LA Valiant dropping EVERYONE to move to China!? & OWL 2021 UPDATE! - Plat Chat Ep. 70 (feat. Custa)

[@blob4444333221]

We need a player union. The titans pulled some straight bullshit last year and now the valiant are trying to do the same. This type of mismanagement should not and cannot be tolerated.

[@pault161]

amen

[@mitchkat123]

While I agree with you, Unfortunately, that would be very difficult to do and unlikely to happen. A player would need to take charge of it, they would have to pay dues, attend meetings, etc. There’s just a lot of costs of both time and money players would have to put into it. And with many of the players being young, they just don’t have experience with that kinda of thing. Custa has talked about this a bit on his streams if you’re really curious about why it’s near impossible to start a player’s union.

[@blob4444333221]

@@mitchkat123 That's quite sad. These guys are getting exploited at every opportunity

[@bartekmostek4850]

@@blob4444333221 while it might not work in the OWL CS, LOL, DOTA and r6 could try it. Who knows maybe it will work

[@b0ld651]

It isnt an owl only problem. Cloud9 is famous for that issue recently and a bunch of other orgs have shorthanded people like this.

[@therealpyromaniac4515]

Who remembers the Valiant winter ball? Never knew that would be the first and last time we would see that roster play

[@nritsch]

DarkMode was an NA team; JMac speaks Korean. He probably coached via google doc because it's easier to translate.

[@Asdf548]

That is INSANE

[@fakeaccount6319]

He also had a translator who went to Paris with him???

[@pranavsrao6]

who’s ready for valiant to drop the news after plat chat

[@zak0o110]

I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO SAY SOMETHING CHRIST

[@tokinGLX]

as a maui resident, holy balls i hope the hawaii thing happens. im sure it will be on oahu but that will give me a reason to skip over there for a weekend. and for reference, my usual ping is in the 72-85 range. it takes some getting used to but thats life 2500 miles away from mainland

[@tokinGLX]

-assuming, that is, a post or at least semi post covid world. keeping hopes high that this coming year will be a change for the better

[@chefreyna2291]

72 ping is still good imo

[@FRC_CR]

you're complaining about 72-85 ping?? I get 100-120 on the low loool

[@chefreyna2291]

@@FRC_CR I’m diamond on Valorant NA servers from Australia with 190-210 ping

[@Zapando]

@@chefreyna2291 Q oce then

[@dogs-game-too]

If Valiant are dropping their whole roster; I agree it's completely unethical to the players and the league should put rules in place now to either prevent it or asap to stop it from ever happening again.

[@spoogsq836]

The league put in those rules for the same reason the valiant are dropping them. It was intentional

[@lootbaglu]

i hope its not true becaues there are too many players on that roster that are simply not finding a new team and a few of them would be hot demands but signings are pretty much done. Learn from Vancouver and dont kill your org.

[@ratchetst3v38]

Vancouver essentially did the same thing and then did it again for the half-ass team they brought in; Boston kept 6 people for straight loss games and only after S2 and 3 started making an actual team. Both are still eligible to run teams and have had 0 apparent consequence OWL wise, so Valiant will likely get to do the same. It's such a shitty system and a shame for the people who are trying to compete/coach.

[@fir4e180]

This is why we need a players union

[@nickniehaus1763]

They should simply have to pay out their contract

[@eckroattheeckroat4246]

I'm really surprised Libero has also gone unsigned in addition to Rascal. There should be a place for him in the league.

[@lethixplayz3185]

I have a theory on this. According to many rumours in the Justice trials Libero and Pelican were the only ones to beat Ttuba in trials. As Pelican is signed to Atlanta I assume Libero is signed to Washington or a team like Philly.

[@b0ld651]

Rascal retired I think. I might be wrong so someone correct me but I am pretty sure he wanted to leave.

[@lethixplayz3185]

@@b0ld651 Rascal has not retired. He has had offers from lots of teams but is looking for a team he wants to play for and that offers the most money. Like Moth. The only offer he said he had which he would have taken was one from Defiant but that apparently fell through.

[@jon8021]

My Dollar Tree still has Lucio-ohs. Time to buy them up and undercut Sideshow’s cereal scheme.

[@karaagechicken]

Hello from Hawaii, we have a esports arena. No 5G tho for cell. 1gb fiber internet tho.

[@kevinparker5738]

Bren trying to say mRNA: "ammemmmm... memm.... mememmemanmememm.. . anenome?" Sideshow: "Yes, nemo, that's correct"

[@intelligentblue]

I love the little zarya tuft on Sideshow's head from the pic in the bg

[@Chris-cv7cl]

I absolutely love hearing kurt laugh out in the distance

[@Minded-.-]

Brennon "why don't you talk about leaks on Plat Chat?" Hook

[@maxtaetle420]

@bill dipperly wasn’t that about the la situation too?

[@ArkbladeIX]

@@maxtaetle420 yes lol

[@drborisyum9977]

*buys Lucio cereal for the set* - *puts it directly out of sight in seconds*

[@CartwheelJoe]

Is the scientific community the highest winning “individual” of the Brens player of the week award

[@MegaHari7861]

Might be soe I think

[@Cantor_Johns]

The scientific community is probably leading in the BPOTW ranking by now

[@SimonR0cKs]

Friendly comment to help the KZbin algorithm here.

[@GeorgeN678]

if LAV actually drop all these players and destroy their season they should be punished in some way or sort wtf.

[@Drkillzz]

U mean like the titans did last year. Esports is a wild scene

[@saveyoursoul9190]

@@Drkillzz I think it’s different because titans players had issues with the org and they just left. This valiant org aka Immortals Gaming Club sold their soul to China pepelaugh

[@kobsu1919]

@@saveyoursoul9190 at least it wasnt as bad as titans

[@thanishdavipaul2876]

@@saveyoursoul9190 yea they wanted them to work for dirt poor and fissure even was ok with it but the org wasnt

[@rickmorty2893]

Preseason Power Rankings! i need them we need them please give them to us

[@nickniehaus1763]

I’ll tell you: 1 Shock, then everyone else

[@rickmorty2893]

@@nickniehaus1763 shock are poop, florida mayhem are #1

[@Eutrofication]

iirc, seagull's stats on dva were just about second or top in season 1 stage 4. Remember when Dallas nearly defeated the then beastly NYXL oh it was glorious

[@MLin87]

Patiphan retired before he even made it to the League. Age restrictions are necessary but it's problem if careers are that short.

[@masterzjg]

Johnny forgetting the schengen? Sideshow saving the day, and his country has never been in it :)

[@AzaMinis]

Neeb was the first Starcraft foreigner to win on Korean soil during the 2016 KeSPA Cup. That was in October 2016, so a couple months before the Apex Season 1 tournament was decided.

[@Flameserpent2518]

One of the earliest games I can remember watching was the USA vs South Korea Hanamura map with Flow3r just totally popping off on Widow.

[@koalasquare2145]

Only teams like Paris will have 16 games. The shock will have at least 3 games per tournament meaning they will have 28 games in total (max)

[@yewweilim714]

Sleeping on paris smh

[@leftkarmatwo4191]

I do not understand why everyone is after Halo. Rumors take place in every sport. In every media.

[@GarageSeller]

I dont think they’re hating on halo, they’re just saying that if the tweet is partially incorrect or the wording is bad, he could be messing with the valiant hella bad. I fully believe halo here, though, because the suits will be suits.

[@hisokamorow1816]

Matt shaved :O

[@petertaylor3318]

If you all were going to watch more games, I think it would be cool to watch an NYXL Season 1 game from when they were at their peak. Also, a cool thing you could do for the upcoming season would be a team draft where each of you pick each OWL team by predicting how many wins each team would have. For example, Shock would probably go high in the draft because they should be one of the best teams. At the end of the season, you add up the teams' wins for each of you. #content

[@roryjaymes682]

I thought the Johnny announcement at the end was going to be for another old vod review episode in which they reviewed one of Johhny's old matches on Rogue. Please do that. I think that would be not only super cool and dope, but also really interesting to see just how much the game has changed since then.

[@phoney4258]

And then Valiant dropped everyone.

[@leojung3928]

rascal played tracer when striker was treating injury, played torb.mei in double barrier, played a phenomenal echo , and played genji in the countdown cup. what a player

[@slothsarecool]

Anyone else feel like it's hard to get attached to a team when they change rosters so often? At least NYC and a few others are somewhat consistent, but London is fresh pretty much every year, and the players don't get much publicity.

[@ryansemple3830]

Yay yet another episode where Johnny wasn't kicked out :D

[@tijmen-bk6rc]

Is he kicked from plat chat?

[@ryansemple3830]

@@tijmen-bk6rc no they just replace him a lot of the time

[@ScorchHellfire]

Apparently the streamer that Ryujehong was saying all the sexist stuff to has defended him by saying she was cursing at and insulting him too and that it was all "friendly banter."

[@Pacman69420]

Love, positivity, and good vibes from India for sideshow to get good internet!

[@danielfrost6327]

I understand that the plat chat cast can't criticize the over watch league, but they definitely have some culpability. At the very least they made a negligent mistake changing the contract rule that allows for the destruction of all of these player's careers, but blizzard, just like the teams, is out for money and if they could change the contracts so players can be dropped more easily without backlash, it's more money in their pockets at the end of the day. I blame Immortals for this, but you can't provide orgs the opportunity to do stuff like this and then just expect them all to do the right thing and lose money. That's why rules like the old one existed in the first place.

[@ScorchHellfire]

Entrusting a corporation to properly regulate other corporations is never going to end well. They're all driven by greed.

[@danielfrost6327]

@@ScorchHellfire Yes, but if they receive public backlash from acting in a certain way, that very greed will motivate them to change to conform to what the public wants, which is precisely why I made the above point.

[@ScorchHellfire]

@@danielfrost6327 That _should_ be how it works. But sadly, ActiBlizz (like most corporations) has repeatedly shown that the vast majority of public backlash is not enough to make them actually change course. It has to take a lot more than usually happens to force their hand (like that one time where the outcry over the proposition of having people's real names appear next to forum posts was near universal). Usually they either apologize/try to reassure their players/viewers (responding to the Diablo Immortal fiasco by reminding everyone that they had other Diablo projects in the works) and keep going or make some hollow half-measure (like only reducing Blitzchung's ban to 6 months instead of a year despite the fact that he was only doing what Blizzard themselves have often done and then giving a vague and insincere apology at Blizzcon) to placate the people just enough that it won't hurt their profit margin in any significant way.

[@b0ld651]

Blizzard is owned by activision. That should tell you everything about their greed. Their employees are super underpaid, it got to a point where OSHA (or whatever the org is called) sent out surveys to the employees. There are really sad stories out there about blizz and activision employees getting severely used/underpaid. Their execs in blizz and activision are earning way too much and a few execs have been accused of unprofessional conduct in the workplace.

[@datman879]

11:20 reinforce is right, they did add artificial latency to games. In order to make games fair, they added artificial latency to players with good connection to make it fair for people with a bad connection. So let’s say a person has 150 ping and another has 10, the person with 10 will be given an artificial ping boost and make their ping something like 50 or 60.

[@xythiera7255]

Thats stupid

[@cutmeloosebruce1955]

@@xythiera7255 no its not, they want games to be as fair as possible, they don't want people to do bad just because they have bad internet.

[@applesaucy0925]

@@cutmeloosebruce1955 so the solution is to punish people who spend hard earned money to get good internet?

[@ToasterPizzaFun]

@@applesaucy0925 I know I'm late to this, but the latency is more likely to be caused by distance to servers than the quality of your internet. You could have a baller internet connection but still get 60-70 or even higher ping simply because you're not close to a server.

[@applesaucy0925]

@@ToasterPizzaFun Would it show as 70 ping then? Cuz I haven't seen 70 ping since i got better internet

[@aurdiem]

why does the picture of so0n that the leauge used make him look like he is dead

[@alexvasnormandy]

6:41 "90 ping is where OW stops being fun to play" Me, playing since 2017 on 200 ms: "Oh."

[@pastaking3639]

I was really happy with 2020 OWL. The last seasons were very hard to catch-up if you miss a day or so.

[@willowz1378]

I feel like everyone forgets about leave in the conversation of super hyped rookies with a long history before owl

[@b0ld651]

Leave is underrated because of chengdu which sucks. But yeah leave needs more clout he is a good player.

[@celticsfan1554]

Wow, 4 OWL employees doing everything they can to not blame their bosses for this mess. OWl let this happen so if anyone is to blame its them

[@mattlozinski1700]

The valiant situation is just more proof that a player's union is neccessary

[@hisokamorow1816]

Regarding the player of the week, I just recently was infected with an antibiotic resistant staph infection (I have cystic fibrosis) and I had to go onto a different antibiotic that I then got an allergic reaction to today. It’s just an annoying rash, nothing too severe but it’s good to see my bois in the scientific community making progress in this field lol.

[@jygsaw8237]

i live in Hawaii and am super excited for if the players come here, its almost impossible to get ping lower than 60 her but still exciting

[@senor135]

Gods bless Kurt for the dance emotes to keep the audience sane and entertained.

[@conallross1694]

I imagine that the ridiculous amount of burnout from online play has to do with the short 16 day season. we saw so much player turnover and burnout, it makes sense to assume OWL would be trying to avoid even more of that for another year

[@fletcha4185]

I'm in the same boat as Custa here, I've been a loyal fan of the Valiant since season one. I'm very disappointed in IGC and will likely stop supporting them if everything turns out to be true though I really hope that they backpedal like Godzilla has pulled up on the bike path.

[@spoogsq836]

Same, It saddens me when players are dropped in a normal fashion but this would be above and beyond hard dropping a roster 1 month before the season to satisfy some weird chinese owners desire to have people of his own ethnic background on the team. Especially considering the valiant by all means had a good season.

[@CreamyLusciousness]

The players desperately need some type of union

[@Bavdingo]

Hydration and Seagull went through the sort of same journey. Bless them both!

[@milohampton9609]

Gladiators have missed a trick not reuniting rascal and birdring

[@AhJong0]

Great ep, always good to see Custa on.

[@4029ki-ey]

Immortals manages to make mistake after mistake.

[@lrofd24]

matt dropped for this episode. Plat chat has been..Custa-mized

[@kyley6939]

Thanks for the episode! Always look forward to Tuesdays for you guys

[@the_unimpressed_empoleon5436]

Time to invest in Hawaiian real estate so I get big profit when it becomes esports capital of the world

[@materwelon1047]

Good luck on getting Internet Sideshow

[@carsonminter3020]

Glad you talked about the valiant drama. We love plat chat!!

[@ScorchHellfire]

Welcome back, stage finals. You were sorely missed.

[@grathlei1453]

favourite moment has to be when the lads are talking about cows and you can see Custa mouthing "what is happening"

[@taliamirai970]

Bren really missing that rambly Fourheads format. Would love to see Sideshow with a fade. Also, Sideshow, welcome to Texas. Make sure to visit Torchy's Tacos.

[@hidude9919]

Is 4heads just dead now?

[@EmeraldCavaliers]

its 16 games, but with also tournament games so for the lower seed teams it goes to 20-21 games if they loose all playoff games, that isnt too bad in my opinion. if playoff still give extra wins its even more important for top teams that will end with 30 games each

[@r3nz4h]

The small amount of general knowledge of 4 people can have combined is incredible :D

[@jubjubssy]

Anyone else realise that the OWL format just got reverse engineered all the way back to the season 1 stages format?

[@ranncraft1618]

But with less games. Also its only working because you arent doing Homestands so you need something else for the hype.

[@KitelessMusic]

Custa's hair is really fine this episode 👌

[@Rekcha]

I mean, Rascal was only the Brig, Mei, and Echo player for the past two seasons. Sinatraa was played over him on Doomfist in the playoffs of season 2. He wasn’t played on Genji. I’m not saying he isn’t great, but I haven’t been on the Rascal hype train at any point and am not surprised he wasn’t signed

[@samrowe8752]

I know exactly the visuals Johnny is going for with Hawaii, it would be so fucking sick to have the desk on the beach

[@Me3ss]

I've not only been a Valiant fan since day one but an immortals fan for as long as I've watched E-sports.They inspired me to start my own e-sports org. I'm completely devastated and can't possibly stand by them anymore. Heartbroken...

[@bwiv]

"Who is the world?" Brennan Hook, 2021

[@jade4662]

The scientific community should win Bren's player of the week award next week as well for discovering a new type of whale

[@danielfornell3436]

I was thinking they should have 22-24 games it’s enough so everyone feels comfortable and not overwhelmed by the amount of games. But also allows players to improve through the season and for games to count. My issue with 16 is it does not give rookies or really anyone enough time to get used to each other and improve team work. I truly feel that even though the off-season is long. The teams with veterans who already played together, they are gonna be the better teams.

[@ScorchHellfire]

16:29 Ah. So that's why they took all the T-Mobile stuff down. :P

[@zacharyhall9930]

Bren you are a legend for the science players of the week

[@IHJello]

Every heard of Lawsons? Its a gas station that started in Ohio, but they picked up thier location and moved to Japan. That literally sounds like the move Valiant is making

[@Makkendam]

20:10 I got your joke Jonathan, respect.

[@djordjebogicevic2998]

I can see sadness in Custa's face

[@seannymeggs8909]

People seem to forget that immortals gaming bought out OpTic gaming before for their CDL spot and then left it like a year later

[@lachlansamuels03]

Yesssss finally so overwatch world cup content, can't wait for next episode

[@robreid5229]

Am I missing something? Why would OWL planning to send some teams to Hawaii to play online games be trailblazing for esports when other esports have had and are have announced plans to have bubble LAN events before that?

[@srilankalotteryresults9447]

When will we see Bren, Sideshow, Jake and Uber ?

[@NiumZX]

I bet if PlatChat is done by AI, they will still invite Custa for Valiant news.

[@prplxdpotato]

If you guys actually come here for the tournaments, that would be so sick

[@robertgasperino7911]

Still have a box of old lucio ohs from the world cup times

[@MrWorldwide69x]

Someone ought to track how many of bren's player of the week are overwatch related... It would be interesting to see how it's evolves as plat chat continues

[@greyaye8565]

6:45 "90 ping is about where Overwatch stops being fun to play." *Looks depressingly at my 160ms latency.*

[@Sodohodos]

RIP Tmobile sponsorship

[@jinsimpfor2878]

Halo of thought has been 💯 right this of season btw

[@MarioGomez-gg3oy]

3 misreports but 44 right🙃

[@burstvgc]

good luck getting internet mr joshua

[@IHJello]

Processed cereal does not go bad....

[@brycebiddle844]

I wonder if Overwarch 2 releases in October and that's why the season is short?

[@fir4e180]

Lrobablyy

[@junesucy3014]

its like y’all never give halo his props when he’s right but when he’s wrong? y’all hop on it quick. why?

[@patricks7428]

He's a reporter he should never be wrong if he's reporting something that's called spreading rumors

[@orbitrons6731]

"yall never give all the pilots who successfully land their planes their props, but when they crash? yall hop on it quick"

[@junesucy3014]

@@patricks7428 that’s understandable but at least give credit where credit is due

[@junesucy3014]

@@orbitrons6731 that’s the worst analogy ever. stop. please.

[@alexstroud4665]

@@junesucy3014 I can think of a lot worse analogies

[@blurse1652]

On the essay thing 1600 words in times new roman 12 doubled spaced is 5 pages.

[@JamesLee-yn4wj]

Bruh Custa is so confused during Bren’s player of the week

[@shreythaker3452]

Thanks for addressing the Ryujehong news... I’m so disheartened as well he was an inspiration to so many so it hurts to see the vile things he said

[@calumwyness9668]

what did he say

[@orbitrons6731]

@@calumwyness9668 A bunch of very sexist stuff. Insulted a female co streamer with a lot of misogynistic insults. Condoned the use of (and used himself) some very misogynistic language regarding everything from gold digging to menstruation. Real bad stuff if you ask me. If you google for the tweets you will find translations and the more exact wording It really is disheartening to see, I used to be a big fan of his but alas.

[@omarlopez3257]

Which report was it that made Halo leave the scene for awhile

[@ginargent5077]

8 teams are USA, China, GB, Korea, Finland, Sweden, Australia, and France right?

[@JarekTM]

1:21:03 “3017” - Custa

[@tgverm]

I think a 20 match per team would be a bit better just ticking on another placement match per tourney

[@ChadSkittles]

Today's the day I finally learn what a mute is. Thanks, guys.

[@RuneSkimmy]

16 games per season is awful

[@senior.toucan6370]

Why? It just gives matches more value