Kodama/Sakashima vs Grand Arbiter vs Thrasios/Bruse vs Thrasios/Vial | CEDH Gameplay

[@thaneofstuff7340]

If anyone else is confused like I was while watching the game, Isochron Scepter says you "cast" the spell and there was an Eidolon of Rhetoric on the field stopping the infinite combo from going off

[@RobMedellin]

Well maybe the Eidolon left the game

[@natebeal18]

You don't cast with Scepter. You merely copy the spell.

[@TomGalonska]

@@natebeal18 The oracle text states: "2,tap: You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost." So you do cast it, and with an idolon of rhetoric you sure can activate the scepter more than once, but you can only cast the imprinted card once

[@RobMedellin]

@@natebeal18 you do cast. You cast a copy, but it's a cast. It's used for storm or for aetherflux reservoir which don't count copies (like ral or magecraft).

[@mafiaejah]

Oooh yeah!! I was confused at first 'cause he got the Petitioners, a basalt, and the Dramscept on play. That's EZ mill to all in one turn. Then there's that fricking Eidolon of "No storm allowed" in play.

[@sirki2885]

i think thats the first time ive ever see the double kodama combo actually resolve for even a turn in your vids kodama usually gets dealt with on the stack

[@grouphug1013]

the person with the "don't feed the fish" playmat is feeding the fish....

[@royalfishness1]

"we wish we were joking" lols

[@Starkipraggy]

mike: gotta stop him from reviving all them persistent petitioners like last time >:( reo: thanks for playing my combo piece for me :D

[@VinnieKielbasa]

Guy 1: Why isn't mill more popular? Guy 2: You need to put your opponent's whole deck into their graveyard. 60 cards is a lot. Imagine if they're playing a Yorion deck. That's 80. Reo: Amateurs. *mills 2 opponents and their 100 card Commander decks*

[@turti_86]

Top be fair, for the Helm of Obediance and Rest in Peace Combo it doesn't matter if your Deck contains 60, 80, 100 or 574828537 cards^^

[@patrickdavis8271]

I play a mill combo as my secondary win con and I mill out the table in 1 turn ... there's or mine. Once it goes off, 100 cards or 1M cards doesn't matter. It keeps going until I say stop. GG The most cards I have milled with this combo I think was just over 560 cards with 6 players + me. ;)

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

99-97* if you have a (98 and 97 are if you have partners and/or companion)

[@NMS127]

@@TheMightyBattleSquid Companions don't reduce starting deck size. They're outside the game until you activate them.

[@YetAnotherScrub]

At this point Mike should stop playing MTG and get rich playing poker. His opening was one again insane.

[@trashbat999]

right?! i’m looking at his opener like wow turn 1 archon that’s going to be really good. then his draw step is mystic remora lol okay

[@TCG9777]

once?*

[@LackofPants]

Why have I never realized the synergy between Remora and Smothering Tithe? That’s such a great way to keep it out more than two turns

[@mathieugaron3428]

« Draw Strep » hahaha! What a huge narration here with all these triggers! Incredible job Ryan!

[@bluedemonnn]

Didn't expect that to end the way it did. Good game.

[@kaba9926]

Well the hullbreacher actually won the game.

[@xaviermejia94]

Best way to start my day off!!!!

[@Eiyaa90]

this is the game that finally prompted me to buy one of your shirts :D

[@KenBaumann]

Mike's first turn was beautiful. And congrats to the winner, too!

[@munckee1]

man ive been waiting for Reo for a longgggggg time! That deck is so rad

[@tomaskaizr3720]

First second of gameplay. Holy shit Steins;Gate playmate :O My favorite show ever. I like this guy. Congrats

[@rexone9564]

@17:05 mike had a deflecting swat in his hand! That could redirect the helm!! Winning him the game.

[@greatbrandini3967]

Helm specifies target opponent

[@iamyourpc]

Where do I buy that Steins Gate playmat?

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

i wanna see these 'go first' challenges some time

[@shawnamell3069]

Really like that new logo. Great game

[@Prvosienko]

That Steins;Gate playmat Reo uses... I want one.

[@oscarperezcame]

Refreshing game! It was awesome! (And no Thoracle.. that was a breezeof fresh air hahaha)

[@MTYERM0MALOT]

can't join the mox pearl tier, they are all gone :(

[@Kozi15]

Man I miss playing my Kozilkek TGD as CEDH. Kodama seems nice tho.

[@reapergaming8810]

Why did mike not counter the helm of obedience with the fierce guardianship? Also couldn’t his guardianship not be countered due to his eidolon so he would have for sure stopped it?

[@aeneas1677]

mabye So the guest who pays them a bomb of money wins? Idk tho

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Mike was very lacking in sleep and made more than a few play mistakes this game lol

[@Fearthecow792]

I was yelling at the scream, aware he had it since he used Eternal Witness like 5 turns before

[@adamwright4482]

I think this is my favorite video yet. Also, Reo should prob buy a lottery ticket after hitting all those rolls. He loses even one or two of those early rolls, it's completely game-changing.

[@derekmccoy2799]

I appreciate you! That was a long game and I'm sure an even longer script.

[@danielkane8568]

Zack had infinite mana. With a Kodama trigger on the stack, tap two lands to pay for the breezecaller. Untap one land and return the other to hand. Use the Kodama trigger to replay the land generating a mana with the cobra and getting another Kodama trigger. Repeat.

[@drew941]

Kodama player had infinite* colorless to try and draw into a win with breeze caller, cobra, ancient tomb, and bonder's enclave. He would just take 2 every time he loops them... But that's still 16 cards to try and get true infinite mana and dig for a win. Edit: that's what I get for commenting mid game. I still think going for enclave draws is the right move. Gives a bit more protection from hullbreacher

[@jef89]

I thought something similar. Could have also tutored for Trophy Mage into Curio for the infinite mana/draw. The breacher was going to get down either way but maybe could have gotten a couple of draws

[@connorosborn7187]

Helm and RIP is my favourite combo. I run it in my Oloro deck.

[@nazgir5343]

I always get so excited to see a Sakashima deck, and then quietly have to stew in my disappointment when it's not with Krark.

[@Repaurcas]

Why doesn't Mike just counter the helm with fierce guardianship? We know he had it from the eternal witness and he revealed it at the end as well.

[@bl33d1ng2]

i can only imagine he thought, he could redirect helm with deflecting swat. otherwise it made no sense

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Yeah seems like he forgot or misunderstood. But with the amount of cards Reo drew he definitely had countermagic so I'm not sure it would have mattered

[@ChadStJohn-ji5fr]

He wouldn't have been able to counter the guardianship because of the eidolon

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@ChadStJohn-ji5fr ahhhh you're right. Big missplay I guess.

[@bl33d1ng2]

@@SirDoogleBeard he has to (or at least try) counter to it even without the eidolon. it's not like the helm suddenly just vanishes

[@daniescc9622]

I likes the new logo, also great game!

[@DGweekly]

Can someone break down Zack's turn at 9:30 to me, please? Kodama says "if it wasn't put onto the battlefield with this ability" so how did he keep getting triggers off of the cards he was putting out? Casting Sakashima triggers the initial Kodama, and he gets the Lotus Cobra into play for free. Is he getting the other triggers from the copy since the Cobra was put into play with the original Kodama? Then each Kodama triggering off the other one until the chain goes to 0?

[@brandonkwhiz]

Sakashima copies Kodama, so he has two copies of Kodama. When the first Kodama triggers and he puts something onto the battlefield it triggers the second. He then puts another permanent onto the battlefield which triggers the first. This creates a loop to continue putting permanents onto the battlefield.

[@DGweekly]

@@brandonkwhiz That was what I thought, but I wasn't sure if it canceled it out since it was the same ability but triggering on a different card. Thanks!

[@endersblade]

Defeated by his own enchantment lol

[@tylercraig5633]

I’ve never seen a Thrasios/Bruse pairing before. This should be good!!

[@ianmangrobang6681]

It’s a pretty spicy pile. I played a storm / evolution version with akiri thrasios, not sure if bruse is overall better. I definitely do prefer him in the command zone for the stax variant though

[@nazgir5343]

@@ianmangrobang6681 Bruce is helpful to offset mana crypt/fetch/shock, etc life drains, which can be quite relevant in the staxy long-play games the deck creates. That's what I got from seeing a friend playing it at least.

[@ianmangrobang6681]

@@nazgir5343 the reason I was going back and forth between him and Akiri, was more about the evolution piles. Casting neoform on Akiri gets you barrin, master wizard and zirda (I was basically using barrin to loop dockside extortionist, and zirda is a combo piece with basalt monolith and Thrasios), but bruse threatens tymna, and flips into seedborn muse

[@nazgir5343]

@@ianmangrobang6681 Ah yeah. I don't entirely remember my friend's lines, it's been quite a while since he played the deck. Iirc he swapped it out for a 5c sisay, which more or less ran the same win lines.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Mike here, I've been playing Blue Pod, which is kind of a mix between Blood Pod and Thrasios midrange decks. It's very fun! Should hopefully see some vids of it eventually.

[@TomGalonska]

Did Mike just let Reo win? He had a Guardianship in hand and certainly enough mana to pay for the arbiter tax... oO Also: 12:00 HUGE rules violation, Reo activated the Petitioner with summoning sickness... i think that play changed the ENTIRE game. :D :D :D

[@mikestephens267]

The Petioners ability isn't bothered by summoning sickness - see the gatherer rulings. Everything was done legal.

[@Joolenplus]

Mike misplayed and should have just countered the helm. I imagine he thought he could redirect the target with deflecting swat but helm says target opponent so the target can't be changed in that scenario.

[@SirDoogleBeard]

I'm not sure why he didn't cast the Guardianship but with the amount of cards Reo drew he definitely had countermagic anyway. And there was no rules violation the tapping of the petitioners it sneakily gets around summoning sickness as there is no tap symbol in the cost to activate the ability

[@sn4ckee]

@@mikestephens267 he wasn't activating the second ability of the petitioners he was using the first ability "(1), (tap): Target player mills a card." He did use a summoning sick petitioner to mill a card.

[@TomGalonska]

@@mikestephens267 That's true for the second abillity (which others pointed out already), but not for the first one. He didn't have 4 advisors (only 2 petitioners and grand arbiter), so he didn't activate the 2nd abillity. The commentary also says, that he's milling 1 cards each time.

[@abrahammendezgonzalez3242]

The deck of Reo looks so sweet

[@bryanlim9817]

Wait! Around 19:00 where Zak vomits his hand out onto play due to Kodama, Kodama says you can only do that if it is NOT due to Kodama's ability. That means I cast something, then i get another perm into play for free due to Kodama BUT I cannot continue the chain because the perm I put into play for free is due to Kodama.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Each kodama is a separate instance and allows you to chain them together like he did

[@jef89]

Probably wouldn't have made much difference, but getting a Trophy Mage for Cloudstone Curio instead of Zegana could have made less tempting for the Hullbreacher drop, while also enabling infinite mana and perhaps getting a couple of draws before the breacher got in. Really fun game tho ❤️

[@sivancohen4940]

what happned to the old logo? it was so much better...

[@MrAustinG.I.]

Oh man I feel dumb... How does Helm and R.I..P work together?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Helm looks for conditions to be satisfied in the graveyard (x cards or a creature). Since RIP doesn't let things go into the graveyard, the condition is never satisfied, and you mill your entire library into exile.

[@MrAustinG.I.]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG ahh makes more sense. Thanks

[@flniggl5016]

Why is there no Lifegain from the bruse tarl Trigger?

[@danielcarrillo4800]

MA goodness didn't expect the mill win

[@JonathanHecht]

i underestimated Bruce tarl. i mean he was partnered with thrassios but surprisingly he did some damage.

[@passprioritypodcast]

What a shame that Helm of Obedience says “target opponent’s library.”

[@PlayAsDevil]

cant understand Helm + rip. What is going on?

[@Turn2Ugin]

Loving the new PWP symbol kings!

[@jaredsmith6565]

What a game! Way to Reo!!

[@taradavies3073]

Wait guys how does the Kodama trigger work? I thought you could only put one permanent when Kodama ETB’s because the card says “only if the card that was put on the battlefield was not put via this ability”

[@StrategyWasTaken]

A 2nd kodama is a separate trigger

[@taradavies3073]

@@StrategyWasTaken but then shouldn’t you only be able to play one more card after that 2nd Kodama?

[@TomGalonska]

@@taradavies3073 When you put a card into play with Kodama1's (K1) ability, K2 triggers, since it wasn't put into play with K2's ability. So you put a card into play with K2's ability and K1 triggers, since the card wasn't put into play with K1's ability -> and we're back at the start. So you go infinite with it (until you have no permanent left to put into play or you decline)

[@iansamuel1811]

zack could have won the turn he played cobra by creating infinite landfall with breezecaller and using the mana from cobra to bounce and activate bonders enclave to draw his whole deck. could have won through rule of law when he drew sunscorched desert 9:45

[@franciscojose6512]

What a fun card that hullbreacher

[@morgoth2425]

uhhh why didnt he counter the helm of obedience???

[@aaronpierce7061]

Pretty sure kodama doesn't chain like the first play, because kodama says, "if it wasn't played using this ability."

[@MatthewSmith-qd6du]

i think its because he has both sakashima as a copy of kodama and kodama so the ability is triggering for other other whenever he puts a permanent into play

[@lucassloan1960]

Eidolon of rhetoric would have shut down the drawing of 8 cards if I'm remembering right

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Eidolon stops a player from casting more than two spells a turn

[@ValinShadow]

I feel like the MVC of this game should have been Archon of Emeria/Eidolon of Rhetoric. yes Helm actually won the game and yes Hullbreacher stopped Zack, but Archon and Eidolon completely controlled the flow of the game for basically the entire game. the game would have absolutely ended turns earlier if not for Archon and Eidolon

[@TheNotoriousJTS]

This outcome must be the will of Stein's Gate.

[@undercat1329]

did reo not have infinite mana and untaps from scepter reversal? couldn't he just keep milling with petitioners?

[@Repaurcas]

Eidolon of rhetoric prevents it

[@leress]

Since scepter casts the imprinted spell, Eidolon stops the combo.

[@w.s6124]

why is every starting hand more expensive then my whole deck?

[@Magidex]

AAAAAAAAHHHHH RIP HELM??? SICK.

[@patykaarplegos6282]

I await the day where a phylath deck appears. One of my favorite commanders and I almost never see him.

[@Broken_Colossus]

All zavk needed was a bounce land and he would have and infinite combo with scuteswarm and kodama, making a token, trigering kodama playing a bounce land, making a token bouncing the land and playing it again.

[@Broken_Colossus]

And with lotus cobra he can make infinite mana as well

[@derdampflok]

you dont need the token with 2 kodamas because the land triggers kodama by itself

[@TitanKane]

HE HAD A FREE COUNTERSPELL IN HAND 😭, ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS USE IT ON THE HELM WHAT HAPPENED

[@philippbiegel152]

gz to the winner, but i wanted to see the combo of kodama and sakashima

[@mathieugaron3428]

Still a myth to me

[@dannyirvin5990]

In any deck with red Iike braid of fire to pay my upkeep costs

[@BetterCallKahl]

I wish the decks were on moxfield :(

[@theonetruedeity]

Couldn’t Reo infinitely untap with mana crypt and isochrom on upkeep and exile everyone’s deck?

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Eidolon of Rhetoric stops him from casting Reversal multiple times

[@TripsAhoy]

Oh yeah!!!!

[@Turn2Ugin]

I'll play Erotic Orchard as my land for turn

[@fellishable]

Couldn't Reo have won the turn he got the petitioners back by repeatedly untapping them with scepter?

[@Sorran87]

Normally, yes, but Eidolon of Rhetoric stops it

[@leress]

Since scepter casts the imprinted spell, Eidolon stops the combo.

[@Frommerman]

Eidolon of Rhetoric

[@severalwhitespaces]

Stellar game.

[@FirewalllDivision]

That Arbiter is great at doing nothing and winning because it got ignored for most of the game xD. though what is that petitioners garbage doing in there though...

[@norushoutcast]

Steins Gate playmate and mill wins? Woww

[@CMAzeriah]

I dislike the partner mechanic outside of fixed partners.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It's certainly very powerful.

[@jakeaskvig6441]

I really enjoy Reos deck it’s nice to see a GAAIV that’s not stax

[@tfuji0012]

Wth was that wincon lol that was amazing

[@stevenbuck4090]

Why the f was everyone going so hard after my boy Folger? 😡

[@MM-oz9nx]

He was playing black. The assumption being if he is in black, he is playing ad naus in the deck. That is the only thing I can think of, because the petitioners deck has demonstrated multiple times, the longer the game goes the easier it becomes for him to win. I don’t think I have seen that deck lose yet, and it always involves no pressure being applied to him.

[@johnbaird6752]

Reo = goat

[@eduardolagunas69]

Reo could have won a turn early but I think he wanted to win with helm

[@danielkings2443]

Finally! What an awesome game

[@BigMikePlays]

The rest in piece player got what he deserved 🤣😂🤣😂

[@eliasfajardo6148]

lel with that win

[@taylorsafford8529]

Expedition map should not have been the mulligan if he kept that could of got sun scorched desert way quicker then instead of looking for it late game would of had the loop sooner I play sakashima kodama regularly it’s a nasty deck when it gets going like that love it soo much !!

[@SxTheBo]

As a Grand Arbiter player every time i get hyped for see him in action and then get really disappointed when I see it's the meme version of the it...please play the real smothering Staxarbiter list sometimes

[@thejankycommander783]

Reo had game after he cast rally the ancestors

[@lunah33]

Ahahahahah mill

[@rasmusandersen2835]

32 seconds

[@OnyxANZ]

Reo's playspace is painful to look at

[@khurgar8120]

I hate to be pessimistic, but that mill deck is so boring to watch.

[@natebeal18]

*Gentlemen and gentlemen, boys and boys

[@mathieugaron3428]

Are trying to imply that only males can watch this?