Transformers 3: When PG-13 Pushed Its Limits

Transformers Dark of the Moon was a brutal and oddly depressing ending to the trilogy. But a lot of people today kinda like it, including me. Why? Well I'll sort of answer that.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:02 Transformers 3
03:50 Megan Fox Leaves
07:40 Brutal Violence
10:06 Design of the Robots
11:04 The Plot I Guess
14:18. Conspiracy Part
17:13 Megatron's Plan
18:45 The Part Where the Robots Blow Up
21:36 War Crime Prime

[@PointlessHub]

Apologies if you were watching before. There was a formatting issue I didn't notice and I had to re-upload. Everything was Letterboxed and looked terrible. This aspect ratio is how the video was meant to look. I added Chapters so you can get back to where you were previously watching. Sorry about that.

[@masoncosta480]

ok ill watch it again

[@typhlosion4223]

What did you have to change? i was watching it a while ago and its said it was no longer available

[@CHECKthisvid]

Also, it's Patrick DEMPSEY, not SWAYZE. Swayze died the same year last movie came out.

[@jmaitland5709]

Not gonna lie I thought the awkward widescreen was a meta-joke about the movie's production and I was really confused when there was never a punchline mentioned lol

[@killingtimeonline]

You have proven to care more about aspect ratios than the makers of these movies

[@wolfcat8632]

It's really funny to me that 4 million years of war on cybertron wasn't enough to turn Optimus into a war criminal but after 5 years on Earth he said 'Fuck it' and started executing prisoners and surrendering soldiers

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

Specifically America lol

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Earth'll do that to you

[@richardarriaga6271]

The 4 million years destroyed his civilization, though

[@colbyboucher6391]

I imagine after Cybertron was well and truly dead, he simply lost the patience to see it happen again.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Yep. Humans will do that to you.

[@Harmonmj13]

I still remember when this movie was being filmed here in Chicago. People here were crowding the streets downtown watching all the explosions being filmed and when the film premiered in theatres, every showing in the area cheered when the Decepticons turned our city into a carnival shooting gallery.

[@MrAsianPie]

So you celebrated your city turning into Gary?

[@Harmonmj13]

@@MrAsianPie we just wanted something to alleviate the pain of not having any parts of the Dark Knight Rises filmed here while New York and Pittsburgh took all the spotlight.

[@copaczin3605]

Chicago in the war sequence was just footage of a normal Chicago weekend with cgi robots added in the background.

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

@@copaczin3605 that’s just the trappers n them lol

[@judgedread9724]

With Lori running the city, Chicago IS a warzone right now.

[@ntm4]

Honestly the best part of this film for me was Sentinal using Spock's "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" line but as a villainous excuse instead of a heroic self-sacrifice.

[@neighbourhoodfriendlyman]

Well, didn't Leonard Nimoy voice sentinel? I just found it as a cool callback to his role as spock

[@ntm4]

@@neighbourhoodfriendlyman Yeah, he did, but the context twisted the meaning of the line, which made it better than a simple call-back.

[@edgarduartegutierrez9860]

Wow tbh that line sounds kinda villainous already

[@usedtissuepaper42]

it’s kinda dumb though because there are 8 billion humans and only like 100 Cybertronians

[@jakewheeler6014]

And what's cool is that wasn't in the script Leonard ad libbed it.

[@joeydestructo]

Another PG-13 movie that gets away with brutal violence thanks to the "If it's robots it doesn't count!" rule was Alita: Battle Angel. You had arms in eye sockets, spines ripped out, faces sliced off, and a little dog obliterated just off screen. That movie was wild bro.

[@TH3SHUR1F]

The source material makes the movie look like child’s play.

[@3takoyakis]

It's not blood! It's blue colored! It doesn't count

[@thomasdeen2099]

Pacific Rim got away with it as well with the Kaiju gore, they were literally being mutilated, bisected, and burned yet because they're monsters it still doesn't count lmao

[@michaelccozens]

@deen2099 That's true, but also, as specified in the film, they were literally bespoke alien extermination bio-machines. I don't think they would even have any level of reproductive capability as a group, which makes specifying them as a "species" or even an "animal", as we understand the idea, pretty difficult. Like, animals generally seek to avoid conflict and unnecessary risk and physical violence, if only out of a desire to perpetuate their genes before dying. Seeking-out conflict and violence was all the PR Kaiju did, their own "lives" apparently notwithstanding. They were pretty much just tools, ie. weapons designed to destroy via the weapon's own destruction. They were about as much animals as one of the Robowars contestants or an FPV drone was a sentient AI. So I agree that the violence was pretty graphic and horrific when you think about it, and it was definitely neither received that way by the audience nor intended by the film-makers to be received as such, which I'm sure was a satirical point. It felt a lot different than, say, Godzilla taking a hit in any of the new Monsterverse films, which raises interesting questions like the ones you posited, eg "when is violence "bad", and what makes it feel that way to us, but only sometimes?". The whole movie has a certain Verhoeven feel, but that part in particular, now that you mention it, reminds heavily of the Robocop bit of "ED-209 shooting an exec into paste is funny, Clarence Boddicker's gang doing the same thing to Murphy a few minutes later is soul-crushing". In PR, the audience really has more empathy for damage done to the mechanical Jaegers than the biological Kaijus, which is quite a feat.

[@ItzAsap.]

cry about it

[@spicyshark]

I love how its universally agreed that Optimus is a war criminal in the bay movies

[@jammygamer8961]

Yea while i really want Transformers for a more mature audience (with actual good storys) they wrote Optimus completely out of character a lot of the time in these movies (Yes i understand these films weren't mature but i like that they didn't hold back on the violence)

[@kingslayerx1716]

A justified one

[@michaelkean5969]

@@jammygamer8961 i disagree i feel that intentional or unintentionally they made a more Realistic take on Optimus. the Optimus in the bayfilms feels very much like a Soldier whose been fighting a war for too damn long and he's just over time started to lose who he is and what he's fighting for. he's almost like a deconstruction of the character as opposed to be out of character. he feels very much like what Optimus would turn into if you took the Cybertronian war and put it into a more realistic setting. Optimus is an aspiring hero to the Autobots but he's not this perfect "dad/jesus" bot that does no wrong. he's a different version of Optimus. it's not the first time either that the franchise toyed around with the darker asspects to Prime's character transformers Armada did very much imply that Optimus is very much just as responsible for the war as Megatron is and that he's just as war hungry.

[@justinarzola4584]

He has a good reason, the deceptions act like and look like barbaric monsters in these movies in design and action.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

@@jammygamer8961 Violence doesn't always make something mature though. Hell this movie is a perfect example of the opposite happening. Too much unnessecary violence can make something feel immature.

[@__ManMilk]

This movie basically requires you to turn off your brain for about 3 hours and just watch big robot executing other big robot

[@notapeopleperson9390]

And that’s why I like it

[@johncaulfield8935]

@@notapeopleperson9390 Congratulations. You’re a consoomer

[@sodamnstrong7234]

@@johncaulfield8935 i need to consuuuuuume

[@TheCool_Guy23]

And you know what? Sometimes that's not a bad thing.

[@Dazzxp]

Some times it's good to just turn off for a while.

[@Name-ot3xw]

Old man Buzz Aldrin once threw hands with a dude trying to call the moon landing a hoax. He's a total badass and gets all the bad cameos that he wants IMO

[@cielingtiddy536]

I always liked how the deceptions are more willing to take prisoners while going for the spark for every kill (instant death) while the autobots kill in the most brutal ways while not taking prisoners.

[@seraph_dalgon_9216]

Did you not see what they did to Chicago? Did you not see how they were going destroy the Earth to recreate Cybertron? My guy, those decepticons deserved to die.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

They're the instagators of the conflict (I think) but they're also, like, morally better about it than the ones they picked a fight with.

[@shoazdon7000]

Deceptions are soldier class (cyber torn has a caste system), auto bots aren’t. It explains why deceptions are so quick to eliminate. I don’t know why the auto bots are so brutal though it doesn’t make sense.

[@user-vp9lc9up6v]

The actions of guerrilla soldiers tend to be more brutal than professional soldiers ​@@shoazdon7000

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@shoazdon7000 it's because the bay movies pay more attention to being entertaining than being accurate. Autobots in general in this franchise are the ones more willing to take in prisoners almost regardless of who that decepticon may be. Decepticons are a solid 50/50. Either they take you prisoner or kill you immediately or both. Autobots only kill when they're in battle, otherwise they take cons in as prisoners of war only. THAT is how it should be in these films but of course...Bay isn't a fan so...what can you expect

[@Milkra]

Optimus in the cartoons: be strong enough to be gentle Optimus in the movies: rip and tear until it is done

[@thekidfromcleveland3944]

Basically what my sex life has become

[@WingMaster562]

Bayverse aint G1 cartoons, or any cartoons for that matter. They're not the same Optimus. There are also lots of movies with transformers

[@Milkra]

@@WingMaster562 🤓

[@UncleAsmos2005]

@@WingMaster562 And that's why Bayverse is viewed with so much SCORN and disgust, rightfully so! Bayverse Optimus is anathema to the concept of Optimus Prime itself since his very creation based on the Diaclone toy of Convoy. "If he we're more ruthless, he'd be a better military commander, but then he wouldn't be Optimus Prime."

[@dazai2734]

​@El Tio Asmodai Shut up alpha optimus killing unforgivable decepticons ina fkn war>beta optimus that forgives the silliest shit.

[@elteay1]

My favorite lines of Optimus Prime are “GIVE ME YOUR FACE” and “IM GOING TO KILL YOU”. Truly the most peaceful and wise leader.

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

Over a thousand years of war changes someone, especially when it has cost you your home planet and multiple friends.

[@twentyeightstabwounds7761]

@@Lifeislikeadoughnut the fact is, thousands years of war didn't change Optimus. A few years on Earth did, lol.

[@grantoden8242]

@@Lifeislikeadoughnut Peter Cullen told Bay that he was uncomfortable saying lines like that. Instead of asking Cullen why, he just said do it. That shows that Bay was not curious at all about constructing characters. He's just good at blowing shit up.

[@chitoyk8o554]

@@twentyeightstabwounds7761 maybe because he didn’t want to see his home destroyed TWICE??

[@grantoden8242]

@The13thRonin "I'm sorry Michael, I'm just not comfortable saying "I'll eat your children, human"

[@Barrycade_the_Cloamker]

that "takeover of chicago" scene always gives me the chills. it has that "you now know how powerful transformers are in their tech. there is nothing we can do." aesthetic

[@seanrussell4894]

I think that Optimus basically contracted the cybertronian equivalent to ptsd. The centuries of war, losing close friends and allies, him dying, the betrayal of Sentinel, almost being killed again when he was being forced to leave earth, losing his arm, etc. I think this version of optimus finally had enough and basically went, Fuck it.

[@seabass273]

bro, optimus has faced millions of years of war on cybertron, i seriously doubt that just a few years on earth would make optimus become a war criminal

[@den93050]

@@seabass273as somebody who has also lived a few years on Earth, I don't blame him honestly

[@yxrackman2397]

@@seabass273wasn’t it stated that the earth was actually unicron? Probably influenced him somehow

[@soundwavesuperior28]

@@seabass273 I think it’s because he doesn’t want Earth to become another Cybertron. Keep in mind, he intended to commit suicide in order to save Earth in the first movie by merging his spark with the Cube.

[@waddledee6729]

The idea that Optimus goes from self-defense to I'm going to kill everyone here regardless of the circumstances is mighty amusing

[@ljeans531]

It's great

[@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000]

He became more human

[@brandonlyon730]

I’m mean what is he is suppose to do when he’s at war with a genocidal faction who wants to dominate everything?

[@Zurvan1947]

His 'self-defense" seemed to be rip things off until it stops moving. Lol.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@brandonlyon730 take a moral high ground and die, I guess? Idk

[@Reczack]

The way Optimus looks absolutely pissed off when he says "Time to find out" and his face mask snaps closed sends chills down my manchild spine.

[@a.morphous66]

Character assassination aside, it’s such a good line

[@GarkKahn]

That thing killed the franchise I could live with megatron dying, but why the f*ck then make him return?! yeah, yeah... $$$

[@bryanmanuel4945]

Pretty badass moment. It made Optimus look very unhinged but it was war...

[@kingslayerx1716]

Badass af

[@michaelkean5969]

@@a.morphous66 it's really not character assassination not in the same sense as ST Jake Skywalker or Master cheeks from the Galo TV show. Bayverse Optimus always came across as somewhat of a more realistic take on Optimus Prime where he's more of a Wartorn Soldier whose over time more and more broken down by war.

[@SomeKindaHero117]

If there's one thing to say about Michael Bay, it's that he hates CGI when he can do it IRL. Listen to his behind the scenes about his recent movie Ambulance

[@Hazel-xl8in]

people have genuinely tried to say to me that “optimus has become hardened by war, he’s become brutal as a way to adapt to the horrors” when like… every other optimus went through the exact same things as this one and DIDN’T start executing prisoners. the whole point of his character is that he stays good *despite* everything that’s happened, that’s what being a paragon is all about.

[@JohnDoe-uf3lj]

I think that’s what makes Optimus so endearing. He’s badass, but in a classic heroic way.

[@UncleAsmos2005]

You get it. He's not Rambo for fuck's sake. He's not Sarah Connor. He's a Paragon of Virtue, literally Captain America but if he was a 35 tall robot. He shouldn't yell "I'LL KILL YOU" every single time he offs someone. He just says it so 13 year olds cream their pants at the edge that BayPrime irradiates like a fucking sun. And if you get angry by this? Congrats, you're part of the demographic this movie was directed to.

[@gem9535]

It would've been interesting had they actually analyzed that instead of just making Optimus a killing machine for $$$. Like, imagine this series, but it took itself seriously and talked about the brutalities of war can change anyone. Imagine the fourth movie had Optimus realize how far he had fallen instead of him getting even more brutal because "Hee-hoo, money go brrr."

[@benitocamela174]

@@gem9535 nah, i love this doom optimus more than g1. Rip and tear

[@MellowMutant]

Well said

[@DIEGhostfish]

Killing a surrendering enemy wasn't the bad part gor Optimus in this. It was not dropping a sick oneline like in the 86 film. "You who are without mercy, now plead for it?"

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Again, you understand me.

[@gamerfan5381]

“Time to find out” after Megatron taunts Optimus by asking him who he would be without him

[@camp002]

That us usually the propose of the one loner to soften the blow for the audience

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

@@gamerfan5381 ok, considering it's megatron were talking about, and that megs has spent the past 5 years in the TF universe making life on earth a living hell, I think optimus is a little justified in taking out the evil before him. Sentinel I'm a bit mixed on, although he did conspire with megs to enslave all of humanity then essentially doom earth to death once they were no longer necessary so I can sympathize with his ultimate decision. Would've been better for sentinel to he put up for a trial and executed under the legal system, but hey, he's a giant war robot fire truck, there's a good chance he could escape.

[@historicflame972]

@@JosephSmith-lm4ri I mean megs did just save his life

[@TheNukedNacho]

“Are we the baddies?” Ultron: Spends 5 minutes on the internet and decides humanity has gots to go Optimus: Spends a few years on earth and becomes increasingly brutal Humans in the Bayformers films: Side with the Decepticons on numerous occasions

[@kampfgeist7703]

I would bash on siding with the Decpticons but I'm literally wearing a Decpticon Tshirt so y'all know where my loyalties would lie xD

[@mutagen28]

@@kampfgeist7703 dude same

[@BirchMonkey857]

To be fair, Ultron probably just found 4chan. I'd have a similar reaction if that was one of my first pieces of knowledge about humanity.

[@mayteexxis]

@@BirchMonkey857 now that would be funny. Or some messed up onion site.

[@atlas3556]

@@BirchMonkey857 no, he saw all the pages containing him on Rule34

[@thouvenelclement2398]

A thing I also like in this movie is Soundwave being an amazing spymaster and pulling off the conspiracy pretty much on is own. Heck, this might be the most efficient Decepticon in the 5 films.

[@jacksteven781]

11 year old me was so in love with this movie. It was so amazing that when all hope was genuinely lost for the audience. When we were sure we needed a miracle for Witwicky to live, and we knew one couldn’t come. And then Boom comes the first shot. And in milliseconds the audience is thinking is it the army? It can’t be autobots. Screw that, it’s the flipping miracle. IT WAS SO COOL. Clearly people would die in this movie; I was genuinely scared we would lose main characters. I’m 23 today, you can’t take this from me. It was the coolest scene in any movie I’ve watched. I was fully emotionally captivated at the time. What an experience. I don’t think I’ve ever felt like that since. Maybe avengers endgame when the whole universe comes to fight thanos. Hate on Michael Bay. He gave me a lot of the best movies of my childhood and teenage years. Meanwhile teaching me that the main character is always nice and is willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Like Tom hollands Spider-Man. Nobody will take my love for dark of the moon from me

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

Seeing this in theaters as a teenager, I remember being pissed that Ironhide's death was acknowledged by literally nobody. This badass was one of the OGs and he doesn't even get a passing mention of grief from Optimus or Ratchet.

[@rezikomeladze7623]

Ironhide might have been the reason why optimus killed sentinel in the same way

[@famalam943]

Sums up every movie. Things happen, but no one cares. There’s no real characterisation or consequence… hell they gave Jazz more acknowledgment ffs.

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

@@rezikomeladze7623 maybe, but still a "this is for Ironhide" or something from Optimus would've gone a long way.

[@evelynsahoe8896]

I blocked out seeing this in theatres until I saw Shockwave centipeding thru the building and it all rushed back lolol

[@YouKnowMeDuh]

I'm still hurt by Ironhide's death. Literally lost a piece of my childhood.

[@Benny0033]

Fun fact: In the original scene with Megatron in Africa, he shoots an elephant with his shotgun. However, it was deemed too violent so was removed. You can tell it was edited out cause he takes out his shotgun and then it the very next scene puts it back.

[@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975]

Shooting an elephant was more violent than head shooting a person at point blank range or than ripping out the eyeball of an enemy

[@Karlach_]

D: Wtf Megatron!

[@ForageGardener]

​@@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975people empathize with animals more because they don't see the animal as a threat

[@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975]

@@ForageGardener ya it makes sense the evil robots did it

[@Usual_User]

Holy shot we missed some cool moment's

[@julz_swag]

22:37 he rips out his entire spine as well.

[@faboo2001]

It was so jarring to see Optimus go from "We'll kill them all", to "Please Sentinal, don't kill me", to "You die now". I love it.

[@mojavefry2617]

“Somehow, they must’ve picked up that fuel Rod.” has the same energy as “Somehow… Palpatine has returned.”

[@cogahan3105]

I actually expected that clip to be in this video. Kinda disappointed that it wasn't ngl

[@eddiecampos]

Somehow Palpatine returned was WAAAAY worse than this but would’ve made for a funny edit in the vid

[@fryPS]

That line sounds so familiar which seven was it from?

[@pharaohbubbles1547]

Except it's way more believable for Palpatine bc we kno why he came back, and how to a degree. What exactly was the fuel rod for, and why dud the Decepticons need it?

[@atlas3556]

@@pharaohbubbles1547 my brother in Christ, Palps fell into the fucking core of an exploding Death Star. The Russians might simply have retrieved their rovers with samples- and the engine piece. In any case, that engine piece allowed the reactor in Chernobyl to function apparently.

[@justinmeniru3663]

Fun FACT: Shockwave was supposed to be the main antagonist but for some reason was replaced by sentinel

[@curtisleblanc5897]

That would felt better

[@EaterOfBirbs]

That actually makes a lot of sense because in most of the other continuities he's a scientist that would go to any length to gain an advantage against his opposition. At one point he literally cloned FUCKING DINOSAURS to increase the strength of the Decepticon army, so the idea that he would just teleport a planet next to another one to more efficiently tap its resources is definitely something he would do(regardless of how bonkers that idea is).

[@curtisleblanc5897]

@@EaterOfBirbs Now that you put it that way, it DOES fit Shockwave's character better.

[@damnation6713]

IMO, Shockwave was wasted potential. In the original iterations he was an absolute menace and even in the movie, that shot where he stood staring with the debris and shit falling around him gave me those good chills. A shame he didn’t really do too much.

[@monsieursir1305]

In the game that came out before the movie, he was literally the main bad guy and hypes him up so much. I was so mad seeing him being relegated in the movie.😊

[@jazzatiff9460]

Excellent point about the designs of the villains it’s starting to become a common trope in Hollywood most villians lack variety and are often kinda repetitive im surprised more people aren’t noticing this cause it’s starting to become way to common

[@thenewsatinbobcat5575]

17:19 My theory as to why they saved this plan as his last was that each movie megatron was trying to make solutions to save cybertron. Movie 1: Megatron crash lands on Earth, and he is used to make all of humanity's technology eventually allowing him the possibility to make a new army to enslave humanity so that... Movie 2: he revives the fallen so he can help harvest earths sun to possibly use it to make energon to then fuel cybertron. Movie 3: Steal the pillars, make the deal with sentinel to help rebuild cybertron, and bring cybertron to earth to help rebuild it using earths resources. It's just that after each defeat, he moves on to the next step of the plan, knowing that the plan must continue to save cybertron.

[@water_color]

“YOU DIE.” *proceeds to tear Shockwave’s spine out from his eye* - Optimus “GIVE ME YOUR FACE” Prime, 2011

[@sunsetman22]

ON BEHALF OF DECEPTICON AIRLINES, THANK YOU FOR FLYING WITH US

[@Coolboy-qb7dw]

becuz shockwave killed jolt

[@mariosonic4ever]

"YOU DIE." -Ganon when someone dares bring light to his lair.

[@mfsusanoo7238]

@@sunsetman22 _where lifes a f**k nightmare~_

[@Jack-rj4kd]

and it was awesome

[@BankMoviegoer]

I have always liked Dark of the Moon. It's a solid ending to the trilogy (which should've stayed as a trilogy).

[@jonathanathor117]

You know if they had adapted the alternate ending into the movie, it would have been great. It can add layers if not nuance.

[@jammygamer8961]

@@jonathanathor117 yea didn't megatron and optimus agree to a truce so the war ended?

[@logger22]

@@jammygamer8961 yes. It would have made Megatron a better character since he was pretty much used after the 2nd movie

[@jonathanathor117]

@@jammygamer8961 some continuities, yes like the alligned continuity (transformers prime beast hunters), IDW and cyberverse. You know transformers lore does have moments of depth and nuance to its lore. It's pretty underrated. I mean the fact that there were other planets in the universe that were colonized by cybertronians does show that in the grand scale, the huge civil war was relatively localised (yes it was a planet size war but the key word is relative). The whole concept of sparks and where energon comes from does some some mysticism as well as confirming that they aren't just simply robots that can turn into cars. The fact that the main planet of cybertron itself is in fact a god who may or may not be nigh omnipresent across the multiverse long with unicron.

[@jammygamer8961]

@@logger22 yep

[@grizzly4769]

16:06 "Somehow Sentinel Prime returned"

[@liamphibia]

EXACTLY!🤣

[@richardhunter777]

I’m glad you brought up the soundtrack (21:15). I feel like Steve Jablonsky does not get a lot of credit for The Score he made for this franchise. The movies are not perfect, but the soundtrack is amazing and Dark Of The Moon is my favourite out of all five. I just wish iTunes and Spotify didn’t remove this film’s Score from their website. God Bless Steve Jablonsky.

[@pookaperson7220]

Once I realized he'd worked on the sims as well as transformers among other things I was shocked. His musical versatility is amazing

[@imnotcrazyforeal2706]

I love how evil Optimus Prime becomes as the series progresses. By the fourth movie his first words are "I'll kill you!" While wildly trying to murder anyone within his grasps

[@beancraver4048]

I mean, to be perfectly fair he was full of bullet holes and essentially at deaths door.

[@BlaqcRain]

I like the progression because the whole time its about being a little diplomatic .. killing when necessary for survival but because he has put up with Megatrons shits for so long, awakening Sentienal only for him to betray his trust and make his credibibly fail with in the US Government and world. Being the only prime left and seeing how these guys say they only want to take one single life but yet have killed hundreds in their hunt to terraform/destory the Earth. No more Mr nice guys. Not mention, he warned the government about what would happen if the Autobot were kicked off this earth thinking the Decepticons where only after the Autobots and INFACT they weren't, they were after the resource and technology store or this planet ... a point had to proven that not only were the decepticons full of shit but they were DANGEROUS, liars and decievers but in fact this world NEEDS the Autobots to be present in order protect the world from the vile shit Decepticons have cooked up.

[@KrypticMonster]

That’s because he was ambushed by humans and lockdown…what did you expect him to say?

[@ante4021]

TF1 Optimus: we will never hurt humans even if they kill bumblebee TF2 Optimus: we will fight for humans, even if there might be collateral human damage, i will sacrifice myself to protect a human boy TF3 Optimus: I won't hurt humans, but i will brutally massacre anything else TF4 Optimus: and then I pulled out my autocannon, yelled "I'll kill you all" and then strafe a tightly grouped humans from 20m away

[@garlicbreadstick404]

​@@ante4021TF5 optimus: and i shit you not, the way he died was HILARIOUS

[@argkitsune]

I was obsessed with the Michael Bay movies as a little kid, and I am not kidding when I say that I legitimately cried when the Autobots’ fakeout death happened.

[@concept5631]

Respectable

[@aiiv7839]

I was shocked too.

[@bryanmanuel4945]

When the Chicago invasión happened for I moment I thought the Autobots were truly dead and it was just going to be a grim showing of the Decepticons conquering earth

[@kingslayerx1716]

Everyone was

[@dagio1121]

Man, I was like 10 when I watched this movie and I cried when Ironhide died. It was a ridiculously dirty way of killing him, I was in shock.

[@the40scall90]

12:03 "Other than dancing on the Soviets" At the end of the day, that was really all it boiled down to back then. Lol.

[@senthesanguinesinner9]

For those of you who want all of this violence with actually *good* writing. May I recommend the IDW Continuity comics? Where the Decepticons are turbo-terrorists, there are more than a few Autobots portrayed just as bloodthirsty, characters you love die horribly or are mutilated but left alive to suffer, the energon blood is pink so it reminds you just vaguely of real gore, and the amount of genuine war crimes committed makes Dark of the Moon look like a civil debate. You can even meet such charming characters as Tarn, Overlord, Sunder, Guzzle, and more!

[@riddlerx994]

I love how the characters you list at the end are just straight up the DJD who are just straight up psycho hitmen

[@candifemale5118]

That “somehow they must’ve picked up that fuel rod.” Really reminds me of: “Somehow palpatine returned.”

[@fahadmalik8862]

Are you a man masquerading as a woman? Also stay away

[@AtlasJotun]

Damn, you might be onto something: the Decepticons may have tapped into The Force. It was the Robo-Sith all along!

[@repulser93]

@@AtlasJotun IDW readers: Damnit, what did Shockwave do this time?

[@litewave5186]

did you forget the cloning facility on Kamino?

[@commandercaptain4664]

@@litewave5186 Disneyfilm forgot A LOT.

[@Dr_Planet]

Only real ones will remember when he uploaded this with a different aspect ratio

[@Raiden-si4ru]

Yee

[@Dirvinator]

I liked the widescreen 😭

[@seanoraghallaigh2242]

Rip the 2.39:1 😔

[@danielholm9865]

@@Dirvinator same

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Pour one out for the letterboxes in this vid

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

I sometimes randomly do a impression of Sentinel Prime dying for my sister ("Everything I did...Was for the good of my race...Wait! No! Optimus, Please!!!" *screams*) she's never seen a Transformers.

[@MihailSamunin]

5:48 I can only wonder why they didn't just recast Mikaela. Laura Haddock who portayed Vivian in _The Last Knight_ is less than a year younger than her, just so you know. Why didn't they cast her or anyone who bared resemblance to Megan Fox and could emulate her not exactly incredible acting range?

[@Vie29992]

TF3 is the most accurate media depiction of Chicago I’ve ever seen. Most Hollywood productions set there usually just gloss over the brutal street violence, executions and war crimes that the city is so well loved for. It’s nice to finally see the city’s culture adapted to the big screen

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

Lol

[@reality7078]

U dont live in chicago

[@ScootyPuffJrSux]

@REALITY I live in Chicago and I see giant robots curbstomping each other weekly, wtf are you talking about

[@kenetickups6146]

You forgot the most important part, the fact that obama let the cybertronians bring their war here

[@michaelmiller7928]

Tell me you've never been to Chicago without telling me you've never been to Chicago

[@theLV2]

That scene where the Army Rangers use superior tactics to blind the Decepticon group with high powered sniper rifles, then immobilize them with planted anti-armor explosives and then finish them off is still frickin awesome.

[@langletprolet8378]

Tbh I'm opposite. I am someone completely fine with the nature of this movie franchise with one main gripe I have is how weak the Decepticons could be against human weaponries especially after the first movie. I thought it was lame and made them look incompetent.

[@9292098]

@@langletprolet8378 The humans fighting Decepticons in TF3 are the NEST (and Navy SEALS) who've had substantial experience fighting Decepticons. They are all aiming for the joints or eyes (or other sensors) with specialised ammunitions. Plus it took several of them to take down one Decepticon. I wouldn't say it made the Decepticons weak or incompetent, it just showed that humans actually aren't that powerless in front of Transformers

[@Etendard1708]

They could use Javelin missiles.. but yeah better risking your live planting explosives because it looks cool

[@cookiecraze1310]

@@Etendard1708 I'm just gonna wave that away by saying 1.) City. With even afew seconds to take cover they could've avoided the missiles by just making them hit buildings 2.) Maybe they had AA? They had the city under control 3.) It's a Michael Bay movie. It's all about spectacle.

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

I agree. That's why the movie is considered propaganda lol

[@animeobsessionsupreme1728]

The fact that they had “blood” wasnt the issue. It’s the fact that they could not keep a solid color scheme for the energon. Energon, their life source, their “blood” is blue as we can see in the cartoon and in other films. Their life source is Blue? but Michael bay kept changing the colors. We don’t see much of it in the first two films but then he decided to make energon pink in the dark of the Moon. And green in age of extinction, and the last knight, which is entirely on the fault of Michael Bay not sticking to the canonical, consistent color of energon and making it whatever color he wants to a scene. The only thing from Cybertron that would have a chance of being pink or green, would be Terracon blood (which would be lockdown) or the different types of high grade and low grade, the transformers natural food source from Cybertron.

[@broarte]

So glad I got to know this channel. The comparison of that transformer leaving flying vertically to the los simpsons homers character had me dying 😂😂😂 that was genius

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Sentinel Prime killing Ironhide was like General Shepard betraying Ghost and Roach from MW2 levels of shocking.

[@bobjason7540]

Nah MW2 did it better. Sentinel's betrayal was obvious from the start

[@pixbo9133]

I didn't see it coming. And even after watching the movie at least 10 times i still can't see how anyone could have seen that coming.

[@charleskavoukjian3441]

Literally the moment I began to hate transformers. I loved iron hide

[@ljeans531]

@@charleskavoukjian3441 bruh same. I was pretty upset when the off'd him like that

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

But Ironhide had no personality

[@aghistorian763]

Trying to understand the Transformers movie cannon and its "logic" feels like trying to solve a puzzle with your elbows only to find out that none of the pieces were part of the same puzzle to begin with

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

ive always felt sorry for the novel writers and comic creators who had to piece together something vaguely coherent for these movies

[@bryanmanuel4945]

@@pharoahcaraboo9610 The first three are Kind of connected though you go to do mental gymnastics though it's light compared to the one's you have to do for the fourth and fifth

[@michaelkean5969]

thing is if you take out TF 2 4 and 5 from the equation and only consider TF1 and TF 3 it makes perfect sane narratively. TF3 feels like an actual Sequal to the first film because Revenge of the fallen kinda starts nowhere and ends nowhere and feels very much like it's own self contained film.

[@dajokahbaby1506]

@@michaelkean5969 Pretty much, I mean the second movie introduced the Matrix of Leadership but you could just ignore that and pretend Prime always had the Matrix like he does in most Transformers media

[@mrscruffles801]

I like how the Fallen is only even mentioned in the 2nd movie even though he's basically the reason any of the movies happened when you really think about it. He founded the Decepticons and was a mentor to Megatron, and yet was treated like he had no importance.

[@acenewholland564]

14:00 he sounds like those zombies in original plant vs zombie that fall of the sky haha

[@EchoesFromCorn]

The bungee zombies, yeah! Man, I need to revisit this game someday

[@alextricoverload]

I remember watching Dark of the Moon in theaters with my family when I was like 7. Ironhide was my favorite Autobot in the movies because he turned into a black truck and my dad drove a black truck... Like I said, I was 7. Regardless, you can imagine my reaction when Ironhide was suddenly just brutally executed.

[@kingbash6466]

Fun fact. This movie and Kung Fu Panda 2 were released on the same year, and they both had a scene where the characters had to escape a building being toppled over from the inside.

[@lieutenantflyboy]

Future video: “That one time Hollywood made two movies where both characters have to escape a building being toppled over from the inside”

[@jammygamer8961]

But Kung Fu Panda 2 was actually a very good film

[@shinsenshogun900]

Clearly, one of them has more flaws than the other, and I'm looking at you, Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon!

[@iivvrryy]

To be fair it’s a fairly common action movie setpiece. The new suicide squad did it too just off the top of my head

[@TheBoringLlama]

@@iivvrryy back when dotm did it, basically no one else did (just like the beam in the sky thing)

[@theNoobmaster69]

I like the alternate ending a lot. I feel like it fits Megatron as a character. Dude is just tired of fighting by the end and wants to go home. I like that a lot more than him just dying for nothing.

[@juanitobarrera2945]

Yo bro we got the same pfp

[@henneybach]

@@juanitobarrera2945 hmm

[@theNoobmaster69]

@@juanitobarrera2945 we're bros for life then lmao

[@captainbrexit6730]

Bro got his ass handed to him on a silver platter every single fight after the first film. He was mutilated and mauled by the end of ROTF and became everyones punching bag in DOTM. It would've been way better if they stuck with the og ending and had a peace treaty

[@juanitobarrera2945]

@@captainbrexit6730 facts

[@vicarameila1418]

It's wild because of the fact that you can make an Optimus Prime who is a war criminal, morally questionable, etc. I think it would be intersting to go over the morals, and ethics of both the autobots and depictions

[@faizanraza2334]

17:14 i just realized magatrons foot was cliping through the stairs here

[@__J____c____J__]

We were robbed an actual proper ending that would’ve showed character growth for both the hero and the villain. Oh well, the funny megaman’s head went off.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

On the one hand, it would have been more narratively satisfying for the hero and villain of the franchise to team up to destroy the living embodiment of the endless glorification of war between their people, and finally take steps towards establishing a lasting peace and ultimately rekindling their relationship as brothers-in-arms, no longer bound to an eternity of bloodshed. On the other hand, seeing the robot rip the other robot's head off makes my monkey brain go OOOOOOOOOH

[@__J____c____J__]

Gotta agree with you there. Funny robots go AGGREHEHEHBEEBRR

[@mikethecurious2489]

“Super fighting robot”

[@____Nairod____]

Imo the original ending would've been weird as Megatron and the cons just got done massacring a whole city and Prime just let him go and trusting he's actually changed. Also when I saw the original ending it seemed way too wordy to have a satisfying ending to the trilogy. Plus the "Time to find out" actually sends chills down my spine every time I hear it along with the music too

[@negative6442]

Nah sorry, Megatron getting fuckin obliterated was great and I legit wouldn't want it any other way

[@lakelandbuzz2252]

You know, I'll say this. Mikaela was quite underrated in the first movie. She has a backstory with her dad being in prison, a skill that works for the story, had some actually depth to her character, and straight up saved Bumblebee while Sam was freaking out, and then proceeded to help kill Brawl! She was the shit. Like Thew said, she was too good for Sam. Shame about losing her.

[@caitlineder6950]

In another universe (and with a different director) Mikaela could have been the protagonist and I think that would have made for a significantly stronger series

[@lakelandbuzz2252]

@@caitlineder6950 totally agreed. Mikeala should have been the protagonist rather then love interest, and Spielberg should have been the director rather then the producer.

[@justinarzola4584]

@@caitlineder6950 Sam was only the main character cause bay wanted a character the teen males that played transformers and watched action movies could relate too.2018 bumblebee movie proved you could have a female lead in transformers without alienating the target demographic.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Mikaela (and Megan Fox) deserved better

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

@@caitlineder6950 This is basically what happened in the Bumblebee spinoff movie

[@dr.quackpepper9646]

Fun fact, In the 2011 daytona 500 parade laps, there were 3 cars out with the other cars that were exact replicas of the Nascar cars from this movie, with all the guns and armor on them. The announcers even compared them to the other cars on track.

[@MatPatFlan]

As a kid who watched movies 1 through 3 back to back because we had the disks, the fact that the love interest was a completely different person was what bothered me the most about the movie.

[@purplehaze2358]

"Remember when this started as a ploy to sell plastic toys?" That implies it's not _still_ a ploy to sell toys.

[@bryanmanuel4945]

Ironic considering the TF3 were kind of bad

[@boobah5643]

Well, it arguably started as a ploy to sell die-cast metal toys. But it's a lost art.

[@adamhauskins6407]

Is supposed to sell video games to 14 to 24 year old boys now

[@dapperloser3025]

the difference is instead of selling toys to young children, these movies aim to sell them to edgy middle schoolers

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

Ironically it made people more interested in "toys" from third party companies instead from Hasbro cause those were more accurate

[@thomashooper2451]

The TF movies unwittingly read as a fascinating story of Optimus Prime’s journey into villainy. He’s his mostly optimistic self in TF1. But then he’s ripping apart faces in TF2, committing war crimes in TF3, and actively raiding human compounds in TF4. He even gets his first human kill in TF4. What a great “war is hell” message to see Optimus so worn down and embittered by war that he becomes everything he stood against.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

And the best part is they probably did this completely by accident

[@justinarzola4584]

And in the fifth film he goes evil and attacks bumblee,it's a cool character arc.

[@michaelkean5969]

i don't think Optimus is becoming a Villian in as much he's becoming a more realistic hero who has started to forgo his ideals to ensure that the war is finally able to come to an end he feels very much like a young naive soldier who stood proud for his ideals and bought into the propaganda but as time and the war has gone on he's become more jaded and brutal and his ideals and morality just nothing more than just a facade he tells himself over and over.

[@occam7382]

@@michaelkean5969, and one of the great things about OG Optimus is that de defies that idea. He doesn't get worn down and jaded by the war (at least not in front of people), and despite everything that happens to him and his team, he stills tries to lead by example and commit as little war crimes as possible. I'm still hoping for the day that TFP Optimus and Bayformers Optimus somehow meet and just see the absolute mess of what that leads to.

[@mindwars101]

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Oh it was 100% by accident. Bay Prime is like if IDW Star Saber was looked up to and seen by the "good guys" as his G1 counterpart but the script still has him talk and act like IDW Crusader Saber.

[@Godithseeker]

The opening to this review is doubly hilarious with the sudden success of Palworld this week. Exactly what he described.

[@MichaelMyers_78]

Sentinel Prime: "I bring you Cybertron, your home and still you choose humanity!" Optimus Prime :"You were the one who taught me freedom is everyone's right".😃😃

[@mr.skullfacegarcia775]

Fun Fact: The voice of optimus Peter Cullen didn't want to say the line, " We will kill them all." Because he says Optimus wouldn't say that. But Michael Bay told him in an Angrily Tone to just say it!!

[@bethanychatman9531]

Because Bay is a corny weirdo.

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

"JUST DO IT"

[@jamesr5436]

hehehe 69 likes

[@jonnowocky8179]

Feel for Culler - voiced the character so well for so many years and was finally forced the betray him for another sociopathic Bayhem wasteland of a film

[@TACTIK00L]

its a paid actor dawg

[@R77ification]

The human side of the big fight felt straight out of a Battlefield campaign. You could play the BF4 main theme during the collapsing tower sequence and it fits the scene like a glove.

[@LordMegatron-qk2gz]

Bits of call of duty in their too. Over the top scenarios where the characters miraculously survive, unlocking a massive conspiracy, big chase scene, having to get to a certain point where you have to capture someone part of the conspiracy and prematurely kill them, jumping out of an osprey and somehow surviving, sniping on top of buildings, planting explosives on certain areas, calling in an air strike, using a canon to knock down a certain object, massive fight between the hero and villain where the hero ends up losing, but someone else comes in to help, then the hero finishes the job, having to do everything yourself, and finally a cliffhanger ending that completes the main story (probably a few I forgot)

[@Etendard1708]

Uhh.. but BF4 (2012 - console/2013 - PC) is released after Bay's Transformers 3 (2011). It more looks like Call of Duty MW3 (2011) to me, even the setting is city battle.

[@hiddenfossil999]

@@Etendard1708 yeah some people just like to complain and compare TF to anything involving military and sci-fi IPs

[@DakotaofRaptors]

@@hiddenfossil999 maybe because it's a sci-fi movie with military elements?

[@ChuckNasty961]

Funny because when he showed that scene I thought the music sounded like battlefield

[@retromancer]

My favorite bit of this movie is the bad guy lives in the Milwaukee Art Museum.

[@3128486]

The fact that you use transformers galaxy forces soundtrack for this gives me a new level of respect for you

[@andrewrife6253]

What always killed me was how, in each movie, there were characters that just showed up and disappeared with no explanation and in each movie there's this "ultimate powerful thing" or a shit load of robots hanging out somewhere that was just forgotten about. Like, Megatron just forgot about the shit ton of decepticons on the moon or he wasn't told and you'd think that would have been mentioned at some point..

[@pacotaco1246]

Megatron has taken many hits to the head

[@g-forcemapping8454]

Watch Trans Theories he fills in quite a lot of gaps and answers questions with head cannons that he justifies well-enough to be believable

[@electricfeverx976]

If you want something even weirder than all that, Barricade, the Police Car Decepticon, is the only Decepticon to survive more Movies than any other Decepticon in the entire film series. The dude was here since since the first film and lived all the way to the fifth before possibly being killed by Bumblebee.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@electricfeverx976 Barricade is such a bizarre character. He disappears entirely from the first film, despite being one of the most prominent Decepticons; returns and is promptly killed off at the end of "The Veiled Threat," a prequel novel that takes place before "Revenge of the Fallen,"; appears once again in "Dark of the Moon," and somehow isn't murdered along with the rest of the Decepticon Army; never shows his face for the entirety of the fourth film; and is back again for the fifth film.

[@prajawalgurung6121]

The major problem with transformers is that the transformers themselves are SECONDARY characters to their own movie. The humans were too much of a focus (Sam has hours of screen time while Optimus is under an hour), hell even in the new bumblebee movie the deceptions were still pretty undermined but they were still utilized well enough as villains.

[@myface6739]

I never liked the humans in transformers media

[@prajawalgurung6121]

@@myface6739 same, should've made the soldier characters the main characters

[@haesung2148]

Yeah it's like the recent Godzila movies. Like no one give a fuck about a family drama I came for the Godzila not some 40 yrs olds arguing who's a better parent.

[@LordVader1094]

Bumblebee was great tho

[@prajawalgurung6121]

@@LordVader1094 yes

[@AfianySnow29802]

3:57 - I don't know why I find this part funny since you edited her walk away, lol!. 😂.

[@JabaKi]

2:51 "and this planet comes in to the Galaxy" was the damn thing outside the milky way or something 💀

[@trashmammal9430]

Ah yes, the transformers move that depicted Optimus ''freedom is the right of sentient beings'' Prime just straight up execute his father figure and (kinda) brother. Well done, Bay.

[@scott5388]

Killing Megatron isn't bad on paper, Transformers prime and armada did it right. Bay just sucks at making movies

[@HypoZilla]

The ending was changed last minute, due to it being leaked via other media sources before the film came out. I believe there was around a month or two for the ending to be changed before release, which sucks. The original ending was much better

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

@@HypoZilla what was the original ending?

[@DigiMaster236]

@@JosephSmith-lm4ri Did you not watch the video?

[@HypoZilla]

@@JosephSmith-lm4ri Optimus and Megatron team up against Sentinel and kill him, Megatron saying ‘Two Shall Stand, One Shall Fall’ Megatron then tells Optimus he no longer wants to fight. Optimus is ready to kill Megatron but he doesn’t. Megatron says he will return to Cybertron and rebuild, and the war will end. Optimus is left with the question of whether Megatron will hold true to his words. Rest of the ending plays out roughly the same, and that’s about it

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Transformers 1: The Hoover Dam is a conspiracy. Transformers 2: The pyramids are a conspiracy. Transformers 3: The moon is a conspiracy.

[@silentnight6810]

Transformers 5: the entire planet is a conspiracy

[@KnightOfNewColu]

Transformers 4: Romeo and Juliet laws are a conspiracy

[@gamerkid2329]

Transformers 6: Is a conspiracy

[@francis986]

Me every single Transformers movie: "yay, war crime Prime is back" 😅

[@archbishopTL1]

one thing i dont get is why they changed Mikaela to Carly, when they could have just Don Chealed-ed it and recasted an actor for the same character (or just got Don Cheadle to play the main love interest for Sam, would've been funny as hell)

[@Tmb1112]

The betrayal and Ironhide’s death was one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen as a kid. Really blew me away and made me hate the villains. Which is awesome for a movie to be able to do.

[@quillsoul]

Bro same! I loved Ironhide because we had the same sense of humor and personality (minus the violence)

[@mr_confuse]

@@quillsoul the violence comes with age, I imagine

[@YouKnowMeDuh]

Just blew your 5 year old brain to bits, didn't it? I was a teen at the time and even now as an adult it hurts to think about how dirty Ironhide was done. I miss him, Jazz, and Ratchet ; - ;

[@vijayadityamadduri4884]

@grimlock smash I even had an Iron hide Action figure

[@bloominjooj7541]

It's fascinating how as kids we cared so much about a character that had so little lines throughout that you could count them on your fingers

[@shiggydiggy8308]

Everybody immediately goes for the "No Optimus", yet nobody brings up Sentinel betrayed them and shot Ironhide in the back while doing it. Or the hostages being wasted beforehand by Decepticons. Edit: I think a lot of people sleep on the true character arc of Optimus in these movies. In 1, he tried fighting with honor, yet it still wasn't enough to beat Megatron. Also, though it was barely focused on, Jazz's death must've hit him harder than we realize. In 2, people focus on Optimus's brutality, but they never focus on the fights themselves. The woods fight was literally 3 against 1, sorry if he can't be as composed as people think he should be. Then against the fallen, he just got juiced up by the power given to him by Jetfire, I think you can cut him slack for going a overboard in killing the fallen. Not to mention, he had to be thorough in killing the fallen, cuz his name literally implies that he'll rise again if you don't kill him right. 3rd movie, it comes full circle. He tried to be the honorable big metal boyscout at the start, but first he finds out he was lied to again by the humans, there goes that trust. Then he tries to do the honorable thing and hand back leadership to his teacher, Sentinel. We all knows how that goes. Then the humans straight up tell them to get off the planet, he goes along in hopes that the decepticons at the very least will honor the deal and spare humanity if they leave. They immediately shoot them down and start wasting humans. Then in the fight, did Sentinel show mercy? Stabs him, cuts his arm off, then tries to impale him. Sorry, but the honor is dead, and the War killed it. Optimus was just done with all of it. Look what honor got him, his friends are dead, betrayal on all sides, and no place to call home. I'm assuming that Optimus thought that if he let either of them live, it'd all start over again. How could he trust them to surrender or honor the truce, when they wouldn't even let him surrender honorably. He truly wanted to be free of this, which is why I felt it when he said it was time to find out.

[@sashabraus9422]

Exactly, people sleep on Optimus' character because it's not the focal point (sam's POV being the focal point.) Plus, in every movie optimus was fighting for a planet and a people to save. There's no do-overs, not after the Cube was destroyed (along with the prospect of reviving his race.) If he looses Earth and humanity, that's it game over. It's like a father fighting a pack of rabid dogs to save his kid.

[@ManicRipper2]

I would agree, if not for the fact the first scene in revenge of the fallen, has Optimus executing a defeated enemy by point blank blowing their head off.

[@oldenough5424]

i love how you actually tried to rationalize optimus having a character arc in these fucking movies 💀

[@hype5456]

@@scintilla3957 it explains why In the tie in media, funny enough the writer for the comics for the movie franchise was able to make everything make sense, only for AOE and TLK to ruin everything done

[@Quasartist]

One of my favorite instances is the 3v1 in the forest in the second movie. I think it's great and one of the strongest points of the trilogy if you really examine it - Optimus's number one objective right there is to make sure Sam is safe, and it shows in the way he's playing defense hardcore. But once Optimus thinks Sam is dead or out of the way, he decides to show the Decepticons what's what by turning the tables and cutting them down with absolutely no effort at all, and he only dies because he goes looking for Sam again. If he had paid more attention he likely would have ended Megatron's life right there instead of vice versa. People often forget that Prime is a title and not his actual surname or anything, and it takes an absolute force of nature to be worthy of the title, typically only given to a bot worthy of being the Autobot leader, which is a very tall order. I think him going balls to the wall in the forest was perfectly fitting for the character. Optimus believes in reform, but if it's not only his life on the line, but humanity's and his newfound home after all the loss and bloodshed he's had to be a part of, I think it pans out as a perfectly fine for him to remind the Decepticons exactly who they're dealing with, on top of him likely thinking Sam was dead in the moment.

[@williamsolis1]

The last act is so good that is covers up the rest of the films problems. It's like Michael Bay doesn't have the ability to tell a story without explosions or immaturity. So after he gets through the plot, he then steps into his element

[@angryspacemarine6677]

“What if Pokémon didn’t faint, they just died?” Boy, have I got the manga for you

[@ChristianFroude]

Tell us about it.

[@angryspacemarine6677]

@@ChristianFroude its just the og pokemon manga. Like the very first print, kind of like how yu-gi-oh wasnt always just about a card game

[@sailordaigurren8225]

I never looked into it, but I definitely noticed how much it felt like Carly was meant to be Mikaela. Her dialog with Megatron is definitely more something Mikaela would know to do than Carly.

[@Wixyification]

exactly. at that point Mikaela and had seen each other enough for him not to kill her on site for her audacity. It was weird to see him listen to this rando woman.

[@0g0mogosepikworld31]

I literally didn't even realise they were different actors

[@_NekOz]

@@0g0mogosepikworld31 And it shows how there isn't much to these characters beyond the surface level stereotypes that are vaguely relatable. Motor crazed chick? Check. Average fuckup of a joe? Check. Some of the most stereotypical, clueless parents I have ever seen? Check. 3 letter agency guy that gets kicked out, and goes slightly unhinged? Ok you know what? He is a fun character. Stereotypes can be fun if actually played around with, see the game Team Fortress 2 and it's short movies for that. Transformers, with few exceptions, have boring characters that only serve to have some relatable characters. You don't watch Transformers for Sam or... Whatever her name is again. You watch Transformers to see massive CGI robots duke it out. It's the ultimate fast food of movies.

[@bl4ckw1ngz64]

PointlessHub had to point it out for me, it just makes way more sense that Carly working w cars is a carryover from Mikaela, as well the triangle dynamic making way more sense w Mikaela involved

[@starforcenetwork]

I still wonder why they didn't just recast for Mikaela instead of having to switch to a new chick.

[@christianinfinity8206]

Now that I think about it , they could’ve used Ironsides death as a way to fuel Optimus’s rage. Giving a reason as to why he killed Sentinel. “This is for ironhide” *BOOM* and then for megatron, “you were the reason behind this” A perfect exavme is in the 4th movie when Optimus sees the people at KSI melting Ratchets head, he then goes in and fucks up the place.

[@Croftice1]

Except killing Sentinel for that reason, that was in the movie alone (feeling betraied) is reason enough, no need for a "revenge". In Bayformers 1 (2007), Megs killed Jazz and OP didn't go for him to KILL HIM TO AVENGE HIS FRIEND, he still tried to sacrifice himself, rather than killing Megs outright, but it was Sam pushing the cube into Mega's chest, that killed him. So putting personal feelings for the loss of a friend aside was totally in character for OP in TF3. Also Megs wasn't the whole reason "behind this", it was Sentinel, he came up with the "truce" with the Decepticons. Sentinel was the mastermind behind all that. Yes, Megatron was evil and whatnot, but had like zero influence over Sentinel's plan. Sentinel even scolded Megs in one scene like a dog to "show him his place", not something you see as an interaction between completely balanced partners in crime. Sentinel had the main word in their agreement. And Optimus knew both characters well to realize that. He killed Megatron for other reason, than "being behind it all". There's also an unused early draft (well, it got incorporated into the novelisation of DotM, I think), where Megs doesn't get killed, instead OP reaches for him, giving him a hand and they return to Cybertron rebuilding it together. The movie was supposed to end like that originally, but Bay decided it wouldn't work well, so Megs got killed by Optimus. There really is no reason for "this is for Ironhide" and "you were behind all of this". EDIT: the video is talking about the draft as well, haven't seen it all, before commenting. So yea, this only proves my words.

[@Gorbz]

Optimus in film 1: You know we do not harm humans! Optimus in film 4: *casually shoots the bad human*

[@Chadius_Thundercock]

@@Gorbz ay it’s a bad human though, so it’s alright

[@Sandouras]

@@Croftice1 He is still supposed to be an inspiring heroic figure in a movie based on a toyline. Not the story of a war veteran turning crazy. It's just that Bay and his team dont give a fuck and have him say stupid violent lines because they masturbate to their guns, just like you. And audience members like yourself found this shit deep and profound, while also applauding said violence and thinking it's a good thing. "This guy is bad, i have the right to disembowl him". No you dont. This is why laws exist, so that the state handles that, otherwise we're savages pulling each others eyes out. Hack Snyder did the same thing with Superman. I expect to see a movie about Jesus, or Budda, or Ghandi wielding katanas and chopping people's heads off. "The romans were bad, they deserved it and Jesus had enough of their shit. It's called character development". "But it misses the point of Jes..." "IT'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I SAID!!"

[@mayteexxis]

@@Gorbz he did say earlier that the one responsible for all that was going to die. Not that he knew the guy was actually the one responsible.

[@patkub3214]

That introduction is basically Palworld.

[@STeeVeeHuffman]

“Remember kids, the Geneva convention doesn’t apply to transformers!”

[@KirbyLinkACW]

*Fun Fact:* Japan (where Transformers originates, kind of) has this thing with robots where, if it wasn't piloted by a human a la Gundam, it was seen as kiddy. When Bayformers came out, they were shocked.

[@lance2580]

It gets funnier upon realizing that _Transformers: Rescue Bots_ was never localized for Japan, even though that show was one of the few instances where humans can safely pilot Transformers that were in robot mode.

[@mindwars101]

@@lance2580 That's mostly cause Prime bombed as hard as Beast Wars Neo in Japan and so the brand right now is basically on nostalgia life support, so Takara didn't import Prime S3 along with Rescue Bots.

[@YMS09D]

@@mindwars101 and these modern films didn't help much either

[@herbalyzoltan409]

@@mindwars101 W8 Prime bombed in Japan? fkn how? It's great! They must've had sh1t taste back then

[@mindwars101]

@@herbalyzoltan409 In Japan the cultural differences compared to here meant Prime was already going to be a hard sell as the "Very mature show but only as mature as a PG-13 gets" isn't as popular (and Japanese kids seemingly are more interested in human piloted robots and sentience robots), while it's far more popular to either be Gundam-mature from the offset, be a goofy fun kids show like the dubs for Beast Wars and Animated, or start out as just a fun kids show but build up to more serious stuff as the show goes on like with Armada. So to try and circumvent this Takara got the guy who dubbed Beast Wars and Animated (dubs that aimed for an even lower age demographic than the original scripts did) to do the dub for Prime, while at the same time marketing the toys at mostly old fans rather than for "all ages" like Hasbro. So with both things targeted at different age groups and the dub not at all fitting the show Prime bombed so hard they didn't import Season 3 and instead made "Transformers Go!" which also bombed, to the point you can still find unopened Prime and Beast Hunter Toys on Japanese markets for rather cheap. Now a similar thing happened in the 90s when Takara made two Beast Wars spinoff shows, Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, while waiting for S2/3 of the CG show to be ready to dub, but BW Neo bombed in a similar manner due to the complex toys and basically killed almost all interest by kids and some fans in Transmetals and stopped Takara from importing Beast Machines till 2005. Takara then made Transformers Car Robots (later dubbed into 2001 Robots in Disguise) to try and soften the blow and then saw an explosive resurgence to popularity with Armada, but unlike Neo there hasn't been a show with a massive marketing push like Armada that has come after TF: Prime, so now most of Takara's TF sales come from the Masterpiece G1/BW and MPM lines. Which is why we didn't see an original Takara TF mold in Mainline/Generations again after 2012 and it was only repaints/retools till 2018, where now they just have straight repacks of Hasbro's toys.

[@DestroyerApollyon]

Dark Of The Moon is actually kinda similar to to an arc in the original series. In “The Transformers: The Ultimate Doom” the decepticons use a space bridge to bring Cybertron to earth, but instead it screws with the planet and starts to tear Earth apart. They also mind controlled a bunch of humans too, and we’re going to use them as slave labor.

[@ajh22895]

The Autobots being exiled is also based on G1. Megatron's Master Plan

[@titansnakehistoric5814]

I remember years ago when the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Wii game was released. One of cool little things in the game was that exact arc. It was a miniature movie split into three episodes.

[@evanlight2550]

I remember watching that on the wii!

[@kenniron6313]

There's also an episode I remember where they get a rusting virus from a weapon, hence the inspiration for Sentinel's rusting blaster.

[@DestroyerApollyon]

@@titansnakehistoric5814 yeah, I rewatched it all the time on my ps2 version of the game.

[@MunchinMaQuchy]

2:15 I for one welcome our new robot overlords

[@robertrichards6964]

Bro Dark of the Moon is peak cinema, and you CANNOT change my mind

[@Jackrabbit7]

You need to watch more movies, it doesn’t matter how much you like it it’s not peak cinema

[@robertrichards6964]

@@Jackrabbit7 no

[@wilhelmburgdorf9309]

@@Jackrabbit7nuh uh

[@theknightikins9397]

Here’s why we like Dark of the Moon. It’s just dope. The crass nature and absurd violence, things which would often be bad, is taken so far beyond the line in this movie that it loops back around to being incredible, if only because it’s impressive that they could take it this far. I love it. It’s glorious. It is fun for the sake of fun, and I absolutely love it.

[@loganwithlightsabers3051]

That’s what I’ve said about ROTF for years it’s so ridiculous especially for a Transformers movie it’s awesome like they really gave Devastator balls in that movie lol

[@taigaseji]

My thing is people try to critique the movies on being narrative masterpieces but transformers has never been heavily narrative driven. It’s always just been fun giant robots that turn into cars fighting with eachother, and that’s what Michael bay did he had fun with the movies and action and I love it.

[@b.bones17]

Thats what im tryna say bro like i aint tryna see hotrod fuck up optimus prime again, i wanna see huge robo refugees commit warcrimes

[@GodplayGamerZulul]

Wdym? Violence is always fun. The more creative, brutal and unique, the better it is.

[@melly7921]

@@taigaseji Exactly. People always say “muhhhh such bad movie no good plot waaaah” when that’s not the point. It’s not trying to be a well driven story. It’s just dumb fun with cool ass robots and that’s all it’s trying to be.

[@Gardelain]

I always thought it was odd that after being a bullied shell of his former self that Megatron just got iced in such a brutal way after saving his lifelong enemy from the big bad. It's nice to know that there actually was a second ending that would have played out much more in line with how I would have thought it would have went.

[@BlaqcRain]

But knowing the history .... can you really trust megtron for his words for peace and solem? Thousands of years of war and strife on Cybertronian and because Sentienal made him a little bitch at the end and knew he was in shape to over run he just game up. If somebody shows you over and over again who they are you have to believe them at some point no matter how much you want to believe something else. Evyerbody talks about how weak Megatron is but he wasn't the same Megatron from the first movie. No original parts and very muched weakened and in 2 he uses a spark of a lesser ranked decepticon and spare parts. As for Optimus, not only was he prime but he inherited a spark and parts from an OG (very similar to The FAllen" with instant transmission and overall more anciet knowledge and strength from Jetfire. Gained the knowledge and ability to use flight that he did had an upgraded trailer for all his knew weapons and flight tech.... If you remember Optimus was getting his ass handed baaaadly in the first movie and was going to have Sam sacrifice him for the greater good and Sam killed Megatron instead ... that's the turn off the tide right there

[@p00bix]

@@BlaqcRain I don't think the movie is deep enough for logic to play a role here

[@BlaqcRain]

@@p00bix but the writers seem to have a bit of character development involved from this trilogy which is why the movie and scene was put together as such .. you aren't giving the film enough logically credit

[@cynicat74]

You seem to forget him telling Sentinel "this planet is mine" while attacking him, huh?

[@pascalsimioli6777]

​@@p00bixLogic plays a role everywhere, if logic ruins the movie then it's simply a bad movie.

[@vandergrift5557]

Tbh after I finished watching dark of the moon I felt like it was a long journey and finally it got it's conclusion. I was happy for the cast

[@kuribayashi84]

Jesus, the bit where the Decepticons go full "War of the Worlds" on Human bystanders and start vaporizing them by the dozen.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

A thing I’m glad to see being renovated with the new movies like bumblebee, is that every transformer doesn’t have to be a really nice expensive sports car. Like bumblebee always looked best in his first beat up camero look in the first movie. And that car actually blends in. Same with the bug

[@lance2580]

If my memory serves correct, during the production years of the first Bay-formers movie, certain car companies like Volkswagen and Porsche did not want to license their cars to Hasbro under the stigma that the Transformers are nothing but war machines. This resulted in characters like Bumblebee and Jazz having to take completely different vehicle modes.

[@mrscruffles801]

@@lance2580 Apparently they got over it?

[@mindwars101]

@@mrscruffles801 Volkswagen got over it back in 2014 as MP Bee was released, and with ROTB Porsche seems to be finally fine with them showing up in TF as well.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

Is Jack again

[@TheBoringLlama]

@@DakotaofRaptors no I don't think jack again

[@mrfalzar9]

Honestly i enjoy brutal Optimus Prime, its like his patience just reached limits and started to go on rampage for all those years.

[@F14thunderhawk]

i kinda wish Hasbro would return to either Bay 1-3 Optimus or Armada Optimus.

[@alexmansfield3268]

@@F14thunderhawk dear god no

[@117johnpar]

They did kind of sell the love conflict and chemistry of why Michaela and Sam could stay together in the second one. Which was honestly surprising looking back that it actually sort of worked. But then immediately dumped it with extreme prejudice without skipping a beat of the relationship plot with an entirely different character.

[@rusty7984]

Meh not like Megan Fox would have made this movie better anyways even if that falling out didn’t happen

[@117johnpar]

@@rusty7984 I mean, thats not the point.

[@RentalManBuch]

Not gonna lie my absolute favorite part is Mark and his brilliant inventor line after a long pause with the beats pill 😂 I stood up tall, laughed and cheered with a hint of applause for a perfect ending!

[@weik-2936]

Optimus talking to Buzz Aldrin is the coolest thing that happened in these movies

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

The transformers score has to be one of the most iconic modern soundtracks tbh. Like everyone’s heard arrival to earth at some point whether they’ve seen the movies or not

[@phipear]

The only series i can think of that has a more iconic score for me is dark knight, and that is saying a ton for the transformers score. Steve did an incredible job Nvm I remembered Harry Potter

[@hokkaidosnow6643]

I love the soundtrack, but Star Wars is absolutely taking that spot.

[@rifath8152]

@@hokkaidosnow6643 By "modern" they probably meant between the year 2000 - present

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

@@rifath8152 well, the star wars fandom is very devisive but never have I heard people complain about the prequels soundtrack. So that would take the spot. That being said transformers had a great soundtrack as well.

[@SpectorEuro4]

eh… Interestellar takes the cake. The music in Interestellar is literally its own character (time), and it’s not just there to enhance the environment

[@JujuToobootie]

2:31 I literally went "Good news, everyone!" out loud. 😂

[@namedcrawdad]

23:25 that would’ve been so fucking cool

[@electricboogaloo8615]

I do think it's pretty hardcore that over the films, Optimus loses more of his friends and crew over the movies then by Dark of The Moon some of his closest friends were dead, which in my opinion creates this feeling that he's losing, ironically, any sense of holding back his rage and thats why he's become someone who fights like a villain more than a hero.

[@buckstop]

I watched this movie with friends and there's this part where the Decepticons say they're going to enslave humanity. I started loudly calling that idiotic since giant robots would be able to do anything better than humans could And then they started turning people into meat mist

[@ffs-forfunsake6474]

The idea behind decepticons decision is why would you do something if you can make someone else do it for you? This movies might be edgy but they still have childish and naive ideas behind factions from the cartoons.

[@pascalsimioli6777]

​@@ffs-forfunsake6474but I wouldn't enslave ants to bring me a cup of water: it's going to take so much more time it's not even useful

[@ffs-forfunsake6474]

@@pascalsimioli6777 That's the thing, just like "why would we believe someone who call themselve decepticons". Mass genocide is a bit dark even for an edgy teenager movie, no way they're can squeeze it into a PG.

[@christopherhosein9288]

​@@pascalsimioli6777in the movie the humans literally caught bodies with the decepticons lol.

[@DrgnDD07]

Digging the Spyro music in the background