"Pizza Thrash" and the 2K Crossover Revival.

Welp, I'm groggy and congested, let's talk 2k Thrash, shall we? It was the west of times, it was the blurst of times...thee ol' turn of the century into the 00s. Powerviolence, Crust (of the non Stadium variety) and metallic HC were starting to wane a bit, and the word Thrash became a hot little slice a parlance once again. There was a new wave of super fast HC exploding out of California, Japan, Sweden and other far flung places, and the punters of the punk world often referred to it as "Bandana Thrash", referencing LARM and Heresy, two of the big influences on this wave, obviously this was confusing to people around my age at the time (early to mid 20s) who were old enough to remember the fading embers of Thrash METAL from around a decade past. Enter several crossover revivalists - Bones Brigade, DFA, Holier Than Thou? and Municipal Waste who managed to bridge the gap between Thrash and THRASH.
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[@GETINTOITwithJasonHook]

Fuck yeah! I saw DFA once at All Asia, it ruled. As you know, I am pals with all the Bones Brigade guys. I roadied on one of the first tours they did. There is a "tour video" that the bass player made for his college class thats uploaded on KZbin, go find it and see young me. I still LOVE Holier than Thou, that LP is so angry and despondent. I saw Municipal Waste and Toxic Holocaust a million times and always wanna defend them when people talk shit. Those dudes toured coast to coast playing VFW halls and basements. They earned that shit. Awesome video!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I'm bummed that I never got to see BB with Andrew on Vox. I'll look for that video and put a link in the description. The All Asia was such a cool and weird Boston area spot during the early 00s. Nothing better than seeing Oi or HC bands at an Asian restaurant...a tradition carried on in Salem later on, haha.

[@hutch13pbbc]

Hey Jason!

[@FuxxkU]

always loved that 80s skateboarding inspired hardcore, slappys and street plants for life

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I can still manage a sloppy here and there, street plants, ho-hos, etc....pfft I wish. Haha.

[@timberwolvesxx7250]

the cool thing about 'pizza' thrash and similar bands is they put the fun back into music and live shows, instead if miserable looking dudes standing around trying to be brutal. i could never quite get into death metal scene for this reason.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

That's a pretty good point. I think tryhardness of it all can kind of wear on people a bit, I've definitely felt that way, but also - maybe relax. I've also met plenty jovial death metal types that like to rage out just as much as anyone else too.

[@Spacewolf5]

Oh God. People are making KZbin documentaries about my teenage years. Officially old.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I was old enough to be in grad school during this era. I am disintegrating into dust, Thanos-snap style as I type this. Lol.

[@tomobrien5345]

Possessed to Skate comp??

[@Brian-nm8ie]

@@tomobrien5345 That record is so good. The Spazz and Charles Bronson stuff on there is arguably both those band's best material.

[@melvinramone2605]

As a teenager in the 80s Bay Area Thrash and Crossover were my gateway into non-mainstream music in general so Pizza Thrash hits a sweet spot for me. I love all this stuff unabashedly. Two other modernish Thrash bands I like that weren't mentioned: Normally I'm not super into techy stuff but Vektor's Voivod worship makes it work for me. Oozing Wound hit another sweet spot for me by blending Thrash/Crossover with AmRep type Noise Rock. I don't know any other band like them and they do it well. Thanks for the video. I've been really enjoying these last few videos.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Glad you've been enjoying the vids Mel! I've been trying to actually have some semblance of a work ethic during this new era. I tried getting into Vektor - they never really did it for me for one reason or another. Oozing Wound sounds very, very interesting. Another one for my ever expanding "to check out" list from Subs!

[@viet-tandoan9780]

I was in my late teens/early twenties at that time and get hit hard by that scene. We just start a band with a Punk guitarplayer and a metalhead drummer. MW show us the way. And all the HxC in Belgium where i live was super SxE and serious so it was good to have a band with lighter subject. The we met Xavier from Still Holding On records (rest in peace) that put some of those bands like Bones Brigade that you mention( That became Ramming Speed and now Slashers). ANS from Texas was another one that we became friends with. OFC Hollier Than Thou? who later morphed into Annihilation Time. Tankcrimes records from the bay area play a big part in the scene too. From Belgium, Reproach was pretty big and did play that kind of fastcore. So many memories too mention, thank you

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks for watching! I saw Ramming Speed A LOT in Boston. Fun band.

[@gabejaramillo2848]

​@@GroundZeroSalemvery impressed that you started with max!

[@tomobrien5345]

I really liked Reproach. I imagine I still will

[@goat666db]

I’m somewhat out of my element in this video, because thrash in general was never my main metal subgenre. That being said, I never hated MW, but didn’t give them much of a chance when they were coming out due to the silly fashionable fanbase. Listening again years later, I think it’s fun stuff. Always respect the hell out of Dave Witte for obvious reasons. I will say too, that Crucial Unit, 9 Shocks Terror and all the Max Ward bands rule! Also I just recently picked up a DFA discography CD on discogs, good shit. Bones Brigade was a band I’d always seen the name but never listened, sounds awesome. Great video as always Pat, thanks and cheers 🍻🤘

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks for watching as always!

[@SuperStrik9]

Glad you pulled out that Municipal Waste album as they were the first band that came to my mind upon seeing the title of this video. I like that term "Pizza Thrash". It fits the fun loving nature of bands like Municipal Waste imo.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

That's cool, I've always heard "Pizza Thrash" used as a pejorative, but....Pizza rules, even when it sucks. I've heard "Whacky Thrash" quite a bit as well.

[@FuxxkU]

BURNT BY THE SUN MENTIONED! surprised to see anyone else remembers that band

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I never really listened to them when they were around, but they really hit the spot with me nowadays.

[@gabejaramillo2848]

yup! saw them twice! this dude's got it down pretty good!

[@gggarth666]

One of the most underrated bands ever imo. All their material ist superb and Michael Olender is a beast on vocals!!

[@FuxxkU]

@@gggarth666 for sure one of the best bands out of the relapse records era

[@ExplosiveAction]

I quite liked the first EP from Burnt by the Sun and the first album with Dracula With Glasses on it. Some quality grindcore moments on it from David Witte.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, they were a cool band. All of my hardcore friends were into them during their time, but I thought they were too metal (for a hardcore band, I liked plenty of straight up metal bands at the time) so I never really got into them. They were like a meaner, less wanky, less arty Dillinger Escape plan or something.

[@ExplosiveAction]

@@GroundZeroSalem yeah I definitely got into them off the back of Dillinger and Relapse trying to hit that mark again and again (Luddite Clone was another)

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@@ExplosiveAction Luddite Clone *elderly Steve Roger's meme* "Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time..."

[@AnalogAttack]

Holier Than Thou? is killer. I was chuffed to see them get a mention!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Low-rated as hell and so good!

[@Brian-nm8ie]

The video title instantly made me think of my Cross Examination / Spring Break 10" on Deep Six. There was a time around 2006-2007 when I was just soaking up all the crossover / thrash metal records I could find. The DFA "Defy All Authority" LP was one that really stood out to me as a hardcore/thrash blend but the MW "Waste Em All" record was definitely my favorite in this genre. Powerviolence still remains my true love.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I tried with Cross Examination, but could never get past the vocals. That DFA lp is a ripper, for sure.

[@Brian-nm8ie]

@@GroundZeroSalem Yeah I can see that about the vocals. I don't think I have heard anything else from DFA though. I found that youtube is a great place to hear stuff I haven't heard before. Got a folder just for saved music. I also caught my miss spelling of the DFA record lol.

[@tomobrien5345]

Subscribed! I will always check out anything Dave Whitte plays on. Those Scholastic Death 7”s were so good. Loved all the stuff that Gloom records put out as well

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I'm just remembering that East West Blast test project. That was interesting.

[@benng4376]

I celebrate Municipal Waste and Toxic Holocaust's entire catalogs. I sat next to Land Phil at WrestleMania in Dallas a couple years ago.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I remember you telling me about that. That's cool as hell.

[@benng4376]

@@GroundZeroSalem My bad.

[@650AFTERHOURSOC]

Toxic Hollywood

[@cliffordthevinylcheapskate351]

Cool to see Rambo on here. Is that pointless fest in the video? Those were my very active days. I was most likely at that show😂 Also Bones Brigade freaking rules!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I'm not sure. I want to say that Wall of Death the System came out before the first Pointless Fest, but I'm not 100% on that.

[@HighDefTV]

Oh man looooove this topic. So many sick mentions, dude. Breakfast ruled, and I was late to Bones Brigade but definitely quality. I feel like Behind Enemy Lines belongs in this conversation also, those records are fucking scathing and waaaaay more metallic than Aus Rotten. Fuck, Driller Killer, too… stellar. Not that everything else shown here wasn’t… rad shit, dude.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah man, I never really gave BEL much thought, I just remember that they were the post Aus Rotten band. After you sang their praises, I revisited them and went out and scooped up everything I could, their stuff aged so well. It rules that Mary Bielich from Mythic played on their third LP.

[@gabejaramillo2848]

i have seen a dozen ill informed, misrepresented opinion videos on this topic that did not even MENTION max ward, much less begin by doing so as a proper analysis would obviously do!😅lol but seriously dude this is excellent, couldn't have done it better myself. touché!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks so much!

[@tomobrien5345]

Hirax Max 625 Ward (etc etc) is such a kingpin. Also you could tell his drumming style from the GO!

[@gabejaramillo2848]

@@tomobrien5345 from the GO! indeed 😎

[@KRASH.dbeatRawPunk]

Very cool to see DFA on here! They were a great band. Their singer is an audio engineer (all of my bands have recorded with him) and he still plays in a couple bands here in Saskatoon.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

That's awesome! What kind of stuff is he playing these days?

[@KRASH.dbeatRawPunk]

He plays bass in a band called Bitter State and does vocals for a band called Rehashed. Both in a similar style to DFA. I sent him a link to this video and he said "He's right about the tempo. We tried to push that punk beat as far as it would go before turning into a 1-2 or blast beat".

[@ajh229]

Subject is not my forte, but cool video regardless Pat. Your knowledge on punk and metal is expansive dude. Only crossed path with Power Trip a couple of times many years ago, but always got a Strife vibe that I never heard anyone else confirm. Anyway, thanks for putting this together!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I can see it. I think that the new wave Thrash / Crossover (Power Trip, Foreseen, Enforced etc.) Has an underlying metallic HC vibe, which in turn, had sort of Thrash vibe (Integrity, Unbroken etc)....it's kind of like influences bouncing back and forth through the generations.

[@ajh229]

@@GroundZeroSalem As an aside, I could never crack Integrity. Will have to revisit. I’m sure seeing them live in their heyday would’ve helped.

[@joekilljoy]

I’m not shocked I didn’t see anyone else mention them but PC Deathsquad was another band I’d throw in here. Obviously based on the name and JLJs history some people will write it all off immediately but their Eternal Ignorance album is from start to finish fire.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Oh yeah, I just kinda forgot about them. They did shred pretty hard from what I remember.

[@rubberlover666]

This was super interesting. I never got into a lot of that revival stuff. I liked Municipal Waste's 'Art of Partying' when that came out but I thought it was a joke band. And that seemed to be a popular sentiment where I was. I, like a lot of others, were surprised they kept going (AND kept Cannabis Corpse going as well?!) Though I did finally see MW a few years ago when they opened for Carcass and they were pretty good. Outside of Power Trip, I think it was Trash Talk who got the most popular doing the thrash/80's hardcore thing due to their relationship with Odd Future. On the East Coast there was Night Birds who were doing a kind of Adolescents thing and they got signed to Fat. But since you lived in FL, a video on the mid to late 90's Gainesville / No Idea scene there would be great!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I can't get behind any weed themed band other than Exit 13. MW were definitely jokey lyrically, but it looks like they took touring and playing live pretty seriously. I saw a recent interview with Bill Steer where he mentioned that their live presence was a standard difficult to compete with. I don't know if I have enough No Idea stuff to really shoot a video on. Outside of Asshole Parade, there wasn't much from the Gainesville scene that I was into. I was never a big Hot Water Music guy, and I only celebrate about 3 Pop Punk bands. Trash Talk was so huge that it's really weird that no one talks about them these days. Along with early Ceremony and Brace War, I consider them to be part of that wave of HC that started making it okay for clean cut kids in Bane hoodies to like music with Blast Beats, which came along just a bit later than some of the stuff I'm discussing here. "Amazing Violence" was the pejorative term used by some of my friends. Night Birds I tried to check out a few times but couldn't get into.

[@GabAssbreaker]

I don't like MW, never was my thing, but i respect them because they where the gateway band for so much people my age, i was a teenager during the South American Thrash revival in the mid 2000s (i live in Chile) and Municipal Waste was beloved by chilean teenagers. Thanks to them we got to discover crossover and hardcore punk tho. Violator from Brazil was "that" band here, the ones that made everything happen, and they where into hardcore punk as well.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Oh yeah, I always thought Violator was pretty decent. There was a band from Brazil called Bandanos that had a great demo that I was going to show off, but unfortunately, I couldn't find it. Cool crossover stuff. My favorite recent Thrash Metal bands from Chile are Critical Defiance and Ripper.

[@dustintbrproblems]

Another great video, Pat. Did you ever check out Cross Examination?

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I revisited them for this update, and was considering snagging the full length. I can't get past the vocals.

[@dustintbrproblems]

@@GroundZeroSalem haha, fair enough

[@johndemonico6250]

I feel like a lot of this stuff got its start on havoc records from the twin cities and commitment records from Europe. But I'm with you municipal waste blew it up!!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

That's true, DS 13 were on Havoc, and Code 13 fits in here somewhat, but they had been around since the mid 90s. I know Holding On was a fairly big deal, but I'm trying to think of more bands from Minneapolis that fit this sound...well, Damage Deposit of course. Commitment records I'm not too familiar with outside of Vitamin X and Infect. I forget that there were some killer Brazillian bands too like the latter and I Shot Cyrus.

[@tappan8808]

another fine video. The A Reason For Living 1999 compilation on Dan Doh is another must have. Did you ever see my crust message from March 16?

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I don't think I did. Instagram?

[@tappan8808]

@@GroundZeroSalem I have to speak in code because they must flag certain words and hide those posts. we had this crust list discussion in the Agathocles comments, but I guess you can't see my answer? I'll send the list again. check Ground.Zero.Salem

[@GroundZeroSalem]

It was in my fricking spam folder :/ I'll respond later tonight!

[@tomobrien5345]

Did I just see Crucial Unit in the thumbnail? Let’s fucking go!!!

[@tomobrien5345]

……..oh yeah I was thinking of Crucial Section!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Easy mistake to make!

[@ZacharyMarley]

Intro song for the video? Shit shreds

[@matthewkinne7662]

Kind of a different approach, but what if you covered dead zones in genres. Like deathmetal from 96 to 98.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Not a bad idea. Now I'm trying to think of DM releases from that time...uhhh... Hahaha.

[@matthewkinne7662]

@@GroundZeroSalem remember when we went to see suffocation in Albany for pierced from within? It felt like death metal was dead as fuck.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@matthewkinne7662 Yeah. Also the loudest live band that I've ever seen. I know everything went into more brutal and tech territory at the time. All that stuff like Deeds of Flesh, Brodequin, Sepsism, Malignancy etc was starting to really take off post 96 I believe. Some stuff started to crossover with metalcore in certain areas...bands like Burning Human and Skinless in Albany for example.

[@adamsalem7050]

Saw Municple Waste at Castle Donnington they were fun. Prefer them to Toxic Hollocaust! (download) last year. Missed out on a snake pit pass for Metallica as my chapter gave them all out,before i got there. No Metallica this year as of yet.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

The idea of MW at Donnington is wiiild to me. Wow.

[@brainrottedindividual]

shout outs to night fever from denmark

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Funnily enough, I always confused them with Night Birds.

[@THRASHORBETHRASHED851]

I love Pizza thrash,Check out my interview with Pizza death from Australia

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Anyone who likes the Young Ones gets my support.

[@650AFTERHOURSOC]

Dying fetus have always been horrible and who do they think they are to charge for autographs? Holy f*** those dudes are annoying

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Lame if true, for sure.

[@650AFTERHOURSOC]

@@GroundZeroSalem it's true🤘🔪

[@raregrimebeats1352]

What’s the appeal with dying fetus anyway?

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@raregrimebeats1352 I'm not a super fan or anything, but I think for people that like "Brutal" DM, they're almost like a catchier, more straightforward Suffocation.

[@Bogweed]

That is an awfull trend I saw the Cavalera bros perform sepultura albums a couple of years ago. And what they charged for Autographs and a selfie was like 6 times the admission.

[@ZacharyMarley]

Intro song for the video? Shit shreds

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thank you! It's my old band, Daggers Rule. Our demo is uploaded to this channel if you're interested. It can be found under the music uploads playlist.