Why Five Years Won't Work

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I've got a lot of feeling about Foundations - lets unpack them and ask "is this really worth the hype?" and "can this last five years?"
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[@mrpoparq]

In my mind, I prefer standard when it’s closer to pauper. Weaker threats, decent interaction, and weird synergies that come from the unique environment.

[@chrisjones6792]

I am giving Foundations a chance, but for me, it's also an off ramp. If Universes Beyond creates a standard thats not for me, I'm sleeving up my starter collection and cube drafting it at home, and probably not coming back.

[@that1jamo]

This set feels like actual magic and not shenanigans.

[@kylegonewild]

Playing RDW after M10 and M11 dropped was so gratifying with access to bolt and Chandra's Phoenix and Inferno Titan. Best time playing Standard for me until Innistrad dropped. I like the idea of a core set thing coming back but man 5 years is a long time for Standard and idk if I'm confident it will pay off in the long run. Also, Standard is now just wearing the corpse of Extended.

[@AJHornet1]

The basic game of magic has always been very good. Power level doesn’t need to be high to enjoy the game.

[@pauldyson8098]

I always loved core sets, unexciting though they were, for two reasons: since they were comprised entirely of reprints and, later, comprised mostly of reprints, it gave my damn wallet a break; even more important, though, core sets, along with the old block structure, gave a sense of cadence/rhythm and a sense of predictable change to formats, to Standard most of all. With all the UB products forthcoming, I think we need core sets now more than ever. None of this is to gainsay anything you say here, Vince; I just fucking love core sets. I also love vanilla ice cream and missionary sex, so do with that what you will. Also, 100% agree with your take that Foundations doesn't make it five years.

[@tthien93]

Hot take: Final fantasy will take a lot of mtg players and congent creators by surprise with how mtg-adjacent it feels. Many people focus on the poster children like Cloud or Sephiroth, but the worlds of most FF games are very high-fantasy. If the design team does a good job showing this, Vince and other mtg players are in for a pleasant surprise.

[@ieatvirgins]

As a FF5 enjoyer, I hope they do Bartz justice!

[@lettsplay8124]

I second this. As a life long final fantasy fan that has played 90% of the entries, I think the final fantasy set is going to mesh very well.

[@ToadimusPrime]

Yup, agreed. I've played most of the games, and when you look at the world outside some of the poster characters...the Gods of FF, the "magic", the artifacts...it all feels similar to many other high-fantasy things.

[@ArtisticTomahawk]

Agreed. I feel like it could be like a mashup of Kaladesh, New Capenna, and Kaldheim Spider-Man though =/

[@djentile7773]

Im stoked for final fantasy set. I will actually be dropping money on that.

[@Tr3yWill]

I'd rather have this set for 5 years than have them do the exact same set with slightly different cards next year. Or in a few months. That's how most sets feel mechanically. 90% of sets feel like the exact same with slight variations on cards. Oh, here's our 2 mana white 3/1 that saves itself somehow. Here's our "thrill of possibility" from this set with a slight change. I hope that Foundations opens space in new sets for not the same ol' cards with [set mechanic] stapled to them.

[@tomleggosaurus1]

That's 100% what I'm thinking Foundations is for. They don't need to keep reprinting these cards now, we just have them for a long time.

[@finalrambobino]

donw wory they will do both

[@IllSendDuckPics]

I think as someone whos not nostalgic to MTG, having played only 1.5 year, the reason why foundations was my favorite prerelease having played them since WoE is just how it didn't add a mechanic. It was just plain and simple.

[@joeferreti9442]

The 5 year thing will very likely fail and WotC will just change everything before 5 years are over. WotC usually barely manages to last one year without making changes with severe impact to everything. :/

[@Jerhevon]

I'm curious what revamps are done along the way. You can revamp the Jumpstart product each year. And maybe only big box stores really need to carry the beginner set and starter collections. And routinely classic games hold a shelf position for years there. Still can find base level Monopoly and Catan after all.

[@minabasejderha5972]

One frustration I have with Jumpstart is that I think it was a big mistake to not have the cards, or at least most of them, be standard legal. You might open a pack where you really like the strategy, and might want to see how it handles in constructed, only to find out that none of the important cards for it are legal anywhere except commander. And I feel like that is gonna bite new players even harder than it bit me. Otherwise, my experience of the Foundations products has been pretty damn good.

[@Crushanator1]

Yeah, an absolute outrage that Jumpstart is advertised in the Beginner Box *and* has the Foundations label but is Commander only. Meanwhile Spider-Man has to be standard legal because it's allegedly too difficult to keep that contained to Commander (when it's clear they want the money and to get away with it)

[@mandatoryburnout]

M10 bolt flavor text chefs kiss

[@miguelfreitas5343]

Honestly, I'm very sad about this whole situation... Not because I dislike Foundations, I love foundations. But it's that love specifically that makes it all the worse when, next year, we have nothing but UB sets and magic sets that sure as well feel like UB. Next year will be a sad one for magic, I feel 😔

[@davwad2]

Were the three regular Magic sets cancelled?

[@AJHornet1]

@@davwad2if you don’t get it, you don’t get it.

[@Kaprak10]

@@davwad2 No, but they don't think Tarkir is Magic apparently.

[@famousstranger8468]

Such a non point 'I'm going to due one day so life is pointless' is what you are saying. You will enjoy magic next year you will keep playing with your friends next year magic is fine

[@scaredycat3146]

It's sort of interesting that a set with no story, no worldbuilding, just a bunch of random cards and characters with some minor lore at most, feels more like a magic set than any other recent set. If the lesson of this should be to change something about the writing process or mostly just give up on magic story I'm not certain. Maybe the "story spotlight approach" is part of the problem. Older sets had a world first and second there might've been some story happening there. And more often than not, you didn't know unless your read the books or articles. Nowadays I feel we have more "action panel cards" so to say, and everything else is somewhat glued on.

[@ty_sylicus]

I always loved Core Sets and look forward to PreReleases with them.

[@Dylfunkle]

I agree with three years, almost exactly, they'll announce early rotation after two. I'd almost bet a triome on that exact unfolding. I absolutely love foundations right now and want to see more of it in the future, a baseline availability for new players is wonderful to me.

[@lostmarble540]

my concern for foundations is it getting immediately powercrept out by the newer sets, cuz if you can build a good deck that's mostly foundations cards then you've got no reason to buy New Product

[@TyrWolf88]

I'm frankly baffled and extremely curious. Why is the set that still sees Kellan in a cowboy hat, has the Gnar skin, Tinybones, jokey wordplay like Hare Apparent, Preposterous Proportions, and Prideful Parent, and a Street Sharks pirate in it "feels like Magic again", but Duskmourn doesn't. Aladdin was a card before Urza existed, The Weatherlight is a Final Fantasy airship, and Amonkhet was just fantasy ancient Egypt. Magic has always been other stuff. I need someone to actually explain (doesn't have to be you), and "vibes" is too vague an answer. Maybe Core Sets themselves contributed enough to Magic's identity as a game that people have been missing the mix of it all, rather than planes and sets dedicated to one aesthetic or another?

[@bendertusepaki8995]

Fundation is the way to make core set financialy viable by having it available for 10x the usual shelf time of such a product.

[@stonepatberg]

Vince, I am very hopeful that the longer time frame( and larger card pool) of standard will help make multiple archetypes viable, I wasn't around whenever extended was a thing but I'm just hoping wizards manages it well.

[@Chilipotamus]

Also, Jumpstart boxes are selling out instantly, I have a few buddies who run a LGS and they said the packs were flying off the shelves when they listed Jumpstart available. They did something weird with the print runs and stocking with Foundations

[@Dylfunkle]

I'm one of the seven players who actually really liked the core sets I was here for. M19, m20, and m21 had some lovely lore hits for a new player, and that's where I started looking into the characters and history of the game before things got... "marvel extended cinematic universy." Universes beyond might have been the psychological warfare to turn players back onto the in universe sets. XD

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

Personally I love seeing these disconnected bits of magic lore from all over the universe, and I’m down with a core set. I loved pulling core sets as a kid and pulling cards that depict truly magical places on them. We aren’t confined by the rules of a single world. We can travel the multiverse in a single pack. It’s kind of given me a strong love for Shandelar. I don’t expect my opinion is super common or anything, but it does make me really happy to see a core set again.

[@viyami]

Here's how it works: Initial optimistic wave with "to demand" small runs until the third or fourth year to let product begin evaporating. I also fully believe that Foundations sets are intended to begin serving as foundations for new 60 card eternal formats.

[@nielsmandemakers720]

Im having so much fun in standard now that foundations is out

[@Chainsawyou]

They should do multiple foundations, maybe a yearly cycle, like foundations 25,26

[@MCXL1140]

I'm hopeful that the first set we see in 2026 is a foundations type supplement. Foundations is this big long-term standard legal set, but I'm hoping that what they do is they have some sort of sub core sets that add to that easy onboarding pathway.

[@korsvisscher4898]

I have noticed the positive vibe, which is kinda a nice chance of pace from magic discourse, I don't think they will rotate it after three years, unless they change the whole rotation thing again. The point is to make standard more of a sound investment, and if you lie about that, idk, I don't see it happening

[@briankuczynski6884]

I remember some comment that wotc isn't rushing to make a 4th horizon set for modern because balancing around that power level is so much harder. Pioneer horizons is definitely coming though!

[@rocktop-games]

The thing is that there are going to be so many sets in standard now that foundations will be so watered down in there that I doubt you will be bored of being the same cards. Also, mechanically we get a ton of "repeated" cards every few sets. A version of "wrath of god", a version of "o ring" a version of "bolt/shock", etc just side graded or tweaked with the set mechanics. We can save on those now.

[@kieranbridges161]

Went back to make sure you don't have a ghost... You're all good cupboard was always open. 😅

[@V1C10US]

108 of the Jumpstart cards are standard legal: Scryfall: (game:paper) legal:standard set:j25

[@UnrealCheetah]

As someone who could never get into standard because of the rotation happening so much and can’t afford it, I actually feel like it’s possible to play standard with these cards in standard for 5 years as a base for current and future standard metas

[@madcowmoo666]

So two things. 1: They have said Foundations is print to demand for the time it is legal. So if sales slow they will print less but it will still be printed to keep it cheap. 2: My LGS sold out of Foundations to the point we didn't have enough for the release night draft and they bought 50%(or more) than they usually buy of a set they think will sell well.

[@megapussi]

I heavily agree with the "they arent gonna make it to 5 years" bet. My bet is 2-3 years in theyre going to announce some sort of revision or supplement or w/e they wanna call it, and be like "okay foundations is staying for 5 years, we're just, like, adjusting it! that totally counts!"

[@Kleshumara]

Worth noting for mtg arena players: in Alchemy, Foundations is treated as a regular set and rotation time is 2 years.

[@zanehaythorn4140]

I hope that foundations does manage to remain somewhat relevant through its tenure, even if its not particularly likely. I think it can have a meaningful effect re-invigorating standard, which I can only see as being good for the game. My whole playgroup entered into magic pretty recently, and rapidly got enchanted with and then burned out from commander as it was nigh on impossible to convince any of us to get into any 60 card competitive format. Standard just seemed a waste of money, Modern seemed to have too high a barrier to entry and too expensive to keep up with, and pauper has no play base at my LGS. For the first time since I started playing, my friends actually are excited to enter into a 60 card format and play anything other than commander and limited. Foundations having so many classic reprints is helping get a lot of these cards into our hands and build up a good collection for the first time since core sets stopped. Im worried the next few years of standard legal UB cards, likely power crept, might kill that enthusiasm, but its good seeing my friends actually happy about magic again

[@TheHarmpo]

I'll be curious to see how much they actually end up printing the set and what the value of cards and boxes is going to be like say 4 years from now

[@HasBruce]

If they wanted to sell Foundations it should have had reserved list numbered chase cards. Do like 9 of the power 9 and 500 of each dual. I'm sure they could come up with some reason why Numbered cards gets around the reserved list.

[@quartersskates]

I really like Foundations, but we have to realize that a lot of the hype is coming from the fact that we are viewing it as a last hurrah before Wizards fucks all of us with Universe Beyond. There is little value in the set and that will dwindle with 5 years of printing, it's been hard for me to sink me teeth into the set or justify spending money on it.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Got no actual problem with universes beyond in a vaccuum but to this point its clearly been enough of a focus that wotc have put less effort into in universe sets to the point where we had ZERO good magic feeling sets this year until foundations. MKM was just detective hats. Thunder junction was just cowboy hats. Bloomburrow was just Redwall. Duskmourne was ALMOST cool but then it was just a vehicle for 80s tropes... Modern Horizons is a fuckfest every time and has no theme besides "power creep". Its fucking embarrassing how little effort went into all of these sets. Thank the gods we're getting Tarkir soon but we're also getting fucking wacky races and magic in space. I HATE what theyve done to the in universe stuff. Meanwhile the UB stuff is actually very strong thematically and delivers basically every time and its OBVIOUS its where all their A team effort is going. Hate it.

[@PleasantKenobi]

Even if you hate the powecreep, saying MH3 has no theme is absolutely false.

[@the5thstack]

Hopefully this set would get new players gathered by old/veteran players.

[@Chilipotamus]

As someone who enjoys wasting their money on collector packs, I haven't seen a rush on collector packs like this ever, the print run was so small and it's unlikely WotC will "accidentally" find a few more palates of them in a warehouse. My LGS is limiting people to 4 collector boosters per day because they've already churned through a bunch of their stock. People seem to be really getting after the cards with this release, more than I saw in Duskmourn or Bloomburrow, though as you said it might just be because of the new shiny aspect of it. Time will tell, but as someone who has zero interest in Final Fantasy, I don't mind having Foundations to fall back on when the current set isn't to my tastes.

[@TripppAU]

Think a lot of the success is also driven from the fact we want to show WotC that core magic and quintessential magic product is still greatly in demand, and they shouldn't just ditch it to the way side.

[@RadstacheAbides]

It won't become hard to find, they can just print more. Rosewater has said they can keep printing it as much as they need to.

[@GamerFlair]

The problem is honestly just that, 5 year foundations doesn't fix any of the actual issues with standard. The main issues with standards is too many stand alone sets every year, whilst having to have each stand alone set balanced for limited. This results in there being way, way too many options when it comes to "staple" cards. If they are insistant on 6 sets a year and having UB sets, I would prefer to see them doing 2UB sets and then either 2 2 set blocks, or a 3 set block and a standalone. This is because you don't need to print 6 different black premium removal options a year, because we don't want to print a card into 2 sets in a year, but at the same time we need a premium black removal card in every set cos limited. Same applies to counterspells, unsummon style effects etc. For years now, the best standard decks have just straight up been "good stuff" decks. You don't get decks based on the mechanics of any set really, because they are too inconsistant since your pulling cards from 10% (or less now) of the the legal cards. That never used to be the way. Back when I played heavily in the early to mid 00's, you did get good stuff decks, but you got huge amount of decks that actually pulled from the themes of the sets. UG Madness, centered around Madness. Goblins, centre around the tribe theme. Various versions of Slide, centred around Cycling. Affinity around affinity.

[@olipod5470]

How much limited do you play? I’m asking because you don’t seem to know that most of the premium removal printed for limited does not end up seeing play in standard. Same for counterspells. You say that because the sets are balanced for limited they feed too many staples into standard? If you throw limited balance out of the window those sets would feed even more staples into standard. 3 set blocks have failed and will never work, 3rd set of a block is almost always a disaster. I want to believe in 2 set blocks but they completely fumbled the last one they did (ONE was amazing [worst limited set in the last 5 years tho] MOM was a story disaster, and let’s not even talk about Aftermath) so I doubt they repeat the experiment anytime soon. Did you forget that Affinity was a completely broken, meta-warping deck that caused players to quit Magic and Kamigawa block to be completely underpowered? The worst? Affinity stopped playing cards with Affinity at some point, so even that does not support your point. But the message behind is valid, new mechanics are balanced for limited, not pushed enough, and the good cards are few and far between to make a good standard deck out of them most often. But hey there are exceptions! Boros Mice and Mono Red Valiant exist, there is a poison deck and you could say domain decks are in standard since 3 years already (even tho they are almost like Affinity not playing Affinity cards)

[@GamerFlair]

@@olipod5470 Because there are so many different options. Feed the Cycle would see play in standard if it wasn't for the existance of Cut Down, Go for the Throat, Anoint with Afflicition, Sheoldreds Verdict, Shoot the Sheriff and Bitter Triumph, without covering the sacrifice removal spells, of which there are currently 4 different versions, 2 of which exile and one of which also hits planeswalkers. Theres currently 4 Shocks in the format, at least 7 board wipes in white alone (not including Temp Lockdown/Split up etc that are only situational wipes). Affinity was busted, but that was only because it was an outlier. Affinity wouldn't be hated today, because theres a dozen aggro decks that consistantly win on turn 3-4 if they draw the nuts and you don't have the right interaction. It also abused damage on the stack in a way that wouldn't be possible today either. And it was just everywhere, it was relatively easy to play half way decently (its actually got an exceptionally high ceiling to play really well, but its hard to play it "badly") and it bled into Extended too so you couldn't even shift formats to escape it. It was a horrible format for casual players, but its was actually pretty damn fun for competitive ones. Whilst it was very strong, it was also fairly easy to hate out, which is why it didn't actually win nearly as much as you would have expected a so called "one of the strongest decks ever" to win. Boros Mice and Poison aren't anywhere near actually competitive. Domain isn't domain, its just 3 colour good stuff with an extra land or two to cast Leyline for cheaper. I can maybe give valiant, since it does warp from the typical, haste prowess burn of RDW to haste prowess and pump due to valiant. But even that is started to fade out because now theres enough burn again that RDW is going back to the default or playing all the best haste/prowess creatures + burn (and whilst challanger remains because its really good, alot of them are starting to cut manifold/heartfire hero). Affinity was always a Mirrodin block themed artifact deck. Quite how many cards were affinity varied over time, but thoughcast and Frogmite were basically always run, you always had Ravager/Worker with modular. Kamigawa was underpowered due to the backlash against the outlier of Affinity, but really, the reason the format was hated was because it was fucking boring. The decks had no character, they were all just grindy midrange/control shells. Jitte Meloku and Gifts were the best cards in the format, but they were very, very difficult to play with and play against, which made it unpleasent for casuals because every single viable deck had an exceptionally high skill floor that meant the better player would win far, far more often then normal.

[@misomiso8228]

7:19 I feel that in the early days of magic the story was not so specific. There was a lot of implied story telling, and a lot of mystery as to who exactly a lot of mentioned characters were. That sparked something in the mind of the players, and let them create a world in their own heads as to what Magic was. Nowadays, even though they spend more money, the story telling has got a lot worse. A lot of the sets are 'return to' sets, or sets that are 'Magic plus SOMETHING' (Cars, Space, mice etc). There are sometimes hits. I personally really liked the world of Bllomburrow and thought Duskmourn was good, though to my mind in both of these sets they were way to cautious with the art - both of them were crying out for more creativity, risks, and daring art style choices, but WotC was not having it :-(. And in the UB you have hits as well. LotR MtG was amazing, lets be honest. What would be good to see is a NEW MtG story, that takes lessons from OLD MtG, where we don't learn everything about the world and the characters, but we also get archtypal characters of the colours, bildusroman story telling etc etc that the young people love!

[@Kallistosprom]

Bring back Revised!

[@Kallistosprom]

Or am I just being old.

[@IdlestHands]

Most of the buzz around Foundations is about the mechanics of it, very few people are gushing over it because of the IP or lore elements, which is fair enough as they are thin on the ground.

[@misomiso8228]

Great vid dude. Just wanted to add!

[@elpokitolama]

Somehow the video's title doesn't feel like it matches the vibe of the video itself... Really liked it though, you really expressed stuff that I bet a ton of us have felt about the game recently - it *is* good but... It feels like Magic doesn't play to all of its strengths That's what the omenpaths make me scared of too - worlds will lose some of their uniqueness (and I feel like it will be a lesser spoken issue of Aether Drift), so I still hope we'll have a multiverse-scale event that'll shut most of them down, make them unstable, and have Ravnica be Ravnica and not just the new main hub for travelers

[@rogueinvestor2375]

They should make sets Standard legal for 6.9 years.

[@andrewbrock3675]

Were hype about foundations cause starting here soon our 1 mana mana dorks in standard will be Kitty Pryde or a HYDRA goon. The Titan cycle will include Larry the lobster from sponge Bob. And there's gunna be a while set about pod racing from the worst star wars movie following a bad cowboy and detective set. The future looks bleak to a lot of us. Let us enjoy an actual MTG set.

[@simonstead93]

Aren't we talking about having a foundational set over 5 years and then having a shorter rotation over the top of it? that's my understanding/prediction of what's going on with standard now. Hasbro can get f**ked but feels like there's some listening to people with respect to extending the rotation period to make sure people get into standard without the risk of rotation out in 12 months, then having the meta form over the top so people have a better stable card base to build their decks out of when the meta changes because of a bomb that comes out in 18 months time, genuinely would love to here what you think, i'm only 2 years in to mtg

[@TreyVaswal]

Five years is a long, long time in MTG.

[@jkdeadite]

It would be cool if they at least mixed up the Special Guest slot every year. What's the incentive to keep opening and playing these cards when it's a crusty 4yo core set?

[@nosrin1988]

I like the new krenko art and flavor text. I do wish this set had a few more goblins, like a classic raging goblin type, you know, 1/1, for R, with Haste, and then something else added on cause power creep.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

4:00 and they both have Ajani on the box! 😂

[@PleasantKenobi]

Nailed it.

[@alistairetheblu]

One thing not touched on, with everyone hating the idea of 6 standard sets a year, this continuing to be legal will pile on top of that. Say 3 years down the line when all the current standard sets are out, you'll have the current sets to go for, but also still this set.

[@71ganz]

I hope Foundations does amazing and the universe beyond next year flops. Probably not, but I can hope. At my lgs, they sold out of Foundations in like two days. Anecdotal, but I haven't seen them sell out of anything in a while. They still have a couple packs from their first box of thunder junction still.

[@Banaanivatkuli]

Foundations stays standard legal 5 years but isn't really sold after Walls set that reprints the best Foundations cards and adds powercrept new shinies.

[@Azeria]

Worth mentioning that core sets all have ugly ass set icons and foundations doesn’t.

[@sanguinedeserter561]

THE MTG COMMENTER

[@christhompson8003]

7 didnt, 7s icon was cool. Loved the stylized 7 and would have prefered it if all core sets had followed that style.

[@kurdist_baleer]

4th didnt...

[@Azeria]

@@christhompson8003 yeah I meant the ones named after the year, not the Xth editions.

[@brendans1983]

​@@kurdist_baleer to see the 4th Edition set symbol you just have to soak the card in black coffee for 3 minutes, makes it stand right out 🍻

[@davwad2]

Foundations 2: Cardboard Bugaloo

[@kylemccool1037]

I think you raise a very good point about the logistics of printing the Goldilocks amount of product for something that needs to be available for five years. They have to somehow maintain the products desirability and relevance while not over printing, which is a tough needle to thread. I’d be surprised if they manage to solve that equation without loss occurring somewhere in the down line

[@SkullivanBones]

i miss core sets

[@Aigis31]

Heartbreaking: Foundations is so good that it makes Magic fans depressed that there wont be another Foundations any time soon

[@TheDarkElder]

Alright, let's set a reminder for 23 Nov 2027 and see if Foundations is still going for another two years or if it got scrapped already! Honestly, I rather hope for the latter. Else it may well have become a stale and ignored set by then. Sure, great as entry level product but does it draw in new players as all the UB sets (allegedly) do? Doubtful.

[@prestonandcats9745]

core sets are great if they would reprint good stuff

[@skynyrdjesus]

Foundations will be legal until my child starts middle school and honestly just typing that makes me feel like I'm about to turn into dust and fade into the wind.

[@Itachi45481]

I glade foundations is liked I was wary when they added it but now I’m glade a real back to normal magic set without a gimmick not that they shouldn’t have it hpjust less over the top and not universes beyond for half the year

[@ty_sylicus]

Jump/Start 3 is incredible!

[@joeferreti9442]

No, it's not.

[@boringmonkey6958]

The thing that sort of confuses me about Foundations is, how exactly will these cards remain the "foundations" of Standard, or even remain relevant for five entire years? I don't see power creep allowing for that. Which sort of ties into your point about foundations packs ending up rotting on shelves. People won't want to purchase Foundations packs if in 2/3 years time, the power level of Standard renders the set irrelevant.

[@CthulhuBut2FeetTall]

I always loved core sets. My first set was a core set and they've always held a special place in my heart. I'm hesitant about the 5 year model, but I was excited for the return to a core set.

[@zackfro]

Hey! I like your videos.

[@melind82]

Yeah I don't think it'll last either. There is just nothing about foundations that stops it from being a problem in the same way that core sets were.

[@djkatsuo]

1000% chance they release foundations 2025 with new cards.

[@williamalexhayden]

Drunk hottake without listening to the video, let hasbro/wizards figure out how to save the franchise, and not fight the first option that comes our way in a reasonable mannor

[@Relinquished001]

Real.

[@Soshikix]

Call me crazy, but every set should feel like every set should feel like MTG.

[@grindcardoso1]

Crazy talk bro.

[@misomiso8228]

I like it.

[@olipod5470]

I mean realistically most of the Foundations cards won’t be relevant in 3 years, but some will still be played for the entire duration, like Llanowar Elves. I think the set being available for 5 years is… just a good thing. It’s not a problem, it’s not rotating standard, so why complain?

[@Crushanator1]

Core sets were always *good* but they were never *exciting* or *powerful* They're the on ramp for new players with straightforward mechanics, and foundations *is* a great love letter (or eulogy, depending if you're an optimist or pessimist regarding the Universe Beyond and wrong feeling soup sets that will be the only thing we get from now on)

[@brendans1983]

Foundations is legal for 5 years? Same as PK, he is 21 and has only been legal for 5 years.

[@zackpumpkinhead8882]

I mean, I don't care. It's not actually powerful enough to impact Standard. I'm more pressed to kill an Optimistic Scavenger on turn 1 than a Llanowar elves. I do wish it was a Core Set instead.

[@irou95]

Most of duskmourns cards are better than anything foundations has to offer. Apart from llanowar elves. But that can be banned if needed. But I don't see ANY reason for them to quit the 5 year legality early, when even standard sets rotate after 3 years nowadays. It's not even double that amount. It's 1,6 times the amount of legality compared to a standard set. Plus they didn't set a date when foundations will rotate but earliest would be 2029 which isn't that far into the future really. (bloomburrow rotates in 2027)

[@TobiasLeonHaecker]

Is this a Commander Video? But seriously, I didn't understand the hype either. It seemed for me like a good core set but the Fortnite style packaging doesn't appeal for me. I'm a magic boomer, and it doesn't feel like "old school" magic for me. This is the least excited for a set since some time. But that's okay. I'm also quite sceptical about the 5 years. If we are honest, magic players get bored with a set in no time. Look at the attendance at an LGS for a draft of a month old set. Yeah, I also complain about product fatigue and the constant hype train but players had a short attention span even before WotC started pushing products like that...

[@t.yop9]

I see 'collectors', people who don't even play tell me how great Foundations is and then pull out $40 worth of cards in a booster box they paid $150 for. The fake positivity is real. Foundations is a great core set, and you've been gaslit into thinking it's great because it's basically 2.5 core sets stuffed into one. By next year they'll just come out with so many more cards that Foundations will just feel like a regular core set.

[@lucarioknightb7685]

It's not always about value; it's a fun limited environment, it's healthy for standard, and it guarantees that a bunch of classic archtypes will exist in the format for a long time. They might not be valuable or broken, but it establishes a baseline that I REALLY hope we get to keep seeing

[@stonepatberg]

Hell yeah, I've never been this early

[@stormghost3712]

Magic's completely lost its identity. In the worst way possible. All in the name of greed. What a pity.

[@wizmo57]

same is true of the majority of our modern culture

[@IdlestHands]

What was its identity?

[@TheSushiandme]

I miss the lore 😢

[@AUNEDJ]

It does not make any sense to have a proper magic set valid for 5 years and then.....15 sets or 20 during that time that are unproper magic. It should have been some kind of UB foundation set. But they are no dumbs, they got this out to make happy the players waiting for proper magic content. Then.....welcome to UB magic forever. By the way, nobody talk about it, but what will they do when they dont have nice UB topics? Sesame street magic set? 😂

[@trev3971]

Count von Count is a vampire, why shouldn't he be in the vampire set?

[@captianbacon]

Tarkir is litterly gonna be the worst set in 2025. Its gonna be awful it was garbage last time itll be worse now.

[@jarnopiispanen3483]

These cards aren't going to be relevant in two years. Probably no one even remembers them then.

[@joeferreti9442]

Most of the obnoxious cards in the set will stay obnoxious.

[@jarnopiispanen3483]

​@@joeferreti9442In a year everything till foundations and it too will basically rotate, cause there's just so much stuff coming out.

[@joeferreti9442]

Foundations is really not great. And there are a lot of cards in the set that shouldn't be in Standard for even full 2 years. :/ . . Yes, I guess, nowadays we have to say that it is especially good that a MTG set actually is a MTG set and not a Commander set or a sh!tty Universes Beyond set. :/ :( :/