Piers Morgans DESTROYS Vegan For Not Caring About ALL Animals' Rights

Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by animal rights activist and vegan Joey Carbstrong and celebrity chef John Mountain who decided to 'ban all vegans' from his restaurant to discuss John's decision and whether there is some legitimacy to Joey and others' claims that we should eat less meat for the planet and to help in the fight against animal cruelty.
John explains that after one vegan customer was rightfully upset with their service, he was bombarded by multiple one-star reviews from vegans due to some of the lack of non-meat options at his restaurant. Joey says that John should 'stop crying' over one review and instead focus on millions of animals that suffer cruelty.
Piers and Joey then descend into a heated debate over the treatment of animals and eating meat. Piers suggests that Joey doesn't care about millions of bees dying every year during the growth of almonds (a common substitute in vegan products such as milk) - but Joey believes that they are dying for other reasons so there is no need to focus on them.
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[@BenTheCuber]

Piers, when presented with a study, dismissed it as nothing and continued to interrupt Joey over and over. Why does he even invite vegans onto his show if he is just going to ignore everything they say and interrupt them constantly?

[@jonnybyrne989]

In this case he's pointing out your man's utter hypocrisy, if I showed up for school back in the day with one article to prove a point, my teacher would beat the shit out of me

[@1776_Garage]

Awe, you poor snowflake.

[@r_l966]

​@@jonnybyrne989a study from the US department of agriculture ,2020, lol . Stop capping , piers couldn't even address that study cause he knows he's wrong abt it lol

[@jonnybyrne989]

@@r_l966 a study from the department of agriculture from the u.s.a. about a restaurant in perth Australia 👍

[@r_l966]

@@jonnybyrne989 good lord , your comprehension skills are bad . No that wasn't a study abt a restaurant in Australia. That was a study about bees dying from the production of almonds , piers clearly states "90% of the almonds come from California " . What has a restaurant in Perth got to do with this ? Watch the whole video in 0.5x

[@ajpenny9613]

-Joey "would you rather drink urine than eat a plant based diet?" -Piers "absolutely"

[@Andrey-fx8mv]

In a desert without water. That's what Bear Grills does, not in the usual circumstances.

[@memberofthewatchercouncil1738]

Meanwhile the audiences chanting "DO IT, DO IT, DO IT"

[@user-kv4xt2oh3d]

@@memberofthewatchercouncil1738 😂😂😂

[@jess293]

It's not even urine, it's the equivalent of breast milk.

[@bebestfamily9181]

Why that statement even came out to?

[@vclll]

“I’ve defended the bees for years “. 😂😂😂

[@dionysusxyz]

Has a buzz to it

[@tokelaublue]

😂 I died when Piers said that 😆

[@user-qf9gn7bu7c]

😂😂

[@holadea5704]

Such a sarcastic comment, love it.

[@jack2626]

Hi love from Taiwan🇹🇼 3 years ago I just don’t understand Veganism/Animal Rights and think some protesters are to crazy(even now). I always get lost in those debates or fights😂 Then after watching “Dominion” (Narrated by Joaquin Phoenix and Sia) on KZbin everything turns out so clear I really suggest it if you have the same Confusions Just Love & Respect here🙌❤

[@TortangTalong5899]

Piers having the same argument again and again. When it's about Vegans, it's the bees and Avocados argument. And he just dismiss it when being shown with facts. I agreed on some of his arguments but this is not one of them.

[@DiverseMentality]

Piers Morgan lost this debate he didn't destroy anything lol.

[@zachattack9801]

Nah

[@markobrien4332]

Totally, just patronized his way out of it. Embarrasing.

[@jamieseekle2357]

Where's the part where Piers "destroys" the vegan?

[@dannyarcher6370]

In the title.

[@ninaainsbury813]

​@@dannyarcher6370😂😂😂

[@Paul-ts5qw]

The carrot muncher destroyed himself by getting too emotional and triggered.

[@r_l966]

​@@Paul-ts5qwpiers cudnt even address his study 😂 he literally had nothing on him other than trying to out shout him

[@mrcherrytits]

No one got destroyed in this interview. I'm not on either side with this argument, see both sides. Everyone always thinks they won. It's childish.

[@ZimiroPatrick-pg1hx]

"I've supported the bees for years"😂😂

[@deeptoot1453]

that killed me hahaha

[@Jeff-ni2sz]

Child stole a comment hoping it gets likes 😭🤡 straight up embarrassment to your family

[@Jeff-ni2sz]

@@project77977 9 days is what you had. Failed badly you have.

[@okman9684]

​@@Jeff-ni2szdon't worry your day will come to shine my boy

[@danielmorris6523]

"Animals don't feel pain in the same way and don't understand death" When in front of a vegan: "THE PLANTS ARE SCREAMING"

[@fortcastlevgn2368]

OH SHIIIIIIIET WELL SAID DAMMMM the contrast IS AMAZINGLY PUT in evidence,, fuck you gotta make a permanent picture meme and i want to save it (fkin yuotube wouldnt allow it here urgh

[@fortcastlevgn2368]

prob one of the best comments in here sooo fkin new i never heard that argument before on that subject

[@xXCybranXx]

„Joey when was the last time you laughed?“ „When you said bees are being murdered!“ 😂😂

[@fryingpantheist_]

It just shows how much attention he pays to his "guests", joey was actually laughing throughout the whole thing and good job too as that was holding him back from jumping over the desk and throttling him.

[@user-kr7pf7og3u]

He's quite hangry, isn't he?😂😂😂

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@user-kr7pf7og3u Piers? Yeah, all the cholesterol is gumming up the works, poor wee fella.

[@mspwizzard7256]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent not really, Piers has actually taken quite a ok position on this show compared to what he was like before. Objectively hes right. but you have an pre-formed opinion of him so will always say that.

[@personalcheeses8073]

⁠ That was fake laughter though it doesn’t count. Not like the belly laugh Joey gave me. 😂😂😂

[@popinontoast]

In what universe did Piers 'Destroy" Joey the vegan? I'm sorry but he lost...

[@illyaedwards7188]

Piers won that one easily.

[@drawnonmustache]

@@illyaedwards7188 nah

[@turtleman8968]

bro didnt you read the title?

[@r_l966]

​@@illyaedwards7188continuously saying "bee's get murdered" and not addressing the facts presented by joey. Lol , definitely

[@brentondean2094]

Joey being a vegan destroyed himself

[@polevanidr]

Every time Pieres talks about bees I'm thinking: "Ahhhh Not the beeeess.... Ahhhhh my eyes" 😂

[@donatasdilnikas8105]

But u have to admit it hes right i dont tlak avout little animals rats insects wich we killed

[@_abc_-]

Just as a reminder to everyone. He banned vegans after a SINGLE complaint. This is from Perthnow, one of the first outlets to talk to chef Mountain after the ban about that one complaint: It seems the restaurant took the woman’s complaint to heart. “As for vegans/ vegetarians being a very low minority, especially in the northern burbs’ I try to accommodate everyone else,” their response started. “Thanks for your negative review… please feel free to share your s**tty experience and I look forward to not seeing you again. How very childish. You and all your vegan mates can all go and enjoy your dishes in another venue. You are now banned.” Mountain, a journeyman chef who has worked with the likes of Marco Pierre White, said part of her complaint was justified, but it “just didn’t stop there.” “Look, I said I would accommodate her, and I didn’t... but she made the complaint personal.” This is the most offensive part I could find in her complaint: “I think it’s incredibly important nowadays that restaurants can accommodate everyone and to not be able to have actual plant-based meals shows your shortcomings as a chef." How horrific, what a bitch, right?

[@Burner01-my7vz]

Yes! Thank you. The first time there was any mention of the backlash,that I saw was in this video. No surprise but watching all the mental gymnastics and flat out denials has been frustrating .It has been good to see some non vegans speaking out,too. But seriously,how could you defend a meatflake like that who uses that as a profile pic!? As i said to someone below,using the corpse of a baby as a prop,whether to just wind up people who actually do have a moral compass or because he is genuinely not very psychologically stable,is in very poor taste,very disrespectful and morally repugnant.

[@SteversChed]

@@Burner01-my7vz You use animal products from the same animals that normal people eat. Not very morally consistent.

[@sambaines2]

I'm not a vegan but it sounds like the chef needs to learn to handle criticism better and Piers needs to learn what the word destroys means.

[@PunsaraSagarage]

American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations. U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported. Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end. Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.

[@GM-db4bv]

it's not "criticism", it's lunatic vegans mobbing on someone to hurt his business. Vegans are the worst.

[@kyusha5122]

i can tell he can definitely handle criticism, he's been a chef for 30 years. if the criticism is about the taste, the quality, the freshness of ingredients that are being used then its fine. but these toxic vegans are leaving nonsense comments/reviews about the restaurant.

[@sambaines2]

@@BobbyT-yj1cw What comments have led you to falsely believe me to be a vegan?

[@bereal6590]

@@sambaines2 Morgan is a shock jock, I've never met anyone who is vegetarian or vegan who Bangs on about their diet! It's always ppl like Morgan and meat eaters that go on about it. I'm vegetarian almost vegan and I didn't know about almonds. Now I do I don't eat any almonds anymore and I check origin or avocados. I'm sick of Morgan stoking wars

[@its_rick_james_bich2575]

I’m a meat eater and have sausages couple of times a week. Im not naive to what animals go through, but choose not to think about it. However when this vegan mentioned the pigs I actually looked up one of the many videos! The pigs are led on a conveyor belt and many already sense the danger of the gas chamber that takes in 2-3 pigs at a time. As they try to manoeuvre away from it..they are prodded in the ass with an cattle prod to force them inside. There was a camera inside the chamber too..and the screams are horrific..it’s not a quick death! All pork products are now off my menu! But it’s also made me think more about other meats too. Im just so used to eating meat I don’t know how I would make a transition to a purely vegetarian diet. But animals are used to make all sorts of products not just food. It’s made me think at least!

[@lewisfromspain2915]

And in nature when lions or tigers eat little deers or zebras or monkeys or whatever, do you think they sing them a lullaby or something so they don't scream or don't get stressed when they are slowly eaten and torn apart. Or when snakes eat little rabbits. Or when a shark or a crocodile tears apart and drowns their prey? What do you call that, a nice party? Do you want to put headphones to the pigs with nice music so they don't hear the other pigs being slaughtered... would it be ok to you then? Or should we teach the pigs to scream in a less horrific way so you don't get so offended? And I'm going to tell you a little secret and I hope you don't kill yourself after learning this terrible fact: Humans even kill other Humans!!!!!! and not just for eating purposes, sometimes just for territorial dominance, for vengeance, for pleasure, for money... I hope it doesn't shock you too much! be strong! NOW that should make you think at least!!!!!

[@its_rick_james_bich2575]

@@lewisfromspain2915 ok calm down..mr Lewis from Spain!! First off, I gave my viewpoint on something, and didn’t once lecture anyone else to stop eating meat! I’m well aware of how nature works you idiot! But human beings have more choices than a lion, a shark, or any other animal! Imagine going on rant that long and not having a point at the end of it!! I can imagine you get offended when people bring up the cruelty of bull fighting in Spain..and I bet your response is..”let me tell you a little secret..bulls hurt other animals too in the wild”🤦🏽‍♂️

[@l.k836]

@@lewisfromspain2915 what point are you trying to make?

[@pencilme1n]

Your thoughts, compassion and action are commendable.

[@jamesrodgers91]

That's ace you've seen the footage and taken steps to avoid the products you mention. Hats off to you mate 👌 I did the same thing around 4 years ago having watched land of hope and glory (available on KZbin) and went vegan straight off the bat. I would say take it slow and just change out meals a few times a week rather than going full vegan / vegetarian as you'll be so used to eating a certain way. Following pages like the save movement or activists like Earthling Ed as well as Joey Carbstrong will make the dietary decisions you make easier too. Hang in there and just try to be mindful of what goes into the production of the products you consume when next in the supermarket 👌

[@jayvonngilmette694]

30% of bees are killed to make almond milk 😂😂

[@savesavesave27u3---]

This was nor healthy debate ..it was 2 vs 1 and these two people were just trying to prove their wrong point by distractiong the other person that ur angry blah blah...it was really ridiculous..when u kill or slaughter animal then its not in ur personal sphere since somebody life is involved and that animal dint give permission to get slaughtered So learn to respect every living being on this earth including animals and huamans...and raise voice against wrong... vegans r raising voice against wrong

[@76ollie]

I'm not a vegan, and I agree with Piers on quite a few things. That being said, this was very poor debating with his only ammunition being one article from the guardian about bees. The chef accepted her booking then did not provide her with food - she was not some irate woman who turned up to a meat restaurant demanding to be fed. I would be pissed off too if I were her - she is not nuts for being irritated or leaving a bad review and frankly Joey has a point about killing animals in cruel ways where they suffer, and I do find posing with a dead piglet as a joke pretty distasteful. In many ancient cultures even when you killed an animal you respected it and tried to ensure as little pain as possible.

[@allandm]

Piers must know that there isn't a good argument to not be vegan, not if you say you are against animal cruelty... you either admit that u have no problem with harming and killing animals for taste pleasure or u try to come up with excuses maybe like 'bees! Bees! Bees!'

[@benbennemans]

Very mature and balanced response. Thank you for posting it.

[@clareeksteen7575]

Have to agree. Veganism is one debate Piers fails at miserably every time. Tired of the bee story already. I am not vegan either by the way.

[@turtleman8968]

whats guardian?

[@humantwotwentyone641]

I mean, restaurants really don't have to make whatever you want, especially if you don't tell them when you're coming? That woman is nuts. Piers is getting too annoying.

[@nojolie]

I’m not a vegan but Piers definately didnt “DESTORY” this vegan, piers is a little embarrassing here and has no idea what he’s talking about

[@majormind1584]

He didn't come with any good arguments and he didn't explore pest control which kills billions of animals potentially comparable to meat production (depends on source, they vary a lot) he just came with his avocado/bees rhetoric which we've heard plenty of times before, the guy he was debating with had much more to say

[@EugeneVerster]

you are wrong

[@kylepope6805]

I think Piers kids will have an earful ready for him for Sunday dinner, they seem to keep him somewhat grounded

[@juliankeren5731]

Piers is actually destroying himself-"do you love animal cruelty?" "Yeah",answering Piers..

[@majormind1584]

@@EugeneVerster No I'm not

[@BartMoss_Kollektive]

Piers Morgan saying he destroyed the guy Well let people be the judge of that

[@shanewah9980]

He did, the video already showed the actions and language.

[@TheGrayfrog100]

Notice the difference in the method of debate the two guests use. Calm and unfazed or Aggressive and Rude. If you want to change the world then talk to people, be polite, logical and at the very lest let the other person finish their sentence. The first step in any debate is to speak as much as you listen and listen as much as you speak.

[@goodthoughts4139]

So you believe piers is polite. Have not you seen how he embarrasses and bullies his guest. Eats meat hamburgers infront of vegan guests. Do you think piers morgan is very happy when joey calls him clown and lier. Bro dont make things up. Piers is literally destroyed and thats how you treat a bully.

[@maxsmum3561]

Piers, this is not your best work. You were out debated very soundly. Your guest was well prepared and I’m afraid that you weren’t. Quoting the guardian is like using Wikipedia in a bibliography.

[@AlexEMF]

I googled it. Piers is right about that. Vegans that say they care about animals are just a bunch of hypocrites.

[@fauzo]

U don’t win by being angry like a spoilt brat. Pierce and the chef able to maintain his composure and the vegan guest is not.

[@tinaleanne8230]

But quoting a publication from your opponent has merit. And did you notice that Joey did not deny it was true?

[@radiocorrective]

@@tinaleanne8230 Because he didn't have to. If you listen closely, you'll hear him explain how the honey industry is responsible for this exploitation and how the bees die from natural causes most of all, apart from 7%.

[@cultserpent4501]

@@tinaleanne8230 did you manage to listen to joey at all? cause what you said proves you didnt hear joeys answer, maybe piers interrupting him non stop was a good reason for you to not hear what joey said 🤣😂

[@Kadorale]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more misleading title. I feel bad for Piers if he seriously believes this is true. And if that’s the case, this reinforces the notion that Carnists are the ones who prefer to stay in the dark.

[@PunsaraSagarage]

American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations. U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported. Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end. Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.

[@dannyblanchflower1882]

Piers doesn't seriously believe this is true. He was unable to counter Joey's points and began using 'debate tactics' and misdirection. I barely watch Morgan nowadays but I'm glad I watched this. Any fair minded person knows he looked foolish here.

[@Crudecraig]

I would guarantee 99% of these vegans are pro choice also.

[@benwu7980]

@@PunsaraSagarage It was a strange debate, since those 70% of avocados are produced in Cali with imported bees and require a lot of water. Could correlate a lot of the wildfires there cause massive amount of animal deaths years with how the industry has preferential treatment. The study he quoted mentioned that only 6% of bees die from pesticides yearly.. I ain't sure on what exact study he was referring to, or why was not asked.

[@thehopelessnoob8705]

When he’s saying about the mites, I’m sure the mites wouldn’t spread and cause such a problem if those billions of bees weren’t grouped in one place, does he not know infestations spread 😂

[@ailanmcdonald6689]

As someone who worked as a beekeeper I can say that the impact of pollination on varroa levels was never noticeable. The fact of the matter is varroa gets out of hand when hives are not being checked on frequently, and during pollination we are constantly interacting with those hives and checking them.

[@dountoothers]

Destroyed? I think Piers got obliterated by Joey.

[@tgjurassic9229]

Not really cause joeys argument are so stupid. He calls the owner childish when the vegans are so ignorant and childish to 1 star review someone just because they don’t share their views of animals.

[@hntrl8880]

How so?

[@dountoothers]

What argument could justify the mass breading, torment and slaughter of farm animals for a reason that isn't necessary? It isn't hard to debate someone who argues for animal abuse. @@hntrl8880

[@dontknowwhattocallmyself.5144]

His point was bees don’t get murdered from one article. How does that prove his point? (except that he likes pigs more apparently)

[@dountoothers]

Because the claim that bee harm proves veganism is not valid is a logical fallacy -- the nirvana fallacy. You can also make a case that it's a strawman argument too, because the bee harm to which he's referring would not occur in a vegan world as bees would never be employed and exploited as laborers -- let alone killed. However, this whole thing is rather silly since, other than citing a vague article, Piers does not offer empirical evidence for this claim. Furthermore, if it were that case that bees were intentionally and avoidably harmed and exploited in the process of farming avocados and almonds there isn't a vegan alive who wouldn't be concerned. Finally, the example was given in bad faith since it's pretty obvious Piers doesn't give an actual fig. @@dontknowwhattocallmyself.5144

[@javierk2143]

"I've defended the bees for years!" Piers Morgan Never in my life I heard him talking about bees until now

[@STRIDwastaken]

he has defended them on multiple ocassions every single year

[@fullotto8704]

@@STRIDwastaken he only defends the bees when he's trying to make a point of proving a vegan wrong, kinda sad really

[@STRIDwastaken]

@@fullotto8704 so what are the vegans doing when talking about pigs in gas chambers?

[@fullotto8704]

@@STRIDwastaken i think vegans are trying to say that pigs are more sentient than bees, so the screaming coming from these gas chambers is a fear response from an animal that's smart enough to process suffering, a bit like in nazi Germany when they gassed the poor Jewish folks

[@robdee9341]

@@STRIDwastaken Is that a question or a statement ?

[@DecvsJapan]

Why does he think only vegans eat almonds?

[@Failp0p]

coz its apparent that u vegans like almonds so much, that u replace it from cows milk

[@assafshakked7988]

@@Failp0p as a vegan almond milk sucks. Oat and soy milks are much better

[@TessavandieKaap]

@@Failp0pwow. You don’t know much at all, do you?

[@KevinArantes]

@@Failp0p 2% of the world population is vegan. How much Almonds do you think we can consume? Same with avocados. What the hell is the bs argument lol

[@KILLEMALLTWICE]

@@TessavandieKaap vegan females tend to have bad smells, and chronic mud butt. That's what we know now...

[@colthagan3839]

Kenin Costner said it best " just how cute does a animal or other living thing have to be for these crazy people to care? "

[@bm.6349]

lambs are really cute and people still don't care

[@Babayaga_313]

​@bm.6349 Embryos are cute too, but vegans still don't care about them 😢

[@patientl7552]

@@bm.6349that’s because they taste good, have you ever tried lamb? Oh and if you’re a vegan just remember humans are omnivorous animals, like a decent chunk of mammals at the top of their species

[@shanewah9980]

@@patientl7552 They definitely haven't fer sure

[@lordplague3555]

I am gluten-intolerant and i went to a restaurant that had nothing I could eat. I just went out without any fuzz, not everyone needs to cater to you. There are thousands of restaurants.

[@thanasisgod8226]

I think the point was (from what I heard) that the woman contacted the chef in advance, twice, and while he said he would cater for her he ultimately overcharged her (30+$?) for a non substantial plate of some veggies. Isn't that underdelivering or even a broken promise? And then the deserved criticism she left lead to the ban of all Vegans. Yet, as Joey said, he didn't ban all fishers for his other bad review a fisher man left..

[@sanseb17]

That s adult behaviour, instead of boycotting a mans life work in case of this man’s restaurant. He s responsable for the family off his staff, for kids...I saw a piece of the physical attack on this man s restaurant was pure criminal behaviour

[@lordplague3555]

@@thanasisgod8226 Ah I missed that, if that is the case then that is just bad.

[@klausbinks]

He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.

[@klausbinks]

​@@thanasisgod8226 He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.

[@wayner9765]

You lost the argument today, Piers.

[@markmorris7123]

How??? That dude proved his point..Acted like an angry beta

[@amefibrasil6058]

As usual when talking to vegans! Meat consumption and animal exploitation are immoral and everybody knows it and uses irracional arguments to justify their cruelty!

[@erykmocko2072]

@@lilnikki9146imagine saying „not” at the end of a sentence. What a spastic - not surprised youre defending his side 😂😂

[@BDub2024]

No argument, he was just trying to antagonise the vegan to make a point that they are intolerant and angry. Joey got sucked in and was intolerant and angry. Didn't let the chef talk. But I agree I've seen better interviews.

[@AaronVets]

@@BDub2024 🤡

[@methuselahhoneysuckle3338]

I'm not a vegan, and I like Piers. But I feel like this "debate" was pretty one-sided. Joey tried to discuss an official U.S. statistical report and he was dismissed off-hand. Joey kept getting cut-off and his points weren't even discussed, they were just dismissed. This wasn't much of a debate.

[@halloweenville1]

Because Piers realises "There is no debate" These people are activists, plain and simple. No matter what reports they have, no matter what garb they speak, the moment you give them airtime, you have already proved them wrong withing 2 seconds. Piers has been doing this job for decades, he knows where the end result is before it starts. Please educate your namby pamby self out of your stupidity. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES. Deal with it, move on, no debate.

[@alexkaapa]

this is how debates about veganism very often are handled by non-vegans. and people wonder why we're so annoyed

[@bibekrayamajhi7529]

​@@alexkaapa why do you vegans feel entitled to go to a normal restaurants and get a vegan meal ?? the world has been eating animal meats for millennia's and suddenly a minor group called vegans got introduced 10, 15 years ago. why the fuck do you expect the world to understand you? you eat your plant in peace and let us eat our animal meat in peace. you do you but stop trying to force your agenda on others who doesn't want to be part of your craziness. LGTV group and Vegan group are the consequences of the internet and woke culture.

[@eucmike]

@@alexkaapa Stop pushing your Vegan view on people! We don't care!

[@lisajel52]

Joey got plenty of time to speak, even spoke over the other two quite often.

[@stevezodiac491]

Evidentally Veganism popularity is in the basement with vegan manufacturers and businesses going bust, left right and centre and the argument for a balanced diet is already won. Game over !

[@loveanimals969]

Calves are taken from their mothers to be slaughtered, when they are so young they cannot walk. What does that say about people? Piers Morgan? John Mountain?

[@luketurner4839]

Lol imagine naming your own video this, then preceeding to completely lose your argument for 12 minutes...

[@horsepower523]

You mad vegan? Seems that Piers was right, vegans are angry and bitter. Why is that I wonder?

[@Empathy4Animals411]

But bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered

[@tomtildesley3675]

Lol that vegan was such a tool

[@therandomguy1088]

Looks like vegan doesn’t care that they also kill animals to protect their ‘vegan’ food.

[@Pentrainst]

Shush. The vegan is correct piers is wrong like usual.

[@user-ne6pq8cw9q]

I'm a meat eater but the vegan man made Morgan look like a fool going on about bees but ignoring other animals being killed.

[@maxxdhaha]

go vegan

[@FullOnMetalHead1995]

​@@maxxdhahano, stop animal cruelty

[@daimaoza832]

@@FullOnMetalHead1995food is food nobody gives a fuck…

[@Luke73195]

@@maxxdhaha No, learn that killing animals is fundamental in nature. You don't really like nature otherwise.

[@ryan9166]

@@Luke73195 Breeding billions and billions of animals into existence every year, just to slaughter them at a mere fraction of their life span is not natural

[@RanjitSingh-em7lx]

Why does piers keep denying what he said about the bees? They are not killed by pollination, rather by mites. It is not against veganism to eat almonds and avocados.

[@sachinraghavan4556]

Carnists don't care about animals, they just try to ease their guilt and justify the oppression they fund. Vegans are aware that it's impossible to avoid killing all animals, but what matters is that we actively try to cut out each practice.

[@shawnboahene5231]

Why? And why stop at not eating animals? When building homes they kill tons of animals by displacing them are you against that? What happens if your home is infested with bugs and vermin do you champion their rights?

[@sachinraghavan4556]

@@shawnboahene5231 Of course we do, we prefer not to kill household pests, but would you rather all vegans be homeless? You have to be reasonable about this.

[@samhart4663]

get a grip ​@@sachinraghavan4556

[@meshen85]

Lol, I don't think this went how Piers thinks it went.

[@MrKanyeZ]

Oh it definitely did. The vegan was embarrassed

[@emmahowells8334]

The vegan got triggered, he didn't win lol, were you watching the video, piers and the chef were calm. When you get angry you automatically lose the argument lol. 😂

[@goat2503]

@@MrKanyeZ don’t think the vegan was embarrassed at all, he had scientific data supporting his claim, all Piers was able to quote was an article in a newspaper. Scientific data would generally take precedence over a newspaper article posted by a journalist in any other facet of life, so why would we take a newspaper article more seriously than a scientific published paper in this case? On the topic of bees, the vegan was actually correct, you can find the data yourself. And those bees come from the very industry in which vegans don’t support, the honey industry, which Piers does support. I’d be embarrassed if I was Piers on this one.

[@aparajita2023]

@@emmahowells8334 yeah obviously, any person would get angry when the host doesn't even let you finish your sentence and ignores the actual data which you are holding up on his face. Joey presented facts and all piers could do was scream "BEES!!!"

[@emmahowells8334]

@@aparajita2023 Yeah the same was happening to the chef, he didn't get angry tho. You do know that bees pollinate the flowers on fruit and vegetables which helps growth, so bees are just as important and that's what piers was putting across, ok not the best way to put that across, but never the less they're just as important, and still a living creature too and the vegan didn't think another living creature like bees were as important, only pigs and other animals we eat apparently, a life is a life is it not?.

[@Zeltik]

5:27 Great job Piers, if you don't like the facts that someone presents you with, just shout over them!

[@imho2278]

Why does he bother having guests?

[@HellBelle666]

From my perspective, it was the vegan gentleman that was shouting over everyone, throughout 😮

[@robdee9341]

@helenwilliams2431 That's because they weren't listening to him and not interested in actual facts..

[@davespanya]

Everybody non-vegan or normal will see that it's the vegan crazy guy that didn't let anybody speak. Stay in the dark! 😂🤣😂

[@CausallyExplained]

@@davespanya Looking at the comments here, even coming from piers fans and non-vegans. Doesn't seem that way, mate. You sound delusional af.

[@balla2172]

It wasn't one bad review. It was thousands of people doing bad reviews intentionally trying to ruin his business

[@beheumband5758]

Good

[@David-kx7tz]

No. I’m pretty sure he got one bad review, banned all vegans and then was bombarded after the ban.

[@bm.6349]

good. and at the end of the day he's still alive. the pigs are not alive and well because of him. the stress he might be feeling is nothing compared to the horror pigs go through.

[@HolySoopCoolers]

⁠eat a pork chop.

[@Charlie08079]

It was ONE bad review and rightfully so. Do meat eaters have a habit of pretending to play the victim everywhere?

[@murdogg]

Does piers really think he destroyed joey? Joey easily 2vs1'd and got the arguments on his side while you tried to make him stop talking because you know hes right😂

[@charliejb1747]

Hahaha no, he didn't. Piers knows Piers is right. Plants scream, too. So do bees.

[@FutureAbe]

DO PIERSON..??

[@murdogg]

@@FutureAbe sry princess english is not my native language, but i will change it for you ❤️

[@JK-jj9ko]

200% every time joey makes a point with facts, piers keeps interrupting

[@FutureAbe]

@@murdogg that’ll be $60.

[@matthewsands3591]

Talking over someone is not destroying them

[@tinaleanne8230]

EXACTLY, Joey should shut up and listen to the argument: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

@@tinaleanne8230 Because killing the pig is 100% essential to eating their corpse. Killing bees is not. Vegans do not live on avocados and almonds, vegans might not even eat them at all. Animal abusers eat almonds and avocados too so it's not even a vegan problem is it. Insects might get squashed by me walking to work. Should I stay indoors forever? You and Piers are ridiculous. Same level of intellect that's for sure.

[@alexk2967]

​@@tinaleanne8230if killing bees is wrong, then why isn't killing pigs wrong?

[@ponnamy]

@@alexk2967 A valid question,

[@avinashtyagi2]

​@@tinaleanne8230Vegans aren't killing bees, lol Parasites such as Mites are, lol

[@anterolgac5367]

Swear Piers is gonna turn me into a vegan ffs hahahahahaah

[@eduardoarty1228]

Nobody cares I eat a pound of meat every day sometimes almost 2 on my days off and I’ve been doing that since I’m 6 years old come from butchers family the more vegans better prices for meat 🥩

[@csho6512]

Wouldn't changing because his opinion, make you weak, and easily swayed into things?

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

@@eduardoarty1228 Wrong, because the more vegans the less the government will likely subsidise the costs that keep meat prices down. Vegans will no longer be accept taxes to subsidize animal exploitation. .

[@EVLP98]

Go ahead and eat quinoa. More steak for the rest of us.

[@anterolgac5367]

@@csho6512 bro I'm being ironic here, I'll never turn vegan for my own reasons. I was just trying to say that Piers couldn't even formulate 1 convincing argument in this debate

[@MrYesira]

Whether you agree or disagree with veganism. It’s fairly obvious piers had done little to no research about veganism. Using bees as an argument is stupid.

[@a.hoctavius5848]

Piers made himself look like a fool. He is the one going mad here.

[@Urko2005]

That Joey made himself look a militant fool for most people i think you will find.

[@byankaree91]

Vegans are literally insufferable! The guy complaining was in a gang and after he left it. He joined the vegan cult and still admitted to dreaming of killing humans and babies. What a psycho!

[@jakesabean]

@@AlexAlex-yf7yw he doesn’t eat it because he disagrees with it morally so obviously he’s going to advocate for people to do the same. If you disagreed with slavery in the 1700s would you have simply not bought a slave or would you have advocated for other people to also not keep slaves? It’s called being morally consistent

[@jesusantoniobravohonorato1844]

​@@jakesabean Exactly on point!

[@amefibrasil6058]

Joey is the best! He was respectful and presented reference to what his said, while Piers was rude and repeated his lies in a loud tone.

[@Aaloshh]

I’m far from a vegan I eat more like dr paul saladino but I gotta say Piers and the other gentleman didn’t win this debate.

[@emmahowells8334]

Who was angry and triggered, wasn't piers or the chef, I'd say the vegan lost lol. 😂

[@ClosedEyeVisualisations]

@@emmahowells8334 Yeah most people would be angry too if they were being cut off when they are providing evidence. He got spoken over during each point he made. Triggered is something people say too frequently, must be a tik tok thing or something, because its far overused, its more of an insult if anything because its rarely used appropriately anymore. And no im not a vegan AT ALL. I just understand his point and im sick of the mental left and right to everything, all things are nuanced. And there is an issue of suffering here to eventually be significantly addressed.

[@michiel4686]

No one won this tbh

[@PauIdenino]

@@emmahowells8334 Appeal to emotion

[@Ahmedahmed-mi8dr]

Joey was lying about the bees killing thing. Sadly it's true that millions of bees die during the process and it's kind of hypocrisy to deny facts like this.

[@Chrisfragger1]

Q: "Why'd the Vegan cross the road?" A: "To tell you they are a vegan, and to beat you up if you aren't also a vegan."

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Q: Why did the carnist cross the road? A: To tell this joke to the vegan and then get all offended when the vegan makes intelligent arguments against flesh and secretion consumption.

[@Chrisfragger1]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Actually most people are Omnivores, lol... You're joke is boring.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@Chrisfragger1 Says the one that told the most unoriginal, overused joke of the last decade 🤦‍♀️ Omnivores are carnists.

[@Chrisfragger1]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Well, I've never really heard the made up term Carnist... I have heard the scientific term, Carnivore, which means to subsist off meat... I would assume that Carnist, coming from the word Carnivore, that it means a diet of meat only or the vast majority of your diet consists of meat products. I am not such a person, lol. I suggest you grow up, and maybe lay off the emotes? Makes you look like a 5th grader.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​​@@Chrisfragger1Lol, ah yes, insecurity leading to the use of insults and personal remarks...the true sign of immaturity. The term carnist was first used by a psychologist to describe the invisible belief system, or ideology, that conditions people to eat certain animals. Essentially what allows them to remain hypocritical. Instead of just assuming things, look them up. There's enough misinformation in this world. 😉

[@danielstevenson9593]

I’m confused so this man told his customer that he would accommodate them. Waited until they entered his establishment to spend their money then said that he wouldn’t? I believe the customer was entitled to leave a bad review.🤷‍♂️

[@rimantasri4578]

As of my understanding the vegan customer asked when it is possible for the kitchen to make something vegan, but he/she actually came there (intentionally) on the day when the restaurant was not able to fulfill this wish.

[@danielstevenson9593]

@@rimantasri4578 that would make sense I could see why he would be upset then .

[@matthewcooper4248]

Except he said they change the menu every day, so if he didn't get notice that she was coming out wasn't his fault. Plus the point is she left one bad review so the veganazis swarmed like sharks to a frenzy and bombed him witg negative reviews that were ubwarranted since they hadn't been there.

[@dil3762]

Joey won this debate, you can see how Piers is trying to hide his anger and annoyance but his face speaks volumes. Turning to fake laughter to try to win is very immature.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Nobody won this debate, they all behaved like twats. The vegan didn't win, he wasn't even doing particularly well here. He lost it immediately, very agitated, very hotheaded, which completely invalidated anything he had to say. Not that anyone would get a chance to hear what exactly he had to say, as Piers is doing his usual "I'm going to talk over everyone and not let them finish" shtick that demonstrates what his show is really all about: manufacturing drama so more viewers tune in. And the restaurant owner came across as a bit oversensitive and petty. Although, if what he says is true, that he got review bombed over this one negative experience, I kinda understand where he's coming from. But he did behave kind of immature during this interview. Also, you mention Piers' fake laughter. Which I hadn't even noticed, but perhaps that's because I've been desensitised to it on account of this being the third time I see this guy "debate". But Joey was doing the same, so yeah...

[@EugeneVerster]

nope

[@dil3762]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees I understand what you mean but Joey was the only one who brought evidence and was trying to have a debate on a subject that piers constantly brings up when debating vegans. When someone actually finally answered the question Piers completely ignored it and kept quoting an article that clearly was misleading. Piers does not like vegan activists and he doesn’t care what you have to say if that is who you are, no matter how evidence based what they say is. For a person who constantly criticizes people for being hypocrites he sure does a poor job proving he is not. The evidence was in his face and he ignored it.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

@@dil3762 I don't think it's possible to have an actual debate with Piers, TBH. So if I were Joey, I would have politely declined. Nothing good could've come out of it anyway. That said, they all acted like children here. Joey included. Even if he was, as you rightfully point out, the only one who at least had the foresight to come prepared with documentation to support their case. At least he put in the effort, I'll give him that.

[@KernowFay]

No he didn't. Couldn't even control himself. And won't listen to others.

[@goat2503]

Piers is entirely incorrect here, he was not prepared to look at the scientific factual data, but rather quote a newspaper article that he would love to cling to in order to support his ludicrous argument.

[@Innocence44]

he's just another mouth piece troll

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

He doesn't even like the Guardian , he really is pathetic.

[@MoreBrush]

Vegans are out in force lol

[@taynitram]

quoting a newspaper article , just like all those vegans and people on the left. its dispicable what piers is doing

[@blitty6048]

Doesnt change the fact that vegans are bitter and hateful and off putting almost every time ive ever met one

[@tylerj7298]

I just read the report Joey had, it's 1000% correct. Piers just hates to lose. Bees die from the pesticides not from the making of almonds.

[@MG-qf9gx]

It’s the literally same thing lol? The use of Pesticides on the flowering tree is what kills the bees… Piers was not wrong

[@zfi3142]

Did you read what piers Said? 50 billion bees died to make almond milk.

[@tylerj7298]

@@zfi3142 that’s not true.

[@losnamerales3403]

Vegans still do more damage with avocados though 😂 and I've always known this as I grew up eating them to know they are not native to the UK and are imported via plane, vegans seem to love them though and won't ever denounce them for the damage they do from the sharp increase of western world vegans consumption of them, vegans talk about animal cruelty but never do the rest of the math, like how even if we freed all the animals and all turned vegan we basically will end up having to kill animals for no reason but control their numbers and the negative impact that huge influx of uncontrolled wild breeding and the rotting animal carcuses everywhere would have

[@NasalChain]

Vegan has no idea how many bees, grasshoppers, caterpillars had died to grow just their tomatoes..

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Carnists have no idea how many bees, grasshoppers, and caterpillars that have to die to feed the 80 billion land animals that are slaughtered each year. 🤦‍♀️

[@Stevejerico]

Piers, you did not destroy this vegan as the title falsely states. I’m a meat eater, and this was embarrassing to watch. It just got to a point where you were using your bullying tactics to speak over the guest. This isn’t a debate. This is one sided. And a final msg to Piers and the team… You’re not fooling me with this rubbish.

[@silvrr2]

He's show is always like this why do we still watch 😂

[@csho6512]

The guest was a hypocrite former gang member who had only a piece of paper they kept glossing about, they kept repeating the same thing over and over again with anger, talking over people. Go figure an ex gang member wants to influence people with anger, and people all to willing to eat it up.

[@Baillie.]

@@silvrr2cause he’s a legend

[@silvrr2]

@@Baillie. What's a legend? If it's Piers then he ruins the title, Legend.

[@Saaa604]

Being a vegan is one of the kindest things a person can do.. for the animals, the planet, and the body. I became a vegan because I was against animal cruelty and the needless violence we inflict upon animals for completely unnecessary reasons such as taste pleasure. I couldn't justify it. You are able to recognise Pires's completely disingenuous behaviour and bullying , and that he can't defend eating meat other than stating that he 'loves meat', whilst watching a clip of pigs being gas chambered for his bacon. There are no logical arguments against veganism. You seem like a reasonable person, I would urge anyone to consider going vegan, not for people, nor for me, but for the animals.

[@alexinhoMelius]

Wrong title there. It literally happened the opposite.

[@ruiiziinhoo]

Factos 👍🏻

[@MrKanyeZ]

What???😂😂😂

[@dumbo701]

i will say piers or that restaurant guy had awful arguments but that other bloke destroyed himself by being a complete asshat who wouldn't shut up

[@emmahowells8334]

Who's getting triggered and angry, it wasn't piers or the chef, so I say the vegan lost by getting angry.

[@ruiiziinhoo]

@@emmahowells8334 It was 2 vs 1 and Joey still won this. Whoever thinks otherwise is just wrong, pure facts

[@bttawfiq]

I agree with this statement 100% "Vegans are always angry" If i learned one thing about debating, if you are being loud and aggressive in your discussions, you know deep inside that you're wrong!

[@annemiller8227]

I almost find myself praying for the apocalypse bc almost EVERYTHING we worry about rn would absolutely disappear. Genders and vegans couldn't survive in a post apocalypse world

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Lol, how do you figure? In a post apocalyptic world, the 80 billion animals we slaughter each year wouldn't be slaughtered. Livestock now represents 62% of all mammals on Earth. Wild life is 4%. You'd have 8 billion people fighting for those 4%. How long do you think they would last. What a stupid comment. Also, quit being a f'g bigot.

[@davidshawe]

Not a chance. Change this title. I did not like Joey until I watched him handle himself very well on your show.

[@sausageman4706]

Handle himself well? Bloke was having a tantrum the entire time. Bringing up the past is considered "handled well" nowadays lol fair enough

[@Gronkiy]

​@@sausageman4706he handled himself pretty well considering Piers just dismissed plain facts

[@laaaah4577]

@@sausageman4706you’re a grown man, get off the internet and go to bed 🤦🏻‍♀️😅 so cringe

[@turtleman8968]

joey was a gang memeber with a loaded shotgun doing drivebyes how can you trust thig man on anything?

[@r_l966]

​@@turtleman896810 years ago. Ppl change , stop being judgemental lol

[@imnotcomminghome8110]

I’m sorry piers but your debating sounds like the kind of debates my little brother used to have with my mom about eating sweets 💀😂

[@neilduarte1986]

If your mother is debating your little brother, then your mother needs help lol

[@Empathy4Animals411]

But bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered. What, you didn't find that to be a brilliant argument?

[@Zanne11]

Agreed! Incredibly immature.

[@joshpettersen5560]

Sweets are delicious like meat. Reasonable debate Id say....

[@cultserpent4501]

​@@joshpettersen5560 FINALLY found someone to agree with! Thats what im saying to them bro! I 100% agree with you. I always say : if human meat is so delicious, what is there to debate about bro? I wanna eat human meat, why are you all trying to debate me for it? Meat is delicious but when it comes to human, dog and cat meat ITS GLORIOUS, so why are they all trying to debate me that its morally wrong to eat human meat? There are is no morals and ethics when it comes to what you eat, wear, do in your daily life. If something tastes delicious you eat it, if something look gorgeous you wear it, if some girl is sexy on the street you grab her and r*ape her, whats all about that "not being moral" boring stuff that these people talk about right? Im so happy we both agree on that!

[@bryanlance1769]

In as much as Piers is an interviewer you gotta give your visitors a chance to talk instead of punching down the guys. i think all his interviews are just him telling the other party his opinion regardless of what they are trying to say or explain

[@leflopjames5628]

You sound Hangry. Have a burger.

[@dhadad9885]

Actually Piers got destroyed himself

[@ragulmadhavan4736]

Lol typical vegan kiddo😂😂😂😂😂.... Everyone can clearly see how angry and immature Joey's argument was.

[@ia3739]

Joey is actually smashing this debate! This title is the perfect clickbate for advocating the vegan message.

[@LombreChannel]

Joey can’t hack any opinion bar his own, hence him blocking me on Facebook after a question

[@glennbishopthepunchdeckpro]

Apparently vegans like to ignore the thousands of insects and animals that are killed, or as vegans say- murdered, when land is cleared to grow crops that they buy at the supermarket. And the thousands of animals and insects that are killed with farm equipment every harvest season due to crop deaths.

[@jamesfagan136]

@@glennbishopthepunchdeckpro Apparently you never considered the fact that every farm animal you have ever eaten had had to be fed plants up until the time they were slaughtered. Being vegan greatly reduces crop deaths because it reduced the amount of crops needed. Or to put it simply - Vegans may eat more plants directly, but more plants are used in any non-vegan diet.

[@glennbishopthepunchdeckpro]

@@jamesfagan136 Laughing out loud... Apparently you never considered that all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves. And the history of humans, that humans have been killing, and hunting, and cooking meat since at least the stone age, and farm animals are fed the parts of plants that humans "won't eat". And apparently you and every other vegan will never consider that all plants feel pain, and there is science that backs this up. However no vegan will admit it, but using my amazing powers of prediction, I see science proving it, as science improves over the years. I do not buy into the vegan propaganda bible.

[@tidegoesin_tidegoesout]

Avocadoing the vegan message

[@aiyshaupal6326]

I wish Morgan would let his guests finish their arguments before presenting his.

[@ageorgiev89]

To be fair his guests usually have terrible arguments or just factually untrue. If you look most of his interviews he let a lot of them finish their arguments

[@Ray-vx9vy]

Thats the point... Big braindead Piers doesnt have any valid arguments, so he just shouts the same point over and over whilst dismissing hardened evidence if the face of debate. Childish and unprofessional behaviour.

[@nay.sen20]

@@ageorgiev89 those who disagree with piers, he doesn't let them speak.

[@ageorgiev89]

@nay.sen20 if you listen closely you will see that they ignore his questions

[@nay.sen20]

@@ageorgiev89 Which question in this video was ignored? Piers asked a question & when Joey started to reply, he kept interrupting. Not even willing to listen & understand.

[@acemorandarte8267]

Can we protest on vegan restaurants??? For not serving meat.. if fhey are acting stupid, why cant we?

[@Burner01-my7vz]

You don't really think that Tash and the other protesters were there just because they banned vegans do you?

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@Burner01-my7vz Lol, carnists are hilarious...😂

[@Burner01-my7vz]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Yep, gotta laugh,its just too messed up to do otherwise!

[@Canadiansupermodel]

I wish Piers wouldn’t keep cutting Joey off. I wanted to hear more about what Joey had to say. What humans do to pigs is really f’d up if you think about it. 😢

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Thank you for your compassionate response. It's really sad what we put the animals through. If you're interested in Canadian practices (BC here), the Inspections Canada website lays out how they slaughter our livestock. Sadly, gas chambers are here as well.

[@jaybeanzx]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent I like your username

[@ObiePaddles]

We had a bee company that pollinated avocados and billions did not die. And last time I looked more meat eaters eat avocados and almonds than vegans do.

[@pizzamozzarella8639]

perhaps because meat eaters are a much larger group than vegans and also the bee dying argument does not apply to meat eaters because they dont attempt to act on a moral compass when it comes to eating food

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

@@pizzamozzarella8639 Are you against animal cruelty?

[@BDub2024]

Vegans are in absolute minority, so of course 99% of the population eat more avocados and almonds.

[@BDub2024]

He made a valid comment on avocados and almonds. But Piers was doing it mainly to get the vegan guy on the wrong foot. It kinds of work because the vegan acted like a twit screaming while frantically waving a sheet. A poor advertisement for veganism for sure. I wanted to hear from the chef though.

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

@@BDub2024 the chef who says that is against animal cruelty while having a profile photo with a dead pig? Is that the chef you meant? And what exactly did you wanna hear from someone like that?

[@Picture_That_With_A_Kodak]

This discrimination is accepted? But apply that theory to other cultures and it wouldnt be allowed. Shocking

[@JustA60]

Muslims for example don't roast pig shops for not being halal, they just don't eat there.

[@JohnDuppleingham]

Bwhahaha being vegan isn't like being black. You can't poise this as discrimination. If he doesn't want to cook you plant food, he doesn't have to and that's his right. Entitled clowns like you nowadays never fail to make me laugh.

[@ADAMkeyWEST7]

What discrimination and by who??

[@mspwizzard7256]

I have something that you might notve heard about but its very discriminatory to anyone who likes meat, theyre called all-vegan restaraunts

[@m3talh3ad18]

​@@mspwizzard7256 false. all vegan restaurants don't discriminate anyone.

[@xavierpowell5238]

Ian even gonna lie when the chief held up that pig painting I started dying🤣🤣

[@kfc136]

i’m not even vegan but piers and that chef were insufferable in this interview

[@PerryPlatt]

All three of them were, goodness. That was hard to watch. 😂

[@charliesmith_]

Boring as f.

[@lewisfromspain2915]

And how about the insufferable vegan trying to show a video of a pig being slaughtered?

[@Poetessa2]

100% He acted really badly, I've never seen him talk over someone this much and just refuse to let a guest speak. Not impressed!

[@imnotcomminghome8110]

Imagine thinking you actually DESTROYED someone by such poor a poor argument

[@EugeneVerster]

lol you clearly dont understand, the vegan twit lost the minute he lost his cool and made ad hominem attacks, you must be vegan

[@reskie0009]

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[@efkagamescomputers6886]

He just didn’t respond to him properly.

[@BDub2024]

Its all entertainment you know. His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. This vegan didn't even have the brains to let the other guy talk, so he won't get invited back. Its good to have whackos on, but if they're smart they give their views and let others give their views. Otherwise, it makes poor TV.

[@Cooil1]

It's not a poor argument... Piers just mentioned the bees. If you go talk to a farmer with an orchard, you will find that they kill alot more than just a few bees.

[@JacintaGib]

I pay that "debate" to Joey via technical knockout. Well done, mate. Also, if you ever want to know what Piers Morgan's kryptonite is, mention Meghan Markle. At least then you have a chance of winning the debate.

[@DAVE57571]

Piers got his arse kicked severely and made a fool of himself.

[@hongliu8459]

I spy a hangry vegan

[@wirarifqy8677]

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GOT DESTROYED HERE

[@alexbenjii]

How ..he basically exposed the hypocrisy of Vegans , they don't give a shi about insects ..they kill mosquitos and cockroaches but talk about animal cruelty

[@justsomeguywithoutamustach7088]

Delusional aren't you

[@nicolaspirlet]

Pierce: Bees get murdered. Bees get murdered. Bees get murdered. Chef: vegans are quick to throw the term murder around 🤡

[@jawsjaws4018]

He was saying bees get murdered because the whole point of vegan arguments is that animals get murdered which they say is wrong but yet doesn't matter when it's other smaller beings for vegans food. Piers was pointing out the hypocrosy by saying bees get murdered. That's obvious to anyone and an easy point to understand, but obviously not for you! How are you this stuipid?

[@moe5201]

hes pointing out the irony

[@robdee9341]

Chef "I'm 100% against animal cruelty" But he pays other people to be cruel to animals !!!!

[@joeycmichael3206]

The only reason Piers was saying it was to point out the hypocrisy of vegans, not because he actually thinks bees are "murdered" he was just using the vegans slogan against them. They claim killing an animal is murder. following that logic then they are all mass murderers as well.

[@tazuk01]

Vegan hypocrites

[@undergrace1808]

I’m vegan, and I don’t eat avocados, honey, or almonds. Next.

[@shubhamlele5395]

you are not every vegan are you big girl?

[@JogiNayak]

Not a vegan or a vegetarian but the meat eaters in this debate were embarrassing. It was not even a debate. Just unnecessary hatred. The vegan guy actually made sense and tried to state facts.

[@Chrisfragger1]

Mass Flagging a man's restaurant for serving meat is also mean... What goes around, comes around.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@Chrisfragger1The restaurant didn't get flagged until the chef banned vegans. You're exactly right, Karma's a bitch.

[@Chrisfragger1]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Oh sure, I believe you, right. Not the man telling his story, you... A random annoying nutball on KZbin.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@Chrisfragger1 Again, if you just took two minutes to actually look it up. Its literally printed in every article. But you'd rather remain ignorant and biased. Again, typical carnist mentality.

[@fallenangelo6049]

I think Piers actually got destroyed in this one

[@Idkchangethislater]

Bloody guy disproved statistics by saying " I read it in the guardian " what type of logic is that ?

[@robinhood6143]

he did

[@dumbo701]

@@Idkchangethislater bro surely you cant be this stupid, you can bend statistics however you want. ignore relevant areas that are critical to the truth etc.. jesus people in this day and age will believe just about anything 😅

[@illyaedwards7188]

Piers won this one easily.

[@user-ti9hp4je9i]

@@Idkchangethislaterthe irony is clearly lost on you…

[@Didier-cu6cb]

"I'm against animal cruelty" most hypocritical thing I've heard in years.

[@BDub2024]

His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. For many thousands of years people have eaten animals while treating them as pets and with kindness. They don't believe in animal cruelty either. We all know that people CAN have different views. Values DO change over time. We can have different views and be tolerant. Not like the vegan guy that kept screaming over everyone. Remember this is entertainment!!!

[@Didier-cu6cb]

@@interesant7 Do you mean Piers Morgan yeah ?

[@BDub2024]

@@interesant7 Vegans are in the most absolute minority. No doubt Piers wanted some light entertainment from the funny farm.

[@okaynope5197]

@@BDub2024 You should know then that the only way you get a word in edge wise on this show is to speak over the man who is speaking over you. So if Joey was docile this would somehow have gone better for him? Get real. Hilarious to call Joey the intolerant one. How is fighting to protect animals anything other than being tolerant???? Try tolerant toward other species. It's only intolerant if your definition of intolerance is someone being passionate about something you disagree with. You want people to just roll over and speak kindly when they disagree with you, and on the Piers Morgan show of all places. And it's not "kindness" to cut a pigs throat when you have the option to eat something else. Plain and simple.

[@TenTempeh]

​@@BDub2024is it entertainment to you to talk about mass murder of sentient beings? Plain simple.

[@ubansode]

You don't have to eat avacado to be a vegan.

[@zacsborntorunrunningadvent3441]

Pierce Trying to justify bee deaths when the bulk die in the honey industry is ridiculous. The chef cant handle 1 womans fish complaint. Geez

[@JackieG717]

Wouldn’t call this destroyed, vegan dude held up fine

[@turtleman8968]

nah bees tho

[@hakz795]

You must be as nuts as he is to come to such an absurd conclusion

[@DailyWireThirdStringer]

​@@turtleman8968 Bees have a very rudimentary nervous system, and therefore we can be virtually certain that they do not suffer _nearly_ as much as a pig or a cow, even when they number in the billions. And most "meat-eaters" still enjoy almond or avacado-based products from time to time anyway.

[@kb4432]

Piers should have asked about him about the widespread consumption of vegan meat alternatives. They are ultra processed and are among the most unhealthiest things currently being eaten by vegans

[@1776_Garage]

No, he threw a fit like a child.

[@hitman262]

Cmon piers you can’t compare the guardian to long term studies

[@mrSam3ooo]

😂

[@tinaleanne8230]

Quoting a publication from your opponent has merit. And did you notice that Joey did not deny it was true? The long term study did not break it down to this level. One study of the overall cause of death of bees does not dismiss *THE FACT* of the number of bees killed to pollinate almonds [don't know about avocados]. This point trying to be made was: If you do not eat pigs because they are killed, why do you eat almonds because bees are killed to grow them.

[@gurumage9555]

@@tinaleanne8230 Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic and unnecessary, as a source of nutrient. Spraying pesticides on farms is necessary but not intrinsic to eating plant food. Also, the publication was not "from the opponent", so the merit you're talking about is non existent. What matters more is the actual primary source info which Joey used that simply debunks piers Morgan BS arguments.

[@tinaleanne8230]

@@gurumage9555 The publication is is a vegan publication so if you are vegan then it can be refereed to as 'your publication' in an argument where you could counter that you do not follow/believe that publication but he did not do that. So, you are conceding that killing animals for food is OK. I am not going to use your poor sentence structure against you but you stated: "Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic as a source of nutrient" which is exactly opposite of you stance. It was not debunked, it was ignored. The fact is that the killing of the bees are *known and planned* collateral damage in the commercial farming of the almonds. You will forever lose the debate unless you acknowledge that the killing of animals is required to feed the world. The next phase of the debate is that who decides what animals are OK to be killed. Be careful to not fall into the debate trap of only the ugly animals or not so smart animals can be killed. Debating is a science that requires careful thought. I will concede that the resources used to breed today's animal produce far exceeds the resources needed to produce a plant based diet. Here is an argument I use (there is no answer and is a debate trap): The beef and chicken in my freezer resulted in the creation of a life. Would it be better that the multitudes of animal life that has been created and is being created never had the opportunity of life?

[@gurumage9555]

@@tinaleanne8230 For someone who roleplays as a debate expert your capicity for logical and critical thinking seems lacking. Firstly "vegan publication" isn't really a thing. Besides there is no authoritative source in which the vegan movement base its views on. It is not a religion. What matters here is the science and scientific publications, which clearly sides with vegans on a whole host of issues. Secondly pointing out that animal agriculture as we practice intrinsically requires the death and slaughtering of billions of sentient beings doesn't in any way go against my vegan philosphy. I'm just stating the nature of farming animals. And to answer your question. There is no moral obligation/imperative to create life, but there is moral obligation not to treat sentient beings inhumanely. Creating life in of itself has no value on its own, and creating life only to be subjected to cruel and inhumane treatment is anything but an "opportunity"

[@mikeycbd]

For several years now I have been following the science around bees and what we can do to help. Like planting Sun Flowers and other flowers / weeds in our garden etc. Anyway ... I saw a documentary about bees and almonds in California. You're 100% right about the bees. Humans don't need to eat almonds and I certainly don't eat them as part of my Keto lifestyle. After the Almonds and Avocados you speak of what about the amount of tinned produce that vegans eat... no pollution making tinned products eh.

[@Mandalorian92]

Some of us do. I can't have dairy, soy, or oat milk because of my stomach, so I stick with almond milk. I've seen other milk alternatives, but they can be around double the price, and it doesn't fit in my budget.

[@cookiewild]

I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.

[@cookiewild]

I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.

[@cookiewild]

I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.

[@cookiewild]

I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.

[@michaelfilippone3669]

He didnt ban them because of a bad review. He banned them because they stormed his restaurant and harassed his customers.

[@ajsaces5211]

Exactly. Hopefully he opens up on the east coast. I'll be going. In support no vegetables at all will be consumed

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

No, he'd already banned them the second he recieved the one review from the upset customer.... What happened after the fact was fallout from chef banning an entire community for one critism his ego couldn't handle. It's actually in his initial response to the customer before the reviews came in or activist showed up. Nice try, confirmation BIAS at it's finest!

[@Daggar97]

Calls it "childish behavior" but he can not get his point across without yelling or having tears in his eyes. Hmm

[@Burner01-my7vz]

Yes,piers is somewhat frustrating .

[@wirarifqy8677]

PIERS, YOU JUST LOST TO A VEGAN LOL

[@Aitch2020]

He's lost many times before. Got booted out of cnn and America for being a BSing pompous toff git

[@allandm]

He didn't lose harder because he is always constantly interrupting, there's no good argument against veganism apart from 'i dont care about harming animals for my own taste pleasure'. He doesn't want to say that so he just shouts 'bees bees bees' cuz there's literally nothing else he could think of

[@zachattack9801]

Nah

[@pepperpig649]

Piers sold his soul for money and attention and does not care for the outcome of the debate intellectually. He literally does it on purpose because I know he is not that dumb.

[@Aitch2020]

@@pepperpig649 I agree. He's become a master bullshitter. He's obviously on the payroll of the royal family and maybe MI5. He is so one sided regarding the Russian Ukraine war. It seems like he's a propaganda machine for whoever slips him money.

[@claireadamson4138]

Piers Morgan lies more times in this interview than Meghan Markle did in her Oprah interview. He also seems to think that vegans only eat almonds and avocados and that non-vegans never eat avocados and almonds.

[@brandonvladovic4194]

Where did he lie? And he never said vegans ONLY eat avocados and almonds, and that meat eaters don't are you an idiot? Did we even watch the same video? He's using it as an example. My god..

[@Luke73195]

No, he's stating the hypocrisy of it. It is a fact that large amounts of bees are killed in almond and avocado agriculture. Vegans eat almonds and avocados, yet they state that they never harm animals when bees are killed in their food production.

[@willacheson5682]

Non-vegans never said their diet doesn’t involve the slaughtering of animals so your point makes no sense

[@ashlaw4392]

Can't stand his interview technique but it wouldn't matter I'd non vegans ate those as they aren't the ones complaining about animals cruelty or save the planet. Reduce emissions etc.

[@casual35]

What was the lie?

[@filipbriggs1263]

Joey handled himself beautifully, definitely destoryed piers

[@RadicalW0lf]

Looking like a crazy dude is handling himself beautifully? lmao.

[@justsomeguywithoutamustach7088]

Use your head for once you goofy vegan bro didn't even say anything truthful or Factual he just sat there crying and yelling over the actual facts being said and resorted to slandering then proceeded to say it's childish when he acted like a child who didn't get his way instead of conducting himself as a mature adult in q debate.

[@filipbriggs1263]

@@RadicalW0lf he provided only facts and data, while two little boys threw a hissy fit, im eating steak as I type this, but in terms of overall argument, joey definitely handled his own here

[@RadicalW0lf]

@@filipbriggs1263 Lmao, what facts? that he doesn't want to recognize vegans kill a lot of animals too? gimme a break. He started yelling like a psycho.

[@Austinlikesicepopsticle]

Joey acted like a dipshit ngl, he never admitted some info piers said that was true

[@arnella3087]

6:50 Joey wanted to say ''you're a clown'' 😂😂

[@mixedmartialnutrition1746]

joey ex gangster turd strong is the king of clowns

[@pattykake7195]

Check out the abominable way they gas pigs to death. Many are injured and trampled being crammed into the gondolas and scream in fear and pain whilst being gassed …it’s absolutely disgusting …🤬.

[@rick_d8325]

awww poor you

[@allandm]

I don't understand how people have the audacity to claim to be against animal cruelty if they pay for that

[@bigbroccoli269]

@@rick_d8325bet you can't watch dominion without covering your eyes

[@stephenwilby1179]

I would put vegans in a lion den and let them tell them about almonds and lentils

[@andyholt2316]

But I still love bacon, and I will continue to eat it. And every other meat. 🥩🥓🍔🍕🌭🍖🍗🍤

[@andrewpeters3105]

All he did was speak over him the whole time. He didn’t “destroy” anybody.

[@muhammadalieesaa3379]

Who Piers or Joey?

[@andrewpeters3105]

@@muhammadalieesaa3379 piers was talking over Joey the whole time. Regardless of whether you agree with them or not, what’s the point of having a guest on if you’re not going to let them speak.

[@theveni12345]

He destroyed himself tho

[@HMeditz72]

4:42 his vein was legit about to pop lol

[@user-bp6oo6uy4c]

@@andrewpeters3105 its a matter of respect m8 if i have a guest and keep interrupting me what would you do?

[@oofogman420oo2]

Does he not realize when they spray pesticides on their vegetables that its a gas chamber for anything in its path

[@SteversChed]

He does, he chooses to pretend such things don't exist for his narrative.

[@gaggymott9159]

Chef Marco Pierre White said that 'Chefs/Restaurant Owners are nothing more than shop keepers, business people' This is fundamentally true. If the Chef from Fyre wants to ban vegans, people with brown hair, guys with blue eyes, whatever..IT'S HIS PREROGATIVE....Get the vegans OTF! 😂😂😂

[@seaofroses8888]

Bro, let your guests speak 😂

[@Pakinov]

You can't loose if you don't let the other guy speak. He knows if he doesn't do this he will get destroyed

[@codysample6884]

They speak nonsense though lmao 😂

[@Vermin82]

Even if you're vegan, you don't want this turd to speak for you. How desperate are you people?

[@SophieD981]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

[@lewisfromspain2915]

You'll never win because people will continue eating meat and enjoyining it, it's so f_cking tasty!!! mmmmhhh!!!

[@Totenkopfstyler3000]

Then they eat a steak

[@PauIdenino]

Then they die of heart disease

[@alexfen14]

@@PauIdenino then they die of malnutrition

[@PauIdenino]

@@alexfen14 Yup

[@freudianslippers6567]

Oh dear, it's like talking to a wall with that Piers guy, a wall who shouts over people.

[@SteversChed]

Yeah it works like that on the Piers Morgan Show when he is right.

[@HighPhilosophy]

These types always hold contradictory ideas like a chiken egg has personhood, but a human en vitro doesn't.

[@arrayofwayz]

veganism isn't about never killing or causing harm, it's about taking every action a person is able to take to stop exploitation and cruelty to animals

[@Picture_That_With_A_Kodak]

👏

[@ianramage1593]

People are omnivores. We are apex predators. Have any vegans watched video of hyenas or lions bringing down gazelles? Cattle in North America die in a much more humane manner than animals in the wild. I have no problem with vegans choosing for themselves what they eat. They need to afford the rest of us the same courtesy. They need to get off their sanctimonius high horses.

[@lewisfromspain2915]

I've seen vegans causing harm in some restaurants and you are being cruel to yourself if you don't allow yourself to eat meat. The result is just another hungry angry vegan that thinks he's better than everybody else. And normal people don't care about vegans and their stupid claims.

[@JonathonKirkbride]

Including not eating almonds and avocados.

[@baobhansith5377]

Bruh they forget that plant is also living being

[@speak_your_truth.]

Go Joey, Piers always goes back to almond milk and do you eat avacado questions. He's so limited.

[@tinaleanne8230]

You all missed that actual argument and it is simple: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?

[@Empathy4Animals411]

@@tinaleanne8230 Um, you missed the part where Joey proved vegans have NOTHING to do with "murdering bees" and while Piers does with his eating honey AND dead bodies of animals.

[@glennbishopthepunchdeckpro]

Apparently vegans like to ignore the thousands of insects and animals that are killed, or as vegans say- murdered, when land is cleared to grow crops that they buy at the supermarket. And the thousands of animals and insects that are killed with farm equipment every harvest season due to crop deaths. Science proved years ago that all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves.

[@tinaleanne8230]

@@glennbishopthepunchdeckpro Give it up, the vegans have been trying the bash me all day because I made similar comments. Apparently it is only certain animals that have rights. Kinda like the BLM. One actually tried to claim that a pig is like a 3 year old human so I asked that if intelligence is the deciding factor then why they don't eat fish.

[@tinaleanne8230]

@@jameshewitt8971 Well Mr. Hewitt, no animals other than humans can be murdered because the legal definition of 'murder' only applies to human beings. For your education: Commercial almond growers contract bee keepers to pollinate the almond trees. Once the pollination is determined to be completed, they spray insecticide to kill insects that are harmful to the trees BEFORE all the bees are gone. So, the bees are known collateral dead only for the farming of almonds. If to be vegan is against the killing of animals then why do vegans eat almonds or any agriculture that may use insecticide to kill animal life? *THAT* is the argument that none of you can comprehend.

[@HashInfo]

Pigs are gased in chambers an scream to death 😢that breaks my heart

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

The gas only renders them unconscious. Their throats are slit thereafter...hopefully before they wake up but not always. Please go vegan.

[@imperatorbaydonious3666]

Wait until you see the evil in the rest of the world softcock.

[@Bear-Cohiba-1966]

They don’t

[@ohhellno8759]

GG

[@micahmorton]

Prove it. @@Bear-Cohiba-1966

[@kimn9802]

I love almonds and on the surface they seem like an eco friendly alternative to some animal based products. The sad truth is they come at a huge cost to the environment from the excess groundwater usage and pesticides needed to grow them. Whole ecosystems are being destroyed. A single almond needs approximately 12 litres of water to grow. We all love cotton as well, but it's another crop that's water hungry and needs vast amounts of pesticides to remain viable.

[@Burner01-my7vz]

You are right almonds do take a lot of water,however all plant milks are more environmentally friendly than cows milk,including almond milk. The website "Our world in data" is used as a teaching resource at Harvard, Oxford, MIT etc and has a huge amount of info on the impacts of food choices on the planet. Pertinent to the above comment is the page titled "Dairy vs. plant-based milk: what are the environmental impacts" which has a breakdown of the effects of a range of milks on climate change across Land use,Greenhouse gas emissions, Freshwater use and Eutrophication. All the research shows that dairy overwhelmingly exceeds the others, including soy and almond. Also a plant based diet in no way requires almonds in any form. And,most importantly plant milks do not involve the hideous rights violations and cruelty that all animal products require. Have a look at Dominion,a documentary that came out in 2018,or even just the trailer Dominion we will rise, it's under 5 minutes. They will give you a good idea of what you are responsible for if you buy any products that are animal based, who pays the true price and how.

[@laurameszaros9547]

I definitely don't think Piers Morgan destroyed Joey Carbstrong here. In fact, Morgan was very much on the back foot. Carbstrong gave him a real run for his money, such as Morgan isn't used to having dished out to him.

[@reinoutburgers4225]

Carbstrong did not once answer a questions..that does not make him strong rather obnoxious

[@akbirmingham6604]

You are a vegan 😂😂😂

[@Reeeeves]

@@akbirmingham6604Go listen to more of Tate, simp. Perhaps he will eventually start selling a book to you snowflakes on how to grow a pair.

[@RadicalW0lf]

Only crazy vegans think that

[@yuuji8642]

Nice one vegan