Global Carbon Reward | Delton Chen

[@TennesseeJed]

Go Rachel! Thanks!

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

I'm waiting for him to mention CIA drug smuggling propping up the bank liquidity.

[@emceegreen8864]

Another thing to consider is that in order to balance carbon consumption with restoration we need to reduce use of dirty fuels and replace them with clean. Looks like China has peaked in Carbon last year. This has to be global and encouraged with policy and then proceed to radically reduce dirty fuels. And if you think this is impossible consider how you can do this in your own life. Doing it becomes a virtuous feedback when rewarded. And if you think that would cause you to just spend even more on dirty consumption ask why? 😮

[@PhilippaDomville]

Thank you so very much Rachel and Delton. I am a Canadian theatre and film actor/creator and currently working on a near future distopia/utopia with an emphasis on the climate crisis and biodiversity crisis. I am extremely grateful for your work Rachel and all those who support Planet Critical. I am working to follow both the economic /policy implications of this proposal and may not yet completely understand it. But am I wrong that it sounds a little akin to the carbon coin in Ministry of The Future ? I am concerned as you mentioned that it might be somewhat energy blind and if this is indeed so? I am also concerned that it might not prioritize ecosystem protection and revitalization with the stewardship of Indigenous and smaller local communities as a natural means of carbon capture.I wonder if you might have someone on who could further examine this in future podcasts. With much gratitude.

[@PlanetCritical]

Hi Philippa, I'm so glad you found it of value. I've got more on energy and society coming up in the next few months!

[@emceegreen8864]

It’s credited as “the Chen Plan” in Chapter 42 of the Ministry for the Future. And Delton Chen is acknowledged and credited as a contributor. There are minor differences between the book and the policy . Surprised that the central theme of the novel wasn’t mentioned in the interview. BTW it’s the carbon coin that resolves the climate crisis.

[@antonyjh1234]

@@emceegreen8864 I'm happy for system change but seriously do you think this is it? We can't buy people out and then not expect their dollars to buy the same amount of energy. Why are you spreading this persons lies for? He thinks we can stabilise fossil fuel prices. 20% of our energy is electricity, he has no replacement for the 80% but doesn't want them to leave them as stranded assets?

[@andrewwoods8153]

I respect the effort and thinking, however, in Australia we had a water scheme that has failed spectacularly and the traders won every one else has lost. Market systems are driven by psychopathy, not by benign balance of competing needs and interests. Love your work as always.

[@emceegreen8864]

A problem is incentives to cheat. When building a system it’s important to get the incentives right.

[@scottharding4336]

This sounds like a great, comprehensive plan that won't be considered until after an economic collapse caused by environmental degradation.

[@emceegreen8864]

Why don’t you think it won’t be considered? It seems to solve a lot of problems.

[@buriedintime]

@@emceegreen8864 there's a lot of solutions to various problems siting on a shelf somewhere because a corporation bought the idea and shut it down because it would effect their bottom line negatively. something can look great and maybe even work but a bunch of non rational psychopaths are going to be at the helm.

[@buriedintime]

Who’s going to consider it? Which country will throw its economy under the bus and let the un issue carbon awards? How will Americans hooked on conspiracy theories react to the idea of UN making choices for them? Or forcing corporations to make choices for them? Trying to talk some toxic male to surrender his diesel truck which is what he’s base his entire personality on is going to be hilarious

[@buriedintime]

@@emceegreen8864 i typed replies in here twice but there's some stiff moderation going on. shrug

[@Withnail1969]

Environmental degradation is not what causes collapses. Depletion of cheap resources is.

[@mkysml]

10:25 👂

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

I ate carrots for dinner. I'll keep an eye out for sticks.

[@AaronNGray]

Love

[@ErnestOfGaia]

#DePin decentralized physical infrastructure can be used by the working class to monitor their increase in sinking carbon into soil.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

How to build trust and empathy within society?

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

study what the female bonobos do.

[@Alasdair37448]

I get what he's saying but in order to imitate the natural carbon cycle in our economy as he's proposing two things will have to happen it's unavoidable. first degrowth there's no way we can possibly continue endless growth and have a balanced carbon cycle the pressure that continues growth puts on the planet and the system is unsustainable. Secondly an end to capitalism and the linear economy carbon and other resources will have to be shared globally and distributed around the planet in cyclical way which is impossible in capitalism which inherently concentrates wealth into the hands of owners if this is going to work there can be no bosses and no workers no rich countries and no poor countries because materials will have to be balanced and distributed in a way that reflects the natural environment which is impossible under capitalism which demands ever increasing profits and segregation of the workers and owners.

[@tonybaldwin6280]

Carbon is a cycle, you don't want to store it and turn it into money. Understand agriculture. Carbon respiration gets more efficient in biological cycles. Until we work out how to do that as well as nature, leave it up to nature

[@Jeremy-WC]

This might have worked in an alternate future where the world implement carbon taxes after the first COP and now it was 1998 and we needed to tweak the system. A very smart individual caught in the paradigm, very few like degrowth if the system still works for you but it is better then collapse.

[@Withnail1969]

Degrowth is collapse. If we start dismantling the economy, collapse will happen.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Why do you nedd the IMF and Central Banks when you have DAOs, blockchains and smart contracts. Given the recent development in Interblockchain communication there is no need to wait for a bank to manage your database ledger.

[@ronwalker4998]

Ya that works until the power goes out .. the amount of carbon produced from bitcoin is insane .. and wait until AI hits at scale .. estimates of 40% increase over current energy levels. For me, this convo is a bit of rainbows and unicorns.

[@emceegreen8864]

The reason is in the interview. The central banks guarantee the price floor. The value would never drop below a known price. That way risk is easy to understand and that makes a safe investment. It’s really quite brilliant.

[@ronwalker4998]

Nice, trying to push back on him, not recognizing energy as the "everything to do anything" .. but he doesn't seem to understand the depth of that.

[@Withnail1969]

He thinks the economy is about currencies. He doesnt understand that it's in fact about real things like steel and fertiliser and diesel fuel.

[@SeegerInstitute]

He misses the point gets close, but he doesn’t really understand what he’s getting at because he hasn’t spend enough time in nature life itself comprises an evolving complex adaptive system, which translates, incoming photosynthetic energy into ever increasing complexity, resulting in ever greater balance within the entire super organism. What we’ve done is, D animate the planet other words we’ve killed too many varied life forms, and we’ve released the energy contained within carbon based life

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

when he said "we need other organisms" for photosynthesis to store carbon - does he mean Sir David King's plan to spread volcanic ash to feed algae? Algae is 1% of land biomass equivalent yet 50% of photosynthesis for life on Earth. Oil is from algae. Pretty wild how people don't focus on Sir David King's plan or just algae in general. I did an algae talk on environmental coffeehouse recently - a couple weeks ago. thanks

[@emceegreen8864]

I think that’s exactly what he’s saying. The “control system” is perhaps enhancement of natural processes.

[@SeegerInstitute]

@@emceegreen8864 I hope you’re right I just felt based on my 30 years of experience as a regenerative farmer as someone who works 90 hours a week caring for 1000 animals and 100 acres of plants that he’s still missing the basic point that all of nature is one interconnected, super organismprocessing photovoltaic energy into greater and greater complexity. The system has its strength, because nothing is in competition. All life is connected, and when one thing is in decline, it voluntarily submits that Lifeforce to something else that is in a period of ascension. I find it very frustrating that many of these academics who are reading books and studying papers and don’t have their hands in the ground. Don’t understand that everything everything is evolving all the time and the more control we try to exert on the system less effective it is anyway I don’t know if that makes any sense to you, but God bless all of us and we get out of this mess in one piece one piece.

[@emceegreen8864]

Hi Seeger. I think you are right about the living system. The idea is that evolution has produced living systems and human systems need to mimic living systems. It’s not an ethical or moral perspective it’s a truly physical and thermodynamic balance that’s needed. Not as a nice -to -have but actually required. It’s such a deep topic!

[@DrSmooth2000]

​@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 marine fertilization spooks me a bit now They take carbon yes but corpse mat on seafloor is eaten by anaerobic beasties who exhale sulfur and can work it's way to wreck ozone Devonian extinction for example A few pops of phytoplankton to take edge off. Not pulling 100ppm

[@QAlba1074]

The Archaic Revival~ History is ending because the dominator culture has led the human species into a blind alley. And as the inevitable chaostrophy approaches, people look for metaphors and answers... Every time a culture gets into trouble it casts itself back into the past looking for the last sane moment it ever knew, and the last sane moment we ever knew was on the plains of Africa 15,000 years ago, rocked in the cradle of the great-horned mushroom goddess before history, before standing armies, before slavery and property, before warfare and phonetic alphabets and monotheism... before, before, before. The way out is back> into the past. This is what the psychedelic experience means... it's a doorway out of history and into the wiring under the board in eternity. If the community understands what it is that holds it together, the community will be better able to streamline itself into hyperspace. Because what we need is a new myth, what we need is a new true story that tells us where we're going in the universe, and that true story is that the Ego is a product of pathology, and that when psilocybin is regularly part of the human experience, the ego is suppressed, and suppression of the ego means the defeat of the dominators, the materialists, the product peddlers. Psychedelics return us to the inner-worth of the self, to the importance of the feeling of immediate experience... and nobody can sell that to you, and nobody can buy it from you. So the dominator culture is not interested in the felt presence of immediate experience, but that's what holds the community together, and as we break out of the silly myths of science and the infantile obsessions of the marketplace, what we discover through the psychedelic experience is that in the body, in the body there are niagras of beauty, alien beauty, alien dimensions that are part of the self, the richest part of life. The mystery is in the body and the way the body works itself into nature. What the archaic revival means is shamanism, ecstasy, orgiastic sexuality and the defeat of the three enemies of the people... and the three enemies of the people are hegemony, monogamy, and monotony... and if you get them on the run, you have the dominators sweating, folks! Because that means that you're getting it all reconnected and getting it all reconnected means putting aside the idea of separateness and self-definition through "thing fetish". Getting it all reconnected means tapping into the Gaian mind, and the Gaian mind is what we're calling the psychedelic experience... it's an experience of the living fact of the entelechy of the planet... and without that experience we wander in a desert of bogus ideology, but with that experience the compass of the self can be set. And that's the idea, that we're figuring out how to reset the compass of the self through community, through psychedelics, through sexuality, through intelligence. Intelligence. This is what we have to have to make the forward escape into hyperspace.

[@041101213]

It's genuinely comedy to me when people discuss market based solutions for the crisis.. usually finance people desperately trying to rationalise/justify their own existence in the solutions... He gives us word salad with a side of mental gymnastics... I'm glad Rachel pushed back on his delusions.... It's complex, it's deep and the guest can only play in shallow muddy puddles. He is shameless lol

[@emceegreen8864]

Did you listen to it?

[@041101213]

@emceegreen8864 Yes, of course I did... the man is a grifter from the expert class... reformists are greasy

[@paulbrammer1596]

Completely agree. When challenged by Rachel he just refers back to the same faith in "progress" techno-hopium narrative. He seems to be genuinely energy blind and unable to process what a collapsing society looks like in reality.

[@emceegreen8864]

Can you be specific? Without going ad hominem ? It’s important to deeply understand our predicament and do our best to resolve it. The guest is an engineer and has a unique and fundamental first principles approach.

[@041101213]

@emceegreen8864 no, you're not actually interested in my opinion. I can already tell you're a liberal. Plus I did explain, it's not my fault you lack the comprehension skills to grasp what I'd said.