Hi from the UK 🇬🇧! Used to get this all the time on Citroën, lost count of harness repairs especially across the front in the engine bay, the bits of gravel and sand would find their way into the insulation and grind through to the copper until it turned green and disintegrated!
@Nosoupforyou65652 жыл бұрын
That is a Faraday shield to reduce capacitively coupled fuel pump brush noise from interfering with radio reception.
@mikefoehr2352 жыл бұрын
I have a Faraday pouch for my Tundra key. Push button start is easy to steal.
@2nickles6472 жыл бұрын
I have a Friday too😄😄
@phprofYT2 жыл бұрын
agreed.
@WizzRacing2 жыл бұрын
Other way around... It's to stop outside interference from making it's way to the fuel pump. As they do that to prevent the fuel pump from burning up... Why it's driven by the fuel pump module. And at $350.00 for the pump. Then labor to replace them. Seems cheaper to repair the wire...
@Nosoupforyou65652 жыл бұрын
@@WizzRacing that’s ridiculous.
@SerenoOunce2 жыл бұрын
Just guessing but since the radio amplifier is in the RR corner there may have been issues with EMF coming from the fuel pump which could explain the need for shielding.
@brainndamage2 жыл бұрын
Not only from the fuel pump, but I think primarily from the fuel pump driver, since it uses PWM the signal will be a square wave with a lot of high frequency components. Which is why the wires from the driver to the fuel pump should be as short as possible.
@russellhltn13962 жыл бұрын
Correct. Shielding is common when electrical noise is a concern. Usually it's used when the wire might pick up noise, but it's also used to prevent the wire from radiating noise.
@brainndamage2 жыл бұрын
@T.J. Kong you can't use just a capacitor to filter high frequencies from a PWM signal. What you need is a LC filter to make an average DC voltage from the AC signal. But then you've just created a plain old DC-DC buck converter. Could they do that to filter the noise? Yes, but coils and capacitors cost money, and if you can get away with not using them, they won't. It's debatable whether installing the shielding over the cable harness cost the manufacturer more than the filter.
@russellhltn13962 жыл бұрын
@T.J. Kong A cap would increase the instantaneous current the transistors would have to supply.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
Many cars use PWM to control fuel pump speed, but this is the first I've seen that has a dedicated bare shield ground wire wrapped around the power wire 🤔
@basshunter4282 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the technical jargon, "WTF?"!🤣 As someone who has picked away at more than one ancient, crusty, rust bucket, I can well understand the frustration and elation upon discovering the faulty wire! I've learned that you can never, never, never assume because something appears ok, that it in fact is. Great vid, guys! 👍
@dustcommander1002 жыл бұрын
Great job! I've found one of the most difficult issues to troubleshoot was when wires from unrelated systems were in contact with each other. I didn't make sense, and it did not match the wiring diagram, because the connection was not supposed to exist. And people wonder why it took so long to figure out!
@agger8382 жыл бұрын
I've seen a single strand of wire poke through it's and another wires insulation and take out a can network
@gonzgarr15922 жыл бұрын
Ivan you did it again showing us how important it is to read wiring diagrams and back tracking thanks again
@patrickzambori4732 жыл бұрын
put 10 amps through it and watch with the thermal camera, you'll see exactly where to unwrap the harness. I had a similar problem with a late 80's Range Rover, error codes and blown fuses like it was possessed. Unwrapped the harness and all of the wiring insulation had degraded into something with the consistency of Playdough crafting clay. Replaced the whole harness.
@vinces89742 жыл бұрын
Good advice thank you
@jfv652 жыл бұрын
Ah, yeah. 1980's cars were prone to that. Volvo 740/760 and 240 come to mind. I think it was because car manufacturers started to use other type of wiring insulation (bio degradeable?)
@cutabove90462 жыл бұрын
@@jfv65 They might have done what Ford did and make the insulation from soy instead of petroleum. The little creatures of the world loved to chew on that stuff.
@silverdrillpickle75962 жыл бұрын
Better yet, put 100 amp fuse and watch for the glowing sheet metal Trusty ole smoke test
@fluffyblue40062 жыл бұрын
At other applications, you'll see some ceramic capacitors directly soldered to the motor contacts, for clamping down on that interference. Sometimes, you'll even see some inductors. All of that could be safely tucked away in the sealed fuel pump motor case, in the tank, far away from water. But Ford rather uses shielding, apparently. But not a properly shielded cable, because that would be expensive. Just wrap it with some grounded metal wire mesh tape and wrap that with that protective tubing that wicks up water. When dry, it is an abrasive mix of metal wire mesh and salt crystals, nicely grinding away insulation, by means of the car's vibrations. At the first tiny compromise of the insulation and when wet, electrolysis will occur. The process will accelerate and soon you'll have a nice short capable of blowing 20A fuses. Great design, Ford.
@senanfoutchedjev24012 жыл бұрын
Its very funny when some of those old mechanics, with many years of experience I might add, are blown away, Amazed and other adjectives from the skills that Ivan has. Entertainment at its best for me. Thanks Ivan. I laughed so hard.
@jeffryblackmon48462 жыл бұрын
KRAZY! Glad you found it. You, Wes, Eric, the Wizard and Ray are great sources of info and entertainment. Many thanks.
@jdtractorman74452 жыл бұрын
That is a crazy one. You got to love the salt and calcium on our winter roads. I didn't see any in there inside the electrical tape, but water intrusion there could also added to that problem. At least minimal parts were required to fix.
@brianmason84002 жыл бұрын
Great job as always. When the video first came on and we saw the lift. I was momentarily over joyed for you thinking you got a lift finally!
@louoldschool70472 жыл бұрын
good job Al, George, Chuck and Ivan
@andybonneau92092 жыл бұрын
Nice find Ivan. Don't see too many guys working with a cigarette in their mouths anymore.
@Graham_Wideman2 жыл бұрын
... while working on the fuel pump...
@jameswasher39382 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I live in a non-salted-road state. Nice work.
@tomjohnson60362 жыл бұрын
When Al gets to cutting on something, he doesn’t stop.
@Nudnik12 жыл бұрын
Road Salt water spray under vehicle permeated harness and pink wire is hot while pump is running becomes a galvanic anode dissolving the copper at some pinhole in plastic .18 years of salt immersion. Not to bad. Good fix with the scope on a rope old school test light.
@aaronsrose2 жыл бұрын
Love watching your thought processes as you troubleshoot. I've been pretty good at keeping my old junk running and enjoy troubleshooting so I bought a 2013 Civic Hybrid that is effectively an electrical brick. (Mechanically it runs great.) I may have bitten off a bit more than I can chew at this point, but I'm going to fix it. (Though I'll probably end up with $3000 worth of new diagnostic tools to help reduce my already expensive parts cannoning.) Thanks again! Aaron S Rose
@Textemple2 жыл бұрын
Ivan, I swear on my life what you just said you have never seen, I had in my Saturn, which I suspected had been tampered with...and for 13 years it read that it had a 2.2L engine on EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF 30 pages of service history...until it somehow read 2.0L at the point at which it stopped passing emissions. Also, I kept having the MIL set when I turned the steering wheel, opened it up and saw the same type of goo connecting a pink and black set of wires...THANK YOU SO MUCH.
@willmorrow3752 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! each and every time.
@kastooMcFry2 жыл бұрын
Turned on the PC after getting my coffee and here you are. This is going to be a good day. So were those wires truly shielded? As in RF shielded? It almost looked like regular tape was holding it together. Thanks!
@unclemarksdiyauto2 жыл бұрын
That is a weird one for sure Ivan! Thanks for posting!
@AP93112 жыл бұрын
Wow, salt killed the wires with insulation wrapped around? Wow. Unreal. I seem that guy cutting towards him. I thought that would slice him lol. Great diagnosis! Nitty-gritty of the work involved! Gotta love the amp clamp and Light test! Awesome video!
@mikeaho41432 жыл бұрын
Wow now that's crazy !! A salt catcher by design. Great vid and case study. Something to keep in mind for the future.
@rossastra16v2 жыл бұрын
New video just in time for my lunch break 😀 thanks Ivan
@yaboykris21182 жыл бұрын
One day I had a older Chevy Cruze that wouldn’t crank. But, move the main power wire from the battery a certain way, it would start. But drive it out of the shop it would die. Very Long story short, found that a electric power steering wire was rubbing on a CAMBUS wire. Somebody who had been working on it didn’t secure the wiring harness and it was rubbing together. One of those things you’d had to be there to understand/appreciate. Was super proud of my self for finding it and have solved other weird issues based off of this. Wish I had your knowledge of pico scopes and amp clamps. Would of helped a lot of some of these problems I’ve seen coming into the shop.
@jamesu2 жыл бұрын
Great job. I have seen 1990s Volvos where the insulation just disintegrated and left wire touching.
@gary51722 жыл бұрын
SWEET! When you said sweet, that reminded me of dudes I use to know--whereas one dude would say sweet for everything, and the other dude would say basically for everything. Every sentence had a sweet or basically inserted in their conversations.
@itchegerton80042 жыл бұрын
Great work guys! I found the short in my car without any tools. Just wiggled wires for days! LoL
@daviddelle7742 жыл бұрын
The first thing I thought when we looked at the diagram was, it's shorted to the shield. The second thing I thought was WHY the shield in the first place. Coincidentaly, I had a problem with shielding shorting to data lines in a canbus yesterday. Not a car, it was a boiler.
@beverlyroemer51612 жыл бұрын
Ivan is the man for the job no doubt
@jasonbraaksma76882 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem on my 2014 Ford E450. I ended up running new wires from the fuel pump module to the fuel pump. I no longer have shielding on the wires and everything works just fine.
@robbflynn43252 жыл бұрын
Nice one. A bit off topic but my 97 Celica GT Convertible, 231,000 miles started hesitating and bucking, only very slightly. Changed the fuel filter, no improvement. Tested for blown head gasket, all OK. Then I put my thinking cap on. I thought about some of the stuff I had replaced- plug wires, spark plugs, distributor cap etc. Remembered some of your videos where the problem was with the replaced part. The new wires and plugs I put on were expensive NGK, but the distributor cap purchased from Amazon, supposedly a Bosch, arrived in a clear plastic bag with no markings on the cap, nothing. Luckily I kept the old Denso cap which I cleaned and put back on and you can probably guess the car runs like a clock again. The moral of the story, try and buy quality parts and keep the part you replaced just in case!
@juanrodriguez-ry6yt2 жыл бұрын
ngk wires are junk buy them at the dealer l1 master car and truck
@robbflynn43252 жыл бұрын
@@juanrodriguez-ry6yt NGK products are rated very highly but of course you are entitled to your opinion.
@juanrodriguez-ry6yt2 жыл бұрын
@@robbflynn4325 nothing beats the original wires i've had to replace plug wires
@SuperJoes702 жыл бұрын
No wonder Keith moved!!! LOL good video Ivan thanks !
@GroundedDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
He got a little excited He swore it happens lol 🤣🤣🤣
@craiggoodwin97042 жыл бұрын
Great job Ivan and Al. Al, good thing there wasn't any gas leaks with that cig in your lips. That's why they say smoking "can be hazardous to your health." Think I'll wire up some test lights this afternoon. Thanks for Sharing!
@volvo092 жыл бұрын
Cool find! Love when the exact spot is found!
@victormihov30572 жыл бұрын
You are the best, i am diagnostic man too, 20year, i live in Israel, love your channel:) Greetings from Israel.
@EastCoastScott2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha some real reactions great job Ivan…. Cars never cease to amaze me with some of the problem they encounter
@jerrycann63742 жыл бұрын
The truck looks like it is well taken care of. If that truck had that issue with the factory wiring why are there not more Fords out there with that problem. Really nice find....👍
@onewheelnut2 жыл бұрын
Great job , could it have been damaged in the past my someone reinstalling the spare wheel with a jack or lift?
@mikesandvig82462 жыл бұрын
Used to run into similar faults with communication cables that would get wet. Turns out that some vinyl insulation , at a molecular level, allows water to enter. It's water resistant, not water proof. So when it is immersed for long periods enough water will penetrated the insulation to cause a galvanic reaction, usually to ground.
@superchiefusn56012 жыл бұрын
THHN (vinyl insulation) wire absorbs water when the outer coating is nicked. It causes very odd problems. It is not recommended for wet environments. I'm not sure how prevalent it is in automotive.
@Tommy_Mac2 жыл бұрын
I can see that. We think of plastics as water barriers. I found out a while back that's not exactly true. Plastics are, in varying degrees, permeable.
@MrEmbedded2 жыл бұрын
In the northern area often ice causes problems. That is water gets in harness and freeze. This makes a wire loom ice hard for a section. That hard section then vibrates and wears out wires where the ice stops. Ironically the wire loom makes this worse because it holds the water inside loom to freeze and making icicle. Note, even having small pieces of ice with sharp edges cause problems.
@dm70972 жыл бұрын
I had one like this with an ‘05 mountaineer. Someone pierced the power wire and never sealed it backup. Corroded the wire and crank no start. Brother in law loaded the parts cannon before he called me to help. That was a fun one.
@mikeguiggey25862 жыл бұрын
Another interesting chapter in the notebook..👍
@HP-mx6jb2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a meter like yours on Amazon to check for DC Amps. I had a Robot blowing out a fuse for the 24v DC. My old fluke meter doesn't have DC Amp draw. I had to do it the old fashion was of changing out some parts.
@IgorD332 жыл бұрын
Had something similar on a chevy cavalier. Abs wires were all rotted. Looked absolutely fine on the outside but did not pass the old tug test
@ericdziadosz71452 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the way 2010-2017 Navistar International day cab road tractors were with their rear ABS wires.....no shield wire, but pretty amazing how the split loom over the wire harness managed to rub through the insulation on the wires and the road salt just turned the exposed wires to green crusty gunk. Made it even more unbelievable that on the later model day cabs that they had a really long harness (guessing they used the same harness on short day cabs and the longer trucks with sleepers) for the ABS that at the factory they folded over itself.....and then wonder why the ABS wiring had issues
@spelunkerd2 жыл бұрын
I made a little device to add a buzzer and light to a shorted wire. It hooked up through the fuse box, and it added enough resistance to the circuit to allow it to continue flowing current without blowing its own fuse. Then it's just a matter of wiggling and listening, the buzzer allowed one to stop staring at the bulb. Add that to a thermal imager and you'll find it quickly. I really liked the idea of sending a radio signal down those wires, but guys who use them every day point out that they are not as great as you think they should be. For example in this case, with a Faraday cage around the involved wires, you will lose the signal because of the cage.
@gradyrm2372 жыл бұрын
Great job Al!
@robertgregilovich22292 жыл бұрын
Excellent diagnostic!! 20 amp fuse #26. I guess heavy draw of module and fuel pump in operation plus the 1 amp short draw, pushed it over the 20 amps? I would have thought it would have a higher draw at the short.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
The 1 amp draw was controlled by my test light lol. It was a full short to ground 👌😁
@robertgregilovich22292 жыл бұрын
Makes sense with the explanation. Thanks
@baxrok2.2 жыл бұрын
Crazy! Thanks Ivan!
@MacAutoDiag2 жыл бұрын
Can you show how you hook a test light up to find a short
@Paul1958R2 жыл бұрын
Gee, @4:10 something was burning....glad you guys are safety conscious.
@notsureigaf2 жыл бұрын
That smoke was from the guy's cig, genius.
@Paul1958R2 жыл бұрын
@@notsureigaf It was a joke - sorry you did not get it
@eastunder552 жыл бұрын
I had a '91 Chevy 2500 company truck that would flicker the lights and dash gauges when making a left turn. It finally blew the main accessory fuse at the battery positive terminal. I followed the accessory wire and found it was tangled in the passenger side front coil spring seat. The GM assembly guy must have needed to take a crap and rushed through the wire harness installation.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@thomasbailey83062 жыл бұрын
Its just Crazy how Salt and moisture finds there way into a Wiring Harness. Talk about finding a needle in a hay stack...WOW...Great Job finding it. .The Gentleman that you was working with is a Perfect example of an Old School Mechanic. LOL...HAHA..Whenever you walk into a Garage and you hear words like this you know 1st They been a mechanic for years, and 2nd Hes a Good Mechanic...LOL..HAHA...If You walk into a Garage and dont hear those words ever.RUN RUN as fast as you can. Because They havent been doing mechanic work long enough or there not HUMAN....LMAO....LOL..HAHA.Great Video. Other good mechanics know what Im talking about...LOL...HAHA..
@feeneysmechanical62152 жыл бұрын
Great video Ivan. Happy birthday
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙂
@feeneysmechanical62152 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics You're Welcome
@colejensen58122 жыл бұрын
The PWM from the fuel pump controller is causing radiated emissions (EMI) (anything with a fast switching rate will create RE) they needed to clamp it to the chassis. Ironically, I am testing a new PWM fuel pump controller for radiated emissions and Radiated immunity as we speak. They are noisy devices from an EMC stand point. Also, I recommend a seam ripper to split conduit (can found in the sewing aisle of any store). That utility knife is just looking for someone to send to the hospital.
@terrywangen96572 жыл бұрын
Hook blade used for cutting asphalt (roofing shingles) is a good option.
@rodvan-zeller63602 жыл бұрын
This one reminded me of the old toyota cressidas, the single wire o2 sensor had a grounded shield around its wire, the shield would cut into the wire keep the voltage at zero and set a code.
@JoseHernandez-lf6cr2 жыл бұрын
Nice catch
@Tommy_Mac2 жыл бұрын
Just in case it helps somebody- there are tone generators and hand held amplifiers that are used in the telecom industry. They are used to send a signal through a wire so it's physical location can be traced. If you're having to track down wires in a harness and you aren't sure the diagram is correct, they are very helpful. Seems like that might work here.
@rjm71682 жыл бұрын
My wife had a 2001 Sebring that intermittently blew the 10 amp ignition fuse causing the car to shut down like the key was turned off. Turns out that 2 connectors under the dash had their locations swapped compared to the All Data sketch. This caused a harness to run up against the sharp edge of a support it went thru. I was lucky to find it.
@Micko3502 жыл бұрын
Wow Ivan saved a Ford Exploder from the Scrap Heap! 🤭
@andrewgonyou99032 жыл бұрын
I have seen something similar on a 7.3 diesel. They have shielded wires for the injectors and one has rubbed through and was shorting the signal to ground.
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT2 жыл бұрын
When shielding actually becomes the problem! Was Ford having interference problems with the pump operation to come up with that "solution"? Crazy!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarney106 never seen shielded fuel pump wires
@SerenoOunce2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarney106 The amount current is not the reason for the shielding. It's because the current is pulse-width modulated.
@Paul1958R2 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ivan it depends on what other wires they are bundled with. Paul (in MA)
@airborne632 жыл бұрын
@@dancarney106 Anyplace with snow and ice on the road. lol Calcium chloride is just dandy for chassis and cabling......
@SerenoOunce2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarney106 The reason for it being around a starter cable is because as Ivan has shown many times doing cylinder balance tests with the PICO, the current is not smooth but full of spikes which would again generate noise. That said, the frequency generated is rather low so shielding that seems kinda overkill.
@Saltcodnewfie2 жыл бұрын
See that from time to time on aircraft wiring ,which use a lot of metal shielding.
@Saltcodnewfie2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy all your videos, keep up the great work 👍.
@dougkubash86732 жыл бұрын
That is a weird one! This wasn't the weirdest one i had but 1990 E-350 cut-away van kept blowing the fuel pump fuse. It ended up being in the three wire connector the hooked to the sending unit. I bought a brand new connector from Ford and it was shorted just like the old one. I ended up just making my own up and fixed the problem.
@billburkart90872 жыл бұрын
Could you use the Flur camera to find it?
@mikechiodetti44822 жыл бұрын
Time to wrap it in split loom and liquid tape. Good find and fix.
@daveogarf2 жыл бұрын
COOL! Now it sounds like a Real garage! X-D
@Anonymous-it5jw2 жыл бұрын
In the South, where we have no salted roads, the pump control module is bolted to the frame near one of the rear tires, and due to a terrible design, the moisture gets trapped between the module and the frame and the module corrodes away, allowing water to enter it which causes various shorts to occur, as well as odd ignition, fuel pump relay, and fuel pump behavior. Down here, a lot of perfectly good fuel pumps have been replaced due to bad fuel pump control modules. These modules cost about a tenth or less of the cost replacing an in-tank fuel pump, and the modules are replaced at the same time as part of good shop practices. The problem goes away, and the shop has another pump it can clean up and sell.
@KC-vp7wn2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that explorer was in a Hurricane flood . Wondering how the rest of the wiring is?
@dyizhere2 жыл бұрын
That almost looks like water block wiring similar to direct burial. That white wrap is supposed to keep the water out. I’m not sure that is salt you are seeing. Nice find!
@weloveups8312 жыл бұрын
How was the shielding repaired?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
I removed it completely 🤣
@rickchowsr25322 жыл бұрын
That is freaking insane
@jeff7.6292 жыл бұрын
I once came across a late 80's Camaro that would blow the fuel pump fuse when the driver door was slammed closed. It took awhile to find the bad spot in the harness by the A pillar. Easy repair once it was found.
@bobspurloc2 жыл бұрын
it is at a mount point so rubbing is possible... but not likely??? LOL... did insulation looked charred at all?? maybe a winter freeze caused fuel pump to be a large draw that melted the insulation to the shielding then over time corroded? maybe at the factory when that harness was created some metal got locked into that location and corroded? that seems more plausible
@davidheinzmann44032 жыл бұрын
Good morning
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
Morning!
@bradrobert65742 жыл бұрын
at one point someone must have pierced the wires to test something back there
@SerenoOunce2 жыл бұрын
Vid shows factory wiring was not previously disturbed. Either a defect in the wire sheathing when it was MFG or the salt crystals caused abrasion.
@throttlebottle59062 жыл бұрын
shielded wiring to keep it from spewing RF noise. why do they do that? some people like to listen to AM radio stations still, as well as ham operators and other people around the vehicles. same reason for resistor spark plugs and resistance wires, only back then it interfered with everything used daily by many since it was all analog signal and poorly filtered (tv, radio, other)
@karlbuttler2 жыл бұрын
Nice place to put that harness, looks like it's very close to the wheel well.....k
@chanakaweerasinghe15052 жыл бұрын
Smorking near to fuel tank is danger
@itchegerton80042 жыл бұрын
Actually not. It's only the fumes that go up. We used to throw lit cigarettes into an open bucket of fuel to scare the bejesus outta youn'uns. The cigarettes were extinguished everytime. 😱
@blueribb992 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it have been better to just replace that harness ? Will more shorts happen on the old harness ?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics2 жыл бұрын
I removed the stupid naked shield wire lol
@Arnthorg2 жыл бұрын
yeah the test light is 🔥
@throttlebottle59062 жыл бұрын
looks like it rubbed through right at or near the harness holder, it's common to get chaffing and wear through at holders and radius bends. vibration probably had it rubbing against the bare shield wire or against the flex-loom, I've found bad wires like that all over the place on vehicles and other equipment.
@jimmyb14512 жыл бұрын
ahhh the good ol' ford exploder.
@donaldisrael71472 жыл бұрын
Ford has a long history of "better ideas".
@elrobo35682 жыл бұрын
let's hear it for soy based wire insulation! The weirdest wiring problem I had was a driver was driving her Ford diesel pickup on the freeway and had cruise selected, a car pulled in front and she tapped the brake to disengage cruise. It did not disengage, she hit the brakes to slow from hitting the car and it slowed but when she lifted it went into resume speed. She disconnected cruise at the switch and all was ok for then. I tried to duplicate and it did the sae thing, the tuck was under warranty and taken to a Ford dealer, the service guy said it was impossible to have that happen, I invited him to drive the truck he did and almost dirtied his pants when it did the same thing but with almost catastrophic consequences. The tech also said it was impossible and was treated to the same eye opening event. The techs checked everything and could not understand why it will not disengage with the brake pedal disengage. I went over the schematics and found that the brake to cruise disengage got it's 12 volts from the right brake light circuit, the right brake light fuse was blown in checking the wiring I found a wire bundle that goes through the right rear of the bed was chaffed and shorted the right brake wire. but still there should be a vacuum break to disconnect the circuit. nobody at the dealer could figure out what was wrong, i was put in contact with a factory brake engineer and ha poo pooed the whole thing and said the vacuum system would disconnect when the pedal was depressed. I went over the schematics with him and told him there was no vacuum break built into the 1997 ford F-350 crew cab 7.3 Diesel truck system. He insisted that there was and I told him to prove it. He couldn't. He did find out that the wire bundle through the frame and bed on those trucks was a problem with a lot of trucks. We fixed the wire and rerouted them wrapped with a teflon sheet ( I am a master mechanic and a jet acft mechanic and use this technique on the F-16's) all was resolved. bit there was no backup vacuum break disconnect.
@carsheaven2 жыл бұрын
Impressive diagnosis. It can be very frustrating convincing people to take you seriously.
@2nickles6472 жыл бұрын
Stop calling them techs just because all they know is hooking up a scanner. 😄
@2nickles6472 жыл бұрын
It's like labeling a Parts guy who hooks up the scanner to your vehicle a TECH..😄😄😄
@edp97432 жыл бұрын
Ivan I saw problems like this in the 1980's ground circuits spliced midstream and wrapped with friction tape, no reference to the location of the splice on the wiring diagrams, holes in the insulation of wires wrapped ,damaged for no reason. almost like the damage was done intentionally in the manufacture of the harness. It never ends with these manufactures, and their pointless to the fact the vehicle will run in the salt when designing. thank god I'm retired.
@billlangdon91982 жыл бұрын
How the F $#@ did you ever find that short. Love it.
@jakevath51332 жыл бұрын
salt water is probably getting into the connector and then wicking inside of the wire insulation. i've seen this happen before with cam sensor wiring. oil wicks into the insulation all the way to the pcm and into the pcm. never seen that with salt though!
@mykofreder16822 жыл бұрын
You look at the corrosion on the frame you know the environment during winter is wet and messy and that plastic sleeve with a crack in it so it can be wrapped after the harness is finished is no protection. If they put a shrink-wrap on it while the harness was being built, that might have been sufficient, routing it through the fender out of the elements would also work but that adds complexity and cost.
@mansonmydog2 жыл бұрын
LABOR RATE $100 phr, $150 if you watch, and $200 if you help.
@robpeabo5092 жыл бұрын
That is worthy of a recall by Ford! In the electricity industry we had an overhead service cable called "Neutral Screened" cable. The neutral return was a bare wire wrapped around the insulation of the active wire, all covered with insulation so it looked like one circular cable. I guess it was deemed less of an eye sore. Where you terminated the cable at the house connection and also on the power pole, you had to unwrap the neutral, sleeve it with insulation then make your connection. Fast forward many years later, maybe decades, (who knows - it was already up when I came across), it was failing at the pole end because it is exposed to the elements and water/moisture would make its way up the neutral strands, pool in the droop of the cable and slowly turn the copper into white powder. As I am sure with your electrical engineering background Ivan, you know that this would cause fluctuations in the power supply, most noticeable as flickering lights, and if left unchecked would lead to shocks & tingle or worse due to the CMEN system of earthing (if your country uses that system). It is much better to have all conductors have their own insulation!
@vwwrenchie3142 жыл бұрын
Love The "profanity ahead" precursor...lol😎👍🇨🇦
@thebaldmechanichardatheari11242 жыл бұрын
Always something new. Bloody salt.
@northpostman2 жыл бұрын
That's a typical day up here in Canada. LOL
@TheCowgirlNiamh2 жыл бұрын
“How the fuck?!” … I concur! 👍😂😂😂
@MajorWeakness2 жыл бұрын
I had this happen on my brand new 2010 F150 back in 2010, was under warranty and they installed a different setup