How to OVERCLOCK AMD's amazing Ryzen 7 9800X3D to 5.5GHz!

[@CrazyTechLab]

Timestamps below Buy Links to hardware used in this video MSI MPG X870E Carbon WiFi - amzn.to/3ZoW40I AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D amzn.to/3V5xSOw Kingston 32GB 6000 DRR5 EXPO memory - amzn.to/3ZoW40I Kingston Fury M.2 SSD - amzn.to/413fGbW Nvidia RTX 4090 - amzn.to/4eLLxB9 MSI 850W Power supply - amzn.to/4fPnnqY Check out my Amazon shop with all the best products! 👉 www.amazon.com/shop/antonyleather Links to software you need CPU-Z www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html AMD Ryzen Master - www.amd.com/en/products/software/ryzen-master.html Cinebench R23 www.techspot.com/downloads/7579-cinebench-r23.html If you found my videos useful you can always buy me a coffee! 👉www.buymeacoffee.com/crazytechlab www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=P8PHVM6V3UAQS Subscribe: bit.ly/2QYAZK9 Instagram: instagram.com/crazytechlab Facebook: facebook.com/CrazyTechLab Twitter: twitter.com/antonyleather Timestamps 0:00 Intro 2:03 Software you need and thermal check 7:17 Using Ryzen Master/Auto overclocking 11:29 Manual overclock 15:29 Overclock game and Cinebench results 15:55 Apply settings in the EFI/BIOS for long term overclock 17:56 Conclusions0:00 Intro 2:03 Software you need and thermal check 7:17 Using Ryzen Master/Auto overclocking 11:29 Manual overclock 15:29 Overclock game and Cinebench results 15:55 Apply settings in the EFI/BIOS for long term overclock 17:56 Conclusions

[@aaronhope_]

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[@tommyhatfield2882]

Nice video. I just put together a 9800x3d with the MSI x870e Carbon wifi. Thanks

[@parthanandi9991]

Very nice basic intro to overclocking, very helpful to someone like me who is getting onto AMD platform for the first time. And it is doubly helpful since I picked up the same motherboard with the same processor. Thanking you.

[@CrazyTechLab]

Welcome! Exactly what I was hoping to achieve. Plenty of more efficient and slightly more complicated ways to do it, but it's a first step.

[@ZomgZomg007]

This is nice, but I also recommend trying +200 and pbo curve drop. I have about 24.5 r23 multi at a lot less heat due to drop of power.

[@eric7591]

What were able to reach in pbo? I've only gone down to -25 all core so far, kind of nervous to go farther.

[@slackary8563]

@@eric7591there’s nothing to be nervous about. The only risk is crashing if you go too far. Your cpu will not be damaged by a negative curve optimizer. If anything it is easier on the cpu because it’s lower voltage.

[@michaelnager6059]

You did one thing wrong there, and that is, in the BIOS, don't set "CPU Ratio Apply Mode" to "All Core" but rather set it to "Per CCX" (or in your BIOS it may be "Per CCD") even though it is a single chiplet CPU. This will also give you the same result as you got with Ryzen Master; whereas the setting you showed probably didn't. Other than that, I am very glad to see that the methodology I originally wrote up in my guide to configuring Ryzen CPU five years ago has finally filtered through - well done that man😁

[@KillFrenzy96]

I would be careful with simply applying these settings without understanding that each CPU is different. 5.5 GHz at 1.23v could be stable for some, or not even boot at all others. You should at least include stability testing using like OCCT before applying the settings in BIOS.

[@eric7591]

When I use Ryzen Master, it gives me the option to write to BIOS. Is that not an option with all mobo's?

[@bobvila4381]

Only thing this CPU needs is curve optimizer -30 and done.

[@laggmonstret]

That's how I run mine lol. Love a cool and silent build :D Funny how it uses more power but still runs less hot.

[@Rawberry2]

Same settings applied, doesnt work for me, freeze after 5 second benchmark Did I lose the silicon lottery?

[@WilliamHolmes420]

every chip is different. change your voltage and keep testing.

[@chrisking6695]

Without a couple hours of stress testing with y cruncher, OCCT, Prime95 and the sort I would not call this stable. Also, I think undervolting the CPU yields similar results. Doing that plus setting a higher bclk so the chip can boost higher if necessary can yield better results. Manual OCs are not worth it on these chips.

[@CrazyTechLab]

I agree - I did the hard work so people didn't need to stress test - these settings are very conservative and I tested with prime 95 before doing the video. It was actually stable at much lower vcore than this but I needed something that will be 100% stable across thousands of PCs. I've found undervolting and bclk to be more variable between boards which is what I didn't want to do here. If I get people interested and investigating other methods then it's job done for me :)

[@gringuz7710]

I agree...best way Is pbo negative curve and 200 override. All sample push around 5.4 with safe -20 curve or 30

[@R6ex]

Exactly what I need. Noob here.

[@CrazyTechLab]

Thanks! I want to get as many people interested and know more than a couple of settings often puts people off!

[@sumohax0r]

Same exact motherboard and CPU, Ryzen Master stuck CPU at 5.5GHZ fixed, changing profile, resetting settings, flashing bios. Nothing works, CPU pegged at 5.2GHZ and semi unstable. :/

[@bomberman21321]

Easiest thing to do is set curve optimizer -20 and pbo by 200mhz. It should be stable.

[@sumohax0r]

@bomberman21321 I’ve reformatted windows, reset cmos, flashed bios back to stock. CPU will not stop boosting, it’s fixed at 5.2GHZ now after using Ryzen Master. I even have screenshots last week showing it going down to 2.2ghz when idle but now it’s just pegged, every core stuck. I fear it overwrote firmware on CPU itself.

[@maxelito7590]

awesome video thanks! I guess its pretty much the same with asus mobos on the last timestamps or is it any diffrence? If i do the manual OC and put 5400 what voltage should i have? or is it any point using the manual OCing if i just do 5.4Ghz, should i just use "auto overclocking" if i do 5.4Ghz?

[@CrazyTechLab]

It depends what you want really. It should be roughly the same but sometimes boards apply slightly different voltages so might not be stable. The settings I've used here are very conservative though and designed to work with as many setups as possible. Try using the settings in Ryzen Master first and see how it goes. Auto overclocking got 1-2 cores up to 5.4 but the rest usually sat at 5.2 so it's not ideal for getting the most out of the chip - the manual route would get all to 5.4. It's likely to be enough to see a small boost in games. 5.4 rather than 5.5 will likely need less voltage too but what, I can't say.

[@maxelito7590]

@ copy. what about BCLK? Will the Ghz always stay on the 5.4 for example or will it go down to 4.7 when the system is not in work state? If it stays on 5.4 or 5.5 its weird af

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@maxelito7590 It won't go down no - that's what a manual overclock does. It won't draw that much more power but it's the simplest way of getting more performance. You can use other means such as Curve shaper/optimizer or an offset voltage which is more efficient but that's generally a bit more complicated/needs more settings tweaked and critically is very board-dependant, which is what I wanted to specifically avoid in this video. These settings will work for practically everyone. There are loads of guides out there with the more elaborate methods.

[@sherrydowns4052]

cooler used?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Custom liquid cooling but also tried it with an Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 and got similar results

[@29cjlopes]

Do you find the gains even worth it? This chip is so badass I never need to squeeze more out of it.

[@CrazyTechLab]

I mean it can be tuned to not run any hotter or draw more power. You don't 'need' to, but it's fun and does add fps

[@nerdynumen]

Down for extra frames when it's stable at same power, nice

[@mdjd.8893]

When these “overclocks” are so stable and safe and simple to activate, why not?

[@funtik0609]

Sometimes it’s just fun to overclock the cpu or gpu

[@mdjd.8893]

@@nerdynumen I replied to the original comment not yours

[@kenny000007]

Another user getting 14-15k on my build. Wondering what needs changing here as I start digging. Gets around 14300 if I just fire it up and run it; noticed the process is 'Below Normal' priority when launching. Increasing that to High gets me to around 15800, still far shy of these 20k+ scores. Only change I've made so far on the CPU is to enable X3D Gaming mode which might be all there is to it, but I'll have to start throwing some switches and see if I can climb any. CPU barely hits over 60C when running these tests, so I should have some room to tinker, just gotta figure out where.

[@CrazyTechLab]

Yes it's X3D gaming mode. It disabled SMT so you only get 8 threads and not 16 which will impact multi thread performance. If you disable that you'll be back to normal. Depends whether you games work better with X3D gaming mode or with 16 threads. Best to test your particular games and go with whichever is best

[@kenny000007]

@@CrazyTechLab Confirmed that was it in my case; turned off the X3D mode and got 20.4k on my next run. Still a bit shy from your results, but quite the jump in general. Also made the chip run quite a bit hotter during the run (bumped against 80C) which I suppose makes sense if more of the chip is under load. Appreciate the confirmation on my rambling yesterday! EDIT: Raising the priority of the Cinebench task made it possible to get to 23.3k (at Realtime, 22.8k at High, stock speeds still), so it seems I'm in the right ballpark now to start really boosting some clocks.

[@iain8837]

Any chance of a full BIOS based guide, some including myseld, do not want to use Ryzen Master.

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@iain8837 it’s in there too - the manual Overclock part anyway

[@iain8837]

@@CrazyTechLab I saw that part, change to 55 and set a higher manual voltage. That can not be the only steps to achieve 5.5Ghz in BIOS, what about PBO, - curve, scaler, voltage and thermal limits to prevent overheat?

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@iain8837 Errrm, yes it is. Manual overclock is entirely separate to PBO, curve etc - you do not do them both at the same time. It's manual or something else. This isn't a video about every way to achieve 5.5GHz. It's the simplest way - a first step, especially useful for newcomers. If you input the vcore and x55 multiplier you will get 5.5GHz. Thermal limits are already in place by default in the BIOS.

[@iain8837]

@@CrazyTechLab OK, thanks for getting back to me with the extra info. Cheers

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@iain8837 No worries! Have fun! Any other questions feel free to ask!

[@ParisVi2]

I get 24256 with pbo enabled +200mhz -30 curve optimiser x10 scaler. I get higher with adjusting ram timings.

[@gringuz7710]

I think this Is the way to go...this 9800 Is unlocked but i prefer to keep It with pbo tuned with negative curve. All sample in game reach Easy 5.4 all core ❤

[@dominicsandoval4116]

Do you change process priority to get that score ? Even with my chip at 10x scaler, +200mhz, CO -37, pbo limits to motherboard. LLC at 5. I’m using an Asus Tuf x670e. I score only around 21800/21500.. my temps are staying around 85c max

[@ParisVi2]

@ I’m using an msi tomahawk motherboard, cpu boost in the ez settings is enabled but I’m not sure what that actually does lol. I’ve read that setting cinebench to high priority it task manager details helps. I have expo enabled for my ram and set the soc to 1.05v.

[@ParisVi2]

I haven’t set LLC

[@ZomgZomg007]

​@dominicsandoval4116 sounds like ure having core drop, i think u might want to try '-20

[@DPbuildsNcreations]

Damn mine goes into black screen as soon as I run the test. Does it matter that I don’t have a GPU on it while running test ?

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

We need to adjust oc in bios and ryzen master?

[@samandrewrekdal-marriott8446]

Do you find that 1% lows are worse in games when the 9800x3d is overclocked compared to stock settings?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Nope mine were higher in Cyberpunk

[@wrusst]

Couldn't you add another 100mhz on the 2 golden cores to push ST performance or is that not possible?

[@markosusa5823]

Why does my 9800X3D pulls 1.36V on Vcore, temps are 90C in R23 with aio 360. Power usage is 150W for full duration but speed is only stock 5.2ghz

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@markosusa5823 what motherboard do you have?

At stock settings it is 95 degrees, this is a common problem, but no solution has been found, what is your cooler

[@CrazyTechLab]

7800X3D runs hot but this one shouldn’t. I’m using a 240mm AIO

[@DPbuildsNcreations]

Highest I got with the 1.23 volts was 5460. Should I go up in volts to get the 5,5 or that doesn’t matter ?

[@Ready.A-10C]

Did the manual configuration in Ryzen Master and ran the same test; 15601 pts multi core and 2109 single core. Very strange to get such low numbers on my multicore. Not sure what to do to troubleshoot this. Can this be because of low Mhz on my RAM?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Definitely the same version of Cinebench - R23? Should definitely be in the region of 23-25K. Have you disabled SMT/multithreading using other guides? That will definitely hurt performance here.

[@Ready.A-10C]

@@CrazyTechLab Yes R23.2 I enabled X3D Turbo mode, which disabled SMT.. So that is the reason? I did also try PBO with the +200 and a -20 curve, which gave me 16348 pts multicore , a slightly better score than the 15601 which I got when setting 5500 in Ryzen Master. I am mostly playing DCS in VR, which is 3D..

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@Ready.A-10C Yep if you disable SMT you're only getting a single thread from each CPU instead of 2 (8 cores, 8 threads instead of 8 cores 16 threads) That will hurt multi thread performance which is what you're seeing here. However, it depends what your goal is. Games may or may not work better with SMT disabled. It's usually to allow more power for higher clocks when using AMD's PBO etc. Best thing to do is test with and without in DCS in a repeatable benchmark - get the frame rates and compare them. If you're just gaming it won't matter (unless the game makes use of the extra threads) but content creation performance will take a hit as it will often make use of all those threads.

[@Ready.A-10C]

@@CrazyTechLab Thanks for taking the time to respond, it is much appreciated, I will test both. Can I bother you with one more question? I am also trying to increase the speed of my RAM but can't get it past the bios default of 4800Mhz. I have a 64GB kit (G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32GX2-T), which is in the QVL and EXPO compatible. My board is ROG Strix X870E-E Gaming WIFI and runs the latest Bios. When enabling EXPO it gives me Q-code 15: 'pre-memory System Agent Initialization is started') and won't go any further. The memory is currently BIOS default of 4800Mhz. I tried manually setting it to 6000, 5400, 5200Mhz, but all are giving me the same error. Should I return my RAM kit? Is my board faulty? I am not sure what performance I leave on the table if I can't increase the RAM speed to its max.

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@Ready.A-10C Check the memory voltage is set correctly too. If it's an EXPO kit then it should work fine, especially if it's also on the compatibility list for the board. Can you run a single stick at 6000? Might also be worth disabling X3D turbo mode just in case that's interfering.

[@soupsup8437]

My system crashed running the cinebench stress test and scared hell out of me. Going back to just turning on game boost / PBO in the motherboard Bois. I had to reflash the bios just to get expo to work again….

[@IIHydraII]

Just add more voltage. (if you can cool it)

[@soupsup8437]

@ I can cool it but I don’t want to take a risk of bricking my cpu it’s not worth it

[@IIHydraII]

@@soupsup8437 fwiw mine wouldn't run 5.5 either. Ended up using scatterbencher's curve shaper PBO settings and it's working just fine. Also, voltage (within reason) doesn't kill CPUs, sustained heat/current does. :)

[@devel-rh6hy]

what is gamemode in the bios ? how much you get from auto and your manual ?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Game mode for the 9800X3D disables Simultaneous Multi Threading (SMT) so it knocks the number of threads down from 16 to 8. This can improve performance in some games. However you will also lose multithreading performance - people in the comments say their scores fell from 20K+ in Cinebench to around 15K. But if gaming is most important then it's probably worth it. That's different to an overclock though as afaik gamemode does not affect frequency. Of course you can do game mode and an overclock and you'll get even more performance.

[@devel-rh6hy]

@@CrazyTechLab ty will give it a go :D just wanna do the auto new to amd :D allways had xmp intel for years!

[@devel-rh6hy]

@@CrazyTechLab but what if you use 1440p ? will you gain anything in game mode turned on ? I was thinking just overclokaing auto and expo :)

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@devel-rh6hy You’d gain a smaller amount as there’s more of a demand on your graphics card. The higher the resolution the less the CPU matters.

[@WilliamHolmes420]

@@CrazyTechLab Game mode is for Duel CCD chips with having only a single Vcache on 1 CCD like the 7900x3d and 7950x3d.

[@keeef23]

Nice video. Will this work on any motherboard?

[@CrazyTechLab]

MSI it should be fine, other manufacturers tend to apply higher/lower voltages due to features such as loadline calibration and how they're set so can't guarantee it will be stable on others

[@keeef23]

@ ok thanks for your reply I was going to give this a try on my Asrock riptide X870…. Might give it a miss now tho incase I harm anything 😂

[@CrazyTechLab]

@ Nah you won’t harm anything. If you use Ryzen Master if it doesn’t work out it will reset the overclock when you restart the PC

[@keeef23]

@@CrazyTechLab got ya! I will definitely give this a go then thank you! Subbed aswell 👊

[@solo0071]

Can anyone help me out ? So for some reason im only showing 8 threads and a multi core score of 14000. I reset bios to default and only enabled OPT Performance and restarted. Then I was showing 16 threads and a score of 24000. After doing the 200 boost in ryzen master it forced a restart and when it booted back up it was showing 8 threads again! and 14000 score. Whats Happening? Cant get the 16 Threads back.

[@CrazyTechLab]

Have you enabled game boost mode? You need to disable it. It cuts the thread count from 16 to 8. It’s meant for dual CCD X3D CPUs not the 9800X3D

[@bMedDeg]

Wouldn’t this lock the CPU core clock to max? And if so is this bad for degradation? After I did the steps in the vid my CPU core clocks were locked to 5.5 GHz on Hwinfo. Am I doing something wrong?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Nope that's what a manual overclock does. So long as the temps and vcore aren't too high then it's absolutely fine. However, a manual overclock is a first step. it works and you get more performance but I'd recommend to everyone doing it to then step up and investigate using PBO/Curve optimizer or even just offset voltages instead of fixed voltage. That's the whole point of this video - not to use more than two settings and to keep it simple so they can get to know their way around and see the benefits.

[@ipadize]

why does CPU-Z sometimes crash/get stuck at 67% or so when loading and make my system unusable?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Try opening it first. Sometimes if you're loading the CPU with benchmarks at the same time it can fail to load

[@ipadize]

@CrazyTechLab it does that when its the first program i start after a boot

[@brianghostfury]

Worth trying on x670e?

[@slackary8563]

the only real difference between x670e and x870e is that x870e has mandatory usb4 support. overclocking is not different at all.

[@deadl0cked]

What voltages should I put on 7900x3d to make 5600mhz work stably?

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@deadl0cked Sadly the 7000X3D chips are both overclockable like this as AMD has locked the multiplier. It’s one of the perks with the 9000X3D processors. However you can still use features such as Automatic overclocking and Precision booth overdrive

[@Arkeny-SS]

does that apply to the old 7800x3d ?

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@Arkeny-SS No you can’t overclock that one. It’s one of the perks for the 9800X3D.

[@WaitKlaaw]

My clock speed without doin anything is 5.2 clock speed is that normal? Also getting 1.202v

[@lucasvyner1502]

yes that's the advertised turbo boost ( 4.7 stock). what happens doing these basics though is it holds that 5.2 a lot longer vs throttling back to the 4.7 with heat when under heavy load.

[@azzaftbl]

Hi guys, noob here built a pc after almost a year of research and knowledge. I got a 9800x3d with asus b650 plus wifi, my points I get on cinebench are significantly lower for multi (14722) and single core tests. Is there any specific reason for this? I’m worried I might have done something wrong installing the pc :/

[@CrazyTechLab]

Make sure you do a fresh install of Windows Make sure you have the latest drivers from AMD for chipset/cpu - really important Check your CPU temp. Use Cinebench like I did here, run the multi core test and make sure the temp is below 90'C. If it isn't it could be throttling Make sure your memory is running in dual channel mode (should be if you installed in slots 2 and 4) and also that it's running at the correct speed in the BIOS. I'm running DDR5 6000 memory

[@azzaftbl]

@CrazyTechLab will try the fresh install of windows, otherwise I’ve got all drivers from amd. CPU temps are around 40 on idle and during multi core test it’s at around 65. After doing the auto overclock it was at max 69. Memory is running dual channel at 6000mhz also. Videos are great and super helpful thanks for your work. Earned a subscribe from me!!

[@CrazyTechLab]

@@azzaftblAMD CPUs can be very sensitive to fresh installs - very much essential if you're switching CPUs, especially to an X3D chip. Sometimes clearing out the old drivers works but it's worth trying in your case

[@Katjajaja]

I couldn't get mine to run at 5.5 all core with 1.235 VCore, It crashes the second I start a cinebench run. I suppose my chip must need more juice than yours, you must have a really good sample.

[@CrazyTechLab]

Potentially. If you have an MSI board it might be worth grabbing the latest BIOS too. If it's not MSI then you may need to play with the voltage a bit as they can vary between manufacturers

[@Makaveli6103]

Undervolting?

[@CrazyTechLab]

Technically yes as the voltage used here is actually less that what the CPU would reach at stock speed. However, the manual overclock locks in that voltage so it might run slightly higher than the stock CPU when idle (it was actually 1.2V in the BIOS idle, but 1.235V was the OC voltage)

[@Makaveli6103]

@CrazyTechLab no. Have you used the undervolting option in PBO option?

[@Shadow_banned_by_YouTube]

5400MHz failure at 1.35v 🤷‍♂️??

[@TheBrandonAF]

I would not be going over 1.3 honestly. Make sure you're setting the voltage correctly or reset CMOS and try again. 5400 @ 1.35 means you tanked the silicon lottery unless the issue is your memory.

[@MexicanBatman]

you can get 200+mhz and a undervolt with same cinebench score

[@maxelito7590]

you mean with the manual OC? how did you do it? you set 5400 and what voltage? :)

[@MexicanBatman]

@maxelito7590 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWnYdpmcpZp7nK8si=89jc4UnDyNetUUwV i followed this guide it worked wonders although x3d turbo mode is and optional

[@maxelito7590]

@@MexicanBatman Aprciate it, thanks!

[@MexicanBatman]

@@maxelito7590 go like curve -15 pbo first (make sure its always negative never positive) and build up higher not everyone can get it stable -40 like he can in the video

[@maxelito7590]

@@MexicanBatman any reason to turn off x3d turbo? the problem is that im gonna use a ROG strix B650e-f mobo, gonna be hard to find everything cuz of the layout of the BIOS

[@Ben-pp7bo]

lol I just did this and my computer bricked 😂😂😂

[@Ben-pp7bo]

Yeah I just shit bricks for like 10 minutes I had to remove my board battery

[@aaronhope_]

Sir Do you have discord?

[@DPbuildsNcreations]

Highest I got with the 1.23 volts was 5460. Should I go up in volts to get the 5,5 or that doesn’t matter ?

[@turkwarrior2]

i would go higher