The Panel CRASH OUT Over Tim Duncan Debate... AGAIN!

[@t12-z7h]

You have no idea how good Tim Duncan was!

[@lilmoody007]

😭😭😭😭

[@cjthompson3447]

The Kobe disrespect is insane

[@LakeShow-2481]

Ron was spot on when he said he’s the most hated superstar of all time. Everyone that didnt grow up a Kobe fan hates him with a passion it’s the weirdest shit.

[@DanteGoldz]

That's all this channel does. Constantly disrespect Steph & Kobe.

[@DanteGoldz]

@@LakeShow-2481they all Bron Stan's.

[@YoungShadTv]

Y'all overrate him

[@jaybowman696]

Kobe was the best player this panel lost their dam mind.😂😂😂

[@GFMSancho436]

In the 2002-2003 NBA season, Tim Duncan had an MVP-caliber year for the San Antonio Spurs, leading them to an NBA Championship. Here are his key stats for that season: • Games Played: 81 • Points Per Game (PPG): 23.3 •Rebounds Per Game (RPG): 12.9 • Assists Per Game (APG): 3.9 • Blocks Per Game (BPG): 2.9 • Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 51.3% • Free Throw Percentage (FT%): 71.0% Playoffs: In the 2003 NBA Playoffs, Duncan elevated his performance, averaging: • Points Per Game: 24.7 • Rebounds Per Game: 15.4 • Assists Per Game: 5.3 • Blocks Per Game: 3.3 Tim Duncan’s dominance culminated in him being named the NBA Finals MVP as he led the Spurs to victory over the New Jersey Nets. His incredible two-way play and consistency solidified his status as the best player in the league that year. Damn Tim was better in 2003

[@maliikwright1666]

Garnett might clear bro avg more points, ast, and reb in the playoffs and reg season on similar efficency just had a terrible team around him

[@dariusshuler9510]

This ChatGPT ass response

[@TheIcemanthomas]

He also had zero restrictions so his numbers could be more inflated compared to Duncan in an actual system and playing next to robinson

[@maliikwright1666]

@@TheIcemanthomas that maybe true as well, that's why I said garnett "might" clear, but the advance stats like on/off box score and vorp favor garnett as well but it's still debatable in my opinion

[@Dgotitmade]

The same year where kobe was putting up 30 and carrying the lakers without shaq when he was injured

[@brantonsims4636]

The disrespect Kobe gets is sad man. For anybody who was actually watching basketball at that time to say Kobe was NEVER definitively the best player in the league just clearly doesn’t like Kobe. Wade had an amazing run in 06, he WAS NOT a better player than Kobe. Dirk was a monster in 07. He WAS NOT a better player than Kobe.

[@brycea.2396]

Just because you’re the most popular/influential player in the league doesn’t mean you’re the best.

[@twizzy585ots]

Love kobe but it wasn't sealed....the others had arguments even if I would take kobe

[@brantonsims4636]

@ I agree with you. In those two years I didn’t see a player that was better at playing the game of basketball than Kobe Bryant. On both sides of the ball.

[@MikeLowrry]

05 - 11 I got Kobe ‼️‼️‼️

[@brantonsims4636]

@ who though? 06 Wade was legendary. He wasn’t the scorer or defender Kobe was. 07 Dirk was a problem. He was never a good defender (no knock or disrespect). Are there any other players in those two years to consider?

[@jays]

this shit is getting out of hand, NO ONE was saying dirk was better than kobe

[@penkima4923]

The MVP voters said Dirk was better for multiple seasons.

[@MOCskoden]

@@jays in 2004-05 and 2010-11 season, Dirk was absolutely a better player than Kobe Bryant

[@st0rmboi534]

Swipa kept saying to Marz to not bring up narratives and media talk yet continued to bring up mvp votes which is very much made of media talk and narratives

[@MOCskoden]

Here we go crashing out over Tim Duncan who was the best player in years like 2002, 2003 (hands down) and either 1999 or 2005 depending on how you view him… 2003 was definitely TIM DUNCAN’s year

[@Swipa_4]

Facts they tweaking

[@valleynation]

BIG FACTS

[@VictorW-nb9ry]

For sure 2003!! Everyone always mentions that year for Duncan’s peak 😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

I dont think it was definitive,the postseason run was atg but i dont think that means theres no discussion to be had ab who the best is/was. and i definitely dont agree in 99 or 05

[@Swipa_4]

@MarzTalksSportsI think 02-04 he was the best

[@SojiFro_0]

Kobe - Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history; eliminated a record 24 50 win teams vs Lebrons ~11, which is less than half. - Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era. - Oldest player to score 60+ - 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history - 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone) - Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard - Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard - 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won - Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG) - Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years - Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists - Carried Olympic team to a gold medal - 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat - Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat - 2x Finals MVP - 1x MVP - 2x Scoring Champ - 9x All-Defense First - 3x All-NBA Second - 18x NBA All Star Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history. On the list of highest 2nd half PPG in the playoffs from 89-2023, Kobe is on that list 3x. Averaged 17.3 in 01 (more than Shaq), 18.3 in 03, 17.3 in 08.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

Why yall kobe fans bringing up team accomplishments when Kobe was literally trash before Pau Gasol came there? There's even a case gasol should be finals mvp in 2010 but yall kobe fans will ignore his HORRENDOUS GAME 7s where he shoot 30% and call him clutch.

[@YoungShadTv]

😂😂​@@user-gc1wj8tt2p

[@ChelloTheKilla]

I didn’t know 2006 was debatable. Majority of the media and players said Kobe

[@atribecalledlen3567]

It’s not debatable people are just trying to rewrite history

[@ChelloTheKilla]

@ I agree that dirk deserves his respect but let’s be serious

[@Abel-yo9mf]

@@atribecalledlen3567straight up

[@akwesirobinson1710]

@@atribecalledlen3567no when wade crushed the team that locked Kobe up with a prime shaq while dwade with a old and banged up shaq that wasn’t prime dominanted them so it definitely was a argument he beat the same team with lest help and dominated the finals

[@MOCskoden]

@@ChelloTheKilla it should be Kobe at the top in 2006 but the mvp race and postseason outcomes just make it more complicated for casuals fans, and I say this as a Non-Kobe Stan

[@BIGOXMedia]

I’m getting really sick of this Kobe hate 🤬🤬🤬

[@jason15212]

I’m so tired of this revisionist history bullshit on these debates. NOBODY EVER had conversations about Wade or Dirk being better than Kobe at any point in time.

[@aquartermil]

NEVER LMAOOO people done forgot who the mamba was Man I swear

[@TheIcemanthomas]

That is not true. After the title they definerly was talks of wade being the best player in the league. It wasn’t a big group of people saying it but it did exist.

[@jason15212]

@ of course speaking the sense of majority there is always a small group of people saying something just like this idiotic take of Dirk being the best player exist.

[@atribecalledlen3567]

@@TheIcemanthomaskeyword it was a veryyyy small minority but most and majority of people were not

[@dceltics2461]

False..wade was better than kobe in 09 10 and arguably 06 as well

[@sogeking2454]

Kobe had a game where he outscored “the best player in the league” and the rest of his team through 3 quarters 😂

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

The logic is dumb because sometimes you peak at the same time other players peaked. if I peak during Lebrons Era, that doesnt mean i cant be top 10 all time. It jsut means there was a better top ten player playing at the same time as me lol

[@msnrocky6496]

Facts

[@cnoteda1and0nly]

This is why Chill is labeled a Kobe hater. He has never said Dirk was better than Kobe but now that someone else has, he jumps on that train lol.

[@nykareem2001]

He’s said it many times b4

[@cnoteda1and0nly]

@ “Many times” 🧢

[@darkmasage]

Swippa be trippin

[@brhyno926]

Kobe scored 81 and was a first team defensive selection, outscored the mavs by himself through three quarters. Mfs is tweaking

[@Suge8263]

See how people rewrite history. If you telling it wasn't a debate with KG and Duncan in 03 is nuts

[@BoB.._..]

Yup. You can tell who was there and who wasn’t

[@YoungShadTv]

Duncan played better when it mattered

[@BoB.._..]

@ I 100 percent agree. But there were debates back then

[@IRDCAF]

The Kobe hate is unnecessary. I’m convinced Players Choice just hates Kobe as a staff record label and crew

[@Chuckywb]

Marz start yelling & assume he right😂😂😂

[@nykareem2001]

Loud and wrong 😂😂😂😂😂

[@maleekpate6770]

He was correct tho

[@Chuckywb]

@@maleekpate6770 you literally got 100 comments just glazing mars, you don’t need to respond to every comment that mentions him wtf😭😂

[@maleekpate6770]

lol I mean I agree with him that’s not glazing 🤷🏾‍♂️😭

[@KwizMatix]

OG Buggin’!!! Tim Duncan was NEVER the hands down best player in the NBA in ANY year. Nobody has ever said that nor even debated that during any year Tim Duncan ever played.

[@jason15212]

There was never a time where Dirk was better than Kobe. From 2006-10 Kobe was the best player in the league definitively 06-09 and I would say 2010 he was the best player on the league but lebron was clearly in the conversation. 2011-18 Lebron was the definitive best player in the league definitively

[@akwesirobinson1710]

No it’s been bron sense 2009-2020 to keep it real and Kobe was never the definitively better bron in 2009 was better than Kobe in 2009 and 2008 bron and Kobe was around the same level and then bron leap frog him in 2009.2004 and 2005 kg was the best.bron 2009-2020.think about bron in 2008 took the Celtic in 7 with less help than Kobe and drop 45 while Kobe went out sad 2009-2020 and 2008 is arguably and 2006 wade was crazy dominant in the playoffs so it wade and he played with a old ass and banged up shaq. so 2007 was Kobe some what best player in the league without argument and dirk was their and bron carried his team to the finals. And 2019 he was playing like 2018 bron again just got hurt he was still better than khawi and bron showed it in 2020

[@penkima4923]

Kobe wasn't the best player on his own team in 2010, so Kobe probably wasn't the best player in the league.

[@ubereats3047]

Dirk carried a team to the finals and followed that up with an incredible MVP season. Stop trying to bring down Dirk of all people

[@jason15212]

@ Kobe wasn’t the best player on the lakers in 2010???! Dog wtf are you talking about?

[@akwesirobinson1710]

@@penkima4923I would say bron is better but you taking it too far Paul gasol is better no but bron was better in both 2009 and 2010 and 2008 bron and Kobe was equal and 2006 wade was crazy dominant 2007 was hi only argument of being the best definitively but bron took his team to the final and dirk

[@aquartermil]

Man yall disrespect bean so much over here it’s sad

[@chrisbartolini1508]

From 00-06, Duncan was a 2-time mvp, a runner up twice, and 2 top 5 finishes. This isn’t even a conversation.

[@RicRugerFlare]

Marz is right. In 06-08 everyone know Kobe was the best in the world. As a matter of fact, they asked NBA players during that time and majority said Kobe.

[@ubereats3047]

NBA players are commonly wrong. Watch 5 minutes of Rashad Mccants and tell me he knows what he’s talking about lol

[@RicRugerFlare]

@ “commonly wrong” is a stretch, and using McCants is laughable. I was alive, witnessed it, and was watching the NBA regularly. Dirk was nice, LeBron was phenomenal, Duncan was great, Nash was at his peak, and DWade was balling….but it was undeniable at that time Kobe was the best in the world.

[@ubereats3047]

@@RicRugerFlare Buddy you used NBA players’ opinions as fact. Yes NBA players are commonly wrong, there’s a lot of young players in the league today that don’t know how many teams there are in the league. I am not making that up brother they interviewed an entire draft class and a super majority didn’t know how many teams there are and I gotta take the words as gospel?

[@reginaldweaks6913]

Duncan clears Shaq defensively

[@cheff.marshal2496]

Prime Shaq? That's debatable

[@cheff.marshal2496]

Prime Shaq???

[@hiphophead4891]

Nah prime shaq and prime Duncan isn't a contest defensively. Tim did everything better on defense

[@MOCskoden]

@@cheff.marshal2496 Prime Shaq’s defense still doesn’t have any argument over Duncan’s defense… even Prime Duncan’s scoring also doesn’t have any argument over Shaq…

[@twizzy585ots]

​@cheff.marshal2496 not debatable at all

[@ankhboldcrain9954]

The issue is you can't say definitive and then pick and choose the criteria to fit your narrative, if Duncan was never definitively the best player Kobe was never definitively the best player, plain and simple. Also I find it hilarious that Kobe fans are so delusional that they decide that people saying Duncan wasn't definitively the best is completely fine but when people say Kobe wasn't definitively the best it's disrespect and blasphemy, they were the same caliber of player Kobe just had a more aesthetically pleasing game.

[@rknxtdoor]

Ron swear he know ball lol

[@antonginlack4884]

Bro I swearrrrrr ! Talking stupid as hell

[@sssloe]

Not sure about the states but growing up in late 90s and early 00s in Europe, was not even a debate who was considered a better individual player between Tim Duncan and Kobe

[@dondahighhh12]

7:35 kobe DROPPED 50 though, what is bro smoking

[@jertariusdean629]

Kobe most hated on ever

[@fearofsaturn]

* overrated

[@Lilstraightcash]

Kobe is beloved by many even before him passing away. He’s lowkey the epitome of a hooper . I think players like melo and bron are more hated than Kobe nd I’m not even a Kobe fan .

[@shiningwizard202]

Kobe is easily the most dickrode player in history next to Mike, stop it

[@joshhudson282]

I love when everybody talks over each other. I can understand everything everybody is saying. Its actually a talent I didn’t know I possessed

[@christopherbennett8073]

Im glad they brought this up, because people tend to have Duncan over Hakeem in their top 10 and I'm just curious as to why. Hakeem is regarded as the better player both offensively and defensively, but he's either in the bottom of people's top 10 or missing completely.

[@benjaminan1183]

It's just rings.

[@howitzdone8992]

Bird83-86, magic 86-88,Jordan 88-93,Hakeem 93-95, Jordan95-98,Shaq 98-02,Duncan02- 03, KG 03-04, Kobe 05-8, Bron 09-18,Steph 19 and 21,Giannis 21-22,Jokic 22-present, Not gone say who I got in 20 😂😂😂😂

[@akwesirobinson1710]

No it’s been bron sense 2009-2020 to keep it real and Kobe was never the definitively better bron in 2009 was better than Kobe in 2009 and 2008 bron and Kobe was around the same level and then bron leap frog him in 2009.2004 and 2005 kg was the best.bron 2009-2020.think about bron in 2008 took the Celtic in 7 with less help than Kobe and drop 45 while Kobe went out sad 2009-2020 and 2008 is arguably and 2006 wade was crazy dominant in the playoffs so it wade and he played with a old ass and banged up shaq. so 2007 was Kobe what some what best player in the league without argument and dirk was their and bron carried his team to the finals

[@howitzdone8992]

@ Not responding to all those dumb comments u just wrote 😂

[@samuelrowe1454]

A ton of people considered Dirk a soft European and a choke artist in the 2000's. He was never considered the best player in the world. 2011 really helped his reputation.

[@WrestlingisaW]

There has not been a season where Joel Embiid was better than Giannis if we are adding The Playoffs and the Regular season. If we are going off of MVP’s and Votes than Steve Nash was better than Kobe all of his MVP years ago

[@zod548]

To be fair Giannis only played like 2 playoff games during Embiid’s mvp year.

[@WrestlingisaW]

@ How did Embiid play in the playoffs in his own MVP year it was nothing special, He’s not a playoff riser he’s not a top 5 Guy people make him to be, to never have made it past the second round with stacked rosters and then being the MVP of the league and doing nothing with that is almost disgraceful

[@WrestlingisaW]

The regular season cool he can be top 10-5 but he’s never been realistically seen as the best and damn sure not definitive best player in the league that’s never been a thing not 1 time in the past 5 years has he been the best center in basketball

[@Steelo832]

All that said, I got Kobe from 2006-2010 and Bron made it a real conversation but Kobe’s entire body of work esp from 2008-2010 give him the edge.

[@fearofsaturn]

lebron has been definitively the best since 2006 EASILY. the numbers, accolades, and playoff runs prove it, young lebron gets underrated so much simply because he didnt win a ring carrying a trash team lmao

[@perrychambers]

I think Kobe was the best from when shaq said so in 2001-2012. I think by 2005 it was brazenly obvious on both sides of the ball.

[@ant_boy_spice4400]

Yea Kobe was the best at one point but in 01 hell no earliest is 05

[@jason15212]

2006 and 2007 Dirk better than Kobe ?😂😂😂😂😂

[@penkima4923]

Asking a question and laughing at the same time makes you look foolish. Dirk received more MVP votes in both of those seasons, and deservedly so. It's a debate between them.

[@jason15212]

@@penkima4923 I don’t give a fuck about them MVP awards I was alive and watched them at the time NOBODY ever referred to Dirk as the best player in the league

[@Lekefrmda4]

Kobe glaze is outrageous

[@hiphophead4891]

2000 - 2002 it was shaq who was the best player 2003 it was Tim Duncan 2004 It was Obviously KG 2005 It was Duncan again And from 2006-2011 it was Kobe There that should help

[@blackbeastgod]

Kobe 05 - 09

[@Jolteon1989]

Nah Kobe didnt become the best until 2008

[@MOCskoden]

@@hiphophead4891 I think 2011 was either LeBron or Dirk depending on how you rank players by accolades or pure impact/stats

[@maleekpate6770]

Marz was on point this whole video … 20v1 😂🤝🏾💪🏾

[@Steelo832]

Marz got a good point that most of the time there isn’t a one definitive best player. Mikan in the 40’s/50’s, Kareem in the 70’s, MJ in the 90’s, probably Bron early 2010’s. Even when Kobe was the best in the mid-late 00’s, Bron was behind him and you can make the argument for him.

[@Swipa_4]

Duncan had a couple years I’m wit unc on this one

[@TdwBsuCard24]

That he was definitively the best? There was no year where the masses were calling him definitively better than Kobe post shaq

[@stevenmark4407]

@@TdwBsuCard24cause they weren’t paying as much attention on him. He was the best player in the league for a time idc.

[@TdwBsuCard24]

@ good for you👍🏽 but your personal opinion truly doesn’t matter in the conversation of being definitively the best. It’s the masses. If there was a poll or multiple publications (espn, SI, bleacher report, etc.) and he didn’t get above 80% or not all the publication rankings put him 1, then he wasn’t definitive. You are probably in the minority like chill

[@jason15212]

1:50 But chill will tell he thought James was above Bryant when he won MVP and a championship the 2 following seasons

[@GFMSancho436]

In the 2002-2003 NBA season, Shaquille O’Neal played for the Los Angeles Lakers and continued to be one of the most dominant players in the league. Here are his key stats for that season: •Games Played: 67 •Points Per Game (PPG): 27.5 •Rebounds Per Game (RPG): 11.1 • Assists Per Game (APG): 3.1 • Blocks Per Game (BPG): 2.4 •Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 57.4% •Free Throw Percentage (FT%): 62.2%

[@MarzTalksSports]

chatgpt ass comments

[@Young_Brumm15]

Duncan was easily the best player from '03-'05. Won 2 NBA Finals, won Finals MVP in '03 and '05, won league MVP '02 and '03, All Defensive 1st team from 1999 to 2005, in a row, NBA All Star team all 3 years, All NBA 1st team all 3 years. No question he was the best player in the league. Also, trying to remove all bias from the equation, since TD is my favorite player of all time, Duncan was a better player all time than Kobe. It really isn't even that close in my eyes. And KG was great in the early 2000s, but the TWolves never went anywhere in the playoffs. So how can KG be debatably better than Duncan if he never made a finals with the TWolves? I'm genuinely asking to see where some people come to that conclusion.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

Best Player Every Year Since 2000 2000 - Shaq (Definitive) 2001 - Shaq (Definitive) 2002- Shaq 2003 - Duncan 2004 - Garnett 2005 - Garnett (Definitive) 2006 - Kobe 2007 - Kobe (Definitive) 2008 - Kobe (Definitive) 2009 - Lebron 2010 - Kobe 2011 - Lebron 2012 - Lebron (Definitive) 2013 - Lebron (Definitive) 2014 - Lebron (Definitive) 2015 - Lebron 2016 - Lebron (Definitive) 2017 - Lebron (Definitive 2018 - Lebron (Definitive) 2019 - Curry 2020 - Lebron (Definitive) 2021 - Curry 2022 - Jokic 2023 - Jokic (Definitive) 2024 - Jokic (Definitive)

[@atribecalledlen3567]

May I ask what Kobe not definitive for 2006

[@Jolteon1989]

garnett wasnt a definitive best player . Youre a casual

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@atribecalledlen3567 respect kg? He was shooting like kd that year

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@Jolteon1989 🤡

[@atribecalledlen3567]

@@ZZ-ex8py ??? I didn’t say anything about KG

[@strivingforthekingdoment.2303]

The pecking order was definitively established during the 08 Olympics.

[@joshuafruth6420]

My favorite part is where Mars calls them all out on continually changing criteria to fit their narratives then uses LeBron (who he says gets the nod cause we all know who he is/was at that time), then chill jumps on him immediately for "downplaying LeBron" 😂 Even tho that has nothing to do with what Mars was saying..

[@kaylanmalik3025]

Could we add Julius Erving?

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

2003-2005 Timmy D was the best player in the NBA. And as a Dallas resident who saw Dirk up close, he was NOT better thsn Kobe in 2007. 06-2010 Kobe imo was the best player in the league with it being debatable between him and bron starting in 2009. But from 06-08 it was definitively Kobe Bean.

[@atribecalledlen3567]

Duncan wasn’t better than KG in 04

[@delshawngee9732]

Bro… everyone had Kobe in their top 3 but now he’s not top 10? Where did the switch up come from? This is saddening 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@BLEgoist10]

Shii not me. Kobe top 3 is criminal imo

[@shiningwizard202]

@@BLEgoist10yeah top 3 is ridiculous but top 10 for sure. I got him at 10 but I’ll hear out some higher spots.

[@MOCskoden]

@@delshawngee9732 everyone ? I had Kobe 5th but 3rd is a REACH… it was always Lebron MJ Kareem and outside between the 4-10 spots was a mix of Magic/Duncan/Kobe/Bill/Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem in those 2016-2020 years of nba debates

[@Young_Brumm15]

Kobe has never been in my top 10 of all time. He's in the 11-15 range somewhere, but not top 10 imo.

[@SummerAwe99]

Swipa loves his metrics argument because the way Jokic plays exploits the system.

[@antonginlack4884]

Kobe Hating is ridiculous on this panel ! wtf !

[@benjaminan1183]

Duncan, Magic, Kobe and Steph were never clearly the best player in the league.

[@GLENISgotastorytotell]

Tha Tim Duncan DISRESPECT HAS TO STOP!!!!!! Tim Duncan was always better than Kobe!!!! And Tim was the best player in the NBA from 2000-05

[@Manze215]

You have no idea how good Kobe Bryant was oh my God 😭

[@connormacleod1490]

TD was the best player in 2000-2010, won a lo t even though he was riddled with injuries.

[@thadeuskushington7103]

Throw T-Mac in there. Kobe said it himself, Mac was his top opponent 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TMD-g8o]

Allen Iverson: What y'all forgot?

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

These guys must be on drugs saying Dirk was a better player than Kobe Bryant. Please tell me when Dirk Nowitzki didn't have a great deep roster around him. Early in his career he had Steve Nash (who all y'all glaze the hell out of) and Michael Finley. Those Dallas teams were stacked from top to bottom. Kobe Bryant had to play 1 vs 5 until Pau Gasol got there. All he needed was just one other all star and the Lakers were a title contender. Dirk was a great scorer and a mismatch nightmare for any team. But Kobe was at another level. Y'all can hate him all you want but its the truth

[@shiningwizard202]

Not a Kobe fan but Dirk over him is RIDICULOUS

[@ubereats3047]

Dirk won a ring with no all star teammate. Kobe never did that lmfao

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

@@ubereats3047 What does that mean? He still had a hell of a supporting cast. Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic... All guys who were no longer stars but still very effective. Sometimes a deep squad makes up for another star player. Y'all just talk

[@ubereats3047]

@ Kobe had a deep cast AND an all star teammate. Mind you we can really get nasty and end the discussion by bringing up Shaq but even the repeat squad was better than Dirk’s and Dirk fried that Lakers team trying to get the 3peat. Gasol, Bynum, Metta, Odom, Fisher isn’t a deep team? All of those guys were much better and in their prime/a few years from exiting their prime. Peja was in his last year and did not contribute much. J Kidd was serviceable but 38 years old. Caron Butler did not play in the playoffs he was unfortunately hurt. So we’re left with Jason Terry and Chandler who played good especially Jet in the playoffs but they are still not as good as Pau Gasol especially not 2010 finals Pau. Nobody on that lakers team was over the age of 31 besides Fisher.

[@Guttygg]

Tim Duncan is top five power forwards but his game style makes you think he was regular no flash people forget about you

[@YoungShadTv]

Swipa is just a jokic fanboy

[@LakeShow-2481]

Dumbest question of all time. If 2003 Kobe Duncan & Shaq in Lebrons era there wouldn’t be a “definitive” best player. It’s literally dependent on who’s playing in “your” era. Hakeem was the “best player” because Jordan retired. Not because he was better than Kobe Jordan or Duncan. Everyone besides Ron & Marz sound brain dead.

[@SummerAwe99]

Lebrons defense was elite well up to 2020... people just started the narrative it wasnt and it caught on... the exact opposite of Kobe, who got handed defensive teams well after he was even average defensively.

[@YoungShadTv]

Swipa is a jokic fanboy

[@ThePilot313]

So the eye test doesn’t matter? Just placing in the mvp voting? Swipa is so bad😩🤦🏾‍♂️

[@1903Optics]

Kobe done dirty man.

[@classicmaterial1737]

The Kobe disrespect is unbelievable...

[@jordandaley5238]

I don’t get how Kobe could possibly be better than Duncan when Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime for the 05 playoffs, then lost a 3-1 lead in the first round of the 06 playoffs and then lost in 5 games in the first round in the 07 playoffs

[@nykareem2001]

Have you considered Kobe’s aura in your analysis?

[@misteralfred459]

2021 Durant was better than Giannis

[@DanteGoldz]

Bron reign definitive was 2011.

[@keonhendrickson638]

Jokic is not definitively the best player in the world bc Giannis is right there but there’s so many talented players in the league that you can make arguments for a few guys but I believe The discussion is between Jokic and Giannis.

[@Slyme1big]

They overrate the regular season I rather have a postseason monster over the regular season monsters they gawk daily

[@misteralfred459]

How y’all say definitely best player then say just 1 year?? He just had a better year don’t mean he the best player in the league

[@joshliggins-lk8gj]

Im giving him 03 timmy nvr averaged over 25ppg and usually had really good teammates

[@Kidkinsey]

Embid was NEVER better than giannis and Kobe from 05-09 was clearly the best player. Bron wade etc all admitted this coming back from the Olympics

[@PGKING911]

Skill wise, Dirk is the best PF ever ... accomplishment wise, it's Timmy

[@Suge8263]

Dirk not more skilled than kg

[@PGKING911]

@Suge8263 offensively Dirk is better, not even debatable

[@Suge8263]

@@PGKING911 it's more close on offensive that it is on defense that's a fact

[@canadadry4609]

I think 06 was the only year kobe CLEARED. Im giving him 07 and 08 too but not by the same margins.. not definitive. 09 was 50/50 with lebron. Or 40/60. However you want to look at it.

[@Dgotitmade]

Kobe is becoming underrated infront of our eyes, dirk was better den kobe now? What am I listening to

[@randomperson2540]

The mvp is important but not the most, dirk had an incredible season in 07, the nigha lost in the first round as a number 1 seed cause he played horrible, I can guarantee you no one thought he was the best in the world after that. Same goes for curry in 2015 and 16 we alll agree it was bron for those years. Yalll know this why is it hard for yall to decide who has and hasn’t been clearly the best lol.

[@Left2Rightball]

Kobe was the best in the world from 03 to 10 definitive

[@markjones2518]

The disrespect to Tim He’s a top 5 player ever

[@ducekong7878]

Ai was peak @ 05 30 plus 6 n 6

[@keltonmarshall3517]

Kobe hate is crazy

[@montehbiglari6914]

try not to interrupt and ruin the viewer experience challenge: level impossible

[@Jolteon1989]

So a player from 02-05 won 2 MVPs 1 other Top 2 finish, 2 FMVPs 1st team all NBA team and 1st team defense in that span with 2 Top 5 DPOY finishes while carrying some of the weakest Spurs rosters past the 3 peat Lakers wasnt the Definitive best player?? Just say yall hate Duncan and be done with this convo. Also Duncan was definitelty the best player in 1999 when he was Top 3 in MVP and was the 2nd Youngest FMVP in nba history

[@aquartermil]

Like Dirk of all people better than Kobe…man be real

[@RichHoopsNba]

go check kd mvp votes compared to the rest of the nba in 13-14 the shit wasn’t even close at all like really not close he was far above the nba. that year

[@BoB.._..]

Yall know I think KG is overrated but there were definitely Duncan vs KG discussions back then

[@marquesevans9244]

Kobe hate is getting corny

[@MarzTalksSports]

duncan maybe and probably was the best player itw at a point (for me). but that point was A) brief and B) not definitive. and thats not definitive at the time AND in hindsight (imo)

[@ericcruz4967]

Chill town makes no sense with the can you be a top 10 player ever while never being the best player in the league. If peak jordan is the goat any player that played at the same time as him wouldn’t be top 10. Like hypothetically if Duncan or wilt played at the same time as Jordan they wouldn’t be the best player itl either. Y’all should’ve cooked him

[@Jiturra01]

Tim is top 5, debate a wall.

[@Kmac112]

Alot of revisionist history here

[@canadadry4609]

Duncan clears kg in 03 lol. Especially with how the year played out. Duncan executed a carry job kg couldn't dream of doing. By the end of the year it was definitive. And 03 wasn't peak shaq lol. 05 kobe was out of shape, missed time, injured, missed the playoffs, was the league pariah for driving shaq and phil out of LA AND then missing the playoffs, he wasn't better than duncan.

[@cjthompson3447]

Kobe clears

[@brando405okc]

02-03 Kobe was 30 7 6

[@reginaldweaks6913]

So according to this criteria when has Lukas been the best in the world like people claim.

[@MarzTalksSports]

luka?