BEST vs WORST concept changes in kpop

[@PlanetMinjae]

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[@Jungwontheonlywon]

Yes 🤩

[@Jungwontheonlywon]

Also the face reveal omg you’re so pretty lol😭❤️

[@moonpalaces]

the weeekly sound change was crazy bc y’all was literally just singing about hanging with your besties after school and having holiday parties but now y’all are suddenly in space dancing in front of fire? 😭

[@MrPorcShop1]

Nah frr on god 😭😭

[@nthapa2640]

Maybe they got kidnapped by aliens from hello future in nct dream mv then had to fight with aliens to protect earth.

[@suvikies1]

Fr like i want the og back 😭

[@sooyasdior]

like ????😭

[@shineinstars]

tbf ion think they have any lore (i could b wrong tho) so it doesn't rlly matter but it was still such a sudden change 😭

[@Sorayax073]

I think the right way to do a sound change is what TWICE did. They started out with a cute concept and gradually became more mature with FANCY for example while still maintaining their core identity

[@twicequeens6055]

Yes true❤️

[@candyhyojung1860]

yess like it was a natural progression as they grew up but their music and concepts still remain bright and colourful just with a more mature vibe too

[@sharktamer]

so true, it really was such a graceful transition

[@nova-in9oh]

fancy and feel special were such good transition songs

[@sharktamer]

@@nova-in9oh they were such incredible releases that unfortunately I'd say they've not been able to match them since (not yet anyway)

[@cloudofreverie786]

Weeekly was actually the leading 4th gen gg for 2020. Even up there with stayc but what stayc has, weeekly doesn't. A consistent sound and a solid vision from the company.

[@imani7979]

exactly and great tts with pretty good (and occasionally amazing) bsides. now all stayc has to do is release a full-fledged album!!

[@SUBLIMERENCE]

fr. this is why stayc kept the hype after asap because they released consistent hits but weeekly wasn’t able to keep their hype after after school

[@weto620]

Having one hit wonder is not leading

[@cloudofreverie786]

@@weto620 they won rookie of the year too don't forget that

[@weto620]

@@cloudofreverie786 no competition if stayc debut earlier stayc will win that roty instead of weeekly.

[@deanxzayn1408]

Seventeen i feel i like is such a versatile group and can fit with every concept and remain true to it

[@cindylee6663]

exactly

[@nova-in9oh]

exactly, i thought vernon wouldn’t be good with cuter concepts but he just looks so natural in songs like oh my and mansae

[@nataliemooney2006Army]

Lies

[@user-in8xy8wd5b]

All I can say, Seventeen really want trying something new for every time they had. It's good, they always present something new and following the trend + mixed with their signature, but pls, I'm still waiting another Getting Closer (dark?) concept of them in the future😭

[@yoongirat845]

@@nataliemooney2006Army ok

[@jantjenotjanche]

I think Seventeen still sounds like Seventeen (at least for me) and I also really like the songs they put out

[@hynatashaa]

yup.. me too

[@SHERBETCOUPS]

same

[@lilyaslaciowiese4028]

Samex3

[@keecarat]

Up! Different concepts but still SEVENTEEN

[@theconqueror9732]

Cant agree more

[@sallyseashelly8821]

Seventeen's title tracks still feel very Seventeen to me, but you can definitely hear the HYBE influence in their releases after Fear. It's probably why a lot of people seemed to like their Japanese title tracks more than their Korean title tracks for 2020, because their Japanese tracks haven't had that HYBE influence, not yet at least.

[@guadalupemontoya1819]

I totally see that HYBE influence. Their songs aren’t bad, but the HYBE concepts are so rigid that it takes away the excitement you used to get with Seventeen songs. Even with the strict staying on concept, I can still clearly identify it as a Seventeen because you can always hear those parts of the song that just sound/feel SEVENTEEN.

[@user-in8xy8wd5b]

@@guadalupemontoya1819 sometimes I feel bad for them, I think the old collaboration between Woozi Bumzu Prism etc got interfered by Hybe a lot for now. Even though Hybe was a biggest company, but that doesn't mean they had much best song to produce, yup I said that. It's a bullshit when they told they're just support Svt for international promotion, but nowadays they seems forced to changes Seventeen to be looked as they owned by them.

[@sufasufa9567]

@@user-in8xy8wd5b I specially disliked their new song HOT, the only part that truly felt like oh this is svt was the bridge. Other than that, the repetitive chorus just feels so commercial and trendy i hate it so much.

[@mariealbch9958]

the only song not feel like seventeen basic style is "HOT" for me

[@gracezb1]

the same thing happened with gfriend

[@loveydovey229]

seventeen has always seemed like seventeen with all songs to me! they always are THE group that doesn’t follow trends and does what is best for the group! like this upcoming album… it sounds so good already! and ‘domino’ (a bside) reminds me of the newer version of ‘oh my!’ they have kept their seventeen feel! but ofc their maturity will give us more mature concepts, yet they can still give us that old seventeen feel! which is amazing

[@katherinebaybayan1225]

EXACTLY!

[@nabila2002]

yeah, I don't agree with what he said at all... SVT has such a versatile (I mean what artist releases such different concepts in one album?) and it's just so SVT...

[@katherinebaybayan1225]

@@nabila2002 that’s exactly right. It makes them versatile. Not to mention they still perform their older songs. Their personalities haven’t changed. They’re still the same 13 chaotic boys from 2015.

[@katherinebaybayan1225]

And even their newer albums have songs that still carry that SVT sound. Look at Heaven’s Cloud, Light a Flame, and If you leave me. That’s SVT’s trademark sound.

[@sollyrose]

Totally agree, Seventeen barely changed... They are still Seventeen and will always be Seventeen.

[@elladyson8886]

I agree with what you said about svt, however I will say they've kept their soft-ness (?) that they always had, a boyish quality that's helped them stand out in its genuineness, mostly high soft male voices, Pastel (ish) blue and pink colours, it hasn't dissapeared over the years, even as they grew up. and for that im thankful 😊

[@ncteumaja]

The Hot mv teaser just came out, it seems to be over with the softness 🤡

[@aresvtreallyadultstm7735]

agreed. I mean, they're a 7 year old boy group (they'll turn on 26th may) so you can't expect them to have a young, fresh college boys vibe all the time. they're all young men who strive to try many different concept and I'm very fine with that. that's just my opinion though

[@05kbs70]

well the entire album of henggare and semicolon album is kinda like a throwback to their older stuffs but with a matured sound

[@cloudysu]

yepp i agree plus even in the newer albums there are softer and sweet songs like heaven's cloud, imperfect love, sdsmsn, to you and even domino ig because from the highlight medley it sounded very cute

[@newt3786]

I wish they kept their more energetic/ boy crush songs - I recently was listening to trauma and oh my ! I miss their older songs sm and have stopped standing them after your choice :/ I still like them as a group but their music doesn’t hit the same anymore

[@cindylee6663]

Sorry but seventeen deserve so much better than what they have achieved. I've seen ppl saying "svt has changed.." yes ofc they need to. They continue to grow in an unexpected way and are never afraid to experiment new elements of music and genres. It's seriously for old fans to finally move on from old svt music that are gold but also pls start to appreciate their spirit in challenging their limits!!!! Because "They are NOT seventeen anymore"!!!!! Also everyone tune in for seventeen new comeback "Face the Sun" on May 27th!!!

[@aerinlin3141]

also seventeen said : i'm not seventeen anymore kekeke~

[@yukari811]

I honestly dont want the changes to be fully controlled by hybe, pledis, or the trend. I really hope that svt is still making music with their own choices. It is also one of the reasons why I stan svt so hard, its because of the members' being widely enthusiastic of their own songs.

[@luisab3079]

Absolutely agree with Mamamoo; I also adore their jazz era, but there's just no denying that the newer songs are absolutely amazing.

[@saintnicole3209]

i miss their big, powerful vocal performances full of belts and crazy runs. i feel like now they are in their ariana grande whisper singing era and i don't like it as much.

[@luisab3079]

@@saintnicole3209 That only applies to mumumuch though, right? The release before, WAW, was full of big powerful vocal moments.

[@lunarialoonatic]

I don’t stan but their music now is more my style and I casually stream more of their newer stuff. I will say tho I am not a jazz person so I’m biased

[@stan3rdgenkpop]

mamamoo is wayyyy too talented to be confined within only one genre

[@you-chiehchi476]

I still consider Mamamoo better up until 4 season; since they start using head mics in HIP instead of hand mics it shows less of their power vocal

[@AP-of5kj]

i disagree about seventeen's rock with you so much, it's one of their best songs in my opinion. and i'm so incredibly disappointed with weeekly. went from one of my fav sounds in kpop, incredibly original, emotional, happy, catchy, fun, energetic, songs that fully showcased their incredible talent, to... bland, unoriginal and lower quality... i'd add astro as a bad change.

[@hollyz24]

omg yes i agree.. rock with you may not be the most experimental or unique but there is something about it that hits so incredibly hard, maybe emotionally for me. absolute favorite seventeen song personally!! also, i’d agree with the astro one to a certain extent! i absolutely love astro’s first songs like breathless, baby, crazy sexy cool. but i actually also love their sound change to the more angelic sound- all night, knock, blue flame. i personally think that sound suits astro so incredibly well and some of their best songs came from that angelic sound! but i feel like since one, i’ve been slowly losing interest. i feel like they’re branching out so much more with their sound with after midnight being kind of retro and one being kind of dark, which ofc isn’t bad to do, but those tracks haven’t hit as hard as their bright/cute or their angelic/magical tracks. so basically i think their first sound change was good, second not so much.

[@AP-of5kj]

@@hollyz24 exactly! rock with you makes me so emotional!! and i actually used to be a huge astro stan back in 2016 and 2017, but their first release after crazy sexy cool, idk which one it was, it just wasn't my taste at all. to me, it was less original than their previous tracks. so i slowly lost interest. it's interesting that you say they changed their sound again - i will check those songs out, to see if i agree! :D also they just had a comeback, right? i will check that out and give them a chance again after all these years. they're a really talented group and i love their personalities.

[@KyokoChan9]

Yes!! I love Rock to You so much and think it's one of their best too!! It's in my top 3 kpop songs of 2021 and I still love it so much!! ❤

[@gummiismile130]

Whatever SEVENTEEN release is masterpiece , no offence their new music can't be as good as old but still they nail it!! I love Attacka & Hangarae and Semi;colon , they have the best b-sides

[@racheljohnson7177]

Same. I'm only disappointed in concept changes when it feels forced or the group doesn't suit it

[@cindylee6663]

@@racheljohnson7177 no svt literally nailed the new concept too

[@istyanaputri3205]

i'm agree that although they always nail it we miss their old song I find my interest in their b-side now than their title track

[@multikoala7970]

@@istyanaputri3205 Then better stream the old Seventeen songs and new seventeen b-sides! Stop acting like old songs are gone. If you like it then listen to it. Stop being edgy and ruin someone's take for their "Music Growth"

[@nova-in9oh]

i really love semi;colon era, light a flame and AH! LOVE are such amazing songs. but i do miss them making songs like mansae and very nice bc there my fav songs from them.

[@rainboworldstan]

I like Ven Para by WEEEKLY but I agree on what you said, they were doing fine with their fresh concepts but this change was unnecessary

[@alesaliz]

Same, I honestly don’t think it’s a bad song, but it was just not for them.

[@lunarialoonatic]

I would love it if it were a few years down the line… it was just too soon

[@rainboworldstan]

@@lunarialoonatic Yes! That was my thought. The producers said that it was "the time" to change the concept, wtf they only had 3 comebacks and pum, a suddenly change.

[@XxwalaweixX]

​@@rainboworldstan agreed, a great example of concept change is Twice in 2019 with their Fancy and Feel Special release... going for more mature concept, but they didn't overdo it

[@lunarialoonatic]

@@rainboworldstan I know! And the worst part is that the company established their concept from the beginning. They all have stage names resembling the days of the week, they have the cutest styles and stages and music videos bringing it all together. Then they suddenly dropped it all… that concept was primarily the reason they won roty of 2019. Ofc they are all talented but the concept all just worked. It pulled everything they had together, showcased all of their talents. They suddenly dropped it after… four comebacks? It just feels like a waste

[@kaly5678]

Weeekly's sound change was one of the biggest disappointments of the year for me. When I first heard about Ven Para I immediately thought "oh great now they are becoming like every other 4th gen gg out there." They took away the one thing that made them stand out in the oversaturated girl crush kpop scene.

[@terran9264]

The moment I saw the banner announcing play game: awake, I knew there was trouble. This era will forever be remembered as the era where Weeekly lost their best songwriter Jiyoon.

[@deborac7399]

i think one of the best and most sucessful concept changes has to be Apink's, the sucess of I'm so sick 7 years into their career and everything that came after that really goes to show that

[@juncupid03]

omg yes Apink and Victon (under the same label) definitely matured a lot, and their new concept helped them gaining more attention :)

[@potamoons1776]

The Hush era wasn't that good for me..

[@kentingz]

which makes zero sense in weeekly’s condition because apink and weeekly are under the same company… it doesn’t make sense

[@juncupid03]

@@kentingz their company usually makes artists start w a cute concept and, with time, they give them more dark/mature songs. weeekly's situation is unusual because it's too "soon" to give them a dark concept. but tbh I like the song so I won't complain :))

[@dashafed_03]

Also, SVT 2021 were my favorite. Rwy and Rtl are incredible. Tho I agree that their earlier songs are absolutely iconic, rwy and rtl just live deep in my soul

[@sree7731]

Yeah I agree....my sister started stanning them after hearing Rwy. And now she is annoying me to find a bias for her

[@0x1_chips]

Rock with you and ready to love are probably some of my favourite songs of all time, I listen to them all the time!

[@Nameless_mixes]

Groups who I think have had great sound changes: -Red Velvet (Duh!) -Twice (I love how their sound naturally became more mature with the group slowly but surely!) -Dreamcatcher (You know, when they rebranded from Minx) -CLC (They could've been massive if Cube Entertainment just let them stick to girl crush songs) -Pink Fantasy (I'm not a fan of "Lemon Candy" and "Shadow Play" is alright. But "Poison" and "Tales Of Unusual" are incredible and I hope that they continue down that path!)

[@express999snsd]

I love when girlgroups go from cute to a fancy/classy/fun kinda concept as it's the case with twice sz

[@user-cv9ko1tx4d]

PINKFANTASY YES

[@starhwas]

I would love to see PF continue with the rock/goth path a lot more !!!

[@QueenIrene4382]

I’m still mad at cube for coming out with ‘Hobgoblin’ then ‘Where are u?’ IN THE SUMMER

[@yveswisemoon6644]

Omg yes Dreamcatcher and PinkFantasy >>>>>>

[@lunarialoonatic]

I only disagree with Seventeen I stood officially after Left n Right and Home Run. Idk, personally for me only a few bg’s can pull off the fun/bright sound. Feel like all of the members suit the switch unlike the earlier ones. Maybe because I grew to really know them after the concept change? I will agree though that yes, they do tend to follow trends but I still think they add their own flair and the end result is still great

[@cindylee6663]

exactly sometimes people just dislike for the sake of disliking.

[@UFO339]

@@cindylee6663 no some pple maybe stanning seventeen from agen n r not a fan of the abrupt concept change

[@banyasin6103]

@@cindylee6663 ikr some of their newer music is better than the older one , and the members matured too they can't sing like teenagers for 7 years

[@nataliemooney2006Army]

Shut up

[@毅剛譲羽]

I'm curious about these "trends" that you speak of; I've only been following SVT's releases for the longest time, so I'm absolutely clueless about other groups. If you don't mind, could you name the trends?

[@dekmini4007]

If you define the "bad" sound as lack of originality and identity, I disagree with the Seventeen one. I've been a Carat since Mansae era (when the name Carat didnt even exist) and Seventeen still have their identity. What attract me to SVT is that they grow older with their fans. We can see around debut - 2018 they kept the fresh teenagers era (they literally have an album named Teen:Age). BUUUT in the end of 2018, when Dino--the maknae of Seventeen--would turn 20 or became adult, they introduced Getting Closer, the first kinda dark (almost) title song of SVT. I take this as "hey dude welcome to our mature era". And from 2019 till now we can see SVT as they are: adulting. The concept change is not that sudden. They wait for their maknae to be adult to change the concept gradually. About the sound, as long as Woozi and Bumzu are assigned as the main producers, SVT is still SVT. They tend to explore various genres in music so listening to SVT's title tracks might cause mood swings lol. Woozi loves to use anti-drop and percussion-less prechorus with harmony in their songs and i take this as their identity. The difference is before-after acquisition, like Woozi-Bumzu got chances to collaborate with various producers around the world to produce their songs and I admit it did make them sounds different. You mentioned about "follow the trend" as the change when 2017's Dont Wanna Cry was literally the most trendy sound SVT ever produced and 2020's Home;run was the only broadway concept in Kpop around that era. But yup i will take this video as the point of view of general people. Just want to clarify some points here so you'll know that the change is there for the reason.

[@sufasufa9567]

what did you think of their new title track HOT?

[@vanillasugarkookies5830]

I totally agree with some of your points as a carat as well. But disagree on some. Ever since debut, Seventeen has always talked about bringing fresh music to the kpop scene that's why they stuck to the concept and that's what made them grow because they were different. It's one of the reasons I became a carat instantly. Of course that doesn't mean their songs are not as good as before, their songs are still good but I miss a lot of songs where they're more playful and will just have fun with it. Like pretty u and oh my. I still love Seventeen and I still support them though.

[@dekmini4007]

@@sufasufa9567 the song is good, i like it

[@meowonu]

Everyone saying svt changed, they sound so generic etc in the comment section...it's clear that you guys don't listen to their albums anymore. I understand if you don't vibe with the title tracks but their b-sides? If you say svt's b-sides are not good then you are literally lying. And the quality of their songs are still the same. I love their old songs and new songs the same. Don't tell me yall seriously expect men in their late 20s to always do cute concepts. They are evolving. They always tried new genres or styles and have done a great job every single time. If you have nothing good to say, just keep your mouth shut. Or keep seventeen away from this narrative

[@meira_17]

ifkr lyk r these ppl even carats 🙄✋🏽???? Bet they r sumn random casual listeners who doesn't even know svt's entire discography. They want bright concepts!?!?? Svt literally released darling lmao😭 n it was fully produced by Korean producers while jihoon being da main. These ppl r just salty bc now they r under hybe n can't fathom da fact svt is still an independent grp who still self produces😭😂 also wtf is svt following trends!?!? They make da trends themselves LMAO 🤡 these casual listeners who call themselves multis don't know wut their talking abt

[@katherinebaybayan1225]

Thank you!

[@shhhh_treasure]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE DUMBOS AT THE BACK🥴🤚

[@vhiralauron8208]

I'm sorry but as a carat, I disagree. As long as woozi composes mainly for all the songs in their album, I'll buy it. I don't think it is a concept (?) change, it still feels seventeen to me, sound and looks. They grow up and matured throughout the years, and svt is a 7 year old group aren't they there's no way their sound wouldn't change (adore u to rwy). I understand where ur coming from tho and i respect ur opinion P. S. They are coming back this May 27 i hope u could also check it out :)

[@wine8518]

Can you tell me if u know the first song played in the video by seventeen ? What is the title!

[@gvnblade]

@@wine8518 title track "Oh My!" from their You Make My Day album

[@steviruby]

For seventeen I don't think their sound is changed is still the same.. just like back then their title track is more fresh and they have one dark bside song (ex. Pretty u with Chuck).. And now they try the other way around, with more mature title track and fresh b-side... For me rock with u, home run, darling is still their fresh concept... All I wanna wish is them to do what they believe and love... But i respect your opinion...

[@_____3850]

"mamamoo evolved from girl group to women group " is an iconic line now 🤧 periodt!

[@Syrin23]

Rock With You is AMAZING, way better than their old stuff, and Holiday Party is probably Weeekly's best song

[@terran9264]

We stan holiday party (and the bsides) 💚🤍💚🤍💚🤍💚🤍

[@beautiful-flaws]

seventeen dont follow trends at all in my opinion, they do whats generally best for the group as a whole. plus i can still feel the old svt in their new songs. THEYRE COMING BACK ON MAY 27 BTW SUPPORT :)

[@ncteumaja]

I wouldn't call Reveal The Boyz' old sound as i think it was pretty different for them, their old sound is those more fresh dance tracks like Giddy up, right here and ddd for weeekly, coming from a daileee, i do also hope they're gonna go back to their old sound asap i know that the members expressed that they wanted to try a darker/more mature concept and I'm glad that the company did let them try and i don't hate ven para, but their old sound just suits them much better and makes them stand out more from other girl groups

[@jantjenotjanche]

I feel the same way

[@girlwithluv-multifandom]

Same, I miss that sound. DDD is one of my fave kpop songs

[@ncteumaja]

​@@girlwithluv-multifandom ddd got me into the boyz 🥲

[@prettybabyyeji7413]

i lowkey miss tbz's old fun and silly sound

[@nova-in9oh]

@@prettybabyyeji7413 “silly” 😭😭

[@sethers102]

In my opinion Seventeen is a miss in this video considering they have done so many different sounds and concepts across their career. They are just trying something new which is something theyve done almost every comeback. Also they arent teenagers anymore it would be silly for their music to have the same/simialir concept and/or sound as they debuted with.

[@cindy_carat5057]

exactly!

[@cherrychoi8848]

TRUE!

[@theseaofstories2959]

Totally agree with Weeekly They were my all time favourite 4th gen rookie girl group. I loved Tag Me, Zig Zag and After School. I liked Holiday Party though it wasn't their best. But that was all before Ven Para..... aka The Most unnecessary sound change. I need old Weeekly back 😪

[@terran9264]

Same! I am literally the most diehard Holiday party fan, their bsides in that album were amazing too

[@Nameless_mixes]

"Ven Para" should have been a B-Side that got some stage performances/promotion just to test the waters and see if the general public liked them in girl crush concepts. Instead, they dove head first into the deep end and drowned... Umpah Umpah...

[@wujustay546]

I'm calling it rn ven para by weeekly is going to be in this video and imo I still prefer their old concept

[@OPPAWONTMARRYYOU]

Same. Honestly the new one sucks big time.

[@Alexza525]

@@OPPAWONTMARRYYOU You don't speak for everyone sis...

[@jinchihoshi5910]

i was super happy when seventeen released darling because it really did brought me back to 2017? 2016 of svt and of course ever song from them is the best but oh my and songs like thanks etc really have a part of my heart

[@Lena-vi6gh]

Agreed on Weeekly--they were my favorite rookie gg...pre-Ven Para. I went from listening to their whole discography on shuffle once a week, to watching that MV once. Full stop. I really hope IST is smart with their next comeback....

[@zahra2420]

Seventeen members all are above 23 now so the music concepts must be mature Its not like they can stay with highschool concept for so long. But the most coolest thing is the seventeen vibe, the original and the feelings you get are still the same. They don't lose that. There new songs are not boring and are so cool.

[@kevinscheeseballhair9720]

Tbh, I was confused when you put Reveal as TBZ’s old sound because I thought you’d be talking about their change from a bright image (Giddy Up, Bloom Bloom, etc.) to darker ones (Reveal, Maverick, etc.) which isn’t a bad concept change!

[@lea.kampenhuber]

especially since they still switch up now, take thrill ride and maverick! I love them so much for their diversity

[@jhakms1146]

my thoughts exactly

[@karinvasu3005]

fear had snap shoot as a bside that they also promoted showing that they arent done with the more bright n fresh feel theyve gone in their early years heng:garae (left and right) and semicolon (home run) as whole albums just have good energy as a whole + the lyrics r very seventeen-like...id argue that those title tracks actually have svt's energy still, showing kind of like clap's energy, but theyre just trying out new genres. semicolon also has "hey buddy" which ppl say is "aju nice but for friends" the drastic change came with ready to love which had more producers work on it, but essentially it's still seventeen dunno why it's so looked down upon if they're deviating from their old sound cos their old music is Still there. it's never going to go away. they still perform their old music in concerts. it was their youth. svt acknowledge that era of music still. they want to be known for their versatility as a team and not just for that one genre/concept they were known for...like i doubt that they wont ever release anything fresh or bright ever again, darling literally has that sound if you think about it

[@LunaLongbottomLove]

Literally????? Any Fear-anti is no friend of mine I might not absolutely LOVE some of their recent title tracks as much as I L O V E a lot of their older ones (which is fine! I still do *like* them! and not every comeback will be everyone's favorite! They are still putting out *plenty* of good music) But I cannot believe anyone would lump Fear in and call it a bad sound change when the Fear + Snapshoot promotion combo is literally one of the *most iconic* title track/b-side pairings anyone has *ever* promoted with in the history of k-pop!!!! (imho... 👀) Like??? People really need to put some respect on Snap Shoot's name And Fear too for that matter!!!! Unbelievable...

[@oftheseventhlayer]

clc for me has the best sound change in kpop because they actually evolved to a genre that suits them a lot better. it’s just cube was too much of a coward to commit to that sound because 4minute still exists and they don’t want to overshadow the debut of i-dle.

[@procastination_is_my_passi4182]

Mamamoo's songs are always so discernible from others. It doesn't matter what kind of genre it might be, when you hear it, you just know when a song is from mamamoo

[@sollyrose]

I've never understood people that say Seventeen changed. To me they are one of the most consistent group through the years. Of course they've changed a little, they've matured and everything. But to me they still sound like Seventeen. They stayed true to their essence. I guess like everybody I was affraid when Pledis went under Hybe. But they showed me I had nothing to worry about. Their recent releases still scream "SEVENTEEN" to me. ^^ So yeah, it always confuses me. When I see people say "Seventeen changed" I'm like "then other groups totally metamorphosed". 😂😂

[@sera48g]

Mine is GFRIEND's 'sound' (it was more of a concept change) change from Navillera to Fingertip. Don't get me wrong I LOVE Fingertip, it's an amazing song. However they basically did something simmiliar to Weeekly. They threw away their general public support and lost abit of momentum. They were still very successful but I can't help but wonder what would've happened if Love Whisper was released after Navillera.

[@yuji-min8349]

I agreee and even though I love apple and mago. I still can't get over the change! Why did they ever do this! I love their innocent kind of music more(TFTMN is a masterpiece!) than their girl crush concept.

[@jorgeesco8739]

The difference is that Weeekly doesn't have the general public suppport. I don't really like 'Ven Para' but one time I saw a comment that said "Everyone acts as if they miss the old Weeekly but none of them actually care for their old songs except for After School" it was something like that and I'm agree with it

[@sera48g]

@@jorgeesco8739 They could've build a name of off their concept though.

[@akuhappy3246]

@@jorgeesco8739 they change their concept too cuickly. They need to established their signature sound before going to different genre all together

[@Louise-wk5yf]

I hope weekly will have a Time for a moon night era for redemption.

[@casi9095]

I love MAMAMOO’s growth and versatility ❤️

[@julesr6965]

weeekly concept change broke my heart… i fall into the group of people who used to love their music and now don’t listen unfortunately 😭 if they go back to a more cute concept i’ll definitely stan them again

[@nataliemooney2006Army]

Not you wanting girls to be little girls forever they are maturing

[@julesr6965]

@@nataliemooney2006Army LMAO WHAT

[@a.sulzyy]

Agreed! I think it would be fine if they did a more mature sound in the future, but they literally have only 2 comebacks and their debut… like please wait a second haha. Hope their next song can at least be a bit more bright, it doesn’t even need to be full on cute at this point :(

[@dmitri9803]

@@nataliemooney2006Army you can mature and still sound good, Ven Para sounds very bad for like 80 % of the song. It’s bland, extremely generic and has no identity (+ that terrible autotune).

[@justineperez7815]

acting like svt didn't just release darling. svt does different concept every time

[@yoo_kween]

I have to disagree with Seventeen, I personally love their concept change.

[@asta7376]

completely disagree with Seventeen, tell me which other boy groups have released similar or even remotedly close to Left&Right, Home;Run, Ready to Love and Rock with You? I really can't think of any boy groups from the past 2 years and I have probably listened to all boy group releases and nothing comes close to it.

[@cindy_carat5057]

tell em! and the fact that svt has never forgotten their roots by always performing their old songs after so many years at concerts. antis just say anything to discredit them.

[@meira_17]

@@cindy_carat5057 ifkr lyk r these ppl even carats 🙄✋🏽???? Bet they r sumn random casual listeners who doesn't even know svt's entire discography. They want bright concepts!?!?? Svt literally released darling lmao😭 n it was fully produced by Korean producers while jihoon being da main. These ppl r just salty bc now they r under hybe n can't fathom da fact svt is still an independent grp who still self produces😭😂 also wtf is svt following trends!?!? They make da trends themselves LMAO 🤡 these casual listeners who call themselves multis don't know wut their talking abt

[@gabrielnalom4930]

If you make a part 2 Id love to hear your opinion on CIX and Cignature! C9 ent definetly made some interesting decisions. And its so fun seeing peoples opinions. Other groups: - CLC - Cherry Bullet - Apink

[@i.nv.u]

I think cignatures music is still good, but I'm conflicted with the concept change. On one hand, I think boyfriend gave them more general listeners, but at the same time I really miss that quirky sound they had in listen & speak.

[@melisak1963]

I just still don’t get the svt one. They still sound the same they just matured so I don’t get it lol. And they always try something new and set their own trends, it was always like that..

[@WilmerPedroso]

...I think the relevant TBZ concept change in their history as a group is between the DDD (bright, boyish concepts since debut with Boy, Giddy Up, Right Here, Bloom Bloom) and Reveal (darker, more mature going into their RTK/KD concepts, The Stealer, Maverick) eras. If anything, yeah your opinions about the Japanese titles hold up but their sound there have generally been consistent in terms of vibes. Like I get where you're coming from with the critique and it's valid, but I just think the opinion is a bit misplaced/not that appropriate contextually in terms of the video.

[@jamorant640]

Meanwhile Kpop group ONEUS changes sound every comeback😂

[@beateuboxeu5970]

For me. I think the best concept changes is definitely NCT DREAM’s. As they debuted at a young age, their concept also grows with them? Like Chewing gum represents Childhood, then MFAL represents adolescence, GO represents puberty (rebellious part of life), then BOOM represents adulthood and maturity and now theyre at that stage where they can experiment with different types of concepts but still manage to keep their “Dream” image. Personally, I think Nct Dream’s discography is one of the most versatile and best in KPOP!!

[@theyansterr]

There were so many other ways to mature weeekly’s concept like fromis_9 did with their concept. Sigh ven para was so bad

[@chrislee3601]

Dm is a top 10 mv of the year tbh

[@ddalgihope]

in my opinion, seventeen songs still have the essence of the group. they changed the style, but you can recognize is very seventeen yet.

[@amrithai.5705]

idk man svt is just at a different point in their career. i feel like they have 4 "types" of concepts they've tried/done and all of them suit them. im glad their music has matured consistently. it wasnt jarring at all. you cant expect artists to make the same kind of music their entire career and svt ropes in great concepts and presents everyones assets *shrugs*

[@aleahscottage]

I miss old weeekly, I stood them for the school girl concept that was pretty unique. (In terms of the current sound scape) I got into them for a fun, bouncy sound, not for a switch into girl crush that imo doesn't fit most of them well.

[@sailortomoonmx]

As a deobi, I agree with what you said about Japanese release, although I still think Tattoo is a total bop. But i don't really see Revel as an older concept 😅 I think, as other have commented, DDD, Right Here and Giddy Up are better examples, and I see Reveal and even Maverick as them experimenting rather than a sound change, and The Stealer and Thrill Ride as an evolution from their young, fun and charismatic sound. But I guess it's just a matter of time to see which direction they're gonna choose. Anyway, amazing video, I would love to see more!

[@Exo-lCaratDeobiDiveFearnotMy]

Finally found a deobi😭😭

[@annadziekonska7366]

Ok as a carat I am trying hard not to be biased so I apologize here if I do sound slightly biased While I do respect that everyone has a preference in taste, to say that "svt is bad" in their change is...silly to me(?) I don't see anything jarring in their change or sound. You mention them taking trends as if it is a bad thing? Like idk, maybe it's because I'm open to artist exploring their style. Seventeen (in this case woozi as he is the main producer for the group) is allowed to take trends and make twists on them. That's great, that is growing yourself as an artist, if anything if they stuck to their "old" sound I don't think they would have went far. Also can we stop acting like taking on trends is technically bad? Svt doing a rock type concept with RWY isn't bad, like if anything yes let people hear rock more! They are still doing good imo, they are still making music they enjoy and such so their signature isn't lost there. I think it's not ok to say svts change as "bad" when it mainly probably is you just not bopping to their current stuff which is perfectly fine BUT to call it bad when nothing felt forced in their comebacks sound wise is just...weird to me? I have seen this since fear and see it now, it's a matter of if you like the song or not that's all but that's just my two cents

[@mohamadazharsia_carat7214]

Agree with u

[@Meiw7777]

I am a huge moomoo and as much as I absolutely adore their goofy jazz era and like I've never seen that before in kpop I feel like now they have alot more diversity in genre like we have hip but we also have where are we now and Aya in terms of title tracks which I feel are all very different

[@elizzzenith]

Can we talk about Cravity? Their recent sound change did WONDERS. I was always so frustrated with their original concept/sound because the songs weren't ever that unique and it was incredibly repetitive and also didn't really suit the large majority of the members. But Adrenaline was incredible, they all ace that sound and it just felt so much more right!!

[@dddolpen]

They have an upcoming refreshing vibe song from universe too! It seems to be so from the concept pics. Released next week (?) in the app and a few days later in KZbin

[@prettybabyyeji7413]

YES. They are slightly redeeming themselves with Adrenaline and the song is really catchy. I'd been putting it on repeat sometimes same with some of their b-sides from that album

[@i.nv.u]

I was really happy with the change in adrenaline!! It wasn't anything new/groundbreaking, but it was a step in the right direction. I also thought it was smart to keep their usually noisy sound in their bsides, so fans who liked that style didn't miss out

[@camilaalvarez6432]

could you recommend some songs to me? because when they debuted i was disappointed ?? bcs it wasnt that memorable and i didnt keep up with them

[@allenjeush7092]

Hard disagree on seventeen . Their previous tracks are not my taste but fear, left and right, rock with you are my jams.

[@xBlueEyedGoldilocks]

idk but I love tattoo, breaking dawn and she's the boss cause they just slap soooo hard (I'm especially looking at you sunwoo rap bridge in tattoo)

[@Avi.joyyy12]

Same!!

[@kaly5678]

Same! I really hope that they perform those songs at the concert next week.

[@prettybabyyeji7413]

I freaking love Tattoo, it's a beautiful bop, She's The Boss was decently good also

[@i.nv.u]

Breaking dawn was and still is good,,

[@thisisnancybot]

I agree on Mamamoo. Their early stuff was good, but they truly have leveled up over time.

[@zveqar473]

Disagree with SVT one. Rwy, L&R, Homerun are some of their best songs. Expecting them to have the same sound/vibe as their debut is like telling them not to be themselves - they love experimenting with different concepts and sounds, it's what they do. They still keep their uniqueness

[@xryan_5726]

one of my fav sound changes was deff nu’est! after they got over their “urban elctro band” era and transitioned to a more mature/elegant style of music (2016 onwards), with lots of glitch pop and deep house centered songs. very delicious!

[@sofia_aa]

Im a diehard fan of seventeen HOWEVER i do agree with everything you said, their funky and fresh songs were my favourites but that vibe is kinda of gone now. They do keep some of their "softness" i would say, can you all remember when we had snap shoot and fear on the same comeback? That was crazy 😂

[@sofia_aa]

And now they are promoting both 'darling' and 'hot'

[@suyeesia7770]

@@sofia_aa yes

[@elladyson8886]

if you do a part 2, I'd love to see what you thought of the loona sound shift! as a long time orbit it was v polarising and its still interesting to hear ppls takes on it!

[@Kirbykuchen]

I still can’t believe I saw mamamoo live 😭 they are everything and I love their sound 😩

[@kyeomflower2272]

i think seventeen still has the same sound like do u want men pushing 30 to do cute concepts 😭😭

[@express999snsd]

I like old seventeens songs more compared to the newest ones but it's not like there's anything so bad. It's just that something like oh my! probably won't happen again.

[@nnmmrtnz]

bring back Zig Zag and Tag Me by Weeekly >:[

[@yujiberry8200]

naur cuz TAG ME WAAAAS A CONCEPT 😭 gunna k1ll someone on the spot

[@nnmmrtnz]

@@yujiberry8200 riiiiight???#?#?#! TAG ME WAS SUCH A BOOST BUT THEN THEY HAD TO SWITCH TO VEN PARA ISMHAIAISAIA

[@eri6656]

the cleanest sound change had to be infinite’s transition from their pre 2015 work with sweetune to 2015 and beyond with releases like bad

[@suyeesia7770]

Yes

[@frosty-ru6ko]

Seventeen is group that doesn't really have a built-in concept like other groups. Their concept will always depend on their comeback album themes. If seventeen really follows trend then it will be a dark era every comeback like other kpop groups but no seventeen sticks to their kind of musicality. In kpop industry you can't find a song that sounds like seventeen and a choreo that looks like seventeen, that's what you call orginality.

[@yoola5544]

YAS SAY IT LOUDER

[@kaly5678]

The r&b shift in She's The Boss slaps so hard tho...

[@_Eunoia_]

Weeekly's sound change was literally Top 10 Anime Betrays level, I really loved their original sound. Not that their new music isn't good quality, it just...isn't the vibe I stanned them for. They're still hella talented though, I just hope they maybe swing back the other way some day.

[@uza0362]

from seventeen i think that they are good at all genre and concept

[@stephp3455]

My queens Mamamoo slay any genre they sing!!!

[@magnumskpopdungeon]

agreed with weeekly and mamamoo. i am a daileee but i was a HUGE daileee in 2020 and 2021. after the release of venpara im so confused on their future...... i havent dropped them yet but if they continue down this route i probably will. it hurts me to drop them since they are such talented and charming girls and they deserve the support. edit: venpara really would've worked best if they had debuted a subgroup. there are definitely members of weeekly that work with the style of venpara such as monday, soeun, and zoa, and space can definitely work as a dark concept as space is very beautiful but also super dangerous. but it just does not fit weeekly as a whole group.

[@TheMetalPigeon]

Ah, the subgroup idea is definitely the sharpest take on this I've seen --- they should have done that you're right. And Monday, Soeun, and Zoa would've been perfect fits for it. Then they could've easily bounced back to Weeekly proper with a comeback in their classic style. What a bummer. I guess we'll have to see what they do next.

[@user-luciddream]

apinks is my absolute favourite sound change

[@sharktamer]

I think you've hit it on the head when you said mamamoo has become a "woman group". I don't follow mmm enough to recognise it with them, but in general it's so much easier to handle a group transitioning to an actual grown up feel rather than just having them stuck frozen in some kind of teenage rebellion adolescence forever and ever.

[@bluemoonsolstice8007]

I disagree with you on svt tho, I think they’re different from Astro because they’ve almost exclusively stuck to bright, warm, or upbeat title tracks (with the exception of fear). I think that semicolon and henggarae were throwbacks to their earlier work. The thing is they can’t stay that way, sure it can be soemthing they revisit but not their exclusive sound. I have really enjoyed their sound change and new vibe they’ve transitioned to. Svt hasn’t had just one sound change but multiple ones. Early was sweet and bright (mansae pretty u), then it was hype songs (clap and boom boom), then a more electronic sound (thanks, home, and don’t wanna cry) to the more recent blend of synth pop and the concept choices (ready to love, home run, and left and right). I think they’ve made a lot of growth choices and are versatile enough to pull it off and make it their own.

[@mohamadazharsia_carat7214]

Agree with u

[@tan8802]

if ist entertainment start releasing weeekly's school girl concept again i bet we all will happily forget about the ven para phase 😭

[@Alexza525]

I hope they flip flop and have both bc I actually liked Ven Para era better than all of their past combined.

[@koreaboo6749]

Yes! I totally agree with the Mamamoo opinion. They all just give off the energy of grown women. Not that artists like Twice or Red Velvet aren’t mature, but I feel like Mamamoo are the only gg that would look awkward if they tried to put on school girl uniforms.

[@gayperp]

@@supermegafoxyawesomehot2042 Hello fellow MooMoo and Starkid fan!!!

[@fakestrawberryflavor]

Holiday Party is my fav Weeekly song and in my top 25 of all songs ever 😭 but I agree, the change of sound to Ven Para era isn't it.

[@Cupidador]

groups i'd add: 1. clc from devil to hobgoblin 2. loona from hi high to ptt (even though their concept is endless) 3. dreamcatcher after their re-debut from minx

[@keecarat]

Seventeen are not teens anymore, they are now ADULTS so of course their music will also mature. And I think them going back to cutesy and teen crush concept would be impossible because just like what I said, their music also MATURE and GROW with them. Maybe we'll see fresh-teen concept but not the TEEN crush concept. Just try imagining Seventeen right now to do exactly like when they do mansae.. Ps. This is just my opinion as a CARAT :))) just scroll down if you disagree

[@keecarat]

Maybe it's also about everyone's different preferences.. :))

[@svtcarat_may5762]

seventeen's title track might be what you said: but as a carat for 6 years, its worth it for the bsides. The titles are always the weakest songs on the album so i just look forward for their bsdies (like in their comeback on the 27)

[@user-pi9ew6pk1g]

I think as a fan you should have remembered that before Oh My! Seventeen had Thanks (EDM), Clap, DWC (EDM), and BB so it's not fair to say that they have always had a fresh sound since their debut because that's a lie (even their bsides have never been all fresh songs, maybe only director's cut at that point). Seventeen has never shied away from trying different sounds, they know they are known for "fresh" songs but that has never stopped them from trying completely different things. After listening to some parts of your opinion, I think I had a pretty similar experience throughout DWC era to Thanks era. I am a huge fresh teen lover so listening to them putting out some EDM songs was so awful to me, I was like "Just go back to fresh songs". I was so focused on not liking the genre of the title track that I only paid little attention to the other songs. But that was not something on the group, that was something on me alone. I recently thought about myself at that time and I laughed so hard, I was so young but my feelings were hurt by the change they were making (I do not think your experience is the same, just similar) I don't want to make a long comment, So I will keep it short. I think that maybe you should try to take a break from the group. (Do not think of the songs as "seventeen songs" just ask yourself if you like a song for the song itself, that was what worked for me. I thought "It´s clap a perfect uplifting song"? Yes, "¿does it sound like the Seventeen I know?" No, at that time they had never had something like that but that was a new Seventeen.)

[@backtobasics137]

I really love Seventeen change, honestly Seventeen can do no wrong in my eyes lol.

[@o_o1241]

Weeekly’s concept change was just very offensive to me physically and spiritually

[@xotoq9999]

for Weeekly i think they are doing fine with their teenagers concept, Ven Para is kinda good song(if they do it on their 4/5 years as an idol)...so maybe they change their concept too fast

[@baby.blue_b]

The Weeekly change honestly kinda made me sad..I really love their bright concepts :(

[@toyosibee.mp3]

weeekly's concept change literally put me off so bad and they were my ult 4th gen group...................................................i blame the play m/creker merger

[@sophie_futo]

I got into Seventeen because of Ready to Love and Rock with You, they’re men now and it fits them so well!

[@juncupid03]

I think one of my favorite concept change in kpop was sf9's because I love seeing their mature side and they embody that concept perfecly !! One of my least favorite one is n.flying's change because now they mostly release ballads, but I loved their quirky songs (hot potato, the real...) ;(

[@hercrabbiness]

Agreed on SF9. The first half of their career was kind of a mishmash of styles, but that all changed with Now or Never when they switched to a mature and classy-sexy vibe. They own that style perfectly!

[@avril_moomoo760]

MAMAMOO is soon going to be 8 year group and seeing them grow just brings me joy, hopefully their company promotes them better for their next cb. 🫶

[@himawari4483]

i had to disagree with the seventeen one. sorry. some carat expecting there's going to be no sounds change at all when seventeen actually 7 year group. it tends to happen. especially when they heavily involved in producing. they grow up. they want to try something new. maybe it's not your cup of tea and that's okay. but hating it just because it doesn't sound the same like before, that's not okay.

[@hyemudoesntlikemintchoco2569]

the weeekly concept change isn't really that bad after all but TOO EARLY like imagine releasing those three trilogy albums with tag me, zig zag and after school in it then just jumping into a dark concept 2 years after debut

[@loveofchiaki]

but let's be realistic, cant be having a group sticking to the same/similar concept their whole career. they need to explore new trends and concepts. if you dont chase after the trend while maintaining your own unique identity and colors, people will just gonna get bored of you eventually. SVT has been doing a good job on this, all their songs have SVT unique identity no matter the concept. and their albums always filled with a variety of concepts and genres.

[@superbluerock8327]

I’m all for trying new styles. A group sticking to one concept is not what the original kpop was all about. Kpop was about trying new things and creating new things. Such as choreography, concepts, outfits, hair, makeup etc. I miss the old kpop back when everything was all about freedom of performance. Art. Acting. Now y’all judge a group for doing different concepts.

[@akpopfan7302]

I think the Boyz japanese tracks are really really nice. The jpn albums are literally their best if we see the bsides

[@tanvisharma1129]

my favorite change has to be TWICE, the transition has been so smooth and no track or album has has shown drop in quality including Japanese releases