Plarium Actually Managed To Surprise Me With This One - Hydra Update Reaction

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[@klz7618]

Gigs reaction to this update clearly shows how much invested he has been in the Hydra xD...

[@Slugworth88]

I love you Jgigs Nohomo, lol but damn talk about our of touch. ;) jokes.... but Yanika wixwell is no walk in the park stratagy, finally max chests withing reach, sroneskin and protection accessories gone, I guess it was good whilst it lasted. I do agree with you're sentiment though but the higher damage teams are so beyoung the ," cheese strats" it's just punishing to those who like you get slaughtered by the hydra already... Ohhh nooo lol

[@BambusFourleaf]

The fact that he doesn’t know what taunt is, explains why it’s not a problem for him. How could you have problems with any subject, if you don’t understand it in its entirety? I don’t blame him either, a lot of players are ‘out-of-touch’ with hydra in general.

[@Avrorabg]

@@BambusFourleaf well you should blame him. because he is content creator on youtube for rsl. when u make content you should know your what you are commenting about. its the same as a person who never got drive licences but went with a car and crash with it killing other ppl. so you should have blame him because he is just talking billshiet. his content is bullshiet for the past year anyway so nothing new there. just react videos or react of the react of the react of another cc youtuber video. i used to like him and subbed to him but i unsubed and stop watching him cause in my eyes he became another plarium unpaid journalist. 304. i dont blame ppl who talk about hydra update and taunt nerf there and never heard about taunt buff. because they are players but this guy here jshitsgigs he pretends to be cc tuber on rsl he shold know it.

[@mohdfazril5824]

@@Avrorabg if you stop watching him then why are you here lmao

[@grimlochvolek666]

Bc he wanted to know what this dipshit had to say​@@mohdfazril5824

[@drewprew]

taunt is a cool mechanic we duped you into caring about but now that we’ve made money off it we’re nerfing it. These nerfs to shields and taunt basically cut off every accessible high dmg + high difficulty f2p friendly team at the knees.

[@alicelaybourne1620]

Yep. Emic and Wixwell and Packmaster. all potentially free (I got them free) forget them.

[@Marixa1979]

They just removed the easy win buttons.

[@nicknauj124]

Only for low spenders. Easy win button still exists for Whales. 🐳

[@Marixa1979]

@@nicknauj124 Well yeah, for that amount of money spent, you should have it ezier than the poors.

[@captainhindsight4206]

well no one said to spend at all. that's a you problem if you spent hundreds or thousands on a free game. also it doesn't kill the yannica shield hits its still gunna be 300,000 on every head per max shield growth. its called invest in actual damage dealers not cheese.

[@Master_Twango]

I'm not fundamentally opposed to any of these changes (and I currently run a Trunda team) but I feel bad for the people who were using taunt teams that were literally endorsed by Plarium when the strat was discovered. Also, this doesn't effect me but they're making hydra harder in like 4 different ways without decreasing any of the point requirements. Early-mid game account *will* suffer from these hydra buffs / champ nerfs... This is probably the first time a change by Plarium has made me sad instead of angry.

[@eliargumedo4728]

Im pretty early game, and these changes really don't affect me. Ive seen taunt used and that shit is crazy powerful. Digestion is a fundamental aspect of hydra. Taunt basically spit in hydras face. However, the one thing I am pretty annoyed about is they didnt increase the rewards after buffing serpents will. That's the only change that actually affected me, but it isn't very drastic as long as I'm still able to debuff a newly formed head.

[@nicknauj124]

@@eliargumedo4728lol, we’ll see.

[@jackob3793]

Plarium basically made Hydra harder for the normal players that were already struggling. The whales still gonna hit bilions of damage but someone who is not going to spend atrocious amount of money is gong to have a harder time than usual. Plarium hid it well but basically under the "We are making hydra more balanced and reasonable" slogan they just made it harder for ftp and low spenders.

[@Master_Twango]

If they would have made changes to balance out the hydra buffs / champ nerfs, it would be fine... all they did was make hydra harder for everyone.

[@Marixa1979]

I'm not sure that any of the changes do affect any of the lower end players other than they don't get the easy win strats.

[@Master_Twango]

@@Marixa1979 yeah we're not sure of anything yet, but it will be harder for everyone, even if that just means improving at a much slower rate.

[@grimlochvolek666]

For me even on my primary account Hydra is just a struggle and a stressful pain in my ass

[@Marixa1979]

@@grimlochvolek666 I think that's the intention, that the boss is difficult and you earn the rewards.

[@JamesSmith-cf3md]

My personal view on all this is: 1) Removing cheese teams is good for the game, it was clear it was never intended. 2) Removing taunt's ability to do keep the hydra from digesting seems like it wasn't intended, but it was actually a good reason to have the taunt buff 3) Making hydra harder isn't a great change, I'm personally of the view that the idea of the game is to progress through what was once a challenge and felt almost impossible, to being doable, to being farmable. That progress is what is addicting about the game for me, that you can always get yourself into a position where you no longer struggle but infact absolutely decimiate the bosses. 4) They better make the rewards lower points to get, it'd be rediculous to lose rewards based on this change.

[@lucasmonk4258]

EDIT: Don't take this as me yelling at you, please. I'm glad you reviewed the video. And I agree that the fact they made changes and what the changes are are essentially good. My immediate thoughts though are... Let me say this very clearly. NUKING A NEWLY-RESPAWNED HEAD IS NOT AN OPTION FOR MOST PLAYERS, WE NEED THAT DAMAGE ON THE NEW HEAD TO MAKE OUR POINTS. A similar issue applies to the digestion problem. These are all issues for players already doing WAY more damage than is necessary, not for those who don't have the time to put into this silly game mode.

[@Marixa1979]

You're worried about losing those 6-12k hits on the head that just respawned?

[@owenbass1178]

It went from 75% reduction to 100%. You were not getting your damage from newly respawned heads.

[@Marixa1979]

@@owenbass1178 Yeah, you're losing tens of thousands of damage, that is nothing. If 2 or more heads regrow at the same time, you actually get more damage as only one of them has the damage decrease on them, the others take full damage.

[@sephiron688]

They've made hydra harder for people who already had it hard. The people who were abusing the mechanics will still have the highest points regardless. After 5 years it's about time to call it quits on my not ftp account.

[@retroinstitute4850]

My biggest complaint is with making it “harder” (which it won’t be for whales) unless they significantly reduce what is needed for the chest, it’s that much harder to hit those numbers for ftp/low spenders so wow what a great update whales to 700million dmg instead of billions they are facing each other anyway in clash now we can potentially win clash at lower levels but not get rewards for it

[@atlanteean]

Watch Saph's video, you will see they havent fixed the problem

[@vellathor6746]

if you're not doing endgame hydra you don't get how bad these changes are

[@MugRuith]

I'm not doing endgame Hydra and all of these changes make it worse for me.

[@michadraogo7399]

And how bad are these changes actually ? Cause if you are not doing endgame hydra (nor "cheese" strat) these changes have ALMOST no impact

[@MrChelo1998]

The nerf for Trunda teams was needed, but all the other players got smashed from the other changes. Shield cap is ok, Yannica teams were unbalanced too, but the decapitation, digestion and taunt changes are too much for those who barely got to Brutal difficulty. Last week was the first time i could do top chest Nightmare, i don't think i can do Brutal now. Also, never use Taunt despite having Emic, but with this change it's just a useless buff. Maaaaaaybe on Phantom Shogun but that's it

[@Marixa1979]

If you aren't going deep into each difficulty, the digestion damage increase isn't going to affect you at all, and the decapitation cap perse isn't going to impact you either.

[@MrChelo1998]

@@Marixa1979 i agree that won't affect much in reaching top chest, but mainly in scoring for hydra clash. The gap between end and high-end players will increase substantially

[@micahtaylor1397]

Let's keep in mind something though ...if you've played for years it was HARD to get Trunda and many of us who got her shouldn't be punished. Plarium can't live with letting us have what we got. If they are going to need her or others, we need some shards deposited for all we did to get here. They just love to take from players. Pve shouldn't have nerfs!!!!

[@Marixa1979]

@@micahtaylor1397 It's not just PVE when there's the clash component of it that is PVP. You didn't originally get Trunda for hydra, you got her because she was OP in arena. We've gotten our money's worth from Trunda.

[@micahtaylor1397]

Nahhhh.....with Plarium and their greed model you never get your money's worth. They water down value they dont WANT to exist. Taras and Marischka shouldn't exist but it was big pay day so people can lock others out of arena with them. I'm not just hating on Plarium, I'm telling the truth. The game is like smoking cigs, you play until you just quit. They have mismanaged it from early on, it goes back to losing monthly sacred and 5 star chicken. They are a terrible company. They use pve and clashes now to make people think they are winning. CVC is a joke, pay to win very little and you have to go hard every time. Please don't defend them. They done care about anything but dollars.

[@James-cg7zp]

I guess they named him "Vault Keeper" Wixwell for a reason.

[@hasancakir19961996]

i hope it wont change cb team but yhea if it does he s gonna take his retirement with yannica on a tropical island

[@Marixa1979]

@@hasancakir19961996 No, he'll still be plenty viable, just not the easy win.

[@H31N_13]

Lol, was waiting for the just kidding what were they thinking?! My issue is that basically Trunda and Wixwell cheeses were the only real problems in this game mode. I've spend months building and grinding for gear to be able to do nightmare hydra. Can do about a 100 million max on certain rotations and now most of that damage is probably gone. If a 7 billion team only does 250 million now, you do the math. They've made every composition worse and with the taunt change basically nerfed all the accessible champs - previous fusions and Yanika from the shop. Trunda at least got a buff to try and make her useful in other areas. Also hydra got harder but rewards and chests remains the same. I guess in short if I haven't invested as much just for the goal posts to be moved I might have been as nonchalant as you are.

[@mariusantanavicius]

.i.. jigs.... this hydra buff is bull shit

[@yaketythack]

Thor is where you will noticed the new Decapitated Head mechanic. Thor a3 smacks for 300k lets say on the DECAP head THEN applies a DEC SPD. This would usually allow your Thor to hit that same head with at least one more a3 after cycling through an a2 and a1. Meaning you will now lose a passive proc on a decapitated head. So, if you have a Normal key Thor the x2 HP on a DECAP head gives them no more then 800k total HP. It's a huge loss once you fully boked Thor.

[@eliargumedo4728]

My thor ain't fast enough to lap a hydra head 3x. That's some really crazy speed you need even with a decrease speed.

[@yaketythack]

@@eliargumedo4728 its a 2 turn decapitation currently. 195 SPD Thor with my Shammrock/Elva INC SPD buffs allows this. My Mordecai also casts his a2 to grant a bit of turn meter boost. I may have misworded this though. If your a3 bursts the head, then you proc the passive is what I meant. MY Thor is in 6pc slayer and hits decapitated heads for 600k depending on affinity on the weakest head. So, my Thor will essentially REVIVE a head after his passive procs. On Normal difficulty. Have a safe and happy week eliargumedo4728.

[@M.to.the.L]

@@yaketythack Promote that hitter to a higher tier. On nightmare, suffering has 5 million HP. You'll have 10 million HP to hit. As always, fit your roster to the content.

[@yaketythack]

@@M.to.the.L Just unlocked Brutal last week in our clan. mostly Force affinity head this week. You have a great week regardless M.to.the.L !

[@M.to.the.L]

@@yaketythack Yeah, new rotation can be tough for some teams. You have a great week too.

[@sturm375]

My problem with the hydra adjustments are that they "seem" to indicate that champs like Trunda, Toshiro, Thor, and other champs that do really good damage but are not MaxHP damage hitters are badly hurt. It increases the value of champs like Acrizia, Graazur, and Wallmaster who do MaxHP damage. So they aren't really making Hydra more accessable, actually the opposite, making those very hard to get champs much more valuable. Those like myself that from week to week depending on the Hydra rotation barely make a 1-key, this adjustment will mean that I will not be able to spread out my keys on 3 different difficulties, and dramatically reduce Hydra clash points so I can get personal chests. Once again, keeping low-spend away from the highly sought after PVP awards (Protection and Stoneskin Accy).

[@michadraogo7399]

Agreed on the dramatic reduction of damage/points for EVERYBODY ! That's the goal. Not so sure about the MaxHP dmg dealers though. You'll still want to hit decapitated heads for millions with strong nukers (to simply socre more points vs Max HP nukers ) !

[@sturm375]

@@michadraogo7399 The MaxHP thing is something I got from Nubs video on it, and it is an assumption. Saph form HH Gaming did some really good Quantitative analysis on it, does not look good for the average player.

[@arleysimpson3678]

They didn't solve the problem. They pushed it down the line. Rework Hydra to address current abusive meta > release more OP Hydra Champs > create a new abusive meta > rework Hydra to address that new meta > rinse and repeat.

[@Gorgruth]

Well for the part that interests you, clan boss, you ll not manage to reach turn limit since the shields ll be considerably smaller, probably it ll be enough to 1 key though unless you have very low dmg and need the full turns.

[@ItsDaveMan795]

My problem with any of this is that they did nothing to expand the usual teams close to the meta. It shifted the meta from trunda to mythicals and teox. As to their explanation they havent tested this out as they claim. They are saying that teams will still do similar damage out side of top end teams and thats not the case virtually every team will lose at least 50%, and if you cant do damage fast enough you will lose even more damage. The reason slower damage teams will lose more is that devour gets so agrressively difficult so fast that they cannot break champions out fast enough to keep going.

[@Master_Twango]

Now you are punished for having a slow team... and also punished for having a fast team >.>

[@Marixa1979]

They're fine with all teams doing less damage overall, but it brings the uber big hitters back down to earth a bunch and makes other strats viable now. No easy win buttons. You'll need to put in effort and have a good stable of champs to use.

[@Master_Twango]

@@Marixa1979 calling Trunda an "easy win button" just tells me you've never tried to build a trunda team. My trunda team earns less points than my NM team.

[@ItsDaveMan795]

@@Marixa1979 The uber big hitters are still gonna absolutely blow away everyone else same as before. And by billions still maybe not by 100 billion but the uber hitters are in no danger and still an easy win for them. Teox toshiro little support and your in the top thats all there is to it. The thought process that it brings any parity to the game to nerf trunda is the myth that everyone tried to tell themselves. Factually nerfing trunda who was easy to get by comparison to teox a faction champ and toshiro a mythical just pushed everyone else that much further away from them.

[@Bigredguy17]

Hi j gigs, thanks for your review of the changes but respectfully i dont think you get why many people are upset. The problem as i see it is palarium is upset that some whales , cc's and vetran players where able to use old and regularly accesible champs to blow up the hydra. Though these teams require specific champs and good rng to get billions of damage, once you have them there is nolonger any incentive to spend more resources to improve the team. This reduction in revenue is not what palarium wants. Thus these changes directly nerf two of the most popular teams wikwell yanica teams( that needed taunt to work) will only do millions of damage no longer billions. Trunda teams will also be similarly handicapped. This will make it harder for everyone to get thier chests not to mention hydra clash will become even more unbalanced. I can see a new meta imerging useing op mythicals or new void champs to replace trunda as the new kings and queens of hydra....and how do we get those buy either spending money or playing another 5 years of wait shadow legends and hoping to get lucky. This is not new its same old palarium doing palarium stuff.😂

[@brananananandon]

10:30 "I'm pretty mid" - JGigs, 2024

[@swedishtime6910]

I KNEW IT!!! JGIGS IS SOLD OUT TO PLARIUM!!! HOW DARE U TO BE POSITIVE AND REASONABLE WHEN PEOPLE IS PISSED ON THE WORST UPDATE EVER?!?!?! Love u ❤

[@grimlochvolek666]

J giggs your shill buddy😮

[@Reajjy]

Looks like they didn't actually fix Trunda she still gets damage bonuses on her 2nd hit with a2 , won't get the crit damage bonus but will get all the other bonuses. Also it was only buffs to hydra and no changes to points needed for chests so how exactly is that ensuring we will still get the chests?

[@KevinKottom]

HE SAID YOU WILL STILL GET YOUR REWARDS, MOVING ON! WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND........

[@MunkiBoi-k9u]

I can't wait until something they think they nerfed down gives way to a better exploit when someone figures it out...

[@wheresthepudding946]

plarium ? more like not-fairium

[@Marixa1979]

Oh man, if you think anything in life is fair, you're in for a rude awakening.

[@cacophonic7]

It sounds like they nerfed the Trunda and Wixwell teams for Hydra, but then the other changes feel like several steps too far. I would say that Plarium probably extensively tested these changes so that all us "normal" players wont suddenly get screwed out of being able to get the top chests we have grown used to, but then again name a SINGLE time Plarium has released content that was well tested... I guess we will see how our teams fare. My prediction is that we are all going to have to rebuild and re-gear our teams, and that we are going to have to rely on the new champs they will be selling us to conquer the "new" Hydra.

[@M.to.the.L]

Good and measured take. I agree with you. Turn count reduction is so needed. As you said, it might be harder to reach the same personal damage rewards for each hydra clash, but you can work up to that - just like every other part of the content.

[@RandomNY1234]

Part of the problem is they pushed the Taunt buff as a reason to go for one of the fusions.

[@Marixa1979]

Not for hydra.

[@ianwooldridge7561]

@@Marixa1979 100% for Hydra, they were even asked aout it and confirmed it was working as intended!

[@Marixa1979]

@@ianwooldridge7561 You're saying that before the fusion, Plarium said that the taunt buff was applicable and viable for Hydra?

[@janitor8884]

This has to be one of the best updates imo. Im glad they are actually nerfing and buffing things. Getting rid of op cheese and making hydra a little harder are good things. Hydra is supposed to be the toughest content in the game

[@beowulf1563]

If you say so ...

[@Immortal_Nine]

JGigs, let me first say I appreciate your honest straight up take on Raid. In regard to the update, the first time I watched the video I was pissed they made Taunt useless in Hydra. The other mechanics, I can understand. They needed to do something. Taunt for the average player allowed them to at least prolong the battle, at least I did, to get the top chest in normal or hard, maybe brutal. I think I was averaging 30 million give or take 10. Nothing crazy. It allowed me to run average geared champs or champs that I didn’t have to regear. I see up the update and just think about all the time I will need to invest to make viable Hydra teams mainly to help out the clan. It’s just so time consuming. I just built a Wix/Yan team 2 weeks ago. Finally was able to book, gem masteries, gear, and get everyone up to speed. I really felt I could control my clan going from doing very little in Hydra Clash to being a major contributor. I was getting excited to build other teams 1 with pack master and then a final straight up damage team. I just look at what’s in store after the update … I guess like anything else we’ll get used to the changes and adapt.

[@TheMissingPluto]

The problem is plarium allowed people to invest time, real money, in game money, and resources to build up these champs (wixwell and trunda) and after people spent all of that then they walk it back. Then reset people's books, masteries, etc I know it doesn't affect you so you don't care, but it affects a lot of people early/midgame and especially f2p. And it doesn't fix balance issues when yumeko and taras exist as they do

[@Dante-de6qf]

Personally I think Hydra needed changes. But the digestion change won’t affect cheese teams the most, it will affect the mid to low accounts. My 6 starGharol and Tostito won’t have a problem freeing my champs, this will affect only people who already struggle…. And as a general idea, they just take without giving anything easing the pain….like we make it harder, get some better rewards…. And lastly, if Saph is correct, cheese Trunda teams won’t go away… so that will piss people off even more….

[@michadraogo7399]

If "people already struggle" I doubt they even get to the 2 turn digestion limit 😅 Trunda is definitely not going away but the cheese teams are ! Reseting cooldowns to pop heads isn't a thing anymore (due to the Serpent Will changes)

[@Dante-de6qf]

@@michadraogo7399 they will find a way I'm sure ... If more than one head spawns, only one has the serpent will, so the others will drop.... They will fix the timings... We'll see in a week I guess. About the digestion, I got it wrong. I thought it would increase the damage needed each time. Not just after it reaches 2 turns.

[@RazordanceRaid]

Really hoping HH and Fateless are taking notes on how NOT to treat their players. Plarium have been putting Trunda and Wixwell in half of prism pools and boosted summoning events for months now. They have been selling the heck out of those champs in advance of this huge nerf. Knowing full well that these champs would become less desirable….. shame on them for this. This is going to hurt every team and every clan not just the ones that use Wixwell and Trunda or Yannica etc.

[@mherrick5891]

This update is well thought out and addresses several key issues. Well explained and we’ll see how it works. The taunt change kinda sucks, what else is taunt for?

[@michadraogo7399]

Taunt redirects the Mark of the Hydra : could have some use case ! Otherwise it's still a go to for Phantom Shogun.

[@jamesfoxx8302]

I have zero cheese teams. Our clans never gotten more than like 5 billion, I just started doing 650 million with my 3 keys and now that’s all over. I think JGIGS, when he’s able to stop and think about it, will see that a shit ton of clans are about to get a lot less chest rewards and not able to get double rewards from the difficulties. This of course just hurts the low and no spend accounts. Such a bit bummer

[@KevinKottom]

Ill come back later when the real affect of these hydra buffs sinks in, and you release the flame video later....

[@denny1122000]

The fact you don't know the mechanics of the teams and builds and even the debuffs tells me you shouldn't have made a vid about it. All your gonna do is piss people off and get negative comments about something your not even invested in. This "video" pretty much sum it up to ALL the players who invested time and money into those comps as a big "FU" to their valuable efforts. If your not that informed on the subject, don't do a vid about it. I'm not bashing you just stating facts.

[@JGigs]

this "comment" is stupid

[@denny1122000]

@JGigs lol, so was your vid.

[@amlord3826]

😂 Blink twice of you're being held hostage JGigs

[@SVU1989]

Those taunt loops were really the answer to digestion. It could prevent the digestion completly. Wixwell teams are so dead btw.

[@busterbrown4252]

Anyone who thinks you are always negative towards raid/plarium or tell you to just stop playing raid should watch this video. Always thought you were pretty fair in your opinions just to be fair plarium has a lot of negatives.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

So, here’s the thing they actually haven’t fixed trunda not really. She’s still going to have lots of damage if they make it a splash damage mechanic. Making it normal is still going to have damage multipliers, and they’ve added an escalation factor on top of hp burn to her. That is only going to cut the damage by about half, that’s still going to be nuts in many cases

[@cacophonic7]

Plarium has been slowly testing this new feature out for a while, but in the new update, if your clan places last in Hydra clash, then all your red dots become permanent until you can win Hydra Clash again, you losers. 😅

[@Not_Seth_Rogen]

So that 1k brutal that I only just now got to do after playing this game for so long is out the window.

[@mrblack90210]

i agree. Good updates to Hydra. It will be interesting to see what the new meta will be to get billions of damage. Which means another change in 3 years time.

[@markbruyneel8527]

Hydra is late game content. Te people most pissed off by the changes are probably those that were lucky enough (or wealthy enough) to be able to invest in cheese type compositions. I have no problem with most changes.

[@KevinKottom]

How am I going to get the same score for rewards, when there is less rounds to do it, and the heads are harder to kill? HE SAID MOVING ON!

[@darkbeach72]

The whole point of this update was to break end game Clan Boss farm teams so that players will have less of what they need to complete fusions for free.

[@eliargumedo4728]

I thInk hydra has been powercrept by multiple thiings in the game such as taunt, trunda team, and wixwell. It's not as fearsome as it used to be, and so in my opinion, I think it was a decent change. However if hydra is gonna get harder, rewards need to get better. I dont have a taunt champion, wixwell or any trunda team champions, and so this update doesn't really affect me. However one thing I want to know is if Serpents Will also immune to any debuffs. I hope not

[@michadraogo7399]

Respawned heads (Serpent Will) are NOT immune to debuffs ! They've already commented on this one

[@MalRabbit]

Most of these changes are fine but they didn't go far enough. The double Yumeko Trunda teams will still be the top team by a mile. They are hobbling the average player with these changes and only minimally effecting the top teams. This effectively kills the wixwell/yannica team which was the more free to play way to combat the Trunda teams but doesn't go far enough to address the "Trunda problem" which is that her second hit re-multiplies all the bonus damage to make the second hit larger than the first. This change removes one multiplier (crit damage) but doesn't touch the others (books, gurptuk bonus, firrol bonus, protection set, weaken, decapitation bonus, or mastry bonuses) and in addition adds defense ignore. She will still be the same powerhouse she is now except now the average player will be worse off to combat it without taunt or wixwell and such. They just took stuff away without adding anything and the team they took the least away from is the team that is the biggest issue. And the video is so good and reasonable that when it doesn't work they have plausible deniability that this was the goal all along.

[@alicelaybourne1620]

I suppose I have two problems. 1) They made sooooo many fusions obsolete or severely weakened (Emic, Packmaster (taunt), Wixwell, Thor) in Hydra and 2) They used Awakenings and Mythicals as the reason they needed to make it so much harder. As a low spend/FTP player, I don't have mythicals and only a handful of decent blessings. And now how does my "non-cheese" team do against this buffed Hydra?

[@enumclaw79]

I think it's a net positive for the game. It'll be harder for everyone, that'll be sure, but it all needed doing for the health hydra clash

[@christopherhill6140]

My issue with these changes is that they have left the personal reward requirements where they were, but given us 33% fewer turns to do it in and buffed Hydra to make it much harder for non-cheat teams to reach those damage goals. This is a tax on everyone just to punish the 5% that were "abusing" the system. I would have been okay with this if they had reduced the damage requirements by the same amount they took away from conventional Hydra teams.

[@stephen3079]

Nah I’m with you Gigs, they actually did this one pretty well overall. If anything, the fault was letting it go on unbalanced for so long. The question is will they actually continue to monitor Hydra and try to keep things balanced or will they just let new OP teams run amok for another few years.

[@MajieB]

You know where all these changes outside the nerfs would be great UNM Hydra.

[@rickwild]

I can predict exactly what will happen? Hydra will be overtuned like it used to be. They'll leave it like that for months, until players start leaving.

[@thoughtlesskills]

looks like its gonna maybe halve my cb teams. So prolly still a 1 key for me but can't help my clan kill the boss nearly as well.

[@thoughtlesskills]

I also saw some dialog from plarium(supposedly) saying they would be open to increasing the shield cap a 'little' So yeah this could have been a lot worse.

[@aBadWizard]

R.N. Archer owners in shambles for sure

[@hasancakir19961996]

yep i'am crying rn its fun to pay to get something that gets nerfed to the ground when shit devs can't manage theire content to be balanced they for sure wont get my money from now on

[@aaronschmitt3159]

I am not mad at the nerfs to the champs except the Taunt. They came out and said Taunt was working correctly!!!! So I used that information and created 2 Taunt teams for hydra including souls, books, masteries and all. This was basically me throwing away a year of Iron Twins runs. Had they led people to believe that aunt was being changed I absolutely wouldn't have invested so much in the Taunt mechanic. Those resources are absolutely wasted. What really pisses me off about the nerfs is that they did nothing to Yumeko as somewhat of an olive branch to the spenders. She will continue to dominate Hydra teams and scores. But whales dropped big money on her so they are not touching her. As far as the Hydra Buffs they needed to reassess their personal chests scores. The biggest issue will be a domino effect of the hp level on decap heads. This will cause them to spawn faster and receive no damage unless two just happen to pop together. This means that the buffs like poison cloud or life barrier will really hurt players when champs are eaten. Also the respawn rate will be faster so skills will not be ready as soon. It's going to be very difficult to deal with if you do any real damage. Not a fan of the buffs.

[@dprahn02]

You briefly mentioned the part that really I think is the problem. They left it too long without saying a warning like they have in the past that it isn't working as intended. I think there was even an interview (Ash and Cirilla maybe) where she said don't worry we're not going after trunda. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I let it go months before saying okay yeah I guess it's staying and sunk resources into it.. I'm on the fence about the update right now being a mid damage dealer.. usually 2-3B per week. Let's see how bad it is.

[@0rthogonal]

Jgigs is a F2P series so it’s understandable why he doesn’t fully get the impact of these changes.

[@MrManagemiracles]

Taunt nerf is the thing that bothers me most, also there wasn't a need to make hydra more tougher than it was, they could have just done the shield and trunda changes and it would have solved majority of the concerns. They could then make changes if there were still problems, no idea why they want to make so many changes all at once

[@MckaiserDragon]

i think they should have made taunt have a 50% chance to work in hydra instead of nerfing it to just not work. i only made it to turn limit in normal. it took over an hr for the run to finish.

[@pez6905]

great changes, i might actually try and improve my hydra scores now

[@darkbeach72]

Hi Plarium dev. 👋

[@larrygaynor5664]

I feel exactly the same way, dude. Im sick to death of putting in honest numbers in Hydra and losing Clash every week due to last-minute trunda teams. Is it going to be harder, yes! But it's also shorter. So I say, bring it on! 💪🏻

[@brad201291]

Im just glad I got the hydra badge last week . Highley doubt ill get the dmg this time . The problem i have with this update and yes i have a fully awakened Trunda . The Trunda nerf killed her but i suspected they would . So im fine with it . I do have a problem with indirectly nerfing 3 recent fusions, and taunt was made for hydra and bow they do this . Also 100% dmg reduction is just bad. But i do thank them now i no longer need a champ with aoe dec speed .

[@taemeister9302]

Kissing Plarium's a$$ isn't going ro score you a bonus mythical champ 😂

[@Wolcik3000]

you skipped the Tundra part... I understand you would need to compare live as you don't have in your head what she does I don't have Tundra, but I wonder if my Oboro will be able to get max turn still or will the team be eaten always

[@TheDarkVyers]

Plarium is just braindead. They make Hydra harder for 99% of players to slow down the 1% without even improving the rewards or stopping the real problem (Yumeko teams). The problem is the sped up digestion combined with the instant respawning heads (if you deal enough damage) and 100% damage reduction on growth. You wont have enough time to cycle trough your cooldowns or save the eaten champion. The reduced turn limit also nerfs those survival teams that deal good damage over time (my personal choice of team). All this and no reward increase/balance. It will be much harder to get that 650 million chest or 1.2 billion personal chest. What makes things worse is that those trunda Yumeko teams will still dominate. Instead of 100 billion, it will be reduced to 5-10 billion while every other really good team will probably be in the couple hundred million range. (The 600 million damage example they showed was only 13min and probably on full auto so not realistic of what's really possible). It's literally the same problem but scaled down, if anything I personally think it's worse because now the only option for big damage is trunda (or taras)/yumeko teams. I won't be surprised if many players stop doing Hydra, and we backtrack back to the first year where almost no one was doing Hydra.

[@gpvh4426]

The problem I have with the changes are that we will all have to waste more time and resources building new teams to counter the new mechanics. They just burned 1 of the two places you could have used Taunt, and as usual with nerfs, they aren't refunding you the resources you spent booking or empowering or ascending or blessing. Every game I've ever played will at least do that. These guys do a 15x on the affected champs a week or two before announcing a nerf! Imagine getting one then and blowing a load of resources just in time to find out they're nerfing the champ!

[@uchihaclan77]

In simple terms, Instead of nerfing what the community has been asking for for months (Trunda) they buffed Hydra as a whole. This is where majority of the outrage comes from.

[@Maldrewnado]

I use all 3 of my keys every week, and I have absolutely no problem with problem with these nerfs/buffs. It's going to affect everyone, and I will have to rework one of my teams that uses emic, which actually really sucks, but if they nerfed trunda, I don't mind having emic screwed over. I hate taking 2-3 hours every week to manual play all 3 of my keys, only for my team to get destroyed by teams with 1-2 trunda teams.

[@stephenbonaduce7852]

I don't have any of the affected Champs, nor have I ever played Hydra--and I doubt I ever will--so I don't have a horse in this race. But like Hans Gruber in "Die Hard," after murdering Ellis, yelling to John McClane, "Shall I shoot another one? Sooner or later, I might get to someone you *do* care about!" Plarium may eventually get around to nerfing one of MY Champions, too. So I do care about the WAY they do things, not just WHAT they do. My understanding is that they have destroyed Wixwell for Hydra. Obviously, we'll have to wait and see to confirm that--but I have the feeling that was their intent, so probably the claim is true. *Maybe* he still works for Clan Boss and in other areas of the game; I would not take Plarium's word for that, so I'll believe it only when I hear about it from players. The change they made to Trunda's kit accomplishes what they set out to do: eliminate single teams that could outscore entire clans. They SAY that people will still be able to achieve sufficient scores to get their prize chests, but they made the Hydra both shorter (by reducing the turn count) and a lot harder with the changes to the mechanics. What they didn't do is boost the contents of the chests, or make better chests available in lower tiers--which is a problem because people are likely going to have to drop down in difficulty as they scramble to assemble all-new teams. The problem I have with them nerfing Champions due to one particular mode in their sprawling game is that it's a lazy approach. They didn't have to change Wixwell or Trunda; they only had to change Hydra. But they said why they really did it in the beginning of their video: they want to force people to pour more resources into experimenting with and developing new teams and new Champs. Understandable, but let me ask you this: if players discover new ways to "exploit" the revised Hydra, can they expect those Champions to ALSO be on the receiving end of the nerf hammer? And what about the people who pursued Wixwell specifically because the would be so helpful in Hydra? If they now feel scammed, is Plarium goign to refund them their resources? I think not! In other words, if Plarium destroys Champions every time players discover the best way to use them in various game modes, what is the point of playing this game?

[@solidshake12]

They haven't fixed the problem, they've just made it harder for most people to do Hydra. The same small group of whales and krakens will still double Yumeko their way to 1st place wins.

[@jasonsaulters6027]

I just started 1 keying nm by the skin of my teeth. I have put a lot of time into my teams and yes I have trunda and yumeko but without the crazy gear and blessings I'm doing good damage to get the newly introduced milestone rewards. Falmond smacked a dead head for 2 million last night and you're telling me the head will now just respawn while I don't refresh my cooldowns and lose out on more damage when it comes right back and throws up a cleanse?

[@xRebel151x]

I’m very pleased with this update as an endgame player.

[@Wolcik3000]

funny how they lied that they are not doing anything to WixWell, but the shield cap really does nerf that whole team - so regardless of why - they have lied

[@madman4649]

Let my simplify, Imagine top players are a 10 story building, end game mid players are 4 story building and most players have a foundation. Plariums Nerf's are like pushing these buildings into the ground. Top players now have 4 story building, end game mid players are back to a foundation and most player are 6 stories under. Trunda teams will still rule, they just won't put up outrageous scores. All the other big or cheese comps are dead. Wixwell/Yannica comp could do 1.2Billion or more on NM, 4 heads taking max 300mil each. Now with 2mil shield that 300k per head giving you 1.2 mil damage for 1/2 hour or more. 1.67mil is the minimum needed for the worst chest on Normal, that's not a Nerf that's death. Which doesn't matter any cause without taunt you are never gonna grow those shields to even 2mil. If you barely got to top chest on any level well kiss that goodbye and start over (good bye resources you used and resources your gonna use).

[@staticecho9251]

All these changes accomplish is making it far more difficult for normal/casual players,players who don't have those insane champs and gear to do damage. With the new implementations focussed around pumping high damage faster it will hurt majority of the player base. I watched Saph's breakdown and so far it looks like Trunda teams will still be the go-to . Her A2 splash damage is where the problem is multiplying multipliers and all they really all they did was remove 1 of those multipliers(all though it's the biggest multiplier 'crit damage') Trunda will still dominate

[@adambohlin5112]

Taunt is the big R.I.P here since it helped lower power teams to 1-key, these teams was not ever the culprits of the damage issue that started hydra/champ nerfs the TAUNT R:I:P came out of nowhere,, they are generally hard to build due to buff extension/resetting CDs here Emic were as in WERE the only place he had a spot and were viable, he was never the issue as with Wixwell and Trunda such a stupid nerf for these teams were not the Kraken dealing damage teams. As so many CCs already reacted to what is the point with Taunt and reflect damage in the game they have never had a place and now taunt got screwed over in the only scenario it had some kind of value.

[@andrewheitz2328]

we all knew the trunda nerf and shield dmg nerf was necessary and we all knew people would be upset about it, and i agree this video did a lot to soften the blow. I don't care about most of these changes, but the taunt did catch me off guard. think its fine, just a shame because hydra was the only place anyone was using taunt, and now emic just dropped hard in value as well. but dropping the turn limit was a must and I'm so glad they did.

[@michadraogo7399]

Emic is still a great champ for Iron Twins and Shogun !

[@livwilde8267]

I'm pissed. Highly encourage people not to spend money on this game. Devs need to leave champs in testing if they 'aren't functioning as intended' otherwise you're selling the public a cheeseburger when they ordered pizza. It just isn't right. Edit: it is plarium, so I should have expected this, shame on me.

[@hasancakir19961996]

i think 2 m shield is enough 2m because u grow wixwell one and the artefact one , i hope its enough and i feel like it should be enough

[@davidlynch5309]

just wait till you can't ever get a chest then see if your made

[@mutwa6528]

I don't mind most of the changes. Typical Plarium to profit on all the events they run focusing on the champs that were needed for some of the crazy comps before nerfing them though.

[@goddrikhyde4990]

I think the taunt thing is dumb and I think they are changing too many things at once. But I do think changes were needed.

[@Lordebok]

I don’t agree with ppl defending the taunt mechanic going away completely, but that’s a wash. It is what it is. The thing I think we can all agree on is that Plarium needs to actually playtest their game thoroughly instead of using us as their playtesters. They sell solutions to problems they create and then nerf the solutions later on. It’s bait and switch.

[@jerremyaske7358]

I think what a lot of people arent thinking about is most of these issues only became issues when they made hydra clash. By making rewards pvp based, thats when the griping began. How were clans without trunda supposed to compete with these cheese teams that did billions of damage when most people are barely 1 keying heads. I dont think most people care about those teams if the rewards were just for the person. Whats the real difference in a person doing 1 billion or 39.6 million ln nightmare by themselves? Nothing, but when you made rewards attainable by competing then it became unfair

[@slantchev]

I have two Trunda teams and one of them would do 55 billion damage on NM hydra, earning 220 billion points for the clan. We won more than once just with my one key against entire endgame clans. Trunda was ridiculously unbalanced. I also built and tried the Wixwell/Yannica taunt-based team but never had the patience to rerun it for full potential. I will have to rebuild my teams and I am looking forward to that. These changes were needed because otherwise the clash was just silly.

[@eliargumedo4728]

If you expected a trunda team nerf without buffing hydra or nerfing champs, then idk what to say

[@RaidShadowRipoff]

Wow , now all of our taunt champs are going in the vault….the one place packmaster was any good he’s now useless. Wasted time, money and energy on that fusion I guess. Not to mention the resources it took to build him. Now Wixwell the one champ the community was allowed to vote on is nerfed. Time , money and energy went into that fusion. As well as all the resources to build him. Then time energy and money to build teams around him. The one champ in the game that should never be touched. Hyped him up let us vote on his skills to get us invested in him as a champ. We spend our time and money doing the difficult fusion. We grind to build him and teams around him for months now. While they rake in the money by putting him in boosted summon events and prism pools etc….. just raking in the money. Only to nerf him when he isn’t the one doing the ridiculous damage? It’s no different than a rug pull scam, and if a company did that with a crypto coin it would criminal fraud. Nice con they pulled there on the players who spent their time and money going after wixwell. And they have put wixwell and trunda in almost every other boosted summon event and prism pool leading up to this….. raking in the money before they pull the rug… it’s fraud

[@shipboy32]

Man surprisingly I felt the same way and I do have a trunda team. I actually do want a balanced game and I think that this will actually be a great thing for the community because it will give them alot more content and it's kind like hyrda is a new boss now. Ok so a new reason to craft new teams and stragetys? Isn't that the where the fun is in this game??

[@BubbaBasher02]

It is all a problem. They made Hydra harder for the average player and did not effect the super teams on an even level as it will effect the average guy which was the intent of the changes

[@rickybell]

1:20... its funny...plarium says... "dun worry you'll deal less damage, the game mode is gonna be harder, more punishing, we arent lowering the required points... but hey you'll get there".... what a joke...

[@Pokervibes]

I'm ok with thé change of the whole mechanics if they made it a hard mode as they did with dungeons I'm disagreed with Wixwell, Emic and Trunda nerfs Very happy to sée your reactions ❤🎉 but a little bit surprised you didn't know for the taunt mechanic 😢 I've built a Trunda team (10B damage in Normal) and a Wixwell Emic Loki Yannick team: all these efforts vanished with a simple snap of the fingers! Keep pushing! Love watching your videos ❤

[@RandomNY1234]

Should have just added a harder level, and cap the damage that could be done per hit.

[@MugRuith]

They lost me at "Hey everyone..."

[@greatking2912]

I don’t get what yall talking about cheese if I have to put any time, thought, strategy, masteries, gear and souls, 5times to make a team work… A real cheese would be to put a champion in with no gear and it still works And it’s so obviously they don’t want it to work. They want it to make money. The easy fix would’ve been to stop extra hits from doing critical damage.

[@Bill-uk6of]

I hate the shield nerf and let me explain why , I thought of what if hydra heads just had a "buff" that said " the enemy's shield cant exceed X amount ", kinda like the "almighty resistance " because then you dont "ruin" potential fun from other areas of the game like clan boss but tbh I don't care that much

[@alicelaybourne1620]

I won't lie, I clicked on the video hoping for some cathartic ranting to make me feel better, yes it was a bit of a let down. I really wondered how you would respond given your recent interest in learning more about Hydra and building a working team. I just put tons of resources into Yannica since I have Wixwell, so that blows.

[@elvenstranger]

Most seems reasonable and restoring a challenge, for people playing the game shields and Trunda were clearly going to get hit so thats OK. Taunt stings for me, it has never been mentioned before and on Tuesday at the start of CVC I booked packmaster fully to best use his taunt. 24 hours later its clearly been a waste of books and that hurts.

[@KresnikOSRS]

There goal was to not impact the cb teams so I think we should be good on that front. I’m happy for the hydra buffs but I wish they would have reworked how taunt works to make it not completely useless. Overall good move by Plarium. They needed to do it and it was always going to cause some anger. People that are pissed need to go for a walk

[@beowulf1563]

How about you go for a walk off a long pier.