Plato's Theory of Immortality

Chapter Sixteen from Book One, Part Two of Bertrand Russell's "The History Of Western Philosophy" (1945).

[@maninsligo]

Grateful for this upload.

[@chandrahasshetye123]

Thanks a lot for the very important of the western philosophy

[@pacepacesplanet5829]

"Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"...Our 5 senses is of the flesh, Our heart is where the Lord teaches us. Less than a split second He can teach us within our heart something that's worth a 1,000 words...."For man cant live alone on bread and water but every word that cometh from the Lord"...Pace

[@ashtangalove1093]

Very very good. Thanks for posting this

[@sayoshyantjovianus4518]

As a plotonic philosopher I hold great hope in these audio book dialogues.

[@reveranttangent1771]

Interesting, I've been forced to admit that I'm a Neo Platonist.

[@michaelhebert7338]

very well done thank you

[@Mikesapien]

Scathing, but so true. Like all things Russell, this chapter is equal parts wine and vinegar.

[@suprera1525]

resembles the words in bhagawat gita and vedas...hmmm... perhaps the greek philosophers were highly impressed by Egyptian and Vedic mysteries … or perhaps they all are trying to tell us the same thing...be a seeker

[@jimakisspd]

The ancient Greeks had mysteries too bro, research for ''Eleusinian mysteries'' to whom Plato was initiated(like Pythagoras and Orpheus before him).

[@differous01]

"Whoever is the wisest among you is also a mere conflict and cross between plant and ghost." [Thus Spoke Zarathustra] Nietzsche chose Zarathustra because he was the precursor of Indian and European thought. Plato's meta-physic holds mind (the anima/animus/'ghost') independent of our matter (which grows like a plant), Aristotle's meta-physic holds mind an emergent property of matter.

[@chinneths1]

the foolishness of the body is as much its lusts and hunger as it is its thought...

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Duty is a shackle

[@jeanbordes8241]

Pas de référence à Ménon et Gorgias,mais tout ce qui est dit est excellent!Merci mille fois.

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[@DudeRevolution]

I liked these philosophies, and didn't fully connect with Bertrands rebuttals.. but his conclusion was so witty, 'he needs a long residence in a scientific purgatory.' haha!

[@inthemomenttomoment]

TRUE PHILOSOPHY IS ALL INCLUSIVE WITH A YEA RATHER THAN A NO TO ANYTHING, INCLUDING SPIRIT, MIND, AND BODY, IN THAT ORDER, A FULLY SUPREME BEING WHERE THE MIND IS A REFLECTION OF SPIRIT, BODY OF MIND, AND ACTIONS OF BODY. BODY IS TO BE CARED FOR IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SOUL FIRST, NOT EXCLUDED FOR THE BODY IS THE CHARIOT OR RAIMENT OF THE SOUL AND THE MIND IS NAVIGATOR OF ITS SHIP CALLED LOVE & TRUTH TO THE SPIRITUAL VIRTUE THAT IS PROPELLED BY TRUE INTENTION TO OUR NIRVANA WE ALL SEEK NOW.

[@pawekontr2919]

@Paul Rogers Why?

[@donovan225]

I CANNOT FOCUS

[@yaleshaenterprise9645]

Socrates was a Greek prophet (all prophets are moral philosophers).

[@level4286]

I have a deep feeling, that we're living in the times of the final encounter between the clashing ideas of Plato and Aristotle - the end of one of the two's time. Ideas VS Fanatismn, Idealism VS Materialism, Equality VS Greed, Heaven/Soul VS Earth/Body, Communitarian VS Individualistic.

[@mokitaism]

Perhaps these encounters have been artificially induced to create this feeling? Man seems to be predisposed to accept the looming clash of dualism, in a revelation of sorts. But in reality, these dualities play out in our lives every day. The light/dark, good/evil, are an eternal part of consciousness. It’s how we utilise our skills to navigate these dualities that allow us to have success.

[@level4286]

@@mokitaism As long as "seeing others (and other things) as a means to one's ends" we will keep destroying humanity and nature, in a manner like now - where we've tilted the equation to a catastrophic deep end. One where we most likely will never come back from. And, i feel and think with horror and shock, that we most likely will continue down this path and destroy the most of life in the universe. My biggest fear, is that we are becoming the villain in a Star Trek episode or Star Wars film. That STrek more than an inspiration of what we could become, but a casualytary tale of what we are becoming (same goes for Star Wars). Very much like the movie "Metropolis".

[@Darklight727]

This planet has been turned upside down. Like the Hindu scriptures predicted - The fool will become wise, people will be lovers of money rather than lovers of justice etc. More and more people are becoming ungrateful, victims of pleasure and materialism. Truth is the less you have the more you appreciate basic things on earth.

[@chumaggotscaesar]

I was so crazy back then

[@bassbuckmaster]

someone told me once that just before the big bang everything in the universe was pressed to the size of a basketball, which if your normal you can't wrap your head around. but anyway he said that was god, which explains god is in us all. i think that is as far as science has gotten us.

[@markoblazney6360]

+bassbuckmaster god is a b-ball

[@jamesfortner9695]

Well it's called the singularity and a basketball is infinitely to big and an overstuffed....try the the size of an atom. The Big Bang is not hard to understand, String Theory has explained it. String Theory has not been proven but it makes total sense. No science has to come up with all the answers but no one doubt that it has proven some.....science is about taking something we know and applying it to something we don't. Ultimately it's about taking the sum to figure out the whole. We will get it.......religion on the other hand will in the future simply be the thing that set us on the coarse.

[@arturofernandez725]

@@jamesfortner9695 what do you mean when you say religion sets on course?

[@Darklight727]

There was no big bang since you can't trace when the universe began because it was always there. It has no shape since it has no form and yet it is indeed everywhere at anytime it is infinitely expanding.

[@ernestoglez6725]

4:13

[@OnCharmLee]

[Genuine-soul and Miscellaneous-soul. What is your Soul Quotient?] I divide the soul into miscellaneous-soul and genuine-soul. Miscellaneous-soul is a soul associated with everyday life for the flesh and physical world only with the five senses, and genuine-soul is a soul with truth-realization via pure thinking and spiritual activity. I have developed a measurement table that measures individual’s mental level (SQ, Soul Quotient) according to the degree to which he has realized real-truth. There are 150 steps in the table, ranging from -500 to +1000 depending on how much you have developed your soul based on your intelligence. Those who are trapped in the physical world and live mainly in the flesh belong to the scope of -500 ~ +500, and those who do the real-truth and live mentally belong to +500 ~ +1000. Another separate table gives the examples of the well-known persons’ SQs in human history. Are not you curious about how much your SQ is? OnCharm Lee (Author of the book “Humans, God, and Truth - Human Life is the Awakening Process”)

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[@peterrooke5336]

So plato's soul is the thing that makes humans act in other words the brain ?

[@victormizell9945]

Immortality is the idea of not being. If you are not present, you exist entirely as a possibility.

[@melissaannemccrae1695]

Ironic that Christians are against suicide. If Christians consider suicide a choice, then they would agree that Jesus himself committed suicide. He performed actions and spoke words that were punishable by death. Is martyrdom not suicide? How is dying for someone's sins considered the biggest act of love but suicide is a mortal sin?

[@mokitaism]

He foresaw the end of his life, not chose to offer it. Nor did he seem to ask for martyrdom.

[@jamesmcvey7568]

Jesus was murdered for a purpose. A man who knowing what was coming understood his soul was more valuable the the physical life. To honor God, his father he walked as a man willingly into the jaws of death and because of who he is( God in flesh ) stuck in deaths craw if you will. Most reasoning men understand action is a reflection of soul. to lay down your life for a brother is love but to lay down your life for a stranger is real love. Knowing the slayer harms his own soul and hurts not the slayiee. The old lights have a saying . Only the actions of a man can hurt that man and not the actions of another man. Jesus affirmed his love for man in his death. Your only argument the could be ( he created his creation and directs it ways so then it was his creation who killed him as written and therefore his hand in killing himself. ) This leaves out the previous point. You are not your body but housed in it. Your soul being the ' treasure " in the field to guard. To guard that soul you must find wisdom, wisdoms begining is in knowing we KNOW nothing searching out why.

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[@kimgram2277]

Praxis is better than theory.

[@michaelaureliusrose3064]

Nobody has ever said that the philosopher should be free of honest daily labour . I don’t actually know where you got this view from. Plato never said this. Nor did Ariistotle, nor didKant !!

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philosophy

[@OnCharmLee]

[Miscellaneous-spirit and Genuine-spirit, What is your mental index (SQ, Spiritual Quotient)?] I use spirit, mind, and soul to distinguish it, and divide the spirit into miscellaneous-spirit and genuine-spirit. Miscellaneous-spirit is a spirit associated with everyday life for the flesh, and genuine-spirit is used as a spirit of truth-realization. I have developed a measurement table that measures individual’s mental level according to the degree to which he has realized real-truth. There are 150 steps in the table, ranging from -500 to +1000 depending on how much you have developed your spirit based on your intelligence. Those who are trapped in the physical world and live mainly in the flesh belong to the scope of -500 ~ +500, and those who do the real-truth and live mentally belong to +500 ~ +1000. Another separate table gives the examples of the well-known persons’ SQs in human history. Are not you curious about how much your SQ is?

[@peternguyen5494]

thanks to understanding plato ideal, america develop like today!

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[@LyranInjoy]

Plato has reincarnated and is alive on earth right now.

[@LyranInjoy]

@SERVEewerIDOLonEWERknees just my near death experience with Yeshua and Archangel Michael.

[@hyperduality2838]

Real, actual is dual to appearance, potential. Kinetic (real) energy is dual to potential energy -- the duality of energy. Electro (positive charge is dual to negative charge) is dual to magnetic (north poles are dual to south poles) -- Electromagnetic energy is dual.

[@mstrubinaakter9987]

There is any short note about this theory to anyone....

[@evo1ov3]

You know Plato is worth studying. When someone like Betrand Russell clearly doesn't understand him.

[@mayaforpeaceful]

soul : eternal body : not then, reincarnation is proven ?

[@AsadAli-jc5tg]

young maya - not really.

[@matthewgrant2785]

@@AsadAli-jc5tg yes really

[@Cloudbutfloating]

@@matthewgrant2785 not really soul isnt eternal because it is not existing, while body is matter, witch cant be destroyed.

[@OnCharmLee]

[Immortality of the Soul and Enlightenment] An individual soul can never be immortal. But the God, which corresponds to the whole soul, is immortal and eternal. An individual soul is the reflected and accumulated part of the whole soul on an individual during its lifetime. All physical entities have physical life and death. But God has no physical life or death. God is an intangible being as truth itself, which is never changed, but always right. Truth is the content of God, and the whole truth is God. So God exists from the beginning of any physical being and is right forever without physical life and death. Secondary physical existences have even a little divine attribute due to coming out of God. Life in the secondary existences refers to the beings that perform larger mental activities than pure substances, willing activities with cognition and intelligence. Life feels the circumstance, the nature, the natural law, the truth and God. According to the size of the spirit, the degree of intellectual activity, the degree of living, and the degree of feeling truth and God are different. Spirit refers to the function of intellectual activity, or the channel that realizes truth and feels God at a higher level. And the quality and magnitude of the soul refers to the accumulated truth that has been continuously realized through the spirit for his lifetime, while using the spirit. The realization of truth by an individual becomes to know God. So the soul is the projection of God to him. The realization of truth is how to know God, how to make a great soul, how to live wide and long. Truth and God exist in the physical world anytime and anywhere without changing. I categorize the spirit into the miscellaneous spirit for everyday bodily life and the genuine spirit for truth realization and make a table to measure each Soul Quotient (SQ). The larger the genuine spirit, the greater the soul can be made. The better in the quality and the larger the soul, the more spacious and longer the life. When an individual dies, his spiritual activity ceases and also his soul development ceases. Physical death means that there is no physical basis for spiritual activity to occur and for the soul to grow. Truth can be shared by any number of individuals. Therefore, truths that have been realized by an individual can be propagated to other people who live in the same age and passed on to later generations. These are the phenomena in which the individual souls affect other souls and are felt to be alive. As a conclusion, the whole soul, God, is not dead but immortal, but individual souls can last as long as souls that have been raised for their lifetimes, but never immortal. Be careful not to fall into the illusions or false theories that the individual soul is immortal. (If you want your soul to be immortal forever, realize the whole truth and become God's level, and you will live forever without death!) "God is alive, so the universe is alive, and thus I am alive." God never dies, and ancient saints are still alive according to their souls. From now on, let's look whether it is dead or alive based on the spirit (or the soul) rather than the flesh. Then all philosophical questions and actual problems of mankind will be resolved. OnCharm Lee (Author of the book “Humans & Truth - human life is the awakening process”)

[@user-jh7ni3jd8d]

I just wish I can die and come back alive just to be 100% sure what actually happens after death

[@religion-free]

You're not 100% sure? I am. But that's because I regard Quran instead of ignore it.

[@user-jh7ni3jd8d]

Original Islam & Pure Muslims sect-less sect-free thats what i am planning to do hopefully

[@vapekitty]

+Original Islam & Pure Muslims sect-less sect-free hahaha religon is just so dumb

[@asualkhazraji2015]

melinda and you are dumber hahaha

[@michaelaureliusrose3064]

Immortality of the soul , depends upon the nature and quality of the Soul upon death. It is immutable divine law . Not philosophic theory, but eternal Divine Law

[@truethinker221]

Do Atheist think Plato is stupid because he believed in the Immortality of the soul?

[@truethinker221]

Most of the Bible and other old religious books are the interpretations, opinions, and the bias of many different uninspired people, and not what Jesus and other inspired prophets actually said or meant

[@Pointingtothereality]

I'm an atheist and I don't think Plato is stupid, I think he's *wrong* in many respects but not stupid

[@DividedLine]

truethinker When Plato says "the soul" he's referring to consciousness. "Metempsychosis" or reincarnation isn't a supernatural concept, it's a reference to the form of the archetype, like the hero, the coward, the villain, etc. They "live" again and again. An individual hero comes to be and he passes away, none are permanent, except the form of the hero. Because it transcends any individual hero, or the person who participates in the form of heroism, it is "eternal." It has nothing to do with the supernatural. What you're doing is what evangelicals do when they take an allegory like Genesis literally. It's like thinking that Uncle Sam is a literal, supernatural deity who answers prayers. I'm an atheist and a Platonist. Plato attempted to answer the questions that spirituality and theology answered except by way of reason rather than faith. Platonism is a modernization of Pythagoreanism, which was itself a religion of natural science. "God" in Platonism isn't a magic flying guy, it's the form of the Good, the Good itself.

[@truethinker221]

Divided Line Good point but didn't they discuss whether the conscience continued after physical death? Hence; the name Plato's Theory of Immortality. 5:20 min

[@kpllc4209]

truethinker "The authority of Plato, Aristotle and Socrates carries little weight with me." Spinoza

[@alchamistoh1627]

Can someone summarise this shit

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[@deleteduser121]

Not a fan of russell

[@aslambhatti657]

PLATO IS IMMORTAL SOUL...U CAN BE TOO...JUST SAY ALLAH AEK HAY...SHIRK SE BACHO....ISA

[@exodus1369]

Try reading it again in conjunction with the Bible. Start with Job.

[@quadcatfly]

Life = sex, drugs and alcohol !

[@PreludeDude]

Wait so after all that and regular high praise, he just says that Socrates was basically a narcissist and subject to regular human deficiency in character? Good point.

[@christopherellis2663]

Disappointing, I like life. Cruel to his wife. Where does one obtain a knowledge of things that are not found from experience in life, yet from a previous set of experiences? Panta rhei

[@johncracker5217]

How dare you say that, Socrates belongs in scientific purgatory? God Russell sounds like the smug portrait he paints of Socrates.

[@tawfiekjabbor4108]

The Jew-Christian God gives grace, so the sinful nature may be not active.

[@RUMPLEforeskin25]

malkooth no. Yahweh was the race who designed man. Read the Sumerian clay tablets. Look at the OT " LORD god " genesis 2 an beyond. Yahweh was the Annunaki. The OT is a deception. Christ rebuked the god of Israel. Many times. An the text from Hammadi Nag Scrolls shows Christ was aware of these beings. An he called them out. We have eternal life. Born in sin is a deception. We only sinned again the Anunnaki. Not the truth creator of all. The father.