I Wish I Knew About These 7 Budget Campers Sooner!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I have created full walkthrough tours of every trailer seen in this video (minus one). Links in description below! Also did I miss any? Let me know if you think there is a trailer that should have made our shortlist.

[@bryandale7125]

Kids these days love their way-overused catchphrases like super this and super that, a ton of this and a ton of that, even when they're not talking about weight. LOL!😂

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@bryandale7125 looks like I’m going to be getting a comment like this from you every time we make a video. I guess if that’s the case I’m going to have to start expanding my grammar. May and I actually talked about this after your last comment. And we agree the way I’m using “ton” does not fit, but when we replace it with other words, it just sounds salesy and corny. when you’re in your 40s, your grammar is pretty solidified. Kicking that out is going to take some effort.

[@l.scales7516]

it could very well be worth it Pw/Ss , try using ' the GO factor ' phrase, this teardrop is ready to GO! toss in some freeze dried packets, fresh H2O, check the batts, check the air load the bedding & G-O GO GO GO! peeps today don't have time to putz around anymore, emergency on works timeline isn't their issue ONCE THE WHEELS LEAVE THE DRIVEWAY! just remind them to turn off the location on their devices! & to turn them back on at their destination, for safety's sake! GO!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@l.scales7516 Love it! Thank you. I just used the go statement in the video I am editing right now. You are absolutely right, I need to use that one more. Because that is exactly what I want, I want to GO GO GO!

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

Hmm... Ok now i'm thinking of stability equations for trailers based on their wheel base vs height... then wondering... Daymak Boomerbuggy x-pro, or the Gio Golf has a 39" wheel base. so a 39" tear drop trailer, with small diesel heater, solar panel, solar generator. using the same wheels as the gio on a light weight chassis. rigged for a single person to sleep... might be just a smidge smaller then a twin bed inside. hehe, rear access mini galley, a little disability camper.

[@jennstuart2031]

Drew, thanks for all you do to support the teardrop community. Its no small thing to travel, shoot, edit, rinse and repeat! Im always smiling after these vids. Love seeing all the different choices out there!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

You understand the process all too well. I must admit though, I still enjoy it! I got lucky picking this hobby to document. I think I would have hated all of this if it was a flyfishing channel Haha.

[@Royal_T]

I have always been amazed by how accurate your information is, after over 20 years and more than 250 teardrops built, I agree with your picks, these all all great campers. Keep up the great work.

[@jgrant4520]

Thanks Drew! It was great to see you list these as they all appear to be great options!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

THANKS BRAD!

[@jeffmatthews3798]

Reading the comments I need to give a different POV. I’ve had fully equipped small campers. I could live in THEM indefinitely with enough solar or plugged in. I was always fixing a plumbing or awning, or appliance issue. Not worth it. My current teardrop ( I’m not listing the brand and starting another discussion, it’s universal) has lots of ‘stuff’, but simpler. First thing I did ( experience is the best teacher) was eliminate all the potential problems. Sink and built in stove were the first to go. I have a work-around that is a lot less PITA. I put a lot of emphasis on good solar and battery, but a rainy week make a plan B required. Cooking over a portable fire pit and doing dishes in a plastic tub are a bonus. The point is, making it less like home and more like ‘off grid sustainable’ just works better if you are REALLY using it where you want to be. Less eventually is better. I camp in places that can require 4x4 tow veh. I’m the camp host because I’m IT.

[@user-dt9mm9tb8e]

After watching your full review of Runaway Trailers I went on Facebook and found a slightly used 6’ Range Runner for sale near me… I’m happy to report I’m now a very happy Runaway owner. I love the empty shell… I’ve made a space that works for me and my pup with room for the occasional guest. I love your videos… thanks for putting in the good work!

[@sierramantrvlnus]

Gosh Drew, all of these trailers have standout features of their own. Great video as always and it must have taken quite a bit of editing. Much love to you and your family as always.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I thought this was going to be an easy edit, because I essentially shot the entire video without bullet points and each shot was one take. Meaning this is stuff I know like the back of my hand. Thoughts I think about every day. But, then I got into the edit and just loved the vibe of this video. So that slowed me down. I wanted to make sure I did it right. These folks have done such a great job standing out within the industry. I wanted to make sure all their efforts were celebrated on our end. Love back to you and your family as well Sean!

[@meltaylor1374]

I love my TC Teardrop, I bought it used and when I called TC to get some info and buy some parts, Todd and Carol treated me as if I had bought it new, I have since met them in person at Expo West they are truly great people to deal with.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Another team Todd and Carol. Love it! Agreed, they are great folks with a great community of TC Trailer owners.

[@Hanginwithherky]

Hi Drew, We are in Costa Rica right now and had no idea you had featured our channel. We got a message from Charles Moman letting us know. We appreciate the mention and all you do for the tiny camper community. Thanks to all who watch our channel.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Wow, you guys are living the dream! Fun to hear from you Ed. Hope all is well. Been praying for you. My uncle has been going through a similar battle like you. He took up boxing as therapy and him and his wife has really been enjoying it. Take care my friend.

[@cherylbarrett2717]

I love Hangin' With Herky, even though I do not have a Runaway, because they are good at explaining how to do things to newbies like me. I also like DIY Outdoor Life for the same reason.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, another hangin’ with Herkey fan! And I agree I love the stuff Bryan‘s doing. It’s the nuts and bolts of small camper trailers that we all need to learn.

[@DerekFrampton]

man... it's ALWAYS great to see ya and a new video. ...all the knowledge! I hope you and your family are doing WELL and THRIVING! Blessings !

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for the kind words and blessings. Same to you and your family Derek!

[@DouglasBarnum]

I think the takeaway for people who may be looking to buy is all of Drew’s picks here are not considered to be in the RV industry. It’s real Americans working hard to make the best product. 😊

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is a really good point! Glad you picked up on that. And it wasn't purposeful. If somebody else was doing it better, I would have highlighted them as well. I get a kick out of seeing these little guys continue to produce better and often times more affordable products then their larger competitors.

[@pjaypender1009]

Camp Inn is definitely part of the RV industry.

[@boehmlauren01]

We picked up our Bend 6x12 TD in May and have LOVED using it this whole summer so far. Space for our XL dog really made the difference with the bunk option. And as you said, the less is more option was just up out alley. We have been able to make it our own and enjoy every second of it.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you so much for sharing this. It's these owner testimonials that really do the talking.

[@OutontheTrails]

We love our TC! We take it out on rough 4x4 trails as much as we can. Todd and Carol and the whole team are so awesome to work with. Every detail of the TD is well thought out. Thanks for another great video, Drew! They’ve helped us over the years decide on which TD to get. 👍

[@PlayingwithSticks]

The TC Community represents! We are getting so many TC comments today. Like I said in the video, they seem to be everywhere lately. I love seeing a vibrant community like this. Also thanks for sharing your experience with your TD, much appreciated.

[@galepayne3866]

Thanks!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Wow! Thank you so much Gale.

[@cengelbart]

Great video! Here’s a TOC for future reference: 0:01 Intro 0:20 #7 Road Toad 2:46 #6 Hiker Trailer 4:47 #5 Runaway Campers 6:53 #4 WeeRoll Trailers 7:23 #3 Bend Teardrop 9:04 #2 TC Teardrops 10:32 #1 Build Your Own

[@Donna-v5t]

Hi Drew. Your videos are so helpful… I bought a Bend teardrop for its simplicity. But thought of so many different teardrops because of your great videos. Thank you for making them and sharing your wisdom with us❣️

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I'm kicking myself now for not mentioning their new Tall Boy. When editing this video it didn't even cross my mind. Glad to hear these videos have been helpful. And great choice on the teardrop by the way!

[@ryanm.9533]

@playingwithsticks Thanks for the content Drew! I bought the Bend 6x12 with bunk and absolutely love it. I just bought a roof top tent for my son since he is 6'2 and started to grow out of the bunk. The tall boy came out not even a year later and now I want one. Lol Dave was so easy to work with!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I wanted one too when I saw it. It looks like a perfect fit for our family. We are going to go with a less is more approach this season to see how it fits us. But I could see the Tall Boy being a great direction to go for our family as well. 6'2" yep, I could see how he is growing out of that bunk. Haha. Love it!

[@marisafrancis4724]

Guess it's time to head out to Bend to film!! 😉 The tall boy came out about a year after we purchased our 6x12 Bend Teardrop and we are a bit jealous for sure. My husband and I love your videos, keep them coming!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@marisafrancis4724 I would love to film that trailer! It's that heading to Bend part that is hard. My family is finally getting a bit of normalcy right now. I'm trying not to ruin that. Haha.

[@OverlandTrailer]

Thanks for the shout-out Drew. This list also reads as a list of most of my friends in the TD world. Top notch people and trailers. BTW - love that thumbnail. That was serial # 0001 from us at Overland Trailer.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I was waiting for the first person to say, "hey, what trailer is that? Now that I know it was #0001, that makes it even more fun to share. As you are already aware, we greatly appreciate all you do for the community. It's been fun getting to know the good guys in the industry.

[@OverlandTrailer]

@@PlayingwithSticks Ha! Well I'm happy to pull back the curtain on that tidbit of OT history. It is a 5'x8' teardrop with a bunk in it - per customer request. Thanks for all you do too Drew. We should catch up sometime.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

At that time was a 5 x 8 common? Or was he kind of going outside of the mold? And yes, we definitely need to catch up.

[@OverlandTrailer]

@@PlayingwithSticks The 5x8 was somewhat common. There were a few companies doing it - TC Teardrops and Camp-Inn being the other main ones. Not a lot of other companies to draw from -besides us few at the time. The DIY community was making a lot of 5x8 (just as they are now). Even purists will deny me putting the name teardrop on a 5x8 but I still do...even with a 5x10 (which is a stretch and probably why Camp Inn doesn't).

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I was never a purist, but I had a hard time labeling a lot of things out there as teardrops. Today, I have given up the fight. I call a Bean a teardrop. A 6x12 a teardrop. I couldnt bring myself to call a standy a teardrop. But then Charles and I started working on my trailer. I didn't want a teardrop shape, but he did. Then one day I realized I would be using the teardrop in cold weather without the top up. In that mode, technically it was a teardrop. So I told Charles, he wins, sometimes we can call it a teardrop. haha. So yes, I have lost the battle.

[@adventuresonwheels5272]

Bend and TC are definitely the tops for me. Highly focused on keeping it practical and functional - and easy to maintain. Not something that te rest of the trailers doesn’t meet, but really loved the outcome of their experience and creativity. Hey Drew: the drums added are fantastic!!

[@adventuresonwheels5272]

Makes me happy to remember to have seen this trailers on your channel, it means I haven’t missed too much! Big fan in here mi compa! Keep up the great work you guys. Good vibes to all your tribe. Have you defined to come and visit us at Baja Serena Rv yet? You won’t regret it!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Bend and TC, nice! That's our style as well. If I didn't have kids and such a busy life at the moment it would be wood built trailers all the way. But, at this stage in life I need something a bit more low maintenance. I have enough things to keep my hands busy for the next 10-20 years. Haha. I think many people don't realize. If you set aside a little time to maintain a wood teardrop they will last for decades. I think sometimes I give off the impression they are just going to rot and shake apart. Yes, these things can happen, but with routine maintenance they will hold up just fine. And I agree it is these creative trailers that don't try and reinvent the wheel that I love. Keep the things that have been working since the 1940s. And make changes to the things that can be improved. But so many manufacturers today are trying to reinvent the entire teardrop and I think they often miss out by throwing out some of the best parts. The parts that have made a teardrop a teardrop for 80 years or more. Glad to hear that about the drums. Lately I have been using less and less music. It has been a nice change, but at the same time the videos need a bit of music for transitions. I was hoping the drums could meet that need, without taking us out of the video. I actually picked up on that one from all the adventure motorcycle videos I watch.

[@milesb4231]

WeRoll is out of Florida. Tom works hard to make quality all aluminum trailers without a lot of frills. I had a lot of customizations done with their help (moving air conditioner location, moving maxxfan location, lowered roof, alucab awning, toolbox, offroad tires, etc). My only real complaint is that they never sent replacement windows when they said they would but that worked out better for me. My front windows both shattered at different times and it was much better to fix it myself with tinted lexan. The brake wiring also got sheered during minor off-road use so I re-routed the wiring up out of the way of boulders and rocks - super easy. I also bent the Dexter axle off-road somehow and got a free replacement from Dexter - no fault of WeRoll. It's a solid trailer for the price.

[@MichelleBoule6]

I'm always happy to see TC Teardrops get some love. I am a proud owner and a huge fan. I looked at a lot of these others trailers you mentioned before I settled on TC. Thanks, Drew!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Wow, another TC member! Love it. Like I said, it seems like they are everywhere these days.

[@suzannecranford6819]

This is full of information and very interesting. Thanks for the tours.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you Suzanne! Comments like this make it all worth it. It feels really good to know these are helpful.

[@chivasmom2024]

I have learned so much from this channel Drew! I decided on the Runaway after they came out with the 6x8x6 (stand up!) Rouser model in 2022. I do like it, and it was not super expensive. I still would rather a 5 foot wide, 5 foot tall model, but the composite is great. BTW, every time I pack my lifetime cooler with ice and food, I remember your packing tips video. It stays cold enough my frozen hamburger didn't thaw for 2 days :) Plus I use a smaller cooler for drinks.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

So neat to hear the videos are helpful. Like you we have been using our cooler again. Crazy how much more life we are getting out of the ice now that we don't skip all the recommended guidelines. I still skip quite a few, but just doing a number of them really made a big difference. I would love to see a Rouser in person one day. The 5'x5' kind of sounds like our Bean. We find that is a nice fit for our family as well. Are their days where I would love the 6' height? Absolutely, but most days the 5' does the job.

[@wildernesshermit]

Another excellent presentation Drew. Informative, straight forward reviewing with nothing hidden or left out including costs. The links are always appreciated. Man, you have the best channel and we thank you.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Wow, thank you. I try my best to listen. It is feedback like this that really guides where this channel goes. So thank you.

[@GeorgeG-kr8zw]

The only thing that scares me about these wonderful 400 pound units is if some person hits your trailer. It would pretty much be trash.

[@shivin1962]

Thanks for giving TCC some love! I've been watching this channel when I was in the market but even a Hiker trailer was outside my price for what I wanted. I landed on TCC 6x8 Kong and have enjoyed our overlanding experience with it.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Another TC community member! I tell you they are everywhere. I love it. Thank you for sharing.

[@ajf5823]

@@PlayingwithSticks ...He said TCC...TINY CAMPER COMPANY! The KONG is the offroad version and it's awesome. Please stop ignoring them!

[@ajf5823]

Tiny Camper deserved more than a passing mention.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Oh, I totally took that as TC teardrops.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I left you a response to this in another comment. There’s no ignoring, I hope you’ll understand what you read it.

[@carltuckerson7718]

All super cool little trailers!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Woot woot! Glad you like them. Good seeing you on here my friend.

[@SteveHicks-q2d]

Gosh, this was great content! The woman hearing $2,800 for her gold was priceless! Great job!

[@s.porter8646]

I love your vids, they're not all fluffy and INFLUENCER RAMBLING

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I really appreciate that. That means a lot to me.

[@s.porter8646]

@@PlayingwithSticks good, keep doing it your way not.... insert babbling KZbinr name .. way, that becomes a 30 min look at me ..

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@s.porter8646 I don't know if you noticed, but I am not really an in front of the camera type of guy. I will do it if I have to. But I much more enjoy telling the story from behind the camera if I can.

[@s.porter8646]

@@PlayingwithSticks yea, you do narration then product focus, not look at meeeee Love it Really hope you and the family come to Japan well host you

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@s.porter8646 We will keep that in minid. We often say we want to make a long Japanese layover one of these years.

[@larryparson9609]

Love the name Road 🐸 toad makes me smile 😃 I go when and where I’m toad😊

[@pjaypender1009]

It would infringe on Little Guy's trademark though. Their trailers have come with "I go where I'm towed to" on the back for years.

[@KateGeiger-x7b]

Love my Runaway Rouser! Budget friendly, lightweight, and we can stand up!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for sharing!

[@KateGeiger-x7b]

You have been really helpful with a lot of it! Love your posts.​@PlayingwithSticks

[@AlFonso-p6p]

Rousers rule!!! No crawling in for us!! 😂😁👍

[@marinbob1]

Thanks Drew. Awesome video! I’ve been on a discovery journey of what’s next after tent camping all my life. After months of research and watching videos, I’ve realized that what I really want for now is a “tent on wheels”. With a hard side to make the grizzlies up in BC and Alaska work a little harder to get me! (My camping partner is an 80lb dog, so tents don’t work in grizzly country.) Your videos have been a huge help. Thank you. Before today, I had it down to between a Road Toad and the very simple Camp Kat from Merkat in San Diego. Now I have a couple more to consider. Goal is to be enjoying the Teardrop camping life by next summer. Thanks for helping me get there!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

This is so great to hear. In my biased opinion I think you are heading in the right direction with your choices. Seems like you have definitely been doing your homework. I'm hoping to put together a video about camping with four legged friends. I have been meaning to shoot one for years, but I just haven't met the right people. This summer I have been running across a lot more campers with dogs. So I'm hoping to have some good info and tips to share with the community at some point.

[@OffGridOutings]

Enjoyed the breakdown, always nice to see new/other companies doing the Teardrop thing!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@CraigG21]

Great list! We love our TC Teardrop! ❤

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I can see why 🙂

[@islandgirlejfan]

Drew, we owned a Tiny Camper Company teardrop before we upgraded to a larger camper due to health.....have you mentioned them elsewhere other than this video? Joe is an amazing guy and his product is amazing! We miss our camper terribly, but things happen....if you haven't, please give his some air time! It is an amazing product!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

To be honest, his prices were so low for years I thought they were cutting corners. It wasn't until just recently I started realizing, hey maybe regardless of this low price, this may actually be a quality trailer as well. And then when they made that switch to composite they really got my attention. The answer to your question...no, I haven't featured them yet. And after studying their business model a bit more, I REALLY need to. Thank you for sharing this with me.

[@islandgirlejfan]

@@PlayingwithStickswe really are fans! I couldn’t even go with my hubby the day we sold our *Minion* (it was yellow and we really loved him!). My diabetes and knee issues became a big problem, so we moved to a larger unit. We were sold on Joe though. He never cut corners and we studied a lot of units! Just an all around great guy….I do miss our *Minion*!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Love the name!

[@ajf5823]

@@PlayingwithSticks ...You couldn't be more wrong! You should check out the offroad Kong. It's a BEAST (That's what I named my Kong) and amazingly solid and well built. Every time I get underneath my trailer I'm awed at how well and solid it's constructed. Joe custom built my Kong to my special specs. I had a Hiker before it and there's no comparison. I can't believe you would actually dismiss a company for offering TOO affordable a trailer! They are a family business that's always trying improve on and bring an affordable quality product to the teardrop community. You really have to check out the Kong XL, which is unique and made for families.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I know that sounds ridiculous. But I know how much these trailers cost to build. And those prices, I know what materials have to be used. So it’s actually a very logical thought. I mean these guys were almost selling trailers at the price at cost to build one yourself. I’m just being honest, that’s pretty rare in the business world. You know I’m honest and I tell you guys everything I believe, if that offends you, just know you’ll keep hearing more of it. I’m going to share my journey with you. I’m going to share my skepticism, my successes, my failures. This is a journey I’m on, and I enjoy bringing people along during the process. And you’ve probably realized by now I love being proved wrong. That’s the whole point of this channel. I’m here to learn and I hope you are too. I’ve been doing this a long time, and have seen a lot of trends, and patterns in the industry. And sometimes that leads to biases where you overlook a great thing. But that’s the beauty of this community, they won’t let me overlook it. That’s why I am vocal about my beliefs and doubts. Takes iron to sharpen iron.

[@kebeaux6546]

Hey Drew!!! I think a basic Road Toad or a basic Hiker Trailier are hard to beat. For my needs they are functional and affordable. Thanks for this "best of" list.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I could see those being a good fit for you. You definitely have similar interests to us.

[@kebeaux6546]

@@PlayingwithSticks ...and LOOK AT YOU... without a cap!! Looking great...very distinguished. I'm the one who need's a cap, not you!1 :-)

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@kebeaux6546 That was one of the videos I made for you last summer. You won't see that hat off for a LONG time. Been growing that hair out. So keeping that hat on. Haha.

[@kebeaux6546]

@@PlayingwithSticks So how short did you cut it then? Did you actually shave it?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@kebeaux6546 Oh the opposite. The longest hair is now past my nose. You convinced I probably won't have this thick hair for long, so I better enjoy it. And May has always been a fan of my longer hair.

[@keitho8131]

Oh my. A VHS. That is awesome

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We drive by the old abandoned video store in my town every day on the way home. I often find myself romanticizing those days as a child where we would take back the last video and pick up the next one.

[@OverlandOrange]

I'm going on my 6th trip since buying my Hiker Trailer Mid Range 5x8 this weekend - I LOVE this thing. Tacoma 4cyl truck is my TV and I strap 2 10' kayaks to the roof - it's been awesome.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for chiming in. I know I have said this to you before, but I love that orange!

[@OverlandOrange]

@@PlayingwithSticks Thank you, sir. It's easy to find our campsite when coming back from the restroom....

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@OverlandOrange and I can imagine when you do a grocery store run there’s no problem finding that vehicle in the parking lot either

[@OverlandOrange]

@@PlayingwithSticks YESSS!! haha.

[@drdeliciousful]

So glad I found your channel!! You know ALL the small campers! I am looking for a garageable camper with A/C that can sleep two kids, two adults and has an outdoor kitchen. I saw the Rog 12bh-are there any others?! Thank you!

[@ItzTheThrill]

Thanks for the content!

[@erickinne5535]

Great video, Drew. Thanks as always! I actually really like that 12’ Bend teardrop. It’s pretty cool that there’s room for a full and a king bed. We picked up our Bean Stock 2.0 about 3 weeks ago, and we love it. We have a FSR Aspen Lite tent on top, and it’s a great setup for the four of us (kids are 12 and 10). That said, we’re used to sleeping in a large tent together, so it’s a little different having two of us in the Bean and two of us on the roof. We kinda miss being all in the same space. But the interior of the Stock 2.0 is really big, and we can hang out in there together, playing games or reading, before we go to sleep. So it’s actually working out great. Can’t wait to see yours when you get it!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Rumor has it that we will be getting ours at Overland Expo Mountain West. That’s the goal anyways. I’m right with you on that adjustment sleeping away from our kids. You may have seen in our past videos, that’s why we actually prefer the side entry tent over the rooftop tent. I think the rooftop tent definitely has its place. But we find it’s so nice to set up that little side entry tent because not only does it make everything just live bigger and better, but even for mom and dad it feels like your teardrop has an additional room. All of a sudden your one room bedroom became a two room house. And then we just leave the door open between the two of them and you really feel like you’re living with the kids.

[@FreysOnTheSide]

What a great line up Drew! Lots a great trailers to pick from.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good to see you Matt! You know we were thinking about you when we made that TC segment. You are really the one that brought them onto our radar. Then, what like a month later, it seemed like TC was on everyone's radar. I think you probably had a big part to play in that.

[@0HARE]

These are some really cool trailers. Thanks for showcasing them.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

You are most welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. Good seeing you.

[@MrMasterSpam]

I really wanted a RoadToad, but... Deliveries are two years out. I ordered a TC and hope to pick it up mid-late Aug.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I like how you think! Those are 2 GREAT trailers. You got more than a trailer coming, you just entered into a family.

[@garretlewis4103]

Good that you are covering some of the budget campers. When we were looking I considered WeeRoll and Run Away. Run Away also builds a gear hauler for those interested. WeeRoll use to; however, they stopped making them.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I really like that new gear hauler of theirs as well. Sylvan Sport just came out with a new one too. I like that it can fold up inside your garage and sit up against your wall. I have never asked you this. Are you from the Southeast area? I just guessed this based on WeRoll and Runaway.

[@garretlewis4103]

@@PlayingwithSticks Yes, Virginia.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is neat to know! Thank you.

[@Chris-wd3sw]

Base Prices: Road Toad - $9,413 Hiker Mid-Range - $8,500 CoolCamp Runaway - $6,000 Ben Teardrop (full built, not base) - $12,000

[@bendteardrop]

Thanks for the shout out Drew! Great video!

[@CinkSVideo]

Love the variety that’s out there. So many options for everyone.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That’s a good summary. We’re in such a good era, in terms of no lack of trailers. I think I just long for the golden era when they used to be more affordable 😆

[@CinkSVideo]

@@PlayingwithSticks Teardrops have that inexpensive home built history, but there are so few still on the road for a reason. Compare that to a Scamp and then you have companies finding ways to make a teardrop that needs little maintenance and has longevity. Throw in the off road/over landing ideas jumping in the mix and the cost goes sky high.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@CinkSVideo Good point about teardrops still on the road. I haven't met one that hasnn't had to go through an entire overhaul.

[@brendapams3413]

Love your videos. I’ll say I’m partial to #2. Inside my TCTD right now at Brimley SP in the UP. Cannot say enough about the customer service and the TCTD family and community.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Woot woot! These are the types of comments I was hoping to get. Thank you for sharing. By the way, we have never been to the Upper Peninsula. But the pictures I have seen, wow!

[@MWDAdventures]

Hey Drew - thanks for all you do for the small trailer community. Thanks for the shout-out 🙂

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey Guys! Great to see you. It's been a while. Same to you. You guys have really been a blessing to the community over the years. I hope you know how much we all appreciate you.

[@markrossnagel4680]

I really like watching and learning from all your videos. Have you ever looked into the Intech Flyer line of Squaredrop trailers? I have a 2024 Intech Flyer Pursue and love it. I did see your video from 3 years ago with the Intech Explore. I opted out of the slide out kitchen and glad I did. My kitchen is now wherever I want it. Stay safe and God bless.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

There’s been multiple times we’ve had the chance to film one, but we always run out of time. I also think one of the reasons I’ve never filmed it is because we have done other Intech models on the channel. I’ve been meaning to film one, because they are doing an excellent job in terms of fit and finish compared to the rest of the larger manufacturers. Thanks for reminding me. I’ll keep an eye out.

[@locker1325]

You sound like your stumping for them. No matter the price . Great value indeed.

[@jackflood2441]

I love TC TearDrop campers!!!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Woot woot! Another TC owner, love it!

[@getlostwhenwondering393]

With it being so light, how does it handle in wind?

[@AlFonso-p6p]

I've heard stories of cars that were made too lightweight and one such vehicle blew off a bridge one time back in the late 80s due to strong winds! There is an inherent danger to being too lightweight!!! I imagine a lightweight trailer could potentially blow away under the right conditions...!? O.o

[@ablokeandablue3125]

Hi Drew, great video as always. I’d like to draw your attention to Rustic Trail trailers. They’ve been in business for for over 12 years building a variety of teardrop/square-ish drop campers. They are made very well and are quite affordable. I have their Kodiak Stealth model and have been living and traveling in it full time for the last 2.5 years. Highly recommend!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

These guys have always been on our shortlist. We almost bought one years ago. The only reason they are not in this video is because I am not familiar enough with them. Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@ablokeandablue3125]

⁠Cool!! I’ll be spending the next year or two exploring western US so if our passes cross I’d be happy to give a tour of my rig. I’m closing in on 1.000 straight nights and about 50,000 miles, mostly off grid, so I reckon I’ve given it a pretty serious test 😊

[@dailyrider2975]

I think the impact of DIYers building lightweight inexpensive trailers from parts off the shelf has had a impact on the thinking of trailer building companies. Options are good!

[@davidpatrick1813]

Very nice tnx

[@dennym1172]

Casita owner. I love it! No problems after 2016

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, I love a Casita. If this wasn't a budget trailer episode, it would have made the cut.

[@larryparson9609]

Happy Trails Thanks 🙏🏼

[@ronb6182]

I will always like this trailer runaway are too small in the cab area I figured the bedding arrangement but it's too narrow width wide and two short length wise I don't know the arrangements in the road Toad yet but I believe being all open the length is long enough plus the doors seem to be larger on the road toad. Thanks for posting you are the guy in small trailers. Thanks again. 73

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Runaway can be a bit deceiving. It looks short and narrow because of the shape. But actually they are quite similar in size to most teardrop trailers. For me I find I like a little more headroom, but in terms of length and width I find them very adequate. I think the Road Toad would be pretty similar in size. Let's just takek a look. Here is Runaway 46.5" wide (but also offers 6' wide) x 94.5" long x 46" high - overall length is 12' 3" and here is Road Toad Cabin Floor 58" wide x 78" (98" if no galley) long x 41" high at vent -overall length is 11' 2". Sorry for the confusing last couple of sentences. I just copied and pasted from the website, with some minor tweaks.

[@teresabradley432]

Am I missing the links to the other KZbin channels you said you were going to link to?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Oh no, I completely forgot. Hang'n with Herky: kzbin.info/door/deAbiqg9p5GqVSlKTndUXQ Charles Moman: kzbin.info/door/e-2iqe00HXfojO2OAq4HRQ Matt and Wendy: kzbin.info/door/pzZgYCx1SUxn3KKYhd9MNA

[@scottstevens6380]

Thank you.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

You are most welcoe Scott. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ShawnCaraher-l7e]

Love what you are doing and have been eyeing some of the companies you have reviewed. Waiting for one more before making our decision, can you review a modern buggy 12lrk?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I have a feeling we Will review them at some point. They reached out to us, I responded and I don’t think they got back to me. But it may just be buried in my spam mail. I’ll have to check again.

[@WKINNEY]

So good, thank you!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jeffmatthews3798]

Another plus for most of those trailers is, most of my camping friends drive smaller more efficient vehicles, some are hybrids. They are very limited on towing capacity. You examples fit the restrictions for weight. If you are moving up from a tent, and drive a hybrid RAV or a Forester you are limited. Those trailers solve the problem.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I like hearing that these trailers fit the bill. We fit into that category as well.

[@davidk6668]

You were a little off when you described Weeroll campers. They are not converted cargo trailers however their larger stand in camper can double as a cargo trailer. Their two basic models are the Gladiator that is a square drop design that can easily go off-road. Their stand in model Nomad is available in many sizes with customizations available. They are all solid strong aluminum except the axle. You will be able to pass these down to your kids. The nice thing is that the inside is empty so you can customize them yourself. I have owned their first square drop named the Wrangler for five years and pull it behind my Jeep all over the US on all kinds of terrain since I like to boondock and have never had any problems.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I'm not sure I understand. Maybe the term converted cargo trailer is vague. You will see our converted cargo trailer soon. No built-in anything. It was a cargo trailer, converted to live more like a camper. Add a window, add a door, you have a converted cargo trailer. That is my definition. Sorry again, for the loose definition. Oh, I see what you are saying..Yes, you are correct. These weren't initially built as cargo trailers, they were built as campers that "look like" cargo trailers. You are right, I need to change my terminology on that. Also, thank you for sharing a bit more about this and your experience with them. I greatly appreciate that.

[@hoff2455]

With so many options and so many price points, I am finding it harder and harder to decide how to narrow down picking a teardrop trailer. We are in PNW (Washington) and may rent a teardrop in OR, perhaps try at least two manufactured in Portland/Bend, but also see several great option in the Midwest. Just installed tow hitch on 2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness (3000 lb) tow rating. Gotta see if teardrop is for us, then the hard part of whom do we select.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, such a great time to buy a teardrop. But such a hard choice to make. I’ve never said this with confidence, but in 24 I can confidently say there’s almost something out there for everyone. I just wish the prices were a little lower 😆 I think that’s a really wise decision renting one first. I fine if you rent a small camper trailer for three days, you’ll know exactly what you need from a trailer after that.

[@mrdave22]

last but not least you included a foamie, God bless you bro

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I literally snuck that in just for you. I almost forgot it.

[@mrdave22]

@@PlayingwithSticks you're the best

[@nonibelland2017]

Drew, we love watching your videos and because of that, we bought a teardrop trailer for ourselves it was made in Canada, and now we have moved to Oregon. We are having a hard time getting licensing and insurance for it. Do you know anything about this kind of situation? We appreciate your knowledge. Thanks!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

First, welcome to the club! Second, what teardrop did you purchase up there? I’m not familiar with many of the Canadian companies and I’m trying to get to know them better. Third, I get you on the licensing part. It’s a real headache because what we find, is each state has different licensing requirements. So much so, that even some manufactures have to finish their trailers in a different state so they can get their trailers easily licensed. I assume based on other government regulations in Oregon, that they’re probably one of the harder ones. The first thing I would look at, is seeing if there’s a loophole. And that loophole would be, do they have an easy Homebuilt licensing process? And basically all this would be, there will be some department there that will do a physical inspection of your trailer just to ensure it safe for the road. And then they would issue a Homebuilt title and sometimes they even issue a VIN for it. I wish I could be more helpful. If you really struggle, I think a great resource would be Mark at Overland Trailer. He’s over there in Idaho and I think now in California as well. He may have some good ideas and he works with so many homebuilders and so many teardrop manufacturers and he’s been in the game for over 20 years. And he loves to help people out.

[@alfamaize]

Drew- any chance you could do a video reviewing the different materials that the composite trailers are made of, and how they seal out water? Especially if the material is available for the DIY maker. I know that DIYers can do various foam builds, but if there's a commercial composite board available that one can get- that's a lot neater than dealing with fiberglass and epoxy (or canvas and paint). Even without the DIY aspect, knowing how the trailers and what out of can really add to the buying knowledge.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That would be a good video. Short answer though. There are a lot of materials that come together more like a puzzle piece, but that means you will always be dealing with seams. The only way to truly seal a teadrop is to eliminate seams. As I mention in many videos with all the different frequencies of microvibrations your trailer experiences on the road...over time those seams will start to separate. I've seen folks cover over those seams with products like raptor liner, but only time will tell. The messy wo,rk with fiberglass and epoxy, while messy in my opinion is still the best trailer in terms of maintenance and leaks. However, what is a leak when all you have to do is locate it, wipe the water out, and shore up that seam or leak point. So regardless of seams or not, I still think composite is a great option. If you want to see the material I would choose, go check out our Road Toad video. In the comments if you dig hard I left a comment from Road Toad identifying what the material is. I wish I could be more helpful, but I can't remember the name off the top of my head.

[@alfamaize]

@@PlayingwithSticks In this one, you mentioned a few different seam bonds- I thought one was chemical and the other thermal... But I'll go look at the RT video.

[@alfamaize]

@@PlayingwithSticks For those reading all of these discussions, I found what Drew mentioned in his Road Toad review- it's Alumilite and Omegabond

[@Bluesky1ification]

Could you do a review on the Cedar Ridge Vega XT Tear-drop trailer please 🙏

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It’s on my shortlist for Overland Expo Mountain West

[@Bluesky1ification]

@@PlayingwithSticks Awesome!. Thank you

[@leonr824]

Hello, which one of these trailers could be pulled easily and comfortably behind on 1100 the star Yamaha thank you

[@danielspencer5023]

We love the concept of the Tear/Square Trailers. However, our biggest question is what do you do for a bathroom?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Most of us either have an instant pop-up bathroom tent at the campsite or we attach what we call a side entry room to the trailer. Our family prefers the side entry room because it's attached to the door. So essentially it just adds an additional room to the trailer and when you go in at night to use the toilet you never are exposed to the elements or other campers

[@AlFonso-p6p]

I have a 6x8 standy style camper and believe it or not I installed a plastic toilet/black tank on that thang!!! XD These days you can build all sorts of stuff thanks to amazon goodies and youtube d.i.y. videos!! I have no real training or skills to speak of but even i could follow simple step by step instructions online. It all depends how far you're willing to go and invest. I highly recommend doing your own plumbing. It's much more dignified than having to go outside hauling your own waste into a public restroom or having to go outside in the middle of the night where anything can happen to you. Bug bites to bear bites to raving lunatics to saucer abductions! O.o Best to just not deal with any of that stuff and just go in your own private/safe restroom space. ;)

[@daniellatiolais8090]

I wish you would review the Ukancamp teardrop trailers

[@PlayingwithSticks]

This is still a new one to me, I've never found anybody with one on the road, or at a rally, or at an expo. But if I see one, I'll make sure to get inside and do a review

[@kenp8991]

I’ve seen most of your videos but I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention wander teardrops…have you heard of them? My instagram feed always suggests them. From their posts on instagram it looks like sell you complete kits to your liking and then you complete the build. Would be interested in watching a video about them

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good observation. I actually almost mentioned them for the first time in this video. But, then I thought about my title and intro and realized I probably shouldn't throw out a name of a company I am not very familiar with. However, from a distance they seem to be doing a LOT of things right. I would love to highlight them sometime.

[@kenp8991]

@@PlayingwithSticks I’ve been so tempted to order from them but the needs and wants that I want from my trailer I’m designing it will have to be a custom home build before

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I would be interested in what support they offer for those who want to stray a bit from their plans.

[@markmcgonigle1982]

Hey Drew, awesome video as always. Could you checkout the Modern Buggy lineup of teardrops and review them as well? They’re a front runner my family is considering but would love to hear your thoughts on them.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I've had a number of people request this, but I just haven't had the opportunity to see one yet in person. Thank you for this. I will keep my eye out.

[@ruthmcbride3419]

Have you reviewed Oregon Trail-R?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, I think we've done two videos on them. Sorry, off the top of my head I cannot remember the titles. Just found one kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGmziH18YsiUrtE

[@rafterwhomestead]

Have you Seen Tusca Outdoors foam set on camper? Very minimalist, I mean very but also very versatile and affordable.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I love it! If I could get my hands on one I have a great idea for a video.

[@rafterwhomestead]

@ I can see if I can dm you one of the inventors phone number. I’ve been on the fence of becoming a dealer for them.

[@rafterwhomestead]

@@PlayingwithSticks I emailed you contact info for them. Looking forward to seeing something!

[@luapbopbop]

Nice video. I would like to see you review the Aliner Ascape Amp.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Me too! I haev been trying to track one of these Ascapes down. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@RompRat42]

I wish Aliner would begin making their Alites again...

[@saxomophonist]

Have you considered reviewing the MDC Forte9+?? It's being compared with teardrops

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We typically stay under the 3000 pound range. Even anything over 2000 pounds is a bit of a stretch for us.

[@saxomophonist]

​Fair enough. I think it's 3090 pounds ​@@PlayingwithSticks Just would have loved the perspective of a teardrop camper on it

[@scottymcm]

Would have been really nice to see links to these manufactures.

[@kodeykesler7338]

How do you feel about the modern buggy? I can’t find any reliable info about them.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

At first, I was skeptical, but I had a call with them last winter and I think they’re pretty legit. I hope to get a video out of them sometime.

[@kodeykesler7338]

@@PlayingwithSticksIm thinking about going iwth them because they have a lot of the features I need in the price range I need. Looking forward to the video. yours are always so in depth

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I thought they were from the large RV industry. While they are located in that region, they’re doing a lot of custom made to order trailers. Meaning they’ve experimented with a lot of things and are kind of like a small ma and pa business, but I assume loosely connected to the large RV industry based on their location.

[@s.porter8646]

Come to japan and check out the 300-x

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I would love to make a trip over there. I’m really big into small motorcycle camping. I have a Honda super cub that I outfitted just from inspiration from all the Japanese camping videos I watch. It would be so fun to do a trip over there that revolves around both of my loves, small camper trailers and small moto camping.

[@s.porter8646]

@@PlayingwithSticks the campgrounds here are so awesome, you can show up with a hammock or a RV, and everyone is even, lot of cool bonfires parties too. The place we got the 300-X from case a campground, so you don't have to own a trailer, just bring your clothes

[@gjonmayerhofer9413]

I am looking for someone who either has a 4 ft kitchen used or willing to build to go in my cargo trailer. Any suggestions . I would like some ideas.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That's a good question. I am currently in the process of researching camp kitchens, chuck boxes, etc. I haven't come across anything yet that matches your request. I'm not sure if they are still in business, but Tristen from Steelhouse Fabrication has something that I think might meet you needs. Let me see if I can find it....It looks like he doesn't offer it as stand alone anymore. And his new one looks nothing like what he used to offer.

[@DavidJohnson-cv3uh]

Price and towing weight is my biggest concern. I can only tow around 1500 lbs in my Honda CR-V, plus i probably won't be ready to purchase untill after the first of the year 2025

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Those are both very valid concerns.

[@l.scales7516]

David, put some $ down on something now with a reliable seller & have them use that as a sort of retainer with the proviso that if something that would suit comes in at the right price, that they call you first about it, I'm saying this cause in August( I'm in Cali, high desert foothills, near P.S.) alot of peeps who've just bought find out that tiny camper life can be hot hot hot & decide to switch to the coolth of a hatch back pop up! saves some gas $ boondocks can be anywhere just about.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Good stuff 👍

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey Patrick!

[@GunNut37086]

My 9 yr old grandson is my camping buddy. He's already pestering me for a stand-up camper. It'd likely have to be composite because my Jeep is limited to 350 tongue weight. Anything out there under $20K?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I think the Rouser from Runaway comes in under that. The new Tallboy from Bend comes in just at or over $20K. Any used Scamp or Casita (that would be my first choice). That is where I would start.

[@GunNut37086]

@@PlayingwithSticks You are the best, Drew, thanks. I'll check those out.

[@MudflyWatersman]

No trailer without air conditioning is even remotely acceptable in most of the country... Most of the year. You have to have AC and even if you got to run it off a Honda EU2000. It's very simple to use small window units that only cost $150 to $250.

[@SmoochieMcgoo]

When I was doing research on my trailer, I decided that wood was a deal breaker. I needed zero wood in my build. That narrowed down my options significantly. I also decided 4 wide is too narrow, and 6 wide is too wide for going down trails. So, I needed composite, and 5 wide. That eliminated Runaway from my list. Basically, the only company that makes what I want, and is still affordable (under $10,000 well-equipped) is Tiny Camper Company. So, I now own a 2023, Tiny Camper Company, 5x8, "Adventure Quad Off-Road" and love it. Goldilocks sizing, composite, light weight (not road toad light, but still light), rugged, insulated too. I highly recommend. The owner, Joe, is an amazing person. I also recently came across another small company out of Maine called Axelcamp. They use a PVC material that I suppose counts as a composite. Pricing on these are competitive too. They start around the $10,000 point too. A unique feature from this company is that they offer trailer rentals for those people that want to have the trailer-camping experience, but don't want to spend the cash to actually own one.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I've been spending the last 20 minutes checking out Axlecamp. They are new to me. Love the unique designs and use of space. Thank you for sharing this.

[@ajf5823]

Oh look, another favorable comment about Tiny Camper Company! Seems people are indeed interested in this company after all! 😄 I came to the same conclusion about the benefits of a 5x8 over the too wide 6x8 for going off road and wanted more space than a 4x8. And I didn't want wood either. Plus TCC built to my specifications with lots of options and add ons that other companies, such as Hiker, wouldn't allow.

[@earthkarma7420]

Great information.

[@Steezishxx]

What trailers do you think have the least maintenance and longest lifespan on the market? Thanks!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is a hard question. From my experience it would be a Scamp or Casita. And then second would be any style of trailer that uses the same materials or build processes. You see these two trailers all over the country. People living in them full time, and decades old (the trailer, not the people). The trick is to find something with a minimal number of moving parts and components that do not require a lot of servicing. Basically a paired down bare bones trailer, preferably composite materials to weather the storms.

[@Steezishxx]

@PlayingwithSticks ah sorry, I meant teardrop size / style trailers. I've heard alot of good things about Scamps but I'm a sucker for teardrops.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@Steezishxx That makes sense. That one is tougher. And that is because there are teardrops built like Scamps, but they haven't been on the road long enough for me to say confidently that they will last 40-50 years. Bean and Escapod would be the two that on paper are built to last the longest. Composite but frames and suspension built for offroading. Bean offers more paired down models, so not only would they be more affordable, but less to go wrong. And then from there you have the Road Toad, Runaway, and Tiny Camper like I mentioned in this video. Also using composites, but not one piece fiberglass shells like Bean and Escapod.

[@garychiang2568]

How about featuring restoring an old boler?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That's funny, I was just thinking about this. There was an old boler for sale in our town. Got me thinking...

[@garychiang2568]

@@PlayingwithSticks I’ve been watching your channel and have been a longtime subscriber. A teardrop was too small and confined for our family of four, and most other trailers were too heavy to pull with our small truck (maverick hybrid) but we ended up purchasing a 13 foot 1974 boler for $7500 with a great chassis and shell and then redoing the inside. For us it was perfect, a hard shelled portable space with a sink for under 10k Canadian and less than 1400 lbs which could be pulled easily.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

The boler is such a great fit for most of us. What you said here is exactly why it's a great fit! Thanks for sharing.

[@whiteknight0275]

Hey! Why don't you have a review of the bushwacker series of teardrops?!? If you do, it's not easy to find! I'm only asking because I trust your reviews. And I've found them at prices way lower than a lot of the other teardrops you review. Plus, they usually have financing available. Just saying. Thanks really enjoy and trust your reviews.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Great question. We actually do. I cannot remember the name of it. I think the title something like people are buying this controversial trailer. If you search our videos by most viewed, it’s one of our top viewed videos. I think you’ll really like it because it’s with an owner of the trailer.

[@whiteknight0275]

@@PlayingwithSticks Thank you! I found it. Yeah, you had the guy on who turned me on to Bushwacker. Very good and informative video. I would definitely go with this over the overpriced custom built teardrops. The flaws are there, but they're nothing major. It's better to have a few flaws and be able to get the trailer right away and get it financed. As opposed to putting a massive down payment before they will even start the build. Then waiting 6 months to a year before you actually get the trailer. Then having to give the rest of the money right up front. Most of these custom manufacturers really need to look more closely into reducing costs and financing options. Just my two cents. Thanks again.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Interesting

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Let me know which trailer interests you most once you get to the end, I’d love to know. I realize I haven’t asked you many questions over the years. I’m not even sure what you’re into.

[@schakravarthi]

I was searching for a teardrop that will fit our family of 4. Seemed like the only option was a rooftop tent. But then we got a 6x12 bend teardrop after watching your video. We still have the option of rooftop tent if the kids chose so. So far been great. Pulling it has been so easy! Almost got the tall boy but it wouldn’t fit in a standard garage.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I'm like you, I really like that Tall Boy. But if I am being practical and honest with myself, I think a regular or 6x12 teardrop would be a much better option for our family.

[@WildcatPhoto]

I like the composite idea, but seems awfully lightweight. I just went on a trip where the last six miles were horrible gravel washboard. Loaded, my Little Guy is probably 2,000 pounds and bounced around plenty. Maybe should have let some air out of tires. Anyway, I wonder what 400 pounds would do on such a road. I seem to get into these fixes too often. I knew a lady with a TC; she really liked it, but later got a deluxe van that suited her better.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I have been a small camper enthusiast since I was a child. I was towing trailers behind my scooter, 4 cyclinder vehicles, farm equipment, etc. And they all towed awful! Haha. Then I finally towed a small trailer that had properly derated axles. WOW! what a difference. Since then I have towed multiple sub 1000lb trailers that towed like a dream, and countless that towed awful! I came to the conclusion that it isn't necessarily weight, but how those axles are rated. And that can be tough for manufacturers because you have to predict what your average user/camper will be hauling in his/her trailer. Now 400lbs and that sort of height, I have never experienced myself. Typically with that weight I am towing some sort of utility style trailer. So I can't speak to the Road Toad. But, I would love to try it out someday. I have towed a few 600-800lb trailers down rutted roads and barely noticed it was behind me. That is where my love of the Dexter Torsion Axle came about. I always overlooked it as an inferior budget option. But once I towed trailers with the Dexter's dialed in for the weight, it was very convinced that this was as close as you can get to a true independent suspension. Technically each side of the axle moves independently of the other. I digress. Haha. All to say I think it's possible, but I would need to test something down as low as 400lbs to say that statement with 100% conviction. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I bet this will get some future conversations going.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Is your little guy dexter torsion?

[@WildcatPhoto]

@PlayingwithSticks yes, it is. But I've often thought I should let a little air out of the tires. Luckily, the pintle hitch doesn't let it bounce off. Things in the galley stayed pretty well in place which surprised me, as I have lots of pots and utensils back there.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

If the overlanders do it, it probably wouldn't hurt if we did as well. I don't ever air down, but I probably should. I'm glad you brought this up.

[@ajf5823]

@@WildcatPhoto ..You should air down your tires. Makes a huge difference in ride. Timberen also blows away Dexter when it comes to ride and handling.

[@charlesmoman]

Thanks for including us in your video Drew! I was watching it and was surprised to see Susie and myself plus Ed and Nancy. It was a fun surprise. We loved our years with both of our Runaways and we continue to promote them in anyway we can. We still attend Runaway rallies and we’re at one in Terre Haute, Indiana in June. Great video. Our best to you and your wife. Blessings!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey Charles! Good seeing you my friend. You know I still use that Tail Gator Tire Table you had them sent our way years ago. I would say I use it on every trip. Or almost every trip. That's neat that you made it to a rally. I also like hearing they let you in. Runaway made a little comment to me that maybe they wouldn't let me in if I didn't own a Runaway. I wasn't sure if it was a joke or him being serious. Haha. I may have to try my luck one of these years getting in with a different brand. Blessings to you as well brother.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

Composite materials - There are some downsides to very light trailers. light weight trailers with large surface areas can be affected far more by wind, especially burst effects from passing vehicles. they can also suffer a "bounce" effect, where when being pulled by a heaver vehicle at speeds, and you hit a pothole or such... while the vehicle might bounce a little bit, the much lighter trailer can be tossed around leading to control or hitch issues. Industry not wanting you to come back in the door - *Coughs* your telling me... warranty claims for some companies are nuts. even with Big name RV manufacturers trailers can spend half their first year in shops getting warranty repairs. And the company will fight every minute for a way to cancel or void said warranty. - that might be an interesting topic and thing to look into. Warranty stories and policies for some of these companies...

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That burst effect makes sense. I forgot to consider that. As for bounce effect, I get that as well, but I am still optimistic. I have taken out some very light trailers with derated axles that towed like a dream. I have had this experience a few times with trailers 600-900lbs. But usually the experience isn't good. I would love to take out the Road Toad and see how something of this size, but at only 400 lbs would tow. I'm always taking into consideration typical ruts, washboard roads, small potholes. But you bring up a good point with things that actually could make the trailer go airborne. That is something I also didn't consider. Yes, don't get me started on warranties. Most of these small ma and pa shops are pretty good about honoring warranties and getting you back on the road fast. BUT, I've still heard my fair share of fights and horror stories as well.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

@@PlayingwithSticks oh yes, light weight trailers have their purpose, you can draw them with small vehicles, fuel economy and such. but you need to be more careful with how and where you drive them.... you don't want to be speeding with them, you don't want to try taking them where they weren't meant to go.. essentially, drive safe and you won't have a problem. (Which seems to be hard for so many drivers on the road these days) now as to the Ma and Pa places... the fun question to ask as well is... do you have to bring the trailer back to them? or do they have authorized locations for emergency work? If they for example built the frame, have it under warranty, and a weld breaks, the broken weld could render a trailer untowable safely. So do you need to load the rv on a flat trailer and have it transported 2000 miles to the factory to repair it?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Great question. And I have seen both. Typically if the manufacture feels it is on their end they drive right out with their tools. If they think it was abuse, often times they still will fix it, but they aren't too thrilled about coming to you. It would be so fun to gather this information from trailer owners across the country and see the trends.

[@l.scales7516]

​@@jenniferstewarts4851excellent question!

[@l.scales7516]

​@@jenniferstewarts4851f so, who covers the s&h costs & lol you'd definitely want to insure it for there AND back! or it's possible they'd want to offer a replacement at just the cost of a deductible if its the first trip made & a weld pops on you!? depending on the road chosen maybe?

[@lindac446]

No such thing as 3 times less! The correct referance is "3 times MORE", but assuming you mean the opposite? Is it 1/3 less (6k vs 9k) or is it 2/3 less (also referred to as 1/3rd the cost .. ie, 3k vs 9k).

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I appreciate the schooling here, but I think we can say three times less is pretty colloquial language. The sticks where I'm from, this is more than adequate in terms of how we describe something. You may enjoy taking a deep dive into linguistics. Many modern-day linguists would tell you language his cultural and regional. But, with all that said, I will try my best to pick up on the proper way of saying it and I appreciate the feedback

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