Plugin Perfection: My On1 Photo RAW + Luminar Neo Workflow

[@JimNix]

Hi all - lots of questions about how to set up Neo as a plugin in On1. I got the below instructions from On1 directly. If you still cannot get it to work, please contact their support team. Hope this helps and thanks for watching! If you have Photoshop installed, the easiest thing to do it is to set the “Secondary Plugin Folder” location in our preferences to Photoshop’s plugin folder, which is set by default when you press the Choose button. If you don’t have Photoshop installed you need to manually copy the photoshop plugin file from the Luminar application folder into our plugin folder, as their plugin installer does not recognize any third-party plugin hosts and lacks the ability to configure one. Here are the files and paths: Windows Copy "C:\Program Files\Skylum\Luminar Neo\LuminarNeo.8bf” to C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\ON1\ON1 Photo RAW 2022\PhotoshopPlugins\ macOS Make an alias to the Luminar Neo app bundle in the Applications folder, then move the alias to ~/Library/Application Support/ON1/ON1 Photo RAW 2022/PhotoshopPlugins

[@johns7988]

Hi Jim. Thanks for the updated instructions on getting this to work. I don't have Photoshop on my computer. I just tried copying that Luminar file to the On1 plugins folder and ... YES .. it worked perfectly! Thank you!

[@JimNix]

@@johns7988 awesome news!

[@SaddyTrue]

I got the plugin from On1 to Neo to work, now that is sweet.

[@JimNix]

@@SaddyTrue awesome news

[@TormodMalmgren]

This was a very great tips. I have Luminar Neo an try out On1 at the moment. This 2 in combo works perfect. I just conected to Photoshop plugin folder as you said in the description. Works perfect.I also looking forward to On1 2023.Thanks alot for you shearing this :-)

[@JimNix]

thanks much for watching!

[@brucewiebe6490]

Would like to see more videos about which features are better in each and how to use them together.

[@JimNix]

Ok thanks Bruce, will look into that!

[@vclparke]

+1 for that

[@BobShrader]

Me, too! I have an iMac and discovered ON1's ability to finally run Neo right after the release of 2022.5. When Photoshop plugins are run from ON1, you wind up with with an extra ONPHOTO file. These files can become quite large, depending on the number of new and stamped layers that are created. But the workflow is much more efficient.

[@JimNix]

thanks Bob and yes the workflow is excellent now!

[@fjperras]

Yes, that's it. You have just described my workflow (Windows users have been able to do plugins for a while). I totally agree that combining ON1 Photo RAW and Luminar Neo is an awesome combo for all your image post-processing. Only subtlety I do different is I duplicate the Neo layer instead of stamping it before my final edits but end result is the same. It is worth pointing that ON1 Photo RAW does not support what is known as "smart object" in other software. Which means one drawback: What Neo returns is baked in the ON1 layer (so you can't go back to Neo with edit details retained). I do the non plugins round-trip when that is important to me, which is not often. Good news is the "smart object" feature has been requested to ON1 and they marked as the request "under review". Finger's crossed that it makes it to an update or future release. Your video was music to my ears. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@JimNix]

Thanks Frederic and I did not know about On1 supporting smart objects, so yes that would be amazing. Not sure I would really use it, but still great to have just in case. Thanks for watching!

[@openskyphotography]

Thanks! Worked for On1 2023. Great video, didn't realize this was an option. Pretty sure this will be my new workflow. Although for my HDR shots, I'll use Aurora HDR to create a TIFF first (still ike it better than Neo's baked-in HDR feature).

[@JimNix]

thanks for watching Paul!

[@leandros.5441]

Very useful lesson, I set up Luminar AI as a plugin and it works great. Now it's my favorite software! Thank you Jim!!

[@JimNix]

thanks and have fun!

[@BeeMichael]

I have both, but have not been able to set up neo as a on1 plugin. What’s the procedure to accomplish this?

[@jimtucker8183]

I as well have not been able to get the plugin to work following the information that was provided. I use Windows 10 and do not have photoshop/lightroom installed. It seems like there are a number of subscribers that could use help on this. I downloaded a trial of On1 but if I can't get Neo to work as a plugin, I probably won't purchase ON1 which will be a disappointment as I loved your workflow. Thanks Jim!

[@JimNix]

Hi there and please check my pinned comment that I just added with instructions from On1. Thanks.

[@pedelkamp]

Jim I haven't watched your latest video's because of our visit to the son's new house in Tomball, TX. But we wanted to get in a visit to Austin and we just totally loved it !!! Wow and Thanks for all the Videos we learn from, Got some fantastic drone shots, used Aurora HDR and Neo and a little Topaz, Just have to say Thanks and thought about you the whole time and wanting to get back.

[@JimNix]

Thanks so much Paul, glad you enjoyed the visit here and got some good shots too! Have fun editing!

[@edwardkillesteyn1479]

Hi Jim. I wasn’t aware that Neo can be invoked as a plug in in On1. Thanks. It makes a world of difference to Neo, because you now get access to Luminosity masking, apart from the other powerful utilities in On1. Thanks again for the heads up. If only On1 would allow the TK 8 action panel as a plug in it would in my view be a game changer for On1 over LR etc.

[@JimNix]

thanks Edward and yes that's true using the TK panel would be a great add!

[@charlesmargrave6320]

Now my digital darkroom is almost complete. On1 for my DAM and raw develop as well as mask and sky work. Then Neo for its specialties (will need to evaluate). Now to really learn Affinity Photo for my triad workflow. Could you give an in-depth tutorial on creating a water mark via layers, brush creation or whatever way I missed?

[@JimNix]

Hi Charles and thanks. Affinity is a solid product, but I just never have time to play with it so sadly I don't know much about it. For watermarks in On1, you can do that upon export. I don't have a video about it but it's quick and easy. No need for layers or anything complicated. Thanks.

[@colin-4794]

An impressive demo Jim, I have yet to try that combination. I found this really useful, many thanks for that. All the best.

[@JimNix]

thanks so much Colin!

[@johnnewman9896]

Hi Jim, I'd seen this video before but didn't pay a lot of attention but now that On1 Photo Raw 2023 is on the way, I wanted to take another look particularly as there is now a choice of the new extensions for Luminar Neo and what looks like similar tools in On1. So I'm looking at cancelling my Lightroom Classic with Photoshop (which I don't use) subscription and buying (not subscribing) to On1 PhotoRaw. Question - do you think the Raw processing of On1 (maybe using Neo as a plugin) is as good as Lightroom which is the industry standard? Many thanks for all your great videos BTW.

[@vclparke]

Woohoo and it works with Windows as well as Mac. It was worth taking a punt on pre-ordering NEO even though I plan to keep using On1 as my core product, since it is more fully featured. A long wait since last September, but it has now all come together.

[@JimNix]

thanks Lindsay and yep I love using the 2 together although I feel either can do quite a lot on their own, comes down to preference and needs I guess but I am happy we can do this now

[@ednsb]

yay.. you are getting to where I've hoped for years....on1 for all the cataloging and basic development then plugins out to Neo and Topaz Studio for my artistic images. But what you did in Neo this time can for the most part be done within ON1 with the one exception being the extra masking beyond sky in Neo.

[@JimNix]

Hi Ed and yep lots of power and control in On1, and I think it pairs nicely with Luminar. Sure, I can do most of this in On1 but I feel like some of the tools in Neo, even though they "do the same thing" as similar-named tools in On1, sometimes have slightly different results. So depending on the tool, I may prefer to do it in Neo instead. Thanks.

[@BeeMichael]

Jim, nice tutorial. BUT, BASICS, HOW DO YOU SET UP NEO AS A PLUGIN FOR ON1? I’m working on a Mac with lots of RAM, but so far haven’t found a way to do this. First WHER IS LAYRES? I don’t see it in my ON1. Then where from there.

[@paulg3388]

Jim, you answered a question I have posted on a few KZbin Channels asking; Is it worth buying ON1 when I already have Luminar Neo, and you answered it PERFECTLY with this Video. I also prefer to open Neo through ON1 (I will hopefully follow your instructions below and get it to work), as I recently gave up on Lightroom Classic due to an issue that screwed up my entire Catalog, so I moved to CC and got it all working but of course lost the ability to open files through Plugins, which I should have checked before migrating I guess! who knew?! I still don't understand why you can't use the open through Plugin function with CC, and also why the Color Calibration option to use the Color Card I have, also is missing, so I have to do a whole long process using other software to get that to work .. ok ok .. enough moaning ! thanks ever so much for this Video .. I just purchased ON1, so will look at your other Videos for instructions so I can come up to speed quickly ! :)

[@JimNix]

Thanks for watching Paul and glad that this video answered some questions for you!

[@terrencemolvik9545]

Hi Jim. Love your videos, but as a Technically challenged senior, can you please give me instructions as to how to set up Luminar Neo as a plug in with ON 1. Your help would be really appreciated.

[@JimNix]

Hi there and please check my pinned comment that I just added with instructions from On1. Thanks.

[@emeregildo100]

Hi Jim, great video indeed! I had the same question about other app plug-is capabilities like DXO softwares for example. Thanks!!!

[@JimNix]

Thanks Matt and I haven't had time to try all the plugins but some Topaz, DXO, Nik Collection etc stuff like that should work.

[@dwightsphotosandart]

Hi Jim, great video. Is it possible to use On1 Photo Raw 2023 as a plugin for Luminar Neo? I do not see a way to facilitate a transfer with Neo as the origin.

[@JimNix]

Hi Dwight and no, at this time there is not a way to set this up. Hopefully in the future though!

[@dwightsphotosandart]

@@JimNix I think I found a workaround. If I am working out of Apple Photos and I select edit, I can send the edit out to Luminar Neo. When I save in Luminar Neo, the RAW file will still be intact in Apple photos with the Luminar edits. Then I can share it off to On1 Effects/Portrait etc. for additional work. Then when I save it in the On1 extension, then those changes will be back in photos with the RAW file in tact. Well, at least this is how it appears. Thanks for getting back to me.

[@JimNix]

@@dwightsphotosandart glad you found a solution, I don't really use Photos except for storing my iPhone shots, but this is a good idea

[@patricefranckx4387]

Hi Jim, thanks you so much for your inspiring videos ! Everything works fine except that I can not find the APPLY button in Luminar Neo and get back to ON1... Can you give me a hint ? Thanks a lot !

[@JimNix]

Hi Patrice and hmm, that is weird. It should be there if you are coming from On1 like I did in this video. I am not sure why it is missing. I think your best bet is to contact their support team. Sorry I am not sure how to help with that. Thanks.

[@patricefranckx4387]

Thanks Jim, so kind of you ! I let you know when I get it right !

[@acehanson7231]

Awesome combo with on1 and neo!!

[@JimNix]

They work so well together!

[@jamessulester]

great video, Jim. One quiestion. When I move to neo does it move it in raw or once I plugin am I dealing with a jpeg?

[@JimNix]

thanks James and I believe you set it in preferences but this is a TIFF, not a raw

[@buzzbladz7142]

This is Great News, Thanks for the video Jim.

[@JimNix]

Thanks much Buzz!

[@jamessulester]

My second comment thought your video was right on til I checked and several plugins were there but not skylum. If you explained how to setup skylum you should have mentioned. I searched for setting up skylum as plugin and only found Scott Davenport video which worked. Do you have one on setting up on1 preferences?

[@JimNix]

Hi James, please see this comment from David Tillett: You need to set up access in ON1 preferences see page 8 of ON1 user guide. If you have plugins installed in Photoshop then you can add link to the Photoshop plug-in folder else find the plugins in Luminar download and copy to ON1 plug in folder accessed via preferences. Should work for most plugins installed in Photoshop but one, Filter Forge, had to be copied to ON1 folder before it worked.

[@marleenvandam6931]

This was really a great instruction video Jim! Thanks for that.I was just wondering what other apps can be used as plug-in for ON 1 raw besides Luminar?

[@JimNix]

thank you Marleen and there are a lot of plugin options from On1...Topaz, DXO, Nik Collection...there are a lot of possibilities but not everything will work

[@datstheone1]

If you have Apple Silicon system and are running ON1 native then the way plugins are accessed actually allows use of non- native plugins such as Topaz Studio something that is not possible when running Photoshop native.

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

I just set mine up,that way. Thanks !

[@JimNix]

thanks for watching!

[@johnperrone209]

Jim, thanks for this video. I have been using Luminar Neo as a plug-in with On1 PR. I just purchased the Merge Extension for Neo. However when I go to Luminar Neo from On1 it is not there. If I start in Neo, the Merge extension is visible. Is there a solution?

[@JimNix]

Hi John and the HDR Merge extension only works in standalone mode right now. Lots of us have asked to make it available when coming from another host but it's not there yet. Hopefully in the new year we get that capability. thanks

[@johnperrone209]

@@JimNix Thanks Jim, appreciate the quick response!

[@JimNix]

@@johnperrone209 no worries and hopefully this changes soon

[@SergNikiforovGordeev]

Thank you, Master! Tell me, is there no way to go back to Luminar and fix something in this workflow? That is, the type of smart object?

[@JimNix]

No, sorry it is not like a Smart Object.

[@DaveReasonsSr]

How do you import filters into On1? I can not get to import any of the other software programs. What am I missing?

[@oresteluci]

No filters showing up for me either.

[@datstheone1]

You need to set up access in ON1 preferences see page 8 of ON1 user guide. If you have plugins installed in Photoshop then you can add link to the Photoshop plug-in folder else find the plugins in Luminar download and copy to ON1 plug in folder accessed via preferences. Should work for most plugins installed in Photoshop but one, Filter Forge, had to be copied to ON1 folder before it worked.

[@DaveReasonsSr]

@@datstheone1 thanks I’ll give it a try.

[@oresteluci]

@@datstheone1 Thank you. That worked.

[@JimNix]

@@datstheone1 thank you for sharing that here!

[@rogerjakko]

Incredibly interesting Jim. As regards RAW processing I thought that the best is DXO, followed by Capture One .... I was wondering how good a RAW processor On1 is in the scheme of things compared to the aforementioned ?? My thoughts being that if On1 stacks up favourably then I'd willingly bounce about in only On1 and Neo (as you have very ably demonstrated) and forget all other software.

[@JimNix]

Hi Roger and thanks. DXO is great for raw files for sure, but I do not have C1 so I am not sure about that one (although I hear good things). I do think On1 does a great job with my raw files but I haven't compared it to DXO specifically. I just like the integrated and easy workflow of On1 and how much is included in the app. Then as I showed here when you pair it with Luminar you can get a huge amount of power and control with just 2 apps. You could always download a trial of On1 to see how you like it. Thanks!

[@StunDamage]

If we are talking pure image quality of the RAW rendering (demosaicing, optical corrections), On1 is nowhere near as good as DxO or C1. Definitely comparable to the rest though (Lightroom, ACDsee, etc), which is to say it's fine if you aren't a pixel-peeper. Now, if you already own DxO, do keep your initial RAW conversion there as it will extract more detail from your files. On1 is more feature-rich, though, so it can be beneficial to bounce the files to it for additional development. The workflow goes like this: 1)You render the file in DxO 2)Extract it as a linear DNG with demosaicing and lens corrections already applied (it's basically a halfway developed RAW that still keeps it's dynamic range for further editing) 3) Open the DNG in On1 and use whatever features you like. Just don't do the precise colour work in DxO, as the DNG files are still RAW and can therefore be unstable in terms of colour rendering between programs. So leave this step for On1 if you plan to finish the image there. Applying stuff like DeepPRIME or ClearView to the DNG is safe, though, you can do that in step 1 if needed.

[@JimNix]

@@StunDamage thanks for sharing with the community here

[@rogerjakko]

@@StunDamage Thanks very much for your very in depth reply. Much appreciated.

[@ivanfojan8859]

I've decided your videos are dangerous Jim.......looks like I'm saving for another piece of photo software, haha :D

[@JimNix]

LOL sorry, just showing some fun stuff you can do

[@alfkatia]

I can't get the plugin thing to work either. Jim .. do you need to have Photoshop/Lightroom on the computer for this to work?

[@JimNix]

Hi there and please check my pinned comment that I just added with instructions from On1. Thanks.

[@DJGixxer]

Hi Jim, How is the performance from ON1 vs Neo? I use Neo on my 2018 Macbook pro with 16GB RAM, and its so damn slow to edit some photo's ... so frustrating.

[@JimNix]

Hi there, and both apps require some horsepower - as does nearly every app that I have. Both Neo and On1 work well for me most of the time, but once in a while they do run slow. I have 64GB RAM on my MBP. I just think all this AI takes a lot of power to run, and more apps are adding AI features.

[@Forde-Photos]

Thanks Jim,Another great video :)

[@JimNix]

Thanks Willie and hope you are well!

[@steverummel9882]

On1 does it have a clone stamp and doge and burn?

[@JimNix]

It has a clone and stamp tool but dodge and burn is done with local adjustments

[@manueljlopez]

Hi Jim, where could I download the Luminar neo plugin???? TIA

[@JimNix]

You need to set up access in ON1 preferences see page 8 of ON1 user guide. If you have plugins installed in Photoshop then you can add link to the Photoshop plug-in folder else find the plugins in Luminar download and copy to ON1 plug in folder accessed via preferences. Should work for most plugins installed in Photoshop but one, Filter Forge, had to be copied to ON1 folder before it worked. (comment per user David Tillett - you also need to own Luminar Neo first)

[@zouseo7]

I have ON 1 raw and Luminar Neo but when I follow your process to get plug in of Neo under Layers ON 1 shows no plug in when I click on filters! How do I add Neo as a plug in? Neo says it’s a plug in for Photoshop but nowhere do I see ON 1 raw plug in!

[@JimNix]

Here is a comment from David Tillett: You need to set up access in ON1 preferences see page 8 of ON1 user guide. If you have plugins installed in Photoshop then you can add link to the Photoshop plug-in folder else find the plugins in Luminar download and copy to ON1 plug in folder accessed via preferences. Should work for most plugins installed in Photoshop but one, Filter Forge, had to be copied to ON1 folder before it worked.

[@johns7988]

I can't get the plugin thing to work either. Jim .. do you need to have Photoshop/Lightroom on the computer for this to work?

[@zouseo7]

@@JimNix Thanks, I have them now

[@JimNix]

@@johns7988 sorry but I am not sure. Maybe check with their support?

[@edwardkillesteyn1479]

Dear Jim. Grateful if you could provide guidance about how to install Neo as a plugin for ON1. Skyrim no help. This is mothering reply to my request for help “Thank you for your reply. Please note that officially, On1 Photo Raw and Luminar Neo are not compatible. However you can try to use Neo as a plug-in to On1 Photo Raw.” Regards. Ed

[@stylllyfe]

Great work... outstanding.

[@JimNix]

thank you

[@alandimery3379]

Great video, thanks. I am still on the fence about buying ON1 Photo Raw. Do you know if Luminar AI can be a plug in for ON1 PR with windows 11? Thanks.

[@JimNix]

Hi Alan and I am pretty sure that will work, bc Luminar AI worked for me on a Mac as a plugin to On1, but I do not have a PC so I cannot confirm. You could download the trial and test it I guess. Thanks.

[@alandimery3379]

@@JimNix yes I will, thanks. I have an old version of Photoshop which will not read my new OM-1 files. I don't want to move towards subscription. Luminar AI and Neo causes my PC to crash, but I love it. (Neo trial). So I think ON1 is the answer with popping in & out of Luminar as you are. (Saving my image before I do so). I enjoy your videos. Do you have a recent video of the basics of ON1 please? I couldn't find one. Thanks.

[@JimNix]

@@alandimery3379 hi and no I don't have a video about the basics of On1. I have not done the same sort of beginner series with On1 that I did with Luminar. But my On1 playlist has a lot of options in it in case that helps. kzbin.info/aero/PLye10L-yi8hVmdtVwQb8-7OgQ_CWW9swZ

[@alandimery3379]

@@JimNix thank you.

[@JimNix]

@@alandimery3379 you bet, hope the videos help!

[@SaddyTrue]

I have an old copy of On1, I think I'll upgrade it. ;-)

[@JimNix]

It's well worth it in my opinion!

[@SaddyTrue]

@@JimNix just upgrade it and used your code

[@JimNix]

@@SaddyTrue oh thank you so much, that is very kind of you 🙏🏻

[@johns7988]

Jim, I tried Dave Tillets suggestions from the On1 User Guide, but couldn't get it to work. Do you have to have Photoshop/Lightroom on the computer for this to work?

[@JimNix]

Sorry John but I am not sure. It just was there for me already, I don't recall doing anything special in the past to set this up. Maybe check with their support team?

[@artvandelay2265]

@@JimNix I have the same problem. Using a MacStudio (M1 Pro) and have latest versions of ON12022 and Luminar Neo installed. When opening layers - filters in ON1 it only displays "Luminar Flex", which leads to nowhere as I uninstalled Flex a long time ago. When I go into preferences in ON1 looking up plug-ins, it shows, a.o., a folder Skylum with Adobe, which is empty. I have reached out to tech support of ON1. They are clueless. They even sent me a list with plug-ins where the latest version of Luminar is AI.

[@JimNix]

@@artvandelay2265 I am asking On1 to get their input as well and will share anything I learn

[@ps.photos]

Hi...do plugins only work with Mac? My( PC) On1 wont accept DxO raw2

[@JimNix]

Hi there and this is PC and Mac both. Not sure about why that one will not work though, sorry.

[@ps.photos]

@@JimNix thank you for coming back on this...i see it is raw2 that doesnt work with On1 I do have the Neo plugin installed now. Thanks!

[@kenhaley5450]

Thanks for another great video, Jim. Good to know that Neo works as a plug-in with On1. I’m still using Luminar AI - do you know if this also works as a round trip plug-in?

[@JimNix]

Thanks Ken and yes this previously worked with Luminar AI so it still should work.

[@alfkatia]

I have not Photoshop/Lightroom on the computer .

[@JimNix]

Hi there and please check my pinned comment that I just added with instructions from On1. Thanks.

[@sebastienmorere6925]

Hi , in the last update, On1 accepts R7 and R10 Canon

[@JimNix]

good to know

[@alejandromedina2349]

Hi, is On1 software works with Neo also in Windows?

[@JimNix]

I actually have no idea since I only have a Mac and can not try this, but I assume it works.

[@craigozancin]

Great video!

[@JimNix]

thank you Craig

[@sureshhs2775]

Super🙏🙏👍👍 sir

[@JimNix]

thanks so much Suresh

[@KLLDZR-se1qk]

I’m currently trying On1 too, cause neo is so slow, it’s almost unusable. Even at 1.1.0. the 1.1.1 version creates infinite duplicates of all photos, so i can’t update. But i dislike the overwhelming tiny, oldschool style of on1 so much. Neo looks so much better. On1 Fonts are soo small, even on my 27“ iMac with 5k Display. Neo denoise and sharpening, and also upscaleing sucks. So currently I’m using topaz for that. But the tifs are soo huge. On1 Features for that kind of work would be much better then Neo. And then theres DxO… puh… hard world in choosing the right software and workflow :(

[@JimNix]

We are fortunate to have so many choices for sure, but it's still hard to find the optimal apps and workflow depending on what you want/need to do to an image. It's a challenge for sure.

[@rodneylangston4181]

This video kills me. It proves that Luminar NEO can be installed as a filter/plugin if using a late model Mac, but it does not explain how to make the installation. I am running macOS 12.4 on a Mac Studio w/M-1 max and 64 GB ram. I would also like to set up Aurora HDR in the same way if that is possible. I would love to see a video on how to set this up.

[@JimNix]

Hi there and please check my pinned comment that I just added with instructions from On1. Thanks.

[@rodneylangston4181]

@@JimNix Thanks

[@joegrossinger3381]

Excellent video except you forgot to mention Neo is so slow it's really useless.

[@JimNix]

Thanks and sorry to hear this is your experience with Neo. It has worked well for me.