The Cognitive Dissonance Crisis | Sarah Stein Lubrano

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

this breakthrough that debate doesn't change minds - that's something I learned through hardcore experience - doing door to door environmental activism as my first full time job right out of high school!!

[@SamWilkinsonn]

That makes sense because usually people that are watching these podcasts already agree with much of the content. That being said, it’s important to have these podcasts in order to validate your thoughts, with evidence straight from experts, in order to fortify you mentally from being tricked by media/corporate/government propaganda. Props to you for trying to convert the rest though. I find it too stressful talking to people who disagree by regurgitating BS arguments/‘data’ and are deaf to any conflicting points.

[@yerahmlee730]

The best KZbin channel I’ve come across

[@TennesseeJed]

Psychedelic Rachel, running a defrag on the old self operating system! This is a great subject and guest.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

The term fragging now encompasses any deliberate killing of military colleagues.

[@TennesseeJed]

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 I was using a Terence McKenna reference to his observation of it working on the human hard drive.

[@bubbajones6907]

She notorious for being a quack. Why is this being ignored?

[@singingway]

Cell phones have changed how people interact even within social infrastructure created specifically for community building. For example parents waiting for their children, will now prefer to interact with their own phones rather than with each other.

[@singingway]

Unless someone takes on a network or facilitator role or unless they have a shared task or goal.

[@tamasurusrex]

I REEEEALLY want to read Sarah’s book! When is it coming out/what is the title? You had me at people being the product of their environment… as an applied behavior analysis dork, I’ve been saying this for years… though I do also believe that some of our behavior can be chalked up to our internal “environment” like psychological framing, or physical like genetics, inflammation, infection, etc. Also, regarding the notion of security granted by fixed thinking… I really love that. I’ve also been saying another version of that for years. That black and white thinking gives the illusion of safety … because it’s all about prediction. This is something I’ve gleaned from working with fearful animals. They do so much better with a sense of control, in other words prediction or choice. I’m inclined (though I have no data to back this up) to think that some people with a lot of fearful behaviors don’t want their “freedoms” (choice--read wearing a mask on your chin like you’re wearing a condom on your balls) taken away and black and white thinking allows for prediction and certainty… which is control.

[@beingnonbeingincludesexistence]

Great conversation Rachel and Sarah! When will you have Daniel schmachtenberger on the show that I would be awesome!

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

"fundamental attribution error" is a great concept.

[@burningproblem]

Great chemistry between host and guest. ❤️

[@kiloub]

what a beautiful conversation. Can't wait for her book!

[@SuperNovaPhnx]

Subscribed before the teaser at the start ended, cant wait to hear the rest

[@madameblatvatsky]

Are you talking about cognitive dissonance and how you're flying around too? Stop flying! It invalidates everything, everything. Oh the world is dying but I really need to get to Peru to drink trippy soup/ go to Goa for a disco / go to Málaga for an English Breakfast

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

I try to argue with gravity everyday.

[@singingway]

20:27 there was a time in the 1980s when Community mediation was spreading into schools and neighborhoods, and being established as services within City governments. The dream I had at that time as a professional mediator, was that mediation conflict resolution was going to become the normal way for people to resolve conflict regularly and daily in their lives. But then what happened... Was that the law profession "co-opted" the community mediation model, and basically dismantled it.

[@musiqtee]

Defining heterodoxy as “adjustment disorders” must be an indicator of decadence - no reductionism needed. I would posit that the dissonance is not purely ‘cognitive’, as it could well relate to how modernism has downplayed emotional, experiential, intuitive or contextual awareness - life over time, not just status quo. Not that dr. McGilchrist is “it”, but his description of brain lateralism does point to what’s missing, some may call this the Meta Crisis or Meaning Crisis. Sense of being should lead our ways of doing, as pure “instructions” are as alienating as the political-economic conformity we have. If power is forever locked to possession, we’ll stay in trouble. *Make life - not money…?* (Btw, subbed - great work…!)

[@yerahmlee730]

The w in weird needs to change from western to modernized trust me, I’m Korean and my generation is becoming incredibly self centered but my grandparents were quite the opposite

[@Kalense]

In your intro you talk about "saving the planet". I wish people wouldn't use that expression. There is no more need to "save the planet" Earth than there is to save Mercury or Jupiter. They're utterly indifferent to humans, and will always be entirely indifferent. "Oh, it's just shorthand! We all know what it really means - doing something about climate breakdown, ecological degradation, and socio-economic challenges." Unfortunately it's not so innocent. By framing it as "saving the planet", we shift our gaze away from the mirror. We shift the emphasis away from acknowledging the impact of human actions on the interconnected systems that sustain life on Earth. The real concern is not saving the planet but preserving the conditions that make Earth not just habitable for us and uncounted other species, but a place where humans can live a mutually-beneficial life with those other species. When people think of saving the planet, they have a vague, unfocused, abstract and remote idea that detaches them from the immediate and tangible consequences of their behaviour right here, right now. The phrase contributes to cognitive dissonance, to a collective complacency or a magical belief that the planet can be sick or be healed. Focusing on human responsibility and the consequences of our actions brings attention to the need for sustainable practices, conservation efforts, and removing social and economic inequalities. Shifting the narrativeoff "the planet" to highlight our role in the intricate web of life encourages more thoughtful and responsible behaviour. Instead of "saving the planet" couldn't we develop a short statement of aim that encourages critical thinking and a sense of urgency around the real challenges we face? I'm not a marketer, but preserve our biosphere, protect and sustain life on Earth, strive for a sustainable now, build a mutually beneficial relationship between humans and the natural world... something along those lines, perhaps.

[@anthonydavis3872]

Actually all about saving ourselves!

[@trunoholdaway2114]

You two have such great chemistry, it's great listening to you talk. Also I'm no longer referring to myself as an autodidact but as a "curious normie".😂

[@goodnatureart]

We aren't a self is a wonderful recognition. Next up realize we aren't better than other people, we are here in the richest parts of the world with time to ruminate beyond what Mother Earth wants for us, which is to survive and reproduce. This is not a big leap to recognize we are not better than ants, we are ants. Thought is automatic, and the nature of thought is to divide. So you will find yourself having endless conversations that keep you engaged as long as there is some storyline: this happened and then that happened. Reading Ursula LeGuin's translation of Tao Te Ching is beautiful.

[@MrRandythibeault]

I'm sorry I'd like to debate your guest on the potential implications of her perspective

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Great interview. Serious and fun

[@UK75roger]

Great guest! Visually as fascinating as Zizek; and some really interesting ideas too. Yes, debate is about competition and ego - it won't get anybody anywhere, which is maybe why we've ended up where we are. ? More!

[@ko6el]

Visually as fascinating as Zizek WHAT?

[@jasonblack6142]

Theres always more then what we think no matter how many of this and that you think you have

[@adambazso9207]

Extremely interesting. 😊

[@crisismanagement]

Crisis begins with a lie.

[@buriedintime]

very interesting chat. brave one you are.. shrooms on a plane. that can go any kinda way. weeping seems suitable regardless of circumstance or ayahuasca precursor.

[@o_o8203]

"if I don't do it, someone else will" says nothing except that a person has is fine doing whatever it is they're doing. I hear a lot of corporate people/CEOs talking like this. I would never be a CEO because I don't want to be the person doing that, let someone else square that moral circle.

[@Li2b3th]

C. Wright Mill’s concept of the sociological imagination: a tool people can use to “understand what is happening in themselves as minute points of the intersections of biography and history within society. The children of California shall be our children. - Leland Stanford

[@gmw3083]

Consciousness creates reality. The masses are mostly unconscious. That's how it is at the end of the epoch....

[@Mike80528]

That flight was going to happen one way or another. This is much bigger than any one decision. It requires mass awareness and consciousness. I basically came to the conclusion that our global system would require a sudden and massive shock for us to break free from it. Basically, we need a cataclysm to save us from extinction...

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

people seem to think that flying uses as much or less fuel than driving a car. It's a very strange "error of logical type" as Bertrand Russell called it. As if planes are the equivalent of car-pooling whereby you still have 1 car but more people in it and therefore LESS total cars. Obviously this is NOT how flying works!! hilarious. My more people flying that does NOT mean less planes are needed to fly people because there's not ONE plane that is for a single occupant (unless of course it's a tiny plane just flown by the pilot).

[@Mike80528]

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 The energy needed to travel at twice the speed is more than twice the energy. It's non-linear. Most people have no clue. But still, to think individual *action* can matter is absurd. Collective policy (I use that term very loosely) is needed.

[@bubbajones6907]

"requires mass awareness and consciousness"? You mean people need to watch more television until they believe sustainability is real? I suppose you believe in diverse genders and alien UFOs too. Are you one of the people who still believes they survived a pandemic?

[@madameblatvatsky]

The thing is when you fly you are participating in an horrific act for the purpose of nothing except leisure or in service to the industrial death cult in most cases. It is a privilege enjoyed by a tiny minority who can double their already insane levels of emissions in a few hours. When people who are speaking out about ecocide, overshoot, the polycrisis, the predicament, the collapse, all of that, are totally invalidating themselves when they then choose to fly somewhere to imbibe psychedelic soup or get a tan or help refugees or tell people about the predicament or whatever. Because it is completely not necessary to participate in it. And if we the rich are not able to show the willingness to put our money where our mouth is then all we are is so many pointless emissions making self-deluded idiots. Whether there is a material consequence is immaterial

[@Mike80528]

@@madameblatvatsky "for the purpose of nothing except leisure or in service to the industrial death cult in most cases." I am sorry you have severe mental health issues, but no need to project your irrationality onto others. The extremes from BOTH SIDES responding to my comment are amusing as all hell. It really highlights how hopelessly screwed we are. Almost nobody seems to really understand.

[@riikkapauliinaussa1910]

She confirms her point by immediately answering the first question by speaking about herself i e her degrees and phd. She's equally permeated by her claim of a Western sense of self.

[@Fishgreyeyes]

Last week I had a job interview, and the guy did not even ask in the beginning how I was doing. not even as a standard thing to begin a conversation. there was no human interaction at all, no chitchat, no emotional display on his face during the whole interview and afterwards he suggested in an email me having presented pictures from an already published paper, but clearly they were different, just the style was the same. How do you cope with people not being able to access their emotions and being solely focused on always being high-achievers, high-performers and linear thinkers? imo these people have island talents, but they should not be in charge of other people. people tending to be more introspective should be the ones laying out strategies, not the linear thinkers. yet they are the ones that are most in charge in our society. I still feel emotionally violated by this interview.

[@singingway]

18:53 our elected representatives are not adequately acting in our interests, how can we "get them more muffins" -- change the structure of their political environment -- so that they CAN act in more effective ways?

[@Edo9River]

Cute❤ you are so much like our daughters. Nice to stumble upon your video as I take a break from Japanese at 1:32 AM

[@anasalote2390]

Thank you. Love it. Message to govt - grow some balls and regulate. People might actually relish the challenge.

[@Encephalitisify]

I smoke. I figure by the time I get cancer, the world will be burning anyway, so why not. That’s my cognitive dissonance.

[@Changeworld408]

This has been on my mind since reading several books on smoking and getting addiction solutions.i think offering a cigaret to a non smoker or young child would never be embraced like chocolate or ice cream or fries and still smokers cant be convinced their is not one positive aspect of them continuing smoking. True cognitive dissonance😂

[@UK75roger]

And anyway, we need to smoke to stay calm in the chaos that surrounds us!

[@ppetal1]

​@@UK75rogerwe need to not have addictions. Addicts are comforted by their harmful addictions. I gave up again recently out of curiosity about the societal climate breakdown.

[@TheDiversifiedFarmer]

Not ignoring the science of psychology and criminology.

[@jasonblack6142]

Noone knows the absolute truth .

[@and1play5]

sarah should read spinal catastrophism

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

Deep Canvassing sounds like Dianetics. hahahahaha

[@loumoon7660]

I love this channel but it’s so hard to watch

[@AnimalPersonhood]

How ironic, that a discussion on cognitive dissonance doesn't mention animal agriculture on the topic of climate change. 🤔 "Meat related cognitive dissonance"(MRCD) to be specific. The leading cause of deforestation is animal farming, and it's one leading source of CO2 & methane emissions. Given the significant impact of climate change on biodiversity and animal habitats, one might expect animals to be a part of such conversations.

[@HidingFromFate]

Well, the conversation was only an hour so they can't touch upon everything. Not that I know what either of their positions are with respect to this issue. But your general point is a valid one. I've seen "street interviews" of attendees at various climate-related conferences or conventions and the degree of ignorance about this topic among the people you would expect to have at least a passing familiarity with this issue is pretty surprising.

[@AnimalPersonhood]

​@@HidingFromFate Climate comes up briefly at 39:22. Diet is a top issue, if not THE top issue. It is the cow in the room we are ignoring, only because it's the easiest thing to change. It's easier to complain about nebulous entitles and geo-policatal issues rather than just look to the most basic simple thing we have the power to change, because complaining about those things doesn't require personal effort. We may not be able to escape transportation, phones, technology, but we CAN easily ONLY eat plant foods.* I was super interested in this podcast at first, but that has turned to disappointment - I noticed that when it comes to the most impactful changes that we actually have the power to make, they are either mum, or only speak to straw-man examples of plant based future looks like - like in the episode titled "Transitional Farming for a Plant-Based Future", Most all guests who speak on agriculture or environment seem to be super pro-meat and host never pushes back, the refusal to acknowledge the ideals that underly veganism( non-exploitation of weaker beings) and plant-based(least destructive diet) as important to improving the planet, despite the vast obvious benefits, is just absurd to witness.

[@kathyfaulk710]

I am making the assumption that Ayahuasca is a younger persons' acid trip?

[@44point5]

All the people I know of who have travelled to South America for the experience are older than 50.

[@davidwilkie9551]

Mathematical Disproof Methodology is stuck in a loop of explaining what is not true, and having to leave self-defining truth stand alone as unique Individuality, because this is what, how and why inside-outside holographic positioning presence operates, a Totality of freeze-framing time-timing in which you, me and everyone are modeled in similar chemistry and sense-in-common conscious awareness of real-time memory associations. Probably not worth arguing about. WYSIWYG Actuality.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

not really - people lie all the time and the holographic intention can be accessed by an ether that inherently can not be seen - and it's based on an asymmetric time-frequency dynamic called noncommutativity.

[@HidingFromFate]

I haven't the foggiest notion about what either of you two have just said. But that's on me, I guess. @@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

[@jasonblack6142]

The fortnite circle is closing in . prepare my fellow humans

[@A3Kr0n]

I don't ignore science, I ignore science that doesn't fit my beliefs. Shouldn't we go with our gut? Go on a hunch and do what feels right?

[@bubbajones6907]

Neither of these women have any clue as to what science really is.

[@sjoerd1239]

I find this very unconvincing, being too abstract and debatable.

[@and1play5]

so yall mad we playing wit cells? we will extend life period lmao

[@veganpundit1]

Vegan activists deal with CD all the time in their discussions...have you gone vegan yet, what excuses does your ego come up with?

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

I think people do get "hard-wired" intentions once they get through puberty. hahah. Freud was right about some stuff.

[@junanougues]

You guys talk about our sense of self as if you knew. We dont have the slightest idea what the neurobiology of the self looks like. In fact, there isn't even an approximate existing theory of what it might look like. And, by the way, what "non-weird cultures" are you even talking about? Would that, also, not be a relevant question? So we have a better idea of what the lady is talking about, that other cultures supposedly are not carried away by the western "weird notion" of wanting to be attached to one's experience of the self? Yeah, Buddhism, but its the ONLY instance known in "non-weird" countries. Not to mention thats only one worldview of the self of Buddhism among a huge variety of other versions that spill over into Hinduism. Where the impersonalism is now deeply and profoundly preoccupied by the effort to not only understand the self, but to experience it more deeply, with many relationships from this supposedly - we dont know - illusory and unreliable hub of feeling and action. Please. Which you call illusory or naive, but, apparently, it clearly has played a positive role in our evolutionary history, language. What the self is actually made from that we do know a bit about, symbolic worlds. A language attribute that does not have to be a source of conflict with the objective world, demonstrably. Pacific Islanders had a complex mythology of selfhood existing in the cosmos, but were amazing inductive observers, critical thinkers, and better navigators than Perry and Magellan put together. So you are not honest thinkers that care about having even a dash or a pinch of intellectual integrity or fair way of examining reality - or our subjective experiences of the world. About the only thing you actually do prove compleatly, and depressingly enough, to add to everything else, is that discussion and reflexion of the self is a profoundly political issue these days, too. And, might add, pretty unserviceable and shitty journalism, by the way, that dies. And does not help with anything. The climate emergency is NOT a cognitive dissonance issue. We know whats going on. That has to do with power and money. All political issue - which you cowardly pseudo intellectuals do NOTHING to help confront. While NOTHING changes, you make worse by gaslighting human agency, clap, clap, while kids and the future continue to get screwed. I suggest sharpening up with a class or two on philosophy of science to cover the gaps, at least a little. Some Thucydides wouldn't hurt either.

[@connerblank5069]

There's a "woke moralists obsessed with identity politics" joke in here somewhere, I know there is...

[@garyjohnson1466]

This was a most interesting cool enjoyable conversation,, despite Sarah fixation with her wet hair, lol, however, I wonder how many far right politicians and maga type religious people would watch this, or change their positions etc, even billionaires, CEO, wealthy powerful corporate types, even Trump, who really needs psychological help….well, anyways, just a thought, Peace !

[@HidingFromFate]

I think you need to tailor the content source to your intended audience. Sometimes it can be a bridge too far, so to speak, for the particular type of person you wish to engage. For example, if I perceive someone to be somewhat of a moderate or marginally conservative, I would more likely suggest content from someone like Nate Hagens to them. He's pretty relatable and non-threatening to the average Gen X'er, boomer and older Millennials who isn't already highly engaged (or rabbit-holed) within strident social media platforms. Hagens comes from the corporate Wall St. world, but also has some higher Master or PHD level education in environmental-related studies. But if someone is a little more right wing and who doesn't take climate and resource issues seriously, alternatively I might suggest someone like Chris Martensen of Peak Prosperity who I perceive to be more right-wing. He came out of the the corporate world as well, but I think he would probably be more relatable to MAGA or MAGA adjacent types than Hagens would be. Martensen is very big on discussing resource depletion issues and the fact that traditional economic growth metrics will be coming to an end, with an emphasis on building smaller like-minded communities to help sustain in times ahead. But because some of his other non-climate or resource-related views tend to more traditional right wing, I can see him making more headway convincing people about the severity of environmental issues with the type of persons who hold similarly more traditional conservative views on a few other topics (gender "ideology", Marxism/socialism, etc.).

[@VillelaAndradeProductions]

Stop talking about the muffins!

[@susanl3510]

I unsubscribed at the mention of weeping while on mushrooms.

[@Changeworld408]

next time give yr guest more time to dry her hair

[@hime273]

"Planet Earth coming to at least a very unpleasant....uhhh, New......Order." Oh, well there's not gonna be any truth given here, because these two are low quality Social Engineers.