‬26 𐤔𐤋𐤅𐤌!

[@pykemagno7125]

However, missing in that model is the description of Josephus about the southern slope portion bridge link from Titus’ Roman Fortress of Antonia (actually mistaken as the Temple Mount) that connects to the real “Temple of God” located in the Gihon Spring and on top of the City of David (now being excavated).

[@vercingetorix3414]

You know the actual location of the temple? How can you be so certain? While I suppose it is possible, virtually all of the existing evidence seems to contradict that hypothesis. You state a controversial and distinctly minority hypothesis as if it has been proven to be true.

[@korinhambrightwilliams4993]

Now I’m studying the mandieans Indian tribe in America because of the cross of Lorraine found in Indian paintings of the Iroquois confederation. I think they came from cypress,

[@mattcsorbay2617]

His disciples were all martyred, except for John. They could have denied Jesus and lived. They died because they knew He lived and that he was who He was who He said He was! The Son of God who came to save us !!!!

[@who6184]

Baruk Haba Bashem YAHUWAH RAPHA NISSI ELOHAI TSEVA’OTH!!!! Shalom Mishpacha.

[@1ntwndrboy198]

I think simka should go to the ancient town of lifta. And see who started the town originally.

[@Zerox_Prime]

Seems to be, may have been.... a Christian scribe?

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

If you're really interested in Jesus' historicity read Robert Eisenman's work. This documentary barely touches the surface. The key to the historicity is his brother James the Just.

[@navajyotichetia3211]

And the man from the faraway planet asked the alien in his own alien world " every god is supposed to do miracles to show their divinity, tell me what miracle did that god of yours do "

[@felvinperez957]

Does Jesus exists?.. Absolutely No. Evething is just a Caezar creation..

[@godlylife8726]

may i for what purpose?

[@diannerose8030]

Start talking about the sumarians, why are they so missing from history??

[@johncousins4665]

Who would seriously believe anything a roman said !

[@nicwilson89]

Why not?

[@sharons.3732]

It sounds like Josephus had a change of heart when he wrote again that Jesus is the Messiah. It's exactly what happens to people when they hear the Gospels. The Holy Spirit of God changes them. "Once was lost now I'm found.

[@Legendkiller99]

Hahahahahahaha he didn't write it

[@joemacdougall1127]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Madmen604]

There are three ways to cope with colonization.. 1, fight the enemy, like zealots 2. Deceive the enemy with some collaboration, like the Sanhedren and Josephus 3. Do not fight, do not collaborate, love thine enemy. The latter gets you killed every time, by one side of the other. So you must be prepared to sacrifice yourself as Jesus did.

[@nedwinning8071]

Simcha really lives up to his name

[@giuseppesavaglio8136]

I will concede all day long that a normal man/men may of been the basis for the Jesus character. But the Jesus as depicted in the bible...no way he existed. No scholar or historian worth his salt will attest to that. And not that i need them to tell me, but it helps in the credibility department. Theist's however, have their work load ahead of them trying to show the Jesus as depicted in the bible is even a plausible hypothesis. Good luck with that.

[@robertholt5773]

Ugh. Please stop click-baiting.

[@louminati4318]

If you live in esoteric circles you will know Messiah means crocodile. If you're going to believe anything you might as well go with the Annunaki.

[@luciouspyro9524]

Josephus commissioned by the Romans Vespasianius and Titus to write Judaic war history from the Romans' side and he did. History of the Roman conquest of Judea. There is no way he wrote the golden paragraph out of context out of the scope of his endeavor out of his beliefs. Besides the golden paragraph is absent from the earlier Slavonic text. The Christian scribe wasn't aware of its existence to add it as well. That doesn't mean the Jehosua bar Josef didn't exist but that he didn't share the proposed profile of the roman dictated and written by the Flavian's new testaments or at the time was an insignificant figure to be mentioned. Maybe this is the reason real Jehosua and his trial and crucifixion pages missing from the Roman Annals of the Judaic province although Romans were renowned bureaucrats.

[@jimbos1567]

I think the Roman Historian Tacitus mentions a man called Christos who had many followers.

[@Americandragonrider333.]

Are you really asking this!!!

[@LearnwithJanice]

Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸

[@jeffersonunico288]

Its just easy if there are archeology about pontious pilate then there will be jesus

[@makestraightthewayofthelor664]

1 Timothy chpt.1 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

[@wesleywarsmith1113]

Yes he existed. We have Roman accounts from several officers. Was he the Gods son and our Christ? - NO, he was the son of a blonde Roman centurian named PANTERA. Mary said he was divine to avoid being stoned to death.

[@Mikeatthenet]

In this video Parable video they try to state there is no sure proof of Jesus existance. In other video they try to prove they found Jesus grave....LoL. Obviously it cant all be true

[@devikakaul1494]

I am a Hindu but I smell mischief here!😂

[@Dominknows]

Aka luciferian

[@cleverfitz779]

Good morning everyone

[@2500-z3s]

Flavians wrote the new testament so I've heard 🤫🤔

[@jhoughjr1]

I saw a bit of that and in isolation it seems compelling but ultimately seems false

[@mevineven869]

We get a title if jesus was exist and show no proof but in the end yes there was by gospels who we doesn't even knoq the authors...i don't know this man in this documentary is an atheist both believer of sci fi characters

[@raminagrobis6112]

It is impossible to understand the history of early Christians, the genesis of the 4 Gospels, and most importantly, of Paul's writings, without having had an actual historical figure. Only amateurish historians question the basics of Josephus' story. The reference to a Messiah might have been apocryphal, but there is no objective reason to question the basic information. Instead of asking such clickbaitish questions, it makes far more sense to account for the historical facts of the most massive religious movement in history taking place in the first two centuries after Christ. Things just don't happen in a vacuum. I'm amazed at the weakness of pseudoscientific skeptics who dismiss historical events just to pursue a revengeful agenda. Many of them supposedly defend science whereas this is the least of their concern As the guy in Dragnet kept saying: "Only the facts, ma'am!"

[@lancelotlogan4908]

I see all kind of theory about christ yet no one can come to the truth about who christ was the Bible is the only written manual that connects us to God through christ but because of unbeilf person are scratching around for answers when it is all there in writing..

[@Adniram.]

I very much enjoy watching #NakedArchaeologist

[@M1ndfulJourney]

Zoroastrianism>Judaism>Orthodox>catholic>protestant>Islam. Same religion different culture 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Cherry-sg4zg]

Catholic , then comes orthodox in4th or 5th century.