I Have 1 MAJOR Question About Safi....Did They Mess Up? | Life Is Strange Double Exposure

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

The disaster should be a comet / asteroid heading towards earth not a tornado again. These writers have no originality.

[@mattstansbeary3068]

Orders From Square Enix Follow Life is Strange 1 No other Choice. So Yes it will Always be a Tornado even in Life is Strange Double Exposure. If you go why you Really Don't get the issue with Square Enix Holding on to the Ip. They will Never Leave Life is Strange 1. There is 3 $ on Square Enix Mind at all Times 1, Max 2, Chloe & 3, Life is Strange 1. Above all Life is Strange 1.

[@dudleysquibbles6366]

So true, especially when I saw the "nightmare sequence" in Ep 5. Life is Strange 1 did that because they ran out of time and resources to keep the game going. This just felt like they gave up at the end

[@brokenhandle]

Yeah I was shocked they didn’t your name it with the meteor shower. That would have been awesome.

[@vVRichardVv]

​@@mattstansbeary3068 I think I got an aneurism trying to understand what you wrote.

[@PrettyBoyAshton]

Facts

[@TheLostFan2010]

Alderman is definitely indicative of the greater problems of this narrative. he gets Timecopped and then ceases to be relevant to anything. Why was he even in the game?

[@Young_Wrath]

He’s going to play a role in the next game so the sequel to this is going to come full circle, we’re playing from maxes perspective and she has no idea what happened with alderman so neither do we

[@jaidenoliver7165]

@@Young_Wrath definitely agree! I trust the writers enough that the open ended events will lead to something in the next game. I believe that's also why they're both essentially the same outcome. In order to avoid having to have a whole split timeline in the next game based on each decision like that

[@priscilabee583]

And the lack of reaction when Alderman disappears. Max and Moses just calmly continue to chat lol

[@cicik57]

i suspect, since he has vanished only in one timeline, he could return after merging... with memories! Lets see if D9 is at least this clever.

[@FallenGemini]

​@cicik57 same. Alderman only wrote himself out of existence in the Dead timeline. We don't see him in the living timeline for obvious reasons - the cops aren't needed in that timeline.

[@WingsOfLegends]

My only confusion is that there is a version of Max that actually commits murder when she kills Safi. But what did this Max go through differently to actually end up pulling the trigger? There is so much that needs to be explained still.

[@cicik57]

yes, Safi seems to get out of control later in the very first timeline "before" DE. Since she would investigate her book cancel story. The overlook scenes are different. First one, Safi sits on the bench, in second she stands.

[@domonicdaniels7458]

I’m assuming that max ran

[@ojasdagale9174]

I don't know, but we might get an explanation in the next game

[@MapOfEurasia]

Time paradox. In a time paradox you'll see the effect before the cause. Max saw and knew her future (killing Safi) and decided to change it.

[@igorpolyakov4113]

@@MapOfEurasia Which still doesn't explain how a version of her ended up at the overlook BEFORE the main Max joins up with Safi. Unless there's two Maxes in play, and the 2nd somehow time traveled from the FUTURE to kill Safi in the past, who apparently at that point was aware that this Max was from the future. So yeah, a time paradox for sure, but one that makes no sense whatsoever.

[@treywright1238]

This is why when you mix time travel with alternate realities,writing quality always goes completely out the window.

[@shadowknight_studios7588]

remember scarlet nexus [ 2021 ]

[@treywright1238]

@shadowknight_studios7588 I dont...but from the sound of it,that's a good thing

[@cicik57]

you must set up accurate rules and stick to them no matter what. LiS1 had some unexplained things, but here in DE they just makes events, what they want, regardless of the rules. Just start to think, that Safi's powers seems to be mental so the illusion should not be on the video.

[@MistyLose]

It actually could've worked if they didnt go for garbage generic story line

[@nerodiseppia99]

I think it could have made sense bc Max power imo isn’t rewind time but more so time traveling, basically what she is doing is time traveling between her different choices (kinda like what we saw when she was in different realities or timelines you could say at the end of life is strange 1 where she actually wins the prize and fly to whatever it was with her headmaster). if you see it like that what she is basically doing is just seeing from “outside the picture” like what Garnet in Steven Universe does (if u know that show ofc). And in my mind this makes a lot of sense bc it is basically what bending time would look like once u learn it a bit but it was TOTALLY waisted on a poorly written storyline here… unfortunately

[@fierygamer582]

This is a game that throws everything from the first game out the window. The first game worked so well that it felt like even the smallest decision you did would backfire later. There were so many twists that no one saw coming. The second chapter with Kate is heart-wrenching. Living with the possibility of paralyzing Chloe and killing her is terrifying. The Mr. Jefferson twist was so well done. So much was done well due to the writing. Man, every character was great. Even the ones you are suppose to hate. The writing in this game was not great and some of the characters for me are kinda forgettable and uninteresting. Max's powers in this game were extremely confusing. Also, giving more characters powers doesn't make sense. We didn't need them to have powers. We could just have the mystery of max having cool time powers.

[@_monduz2022]

the problem with this game is that every choice you take doesnt really affect the game's plot,just how charachters feel. seems like true colors, the ending doesnt really care about important choices like they did with the first two chapters

[@newme4462]

What I liked about True Colors tho is that there'd be different characters going to the bus station depending on the choices you made. Although the endings were kinda underwhelming, I liked that little detail lol

[@Sparky6Voltz]

​@@newme4462 Agreed. It changed the tone of the ending a lot imo

[@sig9779]

One thing to think about is that there are actually three timelines in the game, one of which is only hinted at through the found polaroids -- a timeline where not only did Safi not die, but the timelines also never split, and so everyone just continued along their trajectory. Even in the game's living world, Max's behavior changes drastically because she's trying to solve a supernatural murder mystery, which changes everyone else's behavior too, but there's also another timeline, and another Max, where absolutely nothing like that happened. I guess what we don't know is which Max initially killed Safi and why. If it was an alternate future Max... how was there already a photo to travel back to? That I don't know! But I think the game's storm comes about because our Max goes back in time and refuses to shoot Safi. That's what creates the timeline split we've been using all game, and why a storm is following Max after that. Why the storm wasn't following her all game... I don't know that either. In the first game, the storm is literally the first thing we see, and she knows about it before she's ever done a single rewind. So in conclusion I don't really get it either, but there's also a lot we don't know or that's only hinted at. But there's certainly a decent chance we're giving this a lot more thought than they ever did.

[@kairizeeshoopuf]

Maybe but what’s confusing is why did Max hold the gun in the first place??? Like the owl picture made sense but that never made sense and at that moment in time they had just had a nice night on the roof. It doesn’t make sense.

[@indigophase]

was about to comment the exact same thing, I can't make sense of it

[@Hinx-Core-G]

Let's wait for the sequel We might get an explanation for this

[@MEGAN0601]

Look i get multiple timelines. But think, alderman was seeing his past self, but both parallel universes run on the exact same timeline. Personally i think they started the game strong and then they threw in the shapeshifter thing which ruined everything for me. I think alternate timelines (more than two) and timeline dopplegangers all fighting over one true timeline wouldve made a better plot. It couldve gone gory, dopplegangers trying to take over the real ones as all the timelines start to collapse. You could get a good ending where you save everyone, and a bad one where all the dopplegangers won. Boom, rewrite it.

[@zoal6752]

You're so right. The shapeshifting thing totally ruined a good plot line. Various versions of everyone over different timelines fighting would have been far more interesting. The ending just didn't make sense here. And also apparently, Max can still rewind time so that just throws away the whole point of this story..

[@EkaterinaPorSuerte]

Yes 👏 like in the black matter!

[@notamberp]

like Jordan Peele’s movie Us! they definitelyyyy dropped the ball with this one

[@AlexisStreams]

I think chapters 4 and 5 would have been much more impactful if chapter 3 ended with Fake Max (Safiya) touching Real Max (Our Max), causing both of them to fall off the cliff and their bodies to disappear. Chapter 4 could then begin with Real Max being transported to Arcadia Bay, which would be a pocket universe created by Safiya. The chapter would alternate between Fake Max and Real Max: Fake Max would use Real Max's body to get revenge on those who wronged her, while Real Max struggles to escape the pocket universe, which is full of strange anomalies. In this universe, Rachel is alive, Chloe and Rachel are dating, and Max is friends with both Chloe and Rachel. Mark Jefferson is still teaching at Blackwell, and Max and Victoria are friends. Something in this pocket universe ignites Real Max's determination to break free, and by the end of chapter 4, Max successfully escapes, surprising Fake Max and everyone else. Chapter 5 would pick up right where chapter 4 left off.

[@srslyerica9843]

It would have made more sense if Safi was the “Max” pointing the gun at the real Max. Because she didn’t like the conflict of Max trying to talk her out of using her powers so much, and she was going on her evil villain trip. Still wouldn’t have made perfect sense, but would have made more sense to me. Especially with Max always saying that she’d take a photo if the world was about to end. It would’ve kind of went full circle, with the real Max taking a picture of SafiMax pointing the gun at her. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@sarahdavis2406]

Agreed, honestly I thought Max being framed is what they were setting up with the shapeshifter reveal. I was like "oooh why is Safi framing Max?" and was excited to delve into what kind of trouble Safi was into or was this a set up to give Max a clue to something bigger or is someone else orchestrating it all. But then it just sort of was a non-event.

[@jdoxmgmt]

I think its the sequel to this its going to come full circle. It all starts with that night and ultimately max will go back to stop Safi before she can go on a tyranical rampage.

[@jaidenoliver7165]

Agreed! I think the next game will at least start and end at Caledon

[@aethernal1379]

Didn't think of that by myself but it does make complete sense and does seem likely. Although, depending on what Max does during the current game, how she spins her relation with Safi towards the end and what she tells her at there, I can very well imagine two possible outcomes: although Safi will certainly go, no matter what, and put together her band of "power people"... she could then be EITHER a Charles Xavier and her band the X-Men (if Max had the right kind of relation to her and said the right things), or a Magneto with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (if Max had a bad relation to hear and said the wrong things). However, the two would then lead to very different developments going forward, so I don't think they could again "respect both outcomes" in a next game, but would then need to choose a canonical direction in which things went.

[@urielvalente4]

​​@@aethernal1379 I don't think Safi has the best intentions either way, so I don't think this problem really exists. I think the only difference is that Max will have to break her promise in the future, if she told Safi that she would go with her. At least I HOPE she realizes that what Safi is doing is wrong. In my perspective, if Max REALLY goes with Safi in the next game, it will make no sense at all. Max would never do that, not after all that she's been through

[@suushiiq3015]

i hope so

[@whis.sensei]

Honestly the whole Safi shooting we see in the beginning I believe was a result of the whole timeline alterations we saw. I believe that the living world is actually the original timeline in the game. I think something caused our Max to somehow slip into the dead world variation when she started getting those headaches. It just seems that time just went out of reason and intersected into that day that Max shot Safi. I mean Maya Okada’s memorial tree aged out of nowhere in the “eye of the storm” sequence. Once everything has merged that tree is still fully grown. It just screams to me that Max and Safi powers were basically in overdrive just like Daniel does in LiS2. Safi isn’t like a true shapeshifter, it’s mental perception that manipulates how people see her. I think Max still has her same rewind powers but either she doesn’t really realize it or just doesn’t want to try. In LiS1 she was able to stop time when witnessing Kate’s suicide. Her jumping thru timelines without needing to travel between pictures seems to be another variant of her rewind powers. For Max it seems that death or grief seems to be her triggers to manifest variations of her powers. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if D9 wants to bring thing back full circle to Arcadia Bay and have Max somehow end back in time during Blackwell to end up saving Chloe and Arcadia Bay by confronting that storm. It would appease both sides of the LiS1 fandom. I actually like Safi but damn no wonder she went rogue because of Yasmin, Lucas, even Gwen and Vinh.

[@MsEdgely]

I like that theory. I'm on board with that one.

[@geography_czek5699]

"It would appease both sides of the LiS1 fandom." I absolutely don´t agree with this statement. It would maybe appease some part of the audience for sure. But for the rest of us who don't just blindly worship Chloe but appreciate the game for its deep meaningg and the live lessons it gives it would completely ruin the whole game.

[@eskrest]

The one question that I have is: Where the hell was the other version of Max all this time? I expected that there is an "Evil Max", or that the "Other Max" is killed by Safi or something like that. But "Other Max" just doesn't exist while "Other Friends" still remember her existing.

[@dime483]

The thing about the picture jumping, we know from the first game that we play as “prime max” and when prime max jumps back in time through photos the prime consciousness takes over the version of her in the photo. After prime max leaves the photo however the original max ego comes back none the wiser, so I think it makes sense that she still kills safi in the end if the future version of max was already intent on doing it. Prime max literally said that there wasn’t enough time, as in she couldn’t get to a place/situation where the other future max ego legitimately can’t shoot safi before she came back to the present.

[@dime483]

Everything else is still a mess though

[@Samellon]

This is exactly how I interpreted it as well.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Deck nine wrote themself into a hole by getting rid of Max's time travel power. So many plot holes could be fixed if she had it or Max can tell Safi she lost the ability when she shot her mom with no remorse. Max just says a bunch of half truth and it becomes disengious. Also I think Safi is another love interest in the future game.

[@artmsangel]

they didnt even explain why she lost them... it could've been so good, if the reason for it was entirely psychological and max needed to accept her past before she can accept herself/her powers again... I CAN COME UP WITH BETTER WRITING IN 5 SECONDS

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@artmsangel yes if they had a spiderman 2 arc it would make sense

[@DaveLH]

@@artmsangel : I think many of us could -- I'm not going to be a bit surprised if we see an avalanche of new fanfics that resolve everything (including getting her back together with Chloe) that are going to be vastly better than this game.

[@aurorasdrawingcorner]

​@artmsangel they explained it by saying her power atrophied, like a muscle that hasn't been moved in years. It's not unlikely that she could get them back with enough training

[@artmsangel]

@@aurorasdrawingcorner im sure but imo it wouldnt make for a very interesting plotline if there wasn't a psychological element to it

[@ethandavide6068]

Hey! So I watched this video and your other one because something with the game and the paradox didn't sit right with me. So, I replayed the game keeping what you said in mind and what I know and I have a theory. It's long, so please bear with me! Ok, I'm first starting with Safi's death/lead up to it. First thing I want to point out is while watching the comets, you can distinctly see two of them cross paths (pointed out by moses) that definitely reflects timelines crossing. Then, we take a picture and a headache starts. bla bla bla cut forward to when we are going up to the overlook to get to Safi. Just before we hear the gunshot, there is some shimmering disturbance in front of us. The visuals look a lot like how we used to rewind time. Then the gunshot goes off. Then we see Safi. My theory, is the gunshot that happened was something in another timeline crossing over. Probably not revolutionary, but allow me to continue. Cut to the point when Max gets the photo of her shooting Safi. She is unable to put herself in the photo without great deal of concentration and effort. Now Max blames the fact that she can't do it due to the fact that she hasn't done it in a while. I propose another thing: She can't do it because it isn't Max. It's Safi, shooting Safi. Maybe when the timelines crossed Safi shot herself for a multitude of reasons. Self loathing for what she has done, maybe to get back at Max for refusing her, or maybe it's something with what she experienced in the storm. Some distorted reality she had to go through. This definitely has some holes though. What happened to our Safi on the phone? Perhaps she got transported to the other timeline and they sorta, swapped? Or maybe Diamond has the same power as Safi and it was Diamon who shot Safi, then our Safi went to their timeline? It's all confusing and you can probably do a better job than I.

[@cady3401]

I like this theory a lot!!!

[@peacheskeen4284]

Love this! Just another thought about the gunshot, if we go with something crossing over from the other timeline. Max could have shifted timelines when Safi was holding Yasmin at gunpoint, and that let the bullet meant for Yasmin go through and hit our Safi.

[@geography_czek5699]

The thing about shapeshifted Safi shooting herself crossed my mind too. But I don´t really have a good explanation for why would she shapeshift for it. Maybe to intentionally put the blame on her? To take revenge for Max not trusting her? That would explain why she took the photo. But how is it even possible that the photo traveled back in time like that? Or maybe Diamond plays some big role in this and her powers would make it make sense. Maybe she can clone people so that would explain why there are two Safi´s shooting each other. Or she is now the person who can rewind time instead of Max who lost those powers. And she somehow messed up the timeline in the future as Max did in the first game and Safi is trying to kill herself (with the help of Diamond) to end it all. I don´t know... The plot seems so broken right now that whatever explanation I can think of doesn´t make sense for this or that reason. Including more than one person with powers really makes it too much complicated in my opinion.

[@geography_czek5699]

@@peacheskeen4284 This would make sense as well. But I think there is one problem with it. If I am not mistaken, Safi shot in an opposite direction. So Safi would either have to be able to move herselfe over to the bench she was sitting on at the begging or the bullet would somehow need to change its trajectory. The thing that really makes no sense to me is that the detective (police) should have been able to at least trace the type of gun she was killed by (by the bullet). Which would leed Alderman to Lucas as the main suspect not Max. And I have no Idea how this things works, but would really the police keep the body lying there for two days?

[@smcd6101]

Oooh that’s intriguing!! Love it!! 👏

[@ariskye165]

Its a good game that had so much potential but everything they added just didnt link up which it made a mess and made the game confusing and filled with plot holes

[@koolkat7618]

What you described isn't a good game lol

[@franciscolubota3699]

​@@koolkat7618maybe what he ment was that they had some good ideas they just didnt use them well

[@ariskye165]

@@franciscolubota3699 correct

[@Hinx-Core-G]

Let's wait for the sequel We might get all the answers there

[@ariskye165]

@ lets hope we do

[@LoveSeeker81392]

My assumption is we are wrong about the storm. Max didn't cause the storm in Arcadia Bay, someone else has the power to create that storm, and it simply has a correlation with Max's power. Max even calls it a time vortex. When you travel into the photo, the storm was caused by someone else, based off of your actions up to that moment. Diamond for example has powers. We never learn what her power is, and she been around the entire game. We don't learn about it until the game ends. There could be a 3rd party causing the storm, that we never met. Overall the story as a whole currently makes no sense.. Theres tons of problems. How did Max get the gun. The gun Lucas had, that you give to Safi. The gun she would never have without all the changes since the moment Safi died to begin with. Max never had a gun and could never get a gun. She would never be able to travel back in time to shoot safi with a gun from the future without the photo, which Max didn't even knlw she could still do, and only learned she could after Safi died. Literally everyting past the comet asteroid shower scene on rooftop makes 0 sense. This game shouldn't exist. The only way it could exist is if someone else killed Safi, pretending to be Max, and its a shapeshifter. Even that breaks when Max enters photo.

[@alsenar2]

I personally enjoyed the game but, like many others in this comment section, i would have liked an explanation for why one version of Max kills Safi. What made her do it? What happened in that timeline that made Max shot Safi?

[@lushdontu4015]

Safi is evil

[@ghostchasewrestling]

Maybe a game in the future depicts max vs Safi And later on and Max then maybe gets her picture jumping power back in full storm (pun inteded) and she jumps back to that very moment to actually kill safi and maybe even kill her past self which ends Max herself in a thanos snap type of way since now we dont know if Max replaces herself in the past now like how she did in the first game. Im just spit balling but thats how i would do it.

[@masesero2150]

why does safi even brings Maya in this situation, it's so misleading.

[@VillainArcSic]

Lol, that's the point. For it to be misleading..

[@legomurderbears]

Because Safi finds out that Maya had powers just like them

[@splashgamer7027]

@@legomurderbearshow and when did that happen?

[@geography_czek5699]

@@legomurderbears Didn´t she said she thought she was the only one before she met Max?

[@Kingdom850]

@@legomurderbears You gonna answer, bro?

[@crazymammoth]

the only way the Narrative works is that: A version of Safi did die, that happened, issue tho is who killed her thus the talking Owl in Chapter 5 asks "Who killed her" you fused the timelines but a version of Safi still died, I think what we are seeing at that event is a Max and Safi from the future or at the end of the next game, thats only way we can explain Safi's outlook and change at the situation "Shoot Max you have too its already happened" I think we are witnessing parts of Max's personal timeline that have not happened to her and the dead Safi yet.

[@miqseregg8538]

9:19 I don't understand how the fence just disappeared..

[@beepboopitsjoop4678]

ahahahah

[@serenavanderwoodsen3522]

Tornado took it😅

[@GodfathersGhost]

There's no indication in the picture that Max fired the gun. That's not to say she doesn't after the pic is taken, but it has not been as of Safi taking the pic. Not yet sure about the timeline/sequence of events with the chapter 3 photo jump a nd whatnot, but so far, I've only had time for one playthrough, so... As for the other stuff that's not quite making sense yet (such as Aldermen being "yeeted out of existence," the flowers that bloomed in the shape of Safi's body, etc.), I suspect it will be addressed, at least to a certain extent, in the next game. Remember, one of the things Max emphasizes is that she "feels" that there is "something" about the overlook area itself. All of the previous games (BTS excluded) had the person with powers obtain them in the same geographical region (the Pacific NW), and around the same time. Like an event took place that "gifted" them to Max, Daniel, Alex, and maybe more (even if they didn't necessarily "discover" them right away). Early on when everyone was speculating on DE having someone else with powers, I suspected (even if just my own head canon) that there was a second event that granted powers to some people. Maybe the overlook is the new epicenter? I guess if we knew more about Safi's earlier years we could say, though Yasmin's diplomas are all from Caledon and New England area universities, so presumably Safi grew up in the region. I know there's a LOT of controversy about how D9 wrote DE, but rumour has it that they already started development on the follow-up before DE was done (not to mention them literally saying there's another coming at the end of DE), so I would suspect that they were writing DE and the next together, or close to it, so have plans for these things already, which might explain why no explanation was given for Alderman or the flowers yet, other than Max's comments about them and the overlook. And BTW, I haven't yet seen anyone talking about Max's comment about Chloe at the end. Could they have had a Chloe reunion planned, but wanted her out of the way for now for plot purposes? Or it was a last minute "oh shit, they hate us now" add, so they can say she'll be back in the next? I only shipped Amanda for now, but the end left it pretty vague with them, so it would be pretty easy to bring Chloe back without complication.

[@sekk1229]

I dont think we have seen everything yet. That theres an original time-line seen through the Polaroids we find and that time-line holds the true inciting incident that makes ot max time skip to kill safi.

[@DeathsAvarice]

The reason the storm is still there is because despite Max saying it's her storm, it's not, it's Safi's because she lost control of her powers. At the time of episode 1 with her dying she was in control, but by the time the storm happened in game and we see it, Safi had lost control, and Safi followed Max when she went back through the picture so the storm also did. How the Safi we knew did that? I don't actually think they covered that entirely outside of the timelines being fully linked with each other.

[@mattstansbeary3068]

It's Ep 3 ,Ep4 Then go Back to Ep1 then onward to Ep2 & Then Ep5. Pass Safi goes to the Living World & Acts Weird when Max Shows up even though she talk to Max the Night Before? Then Events of Ep 2 Happen then Ep3 & Ep 4 then Back to Ep1 & Safi is Found Dead. But Max Changes it so Ep 5 Happens by not killing Safi.

[@AniArkks]

I think the idea was either Mac used her shifting (pushing things through timelines ability or safi just traveled through max consciousness like every one else since the world are combining

[@ElasticGoblin]

That's dumb. The storm wasn't connected to powerful people it was connected to the fact that max was destroying Time and messing with the natural order of time itself. They ruined story

[@geography_czek5699]

@@ElasticGoblin Yup, that is also the reason why there is no such storm in LiS 2 and 3. It is tied to the time travel paradox.

[@nuggetstew4380]

Ending felt like a convoluted mess

[@shadowknight2500]

here is the thing, The photo is not from the day of the incident (december 4, 2023) but from a distant future, like 6 to 11 months in the future. This is because the gun Max acquires from Lucas has a yellow grip, while the gun Max uses in the photo jump is fully black/silver. identical to the one Vincent dropped while being absorbed by the time vortex. further more, the crime scene has flowers bloomed in the shape of the safi's body. The whole premise happens in december, and the earliest a flower can bloom in that terrain is in January. so, theoretically Safi in the photo jump is someone who started her journey in the combined world and found the answers she was looking for, and in the process hurt a lot of people, all the while uncovering secrets that were hidden from her. Which only broke her even more. The strom ended when both worlds were combined into one, but if another new and stronger storm is created in this combined world there will be nothing to stop it. My theory is that the photo is taken in the combined world almost 11 months into the future, where another storm is formed. Max who lost her pulsing powers after merging both worlds has no way of stopping the storm. Safi who in search for others like max and herself founded the secrets about project Remnent (WIP) knows that the only way to boost/revive Max's power is to recreate the event that triggered it in the first place (her death). Therefore she is reciting and recereating everything she remembers and knows about the day from the photo. And in this case Max does not have a choice to choose the alternative and has to pull the trigger to create a loop and buy more time, thats the reason as to why she is crying.

[@kjh23gk]

So we will have to wait until the end of the 1st phase of the Max Cinematic Universe to get the resolution? 🤡

[@shadowknight2500]

@@kjh23gk But isn't that exciting. Till now we saw each installment as a standalone story with its own unique ending based on the players choices. Now we can explore the story with multiple protangonist, each one having a different motive and view contributing towards a different ending and the final story will be decided based on the individuals choices and outcome.

[@jaidenoliver7165]

​@@shadowknight2500I love how it's part of a bigger story now! If anything the choices mean a lot more now they can impact the story potentially years later

[@URLlost]

Maybe what you're saying is true and they actually thought about stuff, but why does the timelines combine with the characters having memories of both timelines(I assume since vihn and amanda stuff) and how did max manage to do that just from deciding to "face her fears" entering the storm(combined powers with safi? lol). Why was alderman erased if timelines got combined and why did that thing with alderman happened in the first place? And when was max able to get his gun since it was never shown ever being dropped? There's SO MUCH STUFF going on that wasn't explained, and for the first time ever, you're the only one giving me a plausible theory from everything I hear, but yet it seems so badly constructed.

[@shadowknight2500]

@@URLlost i call this the Triangle theory. The theory states that when someone travels back in time and creates a paradox, they will not only erase the original timeline, but will also create a loop starting from a new timeline that will set a number of events in motion which will ultimatley lead them back to origin point of the loop. Those whose life are drastically affected by the paradox will retain some of the memories of the original timeline, which will ultimately lead them to follow the life they were suppose to live in the original timeline.

[@edits15054]

honestly for me this one was a let down compared to LIS1

[@kairizeeshoopuf]

@@edits15054 Nothing will be like the OG 🤷‍♀️

[@ElasticGoblin]

​@@kairizeeshoopuf not even like the og this game was worse than true colors imo. True colors was bad but at least was interesting and felt like life is strange.

[@adampickard9685]

Same I'm tierd of being attacked cuz I found double exposure disappointing it's not the worst game ever but it's a disappointing life is strange game to me

[@wickdaline8668]

What comes next for LIS will either make me like DE more or make me like it less.

[@cultman5296]

time travel in any game film or show is confusing. never think too deeply about it bc it will never make full sense. it can't make sense.

[@cyzaki1995]

I think the picture of her with the gun was bleed-through from another timeline, like all the poloroids we find. So she didn't go back to the original Safi death, she went to the timeline with the storm. We also know there's at least one more timeline where the poloroids come from, I think?

[@aethernal1379]

Maybe the key is the fact that Max hasn't used her original power since the events of the first game, so it atrophied/morphed into what she can do in the current one, and we saw that even though she could still do the photo thing, it was much shorter, weaker and more uncertain than in the first game, SO HERE, her time travel broke reality in a different way than before, by creating these two separate timelines (both complete and whole, existing, living and going on parallel to each other, as opposed to the first game, where, as you said, the alternatives were sort of encapsulated and isolated, focused on individual moments, so not really complete, whole and running in parallel like here, but really being the same ONE all along, just shifting and morphing in response as Max keeps altering it, maybe just growing branches here and there, but then reabsorbing them again) - and the fact that there ARE two different timelines is enough to PREVENT the ripple effect BECAUSE there is one timeline for each: where she does and where she doesn't kill her, so there's no need for any rippling, because both choices, both versions ARE already accounted for and handled. And in the end, as the two recombine again, it does happen in a messy way, with people having memories of both versions of themselves, so the messiness sort of "replaces" or "resolves" the paradox of why the entire splitting off of timelines has happened in the first place, when in the end she didn't kill her after all - well, it was messy, it happened and it didn't, there was a split and there wasn't. So basically, the entire story is one big Schrödinger's cat in the closed box all along, where in the end we simply happen to find the cat alive when we open the box, but we also remember it being dead. (In theory, I suppose, it could have been the other way too, with things still being messy even then.)

[@AniArkks]

I think it's just portly implied she still kills her and that safi knew if the other timeline because of the sotorm. In my playthrough safi tells max in chapter 3 or 4 that hey aren't cursed and their powers are like blessings and all he safi in the photo says maybe me ; you and maya are cursed. So it's implied that Max still kills her and they just messed up the photo (in production) or that's her killing alternate safi.

[@slevemcdichael101]

It's time the photo isn't of a memory, it is a potential future that can change. That's why it's not a contained area. Max hasn't experienced it. Also, the first game doesn't even care about the rules. The first time that she time travels in the game it's so much different from every other time that she time travels. Her powers have never been consistent

[@Young_Wrath]

I think its like spiderman across the spiderverse, where we just have to wait on the next game/movie for it to come full circle yk and you cant really call it bad since the story isn’t over yet. I’m sure the alderman thing will 100% come back in the next game and we’ll get more information cuz right now we’re trying to put a puzzle together and we don’t even have all the pieces and neither does max and we’re playing from HER perspective, so it’s better to wait than to hate on the decisions. The sequel to this will 100% come back full circle and make everything make more sense.

[@jaidenoliver7165]

Exactly! There are mutliple loose ends in this game and we know it was written as one part of a larger story. I trust the writers at Decknine have intention behind everything. Just gives us ideas to create theories around while we wait for the next one!

[@madelynwallis7015]

@@jaidenoliver7165 I feel like we all tried to cope the same way when we thought that chloe might show up in the game - yet was still met with disappointment

[@effmltalks]

If they have writers that clever I will be SHOCKED. I doubt they do.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Safi i think had a mental breakdown again after the timeline merged either that or her powers gave her a god complex like savitar in the flash. Maybe in the next game. We will get the answers to why Other Max kills Safi. However I hate that the storm is now a thing that is tied into Max's power instead of it being a natural disaster that occurs. Or maybe I just hate how deck nine implemented it.

[@hajimesenpai7996]

This is actually an interesting thought!!!! I agree with this!!!!

[@Michele-o7b]

I feel that Max was only able to put herself into the past timeline for a few minutes, not enough to effect any changes to that timeline. I also feel that Max returned to the past timeline not only to find out what happened, but to stop it from happening, However, Max’s acions were complicated by Safi’s powers of mind comtrol. While Safi’s primary power is in shapeshifting, she does so by locking into the minds of her targets. This gives her the secondary power of mind control. Safi was controlling Max so that Max would shoot her. Max was unable to break free from Safi’s mind control; the energy she spent in trying to break free actually knocked her out of the past and back into the present. After that, she was unable to return to that past moment in time. She had exerted too much energy both in traveling to the past and breaking free of Safi’s mind control. This is why we see her collapse onto the kitchen floor; she’s depleted.

[@txmclips7289]

Max is not omnipresent (this was confirmed way back in the first game when she has a whole convo with a version of herself from a different timeline) The Max holding the gun in that photo is an entirely different person from the Max that jumped into the photo. This is a consistent thing that has existed since the first game. For example, Vortex Club Max that existed in "handicapped Chloe" world is disrespectful to her parents in her text messages and lets Victoria Chase of all people call her Maxine, but the moment she jumps into that timeline she becomes the Max we are familiar with. To believe that "gun" Max from the photo would proceed to shoot Safi after OG Max gets forced out of the memory is not all that far fetched if you consider how different timelines work in Life is Strange. By the games' consistent logic, the moment OG Max is pulled out of the memory "gun" Max would turn back into whatever personality she had prior to the interruption.

[@italiangamerjoe7501]

8:26 that is a really good point, I’m not sure. I’m still in the middle of your video so I’m still hearing your commentary. I loved Deck Nine’s version of the game. I am going with your original theory that Max just didn’t have enough time to make a decision, and so the timeline sort of stayed the same. Max describes her experience doing that as “flexing an atrophied muscle”. So maybe max just not only didn’t have enough time, but also she didn’t have the power to make the change? 😅 The game also pushes the idea of Schrödinger’s cat of safi being alive and dead at the same time, so maybe they were just going along with that theme. Also, I have a theory (which I can’t prove) but I’m suspicious that Diamond is the owl. 😂

[@Bodertz]

The way the photo jumps worked in the first game is that current!Max would inhabit photo!Max's body for a while, but then photo!Max would take over again with no memory of it when current!Max left. If it follows the same rules here, photo!Max could just shoot her right after current!Max left, since that was her plan to begin with. But I really don't know if that makes the timeline make any more sense.

[@tbspromotions]

10:51 well her powers were dormant for years....youre assume her pass powers are actually still up to standard...

[@igorpolyakov4113]

She did and she didn't I guess. My theory is that since we already know that another Max was in play in another timeline (the Polaroids you find are apparently taken by another Max that I can only assume is in the OTHER Timeline that you constantly leave, be it Dead or Living), we have to assume that she may or may not have been involved. From the beginning, Max is following Safi up the hill. She hears a gunshot, but she's obviously NOT present at the overlook herself. When she finds Safi, Safi has already been shot. We have to assume that perhaps the two timelines were in place BEFORE she even got to Safi or the overlook. And perhaps the OTHER Max had already followed Safi up the hill. The only problem is that there's no indication that either one would have had a gun on their person. But what it DOES set up is the ability for a FUTURE Max to have rewinded to that point to perhaps kill Safi because of what she does in the future. Considering how the game ends, and how Safi comes off as egotistical and with a God-complex, it's not hard to see why killing her might be "necessary". But unfortunately, we have to assume that THAT particular mystery would be solved in the sequel that they're planning. Basically, the main question and the answer to it was never going to be answered in THIS game, but the following one.

[@elikri9265]

@Podcast Now i think that was more a vision, like her dreams of the storm. Remember, her powers have atrophied and changed (which i think may be a directly connected to safi; more specifically her shapshifting max the first time, as its implied she leaves a piece of herself in the people she shapeshifts too) i also think the storm isnt caused by max, at least entirely, but mostly from safi's breakdown and her powers go out of control. Also, i think dimaond may have something to do with the events going weird.. as everyones powers emerge as teenagers and/or in highschool.

[@jingle_pomidor]

I think it’s not the first universe that they are in. The first one was in those Polaroids that we find everywhere, no one dies and then Safi finds out the truth and the first storm happens. Then, I think, max kills her or not and it splits universe in the two and then it brings us to the beginning of the game. Kinda complicated

[@jingle_pomidor]

Still, I don’t understand why there is only one Max in all those universes

[@NotAgnor]

When Max blacks out and leaves the photo, automax shoots safi

[@kamishorts999]

even if thats the case, then WHY?? why do we have to wait for a sequel for all of these holes to be filled? its gonna be almost 2 years until we get the answers

[@NotAgnor]

@ all the questions were answered, I haven’t seen any plot holes yet. Why does automax do anything? She did it to stop the town getting destoyed & Yasmin getting shot, but that changed in chapter 5 when Max later decided not to choose and entered the storm

[@SlightlyUnderAverage]

Also what I don’t get it: Episode 1 Max comes back to kill Safi from the future. This seemingly makes a timeline branch where Safi is dead and we get the split. However, when Max goes back to kill her in episode 5, the “living worlds” would have been different. In the timeline when Max first goes back, the events of the game wouldn’t have happened (ie Max solving what happened to Maya, they wouldn’t have taken revenge and Safi wouldn’t have found out about her Mom, causing her to lose control of powers, causing Max to have to go back in time and already kill her). The logic in this game seems off in so many ways, unless I’m misunderstanding

[@DEmeant0r]

Time travel where there's no alternate universes is easy to write. Alternate timelines where there's also an element of time travel is a story-writing disaster waiting to happen. Why didn't they just keep with the time travel element?

[@Samellon]

I think the reason why this is confusing is because the game doesn't fully define what happens to other versions of Max when she time travels. She seemingly retains the memories of all her time travel, but Safi's murder happened both in Max's future and past at the same time (for most of the game). Because Safi dies at the start of the game, but is killed by future Max. We only ever see one Max going through all of this, while everyone else experiences only one time, one timeline. We learned that she disappears in one timeline when she travels to the other, but how does it work when she time travels? Does she essentially "become" that time version of Max from wherever she travels? And then what happens if she travels to a point where future Max did something current Max doesn't have memory of yet? She doesn't seem to get future Max's memories, so does she temporarily displace her? I think the way I would explain it is this: so future Max kills Safi in the past, meaning that when Max finds that photo of herself with a gun, she doesn't know WHY she does it yet. When she goes into that photo, you could argue that she's traveling into her own future instead of the past (or kind of, both at the same time?). So she's temporarily displacing future Max that has the right knowledge until she blacks out, and then future Max with the right knowledge takes over again and shoots Safi. That is, until current Max BECOMES future Max and chooses to make a different decision than previous future Max. But, as this isn't really defined, it remains up to interpretation :D

[@savagefamily0220]

Anyone else notice a lot of things that said "this action will have consequences" but never saw anything that seemed relevant later? And at one point, I was saying how Moses is in on the plan, but I didn't know what the plan was? Then I went to the other timeline and explained it to him (and me for the first time) then at the very end, she talks to everyone as if they already know what is going on, Gwen even comments will she ever know more and Max is like no. and then a minute later, she starts some meeting to explain things... No explanation where the storm went. Or where Safi went. And why did Max still like Safi after everything? Why weren't there options to be upset with her. She treated her like they were still BFF until the last decision. So saying no made absolutely no sense, since there was no options leading up to it, where Max was even a tiny bit angry or doubtful of their friendship.

[@cicik57]

There must be at least one timeline "before" events in DE, because with foto-jumps, that MUST start with unchanged timeline. Where seems Safi still gets out of control. Probably because she starts to investigate her book canceling thing in the unchanged timeline and looses control, but later then it has happened in DE. Max in ep 3 does not stops possible murder, since she does nothing and then the past Max is back, who can still shoot Safi. The Safi alive timeline we see is the version changed by the Max's ability of travel between timelines, what leads to Safi gets out of control. But it is causality loop, what is not possible in LiS world, so there must be "at least one timeline "before" events in DE" as i wrote. And yes, foto-jump rules are broken anyway. Very sad, D9, cause technically it is worse then Max and Chloe breakup.

[@JanuaryB6647]

I feel like Alderman went some where. And I personally think he will be the big bad in the next game. Maybe a villain figure that despises super powered people lol. This is where in my head it gets pretty X-Men.

[@abnormalsaniaa]

Here’s something I feel like some people need to remember or understand. The timeline in which Max shoots Safi is set in the future. We don’t actually have a frame of reference for this because in the first game Max never has access to a photo from an alternate timeline thats set days before her. To simplify: in LIS1 Max is going back in time through the pictures. In this specific instance in DE Max in jumping FORWARDS in time which is the first time we have ever seen this and is likely why it’s different. I still don’t think it explains everything nor do I think that one difference should justify this scene. I have so many questions and people can make their own theories based on that information but the main thing I’m confused about is the “living” timeline. If you think about it, it’s completely random! From my understanding OG Safi and the dead safi that gets shot in the future swapped places? So if the timelines got split from that why would we not be traveling between that future timeline and the og one. What’s the point of having us travel through the og one and a completely random timeline and then never mentioning or really interacting with the future one besides this one scene? Idk if that makes sense. This game left me questioning so much.

[@Sparky6Voltz]

I assume the storm being in chapter 3 but not 1 is because chapter 1 is the unaltered timeline where powers aren't being used as often by Safi and at all by Max. Chapter 3 has heavier power usage and comes from new timeline coming from interference... I think??? That's how I rationalized it at least

[@JenMistress]

I just finished the game myself a little bit ago, came across this when I was trying to find alternate endings, out of curiosity. My theory on what you were talking about, there was never a time in that timeline that Max didn't shoot Safi, even when she went into the photo, she wasn't in there long enough to change anything, that timeline never changes until Max reaches that moment itself, in which Max changes it by throwing the gun into the storm. Thus destroying that timeline, and kinda feel like that was when the timelines started to merging together. After all, Max isn't a killer, she always would have been reluctant to do so, but once she got there herself she figured out, maybe throw away that might work. That's my thoughts on it anyways.

[@tbspromotions]

Why does no one like to mention that Moses found out that, no one actually called him the cop. The station didn't even know about him

[@boines]

from what i get is there's a few timelines 1 without storm 1 with etc and 4 splits at least. When timelines combine ish your question in mostly answered but still leaves gaps i believe.

[@bunnysammy_]

So much about the murder mystery feels unanswered by the end. It's actually really frustrating. Which is a shame because I was really enjoying the game until the very end

[@Majeika1976]

I just assumed that in the photo part of going to Safi, then we don't know if Max shoots or not. Then the bit we actually change the outcome is in Chapter 5. What worries me more is there should be a 2nd Max somewhere, and where did she go, she's doesn't have the double version that others see at the end of chapter 5.

[@RJFlute]

I'm still confused as to what caused the storm this time. Max's timeline jumping didn't distort time, she just popped between 2 timelines, except for when she photo-travelled. Instances of photo-travel in LiS 1 seem to indicate photo-travel is relatively benign. How did Safi's shapeshifting influence the storm? It seems to be a localized perception filter, rather than a global effect. What caused the timelines to merge and collapse together? There doesn't seem to be an inciting event for the timestream merge.

[@caitlynl7213]

no fr bc shes not actually shapeshifting. shes making me see something that she wants them to see. its a trick of the mind. so how did that make a storm?

[@nobitanobi-io7cc]

TBH we still don't know what actually happened at the overlook in between safi turned left and disappeared out of max's sight and max reached the overlook and found safi's body. If they ever release a sequel to it they may clarify this

[@crystalrodriguez556]

Did sofi really create the storm?. She's been shape shifting for a while , no storm, max comes in and uses this new power, even the rewind near the end with the picture and then storm appears, a guy literally gets deleted

[@geral5512]

My theory on this is that maybe this is supposed to be the endgame scene for the whole series of LiS games. Like imagine the very last game, where Max has to decide to finish Safi for good, so she could technically go back to this very moment and kill her, before any of the avengers bullshit starts. So basically this could be foreshadowing for the end of their story, and that could explain why Max doesn't hesitate to kill Safi. To be clear, I would hate if they did this lol but it's a little theory

[@kazuhe1]

nosebleeds being a common theme of powers doesnt make sense, and neither does storms. i dont wanna write it off as it depending on the person-- or maybe deck nine just forgot about life is strange 2. this storm however does make slight sense to me and ill explain why. at the outlook the tornado can be seen with yellow and blue particles swirling around, just like the gateway colors to the different timelines. (blue=dead yellow=living) max is still technically abusing her power as she did in the first game, which resulted in the storm. however, lakeport is bigger than arcadia bay i think. and this tornado seemed much larger. maybe the tornado was a result of max and safi abusing their powers-- though perhaps safi's rage just made the tornado bigger and bigger.

[@specie8470]

Why were the flowers were Safi's body was this was never explained. Why did Max find all these polaroid's from a third timeline?

[@user-qh1gs6wg5e]

That is SO TRUEEE! like she traveled back in time and DID NOT shoot her, HOW did that not change ANYTHING.. i am literally so disappointed in this game because i was exited even until chapter 3 Because life if strange is a special game for me

[@xsetjinx1785]

As someone who's already completed two walk throughs and are probably going to do a third one today, I understand where you're and everyone else is confused but to understand it or the way I understand it at least is you have to look at ending of chapter 5 first where Moses talking about having both moses' in his head that is the biggest key that everyone is over looking but before I add onto that we have to go back to chaper 3 and to this point where your confused so dead world max goes through the picture and doesn't shoot safi but again this is where we have to go back to what moses said two of you in the same head so dead world max has control of that moment until she blacks out and future max kills dead world safi as that safi will always die. Now before anyone starts typing out the counterargument of the minds, only come together when the universes combine you are right, but you are also wrong. Let's go back to chapter 5 when Max is in the storm and everyone is under control of safi or freaking out except from safi and Max, and they talk about it max may not have been affected because of her powers and here is where player number 3 comes into play diamond another with power and another that didn't get affected by the storm but we'll put a pin it that as we're going down a different topic.

[@Zeroninja-j5c]

Honestly as much as I love Max they should have went with someone new or have max as a side character.

[@BoyInGreyWasTaken]

@@kjh23gkso real, these new fans that came after True Colors are always complaining about the lack of Max & Chloe, they just want a fanfic game of them having fun time in bed together and saying cringe millennial stuff

[@bluz374]

Literally like ACTUALLY. If max was replaced by someone new with developing powers, nothing will change. Since the murder mystery doesn’t matter past ch 3, if they led with Safi being this “tyrant” for others with powers in the start or at least ch 2. I GUESS it will worked fine??? that’s my pitch after they ruined the whole coming of age idea with different stories to a whole continuous story about finding how these powers work and all that buzz.

[@Zeroninja-j5c]

@@bluz374 oh right they were coming of age stories but max already told her story so it’s dumb for her to come back.

[@edenEDEN839]

like clemintime in a new fronteir

[@geography_czek5699]

@@kjh23gk I don´t know. I think that those people are just a loud minority. I enjoyed all three games (+BTS) and never really wanted any full sequel with Max as the main character.

[@KimberlySchwartz1]

Sooooo many questions at the end. Which max killed safi? Where is that max now? What happened to alderman and why didn’t that ever happen again? Why was there a past alderman? What reality was making those Polaroids we kept finding? There are SO many questions.

[@paulomodus1094]

I think that the fact that max didn't shoot safi doesn't change her future it is because it changes the future of the original max who did it, because she was the one in the photo, I don't know if that makes sense but it's what seems most logical to me.

[@dammxxz7185]

What I believe that timeline a future max has gone into the past feeling like she had nothing to do but to stop her so went back to time to when maybe she confronted safi about phone call her not dying there but due to her doing it her self she experiences it causing a time rift or just timelines

[@dammxxz7185]

And timeline b is what future max experienced with the difference with max knowing bit of what future max did so at the end it changes due to timeline a future maxs actions

[@dammxxz7185]

Tbh it still doesn’t make sense but it best my brain could do

[@CountZurgula]

Honestly, my biggest question in this game is like, where exactly does this plot even start? We see safi get shot at the beginning of the game by another max. Is this the same max from the future that kills her at the end of the game during a storm? And if so, how does max shooting her days in the future in that spot at the end of the game also cause her to get shot at the beginning when she's on the phone? Like does shooting her somehow also cause max to go back in time to the past and shoot her there too causing the split in the timeline? And if so why? I'm genuinely asking, like that whole thing confuses me. If she shoots her in the future at the end during the storm and that also causes her to get shot in the past by max then I think creatively they should have put an option to shoot safi in that end part of the game instead of throwing the gun. So the timeline can split and essentially cause the beginning of the game to happen until a version of max throws the gun and the cycle breaks (basically next time you play, you can break the cycle and throw the gun and get the rest of the ending) it would be a cool 2nd early ending and help explain the loop IF that is correct and I'm understanding this game right lol, I'm honestly not sure anymore.

[@Maketheworldmakesense14]

Also yes when max didn’t shoot Safi in the photo it should have changed the timeline. Idk why/how DeckNine screwed up this bad.

[@natec-v7406]

Questions will most likely be answered in the coming sequel though I think that when max travelled back through the photo and didn’t shoot Safi. That causes the rift. As seen in the first game she changed the past and created a new present but this time she can travel between the two. This is all collected into a time loop which max ultimately breaks at the end when she takes safi into the storm instead of shooting her or not. When questioning how the powers work in this game you have to take a pinch of salt with it as the point is there is no explanation only actions and consequences

[@patdawg1980]

What i don't understand is that when safi was shot, she was just shot dead. And the alive world safi is a different safi. So how does it make sense for max to shoot safi when it's not even the same safi?

[@cady3401]

I'm with you - it doesn't make sense. My biggest issue is the creating of the narrative that walking into the storm and doing whatever they did allows her to keep both and not choose like in LIS 1. It takes away the significance of the ending of the first game, or changes it entirely I guess. You either killed Chloe or killed a whole town and now we are saying that wasn't necessary.... but how? why? And the ending indicates that Max now has this closure, but wouldn't she (with the realization that she's lived her entire adult life struggling with her actions & decisions) now realizing she didn't HAVE to choose absolutely decimate her? I don't get it. Additionally, chapters 1-2 were SO much longer than 3-5, this leads me to believe this was rushed out and there was likely a lot more content that might've made any of this make more sense that didn't make it. Perhaps. None of the choices actually change the ending or story all that much, its really unsatisfying and misaligned from the rest of the series.

[@FallenGemini]

I think the world does break with the tornado actually destroying the school. However, Max was able to save EVERYONE by being in the eye of the storm. It is probably why one of the regrets Max says about the Arcadia Bay storm in chapter 4 or 5 is not saving more people. I am aware this is a stupid and messy reasoning about the storm in DE but I think that is how D9 explains it.

[@theliverpoolgamer7837]

I can't fully remember the logic of how photos worked in the first game but is there no alteration because Max got thrown out in a way out of that moment so no meaningful decision was made so nothing changed. Idk im just throwing it out there.

[@deathscythe9158]

The story is full of plot holes. For example, What happened to the Max from the parallel timeline? Did they merge like the timelines at the end of the game? They never truly explain what happened when Safi was killed. They just took the easy way out and merged the timelines to revive Safi. Also, Moses seems like such a waste. He’s a physicist! I was expecting him and Max coming up with a bunch of theories or hypotheses about what’s going on. Maybe try to help Max figure out how to fully regain her time traveling powers so she could rewind to when they took that selfie on the roof to try and save their timeline’s Safi. I loved the first game but this game seems like a rehash of the first game. To make it worse, if you chose that Chloe was still alive they conveniently wrote her off the story instead of giving us a completely different timeline where Chloe at least is part of the story. I’d probably give this game a 6/10 and that’s because I’m a fan of the series. If not, I’d give it a 5.

[@lindenbree9188]

I still assume Max just shot her anyway. If I recall, doesn't the past Max just forget what happened when present Max takes over her body and then leaves? Like, in this case, gun Max is about to shoot Safi. Present Max takes over, asks questions, and leaves. The gun Max doesn't remember present Max taking over her mind. Her last moment of awareness was when she was going to shoot Safi, right before present Max travelled to that scene. So, yeah, she still shoots Safi because why wouldn't she? She was already set on it, and present Max only delayed it a little with a conversation gun Max wasn't aware of As for the photo having the gun already smoking... yeah, I've got nothing

[@patrixx6190]

I would understand if she killed safi because of her "full evil mode". But we haven't seen that yet. It is only implied

[@fruitseekerministry2.0____88]

It was very confusing gameplay

[@black79montecarlo123]

They definitely messed up by making the game. Looked good, but it sucked. I'm not surprised because the last one kinda sucked too. This will be the last time I bother with LIS...

[@unkemptjargon91]

The frustrating part is how unlikable safi is once the mask is off. And yet max is still willing to break the universe to save her.

[@homesweethome9051]

Isn’t there a third timeline where the Polaroids collectibles come from? and that should be the max that could’ve shot safi? It’s just weird that the max we played exists in both living and dead world, where every character exists in both worlds, shouldn’t there be another max in living worlds?

[@mattstansbeary3068]

1, Pass Safi Goes to the Living Timeline 2, Future Safi Goes to The Dead Timeline It is not that Hard if you wonder around the Cafe at the School A Boy is Talking to another Boy about Safi Death (Safi had a Scratch across the Face when they found the Body) Which Safi doesn't get the Scratch until the Last part of Ep 3 then the Events of Ep4 Happen & then at the End Safi loses Control & a Storm Happens So jump clear to Ep 1 & Safi is Suppose to Die. If your mix up it's EP3, Ep 4, Ep1, Ep2 & then Ep5 Because it's not our Safi that is how they mess it up that's in the Living Timeline. Let me Explain Safi knows us in Both TimeLines but not in that is two Versions of Her But like I said Safi was Found with a Scratch on her Face Dead meaning the Living Timeline Safi then acts like weird when Max Time Jumps. They wanted that part Weird Like I don't Trust you when Really the Normal Timeline Safi should of Knew Max from the Night before. this why it doesn't work.

[@AcAlvin]

One moment safi said pull thr trigger , stop stalling. Then a few more moment later, we are god, we can do whatever we wan. Wyd? What change

[@seanred7681]

I just finished the game, and I love LIS, but the end of the DE story is a mess. In this particular instance, I think Deck Nine threw the photo sequence in for nostalgia. My thought is that when Max jumps into the photo, it delays her actually shooting, but she must shoot after we jump back to our present because as you say, nothing changes in that timeline and Safi is still dead. The thing that annoys me is ultimately none of it natters, but I think that a discussion for your other video.

[@DiiSkins]

Is it possible that this Max is Max from the next game? After Safi has done whatever she plans to do with the other people with powers?

[@artmsangel]

ending SO inconclusive too like wheres chloe ): we dont even get to see a new character model for her... she would've looked so cool

[@NOWAY-q3l]

So, at some point in the future Max actually commits the murder, because as we can see in the game...time is lineal, that´s also why is there no "other Max". Let me explain. So in LiS time was always lineal, no matter what we did in the past, there was only one line and history changed. So my theory is that the combined world will make massive paradox in the next game, so to save the world Max will skip back in time and kill Safi. And no one besides Max will remember combined reality. The "other Max" is future Max.

[@Maketheworldmakesense14]

The only parts I like about this game is the photo feature, Hannah Telle and og references to the game.

[@nerodiseppia99]

Am i the only one that still doesnt get it? So Max from the future travels back to k1ll Safi, okay but why? Still why? And also we NEVER SEE THAT? Safi is asking her to shoot her after she shot her mother but that is WEEKS LATER the actual death of Safi in the main timeline.. so Max never came back in the first place to end her

[@tek87]

She does shoot Safi. Going back in the photo changed nothing.

[@NovaXGamingtm]

It would have been way more interesting to have a polar freeze event or something

[@speedbeyondlogic]

The game did have flaws some confusing some not making any sense. Things not being fully explained and explored. But I personally enjoyed and liked the game and I'm looking forward to the sequel. Maybe the max with the gun might be a plot point in the sequel. Where in one ending you can choose to shoot safi. Max was asked if she could see herself capable of shooting safi. I thought max was going to send the storm into a different timeline. That would've been crazy to see. Max powers are confusing. She lost her rewind powers and ability to jump into pictures. Then she gets new powers and her jumping back into pictures powers comes back but not her rewind powers. And at the end of the game she apparently doesn't have her new powers anymore. Are the devs going to make max like delsin rowe where she can copy and steal powers of others. I know max taken a picture of herself removed safi's last remnants but will max be able to shapeshift now or are they going to keep giving max powers related to time. Like in the next game is she going to have the power to stop time. She showed that in the first game.

[@zenxymes2]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the story was about. It was hella messy!

[@e3vL1]

You know what i don't get? Safis power. She able to shapeshift by making people precieve she's someone else in real time right? How does the gwen security cam video work then?

[@bradcrandall5086]

Alternate timelines.

[@CrashOverride007]

You’re not an idiot lol, trying to make sense of time travel and multiple dimensions in media is just not possible, it never “logics”. IMO since we’re playing from Max’s perspective who will never know all the how’s and what’s that goes on with her powers. We never will either. We just make decisions along the way and hope for the best. The extra fun parts come in rewatching or replaying games/movies etc. on this topic. The first game had very similar reactions when it first came out from people because it didn’t track and there were holes all over the place too. It took years to build up the cult status it enjoys now and people played it over and over to iron out all the theories. This game will have a similar path.

[@Maketheworldmakesense14]

We need official answers from D9!!!