Plunge Saw Showdown! Top 10 Best Saws Review

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So this is it, our best plunge cut track saw comparison test of the big players. Robin & Roger take the top plunge cut saws from Bosch, Dewalt, Erbauer, Festool, Mafell, Makita and Triton to see which one has the power and features of a champion.
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@metal-adventures-joerg
@metal-adventures-joerg 3 жыл бұрын
The Bosch Saw is based on the Mafell,having the same Motor,but a few parts made of plastic instead of metal like at the Mafell.Greetings from Oberndorf (Home of Mafell)/Germany!!!
@JamieVauxnut1
@JamieVauxnut1 2 жыл бұрын
Love these showdowns, actually back watching this again 3 years later 😂 Would really like to see a portable table saw and vacuum/ dust exstraction showdown
@thomasmorley4966
@thomasmorley4966 5 жыл бұрын
Been running a Mafell MT55 for 6 years now. Solid piece of kit
@harrydurham1
@harrydurham1 4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Just starting following your channel. I’m relatively new to carpentry, just finished my three year apprenticeship and your videos are really helpful. Only thing I would say is for beginners like myself some of the videos can be explained really quickly and get confusing (not this video) but other then that I love the channel and the videos 👍🏻
@goodall1bay
@goodall1bay 5 жыл бұрын
one thing forgetting to mention. the Mafell dust extraction and build quality is absolutely impeccable and cannot be compared to ,, well any of the others including Festool on build.
@bartfoster1311
@bartfoster1311 4 жыл бұрын
I have the cordless Makita, really enjoy it. I never had a track saw before this and it has turned out to be extremely useful.
@DrunkenKnight71
@DrunkenKnight71 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable reviews which helped me a great deal to decide so thank you both; finally plumped for the Bosch which will arrive tomorrow
@MrTooljunkie
@MrTooljunkie 5 жыл бұрын
The Festool TSC55 is an awesome machine - super powerful for a cordless tool and it has the antisplinter on the offcut side, which is nice. Mafell is a dream machine too for sheet goods. Ilike having a riving knife for solid timber, though. I am with Robin on the two choices. Great series and review!
@scottjohnson3226
@scottjohnson3226 5 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this series of informative videos! and greatly appreciate your effort in putting them together. I purchased for myself the Mafell MT55cc, here, in the United States, from Timberwolf Tools. I could not be any happier with my purchase. I am glad I invested the extra money on the Mafell plunge saw. The fit, finish, and overall quality of their product is impressive. Money well spent!
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 5 жыл бұрын
Thank Scott I am glad you can get it over there. Some Americans are saying they can;t find it.
@chrisanderson8578
@chrisanderson8578 5 жыл бұрын
I have real need to buy a plunge saw but I watched this video (and many of your others) and enjoyed it. Top video guys.
@Kosmonooit
@Kosmonooit 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, very informative. I recently got the corded Makita (made in England!)- very happy with it for my uses which is nice cuts on occasional tops/shelves etc and not used everyday. There is always a power point around so not bothered with cordless although I have many Makita 18V tools
@EdwardT9
@EdwardT9 2 жыл бұрын
Made in England? 2 years on, but my new sp6000 is made in China.
@gibsonmac1981
@gibsonmac1981 4 жыл бұрын
I got the mt55cc after seeing all your input on it, and all the people raving about it on FOG, ive never looked back. The mafell is absolutely incredible.
@Johnbro8
@Johnbro8 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger and Robin for sharing your skills & advice👍
@stephenwhite3343
@stephenwhite3343 5 жыл бұрын
I recently bought my first track saw and decided on the Mafell. It is definitely, transferable between the 2 different tracks. I just leave out the black blanking plate. I use the Festool track on my home made mft
@nicoteen9407
@nicoteen9407 10 ай бұрын
Superb reviews for a first-timer looking at a plunge saw! Thank you. I plumped for The Erbauer, currently on Screwfix for £180 but no bag or case. I've spoken to a neighbour who has one too, and says its a fine machine for the price but finds the anti-kickback a pain. Also HOLZMANN TAS165 PRO. Manufactured in Austria, according to Kendal Tools website. Looks identical to the Erbauer. Noto sure about anti-kickback knob I can see on the MachineMart pics - will double-check today. Comes with a single 1.5m guide rail. Packaged in a nifty flight case-type box. £65 over the price of the Erbauer. Tempting...
@emericpopovici3405
@emericpopovici3405 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Bosch plunge saw and I’m very happy with !!! Handles really nice !!! Easy to use !!! By the way nice video!!! Good luck !!!
@peterbrett2065
@peterbrett2065 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Roger and Robin this was a great set of reviews and I agree with you that it comes down to personal taste and battery platforms. I have a corded Bosch and cordless Festool that I use for different things. I love the power of the Bosch and I have cut 50mm thick oak and beech with it. The Festool is great for indoors and for kitchen fitting. Unfortunately, to get speedy cuts you have to invest in several blades. Sometimes to get a finishing cut you have to cut to a rough line then skim a blade thickness off for a fine finish - all of which is time spent. The Dewalt looks great - but did you use the any direction rail? I saw it at a tool show in Bolton last year. What's next?
@johnhewetson4406
@johnhewetson4406 3 жыл бұрын
I have used the Bosch, Dewalt and Festool. Value for performance was definitely the DeWalt. All models I used were corded. I don't see the value in a battery powered except for very application specific tasks which I don't do.
@ejicon3099
@ejicon3099 4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video gentlemen. Thank you.
@michaelt2987
@michaelt2987 5 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable and informative, thanks for all your hard work guys. Shame Milwaukee don’t do a track saw over here, I would have been interested to see how they compare. End of the day I would agree with Robins choice. Too late in life for me now having just retired from a few different careers in life but I always had a yearning to be a real quality master carpenter like Robin, must be very rewarding.
@95Gabe
@95Gabe 3 жыл бұрын
Proper reviews made by people who walk the walk. So much better than the fake reviewers who just read the manufacturers specs and instruction sheets. Great job guys,.
@benedicttaylor3034
@benedicttaylor3034 3 жыл бұрын
The makita cordless is an absolute beast it cuts through 12 and 25mm corian like its nothing on an old blade last all day cutting. When I first watched this video I was abit unsure about the power but it blew my mind
@kevinchamberlain7928
@kevinchamberlain7928 4 жыл бұрын
We shuttering boys use old school circliar saws with a ply straightedge screwed into the work piece. RAF but you've been there yourself, admit it! And yes, I did write circliar! 😜
@dennysmith2291
@dennysmith2291 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video like the look of the DeWalt.
@stevemcmillion5201
@stevemcmillion5201 4 жыл бұрын
Looking to buy Dewalt Track Saw the help was great ... Guys thanks
@alanwilson8014
@alanwilson8014 3 жыл бұрын
Got the festool corded for volume of work, and have the makita cordless as i have the makita system, what a beautiful cut with the fine kerf blade on the makita cordless great for cutting kitchen decor panels
@garywood6259
@garywood6259 5 жыл бұрын
From owning a lot of tools over the years, anything for cutting wood I buy only mafell, for sanding I buy mirka or some Festool, drilling/cordless I buy metabo mostly (interchanges with mafell cordless) extraction I buy star mix (no not the sweets) I used to have a lot more earlier Festool but they are nowhere near the quality they used to be, still use their dominos though
@harrygirgin9093
@harrygirgin9093 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the delightful series.
@johnconstantine3056
@johnconstantine3056 5 жыл бұрын
I dont do a lot so I have an Erbauer and I have removed the kick back which I found to be a pain. Its a great machine for cross cutting plywood splinter free with the one touch lever which allows cutting at veneer scoring depth or full set depth without any adjustment.
@richardballinger517
@richardballinger517 3 жыл бұрын
Got the Maffel corded. I'm not trade but make a lot myself, kitchen cabinets from ply and oak at the moment and internal doors. I know I'm going to get a good clean cut with it everytime I take it out the box. Love it. Was going to buy the Bosch as I'm a bit of a Bosch fan boy but have strayed to the likes of Fein and Maffel lately and although I get on fine with my Bosch biscuit joiner I would love a Lamelo. Love your video's.
@puiu26
@puiu26 5 жыл бұрын
i fit kitchens since 10 years ago and cut worktop with circular saw and str8 edge with the worktop upside down.for the last 2 years i used the makita cordless circular. never have i thought i need a plunge\track saw
@Aladinscave
@Aladinscave 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Festool 240v for 6 years now no drama at all, bought the 36v Mikita 4 weeks ago to go cordless on site and very happy with it. The Festool going in the workshop. Tip for you guys use the 1.5mm thick blade on the Festool and you will not need a more powerful motor the Festool blades are beefy
@eegaugh
@eegaugh 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this useful review. I would have liked more comment about the dust extraction but no doubt this is covered in the individual reviews. I agree that the TS55 can seem underpowered. Cordless: any sign of the industry producing a standard power tool battery? I think that they would sell more tools if they did.
@kir2317
@kir2317 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the video! But all the same, makita sp6000 or dewalt 320k do you what to choose?
@22illingworth
@22illingworth 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Gentlemen. As a Newbie to this, expensive, hobby I have chosen I picked DeWalt for my Table Saw, Router and drills... they are the 18V XR range which seem just perfect for my use. I first used the Router last week and I did notice the 5A 18 V battery went flat quite quickly, so is the 54V backwards compatible with the 18 volt line?
@johnsmith-wc8gs
@johnsmith-wc8gs 4 жыл бұрын
The Mafell is the best. With that said I've been running the Ts75 for over a decade and it works great! I've had zero problems pushing through 12/4 hardwood
@darrenroche9225
@darrenroche9225 5 жыл бұрын
Great video lads
@Golgafrinchamdent
@Golgafrinchamdent 5 жыл бұрын
I have two Mafell saws. The MT55... and their KSS-300 with the roll up track. Great machines, and I'll never be without either one. Well done Mafell. But it's like I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode because... nobody says a word about _every single one of these saws_ being LEFT-HANDED. Designed for left handed use... every one! Even while _hurdle-jumping_ saw horses or _knee-climbing_ up onto the workpiece, or walking _cross-armed_ the entire length of a rip... NOBODY steps back and says _"Hey, wouldn't it be nice if they made a right-handed version???"_
@boris1cat
@boris1cat 5 жыл бұрын
Why do they make them Left Handed ??????? it's MAD
@Golgafrinchamdent
@Golgafrinchamdent 5 жыл бұрын
@@boris1cat Excellent question. I have no idea but it would be nice if they didn't.
@boogiedahomey
@boogiedahomey 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same two Mafell saws and they are just superb. I use the KSS300 95% of the time over the 55. Just so much lighter and more portable. Getting the cordless 300 next. Plus, I'm left-handed!
@jamiedominy2686
@jamiedominy2686 5 жыл бұрын
10:55 haha, Rogers face. Love it. A picture can paint a thousand words.
@usynnstradler
@usynnstradler 4 жыл бұрын
what face
@okafka5446
@okafka5446 5 жыл бұрын
Mafell all the way. Give it some Roger! @17.46
@needaman66
@needaman66 5 жыл бұрын
you use the track alignment to plunge with the dewalt. go a corded on and had it for years it also has anti kickback. i always use one handed and never had a problem in the several years ive had it
@rushtwentyone-twelve2250
@rushtwentyone-twelve2250 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 230 volt corded Dewalt I bought several years ago, its powerful and gives a lovely clean cut, I mostly use it for cutting along the grain and cross grain on wood, never on man made boards, MDF or particle type boards such as work tops. I think I would get a cheap one for cutting those.
@raunefare
@raunefare 4 жыл бұрын
Why? You don't ruin the saw by cutting "man made wood" just chance the blade when it's dull
@harrybeasley6608
@harrybeasley6608 4 жыл бұрын
Really good video and very informative. Subscribed !!
@luislucero8263
@luislucero8263 5 жыл бұрын
I had the festool but I replaced with the mafell and I love it!
@MariaSanchez-uo8qy
@MariaSanchez-uo8qy 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video clip! Apologies for chiming in, I would appreciate your opinion. Have you ever tried - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (should be on google have a look)? It is a great one of a kind product for taking a drawing and turning it into wood without the normal expense. Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my close friend Aubrey got astronomical success with it.
@shanemcdonald3191
@shanemcdonald3191 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Mafell is a great saw. Nothing better on fit and finish
@MrDianovici
@MrDianovici 5 жыл бұрын
We are using 3 Bosch plunge saws and 1 Mafell, they are serious saws, people don't really look after them and after 4 years of abuse they are going very strong. Easy to recommend them, they use same track system.
@harrygirgin9093
@harrygirgin9093 5 жыл бұрын
I would go for the bosch as it has similar features and great joining tracks as the mafell but at a more affordable price.
@BischBaschBosch
@BischBaschBosch 5 жыл бұрын
The Bosch is a great plunge saw. It's the one I used before trading it in for the Mafell. It never let me down, gave good results working all day long and, like you said, the tracks are great. Still use my Bosch rails with the Mafell saw in fact. Shame Skillbuilder got a duff/bent one. Gonna put people off a really decent saw I imagine. Only went for Mafell as I change blades so often, the Mafell makes it easy - and you can zero in the different blades too.
@rob5896
@rob5896 4 жыл бұрын
I think I was probably one of the first tradesmen in the UK to own and use a track saw everyone would always ask me "what the heck is that thing" and I bought and still use the Festool TS55, all of the other companies ripped Festool off in my opinion, I still use a TS55 the current one I've had about 8-9 years and my god it's certainly earned its keep! I would say it was primarily designed by Festool for repeat ripping of sheet material and it does that very very well but also I use mine for occasional sink cut outs and hob cut outs and its excellent for that too but like any tool you need a decent quality sharp blade and it will happily cut through thicker material like kitchen worktops with ease and provide a razor sharp cut! Hardwoods like Oak not so much in my experience but I rarely cut through Oak unless I'm using the tool to trim off internal doors and in this case I use a good blade and do two passes, it really doesn't make that much difference in time, I've generally found that when you get machines that are bigger more powerful for regularly doing long rips of thicker harder material they tend to get more bulky and heavy, I like the 55 because it's so lightweight and that is often overlooked... and full time pro's will especially appreciate that point but I think if I were regularly doing "repeated long rips" of something like 3/4 WBP or inch WBP I would buy the Festool TS75 it's a beast and it will always be your reliable partner! I don't rate all Festool stuff but these two saws the 55 and the 75 are all you would ever need IMHO and they will last for years and years, I'm not sure about cordless it sounds convenient but you've still got an extraction hose so I'm not entirely seeing the benefit unless you have no power on site? Plus a cordless tool would be much heavier due to the batteries especially with some having two! I don't use a cordless track saw myself maybe I will in future and I guess the extraction must work via Bluetooth something like that? So would need a Bluetooth type extractor... I personally wouldn't recommend using a track saw without extraction except for maybe a short rip just to trim something as the track will clog up quite quickly and potentially snag the saw, I would certainly consider the Mafell as I always check out the competition when selecting tools but not much can beat the proven track record that I already have had with Festool spanning many many years, I do use other brands of course but only because they never let me down and they live up to my high expectations.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Rob What a great review. We would have loved to get you on video. Your comments are priceless.
@rob5896
@rob5896 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder You're very welcome, I tried to provide some honest feedback on my own experience with a track saw in the hope that someone might find it helpful, I've used track saws in various industries from construction to boat building, kitchen fitting, shop fitting, flooring... suffice to say I've put them through their paces and I've been doing this kind of work for about 35 years and using track saws ever since the Festool TS55 first hit the shops I thought that your shall we say "presentation" of the various tools was spot on, we all know that there are good tools and not so good tools but rarely do I find is there one tool thats king of everything that one would encounter, that said we do need to choose something that is as close as possible to meet our needs and in this case for me the Festool gets the job done and it keeps on going, I do have a soft spot for Makita tools and Dewalt and that Mafell looks good too, it's a tough choice!
@craigmcewan2762
@craigmcewan2762 4 жыл бұрын
I got the dewalt with 3 meter track from my tool shed £699 inc vat cheapest I could find, great saw, only thing I can say is make sure the material you are cutting is well supported as it tends to spring back into place once you finish your cut, still think I bought the best one, Robins eyes looking at it 👀 the whole time lol
@boris1cat
@boris1cat 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a track saw and have watched this series with great interest. If there is one area that i think it lacked it is the accuracy of angled cuts produced, how good are they at 90 and 45 ( and any other presets ) degrees on the factory preset stops. It would have been helpful to see thick timber cut and measured with something like a digital protractor. I work as a precision engineer and woodwork is more of a hobby but I would rather pay for a better tool and know that it will always make me smile using it.
@marie-ramaghurburrun9204
@marie-ramaghurburrun9204 5 жыл бұрын
If you crave absolute accuracy then the Mafell is your choice. It will make you smile continually.
@Catalysis1144
@Catalysis1144 4 жыл бұрын
Great series I have watched all the videos. Am home DIY and mostly interested in the best one for dust collection by looking at those cutting shots I have noticed that Mafell & Bosch are the best with minimal dust escape. Can someone please comment on this based on experience?
@chillpill7446
@chillpill7446 5 жыл бұрын
Evolution have brung out a track saw now for only £90 in screwfix and its 1600 watt. Loads of power .i bought one for chipboard flooring and plywood and it works on my old makita tracks a treat .splinter free cut only on one side tho .game changer
@scottspooner6070
@scottspooner6070 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks guys...
@djvasforever
@djvasforever 4 жыл бұрын
Used to use corded Festool for a few months about 7 years ago and then again 3 or 4 years back, must say got used to it and never had an issue with that, but then after not having used a track saw for some years, took a Makita for a couple of days and I didn't like it - it just felt rubbish, didn't sit nice in the hands, prone to kickback, plunge depth was not as easy to use as Festool. I wouldn't buy a Makita even though I have a lot of their tools and a few batteries as well. I would probably go for a corded Festool anyway. Regadring battery powered, I honestly think batteries are not quite there yet, you either have to have a whole lot of them for saws are vacuum cleaners or drill hammers or whatever which weighs a lot and you have to carry it around everywhere or have fewer batteries but a couple of chargers, but that means you have to have an outlet somewhere, therefore, you could've just gone for a corded tool - it's cheaper and in many ways more practical.
@designxyz5007
@designxyz5007 5 жыл бұрын
great use of PPE there guys!
@marksmith2412
@marksmith2412 3 жыл бұрын
Great series. I was looking at getting a Festool myself but you've convinced me to have a look at the Mafell before I commit. Thanks!
@marksmith5237
@marksmith5237 3 жыл бұрын
Make you right Mark. feel like I know you somehow.
@benrichards1
@benrichards1 3 жыл бұрын
Went with the makita corded. Purely on the the fact it was the cheapest of the big brands. Decent machine.
@cipur11
@cipur11 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, lovely chat 👍👍👍
@markcroft3619
@markcroft3619 5 жыл бұрын
it would be great if you could do a similar review on Table Saws. love your approach and delivery keep up the good work. I'd go for the Dewalt if am honest.
@markcroft3619
@markcroft3619 5 жыл бұрын
@@SammyInnit thanks for the heads up i will check out some reviews on it.
@timmargereson332
@timmargereson332 5 жыл бұрын
I bought the makita MLT100 with the mobile stand and would advise anyone against buying one. Used it once & took it straight back to the merchants but they wouldn't take it back. It's far too heavy, the body is plastic, the fence is awful and the gap around the blade is HUGE !!! Wish I'd have bought a cheap one as a site saw as I'll never use this again and will probably end up giving it away.
@patricelebrasseur5649
@patricelebrasseur5649 5 жыл бұрын
@@markcroft3619 i have the bosch 4100-09 in canada they are great the best stand on the market imo, if you prefer a rack and pinion rack the top of the line dewalt is great, better than those is a cabinet saw . metabo have 3 phase portable sa that look great but we dont have them on our side of the ocean
@lawrenceli3659
@lawrenceli3659 5 жыл бұрын
I have a 54v dewalt and I don’t recommend it. The nobs hard to turn and will not fit on makita track, I had to cut 3mm of the plate to fit.
@rushtwentyone-twelve2250
@rushtwentyone-twelve2250 5 жыл бұрын
I have the DWE7491 with rolling stand, bought 5 years ago, I waited ages for it to become available in the UK but it was well worth it.
@hartsymk1
@hartsymk1 5 жыл бұрын
The dewalt does have little indends on the side of the saw to tell you where the blade will finish at full depth, its not brilliant but it is there.
@jpk2742
@jpk2742 3 жыл бұрын
Had the corded festool for 9 years never missed a beat and it’s used most days all day. I want a cordless now but not to sure on the festool cordless.
@ForeverNeverwhere1
@ForeverNeverwhere1 5 жыл бұрын
I use a 25 year old Elu track saw, for 10 years now I have been saying I will replace it with a better one, but it needs to die first. Sadly it is an Elu, it will never die.
@tapsulinka
@tapsulinka 5 жыл бұрын
I had Elu tools and never ever had not even one problem but was stolen. Then Black&Decker bought Elu and DeWalt. Elu disapeared from market and DeWalt is far away behind Elu quality
@kevinchamberlain7928
@kevinchamberlain7928 4 жыл бұрын
I got a and old Elu planer 25 plus years old and going strong!!!
@Sly_Wolf_1
@Sly_Wolf_1 4 жыл бұрын
I hear what your saying, love Elu, I'm still using a 20+ year old Elu router, just as good as the first day when I bought it, not a single repair or new part except bases. Shane dewalt bought them out.
@andrewmason4004
@andrewmason4004 3 жыл бұрын
tapsulinka Black & Decker bought DeWalt in 1960 - are you really remembering DeWalt from pre B&D ownership days? They bought Elu in 1984, so it’s far more plausible you remember Elu from before that. At the end DeWalt and Elu were are tools, different branding. It was cheaper to promote just one brand, not two and that was why Elu all but disappeared (I think it was kept on a few tools).
@danielmiller2977
@danielmiller2977 5 жыл бұрын
Great review!
@martinkinzett673
@martinkinzett673 3 жыл бұрын
I have the cordless makita, I only have 5ah batteries. The tool has plenty of power with these batteries. Recently made 7 x 620mm long cuts through 38mm beech worktops in one pass with no troubles and still has power left.
@tomsmolik4511
@tomsmolik4511 4 жыл бұрын
So we have winner power of dewalt, in festool housing on mafell track ( particular flex one) on enbauer price
@esbo666
@esbo666 5 жыл бұрын
I think the Festool power is well thought out as it fits perfectly on a 10 amp fuse together with Festool MIDI and MINI...
@JACKATTACKED
@JACKATTACKED 5 жыл бұрын
18v Planers sometime soon? Dip down into 10-12v (whichever way they market them) tools? 😀👍 Happy New Year.
@robinstokes5179
@robinstokes5179 4 жыл бұрын
Cripes, I've made my own ferrules like corefixes, a right fiddle. Corefix has got to be way. I had an early small cordless which was hopeless! Battery tech has come a long way. The thing with "circular" saws of all sorts is why are they all made with the blade on the right? If cutting down the edge of a long board with the saw plate & weight on the board, a right hander has to work holding the saw across his / her body. If cutting the opposite direction which would be more comfortable, most of the saw plate & weight is overhung & harder to control.
@pipperfect
@pipperfect 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to say Mafell, but mine died after just over 3 years of light weekend use. Because it failed a few weeks outside warranty the cost of repair meant I was better off buying another saw, which for something that was supposed to be such good quality felt like a real let down. I now have the Bosch saw, as it runs on the same tracks & my faith in Mafell is very much dented. Maybe I was unlucky, but I would think twice before buying Mafell.
@neptunepropertyservice6315
@neptunepropertyservice6315 4 жыл бұрын
Literally just read a review on amazon about a bosch planer at the same time you mentioned the plate on the bosch you're reviewing not being flat. Seems to be a problem which for certain bosch tools will be a problem, glad I watched this.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Owners of the Bosch tool tell us it will straighten if you undo the screws and let it relax.
@howardbecdove9780
@howardbecdove9780 5 жыл бұрын
Very entertaining. I can’t give anyone a greater compliment than that. Well done fellas.
@xxnickthegreekxx
@xxnickthegreekxx 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Bosch love the power 42mm solid oak cuts one pass no messing Mafell tracks easy to use I was going to upgrade to the real mafell due to having the twisted base but as many people realised now need to lay on flat surface undo knobs and do back up same time marker will not be on 0! But check with a square and it will be 90 .few videos on here to verify
@benchippy8039
@benchippy8039 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if you watch AVEs tool takedowns but he seems to seriously rate makitas build quality. I’ve got to say that I’ve been buying mostly makita for years and they only die thru operator error, often a labourer or apprentice that don’t care too much. Although makita seem to be behind the others on battery technology at the moment I still keep buying their tools as they just go on and on for years! I’m pretty sure if you had the 6ah batteries in that makita it would be twice as powerful and run longer. Great video guys and well done for the rapid rise in subs, you deserve it as one of the only uk building channels putting out regular and serious content
@Nanogenium
@Nanogenium 5 жыл бұрын
Ben Chippy I‘ve used Makita a lot and i don’t like it anymore. The quality isn’t quite the best and their service is shit. I switched to Bosch because of their service an reliability. The tools might be not as powerfull, but they do their work very good and in my case never break down. With the batteries i am not sure if you ever tested a tool with 18650 or 21700 cells. The difference is enormous! The newer and by far better cells deliver so much more power that you think you just bought a new tool. Thats why Makita will loose there for the time they use the old cells. In my opinion.
@matbell1514
@matbell1514 Жыл бұрын
Great review….thanks
@markjarman7819
@markjarman7819 3 жыл бұрын
Had my dewalt since they first came out. Great tool and every time I use it pure pleasure. Don’t want cords on a plunge saw.
@FocusWLN
@FocusWLN 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, any thoughts on the DeWalt for second fix? Got a birch ply wardrobe to build soon and wondering if it would be a good option
@PaulC1980
@PaulC1980 4 жыл бұрын
I like the dewalt...big price for battery versions though. Probably go with corded, Bosch looks great too, makita solid!
@ashleyjohns1235
@ashleyjohns1235 5 жыл бұрын
I'm with festool... good to see you using a festool extractor 👍👍
@CLCLTD
@CLCLTD 4 жыл бұрын
I have the makita corded, love it . Any suggestions on what blade to use on solid oak worktop, struggled through some 20mm stuff there today
@xxnickthegreekxx
@xxnickthegreekxx 4 жыл бұрын
jonathan Delaney keyblades&fixings look them up
@installer1571
@installer1571 5 жыл бұрын
A couple of small comments on the DeWalt the battery on the DeWalt is so big it actually interferes with your hand and the other thing and I don't know if it will ever become a problem with the plunge mechanism I always get very nervous when you've got extra linkages so as the machine gets a bit older I worried those connection points may affect the accuracy of the operation of the saw I have a similar thought when it comes to the Bosch drop saw other than that I believe it's a very good saw
@superspeeder
@superspeeder 5 жыл бұрын
Based on my experience with my Makita stuff, you might have gotten a little better power from the newer larger batteries. I say "might" because I don't own the track saw, but I have noticed this on my 5" angle grinder and my rear handle x2 saw. I think the 2500mAh cells in the 5Ah batteries are superior to the 1500mAh cells in the 3Ah batteries.
@nic_the_aged_woodworker
@nic_the_aged_woodworker 5 жыл бұрын
I love my DeWalt corded tracksaw. One point you missed is that the DeWalt track is double edged.
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын
Nic Murray why is that a good thing? Can't u just rotate the festool track around?
@nic_the_aged_woodworker
@nic_the_aged_woodworker 4 жыл бұрын
Sure you can but for less cost you get twice the life of the cutting edge. Also no need to juggle which way round you want the track, out of the bag, drop on your line and cut. Festool are great pieces of kit just way too expensive.
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын
Nic Murray I guess if you have a 3 meter track it could be a hassle to rotate the whole track?
@nic_the_aged_woodworker
@nic_the_aged_woodworker 4 жыл бұрын
@@MsElijah16 I have 2 1.4m pieces, joining them is simple, a bar where Allen screws. Hadn't really thought of that advantage, I just found that I drop the rail onto the job and cut I don't have to worry about orientation of the rail. Minor issue
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын
Nic Murray fair enough
@tripleup2012
@tripleup2012 5 жыл бұрын
Интересный обзор, спасибо ребята.
@igorkovalivskyi2834
@igorkovalivskyi2834 3 жыл бұрын
Good job one of the best tools chanal
@Kosmonooit
@Kosmonooit 5 жыл бұрын
Regarding the batteries & power as discussed in the video: having given the matter some consideration what I can say is that 'larger' batteries offer greater Amp Hours: there are more cells in parallel, so for a given Voltage its capacity to deliver more current is increased. 3Ah means the battery can deliver 3 Amps for an hour then the battery is flat. Or 6 Amps for 30 mins, or 12 amps for 15 mins. The 6 Ah battery doubles the maximum current and if the motor can make use of this increased current it will mean more power delivered. That being said, it hard to find motor power ratings on battery power tools, so if its a small power tool with say a 100w motor ( which draws 5.4 amps at 18.5V Nom.) larger batteries will just mean longer run time once its running at peak power. Power for DC is simple Volts x Current The Lithium Ion cells are limited to how much current they can safely deliver and this is controlled by the inbuilt Battery Management System, if they don't have that it get unsafe in terms of this technology: causing explosions / fire / mayhem. Typically each cell is 3200mAh or 3.2Ah, each cell is 3.75v Nominal so there are 5 in series to get 18V. Exactly how much maximum current each cell can deliver depends on the cell specs and the BMS, but generally and conservatively its limited to 2C (so each 3200mAh will be limited to 6.4A) but its probably higher with power tools and certainly with vaping. It would be simple to do a test, one would just need some sort of adapter / leads / clips to connect the battery outside the tool and then measure the current delivered. With larger batteries larger current will mean more power to the spindle, to the max power rating of the motor and control electronics. I'd volunteer to do this test with my Makita tools, but I only have old crappy 3 Ah batteries so if some lovely new 4 and 6 Ah drop out of the sky I will be happy to give it a whirl.
@tyrantworm7392
@tyrantworm7392 Жыл бұрын
Old post I know, but check out Torque Test Channel as they have done a fair amount of testing with different batteries on impact wrenches.
@dinohadziahmetovic918
@dinohadziahmetovic918 3 жыл бұрын
One question, can I use Makita or Festool guide track use for Titron plunge saw?
@christophergraham1857
@christophergraham1857 4 жыл бұрын
Festool made the track saw 30 year's before any of the others
@reaper060670
@reaper060670 Жыл бұрын
Alri Roge pal.. Would u do a complete comprehensive review on all these MacAllister tools please.. I was doing a decking job recently so just to have a circular saw to cut boards and wood quickly and with no fuss I bought the 210 MAC Compound Circular saw which was dirt cheap. IMHO it's dirt cheap for a reason but I was hoping u would look at the complete range of their power tools. I bought their Jigsaw for 32 euros and I also gave their Router a whirl at 66 euros. The compound Circular Saw cost 67 euros. It's defo the bargain basement type of power tool system but now I see they're selling a track saw for 135 euros..? Is there any chance u would do a run through of the power tools MacAllister offer and let us know which are great value for money....... If any that is pal.. Always enjoy ur videos Roge mate so keep em coming .. Salute to uSir from IRELAND..
@jayvadgama5663
@jayvadgama5663 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review, much appreciated. May I ask the reason for the variable speed settings. When would one use the low speed and when is the high speed used?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 3 жыл бұрын
If the wood is burning you slow it down. Other than that it is usually full steam ahead for most people.
@jayvadgama5663
@jayvadgama5663 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder Many thanks for your prompt reply. I learn something every day. Much Appreciated.
@xtc79
@xtc79 5 жыл бұрын
As a subscriber, from quite some time, I demand! that brick wall behind You, be fixed. It's unacceptable for such two respectable builders, to share essential info in so obscene scenery. Those holes hurt in the eyes xD
@johnbravo7542
@johnbravo7542 4 жыл бұрын
does the Makita have that parallel drop like the DeWalt? as that is pretty important in the work I do
@Badgerworkshop
@Badgerworkshop 5 жыл бұрын
The mafell looks a great machine. I hope they let you take a look at the new dowel joiner as im very interested in getting one.
@krisruchomski9294
@krisruchomski9294 5 жыл бұрын
So am I! It would be great to have a Domino vs Duo-doweler video. From what I can see is that the dowels are cheaper and more readily available and you can use specialist dowels that you can disassemble and assemble again (which might be the selling point for made to measure furniture makers). With Domino you get the cord and extraction system that Festool is so well known about.
@BischBaschBosch
@BischBaschBosch 5 жыл бұрын
@@krisruchomski9294 For the record Kris, the Mafell DDF 40 duo doweler has phenominal dust extraction. The drilled dowel holes are left clean as a whistle when you connect the tool to a dust extractor, with next to no dust escaping the tool. Like the Domino though it's quite a large investment. I'd highly recomend getting to a trade show to try both out. I was completely sold on the new (2018) DDF 40 personally. The build quality is fantastic.
@tymbian
@tymbian 5 жыл бұрын
@ @@BischBaschBosch Dust extraction on the Festool Domino is second to none.. I have the larger 700xl and it's fantastic. It will cut up to a 14mm x 140mm mortice for the respective tenon and if you only have room for 1 mortise the stock will not twist upon fitting like the DD40 will
@thomasmorley4966
@thomasmorley4966 5 жыл бұрын
The Domino is more suited to wood working, where the DD40 is more suited to cabinet making
@colmbrophy9842
@colmbrophy9842 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Lads have you done any reviews on a PAT shot fired gun Im looking at the Spit P370 thanks in advance
@joarflesja1516
@joarflesja1516 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for shereing 😊😊
@S_M.SolutionsLtd
@S_M.SolutionsLtd 4 жыл бұрын
We change the blades on all our saws with the Freud TCT blades for much better cuts with no splits.
@mrjw6701
@mrjw6701 4 жыл бұрын
Great review, I like the look of the makita. What I have been looking at and I’m tempted to buy is the Scheppach special addition PL 75. Has anyone used it or have any thoughts on it.
@Captainpippy
@Captainpippy 5 жыл бұрын
I want to buy the DeWalt but the no positive stop at 45 is a deal breaker. Makita corded it is.
@Alastair_Freebird
@Alastair_Freebird 4 жыл бұрын
Captainpippy I just did a test Makita vs festool on a 45degree cut and to my surprise I found the festool performed far better without the angle tilt stop. The fact is that even with the tilt stop on the makita, you need to twist your wrist or press down on the plate to ensure it runs smooth and flat on the track, and I found the cam grips on the makita inferior to the Festool which performed a better cut due to a smoother glide. These were both years old saws and the makita had suffered more wear from being less well designed and built.
@damianbaugh5530
@damianbaugh5530 5 жыл бұрын
I can't go past Festool but would buy Mafell if I can get it here in Australia
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын
Damian Baugh they don't sell em in NZ either haha
@samoanSAIYAN
@samoanSAIYAN 4 жыл бұрын
They do now sell them in Australia.
@alexhayman9049
@alexhayman9049 5 жыл бұрын
Love to see some routers on the show! And also videos to help young apprentice carpenters like my self
@teeeff5179
@teeeff5179 4 жыл бұрын
good job guys, i learned a lot. haven't bought anything yet but i feel a hell of a lot better prepared to do so thanks to your fine work. thanks for your honesty and knowledgable insights. (Mafell fanboys! ;) )
@JimboJet737
@JimboJet737 5 жыл бұрын
There is a youtube video showing the Bosch tracksaw. It clearly shows the plate is distorted during the setup process and once adjusted in the correct manner there is ZERO warp on the bottom plate. This is true for 90 degree and angled cuts. I'm not saying its ok, but I am suggesting that with this knowledge you will get correct setup and effectively get a Mafell saw for significantly less £ in you go for the Bosch. Besides as the Mafell is the group winner, then it follows that the Bosch with a "flat" plate will also have significant merit. Personally, I have yet to buy a TS, so will most likely go for the Bosch when the time comes given this knowledge. The power and the ease/trueness of rail connection with the price all being the deciding factors.
@jacecard
@jacecard 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers for pointing this out again JimboJet737, I think Roger and Robin should do a quick follow up video about this issue as nobody seems to be taking much notice. I've had the Bosch saw for nearly 3 years which replaced a Dewalt 240v version for fine / accurate cutting as I don't like the tracks because of the rubber strips that are glued on for the Dewalt and are a real pain to replace, also the track jointing system is brilliant on the Bosch. Basically you can throw the base out by leaning on the handle (the Marfell doesn't have the handle) while tightening up the front angle thumb screw. Yes it's a design issue due to the ability to be able to put the saw to -1 degree but once you know about it is something you check if using the angled cut feature. All the plunge saws have their quirks. With this problem addressed maybe it will go back on somebody's to buy list as it's very similar to the Marfell...hopefully Roger or Robin will read this and update all of the subscribers.
@Snippiii
@Snippiii 5 жыл бұрын
Had the same problem. Had to loosen the whole baseplate tho (4 black screws) then i re tighten it with a measure mate from the flat side of the blade (left and right) to the cnc cut line. Problem solved 🤷‍♂️👌
@stevenmott2421
@stevenmott2421 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am a tiler, and constantly get asked to trim the doors to fit after I've tiled a floor. I need to be able to action this now. Can you recommend a plunge saw (with track)for around £150 - £200. And what would be the best type of blade so as not to damage/splinter the door. Much appreciated - Steve
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve You can buy the Erbauer for that kind of money. So long as the track is firmly down you will not get splinters (breakout) with the blade they supply but if it is a hardwood door and you are concerned run it through at 3mm on the first pass just to tickle out the top surface. Be careful not to move the track for the deeper cut. Practice on an old door
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