Pimax Sync 2024: Crystal Super, Light & Prime

[@PimaxVR]

Join the discussion here: discord.com/invite/sjemr8URhn

[@piotrj.8251]

this ivitatation doesn't work

[@lukeb5905]

​@@piotrj.8251Works fine

[@honcoop283]

@@piotrj.8251 works for me

[@GigaBant]

I think the best choice for me would be 50ppd with a viewing angle of 135, I think the difference between 50 and 57 will be less noticeable than the difference between 120 and 135 degrees, with a larger viewing angle the immersion is felt more, you are doing a great job guys, and also a good idea to sell for 999uе and then pay the rest, since in my country when sending I will pay less taxes for customs clearance

[@vincentsantucci2478]

Completely agree and I think 90% of customers would also agree. So this would mean either shelling out another $400 to get that option or waiting until sometime in 2025 for MAYBE a version that comes with that stack as standard.

[@SweViver]

I definitely see a difference between 57 and 50ppd. Been testing both the past week in Shanghai. So far, my favourite is 57ppd 😊

[@vincentsantucci2478]

@SweViver I'm sure there is a difference but I think most people would take the extra 15 degrees FOV any day of the week.

[@crimsom2977]

still trying to get my pimax headset to turn on consistantly 3 years in.

[@SenorSchnitz]

@@SweViver any other thing you can tell us? Sweetspots? Distortions?

[@RaffaelaRigby]

Hurry and send out the best review units to the paid KZbinrs!

[@yoyo57575757]

Is this the Pimax 12K QLED? One that has Trade-in Program " We're pleased to introduce our trade-in program for the flagship 12K QLED headset, designed to offer our valued customers an opportunity to upgrade seamlessly. Here are the details: Eligibility The following headsets purchased through Pimax-associated retailers qualify for trade-in: Pimax Crystal, Crystal-Sim, 5K Plus, 5K XR, 5K Super, 8K, 8K Plus, 8K X, and Artisan."

[@alexandertissen2433]

i need a headset that works, not member services

[@SweViver]

You get the headset cheaper with subscription. Why wouldn't it work?

[@SuperDre74]

No you don't get the headset cheaper with subscription. In the end you're out just as much, and in the meantime you probably are only able to use it for the first year, after that it'll be dead or broken..

[@NovaGeddon771]

These guys have forgotten about the wide FOV lens for the original Crystal. They even asked us for more money for this lenses which a lot of us paid and yet they don’t want to work on them. Come on guys! Finish what you started.

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

They never worked!!

[@tonyzaycev77]

forget about )))

[@zealengine]

Why focus on their one competitive advantage (wide FOV) when they could give us a barely noticeable clarity boost and a monthly subscription nobody asked for?

[@JohnnyADi]

That is a way BIGGER HMD, just like the vrgenieers XTAL 3. How the hell are they going to fix that into the smaller form factor, smaller form factor at 135° EVERY DAY of the week, the old design was way too big and a massive reason I looked the other way. This form factor is similar to the Valve Index which is the second most popular and by far most praised HMD ever made by average vr users.

[@leteckesimulatory]

Pimax 😂

[@farmertrueVR]

Looking forward to seeing what lies ahead for Pimax and VR! Really enjoy my Crystal/Crystal Light. Ready for the Super QLED!

[@SweViver]

Super is a big update from Crystal and Light, I've realized that this week. Even more when you go back to Light after a few days with Super 😅

[@farmertrueVR]

@SweViver cheers! That is great to hear. And after seeing your FOV measurements on the Discord for both QLED panels, it should be a noticeably larger improvement on all aspects! Lets go!

[@carniv0rous]

I'm excited for pimax super...but you guys really need to work on your quality control, listening to some quality control horror stories

[@agahnim90]

I'm quite hyped by the 50 PPD + 135 HFOV ! But this will be only an add-on from orginal 57PPD😢. I'd prefer buying 50PPD option alone

[@danceoffAsh]

Based on history, it will most likely be 57 PPD version as the flagship. Pimax can't handle multiple SKUs, their QC crumbles the moment they offer two or more products at one time. People who ordered those wide fov lenses on the OG Crystal still haven't got theirs and the product isn't up to par. They've moved on.

[@agahnim90]

@danceoffAsh that's true, sadly. But still I wish they could improve and offer Crystal Super with 50PPD/135HFOV as a separate product. I don't really want to buy lenses or optical system I'll probably never use...

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Pretty sure the 50ppd will be an option by itself, they already confirmed the microOLED is an option by itself

[@agahnim90]

@@HeadsetHistorian I hope so, but then what are the 399 USD referring to 🤔?

[@xinjin5427]

There will probably no 50ppd 135 fov at all at the end of the day, the same happened to to crystal larger fov

[@emmanuelkolawole6720]

Why is pimax build quality so bad. I am on my third replacement

[@calvin7799]

What exactly happened? Which model?

[@teemusuninen789]

I am still waiting for wide fov lenses for pimax crystal that I was promiced 2y ago

[@Jafarnld]

So nothing about the wide FOV lenses that you promised 😤😤

[@tonyzaycev77]

forget ))) they sells VR Super and forget about previous promises

[@calvin7799]

@@tonyzaycev77 We made a promise, and we'll keep it.

[@marc_svsengineering4319]

Awesome, glad you came out with another VR headset. How about making this one work seamless without connection issues or having to deal with one lens not working, flashing lenses, battery not charging and not having to constantly resetting the connections and software to get it to work. Maybe make it work like a monitor where just a simple connection to your Video Card and no software involved will work, software can be used later to adjust or implement those special features you have such as PPI, pass through, IR tracking etc. You can forget the subscription...nobody in their right mind is going for a subscription.

[@L33R1C3]

Awesome…you can see the defective aspheric lenses that come with the headset in a new smaller frame. Will make the shipping costs to refund the headset cheaper at least. 😂 I love how they said they shipped the crystal light in time hahaha. That was the first batch of 50 units. Everyone else had to suffer months of delays due to aspheric lense production issues. Ohhh another stat…RMA

[@gizmo104drives7]

we need dmas back in stock! waiting to order for over 2 months with the dmas option

[@SweViver]

Super will come with the DMAS as far as I remember. Not sure about the current stock though for the other models, need to bounce this with the team.

[@dchiller0]

What happened to the 130 degrees horizontal FOV? I think that was stated as being for the 50ppd QLED version - is that coming out later?

[@SweViver]

Yes 50ppd will be 135 and 57ppd is already 120. Measured myself this week with testHMD and FOVs are real indeed. The engineers are still tweaking and improving the 50ppd lenses and profiles, but already now its 130+ from what I have measured myself. All horizontal FOV, of course.

[@christiandoninger5951]

@@SweViverso the crystal super has real 120 degree horizontal? Or only the pimax advised fov like on the normal crystal. There it was so much smaller than advertised

[@Omniwhatever]

@@SweViver That's goddamn awesome to hear. Reaching some incredible FoV numbers for this kind of clarity! Looking forward to seeing what the vertical is at some point but man that's awesome to hear you got those results in testHMD!

[@SenorSchnitz]

"this is going to be the HMD with the highest resolution for at least 3 years" Clear Text: no 12K for 3 years 😡

[@vracan]

who cares about the 12K there is no computer on earth that could run it.

[@ethandearman3965]

​@@vracanyou know the headset wouldn't go anywhere you can change the GPU lmao

[@SenorSchnitz]

​@@vracan the 12K has only 28 percent more pixel than the super. If a 4090 can power a super - a 5090 can power a 12K

[@SweViver]

The resolution is spread over a much wider FOV on the 12K, so the pixel density and PPD is higher on the 57ppd Super. In others words, the perceived resolution.

[@JaapGrolleman]

This doesn't mean that. The 12K will be an extreme-wide FOV headset, whereas the Crystal line is high clarity.

[@therearetoomanytomatoes]

This is so cool! I'll be waiting for the larger fov QLED version in 2025 :)

[@MrRyan83]

confusing pricing structure... so do I need to always pay for pimax play or is it included with the headset?

[@StuartBoyer]

If you pay full price that's it but if you pay just the initial purchase price then you have to make the 24-month pimax play payments too. This is basically like a down payment and monthly payments on a car vs full-out paying for one. Same concept, but making the monthly payment is cheaper than paying for it all at once surprisingly. Once the 24 months is up that's it its all paid for.

[@SweViver]

Thanks for clarifying @StuartBoyer. I couldn't have said it better.

[@kiaser21]

Contrast is king in visuals. Infinite contrast of OLED is where image turns from great to real.

[@SweViver]

You will be surprised with the new QLEDs 😉

[@kiaser21]

@SweViver I'm sure they'll be better than the past, but until those 15 million pixels are backlit by at least a 3 million local dimming zones it's just never going to be the realism of OLED. Going from 500 local dimming zones to 1000 is great until you realize you're still dealing with 15 million pixels.

[@zackmac5917]

100%. This QLED mini-LED is all well and good. Excellent display system. I have no doubt we would be impressed, and I'm sure it's an amazing experience. But still, contrast really is king for visuals. The difference between the two is it makes making the VR world feel truly real (especially for any scene with dark areas). These QLED panels are probably very good for QLED, but it will not come close to micro-OLED in terms of contrast. I think this still offers an amazing alternative, with wider FoV and higher brightness in particular, which is the real benefit of this headset over the "other" 4k x 4k per eye micro-OLED headsets. But that comes at the cost of contrast still (it will, you cannot fake perfect contrast with these mini-LEDs), size and weight. Tradeoffs - but Pimax are doing an amazing job here! And the fact that they're offering a micro-OLED option, is just such a brilliant move. But you can get that size and weight down, in that case.....

[@AlanTruly]

Very informative. I appreciate the detailed specs and comparisons to Vision Pro panels and lenses.

[@SweViver]

We are all VR geeks, you know 😉 Those comparisons says it all.

[@Hwy929]

135 FOV version sounds great. Price is ok. Please do something about the bulk at the back of the head. So many of your users do Sims. Having the adjusters at the back interferes with the back of seat headrests. Makes you tilt your head forward and down and is uncomfortable. I always replaced pimax straps with the vive straps. No preordering for me. I fell for that too many times. I'll wait until actual product is shipping and all the bugs are worked out. I learned from 5k+, 5ksuper, and 8kx. I skipped the crystal family

[@jeremyhofmann7034]

I believe in Crystal Super, Light & Prime because I believe in me

[@iamsomewhere]

What about those of us who already reserved the Pimax Crystal Super - Super bundle, which is supposed to include BOTH the QLED and Micro OLED modules? Is that no longer available?

[@ElitistMagi]

I would like to know this as well, looks like we got shafted...

[@Glerox]

same question I ordered the OLED

[@StuartBoyer]

It's no longer available. I checked, and it's no longer listed. Apparently, they refunded the .99 reservation fee on mine in May when I checked my pimax account. Apparently, that was one month before the June beta test of the new version of the super when they realized they'd have to make changes.

[@iamsomewhere]

@@StuartBoyer Well that sucks. Pimax already has a shady reputation and has done this kind of stuff in the past, so this does it for me. I'm passing... they need to get their $h!t together as a company.

[@SweViver]

I haven't heard about any reservations being cancelled/refunded. I'll need to check this with the team. Sounds odd..

[@lassmirandadennsiewillja3943]

now my stupid 1500$ battery crystal is pretty much useless. batteries dont even charge anymore inside the headset. i wonder if i can buy new ones even if they do not work anymore

[@just_afk14]

It s all cool but i still need 30 minutes to connect my crystal to pc a.k.a error 10500 😂

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Wow, I haven't had that issue in a year. I skip the DP extension thing though, maybe try that?

[@SweViver]

Sounds odd these days. This was a problem in the past, but haven't seen or heard about it for very long. Contact the support and we'll help you out.

[@Jogngood]

Try usbdview to delete obsolete USB devices

[@richardPalmisano]

Where are the wide fov lenses we were supposed to upgrade ? And also the firmware update for openxr in the pimax play ? And you’ll really should try to get motion compensation to be integrated with the pimax crystal.

[@tonyzaycev77]

Some people want 135 viewing angle and 50ppd at once without buying a module 120 and 57. Give us this opportunity. Thanks.

[@SweViver]

57ppd is more optimized at this point and 50ppd is still being tweaked and improved, so thats mainly why the 57ppd bundle releases with the Super, to begin with. And its real horizontal FOV, i can confirm after doing lots of tests this week.

[@natecontarino1748]

I just got a crystal light, base stations, knuckles, studioform headstrap, prescription lenses, and dongles (faceplate is out of stock). My Pimax play version 1.35 does not have an option to switch to lighthouses. Controllers/stations are on and working but won't calibrate in Openvr Spacecalibrator and remain offset by about 3 feet. Almost $2000 into this and I have a worse setup than my $300 Pico 4. They clearley are trying to force people to buy the faceplate even though they don't even have them in stock. The last thing I want to do is give them even more money. The Pimax controllers jitter all over the place and my knuckles are sitting on the shelf. Fxck Pimax. I will never purchase a Pimax product again. Fxcking sleaze bags.

[@calvin7799]

Have you double-checked the faceplate installation and port connection? If you're still experiencing issues, please submit a support ticket. Our tech team is ready to assist you.

[@natecontarino1748]

@@calvin7799 If you can read you can see that I can't get a faceplate because they are out of stock and have been for a long time. I was searching for a workaround and everything I found was about people having problems with the faceplate so I won't be doing that. This unit is defective and I will not trust this dishonest company anymore and send them another $200 for another thing with known problems. The headset tracking floats around slightly. I was willing to deal with that but the controllers will jerk around when trying to aim on something making it useless. And yes I've tried everything. At first I decided in Pimax's favor and spent another $600 on index controllers and base stations rather than return it. And then $100 for Steamvr USB dongles until the faceplate is back in stock. I will eat the $800 I spent of the lenses, head strap kit, controllers and base stations and return this POS. Falling for Pimax is a nightmare. They cherry pick units to send to KZbin reviewers to fool consumers then knowingly send consumers QC rejects. That's the textbook definition of a scam. I used to think they were trying but just failing. It is not. It is deliberate and it's been happening since the company started.

[@natecontarino1748]

@@calvin7799 Oh so you deleted my response to this. One of the worst companies I have ever dealt with.

[@natecontarino1748]

This is the response they deleted. They want to keep the consumers fooled and unaware so they keep buying the defective products. That proves that they know and are intentionally misleading consumers. If you can read you would know that I can't get the lighthouse faceplate because they are out of stock and have been for a while now. I have tried everything. The headset tracking floats around a little but I was willing to deal with that. However, the controllers jerk around when trying to aim at things. This makes the whole unit useless. This is a defective unit. I decided in Pimax's favor and spent an additional $600 on Index controllers and base stations. I also spent $100 for Steamvr USB dongles to hopefully find a workaround until the lighthouse faceplate is in stock. When searching for "lighthouse tracking pimax", every response I got was people having problems with the lighthouse faceplate. I will not be giving them more money for something that will also have issues to use on my headset that has issues. I cannot use the Steamvr USB dongles because Pimax has removed the option the select lighthouse tracking in the Pimax client software in order to extort consumers into buying the lighthouse faceplate. I will eat the $800 I spent on the prescription lenses, Index controllers, two base stations, studioform headstrap kit, and Steamvr USB dongles and return the useless headset. The Crystal was Pimax's chance to redeem themselves but they dug themselves deeper. That was your chance. They cherrypick units to send to KZbin reviewers to fool the consumer then send QC rejects to consumers. That is a textbook scam. Pimax is a nightmare.

[@tomc1380]

I have tried lots of different top strap adjustable clamps and have still always found that a simple front to back top strap works best, for me anyway. Hopefully this will be an included option with the Super. I'm looking forward to my preordered Super OLED (not QLED) with pancake lens. Thanks for your update.

[@SweViver]

Totally agree. Yes it will be included.

[@cptairwolf]

Bravo Pimax!! You guys are just disrupting the entire VR market with all these stellar products. Any possibility of an upgrade program for us Crystal Owners that want a Super?

[@RJ-kr4bs]

They said a few months ago (and repeated in this video) that existing Crystal owners will receive a $400 discount on the Super, no trade-in required. I believe this is for OG Crystal only, not the Light.

[@SweViver]

Yes thats correct, 400usd off for all Crystal owners, not including Light. But no trade-in program.

[@CsabaÉltető]

Great news that you managed to improve your production quantity to fill up the warehouses, hopefully it goes hand in hand with quality control as well. Sadly there are many of us out there who purchased the PCL late summer and had a batch of units with manufacturing flaws - bad lenses, panels, broken tracking, etc. We are still waiting for replacements, experiencing ignorance and promises only from the support side. I understand that new sales are more in focus, but alowing people to get stuck with broken hardware for 10+ weeks is really breaking the trust for new purchases - and bad marketing/PR too (despite that it isn't that loud compared to VR youtubers). I wish you luck to overcome this part of your business model as well and hoping to recieve my replacement parts soon and finally have some good experience with Pimax!

[@Squawking1200]

Too many user complaints for me to make this investment.

[@Simmymind360]

ok..im frustrated!! are you telling me that we have to pay a prescription for Pimax Play??

[@SweViver]

You can, but you dont have to. You can preorder the Super without the membership plan. Check the video again 😉

[@Simmymind360]

@SweViver it's an honor especially from you, I have followed you for a long time and thank you for the response..ooh ok

[@jonasfogelberg9300]

Bought the 8kx a couple of years ago (3) with the promise of getting a cash back on the 12kx the coming year. What is that promise worth? Not sure I trust Pimax.

[@calvin7799]

Details of the trade-in program will be released soon. We have a meeting scheduled to finalize the details.

[@drakhonis]

You can be sure NOT TO trust them...

[@aprile1710]

Not interested if you are required to have an online connection to use it which I believe is the case.

[@Lol4evry1]

Happy with the progress!!! Cant wait to get my hands on one!

[@channelvr1293]

It's not all roses, but at least the prices are correct. That's a start. 🎉 . I'm happy with my Cristal for now. Probably buy the super somewhere in February. Going for a RTX5090 first 😊

[@AL.farmlife]

i dont know how could be this good for sim racing with low FOV!???

[@Boss_VR]

PCVR ❤🎉 pimax super

[@maedderapp]

Pimax 120° FOV or real 120° FOV?

[@JaapGrolleman]

It's real, let's see with reviewers.

[@sebastianecke8674]

@@JaapGrolleman the reviewers never talked about the very poor build quality. i don´t care about reviewers.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

​@@sebastianecke8674Quality assurance do you mean? Because personally I think the build quality is totally fine, as do pretty much all reviewers (hence you don't see reviewers call it bad, cause it's not).

[@SweViver]

Real 120 horizontally, confirmed 😊

[@Jogngood]

You guys need to add to your website a serial check. So ppl can see if subscription is still active. This would allow secondhand purchases problem free

[@damarbraz6852]

When will the Lighthouse faceplate be available ?

[@PaddyPatrone]

No edge to edge clarity totally offsets high pixel count. Whats the point of letting your gpu running hot and still having blurry corners? Makes no sense.

[@SweViver]

Who said the corners were blurry? 😊

[@csammy123]

They need to put in timestamps. I'm really only interested in news on the OLED version.

[@jamesjones4791]

And still can't get the faceplate.

[@dsjf]

hope DP 2.1 pimax super

[@Dachopper_]

Will be 1.4

[@SweViver]

DP 2.1 would not even be compatible with todays Nvidia 4xxx GPUs, so thats a big no-no. Super uses DP 1.4.

[@Dachopper_]

@ 2.1 is fully backwards compatible

[@SETHalpine]

Pimax is unable to buy this kind of controller....Instead they will use bigger ratio of compression ( and latency) to comply with DP1.4 limitations ...Thanks Nvidia....

[@vracan]

been waiting for the super for years now. This what I've been waiting for to upgrade from my pimax5K+. The FOV in normal crystal does not do it for me being used to the 5K+ of 140deg for 5 years now I aint going backwards now. Although, I wish they would concentrate on the 50ppd 135deg FOV more than the 57ppd 120FOV.

[@SweViver]

The 8KX has 165-170 real FOV horizontally at Large and 140 at Normal FOV. The Supers 50ppd horizontal 135 FOV is basically on-par with 8KX's Normal FOV mode. Very small difference, after all.

[@Nvidia-Lover]

Can't believe human retinal vr is already here. I feel lucky.

[@SweViver]

Yep, its insane!

[@platoscave_vr3877]

Hurry up Valve

[@yeshuasmc7436]

I'm worried about the WiGig, because the Crystal Original doesn't even seem to be in production. I already have one, but if someone new was to attempt to get a Crystal OG for the best wireless... what would Pimax say: "Should've bought one at launch, now all we build is Supers and Lights". The followup Pimax is scary. Are you even ordering new XR2 chips to continue production on Original Crystals, or is there a conversation about a lost contract that you are kicking down the road. Please share.

[@augustinaskukta6203]

Damn why I watched this tonight.. can't sleep right now..

[@glenfoxh]

I have the HP Reverb G2, as my upgrade from the very old Oculus Rift Gen1. I have been waiting for a headset like the Pimax Crystal Super 57 PPD QLED headset to replace my HP Reverb G2. Not only does it look like the best headset to be out to date, but is also quite affordable, compared to anything else that is close to it. Some costing up to $5,000 or more. O.O Would wait for the 12K, but I have a bad feeling that will not be out till 2030 or later. If you don't use two fiber optic cords coming from two 5090 RTX GPUs to the headset. And I don't want to wait that long for the 12K. The Pimax Crystal Super 57 PPD QLED will be good enough for an upgrade, so long as it is as good as advertised. Is my hope it will be.

[@ImPrather]

ahh yes me staring directly at the sun because its so comfortable on my eyes 17:52

[@brackets6127]

Its not about the hardware, its about the support when it goes wrong kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6nTh4Gud5asiZosi=Q3tSourzyJ1U4r6i

[@dgkimpton]

Sounds good - but please please please get a team working on high-resolution passthrough video. It's an absolute killer feature from an accessibility standpoint.

[@Thephilpw99]

Pass-through features work better with a mobile platform like Quest 2/3, but they're much more difficult to implement with a PCVR system. Crystal Light is a success because it trims down features that's not necessary for PCVR. Adding passthrough to Crystal Super is like going backward again. For people who want passthrough features, Meta and Apple's headsets are much better suitable candidates.

[@SETHalpine]

@@Thephilpw99 In march 2025, will arrive the Samsung headset with 4kX4k, inside out tracking, XR2+, passtrough and cheaper ( Some says around 1000$) As samsung build Display port 2.1 controller video , they can make a headset with almost no compression in PCVR mode.... Pimax is unable to buy this kind of controller....And will use massive compression ( and latency) to comply with DP1.4....

[@Thephilpw99]

@@SETHalpine Samsung has 1000 times the money and resource over Pimax. The fact that they can do 4kX4k headset with passthrough, doesn't mean Pimax has to follow suit.

[@SETHalpine]

@@Thephilpw99 What I meant is: who will buy Pimax with its bad reputation against the steamroller that is the Samsung Google Qualcomm association, especially if the price is indeed $1000 And not to mention the fact that Samsung is one of the few companies that develops DP2.1 video controllers, a huge advantage if they want to close this technology to others... Although I think they will prefer wireless or streaming for their headset. Streaming which can be very efficient against the limitations of DP1.4 at such resolutions

[@HuntressMedia]

Thanks for the updates! Great video. Just my opinion (and I wish it was more people’s as well): you don’t need to do a two camera angle setup for talking head when you’re addressing us. Just keep a shot with you talking to us. Adds nothing but distraction when it cuts to a side angle of you looking ahead when you’re talking to us. We like you! Don’t need a 2nd angle. Who started this and thinks it’s needed these days? Sorry just a pet peeve of mine 😊

[@T4RG4]

It helps the edit, so you can combine multiple takes and don't have to nail the delivery perfectly all of the time

[@HuntressMedia]

@ don’t agree but ok. b-roll, cutaways, and (another peeve haha) jump cuts are all options.

[@T4RG4]

@@HuntressMedia I think it's just a bit extreme here (the distance between the camera positions) and therefore more distracting. But still a high quality video.

[@Ryorr]

Which is the resolution to archive 1:1 resolution after barrel distortion?

[@SweViver]

I'll let you know in the coming days and weeks since I'm heading home with a Super unit for evaluation and further testing!

[@Glerox]

OLED or pass! Dont they try to fool me. So what happens with my Super OLED preorder?

[@SweViver]

We'll keep you updated, its coming of course.

[@MrStrosty]

I’ll waiting until the VR flight sim guy gets it in his hands.

[@proffmongo]

IF YOU BUILT A CRYSTAL THAT WAS AN INDEX REPLACEMENT FOR $699.00 I WOULD BUY ONE & PROBABLY ALL THE INDEX OWNERS TOO. WHY WOULD I WANT TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY ON CRAPPY CONTROLLERS & A STEAM COMPATIBLE MODULE?

[@mururoa7024]

Is the Super the new name for the 12K ?

[@TOTFAHRER]

No, 12K will have double res an 200 fov.... See you in 5 years

[@ramonzaions7522]

PLEASE!!! STOP SENDING TO THE MARKET CRYSTAL LIGTH WHIT INSANE BAD LENS! SOO MANY PROBLENS !

[@SweViver]

There were only one or two batches that had issues with the Light lenses, it's already been resolved as far as I know.

[@SargonDragon]

@@SweViver Then why does reddit still have a continuous stream of new PCL customers getting defective lenses and even getting RMA replacements that are also defective?

[@parsak938]

nice to see we're reaching 60ppd. I wonder if by 2026 we're gonna actually have a 60 ppd vr headset

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Tbh there's not going to be a noticeable difference between 57ppd and 60ppd

[@SweViver]

I do see a difference between 50 and 57ppd but I agree those 3 extra degrees up to 60 wouldn't be a noticeable jump. It's not like 60ppd is some kind of magic "human eye" threshold..

[@parsak938]

@ ye but once someone makes 60 ppd with vertical and horizontal field if view of the human sight, that is going to become the standard for every headset. Because more than that is useless

[@parsak938]

@ sharper in general

[@SumatraXSI5]

There are so many Crystals now I no longer know what Crystal I have

[@ishaan863]

great move with the pricing packages. please keep trying to drop the price even more, good move!

[@reload54]

I'm very interested but waiting to see what the 135 HFOV version will be like, will that eventually be sold as an option with the base unit? While 135 may seem large I'm still using the Pimax 8KX that had a HFOV of 200 so it's hard to come down from that huge FOV

[@SweViver]

The 8KX has 165-170 real FOV horizontally at Large and 140 at Normal FOV. The Supers 50ppd horizontal 135 FOV is basically on-par with 8KX's Normal FOV mode.

[@reptilexcq2]

@@SweViver That sounds great but it seems like most people prefer the 50ppd...is the distortion a problem in 50ppd, how big is the sweet spot? Is that why there is a delay? Any distortion in the 58ppd?

[@StuartBoyer]

Seeing in their Discord now that if you ordered a bundle earlier this year by reservation that placing a new order will cancel your reservation, pimax what are you doing?

[@erickarsten9221]

Where are we at with the 12K ????

[@gizmo104drives7]

really impressed at the price cut! mega work guys! just dont know which version to pre order now!?

[@replacesoundboard]

Do you want bigger field of view? QLED Do you absolutely, positively, want the biggest field of view Pimax offers? 50 PPD version (can you really notice the clarity difference with the 57 PPD with smaller field of view?) Do you value OLED above all? Micro OLED Can't decide? Perhaps get 1 headset with every display panels.

[@ningenadgjmptw9726]

Does 27:35 mean I need to buy 57PPD to use 50PPD? Can I buy only Pimax Crystal Super 50PPD without buying 57PPD when it is released?

[@SweViver]

Initially yes, we'll see what happens later. Its mainly because 57ppd is more optimized at this point and will be ready for first shipments in January. The 50ppd does work but still needs fine-tuning and minor optimisation.

[@FemboyWeebAstolfo]

Will you guys test the Crystal super with different pc specs and see how far we possibly can push this thing? I don’t know if any pc available is even ready for this kind of tech yet. We might not be able to take full advantage of the Crystal super’s insane resolution

[@SweViver]

Yep, absolutely. Thats coming! Been running it on 4070 this week and surprised by the results so far.

[@FemboyWeebAstolfo]

@ Right now I just have the Pimax Crystal Light as my reverb g2 replacement and I’m becoming obsessed with that thing. Those aspherical lenses give the best visuals I’ve ever seen. No more glare or godrays getting in the way of the view. It’s beautiful

[@Szabby999]

And you guys still don't say anything about the most important spec, namely if it is going to be DP1.4 or DP2.1 Of course it will be DP1.4 otherwise you would have started with this.

[@replacesoundboard]

Martin replied somewhere in the comments that it's 1.4

[@Szabby999]

@@replacesoundboard And is DP1.4 bandwidth enough to move nearly 30 million pixels at 100Hz? Maybe this can be an issue even for a 5090 of course, but if you want to build a somewhat futureproof product, I think the question is more than relevant. I am dissapointed.

[@replacesoundboard]

@@Szabby999 Apparently he replied they went with 1.4 because current generation GPU beside AMD only have 1.4, to which someone else replied 2.1 is backward compatible

[@Szabby999]

@@replacesoundboard DP2.1 is with us for more than 2 years now. Which would mean 80 Gbit/s compared to DP1.4 32 Gbit/s. New RTX5000 cards will have DP2.1 ports. Besides DP2.1 is backwards compatible, so you can run a DP1.4 device through a DP2.1 port and reversed (same as you can do with USB f.e.). So no, there is zero reason to stick to DP1.4. However, there must be a reason why Pimax won't use DP2.1 only they don't tell. Which I can not understand anyhow, because in my opinion still sticking to DP1.4 for a high end 29 million pixels/100Hz HMD is just nonsense.

[@replacesoundboard]

@@Szabby999 The strange thing is, Pimax is aware DP1.4 and current GPU are a bottleneck for the Pimax 12K. They even considered using 2 DP1.4 cables as mentioned in a previous video.

[@krizc.3561]

why the numbers never add up, I mean ppd, fov and display resolution!? 120x57=6840 not ~3800 declared by pimax. in crystal we have 2880 pixels divided by 35 ppd results in 82 fov.

[@snipersnake5543]

no 12k?

[@kennymoss7089]

Will you be able to upgrade to the Super from the Crystal Light if you bought outright from the beginning.

[@StuartBoyer]

Can the new super use valve index controllers and I assume you canceled our super bundle preorders as I just checked my pimax login and my account shows you did just that back in May and didn't tell anyone.

[@calvin7799]

You'll need the Lighthouse faceplate (which will be available later). The earlier offer was a reservation, not a pre-order.

[@replacesoundboard]

What's that cyberpunk-looking environment which you used for every Pimax headset demo? Is it publicly available or a Primax exclusive?

[@StuartBoyer]

Aircar, its on steam

[@replacesoundboard]

@@StuartBoyer Thanks!

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

Anything about the crystal is the screens are great the glass lenses are even better but the craftsmanship the parts are only good for a few months and then the whole thing starts falling apart

[@Fayzon_XD]

Thumbs down for the scummy Pimax prime service. You should not have to pay to receive customer service, return options and the much needed new software features what a joke.

[@Fearless13468]

Nice. You have your own factories. I've been waiting for the DMAS speakers and lighthouse faceplate to get back in stock for 2 months now. I definitely plan on upgrading to the Crystal Super sometime in the future.

[@studioNIR]

Looks awesome!!!!

[@fabaskme6653]

Is the 50ppd 135 gov lens a pancake lens or aspheric? When will the 135 fov lens be available? Probably will wait for that.

[@killdano]

The 12 idiots who bought Somnium VR1 might be regretting that right about now.

[@olliebrown89]

I doubt it. They'll actually be able to use it rather than waiting for a product that will never ship anywhere near the date pimax say.

[@Szabby999]

@@olliebrown89 Yes, as they will pay triple the price for Somnium and get inferior specs in every aspect compared to Crystal Super...

[@SargonDragon]

@@Szabby999 Superior specs don't mean much if the product doesn't actually work. That's been the problem with Pimax products in general. I would happily pay triple the price of Pimax for a product that does what Pimax does, but all of it actually works and is stable.

[@Killswitch1411]

​@@Szabby999soon have a headset that won't die in less than a year then be told you're past the warranty and now you gotta pay money. My crystal died after I sold it and it was only 6 months old.

[@adsilite]

thanks for the video. No passthru or hand tracking option for the Super? Regards

[@marktodd4479]

Don’t recommend ever buying pimax. I got the pimax crystal light and never worked. Black screen only. I have a higher level gaming laptop, legion 7 with rx6800s card what they DONT TELL YOU is a direct port to card is required which laptops don’t have. Dp to c adapters don’t work. I was on travel for 2 week return period so stuck with a worthless paperweight. Other KZbinrs are also recommending against. My opinion and my experience, my recommendation. Couldn’t have been more disappointed.

[@user-0oi7etm93r]

Happy to see Martin is still with Pimax 😊 A cheerful person. Waiting to see is how the Super will come along. But before I have to buy 5090, bcs 4090 it's on it knees even with 8KX 😢

[@turbohenk702]

Lighthouse tracking? Great hmd but we need lighthouse tracking. 😢

[@replacesoundboard]

They did mention lighthouse compatible front panel will be available in the future™

[@calvin7799]

The default tracking is inside-out. The LH faceplate is still under development.

[@MrRyan83]

SOLD

[@Glerox]

is there a single game on steamVR that enables dynamic foveated rendering?

[@StekuVideo]

Wide FoV lenses for Crystal forgotten? How nice - what about the coupons we were promised when we decided to wait for Wide FoV instead of the originally offered high PPD lenses? Quietly consumed by Pimax to increase the profitability at the expense of the loyal customers?

[@danceoffAsh]

I guess it's out with the old and in with the new

[@sabirayaz7893]

They announced free shipping promotion for Pimax crystal light two days after I placed my order and won’t honor it for me even though my ordered hasn’t even started processing yet. Yet comparing themselves to Apple, they will never even get close to the type of customer service apple provides. Good luck

[@jonbioe]

Ahhh, all that sounds amazing Pimax - I was so ready to throw my money your way, but I wont be upgrading from my Pimax 5k Super until there's a next gen headset that's 200deg fov.

[@Thephilpw99]

The 50ppd lens has horizontal fov of 135, it's close to the 5k super's normal fov already.

[@jonbioe]

@Thephilpw99 very true. But the 5k Super's wide fov is 200deg. I almost never use my 5kS in normal fov mode. I didn't buy it for high refresh. I bought it for wide fov. Would certainly take the widest FOV over top res and refresh rates any day. Here's hoping the 12k version launches with a wide (greater than 170deg) version! I'd love to see something with that fov, even if it's resolution/refresh is lower.

[@SargonDragon]

@@jonbioe The 5K Super "large" FOV mode is actually 160deg.

[@libertysound8575]

Where is 12k for 599

[@SweViver]

Nobody ever promised the 12k for 599. But its still in development.

[@libertysound8575]

I have to reset my pimax 5k all the time because the headset goes black if you leave it on the table for 6 min do you know why that is? I have 6600xt

[@Sergeant898]

@@SweViver So when the 12K is released, pimax will still honour the trade in scheme, right?

[@calvin7799]

@@Sergeant898 Yes!

[@Daisy-nl8sr]

so excited!

[@Sofian375]

It will look better if you chamfer the edges at the back of the housing main body and not just at the front.

[@jordan8538]

Needs passthrough for mixed reality/AR. Only thing holding me back from pre ordering.

[@Bulkins99]

Ну все. Я пришел, можете начинать😊

[@Panzerlang]

That's funny, I thought the XR4 was the first retina-level headset.

[@zealengine]

So disappointed in Pimax. You have completely squandered your monopoly on the wide FOV market. Your headsets from YEARS ago had a FOV of 200 degrees. And now you want us to get excited about 130? Put someone in a 8KX, then ask them if they would rather have that (a fully immersive, full field of view experience), or a negligible increase in resolution (and feel like they are looking through a narrow scuba mask).

[@HeadsetHistorian]

They never had 200, more like 155 to 160.

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

News flash: No one's going to be able to run a wide FOV headset with high resolution for many years to come. Maybe with rtx 9090?! 😅

[@zealengine]

News flash: People have been running games on wide FOV headsets for years. And that's without any foveated rendering/eye tracking. Wide FOV headsets are also amazing for other things (videos, productivity/design, etc...).

[@zealengine]

News flash: People have been running games on wide FOV headsets for years. With foveated rendering/eye tracking, it would be even better. Wide FOV headsets are also amazing for other things (videos, productivity/design, etc...).

[@SweViver]

The 8KX has 165-170 real FOV horizontally at Large and around 140 at Normal FOV. The Supers 50ppd horizontal 135 FOV is basically on-par with 8KX's Normal FOV mode. Very small difference.