These Marvel Secret Lairs Are Expensive

[@Buchaus]

I'm so sad that they didn't use Halle Berry's terrible X-Men quote on Lightning Bolt for the Storm drop. "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else."

[@jamesfilyawDigginGabe]

Terrible?! That's amazing! Lmao, that's such a classic cheesy line!

[@MHilstrom]

That whole scene was so awkward 😂 Toad is so awkward in that movie in general to be fair. Well, I guess all the characters are awkward in that movie.

[@No_Lucks_Given]

That's a great quote. You're crazy.

[@markbrierley6367]

It's worse than it was supposed to be. She was supposed to say something similar multiple times before but all those lines got cut from the edit.

[@sosukelele]

​@@markbrierley6367wasn't Toad supposed to be giving frog facts or am I getting that backwards?

[@pyredynasty]

Achievement: Fastball Special. Have Captain America throw Wolverine.

[@iansvoice1]

@3:20 Black Panther does not remove any other counters besides +1/+1 counters. It’s explicitly said on the card. Would have been cool to pay 3 mana to remove the ice counters from Dark Depths, but, alas, we cannot.

[@JovialRoger]

Yeah, between this and forgetting that the free commander spells came from Ikoria (C20), I think it's safe to say he got this out pretty rushed

[@Jonqen]

​@@JovialRogerYeah thats bad 😅

[@altromonte15]

It would actually be interesting if you could move all counters. T3 marit lage in selesnya would be funny. As it is, he's a super generic selesnya +1+1 counters card like two dozen others

[@m1gr3nA]

just use nesting grounds. you dont need more than one indestructible counter moved at a time anyway. :)

[@bookerplayer01]

Sometimes reading the card doesn't explain the card?

[@Arcturius01]

Team America pips being printed in the correct order instead of Jeskai is very satisfying.

[@jakeelephant006]

This was the order they did it on the original commander product for Ruhan and Zedruu

[@Chris-vk8lw]

I might get Cap to replace Pramikon as the lead of my Jeskai deck. I likely won't because I'd have to completely revamp the deck called William DeWall.

[@MasterManSparky]

@@Chris-vk8lw now i want to0 see the decklist

[@Chris-vk8lw]

@@MasterManSparky it's 32 walls, Approach, fireball, comet storm, high alert, Rammas Echor, Walking Bulwark, Rasaad yn Bashir, Perimeter Captain, Colossus of Akros, sphere of safety, propaganda, ghostly prison, angelic chorus, Aetherflux reservoir, and budget removal and card draw. I believe the entire deck is under $100.

[@Hundo_Mo]

5:38 Dont forget we got a print of Mjolnir in the Assassin Creeds set. So you can create the greatest MCU moment by having Cap equip and throw Mjolnir on the battlefield!

[@christopherb501]

Or use Toralf

[@williamsimkulet7832]

Remember $20 Guild Kits? If WOTC put out $20 Marvel "Brawl" decks, I'd be all in. But they didn't, so these are cards I won't ever own. At least not until The List MTG equivalents?

[@01MEGABOB]

Oh man I miss those guild kits. After being away from the game for some time, it was such a good product to break back in with. I’ve since sold or traded the bangers in my kits, but I still have the lands and I enjoy seeing those set symbols still.

[@bartoszganko5290]

I am like 99% sure these will appear in one of future marvel sets with different art not on the list

[@bradcallahan3546]

Or don’t? Go play gay marvel games if you want these characters. None of these belong in mtg universe

[@01MEGABOB]

@@bradcallahan3546 universes beyond is pretty entrenched at this point. I didn’t want it either but there’s nothing we can do about it at this point.

[@treasuredcollectibles]

Disney needs their (big) cut

[@BlueMage-adin]

the "Mohawk" Storm was from the Life/Death era, paired with Fall of the Mutants event.

[@BalooSJ]

She got the mohawk a little before that, when she and the X-Men were over in Japan for Wolverine's aborted wedding and she hooked up with one of Wolverine's exes and learned to let loose a little. Fall of the Mutants was where she returned to a more classic hairstyle, after being exiled to a primeval world for a year or so along with Forge.

[@lus-an-tsalainn]

With characters this iconic they should definitely be offering a "character bundle" to get the 5 creatures and not their feature cards. It'd also be a good litmus for whether people would be into more characters being pulled from shows as opposed to references on other cards.

[@kennethacuna9996]

remember kids, if you are only playing EDH.. you can proxy anything

[@anactualopinion868]

Big Facts!a

[@thebigsquig]

Always proxy 100. These card images are all online. They’re already free for everyone.

[@frankskive]

That depends on your lgs or play group

[@Wentyl91]

I'm only playing with friends at home and yup, you definitely can! Spent around 200$ on an inkjet printer and a laminator, made 12 or so decks for myself and friends. Raw materials for one deck come out to around 2-3$, takes about one hour to cut the cards out. I still buy precons every now and then, but can't imagine myself spending so much money on those overpriced products.

[@CarrollLiddell]

​@@frankskiveImagine a playgroup that won't let you proxy....

[@richardmolano5538]

I am terrified of Storm. She truly is an omega level commander 😮

[@BalooSJ]

It's completely in character for Storm to be the most powerful card in the mini-set.

[@BeetleBuns]

magnetic mountain comes highly recommended...

[@seth2077]

Broseph, you dont need to apologize. You're one of the best MTG content creators, content creation takes a ton of time and effort, and we're here for you, not the polish (though i love and respect that you care about the quality of your content!).

[@PleasantKenobi]

Appreciate the kind words. :)

[@pjdietrich4470]

Storm looks like it is going to be too strong for casual but not quite strong enough for cedh which really stinks to be in that area

[@DerekScottBland]

Remember, you can’t say reprint cards won’t have value when they’re attached to a popular IP. Princess Bride Secret Lair was print to demand and those cards are generally worth more than their regular counterparts.

[@petrri323]

They don’t do print to demand any more though. Secret lairs are for whales only now.

[@JoshWhite-v6t]

@13.34 Sadly you can't choose new modes for the copies. Gatherer ruling for twincast: "If a spell that's copied is modal (that is, it says 'choose one --' or the like), the copy will have the same mode. A different mode cannot be chosen."

[@damien4197]

On the other hand, if this is happening, you have you commander in play...

[@Azeria]

I’m 100% going to buy the Storm card… if and when they release a Universes Within version.

[@PleasantKenobi]

Good luck. Fingers crossed.

[@dannybeane2069]

That's the neat thing, you're not.

[@Azeria]

@@dannybeane2069 if that’s the case… oh well, there’s like 16,000 other cards I could put in my Kalamax deck instead

[@TheAngelRaven]

Storm is to Temur what Nadu is to Simic: Just goodstuff.

[@monkeyjamzter]

Would have been way bigger to have these as precons

[@WCOBDisorder]

There will definitely also be precons. There's other products coming out.

[@The_Sharktocrab]

But that would be consumer friendly, so wotc couldn't do it

[@IneptCardCollector]

The are?

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed😊

[@Not3Raccoon]

Captain America with a sunforger and some untapped mana sounds so fun

[@jolteon345]

I’d have no problem with WotC putting out a secret lair that has special artwork alongside the set that has the cards in it. I don’t like WotC putting out a set of secret lairs that cost $40 each with no indication that the new cards will be printed in a proper set. For all we know, WotC could be intending to wait 5 years to make in-universe versions of the cards, thus creating FOMO. I might pick up the Wolverine one, it’s the only one that I’m really interested in, but I probably won’t get it.

[@matteobagni1235]

Proxy them

[@cedrikDGAF]

can't wait to play solitaire with Storm

[@tipulsar85]

Kind of surprised that there isn't a Thousand Year Storm in the Storm lair. Then again there's the bonus card.

[@epsleon]

You'll be getting a generic Elf dork and you'll like it. 1 in 100,000 will get an Ulalek reskinned as Thanos.

[@tipulsar85]

@@epsleon Actually the bonus card for the D&D cover art lair was a good example in terms of recent flavor wins in terms of bonus cards that fit the theme AND a decent card to get. Dark Deal with the 5.5 DMG cover sketch. And Marvel has a bit of an interesting history with Magic on the film side. How did they explain that Peter Parker was a nerd in 2002? Give him a poster for Invasion in his childhood room.

[@brandtthebrent7227]

My understanding is for all of the the bonus card is Arcane Signet with an Avengers Headquarters coat of paint.

[@tipulsar85]

@@brandtthebrent7227 Signet is the "Spend $100 or more" card.

[@MissAshley42]

There is no sound (read: consumer-friendly) reason for this to be limited. None. Nada. Zilch. I can't imagine Disney arranged the contract in such a way that Hasbro somehow loses money by printing more.

[@01MEGABOB]

They’re making it limited so they don’t crash the market on the reprints. It’s literally just to make sure the secondary market stays high so people feel like they’re getting a deal buying these.

[@refundreplay]

gAmE pIeCeS!

[@sebastian55112]

Nope its a shame they did this

[@spamtonto]

Because people aren't going to keep buying Magic if none of it retains any value, routinely falls below distribution for years, and any cards that are worth $10 are proxied to death with pride from the community of players that hate the cards they collect and play.

[@Cthuski]

​@01MEGABOB I feel like the recent commander banning debacle should have highlighted the importance of managing the secondary market for the overall health of the game. Do you like having an lgs?

[@BingeThinker1814]

Captain America isn't really a Voltron commander. He's a burn win-con combo piece in the command zone that wins you the game once you get infinite mana.

[@PsychoDiesel48]

Flavor and art wise I LOVE Black Pamther and Iron Man. But Wolverine? That shit speaks to my very SOUL as a Gruul Mage

[@as95ms98]

Hewlett-Packard Master's is looking more and more valuable with every unique Secret Lair release!

[@del132]

What's the set symbol so I know what to look for on tcgplayer?

[@as95ms98]

​@@del132Look for the printer symbol! The cards are eco-friendly too since they often use recycled paper or spare tokens/lands as the backing rather than a real card back!

[@chaboki]

​@@del132pretty sure it's a joke about getting a printer to proxy cards lol

[@del132]

@@chaboki I should've included an /s. I just figured the sarcasm was evident.

[@lostmarble540]

is this the first time they included one mechanically unique card among a handful of reprints? like the $40 price tag is bad enough but it also feels like they split one secret lair into five

[@justinendel4292]

Llanowar Reborn is a funny card to use with Black Panther.

[@Scion_40k]

Storm is definitely the most broken of the 5. Bar none

[@KHJohan]

Her power is 3 so Access tunnel works with her

[@cwest1337]

The pips for Captain America are using the pre khans order rather than the updated wedge order which would be U>R>W. For example you can look at Zedruu original printing color order of RWU but was updated in commander legends to the now used wedge system denoted before. So while certainly thematic and most certainly a planned design choice it is not unique per se.

[@PleasantKenobi]

I dont think I called it unique haha

[@WafflePrince]

These legit should have been 5 precon commander decks for the same price

[@MarkAvo]

Getting these for a Marvel Cube is not going to be necessary but they would be sweet!

[@Julian_t_x]

Why would Wotc release this Secret Lair so shortly before but at the same time completely removed from their 2025 Marvel set?

[@TaskMaster5]

Probably as a pallet wetter to get people hyped for what else is to come from those sets.

[@turtleanton6539]

Moneey

[@johnpisser1983]

The Fortnitification continues

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed

[@mrmegalovania]

Yes Sword of War and Peace gives Pro Red White meaning can't use Aid.... buttt have Cap fling the sword/"Shield" equip whatever else you want with Aid then reequipt War/Peace to Cap using Caps ability or pay the extra 2 to equip

[@taranlee5203]

For Wolverine instead of the regeneration line I think this would be cool: “When Wolverine dies, if no excess damage was dealt, regenerate Wolverine. Otherwise, you may exile it with a number of time counters equal to the excess damage dealt to it. If you do, it gains suspend.

[@LeonValenti]

Wolverine could be a cool include in Wayta decks now. He's gonna be beating up dinos and stuffy dolls all day. That's some Savage Land stuff

[@ethanwetzel7]

God I loathe universes beyond

[@turtleanton6539]

Funkopop the game😅😅😅

[@boredsak]

Not going to lie, Ice Storm reprint has me interested haha

[@MissAshley42]

I want to run an Ice Storm in a Garth One-Eye deck I'm building for flavor's sake, so I'm kinda thinking about getting the Storm pack, too. Then again, having a crossover version card in the deck isn't exactly flavorful.

[@tmryns]

301.5c An Equipment that’s also a creature can’t equip a creature unless that Equipment has reconfigure So yes Swift Reconfiguration but no if you are just using Mycosynth Lattice.

[@sosukelele]

I agree with about the value being a bit iffy, buuuut... that's honestly been the case with most Secret Lair Drops in my experience. The value is in the unique(-ish) treatment (the least unique being the Jumpstart lands). These fefature new game pieces and reprints that mostly (if not entirely) justify* the prices. *justification being relative to your hobby budget, investment in MtG, etc. Here I'm talking about secondhand market value of non-unique cards compared to bundle prices

[@Cthuski]

Old school fan of both mtg and wolverine. Regenerate on wolverine is perfect. Yeah Yeah he's become Cell nowadays but his healing factor used to only be *accelerated* not a proxy for immortality. In the early days his arm got mauled by a dinosaur and it meant something for like 2 issues. Now it wouldn't mean anything in two panels.

[@cabuuuuum]

Storm kinda represents what I hate about modern legendary creature design: she does everything herself. I get that thematically it makes sense but giving her flying makes the card a lot less interesting, if she was just a vigilant 3/4 youd have to actually put thought into how to get her to connect when building the deck but because she just has flying thats out the window and you can just load up the deck with storm pay off cards

[@evanprimeau3810]

You’d think so, but she specifically doesn’t draw you cards. Her ability is also extremely dependent on having cheap cards in hand to up the Storm count on your turn, so card draw is a massive weakness for her! Card draw and mana generation are the puzzles you have to solve, as well as protecting her from removal, since she’s a frightening commander. Overall, she isn’t the same as commanders like Voja, which do literally everything and a bag of chips while protecting themselves.

[@hugoterrasse7530]

​@@evanprimeau3810 Agreed plus her abilty to storm require you to do combat damage to a PLAYER with cmc 4 and no haste you have a full turn for the table to dealt with her.

[@weirdmusicmixmaster]

i'll probably proxy them, until they put secret lair back to print to demand AND consistently do the universes within i wont buy any more of them. i know im not their whale target but i bought a few when they where worth it to me like the bitterblossom one, the seb mckinnon set, and the sheldons commander one but im not gonna be led around by the nose on this stuff for unique cards.

[@algolmantis3712]

Wolverine + Lizard blades quadrupling damage is the big brained play. Lethal damage combo, if unblocked, with just +3 damage and with a lot of ways to get there.

[@williamrodenbough5518]

I am going to join the queue for the entire set of cards

[@mariksebastianishtarthethi6998]

Yeah... storm + umbra bear + size the day + that blue instant make her unlockable plus draw a card, you got your game there.

[@pandosham]

Black Panther can move ice counters. Idk how good that is but it'd be funny to have a 20/20 flying Indestructible backing a super hero

[@TheJadeFist]

I wanted Iron Fist, aside from personal tastes, like his power set actually fits in perfectly fine mix for the worlds of magic. We already have a ton of monks and martial artists and spirit magic and stuff like that.

[@ironkodiakbooks5115]

Super comic book nerd for almost 50 years. I requested the day they go live off work. I would like a set of all 5 plus a spare set for later. I've already had 3 other people request full sets so I'm currently looking to pick up 6 sets in a mix of regular & foil. I also have a large amount of store credit built up at Card Kingdom specifically so I can go hog wild on whatever regular products they offer (who needed those pre-2012 foils anyway?).

[@chriscunningham6401]

Iron Man dodging fight spells and white/black removal seems pretty good (talking about the Commander's Plate).

[@guyver6622]

Out of 1 to 10 how powerful will the Storm deck be? Omega Level!!! Double strike copy spells extra turns.😍

[@RayneOfSalt]

Y'know, I've never understood how the archetype came to be called "Voltron" when it is very clearly "The Centurions". Taking a dude and loading them up with a ton of gear and upgrades was the Centurions' gimmick.

[@kylegonewild]

Because Voltron is formed from the combination of multiple individual pieces to form a much stronger singular fighter. It's pretty obvious why Voltron stuck in a nerd hobby while Centurion is what some wannabe fascist LARPer who loves New Vegas' Legion would call themselves.

[@RayneOfSalt]

@@kylegonewild Voltron is multiple things MERGING to form a new thing, not a thing being loaded up with stuff. And I'm talking about the CARTOON from the same time as Voltron called THE CENTURIONS, not... whatever or whoever you're talking about.

[@ChrisKay-h1j]

Cap and Iron Man are the ones that interest me most. Cap is one of my favourite avengers, and I want to build Iron Man as a multiple combat steps commander.

[@mbarker_lng]

Storm's storm is going to be doing some really evil things. My first thought was "Time Warp" and that was Kenobi's first choice too.

[@Sammo212]

I am disappointed they aren't doing commander precons for the Marvel stuff. I am going to buy the Captain America set. I don't think its any more expensive than something like the Ghostbusters stuff that just came out or practically every other set I've seen released (like the Junji Ito one I bought).

[@greenbronze6318]

I really want to build black panther , because putting counters on lands that can turn into creatures can be to me very funny. Also the best commander to use one of my favorite mythic from brothers war, awaken the woods.

[@elijahwalker323]

@12:00 I agree, storm seems so interesting to build, but I would be worried even when you try to make it jank you can just do some broken stuff, like storming jeska's will or creating multiple copies of storm and giving your next card like storm *10 or dopplegang with storm seems funny.

[@mq8858]

I think Wolverine should have had something more focused on undying (though your free passive trigger regenerate would also be sick). I feel like making it so Undying can trigger infinitely is the right way to go, I'm thinking with another ability that removes +1/+1 counters on wolverine (meaning undying can trigger again) and putting it on something else (Adamantium Skeleton) which gives Wolverine +X/+X dependent on the number of +1/+1 counters on it. This sorta gameplay would reward making Wolverine die again and again only to come back stronger and stronger.

[@francisserpa4465]

I'm really tempted by Storm. She's one of my favorite character's and the art's amazing and the mechanics are interesting, so all in all it seems good. But yeah, like you said, it is a lot of money

[@carsonmichalowski6075]

I was hoping that when they switched to limited print run Secret Lairs, that they would no longer do mechanically unique cards in them. Well here we are confirming my fears. I can't see this as much past some high-ups in WotC not caring about accessibility in favor of profits. Game pieces should be easily accessible to everyone. This is why I think they should be collectable pieces, not game pieces.

[@dcluvspie5777]

Also you can throw Caps shield cast another equipment equip it with Sigarda's aid and it will come back at the beginning of combat you can also do this at instant speed thanks to sigarda's aid...

[@AlthalusKanemtg]

Jeska's Will with storm shouldn't need you to select modes unless someone removes storm post combat damage which is unlikely. The storm effect will still be applied of course.

[@TheMoroe1]

Once you free your mind about a concept of authenticity and proxys not beeing correct, you can do whatever you want

[@nickudeschini4812]

T'Challa is actually super flavorful when you consider that he's a king and part of what makes him so dangerous is that he's the world greatest diplomat who can move people and things around to get things done better than anyone else.

[@neodarkknight42]

I honestly think Sword of Truth and Justice is a better flavor win for Cap than War and Peace

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

They are probably saving that for when/if they do a DC secret lair for Wonder Woman

[@T_Peazy]

The wolverine card should have been like: If wolverine would die from damage exile it with number of time counters on it equal to the damage dealt. He gains suspend.

[@WafflePrince]

That would be great! Also would be good with Deadpool

[@steamh4mmer264]

That would be much worse, He now keeps counters, because He doesnt die thx to regenerate

[@T_Peazy]

@@steamh4mmer264 not if you DONT regenerate it.

[@somebodyelsesghost]

I absolutely love that token. You just need to put the s-mart slogan in the flavour text.

[@kniveJustice]

Wolverine: This Creature can't leave the battlefield

[@richardmolano5538]

What I think is odd is that there was no swamp commander at all during the panel. I mean, that’s why I think Black Panther should’ve been black and green.

[@therealnecromancer1231]

with the heroes selected this time around, black doesn't really fit their identities. black will definitely be reserved for villains or more anti-hero style characters, like mercenaries

[@damien4197]

What's the odds, considering we know they were communicating, that as much a WoTC warned the RC about the bans, they actually put their foot down about Sol Ring, because angering Daddy Disney is not wise... and this made things so much worse because they had to hand wave why Sol Ring dodged the bans? LOL.

[@johnpisser1983]

very likely

[@Aldrnari956]

You’re reading too much into it. They were never going to ban Sol Ring. Yes, that’s in large part because of what it does to precons in making them illegal in the format out the box, but that consideration isn’t about WotC’s wallet. It’s about new player experience.

[@AdderMoray]

My take on Wolverine would be: ~ must attack each combat if able. If ~ would be exiled it is destroyed instead 1G - Regenerate If ~ is destroyed its controller must pay ~'s regeneration cost if able. Nothing can prevent ~ from regenerating.

[@AwkwardDreamer]

Just to clarify, you don't get to choose different modes when you copy a spell unless you're CASTING a copy. Otherwise you copy all the choices for that spell (kicker/modes/X/etc)

[@PleasantKenobi]

Tutors function different. New targets.

[@AwkwardDreamer]

@PleasantKenobi while target is a good call out (as something that does change), you only choose new targets when it's specified in the effect copying. Which to be fair, is almost always (storm is a perfect example of when you can choose new targets). But there are plenty of copying effects that don't allow you to change targets. That and generally speaking, tutors don't have 'targets' unless you mean the few times it says "target player". If you cast a demonic tutor for example there are no targets. Same for something like Traverse the Ulvenwald (which has different eligible choices while searching depending on spell mastery). For example if you cast Traverse with no spell mastery, you search for a basic land. If someone copies it and they have no basic lands, they also search for a basic land. But if someone copies it while having spell mastery they can search for any land or a creature (as it resolves). But it never targets or chooses that. You don't have to tell your opponents what you're going to find.

[@narvuntien]

Storm is completely broken but I think its something that is very telegraphed and you know exactly what kind of game you are playing. Storm is a level 4 card.

[@stevenburton7725]

Storm+Sword of Feast and Famine+an extra attack spell allows you to just go for the commander damage win

[@erband8454]

Honestly, i think an effect like the one on the God-Eternals would have been a better fit for wolverine.

[@Russian_engineer_bmstu]

I'd say the wild amonkhet God's mechanics too

[@erband8454]

@@Russian_engineer_bmstu yeah, that too. Just thought of the god -eternal recursion because they survive exile as well

[@dankenstein528]

They're going to sell for probably well over 200 each on the secondary market, so, I'd say they are actually a good bang for the buck. Everyone wants to make these commanders and they are extremely limited print and probably won't be reprinted in this decade after they sell out in 10 minutes. They are going to be extremely pricey.

[@jlaw131985]

I feel like to get across Wolverine’s regeneration, giving him persist would do it. But that would be pretty broken.

[@TheUniversalEclipse]

Unfortunately I am too susceptible to fomo, I don’t really see me not buying them unless I literally get boxed out by the wait times and it gets sold out. The one thing that is justifying it in my mind is that there is no way I see them going down in price since it’s marvel but that may be wrong. It’s not like I’d sell them but the thought that I could if I needed some cash is clouding my judgement.

[@mcgrewgs]

I was really disappointed by the representation of Wolverine's healing factor. For the longest time, I've wanted a card with an effect along the lines of "If [this card] would leave the battlefield, instead it doesn't.", and Wolverine felt like the perfect opportunity to make that happen. (The most efficient actual wording I've been able to come up with is "If [this card] would leave the battlefield, instead remove all counters from it and it phases out.")

[@rain4825]

And the cherry on top is that even if Storm proves to be problematic she's never going to get banned now, is she? I'm not saying that she's gonna take over the format, but c'mon, did they think about what they were printing on that card? As an aside, I find her illustration absolutely gorgeous.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

she's the coolest design by far but isn't really ban worthy with the sort of set up you need to do. probably gonna see her played in higher power decks mainly since she's not easy for super casual players to do insane things with. also yeah she's a stunning card. that is a CRAZY design though I agree. being able to just slap storm onto cards has an upside that is wildly strong (about as strong as she is in x-men tbh lol)

[@rain4825]

@@thatepicwizardguy Yeah, she's not Lutri level of worrying, I'll admit. The only way to know how out of hand she'll get is to let her loose, I suppose. The point is that if she's found to be overwhelmingly powerful, we don't have a way to reign her in anymore. And WOTC bringing back storm (the mechanic) of all things is a bad omen of things to come.

[@tomcadden8054]

I dont think its that folks will want the face commander, I think its that iff you want the Marvel staples of Sol Ring and whatnot, you need to buy all 5 of them. In saying this, I dont think this is overly expensive for whats a pretty unique product, But I do hope they also produce some marvel commander decks in the future

[@Gershelf]

I'm feeling... Eh? Like, secret lairs tend to drag me in, at least partially. I got the Angel and Cat decks, Notawolf, Chucky, Bloomburrow planeswalkers, etc. This case though, I just don't feel it. The front cards is what should be important, but none of them scream out to be. Cap is okay, but his deck hinges on him. Nuke/counter him, and it stops working. Iron Man is interesting, but I can't remember every card in my deck. Wolverine seems rather weak, and since he has no trample, he'll just get chump blocked until he eats removal or bounce. Black Panther is just a token deck with a slight twist. I've seen better. Storm is strong for sure, but I think she'll be looked at like Kaalia. You will become instant archenemy at the table, once they read what she does, and they'll spend what they have, to make sure she never gets the chance. That much storm is dangerous. Maybe I'd get Storm, and then start every game by letting people know that I do not have tutors, or extra turn spells, bu the rest... Eh. I'd rather wait for the Spiderman set, and hope there's a Symbiote commander deck. Could be an interesting Bestow deck.

[@ToadimusPrime]

I'm gonna assume these aren't in the commander decks, because this was always the case in Universes Beyond SL's. Unless they said otherwise and I missed it. Because if they are alt arts of the face commanders...that means 5 decks...

[@venkelos6996]

I think these look cool, and I'm definitely typically a fan of Marvel Comics, especially when it's a bit more more comics, and less obvious MCU, but I'm personally inclined to see these as a bit out of my price range. I'll happily go to various sires, like CardKingdom, or Troll&Toad, and buy cards I want; with my decades of ABYSMAL luck pulling cards from packs, on Magic, Yugioh, Naruto, and Heroclix, I al out have to, but I still try and for e myself to remain within a certain pricing scheme, and while I like the look of most of these, I'm not certain I'd want to pay that much. Proxies for the win!

[@JoeyDCote]

I will buy the entire set if the website lets me. And I have never bought an entire Secret Lair before. Speaking of Secret Lairs anyone else recent get a survey asking about what kind of SL you would buy. Seems like after I said I would not buy foil/rainbow foils I ended up having to answer about 12 pages of why I would not want to buy foils/rainbow foils. And they seperated the two so I was having to say the reason (warping cards due to foiling) over, and over and over.

[@BalooSJ]

Regarding the price: yeah, $/£/€40 for 5 cards is ridiculous. But this is definitely not going to be the sum total of the Magic/Marvel collab. We know there's a Spider-Man set coming in 2025, and if they're sets themed around one of the heroes/hero groups I reckon we'll see future sets themed around the X-Men, Avengers, and maybe even Fantastic Four. So there's no way this is going to be the only way of getting those heroes, but it might take a while before Wolverine becomes available in a more normally-priced set.

[@Alex_Simpson711]

I really want to see Deadpool and Dr strange in this set including juggernaut including other famous marvel characters and I want to play juggernaut as a commander or even Dr strange or even Deadpool as a commander

[@bdienes20]

Secret Lair has never looked so good!

[@stephenbradford8524]

Storm is easily my favorite… but I’ll never forgive whoever came up with “Ororo Borealis.”

[@lanibentz9976]

Use black panther to defrost a dark depths, immediately getting Marit lage Edit: Actually rereading it, you are incorrect, it specifies +1/+1 counters

[@Dekaar]

the issue with this is, that every set has one of those "I want it because it looks so fun" cards - BP being the weakest of the packs imo with ozolith being fun but not 100% mandatory, Commander Plate in Iron Man which is insane and an auto include for every equip strategy (heck even for a monocolored commander), Cap, wolverine and storm looking incredibly incredibly fun and Jeska's will also being insanely good... I guess I'll get Storm because I'm missing a temur deck and don't want to play the generic landfall shenanigans (which I will absolutely build regardless of it being stormcentered)

[@scaredycat3146]

Tbh Storm just seems like a slightly worse OG Narset at the end of the day, with very similiar play patterns but you'll have to jump through some minor additional hoops. Expect the same reactions when playing her.

[@Seedmember]

Wheeeeeen Captain America throws his mighty shieeeeld... All those who chose to oppose his shield must wieeeeeld... Unless you're a plane, or a bomb, or some ice Then he'll choose to take a nap Because the ice seems nice. When Captain America throws his miiiiiiiighty shieeeeld...

[@WCD_Media]

I would prefer that Iron man had been an Artificer with the Fabricate ability.

[@TheLanach]

Might proxy Wolverine. Can't wait for a Universes Within version of the cards though. If they get made...still waiting for other SL designs to be made acessible.

[@BuppGuy]

I think they nailed the flavors on all the reprints

[@egoish6762]

Think this is the best it could be, the lairs are ok, the cards are thematic and just reskins which is great. Only slightly worse than just not printing it 😂

[@MrValentineful]

So, I spent the majority of the last few days thinking about these products. I decided that I'm only ever likely to play these in Commander, and I will not be sitting in queue to attempt to get them for such an absurd price. Instead, I will just include them in my next bulk proxy buy and get the entire Secret Lair at 75 pennies per card. I'm pretty tired of feeling like Wizards just wants to bait and rob me. I still buy peripherals and competitive singles from my local game stores. I'm just not interested in playing their silly game with Secret Lairs. If they go back to print on demand and having better value, I'll give it another look. For now though it's going to be all proxies for the handful of cards that they have made intentionally silly to get.

[@JoeyDCote]

Storm loves some Savage Ventmaw and Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient.

[@StormDjinn1]

The prices are actually super reasonable when you consider that 30 minutes after launch they’ll be sold out and have listings on EBay for $120/lair 🙄