Podcast: Inside the Driscoll "Cult" - Part 1

The "cultic" activities of Mark Driscoll and The Trinity Church have escalated to a whole new level. On this edition of The Roys Report, two former members of Driscoll’s security detail - Chad Freese and Ben Eneas - share their firsthand knowledge of this cult of personality.
Driscoll is now sending cease and desist letters, threatening to sue whistleblowers. And the threat is not in vain. Driscoll reportedly has amassed a $10 million dollar litigation fund to sue whistleblowers into oblivion.
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The audio podcast and transcript of this episode of The Roys Report was first released on July 6, 2021.
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[@davidspebble]

I've seen it all. Had the abusive Lead pastor, I could stand up to him because he had nothing on my dad. But All the other men bowed the head. He ran off 24 Ass. Pastors , secretaries etc. In fact every church I attended collapsed. I am 70 years old. Not saved in a church. About 20 years ago the Lord clearly led me out of church. My faith stronger than ever..

[@JohnnyLang-dw8ll]

The church today is a motivational assembly. John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[@marcinance9586]

This speaks more to YOUR issues… what part did YOU play in the collapse of these churches??

[@sagrammyfour]

A friend of mine met Bill Clinton in a reception line years ago, before the Monica Lewinsky thing. She told me the moment she touched his hand she got a creepy vibe and the phrase "horn dog" popped into her mind. At the time we just laughed. When I heard Mark Driscoll speak and looked at his face, I got the same vibe. He has a cruel dark countenance of a sexual predator, with sadistic overtones.There is something else, very deep I sense about him--there is a lot more that needs to be exposed. I had the same feeling hearing Jim Jones preach. I shudder to think of what his wife has to endure in intimate moments. My husband's profession required us to move several times during our 55-yr marriage, and in one church I got this same vibe from the pastor. after attending for only a few weeks. I told my husband we HAD to leave. NOW. My husband still thinks I'm crazy, but I haven't changed my mind. Then, other times I have been clueless. I faithfully listened to Ravi Zacarias for years. He helped me grow in my Christian walk. My takeaway from his transgressions is: 1) There are always SIGNS--I think they call them Red Flags. 2) No one gets away with this type of sin without being ENABLED by FRIENDS, FAMILY AND STAFF. The worst part is enablers continue to lie and excuse the horrific behavior, and deny their own role in aiding and abetting, refusing to ever acknowledge guilt. I do not believe in MEGA churches--they allow evil people to hide in plain sight and give them access to POWER, MONEY and VULNERABLE people. Small groups, home Bible study, life groups--that works for me. The late Zola Levitt said the 3 criteria for choosing a church should be: 1) Teach Bible 2) Teach Bible 3) Teach Bible.

[@JohnnyLang-dw8ll]

The message should always be Jesus and what He did. Most are about us and playing sad music while telling people to come to their 'jesus' John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[@JessWehrle]

The Driscoll quote I always remembered went something like, “The only job a pastor’s wife has is to sleep with her husband.” Extra creepy in light of what you just said

[@karenmartin4221]

@@JessWehrle that is so creepy & gross.

[@Dr.VonBraun]

As a former Mars Hill Intern and full time member, I started to see glaring spiritual issues creep up from behind closed doors. I eventually left because I started seeing the corruption and evil that was coming from Mark. After Mark was asked to step down from MH. he fled the state and refused to come under church disclipline. Mark is in open sin and apparently is continuing down that path.

[@scbayless]

What campus? I’m glad you listened to the Holy Spirit and left.

[@Dr.VonBraun]

@@scbaylessBallard Campus.

[@deborah3912]

Most cons are quick witted and can read people, that's what Driscoll is.

[@brandybobandy2194]

It's concerning that when asked by a detective why he waited 5 months to report a pedophile, Freese said he wasn't doing it because he thought a child was in danger, but because the church was covering it up. Ummm... Yes, children were in danger and that should be the core focus of reporting it to the police. Exposing the church is a secondary outcome! Saving the child is ALWAYS first, sir.

[@Snowbeard]

Excellent point! I used to work as a crisis counselor. Never, never wait!

[@elliotta.7761]

It’s definitely a cult of Mark Driscoll!

[@patchr5491]

Just think , with all the money that these mega churches generate they could tackle homelessness in their communitys! They do little more than enrich themselves.

[@themysticalexperiencer8141]

That's why I left. I'm 67, and burned out. I just want Jesus and the Bible. Period.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

I'm not sure where this comment is relevant to abuse within churches. Any church or institution that has money could be giving to any worthy cause. The issue being discussed here is abuse within the church and it would be good to focus on what can be done to redress abusive church structures rather than bring in an irrelevant comment like ' you better eat your food because some poor child in Africa is starving'.

[@patchr5491]

@@KJ-lb4tj first of all it's my opinion. Which I have a right to share and you can certainly disagree. But mega churches certainly do abuse the money they receive. Evangelicals generated 22 billion a year. There are literally thousands of homeless in America. Family's and children because rent is to high!!! Jesus chose to be poor , that is the example he set. Yet I cannot find one evangelical preacher from a mega church that does not enrich themselves!!!! Yes that is abuse. And it turning people away. The younger generation is turning away and I believe eventually they will lose that tax free status!! As they should . Why should you be able to say your nonprofit if the pastor as Franklin Graham does pays himself 700 k year!! What did Jesus say to the rich man??????

[@patchr5491]

Also Matthew 21:13 and yes I think many mega churches have become a den of theives

[@snopure]

@@KJ-lb4tj Maybe because if there's one type of abuse, there are usually other types as well, either to cover up the first abuse or support it. That's how corruption works. That's how sin works.

[@susannefuentes6784]

I'm born & raised from Phoenix. All clergy are to report all physical & sexual abuse to the authorities GOD put in place.

[@karenmartin4221]

It’s actually kind of shocking that people don’t know that.

[@ele2051]

Thank you for this exceptional interview. This church's bullying sounds akin to the Church of Scientology's tactics.

[@teachmywordministries277]

I visited this church once. My newly born again niece and I were shocked at how dark and sinful it felt there. We left feeling like we needed a Spiritual bath.

[@caroliner2029]

Great work Julie ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Thank you. Driscoll ticks all the boxes for Narcissism, and his paranoia is typical of Narcissists. This is an excellent case study that everyone in the Christian church can learn from. I didn't know what had happened until just now. I still had Mars Hill podcasts on my iPod (gone now, obviously). Brian Houston Bill Hybels Carl Lenz.... All Narcissist sociopaths. Wolves in shepherd's clothing.🇦🇺

[@bjones5791]

Scary.😢

[@donaldmartin7109]

Thank you for sharing and posting. Mark is an excellent speaker. My gut feeling was heading this way, and I found your story. Many false profits. I'm glad I did not buy any of his books. Everything mentions follows your story with facts. Amazon kick his book out. I notice he has lost several members very quietly. I am 71 age and love Jesus. I grew up with Billy Graham and still listen to his gospel. So many wolfs wearing sheep's clothing. Thank you and Jesus for guiding. us all from this crazy. Prayers are with you and your protection. Amen.

[@irideCrossTraining]

Amazon is still carrying his books....

[@guardianmeister6650]

The Wolf: When it comes to MY sins, it's al about grace, mercy and forgiveness (so I don't really have to repent) When it comes to YOUR sins (or what his warped mind thinks is your sins), cease and desist. I know a story of a young lady who brought a sexual assault allegation against a congregant (congregant, not a church staff) at a local Baptist Church. She was part of the church singles group. The "pastor" of that group (whom everyone seemed to admire ... admiration is supposed to be saved for Jesus ... see 2 Thess 1), just 6 months or so earlier, got in the pulpit and "addressed" a problem where guys were coming in at mid-week service and making girls uncomfortable by hitting on them with this statement: "Ladies, if any of these guys are giving you problems, send them to me, I'll take care of them." REMEMBER THESE WORDS. Great. A leader who is nothing but a defender of the weak, giving it all for Jesus. Fast forward 6 months this lady comes forward with a sexual assault allegation. Well ... suddenly it wasn't so clear who was in the wrong. Six months earlier it was crystal clear. They did the token "investigation." The guy pretty much admitted to her claim. So what happened next? They rushed him into a marriage. Yes, literally, you heard that right! In other words, "everything is true and pure and clean." Guess how they handled her. Well this amazing "pastor" never reviled her. He just stood by while all the people under his "care" did that dirty work for him. Eventually she left the church. No that wasn't enough. They had to go following her all over town and make sure everyone at the new church she attended knew what a problem she was. At one point she became suicidal. By the Grace of God she got past that. Here is the irony of it all. If you look at this man's words by the letter, he was actually true to it. He did, in fact, take care of the guy. I will leave you with more thing about this great "man of God." One Saturday he came out to take up a collection for a single mom in distress. Great, that's a great opportunity for the church and for the Gospel. He made a presentation, then wagged his finger and instructed everyone to "give 'til it hurts!" Alarm bells. Yes, as Christians we should be going so deep in our faith that sacrificial giving becomes part of who we are. You see that in 2 Cor 8 where Paul reminds the Corinthians of the Macedonian church and their giving. Keep reading. "I speak not by commandment ..." ( v. 8) There's tension in the air. Sacrificial giving is presented, but commandment is apparently not the way into that. So what is? Keep reading again to Chapter 9. "But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows [d]bountifully will also reap [e]bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of [f]necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." Oh, right! Preaching cheerful giving and practicing cheerful receiving produces generous people! This way, you are made generous by the mediation of the indwelling Christ and are free from the control of man. Amazing! Christ is dwelling in your heart by faith (Eph. 3). This man side-steps the Scripture and tries to force generous giving. This is abusive conditioning, not glorious transformation. Fast-forward to just a few years ago. He purchases a home, at the time of purchase, close to 55% above the median in this area. The message is loud and clear: "Give 'til it hurts, so I can live 'til it doesn't."

[@Golden_writes550]

I've served at a church in Pico rivera which had cultic attributes. The husband and wife were the soul runners of this gathering and when asked about the income they would not show how much they brought in a year, they had no elders and no leaders to keep them accountable and they had children serving them at home and serve them as butlers. Tithing was a major part of their sermons grown men still live in there home and never married due to the pushing of serving and were called (armor bearers) to protect the Pastor and his wife and were told," if you here anybody saying anything bad about us come and tell us." God used this to show me abuse in these gatherings I don't believe these are churches yet believers dwell in them... These are organizations set up by men

[@susandumbill8805]

That's disgusting, and it's more cultic than I've heard for a long time. I despise these 'pastors', male and female, for what they do! I have nothing but disdain for them. Strutting around, using Malachi chapter 3 verses 8, 9 and 10, as a demolition wrecking ball, just to get money out of people! SICK! And having single men serving them in their own home! These men should be married with children, not being treated like children themselves. And as for using their kids as butlers - sounds like Child Abuse to me! They should be reported to Child Protective services! DISGUSTING!!!

[@Lisa-qu5rv]

You do such great , thorough interviews ! Have opened my eyes to so much . Have you interviewed Madyson Marquette (sec trafficking surviver by mega church pastors and many other elites ) ?

[@Vanessa-ck4pv]

Thank you, Julie! We love your work 😊

[@KAC-5555]

Thank you ✝️🙏❤️🇺🇸

[@keithmorel3241]

Read , “ A Church Called Tov.” Hearing this really reminds me of the toxicity in some churches and we should not support fear cultures, loyalty cultures, celebrity cultures, narcissistic cultures, false narratives, etc.

[@karenmartin4221]

It cracks me out how he reinvented himself (& his entire family) from the “cussing pastor”/Seattle Hipster to down-home Good Ole Boy Southwesterners! I give him credit for pulling that off, I guess a good gimme cap goes a long way , lol

[@eugenejoseph7076]

It took decades to understand that gifted preacher can be a wretched human being full of ego and pride. Character is what ultimately what matters to God. His gifts are given without reservation. What men and women do with their gifts is their choice. Sadly, we've seen great gifts given to men used for evil.

[@Golden_writes550]

I would not say," gifted." Satan is sharp as well

[@Sekte-kultovi]

God bless you Julie!! Well done, well done....respect

[@ferventheat]

If he's at this stage without repentance, has avoided discipline, is still doing damage, I think it's too late for him. Let him who is unholy be unholy still rev 22v11. That's if Mark ever was a Christian. My understanding of his testimony is he is not born again.

[@Bob-sd8ns]

Mark ran away like brave Sir Robin 😂😂😂 …ironic considering all the bs he said about masculinity 😂

[@lanes3536]

Oh, the pain of judgment by brave, internet commentators 😂😂😂. It hurts. No, really

[@geraldpolmateer3255]

God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble. When God opposes the proud their days are numbered.

[@jesuschristislord264]

It is do sad that this is happening in the Christian church 😔

[@DAce-vu5ct]

This is heartbreaking , heart wrenching...just breaks me because I see so much of myself and so does my wife in Mark... I'm an enneagram 8, blunt and brash man prefers direct and masculine personality style but I'm big on compass, big on justice, big on fairness big on submitted to a solid group of elders to keep the ego in check and help your personal sanctification... I love marks work but seeing is evil wickedness continually happen breaks me and shatters me because he is so strong ...but he's not being fair to others .....a fascist tyrant with narcissistic tendencies is what is being revealed.. Iove blunt men...I don't mind mocking the satanic philosophy, I love mocking satanic thoughts .... But he's taken it so far...so over the line... It's just so bad...

[@snopure]

You should do some research on the enneagram... I recommend the material produced by Marcia Montenegro. It's like a horoscope. You might as well discuss what sign you were born under. No tool formed by man should tell you who you are or control you like that, especially if you apply your "number" to your relationships, when Scripture says we should not show favoritism. It doesn't matter what number you got, you still would have read yourself into the description anyway. And just like a horoscope, it does not belong in church and should not be used to define us as the Body of Christ.

[@johntobey1558]

@@snopure it was created by an occultist.

[@nancym4049]

Fascist is a governmental term. I went there. The church was not run in any way that seemed unhealthy, but it seems from stories he had/has an authoritarian style of leadership, and maybe anger issues. I've studied narcissism and not sure that fits either. People love his boldness in an era of cowardly pastors and the church continues to grow. We moved early 2022 so don't know since then.

[@ezbody]

​@@nancym4049 That's the direction it was moving towards. One of the clearest signs of it is when the new leader demands loyalty and starts systematically getting rid of "insubordinate" people, replacing them with yesmen. That's exactly what Marc was doing; there are also many other signs of his narcissistic inclinations.

[@garytrammell1716]

​@ezbody and not wanting local elders to keep him accountable...and the elders he chose are a thousand miles away..and are sympathizers to his so called Victomhood...and a few are Celebrity Pastors...

[@jasontaff3924]

Is Chad Freese’s website still up? I do not see it.

[@kfarawatson9351]

Very sad that this happens in the house of the Lord.

[@supersmart671]

I love his messages....so much of truth...

[@CFCMahomet]

A few things are true at once: Mark Driscoll is very gifted. Mark Driscoll is abusive. Mark Driscoll has PTSD. This combination is very dangerous, unchecked.

[@karenmartin4221]

Robert Morris serves (or served?) as an “overseer” for Mark’s new church.

[@davidparkes7977]

I watch one of his videos and new after a minute you have to ask the holy spirit for the gift of discernment.

[@killymorrison2136]

If he was a godly man these things would not be ever where.hes evil. And the lord will get justice.

[@RedHybiscus]

Not seeing it - nothing specific here. What did he do specifically?

[@lootbird]

He slept with your mom

[@areconstructionstory4770]

Listen to the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast. It’s all well documented. All the people making these accusations are not lying. What these guys are saying is just a continuation of the same behavior.

[@RedHybiscus]

@@areconstructionstory4770 but exactly what did he do - I see people don’t like him but a lot of people didn’t like Jesus. So please spell out the crimes specifically so can understand

[@areconstructionstory4770]

@@RedHybiscus ok, let’s not do the whataboutism with Jesus. Jesus pronounced judgment on the temple and went after the religious elites. It’s obvious who didn’t like him and why. The people who “don’t like” Driscoll are former staff and friends. They’re people who dedicated their careers to the success of Mars Hill. The specific “crimes” are not technically illegal like stealing or physical abuse that left marks. It’s bullying, abuse of authority, resistance to accountability, obsession with numbers and material success, verbal abuse, emotional abuse. The kind of abuse narcissists perpetrate that has plausible deniability or they can explain away or run away from and say “I’m a victim” “it’s a witch hunt.” Then when they land somewhere else, new people make the same allegations. Once again, listen to the rise and fall of Mars Hill. It’s not one specific thing. It’s a pattern of behavior over long periods of time. It’s the kind of behavior that makes men rich and powerful in government and corporations but should be rejected by the church because it violates like every fruit of the spirit.

[@areconstructionstory4770]

@@RedHybiscus let’s not do the whataboutism with Jesus. We know what he did that upset the people who didn’t like him. The people who don’t like Mark are former friends and staff who were dedicated to the success of Mars Hill. There isn’t a specific crime such as stealing or physical abuse. It’s patterns of behavior such as bullying, emotional abuse, psychological abuse, obsession with fame and numbers, blatant misogyny, resistance to accountability. It’s the classic narcissistic manipulative behaviors that get you wealth and power in government and corporate America but that the church should reject because leaders should display the fruits of the spirit. Once again, it’s well documented on the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.

[@tad3900]

Grew up in Seattle and was there during the rise and fall of Mark and Mars Hill.

[@bobs8005]

How was your experience?

[@nancym4049]

And...

[@mrwoodsmoke357]

So what church should I go to Julie? What church out there is still preaching pro traditional marriage, abortion is sin, pride is sin, and adultery is sin. Would love your input.

[@jayfrei]

Calvary Chapels.

[@davelyn786]

Do it at home

[@mrwoodsmoke357]

@@davelyn786 I'm not a pastor..

[@davelyn786]

@@mrwoodsmoke357 send me the verse that says you need to be.

[@mrwoodsmoke357]

@@davelyn786 question, do you go to school to be taught by a professor or a teacher?? Or do you stay home and teach yourself.

[@guardianmeister6650]

Isn't it interesting how in the Scripture we have the Pharisees booting anyone who confessed Jesus out of the synagogue? One of Christ's titles is the Son of Righteousness. This same pattern is repeated. Someone calls for righteousness be done and they are booted out. This is radical denial of Christ! "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake." Matt 5

[@ezbody]

You sure have a weird concept of righteousness if you are talking about Mark.

[@paulcummings287]

how in God's green earth does Driscoll still have a pulpit? The amount of "spin" you have to generate to say "Oh the whole Rise and Fall of Mars Hill was all fake" is astounding...

[@karenmartin4221]

People are funny. I mean Gateway & Robert Morris boast 100,000 members.

[@madduckks]

Sounds like Mark needs deliverance. Without getting free, more people are going to be hurt, as well as him and his family. He needs to be set free and then restored.

[@Dulcimertunes]

As long as restoration does NOT include ever pastoring again. His lying and abusive behavior has disqualified him.

[@ferventheat]

If he's at this stage without repentance, has avoided discipline, is still doing damage, I think it's too late for him. Let him who is unholy be unholy still rev 22v11. If he ever was a Christian. My understanding of his testimony is he is not born again.

[@tomtrinaelmes663]

The church I just left was big on Mark and had him give sermons a couple times. When they started heading down the same road of Mars hills I left.. Now I see they are doing a lot of the same things he is doing at Trinity including a Real man group. Where if you are not a hunter or have a lot of guns you are letting your family down. Being former Army myself I do not see a need for the talking down to people who are not big gun nuts. I think you can be a true follower of God and not needing to have weapons all over your house and on you at all times. Thank you for all you are doing to shedding light on this unfortunately he has gotten his grip on more than just his own little world.

[@josiede8509]

Wow this sounds like my experience with Fresh start church in Peoria, not exactly but very similar

[@nancym4049]

I went there for a year in 2021 and then we moved. I can't speak to what went on behind the scenes, but it really annoys me throwing around the word cult. It is not a cult. From the viewpoint of someone who attended there regularly, there's worship and there is good Bible preaching. Pastor Mark is actually a great Bible teacher. I don't know him personally but it ain't no cult.

[@lharris4455]

Ppl in a cult don’t know it’s a cult…..

[@nancym4049]

@@lharris4455 Sometimes they do.

[@annecapozzi6433]

If it were a cult you wouldn’t be able to leave

[@kaybrown4010]

@@annecapozzi6433 I was in a cult until my eyes were opened, and I left. It’s uncomfortable, not impossible.

[@pedromas55pm]

I used to deny my church’s choices were questionable until I stopped long enough to look into it

[@abigailxiao3501]

Love mark driscoll topic

[@Redeemedpainter]

you are in my prayer

[@johnhenry9456]

In this day and age, cameras are not unusual. Security for pastors is not unusual. The more cameras and security the better. It would be unusual, however, for a cult to have so many cameras recording every cult like move. Don’t know a lot about this particular pastor though.

[@lavadamorrison4569]

Sounds like Driscoll is a typical narcissist. I tried to listen to him once or twice but I could discern the arrogance and pride in him. Narcissists don't change because they think they are never wrong. I had a pastor long ago that was a narcissist and was spiritually abused by him and he pulled the touch not God's anointed card. Attacking me from the pulpit with his messages. I stood my ground and left that church. He pursued me and could not get past the fact that I would not submit to his abuse and was not afraid of him. Several other churches got involved, one Pastor said that Pastors could only be corrected from above. One Pastor in the group defended me and several others that brought accusations against the pastor that was spiritually abusing me and others in the congregation. This stuff has been going on in many churches for a very long time. Also, narcissists are always portraying themselves as the victims.

[@Snowbeard]

I used to live in a town of 2,000 and we had one sherriff.

[@FleagleSangria]

This is why I mainly listen to old timey preachers (though it is getting more difficult to find them on youtube and online) Vernon McGee “Thru The Bible”, Yancey, Stanley, John McArthur (though I am not a calvanist), Adrian Rogers. Im leary and very careful with who I listen to concerning the more “new guys”. As far as this guy, I watched him a few times and at first he seemed pretty good. Couldn’t find anything unbiblical, but something didnt set well. Just something about the guy and his personality. I shook it off as my issue for a few more times, then realized some of the rather mean things he was saying were “what?” moments. He is a good speaker like these guys say. The last sermon I listenes to though he said some really out of left field things that definitely raised red flags, so I unsubscribed and have not watched him since. Crack your bibles open and ask God to reveal Himsel. He will. He will lead you to recognize good teachers. And when you find one there is nothing better.

[@ThorfinnSkullsplitter-fz7ff]

I'm still not hearing anything indicting except that Driscoll has a strong personality. Btw - A man being masculine is not a crime.

[@song23ministries]

The blind following the blind.

[@AmazinCarpeDiem]

Did these guys research Mars Hill (and MD's lack of repentance) before joining Trinity? Not to judge but the writing has been on the wall for 10 years.

[@urbanvoice5323]

Exactly, ppl need to learn from their naivety.

[@karenmartin4221]

Clearly not.

[@lionandlamb7663]

This is a late comment, but doesn't the Bible tell us we are not supposed to take other believers to court? Unbelieving judge handling a matter between believers????

[@nikkio.9990]

40:00 Mark D. telling the story of helicopters coming for him? Ok he is insane. Literally insane.

[@lootbird]

Please look into 3rd day church in Kingston Ontario

[@americaswayout4489]

Dealing with a Pastor that is a strong control person can be difficult, a best friend had a father in-law that met that definition but some folks need that kind of leadership. I listened to a couple of Driscoll's sermons and found him reserved as if afraid to express his real or complete view. It is easy to harshly judge someone especially if you are jealous of their ability to build a large following and many many want to-bees will nit-pick you to death, so much that the defensiveness gets in the way of the calling. He does have an anointing, everyone needs to remember God's called are never perfect, nor is Driscoll or I or vou. What is my opinion of you and your report, well just another WOKE Liberal doing what they do looking for ways to destroy what they are incapable of understanding. Just my first impression? Who gives you authority to attack God's called? Remember the scripture's command? He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; 15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. Of course, who am I to judge you?

[@lindaolsen7089]

"Dealing with a Pastor that is a strong control person can be difficult, a best friend had a father in-law that met that definition but some folks need that kind of leadership." Some folks? You mean like very small children who are likely to run out in the middle of the street and get hurt or killed? Or like elderly persons suffering from dementia who wander off and can't remember who they are, and would go with a stranger, or lie down outside in the winter when tired? Because those are the two types of persons who need strong controls put around them for their own safety. Other than that, no, nobody needs that type of leadership. They just get used to being disrespected or abused.

[@mycrochetobsession]

This podcast never denied power and anointing of Driscoll’s sermons- it clearly states that Driscoll’s walk does not reflect his talk-that Humility is not evident in his personal life nor in his leadership beyond the Sunday pulpit. It’s true, Driscoll is not for everyone- he wears a t-shirt that reads this- there is some irony in that statement. Driscoll is not for everyone-he is for himself.

[@ezbody]

Since "woke" means kind and empathetic, and liberal means open and educated, you are kind of throwing poop on yourself.

[@americaswayout4489]

@@lindaolsen7089 I don't disagree, but some folks desire an expert telling them what to do. It is their desire to be controlled.

[@Whatisthematterwithyoupeople]

God’s Word gives the qualifications of an Elder/teacher. Most are CHARACTER qualifications. ‘People aren’t perfect’ is not a reason to allow someone to behave wrongly as an Elder.

[@user-vd8gw6is8b]

Wow! What a circus, lets pass the offering plate shall we! Think not

[@mynonameyt]

I think Driscoll is someone who is pathological. A guy who seeks fame, the spotlight, power, money. In other words chasing what unbelievers chase. Why did it take so long for the elders to do something? I believe they also wanted position and power and money (didn't want to lose their job. This is very much what I see in the formal church.

[@starlingswallow]

Mark D is a full blown narcissist. 🤯🤯🤯

[@Dulcimertunes]

Wouldn’t it be interesting to show a video of Pastor screaming F bombs on the screen during ‘worship’?

[@bobs8005]

What happened?

[@karenmartin4221]

1 Timothy 6:10

[@robertgutierrez5058]

Similar to that cult leader in the state of maine Bryan Denlinger

[@MrSparklespring]

The man is under demonic influence through great flaws in his character especially anger issues. I recognise these kind of things with people. Cut the 'christian' crap, he wouldn't recognise Jesus from a mile if he came back.

[@Brutuscomedy]

Mark has said we need someone from the woods for bold leadership. Well, Brutus spent 4 months of the past 15 out there so let's go! Maybe it's Brutus's time to shine. That song by P.O.D. (that is, "Shine With Me") is 3:33 after all-- Brutus's fav number, which he sees quite often. Jesus: "Love your enemies." not exactly "hyper" masculine and pro-military jargon Even Jesus didn't have a security detail. He HEALED the ear of a soldier who came to ARREST HIM and lead him to public execution.

[@recabitejehonadab2654]

Mark is a great Bible teacher though he puts men down a lot and says nothing about loose females that are rampant today.

[@lisagill7968]

Isn't this the lady that went after John Macarthur?

[@jmh8510]

One of these men sites what a man really is, or should be… Then says his wife says “hey let’s move to Arizona ..and he says “OK” -Maybe this whole thing could’ve been avoided for he and his family if there had been his leader ship involvement-or maybe I’m misunderstanding.

[@walkingintruth7936]

Isn’t the whole “pastors need bodyguards” just totally anti- Scripture? It promotes the use that these men are super important and in danger?? Totally cultish. The Bible college I attended for a year and a half in Crown Point, IN did this same thing! The students would actually plaster themselves against the wall as the leader walked through with his entourage and it was recommended you “not touch him”.

[@matt8637]

Maybe they should start to picket the church like they did in Seattle. Bring light to it.

[@wadedavies3924]

I attended a Mars Hill service in Seattle with my daughter one time and were repulsed by it's heavy metal overtones.

[@Cooltreevr]

Driscol is charismatic and some of his stuff is thoughtful but in no way does he remind me of Jesus Christ. Nothing else to say is there?

[@joshuakaululaau3990]

Is his preaching unbiblical? I actually enjoy james mcdonald and mark driscolls sermons

[@ezbody]

Some people enjoy torturing animals.

[@teachmywordministries277]

Yes, he preaches erroneous Biblical lessons. He may be charismatic, but he is not a good theologian.

[@bobdavis9727]

Since the apostasy of Jesus' surviving followers (e.g., killing off the 12 Apostles) false religions produce faulting leaders who rise to power then fail (e.g., Jimmy & Tammy Baker).

[@jsl8905]

Voice of the Martyrs was founded by Richard Wurmbrant.

[@habibj]

Obvious bully narcissist

[@Solar-Busters]

Sounds like the Chris Hodges cult @ COTH in Birmingham

[@PooleSilly]

I am grateful to say that I am a born again Christian and have been since I was 19.......yes indeed i enjoy listening to this dear man of God Mark Driscoll and I much pray God's peace and comfort on him and his family each and everyday and that God uses him and his ministry mightily to much glorify and lift high the king of kings and the lord of lords!!!!!! to God Be All The Glory!!!!! Great Things He Hath Done!!!!!! and all hail king Jesus!!!!! the king of kings and the lord of lords!!!!!! however folks these days are getting darker and Christ is coming soon and if you don’t know Christ as your savior then it burdens my soul to think that you are headed for a terrible place called Hell where the Bible says the fire is never quenched and the worm dies not! Folks you are not promised tomorrow! If you want to know how to be saved from this horrible reality then please by all means don’t hesitate to comment right back so I can lead you to the savior! 2 Corinthians 6:2 clearly states “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation!” And Hebrews 3:15 clearly states, “Today if you hear his voice don’t harden your hearts! it is not me but the Holy Spirit that I pray reveals to you the truth of his precious gospel......John 3:16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life! V 17 says then V 18 says whoever believes on the son is not condemned but whoever does not believe on the son is condemned already because he has not believed on the son whom God has sent! Also Acts 16:30-31 what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house I am not threatening anyone but just warning them what will happen if they reject this precious gift of eternal life! Christ died a horrible criminals death! He was beaten brutally mocked spit upon and endured countless hours of torture pain for all of our sins! Ppl go to hell because they reject that pardon for their sins! And Jesus is saying to them in Matthew 25:41 depart from me you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! Hell was only prepared for Satan and his angels! It is not God who threatens anyone it is the craziness of rejecting the free pardon of salvation! It’s like if you’re in court you’ve committed a crime say you murdered someone! Now if you say to that Judge hey I know I’ve done a terrible thing of murdering that person but I hear you’re a good judge and so I know you’ll be fair to me...... the judge is going to reply well yes you’re right about one thing I am a good judge and because I’m a good judge I’m going to see to it that you’re punished and that justice is served! Well then all of a sudden someone you don’t even know comes forward and says you know what I know he’s committed the crime he’s committed and he deserves to go to jail but I really don’t want to see him go to prison so I’ll just go to prison for him so he can go free! So if you accepted that offer you’d be free to leave the courtroom but if you didn’t well you’d be crazy and go to prison yourself! Well that’s exactly how it was 2,000 years ago! He is God in human flesh and he came to this earth lived a perfect sinless life and even though he knew that we had sinned and because of our sins deserved to die miserably but he said no I don’t want to see them suffer so I will go and take their punishment for them! Even though he did absolutely nothing wrong still he chose to take the punishment for our sins so we can be set free from the power bondages and consequences of our disobedience to God! Romans 5:8 says For God commends his love toward us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us! 1 John 2:2 says he was made to be the propitiation for our sins! And not just for our sins but the sins of the whole world! 2 Corinthians 5:21 He who knew no sin became Sin for us that we would be made his righteousness! The truth is if you had to get to Heaven by your own effort then you cannot do it! Because Romans 3:10 says there is not one that does good! No Not One! Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 6:23 says For the wages of sin is death! But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord! But the good news is Romans 10:9 If we confess with our mouth and believes in our hearts that Christ died for our sins then was raised from the dead we will be saved! V 10 For it’s with the heart we believe and it’s with the mouth confession is made unto salvation! God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we’ve broken every one of them! And because God is a good God he cannot allow our disobedience to him to go unpunished! Well then like I just mentioned above his son Jesus stepped forward and said no I don’t want to see them punished so I will take their punishment for them! And also like I said he died a terrible substitute criminal’s death for us on a cross so now all we have to do is accept that payment for our sins and we can escape the terrible wrath of God that is to fall on them who do not accept this atonement that was sacrificed for our sins! Praise the lord Romans 10:13 says Whoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved! And 1 Peter 1:4 you’re an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you! Christ clearly said in John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me! Acts 4:12 clearly states that there is no other name given unto Heaven or earth by which we must be saved as there is salvation in no other! Jesus clearly states that there is clearly only one way to Salvation and it’s him that’s it! There is no other way! God Bless everyone who reads!

[@TBird5790]

Did you really expect anyone to support your support of Mark Driscoll? And this isn't your Podcast, it is Julie's.

[@TBird5790]

Did you even watch the interview?

[@TBird5790]

And did you expect anyone to really read this whole post? Sure, the Word is is powerful to save. Why did you do this? Something is off.

[@lharris4455]

What in the….

[@lornadoone8887]

🙄

[@Dulcimertunes]

Why would you even START going a church pastored by a disgraced ‘pastor’?

[@bobs8005]

I bet a lot of people don’t realize his backstory. He hides it on their website

[@GodsMan500]

Many people want to be associated with fame, even if that fame is negative.

[@sherrytucker623]

Check out Christianity Today’s in-depth report on this subject. I highly recommend.

[@cristidormiendo5743]

I’m listening to it now. Its sad to hear that MD is doing this again in AZ. From the podcast it seems that MD started out wanting to do God’s work. But the lure of power and celebrity status pulled him off course. But he’s repeating the cycle in another state. Pray for him and all men.

[@angelwalker2703]

Christianity Today is a woke rag now.

[@sherrytucker623]

@@angelwalker2703 ha

[@ezbody]

​@@angelwalker2703 "woke" means kind and empathetic, "rug" means carpet. What are you trying to say here?

[@missouri6014]

Notice that Mark acts exactly like Donald Trump Does anyone else see that? Politics, aside now

[@bluetickbeagles116]

I remember when I was living in Michigan and wanted to return to the church, I started listen to Christian radio and James McDonald had a sermon that talked about men not acting like women, wild animals, or children. It was immediately infuriating because not all women are hysterical and childlike especially the women that I work with who are first responders and put their lives on the line to save others. It came off as extremely misogynistic and that women act like hysterical wild animals and have low cognitive function like children. A little off topic…Nancy Demoss Wolgemuth who always spoke about women staying home where they are protected and where they belong. She about worships John Piper. Immediately infuriating and they turned me off from going back to church. Years before that I encountered a prophet who had his little imp follower who always thought that God works through them and if people don’t submit to their word it’s like slapping God in the face. I was labeled rebellious and unsubmitted when I didn’t want to go into business with him and I kindly said no I would like to follow my own path and a career. They said I was throwing arrows at them by not submitting. I had to write a letter of apology to this prophet Bishop/Pastor/Spiritual covering (whatever he was) that I apologize for saying no to you and it’s like slapping God in the face by slapping you in the face. This spiritual covering profit did not like hearing the answer “no” and his little imp follower said that he’s not used to hearing the word “no”, but he’s used to people obeying his word. His little imp follower always told me that this spiritual covering would test me. I’m still not sure exactly what that means to this very day, but I think it was to see if I would submit to his will. The spiritual covering prophet would attack people from the pulpit and I saw him literally get into a fistfight with a member in the congregation after he verbally attacked that member from the pulpit. They hated how I dressed, my hobbies (too masculine 🙄)., etc. They said (after I found out a year after all the crap), that they were preparing me for the UPHC. Ugh 😣

[@susandumbill8805]

These men need to grow up! Either that or they need some diapers! I've heard this kind of craziness before. Immature men who have a tantrum every time a woman doesn't swoon before him! Women aren't thick. Neither are children. Neither are animals. It's these misogynistic little boys who think they should be worshipped because of their gender and 'calling'. Trust must be earned. Respect must be earned. Obedience and submission doesn't come along on a plate. These too must be earned, and the man, even a Bishop, has no right to expect any such unless he's prepared to do what it takes. And that starts with maturity. Same goes for the little imp! They're just silly little boys who can't leave the sandpit! Some of us women have had extremely responsible jobs. I just haven't got the time nor tolerance for level of immaturity and resulting foolishness. Life is serious. Little boys - GROW UP!

[@Window4503]

Big yikes. I'm glad you got away from all of that and hopefully found a Christian community with a truly biblical understanding of women in the church without mixing it up with cultural stereotypes.

[@SheilaG971]

This makes me feel very sad as I had just listened to a recent sermon from Mark Driscoll and had many of the statements he made bear witness with my spirit. We should know each other by the spirit and not by the flesh. He is obviously an anointed messenger and I would feel great concern about challenging that. God is well able to bring down anyone who needs to be brought down without the help of man.

[@ezbody]

​@@SheilaG971 So, you think that your attraction to mucho men and their bs is a witness of the spirit?

[@JohnnyLang-dw8ll]

If the message is Jesus and Him dying for our sins then they are false prophets. He is a motivational speaker playing the keyboard while speaking... all an emotional fraud John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[@gundriver6439]

I stand with Pastor Mark 100%. He doesn't take a knee to Babylon within the Church and nor do I...

[@ezbody]

I don't take a knee to Jupiter within the Church. I am better than you are.

[@jaeburnz2484]

What I think is extremely interesting is, this man, Driscoll, has publicly repented, has clearly changed, has been attacked constantly, his family was threatened, children attacked… and people only seem to ever worry about one side of the story. He has what seems to be a great marriage and fantastic kids who all loves the Lord and serve in the church with him. So what’s the issue? Get Driscoll on with these guys and let them talk publicly and let Driscoll face his accusers. Just seems like a constant attempt to tear down the church.

[@andrewhodgeson8006]

💯

[@CasperLCat]

No he hasn’t publicly repented. I’ve watched all his public appearances after leaving MHC; he has always claimed to be the victim. He fled the mars hill disciplinary process, was never restored by his own elders, and just went to Arizona and started a new church where he has absolute control.

[@ezbody]

He also grew angel wings, and loves little kittens.

[@angtxsun4460]

lol, give him time and his true colors will show again. Not my first rodeo…

[@normmadson5381]

Something about you Julie just doesn’t smell right.

[@vickyjohnson2704]

Would love to ask Julie what she thinks? I was told by a newish pastor … after meeting two of them .. to ask about their church doctrine… they poured 2 beers each… then we discussed the doctrine question… THEN they flew into me and said….. Youhave a Jezebel spirit… they have known me about 18months. I told them I was devastated… 😮. The older one was angry … it was an awful experience 😮

[@vickyjohnson2704]

Another thing… I’m nearly 80 years old and they are 32.. and 55 am still wondering what on earth I’ve done to deserve the title?

[@karenmartin4221]

@@vickyjohnson2704 who cares? They sound nuts. Run for the hills!!!

[@patchr5491]

Someone needs to hold the church all churches accountable. Now I see, Spence Trump the church as a business!!!!!!! Even main stream.

[@orgullosamentemexicana952]

Not sure if you have looked into BETHEL. Would LOVE TO hear or know about that ministry n their unbiblical and dangerous practices.

[@JewandGreek]

How are they dangerous?

[@americaswayout4489]

I can give you my opinion of Bethel, very likely the most NEW TESTAMENT like church I have ever seen. The Pastor is more like Christ's first visit, he is a Suffering Servant Messiah like personality, kind generous, forgiving and plants that in all that are sent to him for training. Don't get me wrong, but he relies on Holy Spirit to give him direction and seems to always hunger for more. So do his Sheep. That hunger is difficult for those that don't think Holy Spirit and his giftings are still active today? But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Where is brethren in the Bible? Romans 8:29-30 show us that these brethren are those who are predestinated, called, justified, and glorified; and Hebrews 2:11 makes it clear that they are those who are sanctified with Christ.

[@wnctg]

Bethel is Nar. False everything, New Age and dangerous

[@ezbody]

Is that the church where they were trying to resurrect a dead baby by praying over it for days?

[@ralphey8189]

J ulie J ezebel

[@elsjemassyn8921]

Christianity is a circus a mad-house

[@Epic_Shotz]

Interesting you’re listening to this podcast. You are obviously searching for something

[@ashleyodell3778]

True Christianity is peace, joy, repentance. Wouldn't it make sense that if Satan was real (which he is) that he would infiltrate Churches? It's the false converts that Satan uses to make Christianity look evil.

[@leenieledejo6849]

​@@ashleyodell3778Exactly. Everyone should read the case of Ben Field and the Maids Moreton murders. That's the most evil I have ever read about. And churches ignore the New Testament's repeated commands to discern, to test spirits, to judge those within (1 Corinthians 5:12-13) and to mark and avoid. The consequences of idolizing men, being partial, not protecting the sheep and teaching false doctrines are that doors are opened to demons (spiritually and often physically) and they march in and run amok.

[@user-pe2jg2sw3g]

Every body isn’t perfect Jesus is only perfect mark is a good pastor he speaks the truth and he is bold !! But I’m guessing this Roy’s report and you two are wolves !! 2000 years ago there were wolves trying to take down churches that were good … new days old demons . I will pray for you!!!

[@ezbody]

My Jesus is stronger than your Jesus.

[@angtxsun4460]

@@ezbodyJesus isn’t about strength, Christ is about love! Manliness isn’t about guns and facial hair and threats either. We are called to Put away childish things and grow up to be Christian men and women. To Love

[@amberkarl9664]

I’m pretty sure if you had death threats on your family …you’d want security and a husband who would actually protect you lady…you waste peoples time and your own time by “reporting “ ….preach the gospel and lead people to Christ …. Isn’t that what your supposed to be doing instead?

[@davecloft2361]

It’s easy to criticize, difficult to create. You enjoy destroying something that’s good with gossip and opinions. You should reflect on your actions. Not cool.

[@allstarlandscaping4177]

So before we even get to your podcast l… You tried to sell us a college and some used vehicles… You also are charlatan.

[@cultdoctor100]

1 COR. 6 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud-even your own brothers![a]

[@KJ-lb4tj]

What are you trying to say here about the abuse in mark Driscoll's church?

[@PB_324]

Did you not even listen to the podcast? MD excommunicated the whistle blower without even doing an investigation. Sheesh.

[@venomfangnext]

Julie needs to be called to repentance for her own abuse, and victim blaiming

[@leenieledejo6849]

What abuse? Be specific. Otherwise you are bearing false witness.

[@Epic_Shotz]

I don’t think you’ve done your homework on him. Obviously by you saying “this man, Driscoll”. Just quick search and you’ll see.

[@eternalrealist2836]

I was trying to listen with an open mind, but you lost me completely at Christianty Today. You have affiliated with heresy. Do you not see that removes all credibility?

[@florianiscrown]

Buyacar123 that says it all don't it???