Pitcairn Island: The Devastating Price of Paradise

[@Places302]

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[@gretl01]

I appreciate the increasing use/attribution of non-AI historical images, thank you!!

[@ben.faerber]

Yes, so many videos in the past year use blatantly incorrect images! I remeber one that showed images of this island when talking about Tristan da Cuhna!

[@thehangmansdaughter1120]

Kiwi here, the vast majority of us were absolutely furious with the sentences handed down to those vicious monsters. It was insulting to the victims, some of whom had suffered so badly they literally had to leave the country to be safe. They ran away to New Zealand and Australia and I don't blame them a bit.

[@Robespierre-lI]

With every trial of a major crime that makes it into the media, there are ALWAYS people who are outraged by the verdict and sentencing. The only countries where this does not happen routinely are authoritarian police states which use the death penalty for everything from murder to jaywalking to insulting a government official. The risk we take when adopting a more fair and cautious judicial system is that sometimes you can't prosecute criminals to the extent you think they deserve. You can only prosecute them to the extent you can prove them guilty within the strict confines of the law. It is best to just accept that this is the best that could be done under the law in this extremely remote and insular British Overseas Territory.

[@RobertStewart-i3m]

​@@Robespierre-lI While entirely accurate, look at British law today. Schoolgirls and illegal aliens. Thousands of attacks govt and press bury.

[@mvb88]

I didn't even know about it till now, and I'm a kiwi too. Then again. I was like 10-11 at the time

[@WeirdPros]

"We pretend to be sociable and agreeable but we really don't want you here." So Hawaii.

[@TheTacoBandit]

Or the South lol

[@mathiasbartl903]

With Hawaii you have rising cost of living.

[@jimwalshonline9346]

Bligh, on the other hand guided his small boat over a major chuck of ocean to work his way home: one hell of a seaman!

[@crazilyrandom97]

@@jimwalshonline9346 also tough, those men were bloody tough

[@InThePaddock]

After his troubling time at sea, he went for a break on dry land in the now reasonably well established colony of New South Wales. It was here where Bligh cemented his reputation as an emphatic, understanding and superb leader as a ship in the fleet mutinied on the way to Sydney. However he soon able to put all these troubles behind him and upon arriving in Sydney he immediately set to work governing the place with his unique leadership style. This ended one day with the Rum Corps deciding to meet him in his office one morning to discuss management styles over a few muskets.

[@duncancurtis5108]

Mel Gibson vs Liam Neeson and those tight cravat flinging Anthony Hopkins pineapples overboard.

[@TheItalianTrash]

@@duncancurtis5108 I didn't even realize Liam was in The Bounty. Of course I didn't know who Liam was until Star Wars: The Phanton Menace. I need to watch it again.

[@Whatt787]

Bligh never found the mutineers, must have bothered him til the day he died

[@no_nameyouknow]

That took a turn...

[@mostafamd2144]

Ikr

[@coyoteinthepool]

That is the most chilling non-apology I have ever heard.

[@Styphon]

You've never heard a politician apologize for the mistake of getting caught?

[@nicklager1666]

Remarkable how much drama a small group of inhabitants can cause.

[@marcbeebee6969]

What a place. Every once in a while you hear about it. But you can't ever forget

[@davidlewis2447]

I’ve just figured out Simon plan he’s boosting the views on this channel to get get the sponsors in to pay to setup another channel. 🤔🤔 soon it won’t be called KZbin it will be called Simontube 🤣🤣

[@crazilyrandom97]

I'm here for simontube

[@davidlewis2447]

@@crazilyrandom97 definitely least then you every video is going be worth watching

[@PJWestfield]

At least we know he will never take money from the Russians to parrot Russian talking points.

[@sandhilltucker]

I will not tolerate the British man's takeover! *KZbin becomes SimonTube.* I for one, welcome our bearded overlord.

[@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89]

@@crazilyrandom97I came here to comment the same thing 😅

[@sbsstorytelling]

I knew of this, I think probably on the old Geographics channel, but I enjoyed this refresher with a slightly different focus.

[@zarasbazaar]

It's also been mentioned in some historical accounts of the mutiny that the Tahitian women were kidnapped and did not go voluntarily. Possibly the Tahitian men were meant to be slaves from the beginning.

[@Whatt787]

Yes, and then when one of the Tahitian wives died, that was the beginning of the end

[@sarahhuggett9436]

@06:38 Am British but lived in USA & Singapore. That was not narrating nor acting. My man whom I've watched for at least 7 years also knows. That internationally, we are known as self entitled ang mohs. Love your work mate, thank you

[@angelitabecerra]

4:28 As an American hearing the phrase "which is about the same as two Californias" was hilarious to me

[@dallesamllhals9161]

WAIT-WHAT...so YOU're not ALL the same? WE are ALL the same in THE EU....(sigh) ...naah, not really 😕

[@TheKrausenKid]

@@dallesamllhals9161 I've never heard anyone say everyone in the EU is the same... The fr*nch exist.

[@keeftbeef]

Fun fact, I'm in a band called 'the fletcher Christian mutiny' and our first ep was called 'the hill of difficulty'. Fletcher Christians grandparents lived on the isle of man for a time, and a young Fletcher visited them there. Would really love to go some time 🤞

[@arnaldoteodorani277]

Listening to ‘Scraps from the Table’ now! 🤘

[@mklapper88]

I like Simon’s ability to put dozens of words together.

[@patton3338]

Hmm, Pitcairn Island? Devastating eh? I wonder what the twist will be.. OH GOD NOT THAT

[@martonlerant5672]

....what else were you expecting? The island is prety (in)famous for 1 thing only.

[@yayhandles]

Very possibly the single greatest example that I have ever heard for why society and all people *MUST* reject moral relativism.

[@maximilian672]

My feelings about this case aside (I'd make sure, one way or another, that these perpetrators would not be able to do any such a thing ever again) ... From a philosophical point of view, I think your wish to reject moral relativism is quite problematic. After all, there's no such thing as a universally correct moral judgement. And as a result, your argument basically boils down to "but my moral judgment is right" or more informal "my moral judgements should supersede other moral judgements". Whose to say you got it right? And what would you say if you were charged based on the rules of another society, which you do not belong to?

[@martonlerant5672]

...there is one tad bit lil issue with moral absolutism. Whose morals gonna be the "really truly correcty infallable ones"? Frankly its like communism, fun to think about, but incompatible with reality of human nature. As disasteful as moral relativism can be, some might be willing to argue that genocide is worse. ...if for nothing else, because its final and cannot be undone

[@chucksnothereman]

I suspect it is hard to have moral diversity in small isolated communities. The dominant figure exerts his/her morals and not much anyone else can do. We’ve seen similar in small very isolated aboriginal communities in Australia.

[@lorenc8010]

Wow, sounds like Diddysteen Island!

[@Whatt787]

Mutineers divided up the Island equally among them, but disaster struck when one of their wives died, it then became Lord Of The Flies

[@canedust]

... bloody hell, Colleen. no wonder her house on Norfolk Island was so far outside of town

[@madmick3794]

Decendant of William Bligh here 😊

[@AlexanderSamardzhiev]

Nice. 🙂

[@dallesamllhals9161]

So NO family/cousins in GOOD OL' England?

[@madmick3794]

@@dallesamllhals9161 quite a few. Grandfather spent his retirement tracking them down from where he lived in Australia which led to a tour of Europe to go say hi.

[@spannerdan4926]

Bligh's incredible feat of navigation and survival reduced to one sentence!?

[@derekblair1645]

Simon is the KZbin version of British colonialism

[@mzshastalibra4705]

Ope😮

[@4dhord]

yeah im like subscribed to 4 of his channels.... maybe he has more XD I think hes like the first AI generated real human :D Hes everywhere

[@cainnegethon3180]

Best thing I heard on the Internet all week 🤣🤣🤣

[@yayhandles]

@@4dhord Only 4? I'm subscribed to nearly all of them and don't regret it. Let's see how many I can swing here... Current: Warographics Into the Shadows The Casual Criminalist Decoding the Unknown Today I Found Out Brainblaze Places (lol) Megaprojects Sideprojects Astrographics (edit: added this because I forgot) Not Sure if still on team: Highlight History Prior channels: Toptenz Biographics Geographics ...I *THINK* that's all of them...? 🤔

[@lornarettig3215]

But in a good way. I would’ve thought.

[@ONEDVSDVIT]

EXCELLENT! REALLY ENJOYED LISTENING TO THIS . THANKS

[@michaelsilver253]

If every dude named John Adams just inherently bald and rolly-polly?

[@twiggyjali]

"it's polynesian to break in your girls at 12" NO IT ISN'T.

[@rebeccafree9755]

Think she's got the wrong p word there, she doesn't look like a very educated woman. All the Polynesian people I know feel very different about her statement.

[@nicholas3139]

​@@rebeccafree9755 ok wait, i'm confused. that statement is very poorly phrased & you need to speak clearly. so are you saying it is, or is not, polynesian to engage in pedophilia? i'm trying to figure if this is racism, or just slander- for, you know, education.

[@Robespierre-lI]

It is well established that there have been many cultures that consider the age of maturity to be much closer to puberty than we are now comfortable with in the modern world. Obviously this is no longer the practice in modern Polynesia (as far as I can tell without visiting every village on every island, anyways.) Even it if were still common, that doesn't make it a good idea. But denying that it was once a far more common practice is a little silly. We have fairly substantial cultural anthropological research on this subject going back decades.

[@twiggyjali]

@@Robespierre-lI the woman who i quoted was very much from "modern times." i am not splitting hairs on this.

[@SafetySpooon]

@@twiggyjali His only other comment suggests he is a rape apologist.

[@EamonCoyle]

I would recheck the information on how the abuse was discovered as when I originally read about this over ten years ago the story said the woman was a police officer but she had visited Pitcairn as part of a holiday in Australia and blew the whistle on it upon her return to the UK......

[@chrispeck1325]

That's how I have heard it told as well, by several other sources.

[@elizabethgrey9157]

I don't care at what age, the use of the words "breaking in" a woman or girl is creepy AF.

[@elizabethgrey9157]

Dude! If you "learned and understand the error" of your ways, yet you are not sorry for what you did... that makes you a sociopath.

[@rh661]

Captain Bligh's boat journey would fall nicely into a MegaProject.

[@Hillbilly001]

Simon's way of smashing Geographics. Allegedly.

[@TheCountZopolai]

In my opinion

[@Hillbilly001]

@@TheCountZopolai That too.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Good thing I got my B in 1999...😕

[@Hillbilly001]

@@dallesamllhals9161 1999? I got mine in 1977.

[@cpuuk]

And you could probably find the same story in a lot of other isolated communities, just not the mutiny start ;-)

[@aab4219]

Rural places are plagued with domestic violence and substance abuse

[@joshuamccasland8180]

And urban ones are not?

[@rubiconnn]

​@@joshuamccasland8180not as bad as rural places. Domestic abuse is like the cornerstone of conservative societies.

[@TheHikeChoseMe]

@@rubiconnn yup, just look at how fundy muslim women are treated.

[@aab4219]

@@TheHikeChoseMe Ohh, treatment of Muslim women justifys it , ok got it

[@SoundShinobiYuki]

And because it’s easier to hide when you don’t have neighbours ten feet away and good luck running away if you can’t drive yourself into a city, almost nothing gets done about it. I Grew up in a remote area. Guess why we lived there? So my stepdad could abuse us all he wanted and we couldn’t escape and nobody would ever notice. Thankfully my Mom finally had enough and after five years left with whatever she could fit in the truck. She was lucky, she met a lot of other survivors who had to walk for miles down gravel roads in the middle of the night- and no streetlights out here!- to just get to a house that would let them use a phone. And now imagine being a woman in a fundamentalist church (and there are many out in the boonies, bet you can guess why by now) who’s not allowed TV, internet, driving, working outside the home etc. so they have no contact with the outside world and so don’t know *how* to leave, especially with kids, and have nowhere to go.

[@multiyapples]

We its shameful that the awful things happened in Pitcairn islands.

[@Whatt787]

The Mutineers didn't want to go back to dreary old England, they wanted to stay in TAHITI paradise, but Pitcairn, although pretty in spots, was no Tahiti, no sandy beaches

[@takingbacktheplanet]

Adamstown looks like a pretty fitting name for a town (possibly) populated mostly by Adams' descendants 👀.

[@killgazmotron]

Basically a sort of lord of the flies situation, things descended into its most naturally primal, but sans any long standing cohesive local spiritualism connected to the land itself.

[@Whatt787]

True, everything was ok at first, dividing the island equally among them, but when one of the mutineer's wives died, it was the beginning of the end, and Pitcairn was no Tahiti

[@jordanroberts3007]

A video revisiting a already covered subject from Simon, without the annoying additional host, thank god

[@semaj_5022]

What annoying additional host?

[@DystopianOverture]

@@semaj_5022 They are talking about the Geographics channel that Simon hosted but never owned. He left the channel because the owner was hard to work with (the owner admitted to this).

[@deamontube30]

i would also like Simon tube.

[@MusicalRaichu]

I knew they were relocated to Norfolk, but had no idea some of them went back and what happened next ...

[@joefekete4384]

Me and a friend stumbled onto the rabbit hole of this island years ago. We spent days studying it

[@cinderclawz]

The narrator guy is on like 50 different channels it seems

[@SC1ENCEP1E]

When they tried to figure out in the aftermath how this horror was allowed to manifest. I wouldve pointed a finger at the history being. Minister > Missionary > Missionary > Minister > Whole boat of missionary's

[@ikonic_artworks]

yea as soon as you introduce the cults and people spreading (aka forcing) their "faith". that's when stuff goes from good to bad

[@cantsay2205]

Oh yes, it's everyone's fault but the rapists.

[@theawesomeman9821]

I first learned about this island from the film "The Bounty" which starred Mel Gibson.

[@lornarettig3215]

Same! Great film.

[@kingofkongisland]

Blighs return home is an astounding story of its own.

[@Whatt787]

Bligh never found out what happened to the Mutineers, must have bothered him til the day he died

[@kingofkongisland]

@Whatt787 he most probably and wrongly assumed they perished..maybe he wrote , or someone wrote about his thoughts on it...yes interesting.

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Unique information and unique subjects... thanks for sharing

[@yz250ftony]

I met a guy who spent 2 weeks on a nearby island (Acadia?) for a ham radio expedition. The trip cost around $250k usd. He said on record, no one had been there in 4 years.

[@tannerking8299]

Had no idea how big 872,000 kilometers was until he said roughly two californias. Thanks Simon✊🏿

[@FlatDerrick]

Major error in this - when the Bounty mutineers arrived on Pitcairn they did NOT claim it for themselves. They were smart enough to understand that if they retained the Anglican faith and loyalty to the crown, the chances are it would take long enough for the RN to find them that the magic 20 years would be reached and any survivors would escape punishment. And they were proven correct.

[@Clovis_Rose]

Listening to an older but younger Simon is crazy!

[@theboyoofoly]

The wording is misleading, the conflict that resulted in Fletcher Christian's death had nothing to with how well the tahitian men were or were not treated, it was over a woman, the Polynesian wife of a mutineer had died, so he kidnapped the wife of a Tahitian man, the tahitian men then went about the island systematically killing off all of the englishmen, except one, who had been warned by the women, and had hid in a cave

[@wolfmantroy6601]

That is correct. I came looking for this comment. Their biggest mistake was not having enough women or too many men.

[@swagmundfreud666]

Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that a real human named Thursday October Christian was a real person who lived? Like someone decided to name their child that.

[@nina-marigrobler9099]

It’s pretty common here in South Africa, especially in the Western Cape. Those were slave names that eventually were, to an extent and in some ways, claimed as heritage and passed on.

[@js4266]

Not the only strange isolated island community. There are roughly 15 families on the island of St-Barthelemy for example; they've lived there for 300 years (the inbreeding has not done them any good apparently). I had a friend who lived there and he told me some very creepy stories about the locals (stories that reminded me of The Hills have eyes)

[@Whatt787]

Can't imagine back in the 1700's at night, must have been so boring, must have slept a lot

[@GalaxiesArePretty]

The 17th century is not the 1700s. The 1700s would be the 18th century.

[@mthdscrd]

look at you in your cute sailor's shirt...and on an island video...

[@Faction89]

It sucks when such an interesting and hopeful story suddenly becomes so horribly dark.

[@EamonCoyle]

Grim irony the island was named after a young kid given the more recent history !!

[@TheManFrayBentos]

Surprised they don't all have webbed hands and feet by now.

[@SpectrumofSmarts]

Simon didn't you already make this video? I listen to your channels a lot and I've definitely heard this story before

[@chrispeck1325]

He doesn't know lololol. He's stated several times on several of his channels, that he doesn't pay any attention to the episodes, he just reads the script lololol.

[@DamonCassada345]

Britain certainly did not help. Many of their actions were orchestrated specifically to dwindle the island, such as drafting much of the island during WWII, which sounds about as practical/sentimental as people living there in the first place, something I noticed was glossed over. I support the idea of turning it into a care/holding center so that its isolation actually has some use without damaging its independence, though becoming to reproductive organs what Antarctica is to wisdom teeth and appendixes would not hurt either.

[@semaj_5022]

Great video, if somewhat sickening in some of its covered topics. In a dark way, Pitcairn and its people offer a really fascinating study case for the social psychology of a small, isolated community developing from previous members of a larger, more globalized population. It's interesting the ways in which such communities develop culturally and socially as compared to a community that has always been small and isolated, such as some of the more isolated tribal communities around the world.

[@WeirdPros]

They literally said the Polynesians caused the noncery

[@lornarettig3215]

I do agree with you… but it’s depressing how often things seem to find their way to ‘grown men justifying getting as much s3x as possible off underage girls’. Isolated communities, religious cults, rich people… always grown men perving for underage girls 😞

[@TRXruss]

Had two work emails lately asking for applications for a Constable and their partner to do a one year (or six month, I can’t remember) stint there. No thanks.

[@ivanasukjadic1423]

Imagine living in a place like Pitcairn... I don't know how people do it.

[@peachydls341]

The original Epinstein island

[@womble321]

Sailed to safety? It was an amazing feet of endurance and navigational skill!

[@RedPaganNetwork]

Simon wearing that shirt and not miming his way through this is disappointing! xD

[@wolfmantroy6601]

Starting out with more men than women was a terrible idea. They should have left a few of the native men behind or taken many more women with them. Enough women for each man to have two would be ideal.

[@carmattvidz4426]

How many KZbin channels does this guy have?????

[@sirridesalot6652]

It'd be really nice if Simon spoke just a bit slower.

[@WelcomeApathy]

You know you can change the speed of the video if you need it, right?

[@michaelhowell2326]

How can the British government say a damn thing about SA on Pitcairn? Are they pretty much the easiest on that kind of crime than any Western country?

[@baby_joe]

This place really interests me. Didnt they build a prison on the island to hold the convicted men? I think the islanders themselves helped build it. And after release, one of the worst offenders went on to occupy quite a senior position on the island.

[@stevenlee3278]

What kind of accents do people from Pitcairn have???

[@Bonsqueesquee]

Imagine being the one baby born on that island.

[@Styphon]

Father's Day is probably confusing

[@Exod_a]

The color of your skin didn’t decide how conquerable you were

[@slava_ansi]

appropriate speech rate for auctions

[@WaddedBliss]

That use of shaking graphics is horrible.

[@scottishzombie]

Ok, that shaky text has to go. VERY annoying to read.

[@tankthepitbull520]

I guarantee some dark nefarious things happen on that island

[@goatpepperherbaltea7895]

Zigzag

[@DaisyFabianBebe]

The men on this island were predators. Raping little girls from the age of 3 and then continued until they either left as young adults or partnered up with their abuser.

[@richardmcquade9832]

I recall Pitcairn Island being pointed out to me on a globe over 50 yrs ago, but even after listening to this content I still have no idea what the reason as to why. I'm quite sure it was not the sexual reasons, more likely it had something to do with its biodiversity or the island where Captain Cook's being subject to mutiny or it's extreme isolation. Odd that I clearly recognize the island name but not its significance. Sail on all ye mutinous sailors.

[@saraseifert6005]

Sure Simon look at the southern United States brother.

[@Bobzx97732]

Simon has been ai this whole time 😢

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@williampower6167]

The editing is not good on this video. Don’t put writing up then jiggle it about. This video should be sponsored by an optician.

[@derekstein6193]

Arguably, the worst thing to ever happen to any parcel of land is people taking up residence.

[@davidhiatt1486]

Simon! Ask and I shall receive...in 30 seconds!

[@gooddad3575]

Rich in diversity, poor af monetarily

[@Smellsweird]

Where was HMS Spit while HMS Swallow came across the island ?

[@jaalsburg]

When you say "24 7 customer service" you sound like Austin Powers. Other than that there are so many Polynesian Colonial weird stories. Possibly the issolation allows the evil to ferment.

[@Seagaltalk]

Tiny place with no laws and nothing to do. Not suprising

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

Epstein's inspiration.

[@ryanherbert69]

Another channel, wtf

[@TheLoxxxton]

Erm.....

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

Good place to hide.

[@seanwiley558]

The music is almost drowning him out. I'm finding it difficult to pay attention to the information he is putting out.

[@lucastaylor2321]

Community service for underage & sexually assault ?

[@RetroGamesCollector]

To the person in charge of the subtitling; learn to spell.

[@WelcomeApathy]

Aren't the cc auto-generated on this vid?

[@ChiChiLand299]

You're leaving out the fact that many of the men on the bounty were married to the Tahitian women which is one of the reasons they wanted to go back so bad you're just acting like they loved Paradise, temperature apps to try to depict the More as colonizers lol