Pokemon Theory: Blue's Raticate Never Died (Gary/Green)

[@W.H.V.]

Lance hacked three dragonites. me explain. Lance has three dragonites lvl.49 lvl.49 lvl.50. Dragonite evolves alt lvl.55.

[@W.H.V.]

BTW, you can't catch dragonite in the wild

[@pythagorastheorem1366]

Kaveevin Dragonite evolves? Damn, adds the evolution of Dragonite, cool!!

[@thestrangecaseofharryhinde9473]

Dragonair evolves into dragonite

[@ItsYoBoiHarry]

GAME SHARK

[@PremachandranEK]

Correct

[@ProtoMario]

Incoming "Game Theory" did this already. Hey guys, ... I did this YEARS AGO! Also 0:45

[@kaireves4994]

true

[@rottentomato9683]

Idc I like your content a lot more

[@kaireves4994]

Good theory Proto!

[@tokitowairaito3004]

I always thought that Gary's Raticate was stolen by that same TR member, and Gary just didn't bother trying to help it. Or when you beat him in battle he left to go heal his Pokemon and never bothered coming back.

[@Edgewingg]

Yet you reupload it right after game theory does it? That's still using current events to your advantage regardless of whether or not you did it before

[@Diabl0Mask]

What if Blue is playing a Nuzlocke?

[@wispthevulpix7857]

I've been lied to! XD

[@salat6154]

That would mean that he already lost in the first match (assuming you won)

[@galaxyblaster7467]

Diablo Mask A Nuzlocke with a full party? Might be too easy.

[@raiyanchowdhury7898]

Diablo Mask

[@gengarvenom]

Then he lost at the first battle

[@coltermann5846]

I never believed that Raticate died. Blue needed stronger Pokemon, so I always thought he boxed him and others

[@TankEngine75]

Yeah

[@Woozy_Official]

ikr

[@NatetheNintendofan]

@@Woozy_Official lol team rocket

[@robbyplayz1250]

breh he only had 5 pokemon

[@cadenchampion3244]

Raticate isn't even useable for pokemon tower. It makes sense he wouldn't use it when there are stronger pokemon that do everything a raticate could ever do and better.

[@8BitPinkiePie]

except in Gen 1 Raticate was a viable Pokémon thanks to Gen 1s broken mechanics

[@nykita427]

+RoboGameBoy64 critical hits?

[@camronreynosa4958]

everything exept... drumroll SUPER FANG

[@chillyspacd9334]

No, actually, his highest level pokemon in the tower is a Level 25, and it's his starter. Ratata learns Super Fang at level 28, and a Raticate, which is what it is, learns Super gang at Level 34! This disproves what you say. GG.

[@cadenchampion3244]

Aren't those all basic moves? What good are they against ghost types?

[@itsspyro4388]

Blue's Raticate went missing in Lavender town, specifically in the tower. (where ghost types are). So when he saw that Raticate could do nothing, he released it or is storing in the pc. My opinion

[@dragonoidcollosus]

Yeah, the raticate would have just been a waste of space (or just a punching bag) since it didn't know anything like foresight (idk if that was in the gen 1 games, but I am assuming it is). Blue could have been planning on capturing other pokemon and have those fill Raticate's position.

[@itsspyro4388]

TDC-StatX Yeah

[@GVGINU]

+TDC-StatX That move wasn't in the Gen 1 games.

[@dragonoidcollosus]

+The Game Idea Guy Oh, my bad

[@GVGINU]

TDC-StatX I was just telling you because you said you didn't know, figured it would be helpful.

[@wohdasunleashed]

I find it funny people say that game theory did it first when they didn't and the theory isn't relatively new anyway I'm fairly certain this has been discussed on a channels saying the same thing.

[@wohdasunleashed]

(on phone) meant to say on a bunch of other channels.

[@wohdasunleashed]

(on phone) meant to say on a bunch of other channels.

[@Cstewy28]

He actually did this theory 4 years ago

[@wohdasunleashed]

cstewy28 I know? I said I find it funny people say game theory did it first when they didnt. It isnt a new theory regardless as I'm not even sure who covered it.

[@UsonoHoushi]

I think this makes Raticate's fate even sadder. Instead of dying in the arms of his caring trainer. It just gets booted out of the team with other Pokemon Gary caught that he deems "weak" or just caught for the pokedex.

[@aporue5893]

oak- ''you didn't take proper care of your pokemon'' I think this is why raticate vanished.

[@J0eMega]

Oak helping his grandson would be considered cheating?!? Are you aware of how much help your character receives throughout your journey?!? Some people just flat out give you TMs and HMs.

[@dtinagliastudios]

Proto > Game Theory

[@pokefanmelody]

DTinaglia Studios Eyy, I didn't know you watched ProtoMario! Cool! I love your stop-motions!

[@Miguel92398]

59 people didn't pay attention to this video or research Proto's old videos.

[@pugdogggaming956]

God Dangit Proto! It's 2 A.M. and I'm watching youtube and you got me to start over and start playing Leaf Green again.

[@polvocorrupto]

Search for biggest theories at Unova, that region is full of myths. So, one of the theories is: ...... Who was Alder's deceased first partner?

[@VannyBeumer]

Larvesta. We know this.

[@lunerblade13]

1:38 as famous as that scene is in the manga for what its depicting i recommend using a different example for that arbok never died. since its head was preserved it eventually regrew its body. i would recommend the scene of giovanni freezing and crushing to magmars with his cloyster or pryce losing two of his lapras to an environmental accident.

[@cosmelia652]

This comment section perfectly describes why I don't like GT anymore. I had no problem with MatPat or GT up until the Rosalina being Peach's daughter theory. Ever since, people take his theories like they're all true, and give other video game theorists shit for 'copying' MatPat just because they want to give their thoughts on a popular topic in gaming. It's like they think MatPat is on top of the world and anyone who does anything the smallest bit similar to him is a 'rip off' of him. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[@duykhangtran4406]

Let's not forget the annoying "sans" theory

[@J2hawk]

I have only recently started watching your pokemon theories and I have to say that I love them. You do a great job.

[@zaine_502]

I was about to say "where'd you get the idea?" then I remembered this YEARS ago, but I still love this theory

[@fauxjoshallen]

I love how every just disregards the cheeks around 3:20...

[@ALEXANDERATTACK]

Proto, dude... you make me laugh so hard using that picture of Matt Patt or whatever his name is. Proto you're one of my only subscriptions I actually trust and makes me laugh hard.

[@SRPC21]

Blue didn’t necessarily get surf the exact same way as Red. There’s every chance he got it earlier in one way or another

[@xander.357]

I used raticate all the time in the original game taught it thunderbolt and thunder to go along with super fang and hyper fang at level 63 my raticate took out the first three pokemon that lorilie put out before I called it back

[@waniyare9004]

I remember watching this YEARS ago. Thanks for sending a link again, I forgot all about this video.

[@maxtoth5561]

im tired of seeing people stealing your theories

[@ProtoMario]

No one owns a theory, but I do appreciate the sentiments.

[@ProtoMario]

Justin Morciglio Sept 5 2012 4 years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWbNhqelobGmj7c Check your facts child.

[@Slick.D]

Savage.

[@dravenhidalgo6562]

Bull he just stole the theory from where matpat got it so stop wining

[@ProtoMario]

Tiflotion TV So mattpatt stole it? Cool thanks for clearing that up fan boy.

[@tycoonMOBevolve]

BUT PROTO... You're my favorite theorist and your personal stories are hilarious.

[@chadmarais935]

Pokemon can defs die in the games since most pokemon games have grave stones in certain locations and people mourn their dead pokemon

[@Phosphorea]

Pokemon DO die when you fight them to death In nuzlockes

[@guyfierischlong]

I know its random, but my litleo has been the real mvp in a no heal and exp share run.

[@teamawesomeness7137]

someone,with a channel icon of a latias.

[@Phosphorea]

+Team Awesomeness yeah?

[@teamawesomeness7137]

Alphaline i own a latias in my pokemon alpha sapphire. latias is a beautiful pokemon. my latias knows two moves that are beautiful in contests,surf and dive.

[@Phosphorea]

Team Awesomeness I also like Latias for it's extra bulk (from latios')

[@TieGuardian]

Oh hey im early, Nice Recreation Proto ^-^ Oh also, I remember a while ago you said you would make a yoshi is a pokemon theory but it never happened, how come?

[@CNFunnyJon]

He is just in Bill's PC.

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

I'm still under the belief that he deposited the Raticate into a box.

[@kimfoxy15_]

I had a Raticate at some point in time and I taught it Surf and it could. Raticate is useful for my cases and I didn't use a cheat because I didn't have anything to do cheating with. You just got proved wrong.

[@dannyboycomics]

I still say he was using Raticate as an HM slave for Cut, and when he was in an area where he didn't need Cut, he wouldn't need it.

[@KevinRicciuget1chAnc3]

what about the quote, "At least I can faint mine" Said bye Gary in Fire Red & Leaf Green?

[@GuillotineLaw1]

Just thought, him catching a Cubone and having an empty slot might prove his Raticate did die. He went to the tower while it was dying to bury it, maybe was told at the Pokemon Centre there was nothing they could do. Before it's death he caught Cubone, Cubone was sent to Bill's PC, Raticate died after that but before you meet Blue.

[@ThisIsCSDX]

Thank you for this, Proto.

[@griefingg0lem685]

So Proto, I like this theory. And this fits in with another theory from one of your old friends (I'm not sure if you are still friends), Gnoggin. His theory of Blue being a part of Team Rocket would fit with this theory very elegantly. Wouldn't you agree?

[@wohdasunleashed]

it does a bit actually. and yes I'm sure they are friends(saw gnoggin tweet to him about his latest sun and moon theory)

[@gabrielmatamoros5924]

Just one question. Why would the bush be there if Blue/Gary cut it down? That's some great soil!

[@captaincanterberrystudios6920]

The Manga example: The only dead one is the zombie Psyduck. At least the picture wasn't just the Arbok. Good job!

[@captain_subtle9375]

Did anyone think that he just boxed the raticate He also said he caught 40 different kinds of pokémon so I think he just put it in the pc with all the other he caught

[@ingenjannik]

Pokemon are as much data as anything else in the pokemon world. They're essentially animals. With the advanced technology of the Pokemon World, they can be transformed into data but this doesn't they're naturally data. And if Pokemon hunt and consume each other in the wild, why could a pokemon not kill another one in battle?

[@XavierZara]

Hey Proto! Make a theory of why Pokémon aren't very effective against humans (or vice-versa) using game, anime or manga references.

[@ProtoMario]

Already did

[@XavierZara]

+ProtoMario *Looks it up* Bravo. Keep up the good work

[@booquafious2179]

+ProtoMario lol

[@booquafious2179]

+ProtoMario hey proto why are pokemon pokemon

[@orekihoutarou6107]

+Manuel Villanueva pokemon are pokemon because pokemon poke mon.

[@Cloakedschemer]

To be fair, game theory sucks now. He's just money hungry now.

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

Exactly

[@AwesomeX]

Yep

[@TheJudefam]

+Jessica Vaux KZbin Red, quantity over quality videos, sponsored theories which aren't really theories, things like that

[@CABRALFAN27]

"KZbin Red" So what? It's not like he's moved all his videos over there, and he does what he does every week, so it's fair game if he wants to make a bit of extra money. "Quantity over quality videos" Again, he does have to make theories every week; It's literally his job. As he's said multiple times, that, combined with franchises with decades worth of lore, leads to the occasional slip up. "Sponsored theories that aren't really theories" A: Sponsorship isn't inherently bad, nor is wanting to make more money off of what you do (Also, he's also fully disclosed whenever an episode is sponsored, which is more than some can say). B: Not really theories? How do you mean? I know he occasionally does episodes like the one about the Pokemon Multiverse that are already mostly spelled out in the game, but in most cases, he at least puts his own twist on things, or goes somewhere new with that information. And most of those aren't even sponsored, IIRC. And yes, I know this is a necropost on a year old video, boday is the first time I saw this video, so I don't really care.

[@DaveWuzHere]

Blue was always a bit too cocky, glad we got to destroy him repeatedly while grinding to lv100

[@tntdestroyer9017]

Congrats on 500k proto!

[@MasterGamer-yj9vi]

I remember that story when in lavender town, gary's raticate is dead.

[@sevenut]

I guess that the Team Rocket member's Raticate is in the top percentage of Raticate.

[@nathanlomas9652]

I think Blue traded his Raticate for his Growlite due to the fact that Growlite is a Red Version exclusive so Blue technically wouldn't be able to catch one himself.

[@darthblacc4421]

Maybe blue went to lavender town and battled the same grunt that killed marowak with the stun baton and used it on Raticate

[@hamlet1055]

Notice something, your rival is always one step up of you (except in the two first fights and after defeating the eight gym leader), when you have one badge he has the same as you, when you have 2 badges he has 6, when you go to the Pokémon tower he has more Pokémon than you (yes except when you trade your chosen starter Pokémon with other two people and/or consoles or emulator/s ), when you go to the Pokémon Tower he has a Cubone, when you have 6 badges he has 8, when you have all gym badges he was only going to Pokémon League and you beat Lance he already was the champion of the Pokémon League for some seconds. Analyzing that he was not a member of Team Rocket as I thought he just uses traded Pokémon. That's the key for supreme victory against him along with don't overtraining your Pokémon because that was his little mistake. He overtrained that much that when you beated him before earning the seventh gym badge the Green Badge, Green their Pokémon didn't learn too much experience after defeating Giovanni. To learn to use your badges correctly you should go to the Sea Cottage in Cerulean City and ask the only man there how works some badge.

[@kingimura2430]

Gary isn't Blue/Green. They are two separate entities who happen to both coincidentally be the grandsons of Professor Oak.

[@hellsknight57]

protoMario I have a question why do all nurse joys look the same also officer Jenny's are they just clones or are they really family

[@garchompelago]

in Yellow, Gary/Blue/Green/(Profanity) removed his Raticate AND Fearow in his team...apparently no one gives a fuck about his Fearow...

[@krx50]

No, Pokemon are only "data" in the sense of in-game data, but in-universe, they are living. breathing creatures that get converted into data whenever they are inside a Poke Ball or PC box. Therefore, releasing them really is releasing them back into the wild. MissingNo. is not a canonical Pokemon because it is a glitch. Nobody in the games ever makes any mention of its existence and the only way to find it is by doing so on accident or finding out how from sources outside the games themselves

[@liamhampton1013]

Clefairy is the bane of my existence in Pokemon, and double team

[@liamhampton1013]

Also blue probobly was at the tower to get a ghost type

[@liamhampton1013]

I think

[@gravedigger760]

a good pokemon trainer always carries extra revives and potions ;)

[@jarjlol]

It is possible that Blue already had 6 pokemon when he went to the Pokemon Tower in Lavender Town and Cubone was deposited into his PC as soon as it was caught, but the question still remains as Blue didn't have the Silph Scope at that time.

[@nadirakrouh8648]

Personally i find your theory better proto good job

[@gaminglulunightmare6092]

I agree with you proto. When I heard this theory I thought it was illogical to be honest. I didn't know how but it just seemed off to me hahaha.

[@octolockg5059]

Blue constantly says how many Pokémon he has. It's simple. He grabs his Raticate from his PC.

[@ChrisTahji]

10:18 Hold up, wait, hold up wait. Flex on you trainers Machamp FLEX!!!!

[@ZombieBarioth]

Blue's Raticate also ends up switched to a Ratatta, so there may be some sort of connection there. It could simply be due to how the game handles opponents' team data. As for having caught Cubone, he didn't need to manually deposit it since that's done automatically if you have a full roster of Pokemon on hand. You might not actually need a silph scope to see it either since its not a ghost, that's probably just an oversight.

[@silversparks4372]

How do you make these sort of videos? Like this sort of format where you can move pictures around?

[@imjusthereeatingpopcorn5234]

Blue gave his Rattata to a little boy born in Johto. We came to know that boy as Youngster Joey.

[@PedzRR]

Gary's Raticate was deposited into his PC... simple as that!

[@TankEngine75]

I think he actually boxxed his Raticate,there are many things why Blue/Green boxxed/trade 1:He trade it for a Kadabra so that he can get Alakazam 2: Released 3: he just probably used it as a HM slave(but this is highly unlikely because there was no mention of HM slaves anywhere in any Pokemon games because according to Bulbapedia,it is a fan term)

[@John-bj1zx]

People, do you all not realize NOT EVERYONE WATCHES GAME THEORISTS, and more importantly, Proto did this topic long before today, if you watched the video instead of bitching you'd know it's an updated video for better quality.

[@seriousspikesam7770]

So you could say that Protomario released the Kraken? Alright, I'll just leave now.

[@blakegman4479]

I subscribe to the theory that Blue is buddys with Team Rocket, and its feasible that they may have lent and equipped him with certain pokemon at certain times. Raticate I beleive is the kind of pokemon that would be Team Rocket standard issue. I do still enjoy the thought that Blues Raticate didn't survive the SS.Anne encounter, even though you are probably right.

[@darthblacc4421]

My fellow grunt was no cheater

[@hamlet1055]

The most easy answer is the Team Rocket Grunt saying him one of his Pokémon if he doesn't help his boss. So Green threw his weakest Pokémon and pretended that it was it's most beloved Pokémon and said pretending to cry: "Kill my Pokémon! I don't have another chance!" After all he is Oak's grandson it is Oak's grandson he is a very good strategist and fighter, he learns another language easily (Now I got why it's name in the original dub of the animated series is Shigeru, because it is like him); but he hates traditions, doesn't value others' people efforts and doesn't like his grandpa's work.

[@5Points]

When are you gonna make more war story video?

[@kohlrak]

So, one question, who was blue visiting?

[@pointathim]

I have a theory, what if ash only loses a league due to his inexperience of pokemon

[@jessedale4287]

well here's some extra proof that lance is a cheater. Lance's Dragonite's being level 50 would still be Dragonair as dragonair doesn't evolve until lvl 55

[@GVGINU]

But Proto...could you bring back the whiny "But Proto!" voice?

[@atharvar1446]

protomario,make a video of ash exchanged butterfree and kept raticate forever

[@ak94dude30]

FROM GOOGLE When Lance ordered his Dragonite to attack the guy in the rocket base, I'm pretty sure the guy being questioned ran backwards in panic, rather than actually being hit by the Hyper Beam. Lance was threatening that he would have Dragonite use Hyper Beam if he didn't get the answers he wanted.

[@ProtoMario]

But nothing happened to the House...?

[@bhushanpatil6951]

Proto this theory was awesome . BUT PROTO!!!! when Gary/Blue come from bill's house he must have faced the team rockets grunts and defeated them and when they offer him to be part of team rocket he might have accepted it.

[@kotgmarshal]

I remember one of my raticate. I raised it from a rattata until it knew super fang in pokemon yellow. Then I beat brock with it because I was broke, and had battled all the trainers. And also It was my only other pokemon.

[@masterofappsandgames5724]

a team rocket member probably let him borrow his Raticate. After the battle, Gary gave it back to the rocket grunt.

[@PineappleKev]

Proto you should make a theory about ashs father being the narrator, theres alot of things to support it. I already know what you wanna say "But keviin I like talking about the game" but its a very interesting theory I think you should go over

[@alexanderabad7295]

Why are people saying he stole the theory from game theorist? It's just dumb proto did this before game theorist and every Pokemon theorist has probably done this theory before, and if your going to say proto stole from game theory just watch his video one of his points was "stolen" from another video. But it probably wasn't a coincidence that he made this right after game theorists video.

[@kamikyro]

nice theory. makes me more interested in this raticate.

[@Athrun000]

Hi Proto, If there is a way for wild Pokemon to evolve earlier, then it might be possible that other trainers would be able to replicate similar process. Just that this process is unknown to the our character.

[@kaetoc]

Do you have VODs of your streaming? I'd be interested to see the glitches you mentioned.

[@ProtoMario]

www.twitch.tv/protomario/profile/highlights

[@kaetoc]

Thank you.

[@Sirus7009]

I just thought of something. in the anime, ash almost traded his butterfree for a raticate on the S.S. Anne. Gary's raticate was last seen on the s.s. Anne. I know the anime and games are different, obviously, but that almost seems like the pokemon company stoking the flames of suspicion.

[@bryanl6828]

Someone gave him an axe

[@jeremywilliams7704]

Your theories are great wish to see new ones sooner

[@itsducc0953]

Blue just simply put his Raticate in the PC. Man, how did people get so dark in the first place?

[@JESSWURDGAMING]

What if The game theorists see this and want to start a Pokemon theory war haha

[@bugcatcherlorenzo5299]

I think he’s just trying to finish the Pokédex that’s why he says over 40 kinds of Pokémon and that’s also why he caught cubone even though he never used it

[@smiffulon8246]

Lance is one of my favourite moraines along with red

[@teamawesomeness7137]

the player's pokemon don't die (unless they're a nuzlocker,but that's a different story.) red specifically said "you beat your rival once in every match you've fought to date. i never lost to mine and even killled his raticate."

[@tuomashermunen5874]

I know this is old video but he has three flying pokemon. Charizard,Pidgeot and Gyarados. So why he cant use two normal types.

[@chandelureftw989]

Tugsu Master maybe because flying types are better than normal types, so he didnt mention it?

[@chandelureftw989]

Oh yeah, nice icon.

[@alejandroavendano9670]

I have a piplup who knows hydropump at level one. I bred a impolyon with a random ditto and that's how it happened it was all by accident. sorry I'm a really bad speller.

[@michaeldoan2401]

I never put much thought into this. I just assumed he switched Raticate out because it wasn’t a strong Pokémon.

[@HomikaGaming]

One thing people don't really mention is the gentleman on the SS anne in the anime/cartoon When Ash trades his Butterfree for Raticate. Then Decides he would rather have his butterfree. Isn't it quite ironic that it would also be Raticate? Perhaps The raticate we see this man use was actually Gary's Raticate Because it was the "Only" Raticate on the ship. If we put 2 and 2 together I think it's very possible that raticate didn't disappear, but rather was traded to one of the Gentleman Trainers aboard. There were quite a few trainers with growlithe in the game.

[@mixelon1429]

Homika Anime is not the same as the Games so Gary never had a Raticate

[@aymanemoubarak89]

but what was he doing AT lavender town tower?

[@da3577]

You may think he works for team rocket but now that we have Pokemon origins we see he snatches it from team rocket

[@ginoangelos.flores1075]

If lance evolved his dragonair in lvl 47 so blue can evolve his rattata at lvl 16