Digital Commander Is Coming

[@styfen]

To reiterate what I've written elsewhere. I'm onboard ONLY if this shares collections with Arena at a minimum.

[@khub5660]

You already know it won't. This is Hasbro we're talking about here

[@quadmasterXLII]

Someone reading this comment has already bought 12 scalding tarns (cardboard, mtgo, arena) and will not hesitate to buy a 13th. Since they are willing, there's no way the commander client shares collections.

[@monkaeyes3417]

I will only accept it if they are extremely generous with it. Like here, have a whole, 100 card, decently competitive deck this weekend because we feel like it. And here have another the weekend after. You got a win? Here have a whole pack for it, and that'll be one of 3 available packs you can earn today! And guess what? As its all singleton decks, absolutely no duplicates in any of those packs. You got all the commons? Well we'll just have to fill those slots with uncommons then! It could be done well. But I know it won't be done THAT well

[@PleasantKenobi]

That should be the minium. It won't be.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

Sharing a collection would be great. I'd also be on board if it has all formats. If they are adding all cards for commander than they can easily implement modern. I'd like to play modern online and have been thinking about buying into mtgo.

[@DerekScottBland]

Not gonna bother. Tabletop Simulator on Steam is good enough once you learn it. I'm not going to go buy another new collection to play - because we know they won't allow you to import your Arena collection or MTGO collection over. People like you can hop on board because your channel revenue will most likely pay for it. The rest of us can't afford yet another money sink.

[@itsjustme7450]

Thank you for editing the R words out of your comment.

[@itsjustme7450]

It’s a joke, he didn’t do that.

[@JohnSmith-vk9ds]

Yup. I have a friend that I converse with on Discord who lives across the ocean in a whole-ass other country and who I just taught how to play Magic using the digital table in Tabletop Simulator. We've played almost every day for the last two weeks and it's been great.

[@dracish123456789]

yeah talk about how to bypass wotc's stuff openly. Make wotc more aware of it.

[@Freddisred]

Really cool how players can choose to play desktop or VR and still be in the same ingame room

[@JohnSmith-vk9ds]

Literally Chris Cox: "Yeah we could just update MtG: Arena to handle four players at once but then people would have access to all the cards they've already bought/earned and we wouldn't be able to fleece them for more money..."

[@MagickP00dle]

You think that's bad? Wait until they decide to create the authentic MTG experience and make the digital Secret Lair's a limited quantity release too.

[@EwMatias]

I find this statement very weird because the Arena team has said very recently they are actively working on adding multiplayer. That it will take years and they will have to hire a whole new team to do it, but that it's all in motion.

[@carlhannah1884]

It wouldn't be an update, though. Making Commander work is in the realm of creating an entire new game client. That being said, that new client could be built to handle all of the single player stuff and could replace Arena. If they allow card migration, WotC would earn back so much of the loyalty they burned and make so much more money in the long run. So, we all know that won't be happening.

[@JohnSmith-vk9ds]

@@carlhannah1884 I cannot stress enough how little WotC cares what people actually think about them. They own the sole copyright to a product desired by millions which means they have a captive audience. If you've ever felt like the subtext of a Hasbro announcement regarding Magic is, "You'll take what we offer and be grateful we're giving you this much," it's because it absolutely was.

[@JohnSmith-vk9ds]

@@EwMatias Plans are in motion all the time when you are dealing with a live service game. Those plans are also subject to change at a moment's notice per the whims of the executive who gets it in his head that his next idea is guaranteed to make the line go up.

[@wiiblewobble]

Cockatrice is right there

[@Shattered_Entertainment]

It's what I use

[@Debatra.]

So is TTS.

[@PitFighterPlus]

And Untap

[@venge1894]

And Xmage

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

And all of these are things a lot of us can't use. Including mtgo. However, if they develop it like Arena, I'd be able to play it on the only piece of technology I own, my phone.

[@jarad9946]

we already have digital commander, its called table top simulator

[@korytoombs886]

mtgo

[@Hairaldan]

The puzzlemode from duels of the planeswalkers was amazing!

[@JStack]

It’s what got me back into magic lol

[@TheBlackboxgameingCo]

Magic is and will continue to be a victim of its own success. The combination of Hasbro being managed so poorly thats it struggles to profit while owning some of the most recognizable brands and ips in the world, and that Magic is the one thing they own that makes bank for them will inevitable lead to magic continually trying to monetize their players because we as a player base have shown a remarkable tolerance for these things. I don’t ow what or when the breaking point is, but they will continue to probe at those edges. If Hasbro doesn’t get it shit together soon, be prepared for some sort of crash at some point

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

For me, the breaking point was Nexus of Fate. Haven't bought new product since it was announced.

[@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124]

​@@casteanpreswyn7528 why nexus of fate

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124 because a buy-a-box promo should never be something that is a must run. It should just be a fun thing.

[@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124]

@@casteanpreswyn7528 yeah that's insane

[@Aigis31]

Honestly, as someone who hasnt spent much on MTGO or Arena, I'm keeping an open mind about this project. If it has all the visual flair and ease of use of Arena, but is multiplayer snd supports commander, I'll try it out! Hopefully they consider adding PDH to the client too (would just need to allow for nonlegendary uncommons to be a Commander, provided the rest of your deck is all commons. Treat it like a Companion clause internally!) because I think that would make me really get into it. I love the lower power level and cost of entry that Pauper formats provide!

[@Aldrnari956]

“Hey, kids! Do you love going down to your local game store, meeting up with three friends, and playing the fun and social format of Commander, but you hate having to go to your local game store, you don’t have any friends, and you hate being social or having fun? Well, then do we have a new game for you!” -Hasbro marketing, probably

[@halcyonacoustic7366]

And you can MAKE NEW FRIENDS at the game store if you don't have any!

[@LlywellynOBrien]

Imagine the salty ropers given the power to annoy two more people

[@Raro404]

NGL that really speaks to me. I have severe social anxiety and am prone to panic attacks after my tour of Afghanistan. I love MTG but really struggle with the social aspect as a result.

[@KnicKnac]

If this was talked about in 2010/11 I would've been down. I live in an area where the closest game store is 45min away. So an online client to get more goofy EDH games with friends would have been awesome. We did play in person on college campus. MtGO is just excel with extra slop.

[@walkingdonut1385]

I want a new mtg shandalar type game

[@GabAssbreaker]

Or a remaster of the old Shandalar, with some game rule updates

[@Aigis31]

Check out Mtg forge! It's got an Adventure Mode that's basically Shandalar. Except it's got a lot of the new cards. It's a fan project that keeps surprisingly up to date with new releases!

[@sergewind2208]

SO MUCH THIS There's a mod of Shandalar with modern cards but it's not enough, i need more

[@FyrSprockets]

I would absolutely pay ~$70 for a game made by Wizards for something like Xmage where you have access to ALL cards in MTG available at no additional cost and the players get to dictate what the play group can and cannot have in their decks. That being said, Wizards would NEVER do that. Unfortunate.

[@JesperoTV]

You know, I think I would even pay $10 a month to have access to the "all cards"-client, but deterministic pricing will never happen

[@royalal]

I’m not collecting, sorry BUYING my cards a fourth fucking time to play commander on a new client.

[@Muertoloco13]

A while ago i saw how much i spend on duels, I won’t make the same mistake again if collections are not shared I won’t play. Also 1v1 experience is abysmal some times, I don’t know if i could tolerate two more opp with similar behaviors.

[@Debatra.]

The thing about 4-player is that people can't afford to just be dicks and remove *everything* you ever play. The other three players have two more opponent's to worry about too, and whoever establishes themself as "the threat" or "the dickwad" will be ganged up on.

[@gully041]

Spelltable is available whenever I want to get a game or two in and my normal group can't meet. I'd rather play in paper regardless. Playing an Arena-like version of Commander actually sounds awful. No talking, no politicking, just silence and emote spamming. Oh, and you're going to have to rebuy cards you already own.

[@enricomassignani]

Commander without irl interaction would be so boring.

[@franslair2199]

We are talking about a digital version. Why are you sounding exactly like an apple fanboy? "You don't even NEED a 3.5 jack, you should just be using Bluetooth". Huh?

[@Eric_DJ]

They could just unlock all cards then charge a CHEAP subscription add voice chat like discord and a link to invite friends ... who knows

[@elliesbian]

Yeah but the problem is they're going to think that cheap equates to something like $30 a month or some fuckery. 😢

[@LouisKing995]

I was never surprised that Wizzards didn’t put commander on Arena. The two modes would be competing with each other, just like digital and paper standard do.

[@_Ve_98]

People also just can't even grasp how absurdly hard it is to do. It's the stuff of nightmares for a developer.

[@nightmarebananaful]

It's frustrating to know that even if this isn't a good sim for commander, it will still make money. And I cant argue,it would probably be extremely accessible from almost any device. I just cannot fathom a official(tm) way to play Commander that won't be a exploitively priced to hell, and the idea of sharing collection is a cold comfort that is not replicated on any of their playforms. I am all for finding ways to play commander online, which is why I suggest anyone looking to do this like just chuck the $25ish dollars at tabletop sim and enjoy the best interation of commander I've ever tried. Completely customizable, easy to import custom cards, and best of all is a one time purchase.

[@FluxChanneler]

I was really optimistic about Arena when it first released. I didn't really like the app, itself, or the way that dailies worked, but I was willing to give it a chance when it was new. When it became apparent to me that we weren't going to get Commander or a full backlog of the card library there, I left. I do enjoy competitive 1v1 Magic, but the main draw of the game, for me, is the social aspect, and Arena just doesn't replicate it very well. I can't talk to my opponents, and I can't make friends there. I can't call up people I know and recreate the hours-long weekend games of Commander that we'd play in college. Every time I load up Arena, I might as well be playing against bots, and that's just not as fun for me.

[@_Ve_98]

Arena is just a terrible client in many ways. It's just hard to notice because the alternative feels like if your nightmares ran on Windows XP.

[@rainbowcrash6990]

Chris Cox.. lover of red decks... desires immediate profit without long-term vision. Sounds like his business ethos, too.

[@TobiasLeonHaecker]

Is this a commander video? But seriously, commander never changed the way, people played. I remember findly, how we sat in 8th grade in the 90tys with 7 kids around a ping pong table with our 200 cards decks (because nobody wanted to cut his cool cards from his deck) with 10round of set up time where nobody was allowed to attack or destroy something. And this is exactly the spirit of casual commander I enjoy most.

[@rainbowcrash6990]

Good video, i didnt even think of the time issue from priority. As an former cockatrice user, it was definitely do-able just through chat. But an official, presumably huge platform from the official game.. youd indeed need all rules baked in. Cant count on everyone knowing what theyre doing because it's a more niche space (of fellow turbo nerds).

[@tsukikofudo]

Discord calls and cockatrice is my digital client way of playing commander with mates. With randos I would like an option super low budget and low tech like that. But like arena, it has to make players money sink into commander decks they already own by buying them again. I stopped arena for this reason. Bounced off of Mo do for this reason. I stick to cockatrice cause I just have loose cash.

[@crablegs1193]

As long as it has private games, I'll probably check it out. Randoms you just know will rope either due to salt or not paying attention. But if I can play with my friends who I don't have to worry about that BS with, then it'll be cool.

[@Crushanator1]

Well right now you can buy skins on Arena, but what if you had to rip open hundreds of virtual packs to get a chance at finding a full playset of a alternate art?

[@WCD_Media]

I actually miss Duels of the Plainswalkers. I liked playing MTG on Playstation and I like playing Yugioh Master Duel on Playstation. WOTC should remaster Duels for PS4/5.

[@Oktobyr]

Same... DotP is what got me back into MtG when stumbled across it randomly one day. Even after completing all of it, I'd still play every day. It was my MtGO before MtGO.

[@modx5534]

I unironically would pay 60 euros for this commander game if everything else is free including future card sets.

[@Rockjay288]

I would absolutely pay a monthly subscription for access to every card. That would honestly be awesome imo.

[@Aigis31]

Ngl even if they do something similar to Vanguard Dear Days, as long as the expansion prices aren't ridiculous like Dear Days' are, I'll be on board. I don't mind spending $60 up front and $15-20 every time a new expansion releases if it means I get all the cards for Commander.

[@Aigis31]

Because at that point, it's basically a monthly subscription, but without having to worry about auto renewals, and the ability to stop spending at any time and still be able to play the game.

[@ConManAU]

And I would unironically play it if the CEO paid me a million dollars to do so, but that's about as likely to happen.

[@Tikomer]

No way I am going to pay a second time for my online collection. They can fuck right of if it doesn't share with Arena.

[@arrivtuber]

I'm only interested if it shares collection with arena and precons come with codes to redeem because I'm not that interested in building a new digital collection. But I'm still interested to see how its gonna turn out for example if it will have a chat or if it will have animations like arena has

[@califkids3]

I'm worried what they mean when they say collectability for MTGA is that they want to remove duplicate protection so you can convert the extras into fancy foil versions.

[@Foxpawed]

As long as they give me SOMETHING useful to spend these thousands of common/uncommon wildcards on.

[@EmTekTube]

It’s not an oversight, it’s money. The arena team that develops the game is fairly small compared to how many people play the game. It’s probably cheaper to create another client with another small team than to actually put the work in and integrate 4 player functionality into Arena unfortunately

[@_Ve_98]

We already have 9Gb updates happening, you really don't want the standard client to include the absurd amount of cards that are playable in commander.

[@Foxpawed]

Obviously I'd prefer they let us forwards our collections from Arena, but even as much as I've spent on it, I've also gotten thousands of matches out of it, and I haven't had to invest any more back into it in a year since at this point I have all the staples I care about and when something new comes along, I only need to invest a tenth of my wildcards to get whatever I'm missing since I'm not playing Standard, so I wouldn't feel too burned. I'd love to try playing it in Tabletop Sim but I don't have the energy to find people to play with and ESPECIALLY do not have the energy to try and assemble my commander decks into TTS without even knowing what game within the client I'd be trying to play it through. The main appeal of the Arena client beyond having my established collection is that I can drop in and jam as many matches as I feel like with only a few seconds to queue each match even at odd hours.

[@atlusc]

I will check it out once it comes out. If I end up liking it, I mighht drop Arena. Keeping up with two collections will take more time than I can afford to invest

[@DoctorMckay101]

I left magic arena when it was clear they were not gonna work towards making it an analogue for paper play, more or less when alchemy was released. 3 years later we are just getting Pioneer into Arena. And now they announce they'll be making an entirely separate game lmao.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

3 digital platforms seems like a mistake. I have not spent much on arena or mtgo so I don't feel burned like many people might, but I was about to buy into a modern deck on mtgo and now I think I need to wait for more information. Will wotc add the modern format to this new digital platform? If they have all the cards for commander than adding modern should be easy.

[@neilarnold5506]

Nothing but quality, and now I really want to get Mort the Chicken lol. Games looks like it would be at least good for a laugh from what I've seen of it (all from this channel - or Maybe JRPG Life when they had you on). This was another incredible video and I don't know how I missed this when I was trying to catch up. Thank you for all the hard work you put into your content, and for the entertainment you have brought to soo many people - including myself. Keep doing what your doing, love the content and have a fantastic day!!!! #Roadto40k Super nice pickup from Sprooch, unique collection piece for sure.

[@Issblodh]

I’m considering it. But my treshold is that I can import my physical collection.

[@esrohm6460]

i don't see how in the world we would make multiplayer possible without the mtgo style. like if you do something as fancy as arena it will look like shit with 4 people when the board states are halfway decent build

[@knightofthenorth926]

I could see it work even on arena if there's a camera you can move around the table. It wouldn't be too unlike online strategy games like civilization that have massive boards.

[@esrohm6460]

@@knightofthenorth926 we'll see in due time but i think just it is either so cluttered you can't make out what is there or it gets really exhausting navigating and keeping track of things. despite being technically turn based is it very normal vor everyone all at once do things in a turn which needs you to have the general gist of everything from everyone all at once at all times

[@bobby45825]

IF this has a lobby system to invite your friends to and has voice chat and a ease of accessibility to EVERY card printed, then, if i ever return to the game, this might be the way. Schedules of grown adults and driving distances make getting together in person often times impossible.

[@wrathisme4693]

*I'll second other people's recommendations for MTG on tabletop simulator!* It really does feel exactly like playing in paper

[@MossyRiverRock]

The only other thing I think the Marvel Snap comment could be referring to is making a faster “dumbed down” version of a game of MTG like how the new Pokémon TCG Pocket has a dumbed down version of the Pokémon TCG in it whilst mostly being a pseudo NFT pack opening simulator. Like Marvel plays pretty fast so they may want a simpler faster version that fits better on mobile like that. No idea how you make that. I never played the Duels of the Planeswaller games were those simplified MTG rules? So so,etching like that. But yeah as you’ve said we already have the million skins and treatments of cards.

[@jadiekat56]

Yeah...not stoked but hope its least playable.

[@iburnicus]

Not that it's gonna happen but i would find it interesting to play a format where you cant spend actual money but can build up a collection by playing the game upgrading/building up a deck , there's been yugioh masochist challenges like this on master duel for example, if they screw up monitization it will be banned in my country anyways...just like master duel, pokemon and many other games

[@commiecommandermtg]

Commie Commander here, I know it won't be like this because that would make too much sense. But I would love it to be a flat cost to get into it, and then expansions with each physical product release for like 10.00. I just want to play fucking commander. I don't want to collect shit, I don't want to loot box anything. Give me the god damn cards and let me play.

[@Acidblack027]

I’m looking forward to the app. As long as it’s on iOS I’m game. I hope it’s not as expensive as arena though…. It’s commander and it should be accessible.

[@Freddisred]

Don't forget apple price gouges because they get a 30% cut on in-app purchases and most apps and subscriptions charge more when you buy them on an iPhone (so check in a desktop browser first when possible).

[@syndicate5357]

As a retro VG collector I thought the ET line was great

[@7nineofspades5]

@pleasantkenobi Paring, as in paring back, trimming

[@liveanotheranime3526]

A way to play digital commander, but can we play commander with Archenemy AND Planechase…at the same time? 😮

[@AaronOneal-e7h]

Good maybe it will have the same impact that Arena had on Standard and we can get back to normal gameplay.

[@the5thstack]

MtG Commander a stand-alone video game. I'll stick to paper.

[@Larkinzzz]

MTGO: *exists*

[@penguinwarcry]

IDK why everyone pretends it doesn't exist, it works well and is miles cheaper than the actual irl product as well as arena. I mean I know why Hasbro doesn't acknowledge it but content creators please just point everyone to MTGO.

[@sangreiti]

“We’ve had a blast playing standard. Wanna switch to commander?” “Sure!” Close application Open application Needs update “I have to take a break for download. 😢”

[@_Ve_98]

This would be solved by using a launcher that doesn't suck ass, like steam.

[@TheDarkElder]

Oh it would be so easy to transport our collection from Arena. We already need a Wizards account to play arena, in there the cards are just lines in a text file - essentially. But I doubt they'll make it happen: They need to sell their crap again and again. I just hope it'll be more like MTGO with a store system, who would want to forge a deck from 70 wildcards plus 30 basics? That'd e the worst part.

[@_Ve_98]

Nope, they are most likely just entries with an ID and amount in a database separate from the game servers. It's just far more efficient when you have so many cards. So you don't even have to integrate with Arena servers, just use the same database.

[@TheDarkElder]

@@_Ve_98 Sure, program-wise they are entries in a database. Not my point though, you could just copy/export the very data into the new system, or even use the same database and add "the rest of the cards" to it.

[@m.mulder8864]

Ive already sold my collection and live a proxy only life. I sure as hell wont be getting a digital collection that I dont actually own and can't cash out of.

[@dragade101]

@5:48 You touch on this a bit. I think tables have difference tolerances for how late can you react to something. Meaning as someone is casting stuff and we are assume auto passing (in Magic, !MTGA/!MTGO), how much grace do you give someone? Maybe once I will tolerate someone who is dicking around on their phone/watch/side conversations but ask them to be present and not to do that again. Though I'm sure people will play 'oh I thought this was a caaasssual table and we could pretend to not be paying attention'. (Its one thing if you know what this player is doing and still consent to them playing in your group. That digital commander needs to have some kind of take back system. That opponents accept the guilty plea and let them play differently. There needs to be a timeline of past events; to ‘undo the stack, priority passes, phases, and how turns ended. Ideally this is a mode you check on or off. And is locked out in tournaments. In 4 player, you need super majority to have this even a possibility, to request changes to past events in a game. I’m talking about a model to make digital commander as customisable as paper commander is in a key way.)

[@GoblinTherapy]

Does anyone else hear a milking machine off in the distance?

[@V1C10US]

What if it's a VR game, that lets you use your paper Magic cards under a camera?

[@Freddisred]

*cough cough* tabletop sim *cough*. In seriousness that will be so cool when somebody makes that kind of AR card game with little yugioh style summons standing on your battlefield.

[@omenofthephoenix]

I know for me, I play digital versions of real games a lot differently than in person. The ease of access, the anonymity, both make me impatient and care less about the game. (same for chess and mtg, and probably others). So I doubt I'll play (much) commander digitally on a new client. I barely play with my friends on TTS as it is.

[@Smapdi_Flaffermann]

If they launch this separately from Arena, without a shared library, I quit. I've been on the fence for quite a while now, but that would definitely be the last straw.

[@garageink74]

If they made a full commander legal app…. Then you should be able to play every other format on it since all the cards would be there.

[@_Ve_98]

That's an insanely huge IF. We don't even have full pioneer on arena yet.

[@syndicate5357]

Is it gonna have voice chat? If not it's gonna be that silent commander that I love

[@Oktobyr]

Maybe im jaded, but after already having physical cards and then building an MTGO collection, switching to a Mac for work, and now can't play without jumping through hoops. Just come out with Mac MTGO (and update MTGO in general), add Commander to Arena. Options are there, but it's shady to consider making another paid service spreading players thin to rebuy cards for the 200th time.

[@_Ve_98]

You're wrong about the cost of implementing the cards. I don't blame you, the issues aren't obvious to a non developer. It's true that the UI design will be the most innovative part of the client, but it doesn't have any scaling issues. It can work the same with 4 players or 10, with 400 cards or 4 million. Yes, it's tricky, but not resource intensive. And honestly, neither is implementing cards or mechanics, not individually at least. The real issue is how they compound. If you implement double the cards your costs don't double, they increase exponentially. The more cards and mechanics, the more interactions and corner cases you need to handle and the more you need to optimize the code that does so. In theory, you could implement Magic declaratively: just code the rules of the game and let the computer deduce the interactions that emerge. You'd need a supercomputer to run it, but it would work. That's actually what our brains do when we play paper magic, we just don't realize how computationally intensive that is because most of us don't even realize how absurdly powerful our brains are as computers. So instead we're forced to manually handle each case and do it in the most efficient way possible to avoid freezing the game as we check for every possibility.

[@marmeus]

Wake me up when wotc does one single good move

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[@jakebrewster4911]

3:44 "...get those players who are scared to play in tournaments to play..." I think that is unfair. I used to play standard a lot when I was a in my teens and I love 1v1 gameplay. But that was 10 years ago. I no longer have the time to keep up with the meta of standard nor do I have the money to play modern tournaments. For me, this is a hobby and I do not have much extra money nor time to spend on a hobby to know about and then purchase the best cards that will win me tournaments. I have just enough time to make a fun deck out of cheap cards that I can use to spend time with friends playing a game.

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

11:39 “BEH”

[@JStack]

It’s so wild that at the start of Arena they didn’t wanna spend 6 months to a year laying the foundation for 4 player because it had to be ready for the “they’ll remember your name,” esports gimmick. One of their biggest flops ever. Their biggest format on their biggest digital investment, or a bad tournament that couldn’t even decided who goes first for a match and people had to keep restarting lol

[@jgjgkn]

They can release all cards free, then sell variations as BM and it will rake money I bet you

[@Volkbrecht]

The only way they could get me interested in this is as a subscription based model. 10 to 15 € per month for the full card pool of the client, however big it is going to be.

[@eionhd2715]

Presumably they will have all cards and this could be how they plan to tap into cedh tournaments

[@boringmonkey6958]

Lol can't wait to watch this new client fall on it's arse because we all KNOW there's no way in hell Hasbro will allow us to port our Arena collection over to this new client. This isn't even hate baiting, this is Hasbro they're talking about...

[@Kaleidoscope2412]

MTGO, Duels of the Planeswalkers, Magic Origins, MTG Arena and now this potential Commander format client. Guys, I'm beginning to think WoTC can't competently develop and iterate on a digital client 😮

[@synus1337]

they call me Digital Commander

[@peggle09]

They should just add it to arena.

[@jeremytorres547]

Yeah if its not tied into arena ill pass two collections is enough

[@LucianoCortes-gr2or]

PTCGO migration is not as clear cut as you make it sound, a lot of people lost a lot of things in that transaction due to those cards not being supported by design, and also the new client is shit compared to the old one as there is no more trading.

[@jeannaimarre3537]

Morality, physical cardboard baaaaaby, and fuck all that microtransaction shit. Even if I end up having to play Commander with the hamster I don't have yet.

[@PM-xc8oo]

Can't wait to have THREE terrible ways to play Magic digitally. What a stupid time to be alive.

[@whitehawkomega]

I play a lot of Arena because you can effectively FTP if you put enough time in, I DON'T play MTGO because it's exceedingly difficult to do the same thing, at least without an initial investment, and you'd better hope you're halfway decent so you can win events to get tix. (I may be off base, I haven't touched MTGO since OG Ravnica, and I didn't see a way to play much of anything without spending money, just like in paper.) I'll be salty but begrudgingly play if this Commander client is generous like Arena but doesn't let us share collections with Arena, if it's monetized like MTGO, well, I'm not playing it, I'll just bring my paper decks to my LGS instead.

[@penguinwarcry]

Tired of people dumping on MTGO MTGO is a fantastic place to actually learn how the game works, it walks you through every step and reminds you that you have options to act. Yes it looks basic, and yes you have to click yes/no on actions but lord... it is not clunky, AND IS SO MUCH CHEAPER than any other official option to play magic.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

Oh god it is a clunky mess of a UI. Just because you Stockholmed your way into accepting a engine that belongs in the 90's, doesn't mean that the rest of us should.

[@penguinwarcry]

@leadpaintchips9461 Its not but if you want to collect cards through gotcha mechanics on arana be my guest.

[@JackFischer115]

MTGO is a great place for beginners to get a grasp on how the stack works. That said, it's an absolute dumpster fire of a UI, and there's no excuse for the lack of upgrades over the last 22 years.

[@mooninites755]

That's not what was said; this is a ridiculous clickbait headline. Commander *could* come to Arena, it just doesn't have the technical infrastructure right now to support multiplayer. That doesn't mean they are making an entirely new platform. In fact, if you want a direct quote from Chris Cocks, he said that they are looking to "refresh the platform over the coming couple of years" - which would indicate they intend to iterate upon and improve MTG Arena, not create an entirely new game.

[@BLAZZEKI]

Collector number...it's so simple.

[@BLAZZEKI]

Too many versions for sure tho

[@kedge]

Why is anyone shock? Mtg has done this in the past. They canceled magic duels to make arena.

[@gzzuss]

If don't share with Arena it will just kill arena

[@korytoombs886]

mtgo wins!

[@TeeborGames]

Why does PK have Zuul locked up in his closet?

[@davidcardoso3525]

I have little to no interest. If I want to play online Cockatrice is a thing.

[@BloodMoonGo]

So we will need to buy digital items on a THIRD platform? Hard pass wotc

[@adameschete9165]

If you think MtG has too many different variations of individual cards, I highly suggest you NEVER look into the amount of parallels that baseball cards have.

[@MaiHead92]

Maybe a hot take, idk. But I will not touch this, or any other digital / online version of commander. It completely lacks the core reason why I love the format so much, the social aspect. Yelling into a mic alone in a room feels empty to me. I would rather do something else instead. I enjoy being around people when playing Commander and talking face to face with them. LGS's also give you a great chance to get to know new people to play with and even form friendships in the long run. What does digital EDH offer (webcam or Arena)? Nothing. And i'm not even gonna touch the monetization element which alone is a big enough reason to push me away from online Commander.

[@64-Palms]

*cough* xmage *cough*

[@hostandersson4301]

I live for your dramatic pauses or the allegations .. either honestly I just want to listen to you rant :)

[@sergewind2208]

I don't play Commander anyway so good on WotC for trying to cater to (read: squeeze more money out of) their most paying customer base while ignoring everyone else.

[@CoL_Drake]

Hard pass wotc

[@venkelos6996]

It's kinda funny; not ha hah funny, so much as "saw someone fall, and break stuff they were carrying" funny, but the Reserve List (hypothetically) exists to allow a group of people to keep merchandise that, because of the list, they maintain value. Different iterations of the same card, that came out at the same time, can differ greatly in value, but we can't get a new Gaea's Cradle because that would plunge the value of ALL of them down the drain, and then they're Mana Crypt, or Jeweled Lotus. I'm bringing this up not to harp on a point, but because, in that instance, WotC/Hasbro seems to be claiming that the existing value of aging property is still important to then, even more so than the equity of printing more high-demand copies woyld be, so if sitting, already purchased collections do have value, maybe they COULD allow their Arena collections to maintain value, and let them shift over to a new EDH client? It's the spirit of Commander; using singles of other crap you've got on hand, to fill the time, waiting for the next game of Standard, or Modern, to start, just like MtG was a convenient distraction for waiting for the D&D Wizard player to pick their spells, and the Rogue to spend their skills, after you finished your Fighter in 10 minutes. We all know they won't; Hasbro is seemingly entirely dependent upon Magic to support basically it's entire empire, and they'll want to squeeze every penny out, especially since singleton means even expensive cards, you only need to pull one (sort of). It would be a nice gesture of good will, considering everything else bad going on around them, in the industry, and in the world, in general, but we've seen how important their bottom line is, so maybe not.

[@JStack]

New client and new collection for the surge in new players they’re getting from Universes Beyond. Why make a client favorable to current players who don’t want to spend more money when there’s new Disney adults to plunder

[@jonasbrownlee7279]

i wont be playing online commander that sounds like a fucking nightmare and also it will be random sweats with every card ever made vs the guy who got a virtual precon. if its between friends save your money and screen share tappedout with hand blocked or play with a camera pointed at your playmat. people have already solved commander online and if you want to play High power commander just proxy and find a online cedh group or make one point a camera and done.

[@benriemersma8137]

This is the big fail Hasbro owes their investors to prove they successfully squeezed every last penny out of magic

[@_Ve_98]

The issue is, a shitty economy is not enough for it to fail, it has to fail in a more fundamental way. Commander is just too big and even if people don't pay now they might still pay later when they are forced to lower the cost. If it fails it has to be because it just doesn't work as a product.

[@benriemersma8137]

@_Ve_98 it definitely takes more than just toss in an extra junk rare and double the price. Then double it again. They will need to figure out how to offend even big dumb whales.

[@_DavidLeBlanc]

As someone who has grinded out countless hours in Arena to get a decent sized collection, this is extremely disappointing. We do not need a 3rd client to play MTG digitally.

[@eionhd2715]

I mean we do commander online in any form is a pain rn and arena client can't handle the triggers, multiplayer and probably card size

[@elliesbian]

Do you have any advice for someone who's new to the platform? I've got a pretty nice collection started since apparently I started an account long ago and got a bunch of freebies in my inbox over the years. But I've used up all my rare and mythic wild cards, and now I'm just doing the daily quests. Is that really my only option other than spending money

[@WCD_Media]

Honestly, if I could afford to buy physical Board Games from #Hasbro then I would, but I can barely afford MTG singles online. I have to buy them online because I can't afford the gas to drive to an "Local" Game Store to buy them in person.

[@thedoctorbob7]

If you're that broke, then you should proxy your decks. Well made proxies can be made for $0.20/card online and that means any deck is $20. I have like 20 decks and I only have one of each real card, proxy all duplicates. But personally I also don't care if other people have any real cards, especially if they don't have the money. I want good games not a wallet measuring contest. I think most people are like this these days. You should check with your friend group though. If they're down just have your whole group get into it

[@WCD_Media]

@thedoctorbob7 I actually do proxy my cards for when I'm play testing and theory crafting decks. My friend makes proxies 9 per sheet, with actual card stock that's a little bit better than what WOTC tends to use and only charges 1.00 per sheet. So 1.00 per 9 cards.

[@thedoctorbob7]

@WCD_Media I've also recently become addicted to Pauper EDH. The decks are dirt cheap and surprisingly powerful. My Arabella pdh deck can probably hang at any regular edh table (non cedh) and it cost me like $25

[@L_Zant]

Just use spell table lol

[@jackmatheus]

It cant be easier code everything anew than integrating into arena. its crazy talk. i work in tech. This is bullshit UNLESS its just ANOTHER completely different thing to make more money (and fail because nobody will leave arena, unless they enshitificate arena)