Pinarello Grevil | Fast, But Seriously Overpriced Gravel Bike

[@gabouel]

Gotta love the reviews from Matthew. Detailed, honest, no hype. Good job ! bike looks good, too.

[@bikeradar]

Thanks for watching Samuel. Matthew thinks very carefully about his reviews, so it's great to hear you appreciate them!

[@chrisb75]

Agreed. Loved the honesty

[@RadioSnivins]

I concur. I'd never seen this bastard 'til I just saw 'im.

[@FlyWithMe_666]

Very refreshing, honest review. Even though I think it’s a little too critical take on a bike that seems to be desgined (and priced) for gravel racing and not for Sunday picknick rides, your honest opinion sets this channel positively apart from other channels that just seem to be reading from the promotion material, including all the marketing buzz words. 👍

[@bikeradar]

Thanks for watching Ronny and glad to hear you enjoyed the review!

[@jawaraoconnor]

Ronny Gordon I can’t agree more, so refreshing. Every bike can’t be great and this is a bike, not so great. I love the review...

[@Onthedl81]

Ronny Gordon agreed.... bit harsh review for this bike.

[@chriskoutroulis4531]

Perfecty commented!

[@gasken2182]

At what price point would this frame (not complete bike), become outstanding? I’m thinking of picking one up used. At a used price I think this frame might be quite intriguing

[@djjosseppe]

It is exactly what I want form a gravel bike, it handles amazing and is fast. quick tip, anyone looking for one bike that does it all.....stop looking, its a unicorn. I ride primarily in the Pacific Northwest of Canada/USA, lots of forest roads and singletrack, but not technical. The Grivel eats it all up.

[@on2a]

Love Matthew’s reviews. All information no nonsense. Good job

[@paulbusek7265]

What a great, balanced and honest review - keep up the good work!

[@whatissixtynine]

I agree with the other comments, the honesty in this review is something that keeps me returning to BikeRadar reviews.

[@PerformanceProjects]

$3500 for the Grevil frameset and $5900 for the Grevil Plus Frameset? wow. Just feels out of touch with what a gravel bike is meant to be. I'll stick with my Checkpoint.

[@DilbertMuc]

Well, get used to premium Italian stuff. I guess you haven't seen the price of new Lamborghini frame set. :D))))

[@kevinl6231]

2020: the $3500 105’s are selling before they hit the sales floor. You have to pre order and wait 3-4 months. Best to go to a brick and mortar store and get fitted with a sample. Sizing is tricky because they run large.

[@cup_and_cone]

If BikeRadar says it's overpriced, then it must _really_ be overpriced.

[@ronaldomac4918]

hahaha...........

[@allenh4475]

"It's fast, it's niche, it's really terrible value for money!" Wow, what an honest review! Thank you Bike Radar!

[@1fastsuperclown]

Mathew Allen, great job. A true review, no mincing words, no BS, called a turkey, a turkey. Need more reviewers like this.

[@hiro111]

Detailed and honest review. I do think you're being a bit myopic, racy gravel bikes definitely have a place. For example, come here to Midwestern USA where there's a large supply of (relatively) smooth gravel roads with no traffic and many fast groups to join in riding them. You can get away with a road bike, but something that can fit 40s is even better. I can assure you a bike like this makes sense here, double chainring and all.

[@jeremysweeten2792]

This is such a great review, because it is sooo practical. He highlights everything us normal riders care about. Excellent!

[@ryanho7033]

"19mm internal rim width". When your road bike company makes a gravel bike.

[@tankydavis350]

Matthew and Jack's reviews give me everything I need. Go bikeradar!

[@albertmanzo9510]

Terrific >Honest pro rider review of a new player on the scene!! Super review of Pinarello's Gravel bike! As with all bikes generous speed and agility a must and comfort as the last requirement.

[@monty2078]

Excellent review, one of the best I have ever seen anywhere. As 1 who has several bikes I can honestly say I cant figure out what this bike is for and the price for the spec is ridiculous

[@jen3800]

amazing to see a truly honest and detailed review! i am shocked! very impressed with this review.

[@bikeradar]

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[@HDMI4YAMAHA]

Love the bike!! if you are a road biker with a few trips to gravel areas this is the perfect all-in-one bike! With smaller like 32 wheels will run fantastic on the road and for the eventually lite gravel trip...

[@jeremysweeten2792]

Yes, yes, yes. This bike flys with all rubber, but with a 32 center slick tire, you can fly on all terrain. This bike is built for SPEED, not touring

[@thenerdycanadian7172]

anyone else notice the clutch on the derailleur was off in all of the shots of the bike? even the riding shots...example at 3:07. good job guys

[@nocturnal_walker]

for that money I can get nice road bike, great value gravel and HT MTB bike. really bad value, but looks nice :). I guess it's dedicated to true Pinarello lovers

[@MBdrummer3288]

Where the hell have you been dude? Happy to see you back! My favorite reviewer on this channel.

[@fototropism]

you seem truthful which is rare these days. love the vid and will subcribe. thanks bro!

[@swanauto47]

Bike is definitely a looker, this was a really good and honest review. Thank you for it!

[@mattywildman101]

"Best gravel bike" Old steel frame beater bike with drop bars and the thickest tryer you could fit on. Done. :)

[@johnnyyoung6747]

That was a thorough review. I think I would get something like the specialized diverge of cannondale topstone with more off road comfort.

[@EvilestGem]

Love the review - honest and to the point unlike many other review sites. Thanks.

[@bikeradar]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@teridzard1776]

Thx for a very nice video and an open opinion. The niche in between a cross bike and MTB is smaller smaller than we might think.

[@michaelk.920]

Great review. Amusing how he keeps on spiking some positive arguments into an overall deflating conclusion.

[@saleemwaheed9956]

It's a dream bike to me!

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

Deym! This is the most honest review of this bike I've seen so far. I like this guy. 😅 Anyway, If I have an extra budget, I'll still buy this bike just to be different. 😊

[@rrobotman]

Nice review - looks good but looks aren’t enough in this case.

[@dobiacco]

Looks good? Does it tho???

[@theylivewesee1674]

@@dobiacco looks like aero brick

[@robertrunkle4458]

reinforcing the motto "buy the bike that covers 80% of the terrain you spend in the saddle" then n+1 for the rest.

[@johnm91326]

Gravel bikes should be sightly beefed up road bikes like this (or even less so), if you're getting a gravel bike with suspension and super slack geometry you should really be getting cross country bike.

[@afthefragile]

I've got a Norco Search (the old aluminium version) which is great for soaking up small potholes and light gravel trails. The other day I was riding on a fire track which was fairly smooth and was ideal for my bike but then I turned down this single track mountain bike trail which was full of big rocks and my bike was so out of place there! You'ld be mad to ride anything other than a mountain bike down those kind of trails. Which brings to question what's the whole point of a gravel bike? If you want a more comfortable road bike, then get an endurance bike with fat tyres on it. If you wanna go offroad then get a XC mountain bike. Gravel bikes maybe make sense in USA where there are tons of unpaved roads. Here in UK you either get short fire tracks which may be smooth for only a couple of miles at most or you get single track trails which you really need a mountain bike for.

[@collectivesartori]

Ha! Exactly

[@DasRightfortyforfo]

Absolutely great review! Honest and to the point.

[@WeJockMcPooPlop]

Good review 👍 I just paid £2200 for a similarly spec'd. Wilier Jena, seems like a similar bike but the Jena is prettier (in my opinion), cheaper, lighter and comes with adventure bike bosses on the forks. Job jobbed

[@DoomerLoser]

With fat tyres like those, and such a huge price, you would rather be off buying a mountain bike, it's cheaper and can do much more.

[@thenerdycanadian7172]

i had a Giant Anyroad (gravel/cross bike) and a Giant Fathom (HT mountain bike) and i was able to ride the Anyroad everywhere i could ride my Fathom with ease.

[@BenLubin]

yeah but slow

[@djjosseppe]

Totally different from any mtb, there is no comparison and fat tires don't make a mtn bike. Then again I guess it depends on what kind of trails you ride. Also, the review is descent, but it seems the reviewer is very much a roadie.

[@lucasliewHEHEHE]

Love the in depth review!

[@bikeradar]

Great to hear you liked it and thanks for watching!

[@roddas26]

Excellent review mate,cheers for that.

[@mylesyoung6212]

Italian bottom brackets have never been a problem

[@garyk0]

For better or worse, there appears to be niches developing within the gravel bike genre. Which means all-rounder bikes, which once made up the bulk of the genre, now sit in the middle, gravel race bikes such as this one, sit at one extereme and bike touring/packing rigs sit at the other. While you could argue that it's all crafty marketing, I see it as choice. The up side is, lessons learned from the expensive race bike end of the spectrum are filtering through the rest of the genre, weight saving probably being the most useful one.

[@joachimmacdonald2702]

Thing Is you don’t necessarily want wide rims with wide tyres - there’s a fair amount of evidence to suggest that a more tube - shaped tyre actually handles better than one that is more square in corners because the contact patch remains consistent

[@MrRay645]

It’s kinda almost what I have been wanting.... aero, more road geo, different, but was hoping “gravel light” low weight 700c wheels and 32c tires..... a road bike first but can do smoother hard pack dirt roads and fairly fine gravel fast.

[@Furui93Shin]

Great review ;D !! Someone had to say it ! I actually like the look of the bendy frame? But for the money? You can get something way more reasonable. Many bikes on that list actually. Dogma is great, but eeeh... I don’t think I’d get Pinarello gravel bike even if I had the money.

[@cell001uk]

Fantastic review, love your presentation style.

[@bikeradar]

Great to hear you liked the review and thanks for watching!

[@bfotosuk]

Very good honest review, I've just sold my gravel bike for all of the reason above. We don't have any proper "gravel" in the UK if I'm riding single track I'm better on a MTB.

[@mpick9404]

Excellent honest review👍 A bike for the 'look at me' brigade that one, stick to road bikes Pinarello.

[@lux-3001]

BikeRadar, why is the Italian BB inferior? In which way does the BSA tighten so that in your opinion cannot come undone during the pedaling?

[@lux-3001]

@Matthew Allen thanks for the clarification. I needed the term mechanical precession to be able to read some more on the topic.

[@antikytheramechanism7909]

An honest review! It certainly needs a little more stack and some type of elastomer or Diverge type spring in it.

[@richcrompton6891]

Super honest review. Style over substance. It must be hard for a manufacturer like Pinarello to relinquish their road heritage to get into the gravel scene. When they are bringing out their no suss MTB range with Dura Ace Di2?! Lol!

[@palicar]

Nice commentary on the gravel phenomenon. I think it's the light weight of a modern gravel bike which makes it so very versatile and a real revolution in cycling whereas MTBs are tankish and can become a burden in bikepacking or long-distance scenarios. Compromise is always the name of the game.

[@bikeradar]

Glad to hear you enjoyed the video Patrick, and thanks for your insight. BikeRadar.

[@17cream]

Great review, you look good on it fella

[@DilbertMuc]

Hmm... coming from viewing GCN I am surprised that BikeRadar offers opinions which are down-to-earth and fact based and not so marketing driven. So... the very expensive Grevil is a nice looking semi-gravel look-alike for those who are not really into gravel biking (but more faking it). Whowuddathought!? Maybe the Grail or the new Trek deliver more value for money.

[@bikeplustech33]

Oh my God. Gorgeous. Just amazing 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@playandteach]

Great review. Looks like there's no toe overlap, which I prefer (can't track stand on mine currently as I always bump the front wheel.)

[@louiscormier12]

You lost me at Italian BB.

[@juanhidalgo7043]

I agree with all comments! One thing I would say, I am looking for a gravel bike and it is a long hard job! I am more confused after so many reviews. I love Italian bikes and as long as they re hand made I am ok with them. With that said, I like the pinarello gravel bike but I am not sure if it will be a good buy. I was also looking at a Pivot and moots titanium too. I have not decided on which gravel to buy.

[@christwardzik]

Wonderfully done. Thank you!

[@garybird8646]

Matthew should go work for Road.cc they're obsessed with value for money. Pinarello are an aspirational brand and they cost more, same like a watch seiko or cartier. The problem with bikes is that they often share the same common components like drivetrains and shifters (you can lower the chain ring sizes with absolute black sub compact rings btw) but a bike is more than the sum of it's parts. They will sell to people that want a bike with Pinarello down the side of the frame, if you want a frame set that has a different name on it depending on where it's being sold go buy a Ribble ,Tifosi or Dolan. It's also hard comparing gravel with mtb, I'm knocking on strava KOMS off road constantly on my gravel bike because the trails are too tame for an MTB.

[@alaaajeel7558]

Again.. We love you from Iraq

[@rogerp4612]

For context, it would be helpful if you would show in your video the type of technical terrain that you feel is a bridge too far for this bike. Because it almost sounds like you are criticizing it for not handling the type of trails that really call for a mountain bike in the first place. Which is not the type of riding I really associate with a gravel bike.

[@SaintKimbo]

Great review, and it raises the interesting point about so called gravel bike thing, it really is a touring thing that is ideal for pottering around on unmade roads. If you want to go fast, as this bike seems to be built for, suspension is a must have. It's just simple physics, F1 cars and GP motorcycles wouldn't dream of running without some form of suspension and they run on billiard table smooth tarmac. If you want to go fast on rough roads suspension is an essential element in keeping the wheels in contact with the surface for better traction, comfort is is simply an added benefit. So, Pinarello building an aero bike for gravel without suspension is pretty pointless, just get a mountain bike or simply enjoy the scenery at a leisurely pace, because you just can't have both.

[@raresmircea]

We almost all agree here: fantastic review! 🔥

[@glennoc8585]

Ive got a nice riad bike and a nice 29er xc mtb. I can easily bike pack my 29er with a set of butterfly bars.

[@mountaincruiser817]

Great review! Refreshing stuff.

[@DrJRMCFC]

Brilliant review. Really interesting points

[@grandad1982]

Why do so many manufactures over gear bikes? 46/30 up front and the 32 min at the back, if you going loaded then at least a 36 at the rear!

[@aleksanderresman3156]

This bike is like Maserati or Ferrari among cars. Beautiful design and lots of details. Al in all great bike. With that come (high) price. Sad for me, becouse i can only dream 🙂

[@ryanho7033]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're smoothening air flow near the caliper (making it more laminar), wouldn't you also be lowering the coefficient of convection? Turbulent air flow leads to a larger convection rate (all things being equal), no? so...whatever aerogains you might have in that area of the bike, you might be losing out on brake cooling

[@dilmurodavalbaev1392]

Pinarello bikes remind me of Chinese design philosophy found on many cheap department store bikes. Those crazy lines seem to be made to impress rather than provide any functional advantage.

[@stuartdryer1352]

I think there is a demonstrable advantage for pro riders on the road going real fast. But that's not really what gravel riding is about.

[@Bigsbeee]

Frame size tested ? Rider height please ? - Would have been helpful. At a guess 53'' and 5'-8'' rider ?

[@richfi9576]

excellent review! Like all Pinarellos it looks fabulous but I entirely accept that it's too much on the stiff side for a proper gravel bike. Maybe it gets you onto gravel from your Dogma F12 but you'd soon need something more forgiving when you get onto the more technical stuff.

[@erobertson1417]

Loved the instagram followers comment. You could buy a good road bike, gravel bike and mountain bike for the same price as that one bike.

[@bikeradar]

Or you could buy a really, really cheap road bike and 1,000,000 instagram followers? haha

[@YelCan]

Superb review. Thank you.

[@AaronGoodTimes]

Great review!

[@gur262]

I've got a roadbike, but with a wide straight handlebar, medium sized tyres. ... Wouldn't just throwing an aerobar on a straight bar be better off road and good for roadracing too?

[@BennyCornelissen]

At 2:58 you mention that the clutch 'seems to work' and that you 'don't feel the shifting is any heavier'. Looking at the rear mech in the supporting B-roll, the clutch wasn't engaged, which would account for shifting feeling just like it normally would. ;-) I personally own a bike with an RX800 rear mech on it, and if you engage the clutch shifting does get a wee bit heavier. I run a 1x11 setup so I can't comment on front shifts, although I'd expect a small-to-big shift to be a little heavier than usual. That being said, having little to no chain slap makes it more than worth it, and it's nothing huge.

[@mcba]

I swapped wheels just before filming and I might have forgot to flip it back, I was riding with it on otherwise. I haven't found it to have much effect on shifting. -Matthew

[@BennyCornelissen]

@@mcba the difference in (rear) shifts is very little. If you really test with and without clutch back-to-back it's noticeable, but if you'd just hop on and ride you probably wouldn't be able to tell just from shifting whether or not the clutch is engaged or not.

[@tamasvarga67]

Very balanced, honest review! The bike looks great but yeah, get a mountainbike instead...

[@bikeradar]

Thanks for watching and glad you found the review interesting.

[@stuartdryer1352]

Nobody buys any Pinarello because of its value. But I for one don't think a gravel bike should be a MTB with drop bars.

[@alexranzop.caballero4127]

It is okay to used that fork to off road?

[@mariosala3994]

Will you review the BMC Urs gravel bike?

[@jessechen4971]

0:25 What does "truncated airfoil sections because air doesn't really know the difference" mean? That truncated airfoil sections is the same as full airfoil sections aerodynamically?

[@Ih8GoogleandApple]

People who race on gravel will gravitate towards this bike just so they look more pro when the sign up for Dirty Kanza and Belgian Waffle Ride.

[@mattcardarelli]

Adequate but not amazing.... I feel that way about a ton of complete builds now, especially in the MTB scene. Companies are cheaping out everywhere they can.

[@josh33172]

Tough review, but a good one! The only thing I would say is that "Pinarello" and "value for money" have consistently been at odds with each other in a sentence. So in that respect, everything about this bike makes sense because this is truly an emotional purchase because you need to be well equipped with a Dogma and Grevil seasucker'd utop your Alfa Romero Giulia Quadrifoglio to set the scene correctly, and in that image alone it all makes sense even if looking at it from the outside, none of it makes sense.

[@Bokuma01]

Imo putting out a gravel bike with a 50/34 says a lot about what type of riding they are aiming it at. I'm a light guy and relatively fit and regularly need the 30-32 on my gravel bike when off road. Also how on earth did they manage over 9kg.

[@creatorex1]

nice bike

[@conorverbruggen5133]

Sky Dads still gonna buy it

[@gabrielchorei76]

Can we use road tyres like 700x25mm tryes and ride on paved roads and race with a road bike

[@markachternaam5207]

Those 19mm wheels... and Italian BB...! Are those wheels RACING 7B DB? If so, I feel these wheels are really under specced for a bike at this price.

[@irwinselvam946]

Slightly off topic, but how are the Rapha Explore shoes faring?

[@alainpfammatter8224]

Very good review 👍

[@Digiphex]

I like the style of it and would use it for road. But it is not comfortable enough for gravel.

[@ianiscaratti4924]

italian bb can unthread only one side. bsa can unthread both. and that's good because your legs have more force then 50NM and that's why they will unthread a stuck bearing instead if damaging the thread in the frame...

[@ianiscaratti4924]

Matthew Allen bsa tighten in oposite dierection of pedaling that was my point...

[@williamknowles3085]

*SNAP* take that Pinarello

[@Dubsys]

I'd love some reviews of more... mid tier bikes, I'm not avid enough of a cyclist to buy something this expensive or some of the other bikes that have been featured lately

[@nl3712]

Yeah, like a few £5,000 bikes...😂😂😂

[@cd0u50c9]

I love the honesty in this review. Pinarello really deserve to be put in their place - this is a hilarious mismatch of specs vs price, just like the Prince. The bike looks like someone already lost control with it at high speed on those 'mediocre handlebars'...

[@NirreFirre]

Hmm, sad marketing department product...no one puts a huge budget on a swiss army knife and have no interest in any other knives (in- or outdoor use) so to speak. A flexible tool they are but the S-formed price/performance curve is a bit more compressed horizontally imho compared to more specific bike types. I use my fairly expensive 9kg Orbea Terra (on 30% sale) for commuting, adventures with the family, light workouts with roadie friend (with another wheelset..) and exploring to find far away mtb trails for use with my 13kg+ plus tyre hardtail later. Tyres and pressure regulate the comfort/speed in a much more economical and practical way than any gimmick frame "feature", in the mtb world this is old news..

[@docgravel7858]

Why dont buy a MTB with these tyre ? This bike is a road bike...

[@BlackPenquinn]

This bike is in no way a MTB.

[@hogdog567]

VeloVsWild ride a gravel bike and you'll soon see why not.

[@docgravel7858]

@@hogdog567 Ride a road bike and you will say never. I have a gravel. When you ride off road it is preferable to have a strong frame not a aerodynamic carbon frame.

[@salvatoremannino3389]

I know the thinking of some manufacturers ( specially cars manufacturers ), after they have spent a good deal of money to develop a product and then they want to resell what is basically the same products in slightly different sub-version to cash in as much as possible. It might be clever but is an old trick that I despise