Kodama/Sakashima vs Heliod vs Orvar vs Rograkh/Silas | CEDH Gameplay

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Mike here, I definitely misplayed this game. Got too tunnel visioned on the Ethersworn and thought triple Rhystic would keep me safe during Ryan's turn. Also assumed Zack would have some kind of interaction. Maybe a bit of greed, but if you've played with Charles, you know the games can go on for a long long time and eventually the misplays start to happen :D Overall, it was a great game, don't let the Thoracle win taint it for you! Ryan had half of his deck in his hand and it didn't really matter how he got there once he had that many cards.

[@NesmerII]

that's what you get for forgetting you were targeting a mono-W player in edh. It looks like the smart move. It FEELS like the smart move. Then the UG player casts any fucking spell, and then it wasn't the smart move.

[@derafrax5048]

i mean shouldnt you have been trying to duplicate islands earlier on, when you were copying astrolabes?

[@francescogiudici9073]

If zack had one more mana open...

[@eyeh0]

Still a great showing overall! It was a blast watching Orvar do his thing and hope to see more of him.

[@johnbaird6752]

Your deck is brilliant, what a fun game

[@Vagrantlol]

Man, that Orvar build is sweet as hell. It's so unique for cEDH.

[@AlchemicalLove]

I have a similar build and it's si much fun. Coveted jewel is hilarious in the 99

[@Playingwithproxies]

Orvar could have used whim of volrath to make infinite lands on like turn 3

[@ZephyrosGamer]

@@Playingwithproxies nops, because of spell tax from mono-white

[@liamblack3001]

Orvar for sure had the win if we pretended thoracle didn't resolve. Orvar is a cast trigger so they could have used whim of volrath on the archeomancer to grab the other buyback spell in their graveyard to play around counter spells before drawing the deck with astrolabe and finding a win

[@liamblack3001]

very cool deck its lines are really confusing to interact with

[@jdubbleyou]

"A huge part of CEDH, is determining the right time to cast your Thassa's Oracle for the win"

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

On this episode: Mike does the thing. A lot.

[@MM-oz9nx]

I don’t understand why mike countered the ethersworn. He had archeomancer, and a way to make a copy of the mancer to get back cyclonic rift. He basically had a setup where everyone else exists under rule of law effect except him. He bounces it b4 his turn, gets to do his things, passes and then let’s Charles spend resources to put it back on the field. Why free the other two players when you have everything you want?

[@RobMedellin]

Exactly I couldn't believe it. I thought "is he going for a win then and there at instant speed??? If so why not on his own turn when more opponents lands where tapped? “

[@Ryomaru]

He had infinite cyclonic rifts. I'm not sure what happened there. He had 9000 islands, all he needed was to rift, volrath archaeomancer if rift was countered, and keep doing that until no responses. It was a guaranteed overloaded rift, which he could recast any time anyone did anything. It's an infinite lock. He also could have drawn his whole deck with astrolabe copies to find an answer for the thassas combo at the end.

[@MetaKaios]

@@Ryomaru Each island had to be tapped to generate the next one. So he didn't actually have 9000 mana until he got to untap them all.

[@anarchy5partan662]

"ryan pays for all of them" Based THAT RED ELEMENTAL BLAST HOLY MOLY

[@flewphernegro1516]

Don't deal with the stax unless you can win right after

[@lostgenius]

Yup, not sure why he didn't wait until the end of Ryan's turn

[@MM-oz9nx]

What I don’t get is why he countered it when Charles recasted it.

[@Saldorio]

Zack should have equipped the paradise mantle on kinnan, being able to generate 2 mana and activate geier reach sanitarium before resolving thassa's trigger

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

That's just kingmaking at that point. The game was 100% over on Mike's turn if Oracle didn't win

[@kikatty333]

@@ShadowWasntHere8433 sorta? I'd argue stopping someone from winning even if chances are high someone other than you will win after is still always the "right" play. If one person wins right now you wont win for sure. If you stop it there's still the slightes chance for you to win just by the game not being over yet

[@grantbosworth6418]

@@ShadowWasntHere8433 I mean you prevent loss for another turn? It would have been the correct play.

[@RobMedellin]

@@ShadowWasntHere8433 agree with you. But I agree more with the other ones. And lol I have yet another point of view. I would had made Ryan lose (even if that's kingmaking) just to kill some one who is using thassa's oracle. That's worth it. I also understand you that there's really nothing to win (but pitiful satisfaction of taking one out) and Mike didn't deserve to win because he made mistakes and Ryan didn't.

[@trveheimer6360]

@@RobMedellin goddammit the salt is real

[@eyeh0]

I’ve never seen Astrolabe do so much work. Unique draw outlet in Orvar too. That’s pretty rad.

[@jannicksturm9746]

As soon as the Orvarplayer countered the Cannonist I knew that Ryan was going to win.

[@GeorgeBolas]

Most underrated comment btw

[@kylehill]

Imagine having a deck run as incredibly as Orvar only to have another Thoracle literally steal a win. God damn boring and dumb no I haven't had a few drinks

[@Wizardofexisting]

meeeee toooooooo.

[@TashaRhyming]

such is life. also love ur work thank you

[@jamiewisdom]

it does suck. i dont like thoracle as much as anyone but you honestly gotta give it to ryan. he sat there doing practically nothing, picking his spot for most of the game and he pulled it out right on time. the orvar deck was so awesome tho

[@MM-oz9nx]

He didn’t steal a win. The orvar player doing “amazing stuff” made a decision that cost him the game. He had everything right up until he decided to get rid of the ethersworn.

[@BritBox777]

I already agreed with this reply before I saw who posted it, that got a lol from me.

[@aboodfouda]

Correct me if I’m wrong; Orvar could’ve in response to the red elemental blast used whim to target archeomancer and get a counterspell back to his hand from the graveyard then countered the red elemental blast

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Mike what tapped out he couldn't cast Whim

[@Happymasks]

@@SirDoogleBeard Doesn't the Astrolade tap for mana though? Or were they tapped?

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@Happymasks astrolabe only filters for Mana 👍

[@BeforeTheAM]

What happened to all the island tokens he made? I thought he had infinite mana that way?

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@BeforeTheAM the islands were tapped he has to use them to continue the Volrath loop

[@c.m.a.444]

Haven't watched the video yet, but I see Orvar I know I am happy.

[@gabrielr1564]

Thats the problem with stax, sometimes it locks out the player that could solve the problem of the table

[@Exaurilo]

Bouncing the Ethersworn Canonist before it even got to the Kodama or the Grixis player's turns was a very greedy play in my opinion. Probably did not want the mana to go to waste, but the risks far surpassed the rewards there, I think.

[@MM-oz9nx]

You are right, it was greedy. And then he got rewarded for his greed by Charles when he casted it again. Then he for some reason countered it. Unknown as to why he countered it, when he literally got the best of everything. He did his thing, everyone else was about to be locked down, he had the ability to escape it again if he wanted. Makes no sense.

[@raleldor]

That Orvar deck is sick.... That game was his had he not tapped out early.

[@ecos889]

Wait Ovar copies permanents? :O WUT, man I underestimated Ovar as a commander.

[@elipetrou9308]

He’s really cool. Kind of boring to play, but still cool

[@Mat-bw3ok]

Yeah he's pretty obnoxious. My mates copy lands and sol rings etc like no tomorrow but this is way worse

[@paulmcclain642]

Every Orvar deck I’ve ever seen is mega scary it’s such a powerful ability

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Orvar is a very cool deck. The main problem is that it's very reliant on the commander. I definitely wouldn't call it boring, it's one of the most unique and difficult decks in the format!

[@elipetrou9308]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG yeah it’s a great deck, just probably not something i would play

[@eyeh0]

Orvar was a blast to watch! I hope to see more of Mike piloting the copy cephalopod

[@AppaTheBizon1228]

Orvar is such a sweet and splashy card, its refreshing to see it at a cEDH table

[@cookiecreep9204]

I did not know Kodama / Sakashima was so good before i've seen this and thought about it. Oh god.

[@matthewh3475]

he could’ve cast whim of volrath on archaeomancer and gotten back pact

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Mike was tapped out he couldn't cast Whim

[@matthewh3475]

@@SirDoogleBeard oooohhh i forgot he used the islands to pay for the volrath so they were all tapped

[@tonomanero1667]

In the Orvar deck do you guys think it would be a nice addition adding a Thassa's Oracle to add another wincon? Brewing Orvar right now and this video got me inspired.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

While Thoracle is actually decent in this deck just as a scry engine, it actually isn't very good as a wincon since we really don't need it. Once you have infinite mana and a buyback spell, you can make infinite copies of any creature in the deck! Or just do Twister loops.

[@tonomanero1667]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Thanks for the response! I looked at the list and I was confused to see it's wincons haha, love your content guys! Keep the good work and don't feed the fish!

[@dsnavely13]

One line that the Orvar player could have used to win was to use Whim of Volrath to copy Mana Crypt to be able to hold up Whim of Volrath targeting Archaeomancer for Pact of Negation. Due to having 6 or so Astrolabes at a time, they would've been able to make 3 additional Mana Crypts, and use the other 3 mana for Whims to get back Pacts.

[@snowblind85]

Awesome game guys! Love the Orvar deck!

[@schrottinator]

That Counter-War at the end was insane.

[@SirDoogleBeard]

You guys are amazing and create what I would consider the best content for the cEDH community. Keep doing what you guys are doing and ignore all the shitty people in your comment complaining about what they want. Do what you guys want to do and have fun doing it.

[@DangerKennyB]

Complaints are not about the guys providing the content or how they do it. It's great stuff. The complaints, really, are about the lack of action by the RC on a two-card combo that needs to go, like yesterday. That's not on these guys. That's on the very much asleep at the wheel, Sheldon hasn't lost to it yet in his local group, RC.

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@DangerKennyB with Thoracle gone decks will just move on to Breach Combos, Food Chain lines, etc and people will be calling for those to be banned next. And the RC has already said that they don't plan to ban cards based on power level moving forward because it goes against the spirit of the format

[@Orelusz]

I love Orvar so damn much! Right now my build is still on mid-high end but on a cEDH plan in mind. I think I'll dissasemble certain pieces from other casual decks to power-up my Orvar even more. Loved the Astrolabe, would it work the same with something else?

[@forgottenone5843]

I think it would work with others but astrolabe is the best since it cost 1 while most others cost 2.

[@Orelusz]

@@forgottenone5843 thank you! I think I got one astrolabe for spare around so will try it.

[@eyeh0]

Mike actually drew the other good one, Divining Top. It’s another copiable draw outlet for only 1 mana. Top tokens being tokens are practically “tap: draw a card, sac Top.”

[@artbykaleb9527]

So whim of volrath doesn’t have to do anything to resolve? I assumed if there wasn’t anything happening it would fizzle. That’s crazy strong that you only need to target to get the copy

[@NguyenTran-cx3uy]

Whin of Volrath resolves each time. It just has no effect besides returning to the hand from buyback. You are correct about the targeting though.

[@artbykaleb9527]

@@NguyenTran-cx3uy that’s interesting I never knew. But there has to be a legal target though? A card like Kenrith’s Transformation can’t be played without a target just to draw a card right?

[@khurgar8120]

@@artbykaleb9527 Kenriths transformation has a target, just like whim of volrath. Whim doesnt target a word, it targets a permanent, and if that permanent has a line of text it could change it changes it. You have a similar thing in Pyro/hydroblast where you can target any permanent, and when the spell resolves it destroys it if the color is blue/red respectively.

[@artbykaleb9527]

@@khurgar8120 A card like Kenrith’s Transformation can’t be played without a target just to draw a card right?

[@khurgar8120]

@@artbykaleb9527 correct, you need to target a creature with it, and it needs to resolve and enter the battlefield.

[@koenburghout9349]

great game! I'm new to cEDH and these videos help me understand everything a little better. Where is the playmat of Ryan from?

[@yerrowcookie]

Lovin the three man pods guys!

[@GhostTradingDane]

It's a shame Charles didn't 0 the Gideon instead of preventing orvar from dealing damage. It would have prevented another thassa's oracle win, or at least forced him to play around it.

[@braingasm1348]

I get things happen but as a fellow orvar player, it's super rough seeing that game. So many missed opportunities but glad to see orvar in cedh. Good game

[@waterywaffles]

could someone explain how mike was able to get 9000 islands?

[@lucarr1041]

When you take a good few mins to realise Arcum's Astrolabe isn't there for fixing

[@Spoodlewok]

What is the loop he did to create infinite lands?

[@jamespearce5918]

@Playing with power what was the loop that got mile all the islands? I don't see it 🤔 9:39

[@Skochtape]

Super late, but Sapphire Medallion covers the buyback cost of Whim. So Mike casts Whim for one blue, with free buyback, and makes a copy of an island. Then he uses the island copy to pay to cast Whim, then does it again, again, again, and again, etc.

[@cmdrsausage]

Great game guys, really like the Orvar deck but man was Mike Greedy, capital G!

[@hellboybetas]

Mike plays with proxies?

[@TheDejectedArtist]

I really thought Orvar was going the distance.

[@drorian]

it's over 9000!!!! cmon where's this comment?

[@overweightactor]

Wait- The point of Kodama/Sakashima is using Sunscorched Desert as a wincon? [Desire to know more intensifies.]

[@elvis_leong]

Ah yes my slithery boi Orvar.

[@Drezha3]

Random question. At around 12:00 when the stack was resolving and cards where being put in grave, why didn’t Mike play whims targeting archeomancer to get the counterspells back to again respond to the consultation? If I’m not mistaken whims is still in hand and an instant, and Mike has 9k untapped islands.

[@Halinn]

He had 9k _tapped_ islands, because he needed to tap them to play whim continuously

[@Drezha3]

Ok thank you. I completely missed that they had to be tapped lol.

[@funsponge9099]

I recently made an orvar deck and had a question, with mirror box out do spells you target orvar with create tokens of orvar?

[@Jessejohnson2695]

I recently made a Orvar deck as well, but orvar says “other permanents” so I don’t think targeting him works to make a copy of him

[@Darkogazza]

Mike's proxies looked sweet. Any way we can get a link on where to get them?

[@fin8178]

Also interested! That extended art archaeomancer is really cool

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

MPCautofill.com/guide is where to start! It takes some time but is very worth it if you're looking to get into cEDH cheap!

[@adfinder5791]

How can you cast clock spinning on sapphire medallion?, doesn't it need a counter on it

[@dustyherrin27]

Awesome game guys, any of the guys have a Xantcha deck?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Used to a long time ago. It kept getting errata'd out of being good.

[@fabioarturospada4178]

Kroxa has a very similar play pattern [infinite mana wins on the spot, anytime] and is in the same colors, if you're interested.

[@dataghost2307]

What did we do to deserve so much content? I'm so happy I could cry! 🥺

[@PineConeNW]

Its all the same content since thoracle wins every time

[@Razzia334]

@@PineConeNW it's literally the same video every time with slightly different commanders.

[@robertmendez8383]

I own a Silas/ Rograc partner deck and an Orvar deck lmao. Great minds think alike 😂

[@remyremz6639]

Im so tempted to try that orvar build I love It!!

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Highly recommend!

[@forgottenartificer]

Loved it!

[@bigchillin9716]

How does the Whim of Volrath land combo work? With buyback doesn’t it make it cost 3 to do each time?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Sapphire Medallion reduces the buyback cost, and since I had 2 copies, it only cost a single blue mana to cast and buyback.

[@wordofmouse5400]

I have a mighty need for Ryan's playmat

[@BigDrew49]

How is Rhystic Study a valid target for Whim of Volrath if it doesn't have any color words or land types on it?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It’s not a requirement of the card to be a valid target.

[@BigDrew49]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG ah thanks I see that now in the cards rulings. I've been playing since Alliances and I still get surprised by stuff like this!

[@elipetrou9308]

Mike deserved that win, good game though, but it was really good to see a different type of deck that isn’t thoracle

[@smegmalasagna]

What exactly was the loop to create 9001 islands?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Whim of Volrath was reduced through Two Sapphire Medallions. So the buyback is free. Cast Whim, target an Island. Orvar will trigger, creating a copy of that island. Whim will resolve and will go back to your hand. Use your new created island to cast it again. Rinse and repeat.

[@bruhensant]

Orvar MVP, NICE GAME

[@David-xw7wg]

i'm dumb. whats orvar's wincon?

[@Orelusz]

Blue Sun's Zenith

[@David-xw7wg]

@@Orelusz thanks

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

What Orelus said, also you can use buyback spells to make infinite copies of any creature in the deck once you have infinite mana.

[@danielcarrillo4800]

Such a cool game, showing if the stax permanents are helping you do not remove them unless your winning haha, excelent game last interaction was *muac cheff kiss*

[@sandwichxiii]

How did Mike loop Will of Volrath? I don't understand how he was able to pay the buyback each time, as sapphire medallion wouldn't reduce the additional cost, correct?

[@Saldorio]

He had 2 medallions

[@aeneas1677]

nah it does work- buyback states 'You may pay an additional [cost] as you cast this spell. If the buyback cost was paid, put this spell into its owner’s hand instead of into that player’s graveyard as it resolves.)' and cost reduction applies after you cast the spell, so at the same time as you can play buyback, which is why the buyback is free

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

Lol that damn demon fish 😂

[@fin8178]

Where did Mike get all those sick alters?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

The deck is all proxies :) I own most of the deck, but I liked it enough to keep it proxied so I have it together all the time!

[@fin8178]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG nice!! Any hints as to where we could get some of those proxies?

[@Orelusz]

Oh wait... I just got it why exactly 9001 islands... because IT'S OVER 9000!!

[@khurgar8120]

That meme is older than the internet and you felt like admitting to not getting it? :P

[@Orelusz]

@@khurgar8120 I was too focused on the game that I didn't catch it at first tbh

[@khurgar8120]

@@Orelusz yeah, was an intense game for sure 😁

[@Sprakenheit]

Is there any other win con for blue that is not a lab maniac-ish combo?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

There are lots. It’s hard to describe in one post, but they involve things like timetwister loops and such.

[@Sprakenheit]

I guess that lab maniac combo is just the most simple and consistent

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Wow, huge congrats to Ryan on being able to edge out that win *one* turn ahead of when Mike would definitely have taken it. It must have been so stressful having to keep committing interaction into triple rhystic study. I'm also curious as to who drew the most cards this game, did mike outdraw Ryan's Peer into the Abyss with triple rhystic and multiple astrolabe copies?

[@Winterhe4rt]

I feel like Mik wasted all his mana in the turn cycle so he couldnt counter Ryans combo properly.

[@nazgir5343]

Lots of comments but no one seems to have noticed that at 4:35 Mike uses mana crypt to activate arcum's astrolabe. Last time I checked, mana crypt isn't a snow permanent.

[@nazgir5343]

And again at 9:20, using the mana from Ancient tomb...

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

You can use non-snow mana to activate it. You just need snow mana to cast it. That's kinda the point of Arcum's. Put non-snow mana into it to produce snow mana. That's why it's a snow permanent.

[@nazgir5343]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Oh, I TOTALLY misread that card, wow. Derp.

[@ratswollem]

You guys are the best! I love everything about your vids! May I request/recommend changing your intro greeting to a fun non-gendered alternative? For example: "Frrrriends and enemies, paupers and peasants"

[@jamiewisdom]

this

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We will be updating this soon, thanks for the feedback :)

[@GnowNitsujL]

What are those Orvar cards? Are those real or altered proxies? They look incredible!

[@TwillyZXY]

Proxies I'm sure. I have similar art cards proxied and thought they looked familiar!

[@gael_le_cruel]

I've googled a few of them, they are proxies indeed but there are some great designs. I loved the adventure style cyclonic rift !

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

The full set is proxies! I also have a ton of token proxies for the deck for multiple Sol Rings and things like that.

[@GnowNitsujL]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG if you don't mind me asking, where did you get them? I would be very interested in getting some high quality proxies.

[@boppysenpai768]

why are people running heliod god of the sun over heliod sun crowned?

[@xsorrowxkingx5051]

Sun-Crowned is a combo with Walking Ballista and is extremely predictable. It's better to throw opponents off by shelling that in god of the sun and use it as a secondary line while staxing the board and using combat beats to do most of the work.

[@PrairiePridePoultry]

What happened to the Mox Pearl Patreon level?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We discontinued it for the time being.

[@PrairiePridePoultry]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Why? Just curious...was hoping to be on an episode some day, I really enjoy the channel

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

@@PrairiePridePoultry It became a lot for the team to do. There was a big burnout that happened. Also, it got to the point where all the videos on the channel were Mox Pearl games. We didn't want that to be the only part of the channel, so we backed off of them for the time being. It's not to say it won't ever return, but it's not coming back for now.

[@MintyMagicMTG]

Did Zack just exile a Pact of Negation for FoW? What a power move

[@Magnet977]

"Mike cast whim of volrath, with buyback."

[@iambensummers]

Not countering the Peer into the Abyss was a big mistake (assuming he had them in hand). Always assume that card wins your opponent the game.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It's not that he couldn't counter it, he just didn't have the interaction at the time.

[@white2840]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I'm guessing he drew the interaction off the rhystic triggers

[@GHSTKamiKaze]

Is Charles the only Mox Pearl patron? I've only seen him in games. Maybe I just haven't paid enough attention. Lol

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We have 5 at a time total. We cannot commit to any more.

[@t3bld846]

Virtual musical chairs? Can someone explain how that even works

[@trashbat999]

i’m disappointed there aren’t 9001 island tokens in play

[@WillianMates]

Why Charles doesnt play with Heliod, Sun-Crowned? He is the mono white staple. About the game, it is the first time I really enjoy seeing a consultation line winning, heheheeh.

[@jinshootingstar]

He doesn't like it. He prefers combo-less decks.

[@xandermarron6914]

Orvar Gang

[@bluedemonnn]

Ryan likes his chicken spicy lol

[@theexaminer4906]

Buyback spell + Crypt + Astrolabe was an infinite card draw combo, I wonder why Mike missed it

[@MM-oz9nx]

That would be because it isn’t infinite. In order for this to be infinite, you need infinite blue. One blue to copy mana crypt, and one blue to create astrolabe. In order to filter the mana through Astro, you have to tap it, which then only results in one blue mana. To recap, two blue mana for two copies that achieves one blue mana from the copies. So, you are capped by the blue mana you have.

[@ronalrodriguez4376]

How does he loop to get 9001 lands?

[@iambensummers]

Target land with buyback. The buyback cost is reduced due to double Sapphire Medallion. So the card becomes "U: create a token that's a copy of target permanent". The lands come in untapped, so he uses each new one to create another

[@EragonTheDragonRider]

2 shapphire medallions = 0 buyback cost, he needs one blue mana to cast Whim of Volrath for the first time and the untapped island copy provides for the next cast

[@crovax1375]

Makes how many islands?! Lol

[@justingolden21]

Why would Mike not just counter the peer and instead wait for him to draw half a deck of counter spells and win cons and then try to counter? Maybe he thought he'd draw a lot off of rhystic and Ryan wouldn't win on his turn? That Orvar deck looks awesome

[@MM-oz9nx]

I suspect it is because he didn’t have it. He kept casting counter spells after resolving rhystic triggers, so he must have been drawing into them as Ryan was going for the win.

[@justingolden21]

@@MM-oz9nx Ah that makes sense. I thought he had the fierce guardianship in hand for some reason

[@ricardogrejo1985]

He could have copyed mana crypt 2-3 times just to activate the astrolabes, copying the archaemoancer and casting de counter

[@MisshuVRC]

I see kodama i click

[@RomanNumerDos]

I've never understood why people cast mana crypt and they don't use it the turn they cast it. Zack took 3 dmg unnecessarily because he cast it one turn 1.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Because wheels exist in this format. You can easily lose it. 3 damage is very inconsequential in a 40 life format.

[@MM-oz9nx]

Hand disruption in the form of a wheel. Mystic remora and rhystic study adding a tax. Playing against a stax deck in this particular pod which might add taxes or make uncastable later.

[@CharlotteMimic]

I was surprised Charles never emblemed Gideon. And didn't Mike have infinite cards with Whim on Mana Crypt -> Whim on Astrolabe? I suppose he was worried he would run out of mana and die to infinite Mana Crypts on his upkeep lol

[@khurgar8120]

He only gets a single astrolabe each cast, how would he go inf with that? In order to fix mana he needs both a crypt and an astrolabe in play. He gets 1 blue mana from it but he needs 2 to go inf since he needs to keep copying 2 different permanents.

[@CharlotteMimic]

@@khurgar8120 ah you are right

[@noehonegger4624]

Personally i like making infinite thoracles or jaces with orvar

[@steven6666600000]

Another Thassa's Oracle win, how original. Was pretty fun to watch up until then lol.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

If you’re not into thoracle wins, I’ve got some bad news…

[@steven6666600000]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG oh yeah I know it's a Cedh staple combo, but it's just so boring to watch happen. Like he hardly had a presence that game while the other three players were going off and then it's just "okay I win now off the most boring combo in the game".

[@chaelsonnen1]

insane lol

[@KenBaumann]

I learned a lot from that patience on the win attempt! Impressive.

[@ivorymantis1026]

Mike... You literally had the game. You had 9001 islands. Why did you counter canonist? You literally had the white player under your control. And you threw it all away for yet another goddamn Thoracle win.

[@mysterygamer4086]

man you know that a combo is busted as hell when the announcer says its discusting

[@chiefchowmein5498]

Can't even see Mike's playmat....all I see is cards lol

[@MexiPerplexi]

Not gonna lie, that Oracle win felt SUPER cheap. This is the first time I've actually been genuinely annoyed by the outcome of a game. Mike had that game utterly stolen from him by the cheapest wincon in the format.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Peer into the Abyss drawing him half his deck is what won the game, honestly. I didn't feel cheated at all. -Mike

[@SirDoogleBeard]

Not to mention Mike has already admitted me made a misplay that cost him the game it wasn't stolen. He had the opportunity and went for it.

[@rodrigoquiroz]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG keep telling yourself that buddy.

[@TheQueerLeaf]

Boop

[@benjamincarter6095]

Sushi is still relevant

[@grantbosworth6418]

Only problem I have with CEDH is forbidden tutor/thassa. Almost every game ends with them or revolves around them. Gets kinda boring.

[@LuisBarrim]

People need to put Trickbind in their lists. Demonic Consultation resolves. Is Oracle trigger still on stack? Trickbind it. It resolves, due Split Second. Do you have the resources to bounce Oracle and play him again this turn? Yea, I didn't think you had.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

The issue there is that Trickbind is very situational, and you'll spend a lot of time with it just sitting in your hand.

[@TheGoodchildOne]

orvar is disgusting... I love it