Playseat Challenge LDS Bracing For The Fanatec CSL DD!

Wheel Deck bracing from Low Down Shifter for the Playseat Challenge tested with the Fanatec CSL DD!
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[@rickydossantosjr5840]

Karl is such a Chad for this 😂 literally been doing research for 2 weeks on how to make the playseat better while waiting for my CSL DD

[@HamVR]

It's probably about the right time for Playseat to produce a Playseat Challenge 'Pro' edition with a lot of these popular mods included

[@chaseshadow]

Do you know something we don't Ham ??

[@fastforward7670]

I would buy it in an instant if it remains foldable.

[@stefandudic9296]

Karl thank you for making videos for us lads trying to make the DD work on a budget!!

[@stevecleaver8933]

Yet another great video Karl, please keep them coming, the way you go through everything is pretty much exactly as "we users" would experience them, hence they are a real 1st impression video which is what I love about your videos. One thing I notice about this bracing kit with the way you've mounted it (with the slotted part of the brace "downwards" towards the seat) is that any excess in length is going to be very close to (perhaps even RUBBING) your leg, whereas if you were to mount it the other way round, with the single hole at the SEAT & the slot up at the DECK the excess (assuming it doesn't impact the deck itself) would simply be pointing up in the air. Please bear in mind I am writing this LIVE as I watch your video, so forgive me if you cover this later on (I'm currently at 8:28 where you are just fitting the bracing.) Just reached 12:29 where you say about having a 3rd "mounting point" to stop the rotational forces being transferred & thus allowing the "articulation" you refer to. Looking at the setup I wonder (once you have mounted it & found your "sweet spot" for how & where you want it oriented) if you were to drill a hole through from the INSIDE out passing through the brace bar & the VERTICAL bar of the DECK mount (in the video this would be just infront of your knee) this would give you that 3rd mount & thus stop any "articulation / rotation". Another thing I notice as you were then driving is that it APPEARS that your thigh & knee are very close to the bolt where the bracing attaches to the seat down by the locking clamp & I was thinking that to reduce any chance of your knee or thigh getting rubbed by those bolts, if you were to turn the bolts the other way round so that the flat head is on the INSIDE nearest to you & then have the nut on the OUTSIDE so it's away from your leg.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah all good things to try mate, thanks! :)

[@MrCMHUDDY]

My favourite channel on KZbin right now. Thanks for another massively helpful and entertaining video, Karl.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate! :)

[@Cy4n1d3_13]

i did something similar with two turnbuckles on my playseat when i upgraded to a CSL Elite from a TMX. Glad to see someone is offering a solution for purchase,

[@chaseshadow]

I love improvisations Chris, good on you. Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@dereksmith6600]

Liked, Subbed and even clicked the bloody bell. This content is great mate, I'm looking to get into sim racing and most of the channels have big budget rigs which while great is a bit off putting for me. That combination of Playseat and csl dd is probably going to be my entry point.

[@elbee1505]

Was looking for something like this! I´v seen all sorts of complicated or weird stuff to get a more stable playseat challenge, this looks nice and clean, Thanks! Convinced me to get the playseat and the DD aswell.

[@chaseshadow]

Wise choice buddy :)

[@havmercy]

how is it ,if u dont mind ????

[@elbee1505]

Well actually went for next level racing gt lite and i have zero regrets. Solid as a rock and very spacious! Folding is covered in about 5 mins.

[@havmercy]

@@elbee1505 thank u , what wheel u r using ??

[@elbee1505]

GT DD pro with 8nm boost and loadcell. Loadcel won´t move a mm even with only 2/4 screws used. I use the strap that comes with the package to fix the mount bar of the wheel with the groundbar. The wheel has a little flex but you don´t notice/influence you whilst driving. I´m still using the standard wheel but soon will be buying the gt3 mclaren one as i find the original abit cheap feeling ( but still very enjoyable wheel)

[@nikbear]

Excellent video, and something I was looking into just last week! 👍 and as I keep telling my better half, "It's not OCD, it's called doing things properly" 😄

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate! ;)

[@chaseshadow]

Haha

[@ickboon]

Thanks for the video! I think de brackets to the knee you can mount them with the bold side under than you have more room for your knee and give more stiffness. The bars seams long enoughe

[@mediumsizedcal]

I've bought a kit from Indigo and Lime, cost £35 and had good reviews. If it works as well as this, absolute result.

[@danfry909]

Super-helpful video Karl, thanks. With regard to track-based racing sims, my favourites are Assetto Corsa Competizione, which has a decent career mode, and RaceRoom (which is all about online racing, no career). Both have excellent force-feedback detail and once you get them set up to your liking, both are absolutely superb in both 2D and VR. Even my weak VR belly can handle VR racing in both these sims and they are both nothing short of incredible.

[@edwhalley5]

I'm liking RaceRoom but can't get it working properly in VR

[@danfry909]

@@edwhalley5 If you are seeing just a blank screen in VR, you may need to set a key to "Re centre VR". Every time I start the game in VR, it puts the game menu behind me, so I bind a wheel button to "Re Center VR".

[@edwhalley5]

@@danfry909 it is working but the performance is terrible

[@danfry909]

@@edwhalley5 Ah yeah that's a thing. I'm running a 1080ti in a 4 year old PC and it's just about ok with a Rift S.

[@KarlGosling]

I'm thinking ACC too :)

[@DeePunter]

I can't believe there is company that makes mod only to Playseat, this is awesome!

[@sparkpaul]

Awesome video for your honest and personal sharing of your experience

[@KarlGosling]

I appreciate that!

[@mikescott1050]

I have the extended bar stabilizer (and almost everything else Lowdown makes ie: pedal deck, chassis brace, shifter mount, e-brake mount etc.) on my PSC and I love it. All the mods I have made the chair much heavier and the “foldability” is not so simple anymore but I don’t care. I have a cranked up T-GT and T3PA pro pedals with cone mods so I can’t comment on a DD and load cell combo but she’s pretty solid and I’m not gentle with it. All of lowdown’s stuff is very high quality steel not cheap 3D printed plastic hence the weight. Installing the steering brace does expose the biggest weak point: the pivot/hinge. I did buy the Indigo Lime overpriced 3D printed piece of plastic to beef up that pivot point and it actually worked quite well in conjunction with all the other goodies. My PSC has gone from “entry level” to “entry level ++” I’m a casual racer so it’s great for me. Now if I could not be 6’5” tall that would make it even better 🙄

[@mrcael1887]

So you run both indigo lime and Lowdown shifter wheel mount stabilisers? Wow.

[@jelly8594]

What's the total cost of all mods?

[@christopherlees3684]

The 2 parts fitted around the bars next to your knees look like they would do a better job upside down. And to create extra stiffness 2 more could be added in the middle of the slotted rail where the tubing is vertical

[@chaseshadow]

Hi Chris, there is 2 ways you can position the Lowdown Shifter Mod Mounts for either Driving mode OR Flight Mode for example. And you are correct, 180 degree to what you see is the one :) Every product has to have key factors & specific principles in design. Whilst working with very tight restrictions & limitations. The main focus in principle is not to ever compromise the core products design integrity but enhance it. Next is weight - Now a massive factor due to what is going on with the EU Cartel. And delivery/shipping added costs. Cost is one of the biggest considerations. More parts, extra components = Increased costs. Which have to be obviously passed down the line understandably. Logically if the cost of a product + all the extra charges many are now going to have to pay, will in turn affect the customers ultimate decision process.

[@raidn4128]

@@chaseshadow

[@balticDub]

Thank you for showing this improvement. Though i was just watching out of curiosity, as i don't have a PlaySeat Challenge xD ... Also i have one small suggestion: If you mount the "clamps" upside down, so that the straight part faces down, you would create a steeper angle for the support rods, which would in return result in less angular momentum on the bolts. This should improve the stiffness even more.

[@KarlGosling]

Yes that sounds like it should work so long as they reach! :)

[@chaseshadow]

@@KarlGosling Hey bud. Check your email I sent yesterday.

[@chaseshadow]

Hi Christian, there is 2 ways you can position the Lowdown Shifter Mod Mounts for either Driving mode OR Flight Mode for example. And you are correct, 180 degree to what you see is the one :)

[@tetraktys6540]

@@KarlGosling Yes, was going to suggest this. If you look from the side profile, you've set it up with the beams crossing, X. If you set it up triangularly, it will be as strong as possible, △. Not needing any extra. Thanks for the video!

[@adambuzzeo]

Waiting on mine to arrive. I'm in the states so it's taking a while to get here. Looks like it should be here by Wednesday. Just in time for my new r330 rim to arrive as well. Can't wait 😁

[@KarlGosling]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@andymcguigan7238]

Got mine in the post now off mark , excellent service...mines for my csl DD

[@darthaustralis6129]

Great video and a mod I certainly will be getting.

[@chaseshadow]

Hey Karl. Just caught up with the notification! So a quick drop in as I'm up to my neck today. Ha typically earlier I sent you over the 'Driving' Mode images showing you that install compared to the 'Flight' Mode images I had ready at the point we spoke. Just a matter of flipping 180 the Lowdown Shifter Mod Mounts basically. You'll see. I will have to come back to this later & inhale it's content - MAHOOSIVE THANK YOU DUDE AS PER :) And by the looks of it, start answering some questions from your loyal audience.

[@chaseshadow]

@@CaptainDomestic Hi Ben. What do you need?

[@CaptainDomestic]

@@chaseshadow shifter mount for right hand side (logitech) and maybe mounts for thrustmaster t.16000M hotas.

[@AlexanderDinebier]

I've been searching for something like that for a long time. Of course it will be available now that i've created something similar out of those expensive RAM mounts.

[@KarlGosling]

Typical! lol

[@Jonj57]

The 3D printed support bar I designs looks like it's pretty comparable to the LDS brace. I ran into the same issue he did as well, as soon as the wheel deck is stabile then the rotating arm becomes a weak point. I'm still working on a way to fix that though that one seems much trickier without using some form of metal brace that restricts movement.

[@RDEstevao]

So... have you a good solution or what? :D

[@siddharth3880]

Should do one for the FGT Lite too if possible! Thanks for this!

[@AndrewTSq]

Have ordered this exact wheel, and I have the playseat challenge, so I will make something similar. Maybe I will add one extra leg between the bottom leg and where the steering-tube locks and svivels on each side. :)

[@ro88o31]

After initially looking for reviews on the PS EVO and coming across your review i was then lead to your PS challenge review and i honestly think youve saved me some money as the challenge even though at a lower price point looks the better buy and the money saved i can most likely invest in some mods from low down shifter. Also did they ever take on board your comment about the 3rd contact point for further bracing?

[@Froot99]

I found a reinforcement kit on ebay which uses a very similar principle, it arrived today and instantly I can say it removed almost if not all of the flex. I haven't received my CSL DD yet but with pushing on it I can tell it's already a lot better than nothing at all. The one I got isn't made out of metal but is 3d printed however it still feels really sturdy and the forces wont be enormous on it I'd reckon.

[@eagletrippin]

Did you get the one from TLM Indigo Lime on eBay?

[@chaseshadow]

Mr fruit, let us know how you get on with it. If you need our help over at Lowdown Shifter, be happy to help you out. Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@Froot99]

@@eagletrippin Yeah it's not half bad although a bit on the short side.

[@Froot99]

@@chaseshadow Thanks! I did not know of your product before Karl's video but I will defiantly contact you if I need a better solution

[@noer0205]

Thanks for the tip and good video, Karl (y) ACC has the best carreer-mode I have ever tried btw

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I think thats what I'm going to get into :)

[@noer0205]

@@KarlGosling Nice! Going to look forward to the series!

[@EazyDuz18]

Now we just need some mods to stop the seat folding when hard braking. And a mod to hard mount the pedals, then it would be the GOAT

[@kurtwashere]

Yeah, I honestly don't even notice the flex in the steering when I'm in the heat of the moment, but the chair lifting under hard braking is a real issue. I've thought about fashioning something myself but haven't gotten around to it. Would love to buy something professionally manufactured for like $15 and just toss it on there.

[@chaseshadow]

Hey buddy. Good thinking, now wouldn't that be ace !!! It's a good I've done both & created the perfect solution for your problem. Not just your problem but every Playseat Challenge owners. If you would like an exclusive, get your email address over to me okay. Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@simplejackenduro]

@@chaseshadow when are these product going to be available for purchase?

[@glenndydionysis7382]

@@simplejackenduro I'm ordering one right now, most recent info that I got is that they'll be ready in a couple of weeks.

[@asimpleman2585]

Great vid. Maybe replace the round bolts with carriage bolts?

[@Steve30x]

I ordered this cockpit and ordered this. I don't like my wheel too close to me so I'll be putting the wheel deck forward. I searched google for more mods for the cockpit but it just shows mods for the F-GTLite

[@joelklaus902]

Love the Playseat Challenge content, thanks! I just purchased another product with the same idea as this brace from Indigo Lime Racing. I haven't yet tested it as it's on the way from postage. Any experience with this product in comparison Karl?

[@chaseshadow]

Interesting. Thanks JSK. Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@tys2474]

JSK, How is the Indigo lime braces going? Just saw something about them today. Do you feel like it's money well spent. Thanks

[@joelklaus902]

@@tys2474 They are in my opinion. You can do similar modifications for less with 3D printed parts... but this makes it easy and convenient.

[@dnienow2]

Karl have you ever tried the Indigo Lime upgrade pro kit for the Playseat Challenge? I highly recommend it as a must have for load cell pedals and or a direct drive wheel.

[@KarlGosling]

I've not mate no, but I'll take a look!

[@charliegraham819]

well done carl have seen nearly all ur vids u must be running out of room in ur gaff with how many cockpits and steering wheel bases uve got ni think sorage be ur thing soon u r bound to be running outta room lol lv the vids my man

[@KarlGosling]

When I've finished with things I move them on mate, no point keeping things when other people could get good use from them :)

[@charliegraham819]

@@KarlGosling o right was wondering where you would store them goimg til get the titan later this yearafter watching your vid have to wait on dd for ps5 but lol gdman for getting back to me fella keep up the gd work yours is the only vids i watch on anything new coming out top bloke my man

[@charliegraham819]

Here have u still got the titan cockpit or is it gone long shot anno I live in Belfast northern Ireland would take it off ur hands if you still had it lol be just my luck but I went next day lol

[@PeatCowman]

Hi Karl, what is the rough measurement from the front of the wheel to the back of the base? I'm upgrading from a G29 and it 'looks' alot deeper. I'm trying to think about hwere and how much I will need to adjust my rig to compensate.

[@FormulaProg]

Karl is like the British Barry Rowland now

[@spacebrain1971]

Hi Karl. Thank you for this. What wheel are you using in the video? Regards, Gernot

[@andymcguigan7238]

Got mine the other day , it eliminated all the flex on mine the 2 clips on to the extension bar need to be the other way round tho 😂 excellent product

[@Invin_cibles]

hey mate ho did you purchase this? I cant find it on the website

[@PandaPowerable]

Looks good...a pity they don't ship to Germany. There appears to be a similar mod from Indigo Lime in the UK...do you have any experience with that one?

[@Gawl88]

That website is the most convulted thing I have ever tried to navigate!

[@MrGfuga]

I am trying for 10 min to find the reinforcement kit and still cannot find it ... I came switched fom cellphone to notebook thinking it was the mobile interface but it as confusing as before ...

[@Eskoxo]

So what i do is move my standing desk to lowest position and move the rig over it and slightly raise it to basically remove all wobble on the wheel.

[@JussiKoukku]

Any idea when this will be available from LDS?

[@raffaelo09]

I bought the PlaySeat thanks to Karl. But I have a questions for all you. Does the base for the wheel is slightly to the left or my PlaySeat did not pass the quality test. What should I do?

[@Robbi532]

Thanks for the Video Karl, a good solution. But as long as the holders are fixed directly to the rig there will always be more or less flex already by the movement of the seat. The only thing that helps is a stiff connection of the plate to the ground. The broomstick trick ;-) .Not so elegant but more effective. And incidentally also keeps the brake mount on the ground.

[@chaseshadow]

The possibilities are endless Robert. Mark @ lowdown Shifter

[@Robbi532]

@@chaseshadow You're right, Mark, and in the end it's just a folding chair with all its limitations. ;-)

[@andybinns4993]

Hi Karl, i just watched your £138 PC build. I know nothing about building PC`s. What off the self budget PC would you recommend?. Regards, and great vids.

[@BruceWayne-eh4im]

Please show below the plate for the real help! Some of us unfortunately have the plate rotated would be nice to see how this is mounted. Do you use two screws to connect the CSL DD base or three?

[@pr1ima61]

Can anyone send me a direct link to the product in this video? I can't seem to find it on the website..

[@BackfeetBoi]

I feel like the plate bracket should be wider so the side arms can be mounted to the outside of the chair. This seems kind of rubbing against the upper leg

[@Inpreesme]

Thank you

[@corjamie5367]

I've been looking for something like this ahead of my CSL DD being delivered, but for the NLR GT-Lite! Do you know of any products that aim to do a similar job but for the NLR GT-Lite? Or does Mark plan on supporting the GT-Lite?

[@KarlGosling]

Mark does plan on supporting it yes! :)

[@corjamie5367]

@@KarlGosling this is great news thank you, I’ll be keeping a close eye on his website!

[@chaseshadow]

@@corjamie5367 Firstly thanks Karl. Jamie you can guarantee you will have the solutions you wish for you NLR product okay. Regards Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@justinlovett496]

@@chaseshadow How can we stay up to date with the developments?

[@Ahogg1992]

Would this work for the x rocker circuit xr and g920??

[@rubenguit]

Got a Playseat Challenge, thinking about getting a Fanatec CSL DD. This looks like a good mod for the seat! However, i do need to fold it up to store it, due to lack of space in my apartment. Can you still fold it up with this mod? I don't think so, right?

[@stoss-11]

These brackets are still not for sale on that link you provided. Are they still set to go on sale??? i need these bad

[@emilianomontanari283]

in order not to hold it all back, which holes did you use? It seems to me that he should use the three holes in a triangle and be forced to stay all the way forward towards the rider

[@ittybitbobo7657]

What is your top 5 driving games?

[@6rimR3ap3r]

Until now I was really into the Next Level Racing GT Lite, but even there I didn't know if a DD wheel would be so great... Now I see you with the Playseat and the 8Nm DD wheel and my preferences totally changed :-D So I guess it's a no brainer if I ask you: Playseat Challenge + bracing + DD Pro 5Nm = fun?

[@KarlGosling]

Yes mate that will = fun for sure! :)

[@6rimR3ap3r]

@@KarlGosling sounds great :-) Haven't had a wheel in a decade because I don't have a desk anymore. Must have been Logitech Driving Force Pro and Gran Turismo 4 :-D A friend let me try the CSL Elite and that felt really good :-)

[@Dreamer2go]

@@KarlGosling what about the DD Pro with 8nm? Will this playseat challenge handle it okay? Thx!! Helpful video!

[@77spavento]

I use the 8nm and it’s fine while I wait for the lowdown brace to arrive. Definitely flexes the base but it works. Can’t wait for the brace to arrive.

[@6rimR3ap3r]

@@Dreamer2go I now have the 8NM DD Pro and load cell pedal. So far I've turned down the FF strength, just to make it feel better for me at Gran Turismo 7. Just from the Playseat side of things I noticed more imorovement on the Pedals with all the Lowdownshifter bracing. Yes, the wheel base is also more rigid than before but pedals is like night and day.

[@antoineviard4580]

HI Karl, how did you mount the dd wheelbase ? I can't figure out how to mount it like you with the holes on my challenge play seat. thanks

[@KarlGosling]

There's three holes that line up if you take the plate off and offer it up to your CSL DD.

[@walterswdf2]

Thanks, Karl, I'm about to order my DD. Would you happen to know if it will work with my Thrustmaster T-LCM pedals?

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah USB though rather than plugging into the wheel base.

[@walterswdf2]

@@KarlGosling Thanks. To be clear, I'm using Xbox One.

[@Pubwie]

Would you mind doing a csl DD wheel + the cheaper NEXT level racing GT, please?

[@KarlGosling]

I don't have one mate sorry.

[@lorenzohq3684]

Hi Karl, can you still fold the chair without doing too much of unscrewing?

[@Jhan112]

can you make a video of how to use the FANATEC gran turismo DD pro in the next level racing f-gt lite please

[@KarlGosling]

I don't have the F-GT Lite mate sorry.

[@94AdamH]

I was thinking about doing something similar with a few welds but this brace would be far better. Is there a link to this actual item?

[@chaseshadow]

Adam, I've just responded to you on Instagram

[@0avarias]

@@chaseshadow Hi. Would you be able to provide me the link as well? Their website is quite confusing and I can't understand what I need to order. Thanks in advance.

[@eatthisvr6]

have you tried left foot braking?

[@MajomHus]

I did the raj mod, and it's so sturdy it's almost an overkill. Would sport a dd1,2 easy.

[@rickydossantosjr5840]

What’s the raj mod?

[@NuttyTY0]

@@rickydossantosjr5840 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4a4mIGXqpKUpZY

[@morpheus015]

Love washers.

[@raidn4128]

hello where can I find this system? thank you ?

[@Mo.arbee_]

Would you recommend a play seat challenge or a next level racing Gt lite pro (the new one) for a Csl DD ?

[@KarlGosling]

I don't know yet but I have a GT Lite Pro coming so will soon see!

[@itzhoggy5037]

Great video misses starting to hate me watching you because it seems everything you test I want. will be definitely getting this was thinking about getting a harder rig because of that flex but love my play seat.. I have the play seat because of your video that's when you were in I think your front room cheers

[@KarlGosling]

Good to have you around since back then... apologies to your missus mate! lol

[@chaseshadow]

Haha made me smile. Hoggy you're going to be in real trouble soon then, we're launching 20+ new products for the PSC.

[@itzhoggy5037]

Hopefully a new plate to get the steering wheel further away from the seat but can't wait to see all the products...Karl you have come a long way from your PlaySeat and g29 massive well done in my opinion the best on utube

[@syko846]

Hey Carl, I have the V3 pedals. Would you happen to know of a third party solution to mount them to the base of the play seat challenge?

[@KarlGosling]

I don't mate sorry.

[@syko846]

@@KarlGosling no worries, I've only seen some where they attach them to ply wood and than bolt them on. I was hoping for a 3d printed solution or something that looks like it belongs

[@coopsy13]

@@syko846 I have the v3 with play seat challenge. i use cable ties through the holes on the four feet of the V3 pedals, wrapped around the frame of the playseat. Its very secure, no movement.

[@emilianomontanari283]

i have ordered the INDIGO LIME one, i fear it is a mistake....

[@fleezybaby]

why must all the fun things be backordered 😭end of JULY for the 5nm csl dd!!

[@KarlGosling]

The way of everything these days isn't it :(

[@chrisj5753]

I've wondered if a simple wooden/metal rod placed vertically from the floor to the back of the wheelbase deck would be even better than this? I haven't tried it but seems it would be around the knees and shouldn't interfere with pedal operation

[@russellscanlon8846]

Like a small shower curtain rod or something like that you can twist into place.

[@emilianomontanari283]

how have you mounted pedals?

[@seriphyn8935]

Curious as to how this might work with a high-end DD now...

[@chaseshadow]

Hey Sebastian, what was you thinking? Mark @ Lowdown Shifter

[@federicolistanti4953]

How can i buy this products?

[@mohammedfahim9918]

Suppose we want to bolt the dd with 3 bolts, can't we attach the bracket first and then mount the cal DD? that way it won't matter if its covered. if it uses common holes, then why not use the same bolts? Also, Do you know any mod for the pedal deck that will allow me to use the truebrake mod? With something like this, I definitely don’t need a proper rig. Just need to figure out how to use it with stiff load cells

[@KarlGosling]

As I said in the video mate there is no hole in the brace for the third bolt, you'd need to drill it... then yes you can put a bolt through! :) The problem with heavy brake pedals is the PSC lifting, at present there is not to market I know of but I think LDS has something coming :)

[@mohammedfahim9918]

@@KarlGosling oh alright. thanks mate! really glad you cover the developments with the Playseat challenge! very helpful! Cheers!

[@chaseshadow]

@@mohammedfahim9918 Hi Mohammed. We can make any amends to the PSC Steering Base Stabilizer System if we need to. Like a center slot fixing point. Thanks Karl. We have indeed solved the lifting issue on heavy breaking with 2 brand new mods. Maybe Karl could cover these another time. They are not released yet, but obviously will be for Christmas 21.

[@mohammedfahim9918]

@@chaseshadow Oh that's amazing! thanks a lot! love your products and glad you and Karl have a good relationship to showcase them! good luck! cheers!

[@paulleon6057]

Has anyone been able to contact Lowdown Shifter? I’ve sent several emails through their website asking advice about what products is recommended but it’s been over a week and still no response. I’ve recently bought the playseat challenge as I felt it was the best all round option for my size and the space I have available but wanted to know what mod kits I should buy on their to cover me for the equipment I plan to get. I’d like to get the Fanatec DD Pro of course but the cost of the product, import fees, VAT, handling etc with no financing options is stopping me from getting it. I know it’s the best option and better than the Thrustmaster TGT-II but Amazon are offering 12 monthly payments at 0%. So, what mod kit for the challenge is recommended me to strengthen it and give me options down the line? It’s not clear on the site. Thanks

[@Marcus2k]

yep same:/

[@Steve30x]

Is that available for the next level racing GT Lite too?

[@chaseshadow]

Hello Steve. What I've now created is basically a range of Integratable products to suit other similar tubular constructed simulators

[@valeriyhamma2905]

Hello. Where I can get it ?

[@AlexVangeenRacing]

How easy would it be to make this fold with this attached? Having some form of quick release would be great

[@KarlGosling]

It folds just as normal if like me you don't drop the wheel plate anyway.

[@AlexVangeenRacing]

@@KarlGosling I do need to drop the wheel plate. I have messaged the people from the link and asked if they can have some sort of quick release system

[@chaseshadow]

@@AlexVangeenRacing Hi Alex, I emailed you to ask where you thought a quick release would work, but I never got a response. You could indeed add a quick release at the Lowdown Shifter Mod Mount point. We can also supply that additional extra at cost too.

[@gpanaka]

Does this go with the Playseat Challenge X?

[@mrmatata608]

The back of the clamp i think it should be facing downwards and not upwards from the inside so that the the bracket that mounts on it could go from the down side of this cornered steel. It would also have fewer degrees angle where these 2 parts mount to flex with, therefore it could give you like 10% more rigidity. Perhaps maybe more than 10% or a bit less than that. But yeah, i think anything you do to the Playseat Challenge it should give it more stability.

[@MFAMvdHelm]

Wanted to buy these braces too but no reply from Lowdownshifters, is Lowdownshifters still in business?

[@Dreamer2go]

Same issue. Msged them for 1 week plus, no reply

[@KarlGosling]

I have let him know via email, I think he's just overwhelmed with orders and short staffed.

[@77spavento]

Mark is a fantastic guy. He’s a one man show and products are in high demand so he is buried. He’s working hard to ramp up and catch up. It might be a slow ordering process but totally worth it.

[@buddhapest]

great info, ty! but how do you fold the seat? you can't release the wheel itself to rotate down, can you?

[@KarlGosling]

You don't need to, it still folds with it in place! :)

[@buddhapest]

@@KarlGosling hmm - if you do another video with this setup - would love it if you showed how you fold it without rotating the wheel down

[@KarlGosling]

@@buddhapest just fold it as normal but don't drop the wheel! lol It's how I always fold it, watch any of my other PSC videos if you want to see, or just try it yourself :)

[@buddhapest]

@@KarlGosling ok - found a video where you do that - that won't fly for me, not flat enough for my closet :( thanks for the replies!

[@KarlGosling]

@@buddhapest Ah fair enough mate!

[@vocnys]

Are those Logitech pedals? What are they connected to, do you have a Logitech wheel plugged in as well?

[@JussiKoukku]

Not sure how Karl has done it, but I stripped the circuit board from the Logitech wheel, disconnecting everything that drove the wheel itself (and binned the wheel parts), leaving only the shifter and pedal wires in place. Then modified the pedal base so that the circuit board and wires fitted inside. Worked well, still recognised by the Logitech profiler/driver. No need for the Logitech power supply either with that setup, as it's only needed for the FFB motors.

[@JasperStaal86]

I'm trying to order this reinforcement kit but man that LDS website is one chaotic mess. Still haven't managed to. Sent them emails, no replies, how do I go about ordering this stuff 😂 Also, is there a big diff between this and the 3d printed one?

[@77spavento]

They are working on ramping so they can keep up with demand. The owner is a great guy…working 20 hours a day 7 days a week. It took me a while to hear back but once I did he was a pleasure and I’m stoked about my new stuff.

[@deanlawrence871]

Would this work for the dd1? And can you fit all/most pedals to the challenge?

[@KarlGosling]

Yes and yes.

[@deanlawrence871]

@@KarlGosling thank you 🙂

[@wailers.]

Bonjour où pour l'acheter ?

[@mohammedfahim9918]

Is this good enough for higher end DD wheels at about 10-11 Nm?

[@KarlGosling]

I wouldn't recommend it for that sort of power no, a better cockpit is really needed.

[@mohammedfahim9918]

@@KarlGosling hmm yeah. Thanks !

[@whereta3097]

Can you still fold up and store the playset away with the mod installed?

[@KarlGosling]

Yes.

[@AndersonSilva-kb2wv]

Anyone know if they are still in business? As I have not had any reply’s to emails or the order form.

[@KarlGosling]

I've literally spoken to the owner Mark this morning and said that buyers are struggling to get through to him.

[@AndersonSilva-kb2wv]

@@KarlGosling Thanks for the reply. So I’ll take it he’s still in business, just wanted to make sure so I don’t end up buying some 3D printed crap from eBay.

[@Major_Watts]

Nice one Karl, did he say when he would be getting back to people? This looks to be the ideal reinforcement mod.. can’t justify paying the same amount for 3D printed plastic!

[@Marcus2k]

Will the one for the csl dd also work with the gt dd pro?

[@KarlGosling]

Basically the same wheel base so yes mate.

[@Marcus2k]

@@KarlGosling Ok great, thanks!

[@JDempsterRacing]

I'd like to see a career mode in F1 2021

[@KarlGosling]

F1 really isn't my thing.

[@raresttortoise]

Live stream 👍

[@chaseshadow]

That would be fun :)

[@eagletrippin]

I hope Mark takes your feedback and adds that 3rd reinforcement bolt!

[@FOGDaheee]

My Playseat only has two holes at the back of the plate not three, might be they changed it over the years. I have had mine for 9 months.

[@chaseshadow]

Mark is here viewing :) This can be added. Though there appears to be different plates on new/later models. We could perhaps pop an additional hole/slot in dead center.

[@eagletrippin]

@@chaseshadow That is awesome! Any time frame for when this will be available for purchase?! 😃

[@Cy4n1d3_13]

if youre going to do circuit racing, PC2 has the best career mode, AC and ACC have better physics but the career modes are shite

[@willardr100]

There are obvious design flaws. The lack of additional fixing being one, but the other being the fact it reduces the space for your legs. It should a fix outside not inside. On the face of it, a poor product in my opinion.

[@Steve30x]

Don't bother with this. I contacted LDS over five months ago and I have to hear back from still. I had the money to pay him but I got fedup of waiting so it's too late now. There's another company doing a better mod than this for the playseat challenge which supports the wheel deck on both sides

[@Invin_cibles]

which company is this?

[@mariob4444]

but goodluck mounting loadcell pedals on a playseat challenge

[@KarlGosling]

If you do just run them soft.

[@davidkernohan4586]

I’ve got TLCMs on mine and they work fine

[@eagletrippin]

I've got Thrustmaster T-LCM's on my Playseat Challenge -- I even removed the ballast made to keep the pedal set weighed down -- and it stays put.

[@mariob4444]

@@davidkernohan4586 why tf would you spend more on your pedals then your rig?!

[@davidkernohan4586]

@@mariob4444 TLCM are £85, so I haven’t. Also I need a rig that folds away so there is limited choice.

[@filipivan5125]

I guess "mark" didnt make this happen. Currently nothing on the website about this or any products to purchase. The site has terrible formatting and I cant find anything on it.

[@KarlGosling]

I've not heard from him in a long time but last I did he was seriously ill so I'm not sure he is still with us :(

[@JackOEllingham]

Mark is still here and well! Just ordered a few products from him, top notch service and communication!

[@Invin_cibles]

how did you order from him? Want to purchase one of these@@JackOEllingham