PLAYERS DIVIDED.. Fortnite Community Reacts to Bots Being Added to Fortnite OG | Twitter/X Drama

[@Clen-]

Thanks for watching everyone! Let me know what you think of all this!

[@rubenlohata5263]

imo this change was bad because most skilled players played og because there were 0 bot

[@durrpeepig6819]

How are people supposed to get better if they never go against better players epic better change this back

[@Scarydino6410]

Try to get epics attention for ltms please

[@soulzzzzx]

1:06 I agree with u how OG really reminded u of how fun it used to be without bots and sbmm!

[@RavioliBurrito]

I completely agree with your takes, speaking facts as usual. Idk if it’s harder to win because some ppl are better, it makes the win so much more exiting. Skill based matchmaking and bots have in some ways ruined the “magic” of fortnite.

[@Callsign_Blujay]

They _really_ just need a bot lobby toggle. I loved the fear the first day of chapter 6 and OG gave me, but now its just run around, point and click. There is no outsmarting bots, and its just not as interesting

[@John6-40]

Think of how empty Tilted Towers was with bots, compared to how packed that place was with real players.

[@Clen-]

So true 🥲

[@SirCrimothicusThickums]

i love it when they say "too many sweats, we need bots" as if the bots are gonna kill the sweats for them??

[@PandyThePandy]

No they mean bots to help them get kills not the bots killing the sweats and for the bots to fill up lobbies meaning less chances of a sweat

[@NBAdux]

SBMM+ Bots significantly helps the difficulty of your games. High skill lobbies have no more than 10 bots while the lowest has a majority of bots while medium tier has 50/50. If you're good or decent at the game you'll be placed against significantly less bots and more players around your skill.

[@golgiroth]

​​@@NBAduxif I wanted to fight ai, I would be playing a single-player game. It's not fun for me to be shot at by bots and not know who is a real person. I don't enjoy getting easy wins, I want an authentic experience with real people behind that lobby player count, so I can say I was the best in that lobby if I win. It's unfulfilling and honestly makes me not want to play if I'm going to be forced to fight ai.

[@SpellboundSpectre]

@@golgirothif your getting bot lobbies you might just be bad at the game

[@demonictatertot3376]

@@golgiroth yall are dumb asf. It is not that many bots. And 9 times out of 10 they are in the outskirts if you want action land at pois that are popular that way there is fewer bots. If you are getting thay many bots the game clearly things your skill level is that low which is a skill issue.

[@Darkforce170]

Why haven't they added just a bots only gamemode? It would solve so many problems

[@afroshinobi223]

People call me a sweat because I don’t want bots in the game, I’m a medium skilled player, played since season zero and with all the excuses like “but I want to complete challenges or get xp” play creative, stw, etc. bots don’t make me feel rewarded getting 10 kills of non real player makes me not want to play because it doesn’t let me improve

[@rubenlohata5263]

“but I want to complete challenges or get xp” then focus on the challenges not the players and also w comment

[@Qvaw]

Couldn't have said it better myself 👍

[@TheDogeOfSarcasm]

@@rubenlohata5263 Ngl... terrible response there. I was trying to complete quests when it first dropped. I had to dance at 3 named locations. I was getting sniped before I even landed in my first game. Not defending bots, at least in build cause admittedly that was a terrible idea, just saying that just cause you ignore players doesn't mean they don't exist or will ignore you.

[@damann7778]

are u stupid? u cant do your quest in those modes. stop acting slow

[@John6-40]

I'm also an average player. I build good, but my aim is probably below average and I need simple edits. I was getting destroyed routinely on day 1 of OG. My k/d that day was probably below 1.0. I'd take that over lobbies with 40+ bots any day. The map felt so ALIVE. Seemed like there were players all over the map for the first time since Chapter 1.

[@Buzz.co2]

It’s less of getting mad about people being better than me but instead the feeling that I am horrible at the game despite the fact that I have spent years on this game. I landed on the outskirts, I managed to win fights, I found bad players that I did the hug emote with, I went to POIs and won fights, but it never felt good to die to someone who is infinitely better than me and to feel as if I’m the worst player because they start acting toxic. It’s never fun for me to get top 90 place 28 times in a row even when I land outskirts. I’m glad SBMM is in this, I don’t like bots though.

[@maxims2832]

This. There must be something I am doing wrong for how much I play this game and I’m still a lot worse than everyone else apparently.

[@MinetestSore12]

I keep dying over and over to people better than me, but honestly I don’t think I’m affected that much. Starting on Season 5 on mobile, I’ve already been through this entire uphill battle, and honestly for me, it feels refreshing. I think no SBMM is better because I felt like my skill was starting to stagnate on the game, which it probably did. If you can’t go against anyone of any skill level, how can you really improve if you’re only going against those of your skill level? At least, that’s the way I think about it.

[@Callsign_Blujay]

I mean, maybe play it more tactically? If you cant out-shoot them, out-smart them?

[@AN-js3fr]

Then maybe try zb or yse ither strategies

[@TheDogeOfSarcasm]

@@MinetestSore12 It's not people better, it's the fact they were so incredibly much higher. The skill difference was absurd, unless you were a top tier player you stood no chance.

[@ConchGaming]

I honestly think because this is such a divisive topic now, Epic should really add a feature in settings where players can toggle on/off if they’d like to play with bots. Don’t know if that’s possible but just an idea.

[@sonnybowling5107]

Agree

[@goldenninja9053]

That sounds like a perfect way to meet in the middle!

[@ConchGaming]

@@sonnybowling5107 W

[@ConchGaming]

@@goldenninja9053 That’s what I was thinking lol

[@aaronjamesjackson5042]

@@ConchGaming they could do it like cod where you can play private matches full of bots for people who want bots

[@TheSupremeNerd5]

This is such a bad change, i was really only playing og over chapter 6 because of no bots and sbmm so i guess im gonna go back now

[@Buzz.co2]

Ranked comes out on Tuesday

[@TheSupremeNerd5]

bitch im not playing ranked og if i want to play a ranked mode itll be br or reload

[@gamerbeast3616]

good change

[@yoyoyoyoyoyo6]

@@gamerbeast3616awful change won’t last 10 months 😂 all they had to do was no bots and real players but no people can’t kill real players in a kids game 😂😂😂

[@gamerbeast3616]

@@yoyoyoyoyoyo6 good change go cry about it

[@FrshIce_Midas]

9:31 didn’t expect evolve Jake to be featured in this vid. He’s a really good KZbinr for zero build tips and tricks and other stuff as well

[@Clen-]

I was happy to see him share his thoughts! One of the best Fortnite KZbinrs out there. I watch him pretty well every day.

[@FrshIce_Midas]

@ nice!

[@Whiskers--5]

I love me some evolve jake

[@jbowman477]

I just feel like skill base matchmaking shouldn't be in casual modes. It should just be in ranked modes. It feels more rewarding when you win a game knowing that everyone was real.

[@Ryandude5678]

This. The entire point of Ranked is to have a skill-based system. And not to mention it's way more consistent than the one in pubs. SBMM never should've been in the core modes when we're prioritising Ranked more and more with every season. Every new mode gets its own Ranked version. So WHY is SBMM in pubs too?!

[@goldenninja9053]

I think you got it confused. SBMM and yes, even a few bots should be for casual play, and not in competitive. We casuals deserve a chance lol.

[@Ryandude5678]

@@goldenninja9053 It's a Battle Royale. I'm a casual too, but I did not complain once during the first 24 hours of OG without SBMM or Bots, nor did I complain about having to grind for weeks to get my first win back in 2018 on a 30 FPS Switch. The challenge IS the fun. That's the entire concept of BR; to be challenged by 100 real players. And knowing that every lobby was not only filled with 100% real players, but all kinds of skill levels is what made the game fun IMO. SBMM is a flawed system that rarely actually puts you against people of your true skill level. Unless you're brand new; in which case you're getting gracefully spoon-fed wins through barely functional bots. Which in my opinion, just ruins the specialty of getting your first win because it barely requires any effort. Even newer players are realising that. At the end of the day, why are you playing a Battle Royale if you don't enjoy the process of that concept? There are so many other modes for you if that's such a hassle.

[@somerandomguy7325]

Nah I still wanna win bro😭

[@damann7778]

nope, too bad

[@suddenlypineapples5169]

Imo, it’s never fun when I get destroyed when I’m trying to just goof around. Last season I was just standing and using the salute emote at the Juice WRLD POI, and then some asshole just comes around and one pumps me in the head. Games were originally made with fun and enjoyment in mind, but it’s never fun when people who are overly serious about the game take over the casual space. Tournaments and ranked are around for a reason, it’s to give the professionals a chance to shine. Pubs should be for more laid back, goofy, enjoyable matches.

[@TrillShvt]

Then you shouldn’t be emoting with building around you first 😂 THIS WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF “FORT” NITE *BATTLE* ROYALE

[@TrillShvt]

You are in an active battlefield and crying about someone shooting you . Imagine that. The least you could’ve did is build around yourself.😂 that was the greatest thing about Fortnite in the first place is that you can create your own cover and if you get killed well you are to blame most of the time. That guy saw an opportunity and shot you and it could’ve been an AI 😂 cus they shoot on contact At least real players sometimes emote with you and don’t kill you right away and might even dance . Not everyone takes the game that serious bud . Just get better

[@suddenlypineapples5169]

@@TrillShvt Where you are seeing zero issue with this, I find a massive problem. It was the beginning of the match and I had just landed and wanted to pay an ounce of respect to Juice even though I’ve never listened to his music or payed attention to his life. The guy could’ve very easily just stood next to me and emoted along since this was a pubs match and not something where you have to be super competitive, but no, he instead decided to take away someone’s fun. Public matches have been so infested by overly serious players that it’s come to the point where we can’t even use our emotes in a friendly way anymore, even though that was the original intent of the emotes. Public matches should be for laid back, goofy, enjoyable matches, while ranked and tournaments can be the ultra competitive matches. We need to bring fun back to gaming, even if that means letting casual players, like myself, have fun too without shitting on them.

[@try9449]

i was doing the same thing as you near the end of remix and i came across alot of people that were also chilling at that location but really if someone kills you its not that big of a deal you can always go next ive also been playing passive in the new og mode just building stuff with the higher material cap being back

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

Sbmm should never exist in pubs imo, or at least not STRONG sbmm, the only ones "negativily" effected are the defaults and casuals and im by no means a sweat. And even then sometimes casuals get a good lobby. But thats how it used to always be Getting a win used to feel so rewarding, used to be so rare, used to make you want to improve

[@NBAdux]

If fortnite didn't have such a high skill ceiling I'd agree with no SBMM. Unfortunately though the skill difference between your average person who only plays on the weekend and someone who plays multiple hours everyday is day and night.

[@I--benn--I]

@@NBAdux I saw someone on Twitter argue that it should be in Builds but shouldn't be in Zero Build and that makes alot of sense because of the far smaller skill gap of Zero Build.

[@MinetestSore12]

@@NBAduxI can see the point, but bro, I played on the day it released, and it was literally the most fun I’ve had since I realized it was real players. I was laughing, and enjoying my time. IT was because of me goin against people of any skill level that made me WANT to get better than I was the day before, just so I could have a chance. If I could relive that, I would, and that was the feeling I was getting before. Honestly, imo you can’t know if you stagnate or not if you are constantly put against others in SBMM. You never feel like you improve, even if you do, and it demotivated me from advancing that much. However, when OG returned a couple days ago, I, like mentioned before, LOVED the feeling of getting absolutely demolished. It made me realize just how far behind I was, and sparked that urge I had in the past to get better! I understand the points with Bots and SBMM, but I feel like those who want bots should have their own mode with SBMM as well, so it evens out a bit.

[@Ryandude5678]

Back in Season X, Epic literally said that they were working on a vs. Bot mode. Why not just remove Bots and maybe even SBMM from the core modes and then add that for the people that want it? Literally everyone wins then. You could even have settings to customise the experience such as difficulty settings for the bots. Because the current ones are...poorly programmed. I really hope that Epic listens to the community this time man. They ignored us once with SBMM back in the day, I refuse to believe they'll do it again with all the backlash going on. But we'll see.

[@Capable_Cobblestone]

@Ryandude5678 wdym remove sbmm? So we should go against people 10x worse than us AND sweats 10x better than us?

[@noahnat609]

@Hoodie_Hoodieryes

[@Ryandude5678]

@Hoodie_Hoodier Lobbies with a mix of all skill levels is ten times more fun than having a feature that only benefits brand new players. I'm a casual who is far from the best and the first 24 hours of OG was the most fun I've had since Chapter 2. That's how it was back in the day, that's how it should be now. SBMM has been a flawed system since Day 1. It's inconsistent and rarely works as it should. I'm almost constantly paired with people five times my skill level whereas the first 24 hours of OG was the most balanced and fun this game has felt for me in half a decade. If you want bots and want to play casually without stress, make them their own mode like Epic literally said they would. There's no reason they should be in pubs filling up the lobbies.

[@KJC101]

I've got a ton of scrambled topic points here but one issue some of my "not-so-great" friends run into is that they constantly encounter people that completely dunk on them. At a certain point it genuinely isn't fun for them especially when they aren't even allotted the time to learn what any of the items do. I will say, my "not-so-great" friends do need to listen more to the advice given to them by players like me but the thing is, they aren't invested in "getting good" they just enjoy the gameplay loop when they are allowed to experience it. When I play with them and I see a bot I'll go "oh those are just bots" and I'll ignore them but they'll go and fight them anyway because that's valuable engagement for them. I think the bots just allow them to experience more of the game rather than running into high-skill level players that remove their ability to play altogether. Some people do have fun just playing against bots because then they can actually PLAY the game without being sent back to the lobby instantly. While I am annoyed by the amount of bot interactions I will say that I understand the purpose of bots and their inclusion. Those that are saying "there are other modes that they can play" isn't helping and sounds more like passive-aggressive gatekeeping. If that's the experience they like and bots allow them to actually play that experience then there shouldn't be a problem as long as there is an option where players that don't want bots can play without bots. Save The World, CoD Zombies, Single-player Narrative-Driven games,etc. are not the same format and are different experiences altogether. While I can see the joke in this I want to address those that seriously do not understand the difference. The Battle Royale format is comprised of looting/scavenging for equipment around the landscape, traveling/surviving through shrinking zones and eliminating enemies to be the last player(s) standing (generally, there are other variables that can be involved). There is a thrill in that gameplay loop that isn't exactly replicated in other games and even if that experience is replicated elsewhere there is a certain charm about Fortnite's Battle Royale that is distinct. In simple words, the reason they don't play other stuff is because "it's not the same." Another issue is that the bots are so obvious to us seasoned players. Epic should raise the difficulty of the bots so that it's less noticeable to us. To newer/less seasoned players recognizing a bot is impossible so if Epic could just bridge the gap between what a bot is capable of in-game then there might be less of an issue here. The seasoned players would have to put in more work to fight the bots that they encounter. Adding context sensitive difficulty settings for bots would make them less noticeable as bots. And I'm not saying to just let bots read inputs and act accordingly, I'm saying improve their pathfinding, aim tracking, introduce random actions for less obvious coordination, etc. Just values and parameters that make the bots less obvious and more engaging. There should also be more stats taken into consideration when it comes to SBMM. Stats like average accuracy percentage, item switch intervals during engagement, average editing speed, etc. Sure, that's a lot of values and variables to consider for a more complex system but the goal to reduce the skill gap "could" be addressed this way. In addition, I've seen some people say "well if you don't like bots just play ranked and unfortunately I'd have to agree under certain conditions. If public matches, ranked and competitive were three separate modes with three (ideally more, five would be a good compromise) separate levels of bot allocation and SBMM stat variables (number of stats to consider) and general SBMM influence then that too could potentially address the issue. Players that want more interaction between players of similar skill level in matches with minimal to no bots could play ranked, players that want to push their skills to the limit with no bots at all can play competitive and people that just want to play casually can play in public matches where it's more likely to encounter bots. Better yet, just introduce and define a casuals match-making system to play with others that want an abundance of bots. Side-note. I think the sentiment that SBMM being bad in all games is a bit misguided. While the execution of SBMM can be heavily flawed the intention is to place players in lobbies of similar skill sets and reduce the skill gap between players for a more consistent engagement experience. If you don't like entering a match with 50+ bots SBMM is intended to address that. The system is flawed and it's not always going to be perfect but that intention is a good reason for it to be implemented. Also the take that "It makes an illusion that you can never get better" is a logical error. If you could never get better why would SBMM decide that you were skillful enough to be placed in a lobby with players that are also quite skillful? I will say that SBMM performs recalculations far too often and should only really happen once a month unless there are signs of steep performance peaks/valleys. Anyway, there shouldn't be a black or white answer to a problem with millions of unique variables. Options are a great thing to have, this bot issue isn't the end of the world and it can be addressed with balance and iteration, we just need to work together to find that balance. People shouldn't outright shutdown each other's arguments and instead work towards a common ground. A little bit of compromise on all sides shouldn't be this hard to achieve. By the way, I'm coming from a place that's not just that of a player but also that of a game designer. I'm referencing the fundamentals of other games that include PvP and PvE aspects and presenting ideas that could address the concern of the players without directly isolating certain groups of players to the best of my ability. I know most players won't share this perspective of iterative systemic improvement and that's okay but I do believe issues like this should addressed carefully and strategically for the best results. And me saying that my perspective is that of a game designer does not mean that "I'm right and you're wrong because of my field of study/profession" I'm merely stating that my perspective is from a different angle and I'm considering an alternate viewpoint. ALSO ALSO... make 200 player lobbies a thing already, these maps are too big lol

[@HeWhoFinesses]

If you’re losing 20 games in a row while trying to vibe while playing is not fun. Mind you I’ve been playing since 2017 and prefer to actually play without dying 20 secs in. That’s not fun at all.

[@SimonCap]

Like he said land on the outskirts of the map or come up with strategies

[@yoyoyoyoyoyo6]

then your not good enough to hot drop? If you can’t kill real people in a kids game maybe play something else ? Instead of “ oh I can’t kill real players let’s put fake ai to make myself feel better” embarrassing congrats the modes 40% ai now

[@HeWhoFinesses]

@@yoyoyoyoyoyo6 utter cringe.

[@contentbuffet4306]

@HeWhoFinesses this is exactly my mindset. First day of og was horrendous

[@contentbuffet4306]

Lucky they fixed it now omg

[@MCBgamily]

People just are never satisfied with anything now a days. The entitlement is real.

[@PastaaFN]

Ik it's disappointing to say the least. I just hope fortnite only takes feedback from people that are constructive because I and others want to have a say about how to make said thing better rather than complaining about og being sweaty like they can just play chapter 6 pubs instead of C1S1 map instead, plus ik most sweats would play C1S1 map again so this should have been on everyone's mind but no the fortnite community just got to act like a bunch of crybabies when they don't need to play C1S1 map and play in C6S1 map or play something else.

[@Bean1245-g]

No it’s just a bad change. Don’t add anymore bots in the game especially in a mode of a chapter which had no bots. Og before the bot addition felt rewarding whenever you got a win and it never felt anticlimactic. Now screw that because Epic just loves to add bots to every single mode in existence and it takes away 90% of the fun even though players are yelling at Epic to quit the bullcrap with the whole bot stuff. Yeah Og is already starting to be ruined

[@demonictatertot3376]

@@Bean1245-g if that's seriously what you consider ruined you are a joke. Just don't play if it's that much of a huge deal. Not everyone has the skill level to play against all real players. If your good you will get very few bots. If you want action simply land where everyone else is.

[@favianescobar2292]

​@@Bean1245-gu do realize not everyone was a beast in the beginning of ch1 right?? At least the bots represent that cycle

[@Bean1245-g]

@@demonictatertot3376 first of all, I said starting to get ruined. I never said it was ruined, but it’s getting closer to that because the lobbies just being 80% bots isn’t gonna fix the situation at all and bots is literally one of the main problems with modern Fortnite and Epic just won’t fix it for whatever reason. And I’d much rather kill a real player KNOWING it’s a real player than just fighting bots all the time to the end of the match where the last person is just a bot. It’s not fair and just boring. And the complete opposite of og.

[@Volt_Fortnite]

I went into a bot lobby yesterday but there were still real people in it so I don't think brand new accounts can get into full bot lobbies yet

[@Wheelchair29]

I finally won my first OG game 10 minutes ago in fill Squad I do wish that there was just have like a bot lobby & just real players lobby with no bots the only time I do bots lobby is to do quest & to hear the voice of the story quests so I won't die & miss what they say

[@earthwormsally5211]

Og is not for the new player that's not committed to the grind to catch up with the skill gap , epic brought a whole new audience with the new modes and if they go to og to see what it's all about then they will complain as its not made for them.

[@Eclipsce_]

Fortnite og almost fully coming back made me remember how hard and stratigic i had to be to land first 😂

[@bluejay_0571]

After watching this video I’m getting flashbacks to Chapter 1 when I wasn’t that good at the game and it was really difficult to get a win since the players were real people that were so good at the game and I had a friend who carried me back in Chapter 1 and told me the easiest way to get a win is by camping and waiting till the last few players left and we just had to kill them to get the win so I can understand why people doesn’t want SBMM nor bots in the OG mode cuz wins felt more rewarding in real players lobbies rather than bot lobbies which makes wins too easy to get and don’t feel that rewarding compared to winning in a match full of real players which it make feel like a challenge and the win you get is a reward for winning that challenge

[@hondaaccord1399]

For us middle-skill players, Fortnite's current matchmaking is hell. We're in lobbies of people like me and my friends and older family members who are just pretty good, maybe we can ramp over, maybe we box up/shield on attacks, but we also end up running into wannabe competitive beasts (I say this because they make a few big mistakes but are otherwise total sweepers) that make popular drops, match objectives, and sometimes just plain landing at a POI a complete slog. We aren't interested in getting challenged ad nauseum, we're just depressed when we perform well early in the night and then spend the rest of it suffering in lobbies with piece-takers, speed editors, etc. Clen, while you and your friends like Jojo and Klarque and Dag aren't exactly championship winners, you boys are far better gamers than most of us, and therefore have a bit of a cushy seat to take when you talk about the matchmaking being fine.

[@Lizard_of_Linux_Lane]

I think experiencing the non-bot lobbies could definitely change the mind of some players, whether they are for or against bots in lobbies.

[@notafrogMC]

I started playing in season 2 and didn't get my first solo win until season 7. And fortnite was my favourite game all that time. It's so weird to me that people can't have fun when losing anymore.

[@Clen-]

I'm with you man. Losing over and over makes that win so rewarding.

[@denhawken]

Lol people complained about bots.. got real players now complain about that Sbmm is a joke. Get rid of that

[@gamerbeast3616]

needs to be in the game

[@brandonstarstorm3289]

I've played Fortnite since Chapter 1 Season 4 all the way to Season X and recently came back to the game during Chapter 5 Season 2. I personally think there should be bot lobbies for people who want them, but also have all player lobbies for people who want those as well. Since battle passes are limited time, there's always stress to get those done before that season is over (even now when some battle pass cosmetics could return) and dropping into a match and dying off spawn 20 times wastes a bunch of time and yields no XP. That's especially stressful for people who don't have as much time to play as other people and just want to complete the pass before it's gone.

[@Clen-]

Completely understandable. That sounds fair to me!

[@Legoman11]

actually they made it so now when you try to have a bot lobby it only has a max of 90 bots and 10 real players which sucks for people who want bot lobbies for challanges.

[@realCosmicCuriosity]

I've barely seen any support for bots/sbmm which makes me know for a fact the majority of players don't want it, so I don't know why Epic thinks it's fine for the majority to suffer because of the minority. Why can't Epic just have a separate mode for bots/sbmm instead of alienating the majority of their player base?

[@notafrogMC]

I don't want to have to play a sweaty ranked mode just to play against humans in a pvp game.

[@cxwraider]

SBMM makes the game more fun, idrc abt bots.

[@Junebu99ie]

I’m all for having a full bot lobby IF you load in with an alt account used to get into those lobbies, and normal matches should have zero bots.

[@TYTWitch]

10:56 to summarize the reason why sweats ruin the whole experience is because back in 2017 people took a moment to look at the environment people took the moment to actually have fun and mess around. I miss those type of days in Fortnite. But the days that we have, nobody has fun anymore No one takes a moment to look at the map and look at its little secrets or it’s hidden Easter eggs people focus on sweating all day. It ruins the whole experience for old and new players that just want to revenue on the OG aesthetic. Edit: and to further prove my evidence notice that the player count changed from 1.1 million players to 800,000 players, sure 800,000 is still a lot, but that really says something from the community do you really think having sweats in Fortnite is really benefiting the new players? I clearly don’t think so or is really the case because there’s more toxic players more than ever in these games now and it’s practically impossible to play Fortnite. We can quite frankly blame the pandemic back in 2020 if that never happened maybe people wouldn’t be so sweaty and toxic all the time.

[@MaxMax-ok1ek]

I remember when i won a blue 1st place ribbon in a sport with my friend, because we would practice at recess every day until the competition started

[@Cabinet790]

How to please everyone: introduce ranked (which is coming soon), and keep SBMM & bots in pubs how people are used to in Fortnite now. BUT to appease everyone else looking for more authenticity to Chapter 1: OG Build Mechanics Mode: No SBMM, No bots, no turbo build, no edit on release, no sprinting, no mantling, & no sliding. Preferably also add old running animations and health bar. This will end the SBMM & bots argument and people who want to go against good and bad players can get that experience. Even though some of these features were added in Chapter 1, to keep modern building mechanics out of the picture, do not return turbo build and other features in later seasons

[@soulzzzzx]

OG was way better before skill based matchmaking and bots. I was wondering why it was so different and this was a dumb change

[@helpivebeenvaulted1861]

Clen is one of the few that constantly speaks facts on just about every topic

[@lightwolf1664]

I find my self somewhere in the middle, I can be a try hard at times or a causal. (If that makes since) the first day OG came I fought so hard to win that way I can just relax and have fun without worrying about winning later on, there were a couple of match were I was close to win but did not succeed. When I tried the next day when the bots were added I was able to get a win. Though I was happy about it didn’t feel as awarding. I wished I could’ve done on day one but at same time I didn’t want to lose my mind lol.

[@Poetic9]

I always thought bots were there to make matchmaking fast. it's because they don't have 100 real players for every game, so they search, then just start it each game with a bunch of bots.

[@Clen-]

There's no way. It has to be for bad players.

[@user-cp3ou6je1q]

I think people say they want things but if theirs a on/off button you'll just end up with pubs like ranked because the bottom players in the normal matckmaking will turn bots on you'll end up playing against the to 60% of the player base personally i just play ranked in reload and battle royal but player/streamers make up excuses not to play against similar skilled players, ranked is the exact same game with with better players and without all the things that streamers complain about in pubs

[@jamesmata4579]

I only like playing bot lobbies when I need to do a story quest or do something really specific to get XP. Otherwise it’s not fun to win against bots.

[@thefusionspider09]

Only reason I played bot lobbies for the XP. That’s the only reason

[@QuinnfuryYT]

I mainly play against players in BR , but I do bot lobbies every once in a while to complete quests. Honestly make a separate bot lobby mode and take the bots out of all of the other PVP modes. That's my opinion on it.

[@taylorkirk694]

Players divided as usual lol

[@Eyelashesbug]

I believe that the biggest problem with Fortnite in general. Instead of trying to understand to other sides of the situation people call you names and overall being rude. I think that why this situation happen causals players complaining about sweats and asking for sbmm and bots to be in og because they can’t enjoy the full og experience (while asking for og movement and hud back). Causing epic to add them. It really sucks that bots are in og but this is what the 60% community wanted then so be it

[@jackdobrowolsky]

I think the issue is that everyone isn’t prepared for how chapter 1 is

[@alishastorm6222]

While I agree there should be options, I use FN tracker to take a look when we lose on occasion and 90% of the time we are losing to people with 3-4x the play time we have…. In seasons and that’s with bots and SBMM and OG has been miserable…. We might get 5-10 wins on a normal season with 40 hours of play time. These people who have 200+ hours of playtime beating us gets old. Even with bots the final 10-20 people are almost always real players in our lobbies. Us players who get to sit down for a few hours on the weekend most seasons do want to be able to enjoy the game to we do have lives outside of FN.

[@Whiskers--5]

The thing is you don’t deserve 5-10 wins with only 40 hrs of gameplay. I get that 40 is a lot, but forty over the course of three months isn’t. Like most peopel say, they didn’t get a single win until a YEAR of playing.

[@OmegaQuiet]

In my opinion I feel like fortnite should just get rid of bots and skill based matchmaking. I usually get destroyed by like 80% of the players and playing 1 day of OG was more fun for me than playing a year of CH5 because there was no skill based matchmaking (Btw something I wanted to share was that I found a real default)

[@rubenlohata5263]

gojo speaking facts rn

[@Gobknoblin]

Honestly, I truly think that if they wanted to please the disappointed fans who were excited for OG, they could just remove/revert a few things from BUILDS specifically. Like, remove bots and SBMM, disable turbo building, and revert the movement back to the OG animations, maybe keep sliding and mantling just for SOME QOL updates for it. Keep the current movement in Zero Build for people who would rather play that(maybe buff tac-sprint a bit so you aren't out of stamina after 5 seconds since it's such an open map). These are just some of my suggestions. I'm enjoying OG. Bots or not, as frustrating as it was to die over and over again against sweats, I would just say to myself "This is how it used to be" and laugh about it. Back then, things were much slower and relaxed. It would be impossible for them to 1 for 1 replicate that feel with the current state of Fortnite. I've been trying to challenge myself and win with just revolvers and sometimes double pump(I always felt the revolver was underrated). I've been LOVING this season of Fortnite as a whole so far

[@FamilyGuyFAN44YT]

If they can enable bot lobbies for og for people that wanna do quests idrc if they remove them from regular pubs.

[@TYTWitch]

It’s actually kind of crazy how they had skill based matchmaking after three days I wonder why *Cough cough* Sweats *Cough cough*

[@NitroStorm07]

even with bots, i still suck, sometimes i dont even get a win for an entire season or two. So i dont mind about if there are bots or no bots. I don't need wins tho

[@SushiBandz]

With the SBMM side of things, I say it's necessary in today's gaming player base. Everyone one wants to be the best of the best, whether there trying to become a streamer, kill their favorite streamer for a clip, playing for money, etc. Since everyone's like that now, everyone is also watching guides for the best ways to cheese a way into a win. If we can get rid of the cheese and meta gaming culture, then yess SBMM can go too. But until then SBMM makes a lot of sense in the gaming space.

[@fundifferus5423]

I like Bot Lobbies because they let me relax and practice aiming, let me check things on my phone or do stuff other than fortnite if needed, and get quests done. It's a good destressor. Like Havoc Hotel 3.

[@afroshinobi223]

But again this is a pvp game without the real people then just play Minecraft?

[@DaddyDubski]

@@fundifferus5423 They have a game mode for that, and it's called Chapter 6

[@demonictatertot3376]

​@@afroshinobi223that isnt how that works. Bots help those who CANNOT reach the level of efficiency as sweats or they wqnt a more casual game. Fortnite wasn't always this sweaty. The bots make it feel like it isn't as sweaty as it actually is. Not everyone has the time nor wqnt to learn to be sweaty.

[@afroshinobi223]

@@demonictatertot3376 ok I get it but at the same time how when I look for real players I find 13 bots and all of a sudden I get a real player it’s stupid I get more boys then actual real players it cheapens wins and it doesn’t make me want to win at all

[@goldenninja9053]

​@@afroshinobi223Ah yes, the more casual battle royale..."Minecraft." I get what you tried to say, but it sounds like you want to compare it to Fortnite, which are NOT the same lol.

[@iiTzDark]

As someone who uses Bot Lobbies more than actual games, I can say Personally I only use Bot Lobbies for a chill laid-back XP/Challenge matches. The more bot kills I can get while doing something else not having to worry about other players but braindead bots. When playing with friends we do run both Bot and Normal lobbies. When OG came out and we found out it didn't have bots in it felt more satisfying, getting a Win for sure and the thrill of always being paranoid we were gonna get sniped at any moment and end game circles was the best feeling ive gotten since Chapter 1

[@sayedsadman803]

Those who like to play with bots then go play story mods games

[@qsperney36]

When ranked OG comes, nobody will even care about bots.

[@Klippik]

My only complaint was the lack of weapons and shields

[@turtleperson3538]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I suck at a game then let me. I can always get better. Don't stick bots into a game just because I lose every match. If bots HAVE to be in every single pvp mode then can Epic at the very least make them semi-believable? This is the same company responsible for Unreal Tournament '04, a game known for it's realistic bot AI.

[@lbozo9222]

Im divisive on this. I think bots SHOULD stay in chapter 6 if only for the health of the game. Bots are probably the best retainers of new and current players, the problem with a lot of multiplayer games is the skill ceiling after release. Not everyone has the time to dedicate to getting better. Its not about being unable to be a worse player, but its more so the punishing feeling of being unable to progress at all in a match as you are constantly dying over and over in the beginning of a match. yes there was ways to adapt around the skill ceiling in chapter 1 but the skill ceiling is much higher that a lot of attempts at hiding in a bush or attempting a different strat just wont work. It is an undeniable fact that bots are the best thing for the longevity of the game, im sure epic has the information and data to ascertain that. But for Chapter 1 OG i think not having bots, or as minimal amount of bots as possible (maybe like 10?) is preferred. I wish we could have that for OG at the very least. It would be great just for the community imo.

[@CerezaSunshyne]

My issue with the “everybody was a bot” take is that you’re no longer a bot. I’m not a bot. I’m not struggling to eliminate“bot” players like I would have back then. Facing actual players makes me better at the game. I have to use my brain and strategize against real players, not AI.

[@Clen-]

Well said

[@TiItedTowers]

One thing that i still dont understand is why Epic didn't use the original Season 1 TODM. There is a map (Mapcode: 2036-0111-5316) that looks 100 times better than the OG mode created by Epic itself.

[@chancedream1583]

It's Because Epic is on a new game engine, they can't exactly make the graphics how they were back in 2018. It still is a close enough recreation of the old map though with the old fog around the map like how it was back then

[@midasgaming8441]

Does anyone feel like epic planned for this exact reaction because they added bot lobbies in the files?

[@marklipierfan123lipier3]

People was talking about how sweaty it was in OG Fortnite 😂

[@sonicjhiq]

skill based match making was needed and it should be up to 5% of bots, no more bots than that

[@sonicjhiq]

also skill based matching keeps players playing a game (can't remember which one) did an experiment where half the players had skill based matching and the other half didn't and the players who didn't have sbmm left sooner and came back less often

[@sonicjhiq]

also bots need to be reduced in all modes I was playing squads earlier today in chapter 6 and my team got 51 kills, sure I'm bad at the game but jeez I think only 3 teams including my team were real

[@Whiskers--5]

15:00 yea my everything is messed up. Sometimes I’ll lock in, and drop high kill games, but other times I’m just chilling. Also my build SBMM is so wrong. I am NOT that good I GARUNTEE YOU PLEASE I BEG put me against people who don’t sprint AND build at the same time. I can do one or another, not both. No bots though, bots don’t help anyone get good

[@TheSupporter76]

I am indifferent to the idea, however I do enjoy seeing bots in game mainly it makes the early game enjoyable, in a sense of watching the poor things when they naively corral themselves up on geometry.

[@BriteNova]

With the stw argument it seems kinda counter intuitive to tell players of a free game to spend about 20 bucks for a PvE that gets little to no updates anymore. I advocate heavily for skill based matchmaking without bots so you're naturally building skill to keep up with the people in your lobby. If anything that'd solve the issue both camps are having. Don't wanna try hard? SBMM makes sure you're in chiller lobbies. Wanna Sweat? SBMM makes sure you're in higher level lobbies like it's not a bad thing but epic hasn't perfected it yet and bots don't help that. Bots feel more like a band-aid to hide their less than stellar way of determining skill

[@slyguy6710]

As someone who has played since chapter1 season 3 I am always pro bots while I understand people who find it not fun or demeaning to kill a bot instead of a real player and that not being fun for them the problem is fun like most things is subjective for my case I like to turn my brain on low settings and just get some kills wins grind challenges ect I get a dopeimei. From running through a big pile of ammo cracking shields ect that to me is fun

[@gamerbeast3616]

skill based matchmaking/bots needs to be in the game that you dont think it needs it its crazy if they dont have it pepole will quit the game if they keep dying it wont be fun in the end

[@Dogccy]

I remember playing as thanos on my dads PlayStation on chapter 1 it was so cool i think sbmm is fine but bots i dont want

[@Clen-]

It was such a fun mode eh 😂

[@Dogccy]

@@Clen- playing as thanos blew my 7 year old mind also I whipped out 2 squads by myself today and I play on switch

[@ARHAANTALWAAR]

People who are crying for bots don't want to gain any skill in the game and just want to believe that they are good at the game when they aren't and why to have bots fortnite is a game meant to be played with real people and especially in the ch1 mode bots shouldn't be there

[@alishastorm6222]

Correct I want to play the game to have fun with my friends who live hours or even across the country. Spending 3/4 the time loading in and out of lobby is not all that fun. When you can only play 3 or 4 hours a week and you constantly get killed off spawn even out in the middle of nowhere by players with 3x the amount of playtime each season it gets old quick. Some people don’t have the time to do that but still want to enjoy what Fortnite has to offer. Not even winning but at least not getting killed within 1 minute of landing. My game takes longer to load into a lobby than that.

[@alishastorm6222]

To add I understand that I suck at the game. My playtime availability is a big factor to that. Having something to balance the scales is great for those of us who can’t dedicate the crazy amount of time others can to be that good.

[@ARHAANTALWAAR]

@alishastorm6222 i don't think every game is like that or it's just you don't know how to land that's why I am saying it requires skill and makes everything fun and makes the spots you choose on the map to land with more strategy I don't think every game is like that until you think you are the best and that's what bots have taught people that they are good player when they aren't and nothing bad for you but I think for an og mode you can't complain for bots because br still doesn't have it

[@ARHAANTALWAAR]

@@alishastorm6222 you don't have to be a good player to have fun you should just land in a better way or at another poi this will make the experience better

[@alishastorm6222]

@ARHAANTALWAAR even landing at unnamed locations out on the edge of the map in the middle of nowhere doesn’t help for OG unfortunately…. We still get hunted down and sniped from 200m by everyone then before we have a chance to even get anything….. like I said I don’t even care about winning every game or anything along those lines

[@keithg222]

I got my win today lol they can turn the bots off and let people sweat I’m sticking to chapter 6 until ch 1 season 2-10

[@RikkiTechThomas]

We just need input based matchmaking.

[@Sk8l8ton]

Simply OG Ranked needs to be added

[@notafrogMC]

I personally think the perfect way to handle this is to remove turbo building and maybe add an edit cooldown to public lobbies and have og movement in og and ranked og be left as it is now. I always thought fighting people in forts was way cooler than the mess of building now so people who also like that concept get to actually play a game like that. I think epic should really try to please both sides of the community with this because they always stick to one side or the other depending on the thing and just leave the game unfun to half the player base it seems like.

[@PandyThePandy]

No turning off turbo building will also get players mad. There's no way pleasing both the community. Epic just has to choose one or the other

[@NBAdux]

That's literally a significantly worse change than this.

[@notafrogMC]

@@NBAdux how? ranked could have new mechanics or there could just be a toggle for old and new mechanics for both ranked and normal.

[@ThatBackroomsFan]

I’m permanently switching to Zero Build OG because of the first day. I could not survive a minute in build mode, and even with SBMM in now, I’m getting triple edited, boxed and 200 pumped when I struggle to edit a stair. Theres no feeling of success of killing that player when that player is a thousand times better than you. It’s not fun. Keeping the “just deal with it” mentality is only going to lose players, ya know, the thing that keeps the game alive. Bots are few and far between in matches, I don’t know why that’s such a big deal to you, especially when a majority of players are in high SBMM for OG and In that you can get a max of 10 bots in your match.

[@MicahIsBatman2]

I don’t think OG needs bots but SBMM needs to stay. OG was nearly unplayable for the first day because of how many sweats there were, but with SBMM you get matched with players on your skill level making fights fair. It wasn’t fun to lose when the fights felt unwinnable, but with SBMM it’s fun to fight even if I lose.

[@benmarley3086]

I think they should keep SBMM until ranked comes out

[@durrpeepig6819]

I don't think they should have added bots and skill base matchmaking it made the game feel exiting again and eliminating players felt so much more rewarding

[@Browncoat7969]

I absolutely hate this change in OG. Instead of bots, they shouldn't have added a system where the amount of kills you get puts you to a hard match with skilled players. But if you start losing, you get put in an easier match where you fight against less skilled players without the fear of sweats trying to get a 20 bomb in a match. That is what Epic HQ shouldn't have done, in my opinion.

[@TheSpiceMoth]

I just need bot lobbies for completing quests on og and get the umbrella. All i want

[@Clen-]

I think that option should be available for you!

[@try9449]

i think the umbrellas should be exclusive to wins against real players, everybody talks about how scary it was to see someone with og john wick or a season one victory umbrella lets bring that stuff back and let people flex

[@ryanfares263]

Guys Christmas is coming Fortnite are adding Ballistic and Lego job modes and OG is already back permanently in the game finally plus ch6 in BR has been there since December 1st and WinterFest is coming this is just so good and we are gonna have tons of content to mess around with over Fortnite's Christmas break Fortnite are adding so much this December and they added the Marvel Rivals collab

[@ZombiePig2004]

Did epic go and add more Shields to OG because I got 3 shields from small houses on the map not gonna lie I liked having very little shield

[@leerage_tf5884]

If your in the higher tier though it doesn’t make much of a difference I still have plenty of sweats in my lobbies

[@richardhernandez4529]

I like to play with bots, i use my switch to activate bot lobby. The reason why I like Bots lobby is that it give me sometime to finish quest and also do the story in peace. Another reason is that It helps me to boost my confidence up in playing against a player, yeah I may lose but at least i am not as scared than before but also helps me be motivated to go out there again. I want to play the game as a way to chill and explore the map rather than rushing it and if I do then I would want to see myself on how many kills I can get, i think it as setting a personal high score. Also to rack up some Exps as I level up my battle pass. Its been a big life savior for my time Last season I got a score of 46 kills in a bot lobby. Yeah its not real, but I had fun and thats whats important for everyone, is to have fun. ^^

[@babby_puppy]

I'm not good at the game and is why I've moved to stw, I only hop on br to do a couple bot lobbies on my alt for xp. So I haven't been fighting real players for a long while now, I just wish there was an easier option to get full 100% bot lobbies rather than making a whole new account. I stick to Fortnite for a few reasons, like playing with friends in br or stw, I like to see what combos I can make with outfits, cool design, and one thing some people can relate to is spending too much money on the game to just "leave" it. I can see why eliminating a real player would be such much more rewarding though. Also Sbmm sucks

[@rubenlohata5263]

even thought ranked is coming idk why there are so many bots

[@albi6436]

They should remove bots,add ranked to og,and thats it

[@joshiavila8679]

Although the gamemode was super sweaty at launch, i think epic should of just added skill based matchmaking and not add bots. Bots were a bad move

[@Clen-]

At least most people can agree on bots lol

[@MrUncharted12]

@2:40 Tbh they're just kids and teens who want attention. Also it's the internet where people can say what they want without irl consequence.

[@rjwilkie9382]

In my own personal opinion. Getting destroyed every 5 seconds is pretty boring to me. That way I play Is Botz. Only lobby.

[@antishota]

Despite getting crapped on by mini bughas, i would rather face those than bots. I have been playing this game since season x and i have gone literal seasons without a single win. It's annoying and it sucks, but everytime i win or kill a real player(if they're good), i feel extremely accomplished considering my irl situation(only allowed to play on weekend cuz they want me to do well in school). I only have around 400 total hrs of fortnite ever but i know that by far, no bots will be the better options. I would rather play in terrible sbmm than play against bots even once. And i swear, the ppl who say bots are there cuz of too many sweats are the type of ppl who do not have a coach able attitude if that makes sense. They either are decent but keep getting put down or they just are mediocre overall. Anyway, i have to stop talking now, bots r just annoying ngl.

[@Clen-]

This is so based lol

[@CerezaSunshyne]

OH MY GOD. I DIDNT EXPECT TO HEAR MY NAMEEE

[@Clen-]

WWWWWW thanks for the reply for the video!

[@juul2021]

i got 1 win in OG before bots were added shi was littt

[@ErykRoll]

Just get rid of the bots and sbmm, that’s how it was back then and if they can’t adapt to it, then they still have the regular chapter 6 map with bots 😂🙏🏻

[@acfrancis2118]

I think bot lobbies are for people who grind levels or want to explore the map without getting grief imo

[@Clen-]

Nothing wrong with that!

[@kingfoxight5181]

i am personally a Bot Lobby person and my reason is; im just trying to enjoy a game and when i get in a fight with a sweat it really just discourages me from playing. Especially since I play on Nintendo Switch so my ping is usually really high. Bots give me a chance to feel like im actually doing something instead of just being another piece of fodder for the sweat hoard.

[@aoiasahinashusband]

Fortnite is a PVP game. you aren't accomplish anything playing against robots. get good or go play Minecraft or something instead of crying because people are better than you.

[@B3ARED]

You're playing on a nintendo switch in a battle royal with other platforms. You are supposed to be fodder. Get good, play on a better system, or be okay with being shit ass at the game.

[@Dogccy]

I'm on switch and use simple edits which made me better at editing so I suggested you use it

[@coolcat8771]

bots and skill based match makeing should only be in the new chapters

[@mrmcfunibats3423]

I think bots should be removed and SBMM should stay. It makes things more fair and enjoyable. SBMM is smth tbf every game should have.

[@brenden6290]

the real problem with fortnite is allowing pc players into console players lobbies. even if you turn off cross play you can only play solos and it takes about 30-45 mins to get into a game.

[@Clen-]

I don't see an issue with that tbh. Controller players (I'm one) are very capable.

[@BlakeGuterriez]

Do not bring box it will ruin the community and plus it will be average about 300k people would be playing OG fortnite because boss weren't weren't even added until season 1 that would ruin the game and plus do not add it