The Heart of Agents of SHIELD: Why Fitz-Simmons Steals the Show

[@PillarofGarbage]

This video's topic was suggested by longtime supporter and fellow creator Adam Myers (www.youtube.com/@adammyers7383) - and why not check out his latest video essay! You might recognise a familiar voice :) Help pick topics yourself with a Patreon membership: www.patreon.com/pillarofgarbage

[@StellarAvenger]

Marvel seriously needs to bring them back. They're making the Netflix shows canon, but these characters are just as important. AOS ushered in this era of Marvel television

[@mariannedarrow7227]

It would be amazing to bring them back.

[@Icybubba]

Well Daredevil had direct tie-ins and references to AoS so

[@Craigy2818]

Ian said he wouldn't return, if asked. He prefers to do smaller things.

[@Swenglish]

They could bring back Simmons, but they'd have a hard time bringing back Fitz. Iain said he's happy with how Fitz's story ended and doesn't want to mess with it (which could be taken literally or as a nice way of saying he's spent enough years playing the same character and just wants to move on), and I don't get the vibe that he's in it for the fame/money.

[@thevikingbear2343]

​​@@Craigy2818 So did Hugh Jackman and look who is co-leading Deadpool 3...

[@dionysisnance4204]

Fitz Literally traveled through space and time for his woman.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

yes, isn't that cool. I wonder if coupled so that now or would, in this day and age?

[@jackmakila3776]

My boy became became a superspy for like a whole season for her

[@Retro_Red]

Thrice, actually.

[@cornonjacobdotcom]

And she did the exact same for him

[@mimmikyute]

Not to mention he had to confront a very real alt version of himself; then literally fuckin died

[@MTV2O2O]

I love how Fitz kept insisting that they were “cursed” in the show--despite the fact that being Agents of SHIELD always kinda came with the risk of supernatural dangers in the first place 😂….except for when they all got sent to the future in Season 5, at that point all of them were cursed.

[@jackmakila3776]

They definitely were cursed after season one

[@starartemis]

im pretty sure he only said it once and jemma just kept making fun of him for it 😂

[@TheAzul_Indigo]

Agents of shield shares something in common with all my favorite series, the overarching plot is less important than the characters and their development. I love to see how far they come and how deep their cuts go.

[@Icybubba]

I think the best way to describe the writing is, the characters drive the plot, the plot doesn't drive the characters.....most of the time anyhow. Everything especially season 3 and beyond is a direct consequence of the decisions the characters made. Ward decided to kill Price which leads to Coulson killing Ward, which leads to Hive being able to escape in Ward's body, which leads to Radcliffe being picked up by SHIELD and Lincoln's death, which leads to Radcliffe and Fitz creating LMDs to prevent another Lincoln from happening, which leads to the framework, and leads to an LMD shooting Talbot, which leads to Talbot almost destroying the Earth in order to protect it etc etc etc

[@A2HV3RSE]

You just summoned the AOS fandom in 10 words or less

[@PillarofGarbage]

spread the word 🗣️

[@suezcontours6653]

​@@PillarofGarbage It's funny you're doing this video now when Brett Dalton (Grant Ward) is acting on a show where he's a cop I absolutely don't trust because he betrayed the team on Agents of Shield.

[@RainbowMan9407]

This show might genuinely be my favorite of all time. It really makes me wish that the current MCU was more like this, focusing more on the emotion rather than the powers. The powers are cool, but the reason they meant something was because of the characters they were attached to.

[@sm42941]

the episode where they were in the mind prison together was amazing

[@defrostedrobot77]

Honestly, thought that one was disappointing. They pretty much completely ignored this Fitz finding out what happened to Daisy and even putting that aside they rushed through the issues FitzSimmons needed to sort out in one episode when it should have taken more time.

[@lukeford9803]

@@defrostedrobot77tbf there budget was slimmmmm for what they needed to do

[@sm42941]

@@defrostedrobot77 what happened to daisy? i watched it years ago i dont remember what exactly youre talking about haha

[@defrostedrobot77]

@@lukeford9803 I wouldn't really say the budget is where my issues with the episode lie tho.

[@defrostedrobot77]

@@sm42941 Daisy got the inhibitor ripped out by Fitz and he justified it and then Simmons committed mutiny to release Fitz from confinement.

[@Lunictd]

A great reminder of why Agents of SHIELD was the hidden gem of Marvel's MCU series. The whole relationship was great with both of them being amazing and while all AoS characters are lovely FitzSimmons are the highlight. Thank you for your great video!

[@princessjello]

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SANDWICH YESSSSS

[@samrameker2753]

They are my favorite fictional couple of all time and it’s not remotely close

[@benwasserman8223]

For all the love people give the Marvel Netflix shows, Agents of SHIELD actually MAINTAINED its quality over seven seasons (or at least post-Winter Soldier twist). Daredevil and Jessica Jones had stellar first seasons but none of the other shows ever matched up to that quality afterward. Maybe Daredevil season 3, but that's it.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

I have to say I personally didn't care for seasons 3 and 4 all that much, they felt a little lost to me, but that's all I can really say negatively about them. But also my favourite of the Defenders shows was Iron Fist and apparently that makes me stupid and bad so 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

I utterly love Iron Fist. Thank you.@@Jane-oz7pp

[@defrostedrobot77]

I'd say S1 was alright and S2-4 were good stuff but S5-7 were kinda bad.

[@iraford5788]

​@@Jane-oz7ppseason 4 of AOS is some of the best comic book television from the last decade and even to this day imo.

[@yellowjoe_]

YOU'RE KIDDING, the level of excitement I got from seeing the title alone!! Two of my most treasured and loved characters I cannot wait to watch this video! + Bonus points because it was uploaded on my birthday

[@PillarofGarbage]

Happy birthday!

[@yellowjoe_]

@@PillarofGarbage Thank you so much! 😁🥳

[@rhylin26]

Can we eventually get a video about Enoch. I loved his addition to the show. His ending was perfect.

[@krisztianunpronounceable]

I second that!

[@defrostedrobot77]

Enoch got majorly screwed by the narrative I think. poor guy.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

His ending was truly... heartwarming and heart wrenching. He would protect his friends without a second of hesitation. It was also one of the best time loop episodes I've seen

[@defrostedrobot77]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 It was a decent enough episode but the whole thing where they couldn't stop Enoch over so many loops was pretty ridiculous. Like Daisy should have been able to stop him with her powers (killing him would have been harsh but he would have come back in the next loop).

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

"I have taken bold action" is one of my favourite lines from the show.

[@lacrartezorok4975]

The Agents of Hydra arc could have been called "Everybody loves Fitz." They not only had two women fighting for him, also two father figures.

[@SonnyBear5]

I used to watch Agents of Shield all the time. Imagine if Marvel actually incorporated the story into the main movies

[@PillarofGarbage]

we can dream 😔

[@suezcontours6653]

​@@PillarofGarbageI feel like they initially wanted THIS kind of relationship between Barry Allen and Iris West in The Flash. Before the debuted the pilot episode they had interviews where Candice Patton claimed Iris West was in a forensics part of a Fringe division that processes Metahuman irregularities with Barry. I guess they thought she was too cool to pass for a scientist.

[@k1988smith]

The setup AOS did for the Inhumans was so perfect and could have been an amazing addition to the franchise!

[@FlavieFreedom]

This is the video I didn't know I needed. Thank you for reading my mind, Pillars of Garbage. You are doing the god's work.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

So happy to see one of the best comic shows get the love it deserves. FitzSimmons are easily some of the best characters in the entire MCU.

[@kassiescott8303]

I WAS LITERALLY THINKING ABOUT THEM LAST NIGHT NO WAY!!! God Pillar it’s like you reached into my brain

[@PillarofGarbage]

I am an inhuman with the genetic ability to predict viewer desires and produce banger videos

[@kassiescott8303]

@@PillarofGarbage they are always bangers 😌

[@ZeeB...]

I just said the same thing 😅

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

If Carol Danvers approaches you and she's acting differently, don't talk. She will start a Civil War 2.@@PillarofGarbage

[@looneyluna96]

Agents of SHIELD video, LET'S FREAKING GO!!!!!!!

[@troymilanharrison2023]

YES! Iain De Caestecker and Elizabeth Henstridge are two of my favourite actors. Also, Fitz couldn’t be canon to the MCU because he’d make Tony Stark and Reed Richards look brainless

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Also, AI was banned after Ultron and it wasn't in the Marvel Studios stuff.

[@randomeditor247]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 Actually, the AI ban is mentioned in season four when Fitz is talking to Radcliffe about Aida. Radcliffe went on to explain that Aida wasn't AI but a robot that only mimicked human behavior. I think she only became more like AI after Radcliffe was corrupted by the Darkhold.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

I had written a big long explanation about all this, but let me just say that the AI ban in the context of the MCU was a good idea. Also, more importantly, I wasn't asking when the quote was said, the issue is worldbuilding and consistency, not when the quote was said. (Fitz keeps up with laws in these fields because he's a science person and needs to know; it's consistent with his character to know this, and worry about breaking it and he would, rightfully, be in a big sulk if they repealed it, more so after the Framework and definitely at any point after Ultron because he cares about people being alive. There is no reason for any lawmakers in the MCU to repeal the AI ban, however. Tony Stark wouldn't want to break the law and get arrested because then the government could seize all his money and stuff he built his life around. The consistency in internal logic is the important part.) There was no evidence of this in the movies because the writers didn't need to think about the implications of events, whereas Agents of SHIELD, the more grounded show, made to demonstrate to power of the expanded universe, did There has continued to be no evidence of the AI ban in the MCU movies for example: Loki series 2, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange 2, and most importantly, in movies directly after Age of Ultron. Therefore, the Occam's Razor means that it didn't happen in the MCU, and therefore Fitz couldn't exist there because the lawmakers actually made sensible decisions in his universe, and didn't in the MCU.@@randomeditor247 There, that's three points, less nuance, and over 20 thousand words shorter. Just what you wanted, right?

[@ZeeB...]

I was literally just thinking about them yesterday, i always like them on th tv show. The only thing i had a minor issue was is Fizz and Simmons werent really fighters like Daisy, May, and others. During season 4-7 weve gotten to see more from these two and how badass they are in their own rights.

[@TheGoldenAlchemist86]

Fine I’ll rewatch agents of shield 😌

[@Deltabolster]

i know they said this show isnt canon to the current MCU timelien and to that i gotta say, GOOD. the timeline agents of shield is on is the only sacred timelinei care about. and if this show isnt cannon then NOTHING is

[@Craigy2818]

The Netflix shows are, now, officially canon. There were leakers who said they would begin to implement Agents of SHIELD references into the MCU but this was before they reshuffled things. Quake is still expected to appear in Armor Wars and Shang-Chi 2, though - hence, why Chloe met with Simu Liu. This isn't the first time discussions occurred years before a project. Ryan had been wanting Taylor Swift in a new Deadpool movie, since he was in her music video for 'You Need to Calm Down'.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

I agree. You know, I MISS THOSE agents. I know supposedly they went on to other things. And, all those actors are a bit older. But I miss the characters. I think that those characters on the show WERE A LOT MORE interesting than many of the Marvel stories, MOvies and shows in 2022-2024!! I miss Quake and I miss the superfast spanish lady [mexico ?] Foreigners and people in Latino lands can have heroes also. There was so much potential to that show. I loved it when Skye [Quake ] ran into Ghost Rider....yeah!

[@tecpaocelotl]

I liked them. A lot of emotion through the series.

[@ppmm8769]

I just finished rewatching the series a week ago, thanks for your video!!

[@aidanchilders9043]

Remember that their proposal came when she slashed the throat of the alien overlord who was enslaving her while he was gunning down guards John Wick style with a tranq gun and then jumping into an alien gladiator pit with her while Matrix shooting the forcefield controls to trap everyone else in the box so she could propose to him (based female proposal) without interruption. Your OTP could never.

[@MovieTvDrama]

4,722 Hours is my fave episode of Agents of Shield, the best episode for me.

[@silentsigher]

I truly hope that Fitz and Simmons are at MIT and other colleges around the world recruiting new Shield agents. Can you imagine Ned and MJ going to class and it's Fitz or Simmons teaching

[@FrumiousMing8]

They were my favorites from the jump. I really love Daisy, I've been a longtime Coulson fan, and Ward is such a fascinating character but Fitzsimmons has the sauce. I love that their story is fraught with external issues and they never have contrived interpersonal drama. I was watching as the show aired and it truly felt like they were being kept apart for so agonizingly long. Their dynamic and their stories were truly the highlight of the show for me.

[@chronisi]

Im happy im not the only one who thought these two were the best part of the show

[@BaithNa]

AoS season 4 is the best season of television Marvel or DC have ever produced

[@PillarofGarbage]

I can never figure out what I like best between AoS S4, Daredevil S1 & 3 and Jessica Jones S1

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Legends of Tomorrow is also there. And the other cancelled DC.

[@defrostedrobot77]

AOS S3 was better I'd say.

[@MrTrueFury]

Always love seeing this show get talked about

[@dogbreathTK]

i fucking love fitzsimmons

[@TheAdamSplitter]

Great video PoG!! Very glad I suggested this one.

[@jasoncox4338]

"I've done the math."

[@Arob4343]

What I remember as the best episode, on first viewing, was the episode where LMD infiltrated and we don’t know if Fitz or Simmons is the LMD, at first. That tension was amazing, and Fitz-Simmons was incredible in it. And Daisy quaking Jemma to prove, to each other, that they’re real is an awesome bit. So yeah, Fitz-Simmons are the best

[@ArcaJ]

I like the running gag of Fitz, never being able to finish a meal, in the first season.

[@theodore9668]

This was such a great topic to cover

[@Spidey-Mo]

Yesssss, put some respect on Fitz-Simmons! And Iain… Such a PHENOMENAL actor. He played Fitz and the character’s nuances so perfectly!

[@yasminfan3100]

I love this sooo much. You nailed it! And the fact that this was posted years from its ending gives me hope that their characters may rise again somehow in some form even though I know Iain already turned down reprising his role in the future but all we can ever do is hope. Fitzsimmons fan can also be resilient like Fitzsimmons themselves!

[@SalAvenueNJ]

Jemma was the driving force in season seven.

[@AndrewBehm]

More proof towards my theory that Over the Hedge was never real...

[@PillarofGarbage]

one day the truth will come out…

[@Jothsaa]

I love AoS and FitzSimmons so much!

[@Simon-bv3zo]

Love the agents of shield videos

[@survivalofthefunkiest]

Fine, I’ll rewatch agents of shield

[@survivalofthefunkiest]

Just finished. I need these characters to return

[@cthellis]

I need Fitz-Simmons in almost everything.

[@mariannedarrow7227]

I absolutely loved Agents of Shield

[@MatthewKKwan122]

Really hope agent of shield are canon to mcu

[@jakob1658]

OMG I need to watch AoS again (for the fourth time) ❤

[@ashlagerche8739]

You are one of the few youtubers who still cover AOS and i love you so much for it - AOS is criminally underrated

[@LicencetoMeme]

Imagine being a Cloak and Dagger fan...

[@aidanchilders9043]

Never have I felt as vindicated for subscribing to you as I did when I saw a new upload with the GOAT television couple of the 2010s, and quite possibly the GOAT couple of the entire MCU.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

It was interesting how Agents of Shield (Marvel) was airing parallel to The Flash (DC) and both had "one guy, one girl science side characters" and it was fun how they all started similarly, but ended in different places. (Fitz&Simmons for Shield and Cisco&Caitlin for Flash.)

[@mmem4264]

I loved FitzSimmons. I'm still bummed Fitz was barely in the final season.

[@akshaytrayner1960]

Great vid

[@Jane-oz7pp]

When episodes didn't have enough FitzSimmons for me I tuned out lmfao

[@paulbrown9328]

Really no love for the other characters. I love fitsimmons but I don’t think they are the focal point or best. I think it’s the family dynamic between our main agents that drive the show. Whether it’s FitzSimmons, CoulsonDaisy, CoulsonMay, FitzMack, DaisyMack, DaisySimmons, etc.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Yes

[@Krytos13]

putting your thumb on the scale for over the hedge I see!!! ;)

[@PillarofGarbage]

Ngl at one point OtH was in the lead and I (re)watched the film & made a bunch of promising notes I don’t want that effort to go to waste 😭

[@madnessarcade7447]

6:41 3 top tier episodes

[@ThePonderer]

Ngl, I was never able to finish agents of shield after series 5 lost me, but Fitzsimmons were always the highlight.

[@defrostedrobot77]

I'd honestly say the handling of FitzSimmons is a large part of the downfall of the show in the later seasons. They were being toxic jerks and the show never seriously held them to the fire for that.

[@LicencetoMeme]

Yeah, season 5 was really lackluster ; but season 6 was better (not as great as 1-4, but still), and 7 nicely wrapped things up ; on top of being basically Doctor Who with the S.H.I.E.L.D., which instantly made it the best season of the show!

[@statickaeder29]

Fitz-Simmons are the people that we care about most in all of Shield. May and Coulson are second... but second.

[@defrostedrobot77]

Skye/Daisy/Quake say hi

[@ppmm8769]

Please do more AoS videos

[@PillarofGarbage]

There’s 2 videos on my channel (partially) on AoS already - here’s a link to the playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLsf-M5Ux6kmWy7nI3B7ueYvPzUYn0QVn6&si=LGLCDGIhmu8vL8MX Nothing else planned for now, but who knows!

[@lukeyznaga7627]

Not trying to brownose or patronize, but, sir...PILLARS OF GARBAGE...i have been to a LOT OF fan sci fi sites, channels and pages. YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW who takes time to talk about this. Its important, because people don't understand HOW WELL WRITTEN and produced that series was. They were the background regular agents/normal people, as you say behind the supeheroes. Without their work or them, the superheroes would not have the intel or the knowledge of completing some of their projects or fighting evil. You might say they are the "janitors" behind the scenes. You have good insight inot Cinema and story and plot. I WISH YOU WERE one of the writers of Disney shows and movies, but you are not.

[@madnessarcade7447]

Season 6 is when we start to see more of Gemma’s darker side emerge

[@Solstice261]

Man I forgot about this show, what a throwback, agents of shield is unironically one of my favourite marvel properties

[@katemccarthy7531]

The ending to this video was so beautiful it made me cry. I love fitzsimmons

[@JonathanSladkoTV]

Absolutely loved this. More Agents of Shield Content please! :D

[@Hession0Drasha]

It's rare that characters get deconstructed, as much as they are in agents of shield. Or even that are as self reflective and consistent as they are in agents of shield. There are very very few instances, of characters not behaving how the normally do, to push the plot onwards, like you get in cw superhero shows. They don't write themselves into corners, for the sake of spectical, or keeping character on after their stories a finished, changing and warping them, just so the actor can stick around for their paycheck.

[@StormsofPeril]

Yes, do over the garden wall! Also, I want more aos to focus on different characters!

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

Numbers of Recommendation recommends Liking, Commenting & Subscribing.

[@gracebrown3074]

Sometimes when people say Agents of Shield all my mind hears is Fitzsimmons 😂😂😂 They really are the heart of the show!

[@taptapzip7633]

plz make more agents of shields vids!!!!!

[@LaureDuff]

Marvel is generally not exactly great in writing good romantic relationships that have proper development in my opinion (which, granted, is probably also due to the fact that there isn't quiet enough time for that between world ending scenarios within a 2h movie) but these two are THE exception. Honesty one of my favorite couples in all of fiction and that even though I was massively annoyed with the "socially incapable, inexperienced nerds that need saving and are mainly there for comedic relief"-thing they did in the first part of the first season. AOS deserves much more love and recognition in general and Fitz-Simmons does too.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

I realized in the latter seasons that I really missed when Daisy was funny. Like, she was still occasionally funny in the later seasons but it really toned it down to make room for her being either broody or badass, and it often times felt like a completely different character. I suppose the same is true for everyone in the show though.

[@kivimik]

It's true that every member of the team was put through the ringer, and Daisy certainly went through some difficult stuff. However, after she put the "Destroyer of Worlds" behind her, her humor seemed to return to some degree in seasons 6 and 7.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

@@kivimik I stopped watching the show after the first episode of season 6... Killing off Coulson for real and then immediately bringing in evil alternate universe Coulson onto the show was just aggravating.

[@kivimik]

@YumLemmingKebabs Fair enough if that bothered you. Season 6 was uneven but still had its share of strong episodes.

[@sampettit4500]

Even though other characters take much of the spotlight like Daisy in season 2, FitzSimmons keep the show on its toes. With all the trauma and some questionable character choices from villains, the show keeps walking and kept going until the very end. Without them the show would be less interesting since it draws the humanity of Marvel away. With Fitz and Simmons, they’re romance and decision making are what make the show entertaining to watch and give the show the good writing and humanity it needs to develop the characters.

[@madnessarcade7447]

“Weaker” lmao s6 was still phenomenal

[@lop90ful1]

Soo accute Agents of SHIELD is so underrated and i gotta agree Fitz-Simmons is peak

[@skyrule]

lovely video essay

[@Icybubba]

You should consider doing a video about Daisy. If there's one thing those writers on the show loved to do, it was bully FitzSimmons and Daisy lol

[@vitanpatel2061]

They are honestly too op for regular MCU, unfortunately. And I am absolutely fine with their great ending. But i get why others might want them back

[@BradsPitts.]

S tier Marvel ship

[@nathanyou1899]

So like timelords. It has two hearts.

[@bdboricua3128]

How'd I miss this vid? I fkn love Fitz-Simmons. love this show. Marvel done them dirty

[@TaurielTheElf]

How are they done dirty? They got a happy ending in the only Marvel show that wasn't cancelled.

[@bdboricua3128]

@@TaurielTheElf they were separated from the main mcu timeline I wanted them integrated into it as originally intended

[@jessrl8025]

It was always about the sandwich.

[@juanperret7044]

This series was pretty good all things considered

[@jamesclark4578]

Joss input did not serve this series well and confused many of us at the time. It was a Marvel version of Buffy with Sky as the focal point a bit too often. Give us Coulson and The Cavalry. The rest could have been anyone.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

I think saying they’re some of the most important characters in any marvel property is a BIT much brother

[@BradsPitts.]

I know I got some flack for saying the show fell off a bit in the last season or two but omggg I miss this show so much. Marvel peaked here imo

[@defrostedrobot77]

I'd say it fell off with S5 (arguably with the S4 finale).

[@serenity4eva89]

❤❤❤

[@accidentalmadness1708]

Oh are we allowed to care again?

[@LicencetoMeme]

Yeah, even during the worst parts of the show (I hated season 5 with the heat a thousand suns), they were really the reason to keep watching the show. (especially in season 1, when -Daisy- SKYE had less personality than in the next seasons) I also liked the fact the season 6-7 were mostly about finding Fitz, despite all the space-travel and timey-wimey of those seasons. And I'm happy some people remember Marvel's T.V. shows, before they were all cancelled due to buyouts. Agent Carter was great, Inhumans wasn't even that bad (except for the first episode), Cloak and Dagger... wasn't the best show ever, but man, was it working on the emotional side! And Runaways... Existed. The OST was nice, and that was about it.

[@defrostedrobot77]

I don't know if the issue with S1 Skye was a LACK of personality as much as how it was utilized. And I'd say FitzSimmons became a problem from S5 onwards with how they were written.

[@defrostedrobot77]

Bro, putting up examples of praise for Fitz and Simmons and only showed Reddit posts for Fitz. Ouch. Also, feels like you could have gone back and at least put asteriks saying FZZT was Ep6 not 7 and same for The Hub (especially if you're gonna show the IMDB episode list with the correct numbers later). Anyway, in general, I think FitzSimmons were pretty solid for the first 3-4 seasons of the show but later on they became extremely frustrating. The separation plots became repetitive (tho some of that couldn't be helped due to Iain doing other things). But I really dislike how in S5 and 6 they just became utter jerks in the name of their love doing some really horrible stuff and the narrative giving them way too much of a pass (Daisy deserved so much better after Devil Complex and the show just completely shoving that under the rug was a huge F-up in my opinion). I'll take Mulder and Scully and Pam and Jim over these two any day of the week.

[@sydryi3086]

Fitz part i agree with, he was the best character he was just so kind and understanding, whilst Simmons was a bit of a Bitch, season 2 wasn't her best season, and my opinion for her remained low after that.

[@saltoftheegg]

Imo they should have stayed friends and their relationship got boring after they became a couple.

[@defrostedrobot77]

I'm fine with them being a couple but they became real jerks in the name of it in the later seasons. Was extremely frustrating to watch as was the separation drama.