Pilot's Reckless Mistakes Caught on Camera!

A pilot actually crashed while showing off some scenery to the passengers and it was all caught on camera. Incredibly they all survived and the pilot made a video sharing his version of what happened. There's definitely a lot to debrief in this mishap!
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[@86BBUB]

Stalls it 100 feet off the ground when there are plenty of places to land it. Gross incompetence.

[@thatguy8005]

And a stall is accelerating to terminal speed… like heading toward a wall with no brakes, and hitting the gas.

[@ibnewton8951]

I was amazed at his indifference to the stall warning indicator. 😮

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

He was not taught power off landings and it shows

[@dorbie]

Exactly. Deer in the headlights.

[@user-pt1cz4ot1e]

Could you imagine?? I would absolutely never trust his judgement again. I couldn’t even be friends with him again. Swore he’d be safe and he does almost everything as wrong as possible…..with my children?? Sorry, if we survive, I’m beating his ass in that field.

[@Yaak18]

My flight instructor told me two things I’ll never forget. “There’s NO excuse for running out of gas, or Stalling the airplane.” It’s always pilot error.

[@thomaswest5931]

A sailplane instructor of mine (30+ years ago) use to shout from the trainer’s back seat “Speed is half your life!” Seems he was taught that in, German, by instructors sitting in another back seat; Germany late 1944. Lee never got to fly for the Luftwaffe, fortunately. He immigrated here to become an accomplished scientist and soaring pilot.

[@jayreiter268]

I had made a couple simulated engine out approaches on the south side of Palos Verdes. The next time out he cut the throttle a little east. I chose the closed Terminal Island runway. Side slipped to control speed and altitude "perfect approach." At 250 feet Instructor: See those lines on the runway they are 8 ft chain link fences they will tear this aircraft apart. Me; I will try for the clearing by the hanger. As I turn at hanger height there is a fresh plowed berm. Instructor; Pushes in the throttle GET THE HELL OUT. He assured me the berm was not there the last time. I have been low and slow with the stall warning moaning. It can happen fast and luckily did not make the 6 o'clock news.

[@fhuber7507]

My mother's instructor made her land in a fresh plowed bean field in a simulated engine out... then had her take back off. Instructor was a 20,000+ hrs of cropdusting pilot.

[@jayreiter268]

@@fhuber7507 This was in the 70's in the Los Angeles basin. The engine was not shut down. The instructor would advance the throttle a few feet above ground. This was after the incident when the fuel shutoff handle sheared with loss of student and instructor.

[@kingBing101]

@@thomaswest5931Why is it unfortunate he couldn’t fly for nazis?

[@Asylar343]

Stalled at 50 to 75 feet and everyone survived? That's extremely lucky given the circumstances.

[@jimcphelan]

He made mistake after mistake. Your videos show a pattern of social media people not focused on flying. Thanks for another great lesson!

[@encinobalboa]

Dude looks like an idiot. That's right, book judged by the cover.

[@countys32]

So true, you can have a whole channel just on that subject alone.

[@nanaman]

Five minutes of fame is not worth anyone’s life. 👍

[@liavasi2161]

@@countys32I heard that congress is working on a bill preventing certain professions to film while performing. Pilots are number one. About time to come crashing on this fad.

[@rebel_is_here]

There's bound to be a pattern of videos showing people making mistakes that were recording videos. This channel is about people making mistakes, and you don't get so many videos of people that weren't recording.

[@FerrisLedbetter]

I’m not a pilot, but my father was, and as an 8 year old kid I remember asking him why we couldn’t fly lower and maybe slower to see things up close and have more “fun”. He told me, “Because altitude and air speed are a pilot’s two best friends.” I didn’t get it at the time, but I sure do now.

[@davidfelton7772]

Airspeed is life. Altitude is life insurance

[@Sbgomes]

And if the fan outside stops it's when the starts to get hot and sweating.

[@spc148]

So tired of focusing on everything else but ones job it's like texting while driving

[@warriorgp4640]

You didn't understand it back then and you never will. You're nothing!

[@N3003Q]

@@davidfelton7772 just make sure you don't get too much life insurance

[@desertdog185]

He intentionally slowed down, hot and heavy, in a canyon????? …and admitted it? Just wow!

[@ectobluntus]

(stall horn screaming in the background) This guy: "Man I need to bleed off some speed"

[@GeneralSirDouglasMcA]

They could possibly use this against him in court.

[@lonnywilcox445]

@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA without a doubt they will. He is giving a play by play of how he screwed up, they will get either an accident investigator or an actual pilot (probably both) to tear his video to shreds about how many times he screwed up and didn't follow the checklist he should have memorized or what a competent pilot would do. He may actually keep his pilot's license but he will never be insured again.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Showing off in front of chicks, that never gets a guy in trouble!

[@snappingbear]

​@@lonnywilcox445Oh there's a doubt. It's clear you haven't watched their videos about the crash where they thank their friend the pilot for saving their lives and even call him a hero. They have no idea that their hero was completely to blame.

[@truno7]

The fact that she had to ask him twice if he’d keep them safe says enough for me.

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

Wifee KNEW! Now the FAA has to know & ground him >>> when you get to the point where you are turning your passengers & yourself into crash test dummies pretending to be a pilot it is time for you to find another mode of transportation bcuz you are NOT WORTHY! HIS PLAN = crash the plan slowly

[@devynthomas8207]

If I had been standing there and heard her ask that 2 times, my alarms would have started talking to me. I wouldn't have been able to get on the plane with that man flying it.

[@eriklarson9137]

Imagine living with someone that irresponsible? I wouldn't even talk to this guy, let alone marry him.

[@robertgantry2118]

Yeah, like they didn't really trust him from the beginning. Kinda begs the question as to WHY they didn't trust him.

[@ano9161]

Trust issues

[@mr.martyr8573]

Trusting someone named "Shad" is where they all went wrong. Lol

[@YouTubeSafetyTroll]

Shadrach is a biblical name that is somewhat more popular in the LDS community because of Shadrach Roundy, an early LDS leader and one of the senior members of Brigham Young's Company who were among the first to arrive in the Salt Lake Valley. Nowadays quite a few LDSers love the performative social media lifestyle vlogs (presumably due in large part to the ad revenue that comes along with it), which no doubt played a role in clouding this guy's judgment. Ironically, this stupid mistake probably generated more attention and ad revenue for them than anything else they could've come up with, but at great cost given the lasting injuries he sustained.

[@lsimon343]

@@KZbinSafetyTrollwhat a great answer for a silly question. Thanku for the info and lesson. I love when people who actually know what they speak of respond to the typical you tube fools lol ❤

[@srf2112]

This coming from "mr. martyr" lol indeed.

[@mr.martyr8573]

@@srf2112 Yea man....thats my real name. My lord what a fuckin lame ass comment. Lol

[@countys32]

A bit of levity in the comments was required considering how tragic this could have ended but thankfully no one was seriously hurt.

[@user-xz9hu4rd2v]

When I taught on T-38s in the Air Force I had this on my desk: “The superior pilot uses his superior knowledge to avoid situations that require his superior skills.”

[@DopravniPoradce]

That's a great quote! Works for motorcycles too.

[@BrianHAviation]

You just brought up memories of flying the T-38 out of Vance back in the early 90s after I got out of the academy.

[@FerrisLedbetter]

Words to live by in all areas of life. Thank you for the quote!

[@channex8179]

Always be ahead of the Aircraft never let the Aircraft get ahead of you is what I was taught. You need to be able to see things happening before they actually happen otherwise things unravel pretty damn quickly.

[@trailbossauction8918]

"Don't ever let the airplane take you somewhere your brain wasn't at 3 minutes prior"

[@Swaggerlot]

This is a guy that I wouldn't rely on to give me the correct time of day. You are being very charitable in your commentary.

[@rmatthews8161]

True that.

[@antonystringfellow5152]

I felt the same. I have no training or experience flying powered aircraft, I've only flown handgliders and paragliders, but that's enough for me to wonder what the heck this guy was thinking. I don't think he has the right mentality to be a pilot. Some people just shouldn't fly.

[@evanhughes3027]

I agree. There's nothing wrong with someone who has lots of training and experience critiquing someone who acts in a foolish way. I will say as well. It's especially egregious that he specifically promises not to do anything dangerous (on camera), then immediately does something dangerous.

[@SuperFishfry]

your kids dont like you

[@Ace96x10]

Even you sir are far more polite then I about what a $#%$% that $%%^ is.

[@canoe365]

My dad was a pilot in the Air Force, he had lots of experience. He said it's not good to run out of airspeed, altitude and ideas all at the same time. A fellow B-52H mechanic was flying along with a Buff heading from North Dakota to Guam. Takeoff was usually pretty heavy on fuel, as the fuel burned off the crew would step climb to higher altitude. The plane could fly to over 50,000', and I've personally been on board on Buff at 47,000'. At these extreme altitudes the aircraft is just a few knots above stall speed, even though the airspeed is 600+ MPH, because of the very thin air. The autopilot pitch hold wasn't working well on my friends plane, and at 45,000' altitude they entered a stall. He told me that the pilots finally recovered controlled flight at 25,000' altitude.

[@ronlanter6906]

Wow!

[@generalrendar7290]

One thing that I find very useful about this crash, is that he had recently been training on STOL aircraft and training to land them on rough terrain. This explains his thought process on how he controlled his plane incorrectly. He was suffering from recency bias and interference with how STOLs behave versus normal aircraft. Another commenter pointed out that it sounded like the airplane was suffering from vapor lock and that makes the most sense as to why he lost power. Fuel pump on and switching tanks seems to be the best way to alleviate that issue.

[@stonehorn4641]

Yup, I own a Carbon Cub and 182S. They operate very, very differently.

[@alaskayoung3413]

What is a stol aircraft? Sincerely non pilot

[@stonehorn4641]

@@alaskayoung3413 short takeoff and landing

[@generalrendar7290]

@@alaskayoung3413 Short Take Off/Landing

[@alaskayoung3413]

@@generalrendar7290 cool thx

[@georgerivera9318]

His passengers had no idea how incompetent their pilot was. How did he stall the plane at 100 feet? There should have been minor injuries.

[@snappingbear]

Yep, they not only praised him for saving their lives, they even called him a hero. They are clueless.

[@primate4]

This was planned! This idiot just wanted to go viral!

[@snappingbear]

@@MajorCanada I think you're right. The NTSB even analyzed the video's audio to try to detect engine problems but found nothing. The engine itself also showed no signs of issues. In the end they were unable to conclude the engine was at fault, but they did blame ol' Shadrach for the crash.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Starts with WHY THE HELL did he keep putting the gear down when he KNEW he was struggling for power??? Ends with, HOW G** D*** HARD IS IT to just return to your training and follow the checklist procedures like they POUND into you through flight school??? Seriously, I think this guy's another one of the "Cowboys" who make us ALL look stupid and bad... figures he's joining the golden ages of Flying Aces and hero pilots that live from one minute to the next by the skin of their teeth... This is the era of Modern Aviation, and even in those vintage beasts of the bygone era, pilots like that are IDIOTS not "heroes"... ;o)

[@edwinutt6437]

The two guys up front had more than minor injuries.

[@Pistolpete218]

Let’s be real honest here. This pilot needs his certification pulled. You don’t take on 5 people and not know how to do a fundamental maneuver.

[@AnjektusStudio]

Well! Schould we get your licence away when you are doing a stupid thing?

[@geekfreak618]

YES! @@AnjektusStudio

[@AnjektusStudio]

@@geekfreak618 Don't know why you are making that comment to me.

[@joelglanton6531]

@@AnjektusStudio You're trolling, right?

[@AnjektusStudio]

@@joelglanton6531 about what? About my first or my secound comment? Becouse it is hard to tell!. But if it is about my first comment so have not seen the authoritys pulling a certificate becouse you make a stupid miśstake. So you can gladly prue me wrong

[@quick906]

I love how this dude casually says “like I do in the strike eagle”. That’s so incredible to me. To be one of, what, 1,500 people, to ever do it? Amazing. And to him it’s just a thing he used to do. Great video.

[@nathankox1463]

I like the way he barely references his background. he just gives other options than the course chosen for the pilots in these accidents.

[@eskileriksson4457]

I think you'll find there are more fighter pilots in the world. Not on that specific jet, but flying low and fast.

[@quick906]

@@eskileriksson4457 i know there are, but i was just talking about the strike eagle specifically

[@eskileriksson4457]

@@quick906 Yeah, ok. And he is quite casual about it.

[@tapio83]

@@eskileriksson4457 Fighter pilots are usually psychologically screened to clear out egoistical folks and you end up with calm focused no nonsense folks

[@stardustandgolden1]

Love this channel. I am not a pilot and I pray I never have to get on a plane again after some bad commercial flights but I am taken by all the great tech info and knowledge. These video will save many lives. Unfortunately there is no way to ascertain how many or how often. Many if us boaters post videos like this to point out past and potential dangers. Thanks you for making these that someone else may learn and avoid some of these disaters

[@williamgreene4834]

I was married to a commercial pilot for a long time and I never felt the need to ask her if she would take care of us. If you have to ask that, you probably shouldn't get in the plane.

[@ThatGuy182545]

Not only that, but if you’re a pilot and your entire family is basically begging you not to do something stupid and kill them, you may want to rethink your flight status because you’re probably a moron.

[@Vaginaninja]

They were just playing up for the cameras. No wonder she dumped you'll gullible ass

[@justforever96]

That quote sounded like she was reading from a script, it seems really weird to me. What was he really planning on doing that day? Viral videos have made morons out of people.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@justforever96 Yeah, that sounded like it was for added drama. Unless he was known to be reckless, in which case, what you said: don’t fly with him. The funny thing is that he wasn’t recklessly stunting. He just didn’t understand how to fly safely. He didn’t know the lower limits of his aircraft, for one thing. I don’t think he understood aviation physics. It seems like people are getting their PPLs by demonstrating that they can operate an aircraft without having to demonstrate that they can operate safely. His “interview” bothered me because he either didn’t understand his mistakes or didn’t want to admit them. In either case, it’s not possible to learn from your mistakes. I can relate: I don’t like to admit my mistakes. It’s a character defect of which I’m aware and working on. 😅

[@davestir5743]

People who are afraid of flying will ask that of any pilot. That question/comment means nothing to the pilots ability. This line of thinking is why why there are so many issues out there when there are none. This pilot made a few mistakes, they crashed, but everyone walked away with their lives. Be thankful they lived to see another day. There is no reason to bad mouth people because they make mistakes, everyone makes them...and some day you will as well, lets just hope you don't make it and kill someone when you do it. Since they were friends, his mind was probably screaming at him to keep them safe, so his thoughts may also be causing him to second guess himself which when you are constricted for time, can make things worse. The majority of everyone out there cannot multi-task when under pressure like this. This is one of those few instances that mistakes were made, and everyone walked away with their lives. Plus your commercial pilot husband never talks to the people already boarded on the plane he is about to fly...so they cannot ask him that question. But $10 says there are at least half a dozen people on each of his flights that would ask him the same thing.

[@mattdelaney9418]

Criminal negligence. How could you ever have your nose above the horizon with low/no power. He's lucky no one died.

[@josh3771]

Unbelievable isn’t it, “engine failure, nose down”. It’s almost as if he wasn’t taught or totally disregarded engine out landings and best glide

[@dermick]

@@josh3771 It would be interesting to pull the engine monitor data - it looked like the engine was running, but at low power.

[@josh3771]

@@dermick Was always taught a semi failed engine is many times more deadly than a total engine failure. Either way, nose down

[@dtsh4451]

One of the passengers was seriously injured and paralyzed for the rest his life🙄

[@mikoto7693]

I’m not a pilot but when the stall horn blared I wondered why he didn’t lower the nose and increase power-the engine seemed to be still producing power. Maybe improve the fuel mixture to give it more power.

[@steelhealer1]

Just stumbled onto your channel and enjoying it. Although I am NOT a pilot, my DAD was. B17 bomber pilot and survived 36 missions 1944-1945. Even I can see the mistakes made here. I remember my dad once took me up in a Cessna over the old Zahn's airport on Long Island. He flew us over to our house. I remember he told me to look out the window as he was circling and he said to me "see how the wing tip makes a perfect circle over our house". He was a great pilot, flying through enemy fighters and antiaircraft fire. It's painful to watch these videos when I remember the risks my dad took, and the hard training he went through when his instructors tried their best to make you 'wash out'. But there was a purpose: you had ten other crew on board and a mission. People forget the forces of nature. Thanks for posting these and more importantly, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!!!

[@williamschroeder3070]

I remember Zahn's airport. Lived in Copiague as a kid and used to watch the planes all the time.

[@johnpatrick1588]

If the NTSB doesn't find an engine problem he better be in trouble. His judgment, narcissism, and skill are problems.

[@georgerivera9318]

You got that right!

[@jonnymakers9560]

exactly I think it is criminal charges should be filed and revoke

[@jj4791]

Every airport is filled with airplanes owned and operated by Narcissists. I'm not against people who an inflated sense of self worth per se. But they do have a proclivity to crashing airplanes while attempting to prove they are the exception to laws of physics and reality itself. (As entertaining as Narcissists can be, there is a point of no return with NPD where its an actual mental emotional disorder, recently had the misfortune of dating an NPD and it took till the middle of the third date to fully realize what level of nonsenseisist I was up against).

[@vernonsmithee792]

All correct. In fact," the Board of Inquiry will give him such a pranging, he'll be lucky if he gets to wear the uniform of a bloody toilet attendant!"- Grp. Capt Lionel Mandrake😂

[@psilver063]

There was no engine issue according to them. Pilot error

[@jraces]

I think the most understated line in the video is that the pilot was committed to crashing. He complicated the situation numerous times by deliberately slowing down, and in the end he was determined to crash despite there being plenty of places to land. Were they airstrips? No - but there were places to land that didn't involve cratering from 100 feet.

[@wadesworld6250]

That's what makes me seriously wonder whether this was a pre-planned "emergency" for KZbin clicks that went wrong.

[@jemmerx]

@@wadesworld6250Without falling into conspiracy theory territory, some of the preflight footage about not doing anything dangerous, etc, starts to look suspicious. However, given how poorly this guy performed, I find it less likely. I can't imagine someone prepared for this situation and failed that badly.

[@houseofsolomon2440]

His final commitment to crashing was refusing to put his gear up. A gear-up belly landing; everyone could have stepped out the plane & gone out to dinner that evening.

[@LucasPirolla]

as a sailplane pilot, for me, crashing is never an option.

[@Rj-nh1df]

I'm surprised how many times this KZbinr decided to stop the video just to talk.

[@ianutube22]

I'm glad everyone is okay. Not gonna lie, it gets kinda tiring seeing youtubers (not you of course ;)) and "influencers" destroying beautiful aircraft that they don't make anymore. Feels like the chances of my dream of owning a used aircraft are getting more and more slim.

[@maskcollector6949]

There's always some old guy who keeps their hot rods, etc, in a garage and only starts the engine and does maintenance to keep it running.

[@ccpperrett7522]

I watched the KZbin family's recovery videos. They had a long road.

[@fredspofford]

They're not that damn expensive.

[@ianutube22]

@@fredspofford most people I know can't afford one lol. Once you manage to get financing you gotta insure it, maintain it, do annuals and the list goes on. God forbid there's any upcoming or already due ADs. Aircraft ownership is definitely not cheap though the costs definitely vary greatly depending on a multitude of factors. Aircraft production in the US continues to decline with the exception possibly of Cessnas for 141 flight schools still in popular demands thanks to stupid government bailouts and bad policy.

[@tylerjohn4607]

@@fredspofford By an large aircraft are far too expensive for anyone making anything close to the median income unless they have special arrangements

[@byronolson1221]

Fellow fighter guy here, Tomcat's. Very good analysis of the situation. Appears he got in over his head, easy to do with the terrain challenges. Bottom line, speed is life.Great debrief

[@jllee9189]

I have been flying for over 45 years (civilian, military, and commercial), two rules of thought that I have always left outside of the cockpit, “EGO & COMPLACENCY”, looking at this video, before during and after the crash, I definitely sense each of these got in the way and had a major contributing factor in the crash (his guilty consciences of having to explain the series of events that led to the crash also substantiates my belief) ! In any aviation accident, there are always several factors that cause an accident, although in most cases if you are able to eliminate one of them, the accident would not occurred, I believe this accident is no different ! One last rule in aviation, “NEVER STOP FLYING YOUR AIRPLANE” ! There is no reason to allow a perfectly aerodynamic airplane to stall and just fall out of the sky like this guy did !

[@johngeorg9491]

Amen! Well said!

[@bkb04g]

I’m no pilot but it looked extremely easy to keep gliding the plane to a relatively soft landing. THIS GUY LOOKS STUPID AND IT SHOWED. I would be SOOO PISSED if I was roped into getting on that plane…

[@suasnhammonds2011]

Totally correct!

[@AndyMcGeever]

This is why they changed the terminology here in the UK relating to collisions involving cars. They used to call them RTA's, Road Traffic Accidents but now use the term RTC, Road Traffic Collision on the basis that there is no such thing as an accident. An accident infers a single event and cause. There is always a chain of events, both recent and historical that lead up to the final outcome and some or all of those events are usually preventable and would have led to a very different outcome. Understanding that chain of events is critical in preventing repeat occurrences.

[@adamsawesomeprojects664]

The guy probably got his pilots license 🪪 revoked

[@joelleerickson2642]

I rarely participate in pile-ons but I couldn’t believe I heard him say he was preparing to land at 500’ AGL 30 miles from the airport. Incredible.

[@KenFullman]

I have a strong belief that all he really needed to do was push the throttle forward. He'd have picked up speed and just continued flying.

[@michaelspunich7273]

You really don't think that was the first thing he tried?@@KenFullman

[@muamermuhic206]

that area was at 9000 ft and the airport elevation is at 5200 ft.

[@ticenits1926]

im still gobsmacked that his landing strategy was to deliberately stall the plane

[@KenFullman]

@@michaelspunich7273 He was low, got hit with a headwind which slowed the aircrafts progress across the ground. (even though it's airspeed that keeps the plane aloft, not groundspeed). He then found he wasn't getting the expected acceleration from the engine (because he was heavy and experiencing a headwind) So he jumped to the conclusion that he was not going to be able to keep the plane flying. He then committed himself to landing the plane. As part of this committment he decided to keep the plane barely above stall speed. Even though his airspeed was likely much healthier than he believed (due to the headwind). But by committing to get the airspeed as slow as possible, he sealed their fate.

[@davidg5290]

@pilotdebrief - great video and explanation. I stumbled across your videos and am hooked. Flew 1 time with an instructor and loved it. Not sure I will do more but I am fascinated with flight. Keep on posting!

[@MrStratbat]

never let this guy near an airplane again

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

Should have his driver's license revoked too. What a imbecile.

[@chicago_race_engines7538]

Agree

[@Coops777]

With 6 lives in his hands (inc his own) there can be no chances taken. It's no small thing to be responsible for a plane full of passengers. I'm so glad it worked out ok for everyone. I cannot imagine the extent of the sickening feeling when the engine failed to make enough power.

[@banjo2019]

It actually didn’t work out. Front passenger had a spinal injury from this and is permanently disabled as a result.

[@failranch9542]

@@banjo2019I’m not liking that

[@wallyman292]

That sickening feeling when the engine failed paled significantly to the one they felt when he stalled the plane out at 50+ feet in the air, I imagine!!!

[@dawsondetrana5496]

​@@banjo2019everyone is disabled these days

[@ve1139]

Extremely irresponsible pilot who should NEVER hold a pilots license again and the passengers should sue him for everything he owns. It's pilots like this clown that reflects poorly on general aviation pilots as a whole.

[@johnpatrick1588]

I am guessing the pilot does not have an attorney. The last thing to do is a public video testimony.

[@kevinfoley8105]

Absolutely agree. Hard to know if his ego or his mouth is his worst enemy.

[@Exodus20Ten]

...for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. *-Luke 6:45* ³ A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. *-Proverbs 26:3*

[@konewone361]

I think he’s just doing it from his hospital bed to say, look at me, I’m injured.

[@lunam7249]

dumb thru and thru..should be revoked permanately!

[@tomperkins5657]

I have taken several fireaarm self-defense courses. You NEVER talk to a cop after an incidence save the absolute basics required as name and address. REgaardless of how the cop "feels", you wait for your attorney.

[@jayjones3254]

Would like interviews of all the passengers!!

[@gregoryashton]

I think it's noteworthy to listen to his use of the word "we" when referring to his decisions and manoeuvres, instead of taking accountability and using the word "I".

[@dr.strangelove7739]

The male passenger in the co pilot's seat was severely injured. He had a broken back that has ruined his life! Lots of associated health issues from this crash.

[@Curious_Skeptic]

And somehow, he got a pilot license??? Here I am taking Lexipro, will never pilot again, but certainly 1000% safer than that arse clown. Go figure FAA. No logic, just a club of Karens making up sheet.

[@pepepingu9842]

I’ve seen that guy but can’t find it now.

[@deaf2819]

He will be iight , first world problems brought upon himself.

[@phillydelphia8760]

​@@deaf2819 a broken back is only a first world problem? You need an attitude adjustment.

[@HarperSophia]

Wow 😯

[@neygrant6891]

As a T210 pilot for 23 years the first thing you learn in just about anything written on the plane is that vapor issues are real in the Turbo 210. It's happened to me numerous times (until I learned to switch tanks often). But the solution is very easy: Switch tanks (the other tank and fuel lines will not have vapor in them) or hit the boost pump switch. Or if low like this guy, do both! I would just switch tanks and the partial power problem would immediately go away. I was constantly reminding myself, "rough engine or power loss?, switch tanks". BTW, some batches of fuel are more prone to vapor issues, hot fuel from above-ground fueling tanks are more prone, running lean of peak mixture settings are more prone, etc. So it can be hard to predict when this may occur.

[@carsoncourchaine9539]

I’ve experienced that issue in the 206. You’re right on.

[@richardjohnson369]

Yes, you are right on. In my T210K, fuel not used in the injection process is being sent back to the header tanks, more often than not boiling, the tanks are only about 1/2 gallon or less under the floor under your and the co-pilot's feet (2 header tanks). Boiling fuel causes fuel vapor in the fuel (bubbles) in the in-use header tank and then this is pumped back into the injection system and vapor lock is the result with rough or quiting engine and power. So I fly high and don't descend until absolutely necessary and slow it down in the pattern. And this issue is placarded on the panel in every TDCS for the 210 so I really don't understand why the FAA investigators didn't contribute that as a part of the accident. Placard: Major Fuel Flow Fluctuations/Power Surges 1. AUX Fuel Pump - On, Adjust Mixture. 2. Select Opposite Tank. 3. When Fuel Flow Steady, Resume Normal Operations. See Procedure Card D1189-13 For Expanded Instruction. I added a procedure between 2 & 3, "Lower the Landing Gear" while the prop is windmilling. All the drag and reduced glide aside the T210K's landing gear power pack is hydraulic running off an engine pump, not electric like the newer models. I'm also an A&P and have had "The Beast" up on jacks and hand pumped the gear up and down as a part of the annual inspection process, there is just no way I'm going to get it pumped and down in a time sensitive emergency and be able to focus on also flying the plane as far into the crash as possible (50+ pumping actions to get the gear down and no wind resistance).

[@generalrendar7290]

Man, I was missing the pieces as to why the plane lost power, a vapor lock makes a lot of sense. High and hot will cause that if the tanks aren't full, this is why using the auxiliary fuel pump and possibly switching tanks to resolve the issue. The guy flew the way he did because he recently had been training on STOL aircraft and was likely suffering from recency bias and interference from that training. I've flown an STOL and his maneuvers track very closely with how you land and STOL on short and rough terrain.

[@steveprice5664]

Yep, the 210 has an abysmal safety record because of this. It's one plane that I refuse to fly in.

[@MrDIYUSA]

I have never had any fuel issues in the 206, but I’m always primed to hit the electric boost should I need it, although this emergency can be fairly complicated depending on the condition, but with the TIO-520 push everything forward and hold the high boost.

[@Green__one]

Very interesting. I had seen this incident on another channel previously, however as a non-pilot, I had always thought he'd done a reasonably decent job of putting it down (though I had previously questioned his choices leading up to it of flying low and slow in an enclosed canyon!). I really like your perspective on it, because it really illustrates that there were a lot more mistakes made here than I previously thought.

[@johnafsoc8929]

Love the explanations you put out. As a former military aviator it’s a stark difference in our safety training to civilian training.

[@danepatterson8107]

"Train like you fight." ODS armor veteran. #salute

[@johnafsoc8929]

@@danepatterson8107 that’s a fact. The training provided at these flight schools is ok. Proficiency is by the FAA but it’s not quite as extensive the training we received on safety in the military. Thinking about it, from the chow hall line to the graduation of your career school and every training day after, safety was built into our daily operations.

[@Jessersadler]

​@johnafsoc8929 Crazy. . . because in the commercial world (not part 121), military training isn't really looked upon that positively. Most "training" is 2 pilot operations, for things that doesn't fit the civilian world. Stick and rudder proficiency are commonly severely lacking from military pilots. Too many pilot aids in them million dollar aircraft. About the only thing military training is good for is for the airlines. . . and even then, you're going to get retrained. The worst, and most ego-driven pilots I have met, are "military" pilots. . . And thats saying a bunch coming from me😉🤪 *not saying there isn't some serious bad-asses in the military. Just that it's a few. Like most pilots. Average, especially compared to the commercial counterparts. Private rated pilot is a different ball of wax. . . And even then, that's a broad brush stroke.

[@LuMaxQFPV]

I watched this way back when it happened. You covered this well. I felt that the pilot comes across as a very immature pilot, who probably shouldn't be carrying passengers like he did. He didn't have command of hardly any of the flight aspects that he put his aircraft into. This is a very novice pilot, who probably shouldn't continue flying without substantial remedial training.

[@mjohn1727]

I agree that he comes off as relatively immature. A huge red flag as to his judgement and maturity is that he and his friends are filming themselves and creating content and drama seem to take priority.

[@wallacejeffery5786]

Put him in jail

[@wackywaver]

"We're going to crash. RELAX! RELAX!!!"

[@farerse]

"we're probably gonna die, RELAX"

[@FrankYammy]

Youre the problem. He said the right thing

[@suntzu4691]

@@FrankYammy He *yelled the right thing

[@jonmoore176]

Serenity NOW!

[@cloudsurfingchaddy4964]

As someone considering Aviation school, Im going to listen and study a lot of your videos.

[@kennethbrown1243]

Love your channel. Good learning

[@jdwojda]

They were all KZbinrs. What a waste of a perfectly good plane.

[@sweetroscoeful]

Great debrief. When I was working on my private pilot certificate, I spend hours and hours reading NTSB reports to learn from the mistake of others, and how errors tended to compound themselves, and to really drive home the point of why proper preparation, weather debrief, flight planning, and weight, balance calculations, pre-flight inspection, and pre-takeoff runup were crucial. Whenever I flew, I always kept my mind's eye on "where would I land" or "what would I do if..." as I never wanted to be unprepared for an inflight emergency.

[@bigjuan6440]

I read those reports too and nearly dropped out they scared me so bad.

[@sebfettel]

You sound like a good pilot, levels above this guy

[@Wildcat5181]

Me too.

[@rextuller3498]

I'm only about 12 hours into it and I just finished up emergency procedures, I can't fathom not having each critical checklist not memorized, your life depends on it!

[@alexshmalex]

"Aviation regulations are written in blood"

[@71Quackhead]

Came across your page today! Just heard you say you were an eagle driver? I worked flight med and was on the IFE Response team at Ramstein AB Germany in the 90’s. I got my honor flight by our wing commander General Swope. Terrific experience but I’d never trust myself to fly passengers. Thanks for the amazing and original content sir!

[@haunted_lunchbox]

Just found your channel today & now I'm bingeing all the videos.

[@same5952]

I've been binging for the past couple of weeks! Great channel!

[@HookedOnUtah]

My guess, the mixture was set for cruise at the higher altitude, he pulled the power out to descend, when he pushed the power back in at the lower altitude, his mixture was too lean and the engine wouldn't produce power. Thats why the NTSB couldn't find anything wrong with the engine.

[@jahnkaplank8626]

that was literally the first thing I thought when he said 'nothing' when he advanced the throttle: MIXTURE

[@davidclark39]

Exactly! I still cant get over lowering the landing gear with fully loaded plane, mountain altitudes and hot day to "slow it down" in a canyon where he looks well under 1000 feet AGL?!?!

[@WendelltheSongwriter]

I got a feeling they were pretty low on gas anyway

[@rextuller3498]

bro has a prop that he can use to slow down let alone his landing gear, he thinks hes in a a320 or something, im like 12 hours into my PPL and this is just mind boggling, absolutely crazy, i cant get my head around it...@@davidclark39

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

Also the vapors so pump on & switch tanks has been suggested by knowledgeable people in this comment section >>> so that is the reason we have these dialogues & debriefs in the 1st place >>> so we use every experience as a LEARNING experience- thanks for your input I appreciate you!

[@retiredleo3679]

I learned to fly and spent my years of flying based at a high altitude mountain airfield. In this instance, he did what no mountain pilot I know would do; fly down a high altitude canyon low and slow. Altitude is your friend. I always flew my plane like the engine could quit running at any moment. FAA will see to it that he won't do this again anytime soon.

[@jerrysmith5782]

Good point...it is easy for us to focus upon his (other) mistakes when an engine problem can happen at any time to anyone, and be fatal if not prepared for it.

[@theianmce]

Exactly this

[@Unfiltered_POV]

Appreciate your debriefs Hoover, I’m digesting all of your videos and learning from everything you have to say because I’m going for my pilot license and your videos are amazing for what to do and not do. I’m glad your channel is back and I appreciate all your insight. Cheers 🙏

[@jezrix7257]

Such a great debrief mate. Glad I found your channel.

[@jodysin7]

I always talk to private pilots before I fly with them. Sometimes I end up staying on the ground because I feel they had no plan in a situation like this.

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

IF they are PREPARED properly then they should be prepared to answer your questions easily & with indifference to your motives- so that is a very good approach- if you can take the time to prepare a checklist of questions then the PILOT has no excuses for not having made his PREPARATIONS sufficient that he can answer them on demand!

[@Harridanme1]

Dude is liable for everything that went wrong. Inexperience with having multiple passengers. While folks survived, they will have lasting medical issues to deal with. Insurance claims/payouts for injury and medical services will hit him hard. Pretty sure he will be found at fault once the investigation is over.

[@geekfreak618]

Yes, and that's when friends and even family may sue his bleep off because lawyers will tell them that's the only way they will get payouts big enough to actually help them enough to live decently after this mess.

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

The fact that one of his passengers told him to stop it is a huge red flag.

[@pilot-debrief]

He didn’t intentionally kill the engine. At least as far as the NTSB investigation says.

[@SM-if4nz]

Based on the hanger talk it doesn't sound like she ever trusted him in the first place

[@vantonspraul]

@@pilot-debriefNo, but I think the previous poster's point is that one of the passengers thought he was the kind of pilot who would do something like that. That he was the sort of pilot who would put putting on a show ahead of safety.

[@MrShobar]

@@SM-if4nz That was my impression too.

[@brettdodge8699]

Didn't they say that they found no cause for it to lose power also??@@pilot-debrief

[@billlambert2092]

Maybe his decision to attempt landing with gear down actually proved fortuitous in this scenario as the gear likely absorbed some of the impact forces. Of course, he never should have stalled in the first place.

[@mokeozinga7290]

Excellent assessment(s) and video. I just subscribed. Now, I am not a pilot, nor do I have any formal training for that matter- only a deep love for aviation, but even I was pointing out some of the mistakes that were made while watching the video. Just unbelievable.

[@boeingpete]

In my experience as a commercial airline pilot and a long time flying instructor, one of the biggest failings of the average private pilot is complacency. They don't give a moments thought to performance, weight & balance, critical speeds they need to know for each phase of flight or in an emergency, let alone practicing or at least reviewing basic emergency drills, like EFATO, stall recovery, lost comms procedures, etc., so when something like this does happen they don't find themselves scrambling to remember what they were taught at flight school. I'm sorry but he is certainly not to be applauded simply because no one died. It was more by luck than by skill.

[@DerBingle1]

I've heard people almost brag about only doing cursory preflights because "it's always the same; it's just a ritual." Crazy.

[@misters2837]

@@DerBingle1 As a non-pilot myself (my Brother is a CFI) but I am a former Truck Driver, I shake my head when My "Pre-trip" on my truck was more in depth than a Complacent Pilot's "Pre-Flight" - I remember NOT to take rides from.

[@jims.3987]

Because most average pilots are just average people with the extra money to buy or fly an airplane. IDK if ya'll noticed, but the average person is a complete F'ing moron that can't even figure out a 4 way stop instersection. These plane crash videos don't surprise me in the least. It's just par for the course with the general population. Nobody cares how anything works, nobody is even remotely curious about anything they just want to turn the key and go. Guy was a dumbass, don't feel sorry for him. He probably has another plane already.

[@clv603]

Average pilot? That's the majority of humans. Conscientiousness is one of the least prevalent personality traits, and we're wired by nature to be creatures of habit. It took me less than 5 seconds to intuit how incompetent this person is as soon as I heard him begin to speak. I wouldn't trust that idiot to report what time of day it is

[@MarcosElMalo2]

He didn’t strike me as a guy that uses checklists, not even when going to the grocery store.

[@ernestoherreralegorreta137]

My dad used to fly our whole family (6 of us including him) on our C185 Skywagons among our rural properties in Mexico for almost 30 years without anyone of us ever getting hurt. Our landing strips were often far shorter than anything that was available to that pilot from what I can see on the video. True, the C185 is made for that purpose, but his brother had a C210 Turbo Centurion, and I often saw that plane land on par with us on some of our relatively more decent grass strips without a hitch. That pilot on the video had obviously never landed with a faulty or dead engine ever before, nor asked to land impromptu on rural plot of land as a test of skill and preparedness, and no pilot of a GA aircraft should be responsible for the lives of entire families unless they have done so.

[@JakeArey]

I have to say that not all pilots have the opportunity to experience an engine out and not all pilots have a plane that CAN land on a rural plot of land…or a plot of land to land on legally. I have similar time as this pilot and I have landed on grass before in a tail wheel plane while getting my tail wheel endorsement but I have not and could not land my mooney on a rural plot of land just for training purposes. There are other ways to get that training.

[@ernestoherreralegorreta137]

@@JakeArey You're absolutely right, of course, and I should have hedged my statement somewhat. And then again, just from knowing you made the effort to obtain tail-wheel endorsement, I think it likely that you wouldn't have stalled that Centurion over that lake shore.

[@dawsondetrana5496]

Why do I feel like your family was doing illegal things in Mexico with airplanes

[@ernestoherreralegorreta137]

@@dawsondetrana5496 Because you're biased by the american media to think that Mexico is only about the cartels and nothing else. We owned both livestock and agricultural properties scattered over 3 states, there's no other way to manage that but to fly to each location, several times per week. I would've been offended by your comment years ago but seeing what has become of your own country today, I am at peace.

[@avalanche3084]

​@@ernestoherreralegorreta137Don't come here and lie. You're a nobody and always have been.

[@alaskayoung3413]

As a person who isn’t a pilot and really isn’t in any position to become one, I really enjoy these videos. I like the whole after action report audit thing. Definitely reminds me of the military and it should be used in all kinds of jobs.

[@ryanjunglelove6615]

You’re very knowledgeable. Great video!

[@CaptainSteve777]

Good review. Agree with you, his slowing so high was dangerous and counterproductive. Luckily he didn't stall spin, but his "mushing" caused a much higher sink rate than a glide with speed enough to flare (25,000 hour pilot here).

[@rootbeer9908]

Jesus Christ man. 25,000?? That’s insane. Thank you for the Insight.

[@johnpatrick1588]

You are in trouble when your pilot says "watch this."

[@geekfreak618]

Or hold my beer/vape

[@stephendowling9050]

Hoover, a debrief is analysis, not criticism. Its how we learn from others mistakes. Hats off to you! 😊

[@yboulais]

Congratulation, I was a pilot once... and I really like your debriefing and your videos can make many pilots safer. Thank You

[@cptairwolf]

At 14:43, you can clearly see that he's still about 75-100 feet off the ground and the aircraft is actively stalling. At this point he should have been pitching the aircraft down to try and get more air over the wings and flare once he was closer. They are very lucky to be alive because if he had an incipient stall at this altitude they'd of all died.

[@BrazilBeachBum]

I’m pretty sure those weren’t the only skid marks that were about 10 ft long.

[@williamwallace9826]

When you land vertically, you don't have a long roll-out.

[@tradeladder146]

Gross comment.🤢

[@Big_Sierra]

Lmao

[@saenzperspectives]

You got such a great channel love it

[@taylorm771]

Agree on all fronts. Great debrief, PD!

[@DonziGT230]

While I appreciate you giving him kudos for the couple things that he did right, he f-ed up and should never be allowed to fly again. Not just because of his mistakes, but the fact that he still seems to think he did no wrong and that the crash was unpreventable.

[@pilot-debrief]

Ya, I always try to at least find one or two good things to point out even when you make some really big mistakes.

[@Jack-xy2pz]

​@@pilot-debrief pos pic

[@CB-nd9ki]

Yea, his confession video was his psyche justifying his actions.

[@kevken3293]

I liked his highly accurate description of his situation, 'I had plenty of height and plenty of speed' You would have to be mad to fly with him.

[@Whitehall303]

This dude definitely comes off as arrogant about his flying, and does not talk like any pilot I've known. He phoned it in just enough to get his certificate, and promptly forgot most of the important stuff because he didn't take it seriously.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@Whitehall303 He crammed for his exam. Which is fine if it’s for your history class and you’re not a history major. A monkey can be trained to operate an aircraft, but if the monkey doesn’t understand the physics of aviation, that monkey is not going to operate the aircraft safely. Even worse is if the monkey thinks it knows but does not know. What troubles me is that I’m a dumb monkey and I sometimes think I know something when I really don’t.

[@CantonBn]

@@Whitehall303 Agree. But we already know he has extremely poor judgement even if we did not watch the video from cockpit and had none of this channel's expert analysis. Why? Because he has absurdly bad enough judgement to be videoing "his side" before the official findings and is opening himself up to several massive lawsuits that could cost him every nickel he will ever earn. Even if that family of four that were his passengers were his best friends, or even his brother, 1) Most even mild back or neck injury in childhood will likely that you recover from will often cause nerve and disk issues with aging. 2) for all we know one of those kids was involved n high school sports that may have led to scholarship that now wont due to even minor injury 3) even if you do not want to sue, your health insurer will.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@CantonBn Yup. Can't wait to check in on this story in 10 years and see how it all played out. I imagine it will take about that long for it all to wrap up.

[@AlanMydland-fq2vs]

passengers dont know😢

[@corcaighrebel]

Thanks for the video, really interesting insights. Happy New Year & best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

Dia Duit Dearthar Conas a ta tu

[@jimmydulin928]

Good point about the error of slowing, adding flaps, and lowering gear while low in the canyon. Good illustration about Wolfgang's law of the roller coaster when you mention that airspeed is altitude in the F-15 or his Centurion. The Alaska bush scud running low and slow to give more decision time about course reversal is a different situation. Low and slow is generally a bad idea down low were airspeed, and not altitude, is life. Good point on the debrief and yes, video today can help with debrief. Another thing that can help is comments and criticism of pilots with similar experiences. My knowledge of the value of normal cruise airspeed comes from the use of free level in low ground effect kinetic energy during spray runs crop dusting and with the default level in low ground effect until obstructions force pitch up to just over the obstruction both spraying and during takeoff. I also have survived and my airplanes have mostly survived 12 engine failures, eleven of which happened at 200' AGL or lower spraying or while patrolling pipeline. These were six second deals. He had a bit more time, but best glide airspeed is just a distraction when any lower than him. From very low, the available and survivable landing zones were very obvious in my experience and were somewhere in the very near hemisphere ahead of the wing. I had the crop dusters advantage of experience with steep 1 g turns. We simply release back pressure and allow the safe design feature of dynamic neutral stability to allow turns of any bank angle a 1 g. Good point on the forward slip. In most of mine full flaps and full slip was required to make the beginning of the landing zones. When we pick only what we can surely make, high and fast to the beginning of the LZ is probable.

[@philraymond2543]

I think his family, who knows him well, wouldn't have asked him those pre-flight questions if they didn't know what he had a penchant to do. And he showed his true colors.

[@marcos.lombardo]

that's right. they knew.

[@plaidjoker1321]

was very suspicious the questions those kids and woman were asking. There gut was telling them something and those kids dont know any better than to say something. Concerning as fuck.

[@marcos.lombardo]

@@plaidjoker1321 well, they did say something. this is the problem with teaching young people to speak indirectly,, young people are taught , or bullied , to be passive and non-confrontational. they're not taught when it's appropriate to be direct, and confrontational. this is part of a bigger problem with humanity and that's rearing it's head these days.

[@jerrycallo]

My wife asks me those questions when I drive the cart at the grocery store

[@esseaem1451]

I’ll be honest, I feel like I’m internally and maybe even sometimes externally asking these questions when I’m getting in a car with someone I haven’t driven with before. I would probably hope and believe my family wouldn’t do anything dumb enough to kill me in flight, but I have been known to change plans based solely on my gut. If I had been there that morning with all that questioning going on it would have been way too damn much…and I would have just been like, “let me catch y’all tomorrow.”

[@kevinfoley8105]

The informal self-deposition by the pilot sounds like an attempt to ward off potential litigation against him, or to establish groundwork to litigate. In any event I appreciate your analysis of the incident, it was so comprehensive to non-pilots like me and I think you were very kind in your comments.

[@pilot-debrief]

Thank you

[@andydufresne8034]

A 152 emergency landed on a busy beach in my town a few years back and it was caught on video. It came in behind a teenager walking with his back to the plane and the wing hit his head. It's why I'm always saying they should put horns on planes so they can warn people on the ground when they're coming in for an emergency landing.

[@SoloPilot6]

I was taught to fly as far into the crash as possible. Meaning, don't stop flying the plane. This guy stopped flying the plane, that's why they came down so hard. If he had been working on a LANDING, there might have been little damage and no injuries, but he decided that they were going to crash, and was trying to pick a good place to do that..

[@geekfreak618]

Kind of like those who brag about laying a motorcycle down like it is good riding. No, laying down is the last resort. If you kept "your out" chances are you'd never get into that mess. I have had my jeans hem touch the back bumper of a car that pulled out in front of me before while swerving around their back bumper staying upright rather than just hitting the trunk line or laying it down. If you have an inch clearance you have it made IMHO. Never give up trying to save it properly!

[@williamwallace9826]

My grandfather (a private pilot) always said you could land a light plane against a brick wall and walk away from it if you fly the airplane up the the bitter end.

[@keithallen3119]

@@geekfreak618 You hear "I had to lay her down" so many times by the uskilled and uneducated motorcycle riders. Interpretation: I panicked, over braked with the back brake, never touched the front, lost control of the slide and "laid it down". No the bike reacted to poor riding skills and went down with your help. Lay her down crashes, in so many post review cases, could have been close calls with proper braking and swerving actions. Same with flying, ride the ride until the end. Not every crash can be saved, (blind corner head on's for example) but so many others can with comptent riding skills. Based on over 55 years of riding, and skills building through training and practice, I'd say about 95% of riders I observe on street are riding on a prayer and luck, not competence. I try to get away from them so as not to see the likely outcome.

[@ddl5856]

Been a flight nurse for 12 years. Did a year of FW (King Air), the rest all RW (Bell 430, Bell 407, EC 145). Been lucky to have flown with some of the best IFR pilots. To quote one of them - “if a flight was anything other than boring and uneventful, something went wrong”.

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

How much of a difference was flying planes Vs helicopters

[@spandon]

@@MrAdamNTProtester In one there is the possibility that you might be able to glide out of a bad situation, in the other that possibility does not exist...

[@gabekremer7148]

​@@spandon helicopter has a higher crash survivability than fixed wing

[@spandon]

@@gabekremer7148 I can't find any evidence to support that statement anywhere on the web, grateful if you could reason why you say it and maybe evidence your logic/non-logic....?

[@thedeviouspanda]

​@@gabekremer7148Don't think I've seen a helicopter crash with even one survivor minus the one at Grand Canyon a few years back. Usually it's an instant fireball. We even had a helicopter collide with a small fixed wing at a local airport here and surprise, everyone on the helicopter died. Not so for the plane.

[@fteoOpty64]

Dude, you are just the person to do this type of analysis since your background is stellar and you are a very responsible person. Ego needs to take a backseat when lives are at stake. So education and caution needs to be taken seriously.

[@monicamestas7566]

I know absolutely nothing about flying an airplane; but it sure seems like you know your stuff :) And I appreciate that you typically cover these stories in 20 minutes or less.

[@F1fan007]

Excellent debrief and you are 100% correct. Lots of pilots have probably died doing exactly this where they think landing super slow is the best way to live but most stall at an altitude high enough to kill them rather than 5 feet off the ground

[@ryanmcgowan3061]

Exactly. You're not flying into a wall. It's the vertical drops that are deadly. Skimming the ground coming down at 50 fpm, gear-up at 60 mph is arguably not even all that dangerous. You could probably do it 100 times and survive.

[@R.Sole88109]

The way I put it to some seized wing drivers😜 was, on foot would you jump up, put your legs horizontal and land on your ass?, no?, then why stall a 50ft AGL?. They looked like they had an epiphany, haha.

[@WheelsRCool]

If coming in slow will make a stall and crash more likely, than why are so many pilots ignorant of this? Why isn't it drilled into them to maintain airspeed? Is that too much for a basic private pilot licensee to learn?

[@Syncrusan]

As a beginner pilot that literally only just learnt intentional stalls yesterday in a cessna 172N, i heard so many things going off. The stall horn was making me clench with how close he was to the ground.

[@mikoto7693]

I’m not even a pilot-just an AvGeek and merely looking at how low and slow he was going through that valley had me uneasy. Hearing the stall horn so close to the ground made me pucker a bit. My limited understanding of flight suggests that he should have lowered the nose and gotten more power-if possible. Maybe by adjusting the fuel mixture? Either way pulling the nose up during a stall sounds like a bad idea.

[@Syncrusan]

@@mikoto7693 most planes are full rich under 3000ft above sea level. With how elevated they were mixture could be useful in getting more power but the engine can only do so much before you are too rich.

[@mikoto7693]

@@Syncrusan Aye, I was just wondering if he might have accidentally left the mixture too lean. But to be honest if I’d been flying I likely wouldn’t have been flying though a valley that low to begin with. 😆 If a non-pilot can look at that and feel it might be too low then I definitely would have known better as an actual student pilot. I mean, I usually drive my car alone and on the days that I give my parents a lift out to the airport I can certainly feel the extra weight of two additional adult bodies plus two heavy suitcases! I can only imagine how it would have felt to fly a plane that’s heavier than usual! Anyway, I truly wish you well in your studies and flights. I hope you achieve all your pilot goals and dreams. I might have been like you and be taking lessons myself had I been born a little wealthier.

[@danphelps8120]

Rule number one with air travel is never ride in an aircraft operated by someone who doesn't have a commercial pilot's license.

[@jackclements2163]

The doors, unlatch the doors...never heard that before. Thank you for that information!

[@anderstrygg3188]

Excellent analysis with a lot of lessons for pilots. And one for passengers that he didn’t mention: Be very careful who you accept rides from. Not every licensed pilot is someone you want to entrust with your life and the lives of your family. Not only did this pilot operate in a way that dramatically increased risk, but his “debrief video” revealed some fundamental misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.

[@laurasalo6160]

Agreed. Im not even a pilot but i understand the laws of physics and the components of flight better than this pilot does. Wow.

[@edadan]

I'm an engineer and have worked with lots of people over the years who had advanced engineering degrees...but they were not good engineers. In the same way, just because you have a pilot's license, that does not ensure that you are a good pilot. I also have a pilot's license and have flown with people who never should have received their license. Best thing that could happen to this guy and his family is that the FAA (permanently) revokes his license.

[@jasono2139]

I'm not sure how old you are, but schools are now more or less churning out "engineers", and the rigor certainly doesn't seem high enough to weed out those who don't belong. Even from my own education, it has been disappointing the amount of time that was spent doing all kinds of theoretical problems with almost no focus on industry/engineering standards to the point that nobody graduating had ever had to size a single fastener or knew about various sizes or the reason for picking one material over another. I have worked UNDER an "engineer" supervisor in the past who literally couldn't solve a basic algebra problem. These problem have only been getting worse with the focus shifting from competency to DEI.

[@jasono2139]

@LittleJoes that depends on how the other high schools setup their math curriculum. I took Precalc as a Junior and Calc as a Senior in HS... I was then told I should retake Calc in college because "It's much harder than high school Calc!" (this was false... we learned ONE topic that wasn't covered in high school, everything else was the same). Otherwise, it depends on which college you're touring... not all programs are equally good, as not all professors are equally good. I'd look into how students rated their professors online if you'd like to know how good a program is. Some of the professors I had could have just as easily been replaced by the book they were making us use.

[@jasono2139]

@LittleJoes if you can get through the first 5 chapters in Calculus: Early Transcendental Functions 4th Edition by Larson Hostetler Edward's, that's essentially "college level" Calculus. That book alone covers Calc I, II, and III. Unless your son struggled with Calculus in high school, I can't see any reason to repeat it in college as he'd just be wasting time (albeit boosting his GPA if the course is easy). I went to Penn State and GA Tech for graduate school... in retrospect though, Penn State doesn't have the best student body and some professors were rather middling while GA Tech has fairly lousy facilities (in an ever worse area)... which I choose because my "love interest" went there! I would try to check out any college ranked in the top 20 for his engineering discipline, then decide based on how he likes the campus and what he thinks of the faculty. I'd also put more emphasis on hands-on / co-op learning opportunities as that's a better way to grasp what he really needs to learn to do real engineering.

[@WheelsRCool]

If you take Calc in high school with a graphing calculator and the university forces you to learn it without the graphing calculator, you should retake it IMO.

[@WheelsRCool]

One problem is lots of mechanical engineers are not taught GD&T (Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing) and so don't know how to make prints or read prints properly when they get into industry. GD&T can be difficult to really learn and some engineers just get a one week course then wonder why they all interpret the same print differently when GD&T is supposed to be an Iron Law regarding print reading, meaning they should all understand it the same. Many engineers also do not get training in DFMA (Design for Manufacturability and Assembly), also known separately as DFM and DFA. They instead have only been trainee to design for functionality, and part functionality is but one element of product design. It must be designed to be manufacturable, easy to assemble, easy to maintain, supply chain in mind, etc...

[@MILD-BILL]

AWESOME BROTHER !THAT WAS INTERESTING AS HELL !

[@xlasingx-1]

..this is the best flight channel i have witnessed.. ..salute, from a fellow vetran..

[@philbarnes3253]

If that's a view of his fuel status on takeoff of 20 gallons in the left tank and 10 gallons in the right, my first thought about the cause of an engine failure would be fuel starvation because the pilot didn't switch tanks.

[@pilot-debrief]

The video shows him selecting the left tank right after that screenshot when they are on the ground. Never shows anything after that.

[@LSVFlachkurbler]

I do not agree that you should give this pilot any credit on his landing. He stalled, which is basically ALWAYS the worst thing to do. And even in the aftermath, he does not understand that slowing down the aircraft below stall speed if you are higher than 20 feet is the worst option. They could have easily landed with minor damage to the plane with a normal flare procedure.

[@pilot-debrief]

In terms of giving him credit…I figure at least he didn’t go into complete panic mode and crash them in the water. 🤷‍♂️

[@banjo2019]

@@pilot-debriefFair point. It should be noted: That front passenger sustained very serious injuries. I believe he’s now permanently disabled.

[@LSVFlachkurbler]

@@pilot-debrief well beeing a glider pilot with 3000h on sailplanes and maybe 1000h on motor planes I do not understand why it is so difficult to honor the most important thing in these situations: Fly the plane ! Accident survival stats show, that even a controlled flight into the woods is better than stalling. Horizontal speed is better than vertical speed. I already had to even bailout on my glider after another glider hit my plane, so I can tell you something about stress in these situations. Unfort. I lost my GoPro during the crash, would have been interesting for your channel...

[@MrMonoTracer]

Fly the aircraft into the crash as long as possible…

[@spiller212]

@@LSVFlachkurblerbailing out must be one hell of an adrenaline rush! And I don’t mean that in a positive way. Thankfully you made it out safe!

[@TheDigitalThreat]

"We might flip over" Thanks, Captain confidence!

[@LegioXIVGemina]

The pilot, during his statement, keeps touching his face, a clear indication of dissembling.

[@Bluelightning23]

I could just see the FAA official watching his video and saying, "Hmm, hmm," "Oh, is that right?"

[@same5952]

I was thinking the same!

[@nuuukethewhales]

I'm not a pilot, just a passionate flight-simmer who only learned enough to get off the ground, navigate a bush trip and get back down again. Took me a lot of crashes before I learned that low and slow never really works out when there's no immediate way out. I'm still an aviation dummy but I always learn a whole lot from each of your debriefs, and now I'm going to go find a nice hot high-altitude strip to go try out and see how differently my plane reacts. Thanks for the facts!

[@aaronbrown6266]

Try KLXV on a summer day.

[@jj4791]

Read "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langwiesche. Even flight simmers have much to gain from that book.

[@davidclark39]

Use the simulator to go to a high altitude and practice some slow flight and stalls by flying slow and pulling up gradually. Hear the horn, keep pulling.... and when it stalls, nose down to re-gain airspeed. it will give you a better feel for the stall horn vs actual stall speeds.

[@boomerang_911]

This is crazy! But I really love every video that has the message “everyone survives“!❤

[@kennethgraham3828]

Love your enlightening assessment video critiques❤❤❤❤

[@animal9432]

I was taught in the Navy that practice makes perfect. It's not enough to know how to fly a plane, but you must thoroughly think through all of the potential scenarios and how to deal with them in relation to your emergency procedures. You have to practice PELs, approach turn stalls, unusual attitudes, etc. - at altitude - so that if the time ever comes that you have to do it for real, you can calmly aviate, navigate, communicate.

[@msromike123]

Realistically, that aircraft requires periodic refresher training with a CFI. If you can't afford that, then you have no business flying it. My dad had one, and it was amazing. But you always had the underlying feeling that it would bite you in the ass hard if you didn't show it respect.

[@theianmce]

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

[@K1OIK]

PELs,?

[@brax2364]

Excellent commentary on this incident. I’m reminded about way back in the early ‘70s when I was a primary student pilot there was a prominent sign on display at the FBO which read, “Always maintain thy airspeed or the ground shall rise and smite thee.” And it was very common to hear the following on a marginal VFR or IFR day. “It’s much better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air rather than being in the air wishing you were on the ground.” That being said, the FAA has their minimums but my personal minimums are established much higher. Exa, FAA says I gotta be able to fly to my destination and if an alternate is required I must be able to fly to my alternate and have 45 minutes fuel remaining after that. My personal minimums are such that if/when I reach my alternate I have 1.5 hrs fuel remaining in the tanks after I get the plane tied down. And you will never see me intentionally flying low down mountain canyons. In mountainous terrain I apply IFR rules even though it might be VFR and I need 2000 ft alt and 4 NM lateral above the highest obstacle.

[@barbarachambers7974]

Update: the pilot and the man in front sustained major injuries but seems to have recovered from them. They went back later and spoke to a man who was there and called 911. His buddy didn't want to do this, by the way.

[@J_Analytics]

these videos never fail to be absolutely amazing in captivating my attention

[@user-pt1cz4ot1e]

Man, you are just so reasonable when talking about anything that could possibly go wrong. If I were in an emergency in the air, you’re who I’d want to be flying. 🥰

[@marvinpreston6819]

Just discovered this channel - another retired Air Force guy here (Public Affairs). Watching this from that perspective, having documented countless aircraft mishaps in my career, this is quite fascinating.

[@pattyhaley9594]

Great assessment!

[@B757767Driver]

Nice explanation of the accident sequence.

[@michaelmcmanus5196]

WOW!!! The Feds love when not only a video of a crash exists, but an accompanying self disclosure video of a statement by a pilot. Lots of mistakes for others to learn from and avoid.