Policing London - Lies - Extra History

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Reading Recommendations The Thieves Opera by Lucy Moore Jonathan Wilde by Henry Fielding Boswell’s London Journal 3:16 - Jonathan Wild & Jack Shepherd in pop culture 5:15 - Thieves Cant for all your DnD needs 6:48 - Hitchen’s ultimate fate 8:01 - Origin of Jack the Lad & Gentleman Jack 8:37 - How did Jack break the chains? 10:20 - Gentleman Jack is Stacked (like 16 abs) 10:40 - Knives for EVERYONE 13:56 - No one likes Walpole 14:20 - Disregard the local constabulary 15:18 - Freedom vs security 15:50 - Corrupt, but not too corrupt 16:27 - The Paper War 18:03 - We cannot overstate, London is nasty 18:57 - Where did the convicts go? 19:53 - Peterloo Massacre 20:22 - More corruption 23:23 - No Walpole fact?!?

[@davidwilliam9681]

Please follow up on the connection to Georgia and South Carolina. Don't stop at the American Revolution though. There could be extremely fascinating links to southern secession and the Confederacy.

[@Nostripe361]

Did the Americas take this long to get their police together or did they get it set up after independence was won?

[@robertjarman3703]

What do you think of the Blackadder series of this era in London, around 1799? Including the time when Baldrick is filling out the application form to be an MP?

[@pjthegenealogist8960]

I’m a Genealogist, it’s an interesting question i don’t know records for that area or time period but I definitely would love to look into it.

[@spartanhuskiesknitspodcast]

@@robertjarman3703 The third Blackadder series is so funny. The first episode shows the political system the most, like only having one person voting but more than 1000 votes.

[@MatthewSchooley94]

Y'know something I'd like to see on EH sometime? The unification of Italy.

[@emperorjack6309]

Yes

[@moon_girl4468]

EH, I don't know. This is a joke I agree.

[@Valery0p5]

They better mention _that_ massacre on _that_ Cyclops named city a certain dude in a red suit made...

[@acasualcactus5878]

That’d be great, EH?

[@Nertomaros_H]

Yes please!

[@MooshyDinosaur78]

I love your videos alot I am young but I am very interested in history

[@The-rc9cm]

Liar

[@vincentmuyo]

"Yep this is a good lock on this door. Shame about the hinges."

[@weldonwin]

Clearly they were half-pin barrel hinges

[@gabrielappleton4342]

"This is the Lockpicking Lawyer, and today..."

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Nothing on 1, click on 2, binding on 3

[@DavidBeaumont]

You were right the first time; Wilde was "hanged", not "hung". Hanged specifically refers to hanging, and is the only time you use that in preference to "hung".

[@shawnheatherly]

I can only imagine how hard it was to steal a wig at all stealthily.

[@tessat338]

Well think about it. If it was dark, they could be hooked off from an upper window or snatched off from behind in a crowd. In daylight, the wearer could be knocked down or lured into a secluded place and robbed. It was probably easier than lifting a wallet.

[@bernardmitchell7328]

If you use your blackjack well enough, it'll be hours before they're conscious of the theft. Or conscious at all, really.

[@masonsykes2240]

Fishing rod

[@lostwizard]

Selling services from one of your companies to another of your companies is common practice even today. As long as the fees are reasonable (roughly equivalent to what would be charged to non-related customers), it's not really corruption, either.

[@AnimeOtaku2]

11:13 this is the origin of “having one for the road”.

[@yetigriff]

Theres loads of pubs called 'The last drop' as they were where they'd have a drink and then get hung

[@lillithyukiutacrow2532]

@@yetigriff hah nice morbid pun

[@frankie2394]

Please do an episode (or two) on Peterloo!

[@anoninunen]

12:19 "the surgeon would, like surge-in"

[@benjamingrist6539]

As someone who grew up in Georgia, the transportation of prisoners (in particular debt prisoners) is one of the first things we're taught in our state history classes (right after the Giant Sloths and Mound Builders). I'd be curious to see the study of the descendants of those transported to go past the American Revolution up through the Civil War. It'd be very interesting to see how long that spirit of rebellion stayed in their family lines.

[@Stettafire]

11:40 Objection, Jaywalking is not a thing in the UK. Traffic is expected to give way to pedestrians.

[@ErdeZ]

Sounds like a nightmare. We have the same thing, but only on crosswalks (and even then only if the traffic light, if one exists, is green) or on roads with allowed vehicle speeds of 20KM/h or lower (parking lots, etc). I can only imagine the traffic troubles your laws cause in a country with such a huge population compared to mine (little under 6 million citizens).

[@historymysteries4134]

Pedestrians have legal and moral right of way but we still have to dodge buses and lorries.

[@gonvillebromhead2865]

Brits are taught from childhood to only cross the road when clear - Green Cross Code and all that. Whilst perfectly legally allowed to step into a road of busy traffic, and if you do get hit it is legally the drivers fault (though for a criminal conviction it gets a bit trickier), it is a non-issue as generally the thought of having ones skull caved in by an arctic acts as a disincentive.

[@Zveebo]

Erde It doesn’t cause any problems really. Drivers have a responsibility to watch out for pedestrians so have to drive a little more carefully. Pedestrians equally know to be sensible and cross busy roads at crossings. On quieter roads, they will cross wherever they fancy and it causes no issues. It seems kind of bizarre to me that there are countries in the world where crossing a normal road could be illegal tbh.

[@CasshernSinz1613]

Same in the USA, however, if you are car on an interstate going 60mi/hr (96km/hr) then it is NOT even possible to react fast enough to a random pedestrian running across the road. By the time you see them you are already on them. Jay-Walking is meant to protect drivers from reckless pedestrians who walk onto traffic with no regard to drivers. Because the driver would otherwise be charged with manslaughter for something they really couldn't prevent. Europe from my experience is insane. Idk how the hell you people drive at all (but then again driving is less prevalent in Europe than the US). Seriously, especially in southern Europe, people have absolutely no regard for rules of the road and just do whatever they want and it's a chaotic mess.

[@emperorjack6309]

Hey can y’all talk about the Mississippian culture? I ding it interesting and would be a cool series. You can discuss people like tattooed serpent and his mom, tattooed arm and how they fought the French. (Love the names)

[@Inucroft]

20:00 Peterloo was a "Radical" related incident. The radical movement later inspired the Chartist movement. The Charist movement also co-insided with the Rebecca Riots events in Wales.

[@jordanrejon5091]

I need more "lies" in my life haha didn't think I'd say that

[@abj136]

I just am left wondering. LOST was a very literate show, with characters of John Locke, Rousseau, (Tom) Sawyer, Hume, Faraday, etc. Was Jack Sheppard like the 18th century London's Jack Sheppard?

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Umm. Jack=jack

[@CanuckMonkey13]

Ahh, the descendant/ancestor mixup. I hear it often from many sources. Once, as a teen, I was telling my parents about a documentary I had watched about the Franklin Expedition (probably the Beechey Island excavations) and I was especially interested in the fact that one of the expeditions members was being exhumed by one of his "ancestors". My dad teased me about that one!

[@katepeterson5478]

Wig? Snatched.

[@state_song_xprt]

If you have a spare *checks notes* ten and a half hours, I cannot recommend enough the Revolutions Podcast series on the Haitian Revolution.

[@shrimpisdelicious]

Seconded

[@dustygrrrl]

Woo! 6 episodes of Haitian Revolution is great news!

[@hart-of-gold]

I think the film "Plunkett and Maclence" is a loose adaption of the Johnathon Wilde / Jack Shepard stories. The main characters are "gentlemen highwaymen" and a bit different, Plunkett is a Jack Shepard type and the thief-taker general is Johnathon Wilde by another name.

[@DavidChipman]

Thank you for mentioning Blind Justice! I loved those stories!

[@thesceptilegod3581]

please make a fall of constantinople video

[@emperorjack6309]

It’s a sad time but it should be discussed

[@blake-81]

10:41 In other words, his character sheet for Thief class was simply FLAWLESS...

[@chenoaholdstock3507]

Thoughts on The Pinky Blinders? (the Netflix series, but I would love to see you guys do something on them)

[@Energya01]

Great to hear a shout-out to the Revolutions Podcast at 22:22 ! Can definitely recommend it as a source, it's very detailed and very nice to listen to

[@frankie2394]

Looking forward to the Walpole series (when you get to it).

[@EllpaFox47]

“When they reopen in 2020” Oh how wrong we all were

[@Em0srawk]

If anyone's interested in playing a game set in a similar setting to this, I'd highly recommend checking out Blades in the Dark. Also, I just started reading through a flash language dictionary and I'm surprised by how many of terms are still used today :o

[@jannegrey593]

I hope they will talk one day about Surete. It was really the first "full" Police Force, and they did some amazing stuff. Sadly films about it are not much better. I've read about it in Jurgen Thorwald's book: A Century of the Detective. Great book for everyone that is interested in history of Police and mostly History of Forensic Sciences.

[@petemagnuson7357]

So the real lie this time is that it's a proper Lies episode?

[@eeach]

Is that a Tennessee mug over your left shoulder? Asking for a friend.

[@arurramoon1965]

I guess he's a Book worm. I like that I am not the only one.

[@1Heirborn]

Good wigs are still cost thousands of dollars. You can get cheap ones (the ones you see in poorer communities and the colored ones young people wear), but there's a big market for $2000 - $10,000 wigs in the US, especially on the East Coast.

[@wendychavez5348]

In college I had a classmate with gorgeous auburn hair--100% natural--who said her hairdresser had made repeated offers to buy it from her if she ever cut it. My sister's hair grows very quickly, and she usually donayes it to Locks of Love for cancer patients. It counts as a significant tax deduction

[@BigHenFor]

Wigs that are handmade with human hair attract the most value. One with the hairs individually hand tied and laced are most the expensive because they are the most realistic. For that you'd have to visit a trained wigmaker, because the cost is mostly labour, because it's detailed and time consuming placing each individual hair.

[@isaacthek]

Wait... This episode of lies is ITSELF A LIE! 🤯

[@TheCreepypro]

nice to have so much about Jack Shephard cleared up this whole series was dope I see myself rewatching it again in the very near future

[@Fellknauel]

oh oh OH. The Haitian revolution, one step closer from getting a series on the terror!

[@josephskiles]

Definitely one of the best series you guys have done, and that's saying a lot!

[@widowrumstrypze9705]

"City Of Vice" is AMAZING!! I only wish it could've ran for years and years!!

[@Otto_Von_Beansmarck]

6:04 so pretty much sims 4?

[@denpadolt9242]

How fun seeing the Haitian Revolution get a 6-part series! If only it came in time for the 6-page essay I wrote on it.

[@DragoniteSpam]

yeah, 18th / 19th century London was pretty wild(e).

[@robertjarman3703]

Interesting choice to use the Catalan anarchist communist flag for the Haitian revolution.

[@wrench-o-matic6900]

hi 4th i think

[@peggyliepmann5248]

And here I was thinking the Provost's Dog "happy bags" was an unrealistic depiction of corrupt police.

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Little jack and big girlfriend. Resident evil 8. Hmmmmm

[@ProjectSeventy]

Regarding the top hats, to the best of my knowledge the hats were specially reinforced so as to protect from blows to the head and so they could be used as stools, as mentioned. They also had high collars to protect from garroting. Initially, police officers had to be in uniform all the time, and wore a black and white striped armband to signify being on duty.

[@IheartmyMOMMY]

👩🏼‍🏫👩🏼‍🔬😲🤩👍🏻

[@LupinLovebites]

Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean...

[@steffanyschwartz7801]

We need to do a story on Andrew Jackson

[@jorgelotr3752]

You forgot the mispronunciation of the word "gaol".

[@lachlanmckellar5230]

The BBC television series "Horrible Histories" did a sketch on the Execution of Jack Sheppard and another sketch (inspired by the BBC tv series "Sherlock") on Jonathan Wild, though the Jonathan Wild sketch is a deleted scene, unfortunately.

[@DavidBeaumont]

Funny you mentioned "Covent Garden", there was a BBC article last week about where London tube station names come from; it used to be "Convent Garden" apparently 🤔

[@Alefiend]

That's a very weak connection with "Mack the Knife." The version sung by Sinatra is less well known and less popular than the ones by Bobby Darin or Louis Armstrong. Only Sinatra fans think of it as one of "his" songs.

[@thepengugamerz]

last time i was this early i was late

[@bangboom123]

1920s you say? Irish War of Independence please! It's actually timely right now as our Prime Minister is getting enormous flak for proposing a commemoration of the armed force that subjugated the Irish population, and it and the Home Rule crisis are pretty much the explanation for why Ireland is the shape it is today. Which is useful for people wondering about the border given Brexit. Plus, I reckon Americans like revolutionary stories.

[@peterfox242]

The Huntarian museum is cool, took a date there 5 years ago while killing time before a work function, and we're still together now; it's got the Irish giant in it and this poor lad whose tissues grew to bone, BONE!

[@clarenceonyekwere5428]

Nigeria would also make good source material for EH episodes. There are about 100 ancient cultures, 4 or 5 well recorded cultures and themes of colonialism and war

[@heatherlowry754]

Love your videos Side note: slightly distracted and internally shouting "Throw me the idol"

[@HSMiyamoto]

24:30: I am pretty sure that the definitive version on "Mack the Knife" is by Bobby Darin, not 'Ol Blue Eyes.

[@Ahuka]

I just finished listening to The Haitian Revolution on the Revolutions podcast, so I am looking forward to your presentation

[@mfhberg]

'Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean, and betwixt them both they licked the platter clean.'

[@roguedogx]

20:54 dick move! even if he was corrupt.

[@TheDragonklatt]

I know it’s not the same time period but what do you think about the series „Peaky Blinders“

[@atmosquake3090]

Johnathan’s Wild Ride, make the movie

[@suzukablade]

The Kingpin from Marvel Comics is a lot like Jonathan Wilde!

[@frankharr9466]

I love me some lies. Six is better than five, anyway. Simple math will tell you that.

[@Carewolf]

Worst lies episode since the bismarck one where they forgot to correct or mention their biggest lies

[@benjaminnelson5455]

Six Degrees of Jack Shepard? I wonder if there are more...

[@MariaVosa]

This was a fantastic series on a great theme - more of these thematic series. That said - really looking forward to Haitian revolution

[@IainGalli]

Hah! Got to love the English. We haven't really changed much.

[@peterfox242]

Didn't James already do a whole bit on Walpole?

[@mortimersnead5821]

Artful Dodger = Jack Sheppard?

[@euansmith3699]

The Oscar Acceptance speech at the start was touching.

[@stormydragon2668]

Fun fact: Frank Sinatra is not Bobby Darin

[@francesconicoletti2547]

Transportation did not end up with revolution in Australia. Poverty creates the sort of crime that results in transportation. Transportation to a colony can open up economic opportunities not available in the metropolis. The decedents of the transportee could end up better off then if their ancestor had not been transported.

[@BigHenFor]

Only once that had served their sentence. For the poor or unskilled, they could be sent to Labour for farmers as indentured Labour. It was no picnic. One of the leaders of the Chartist movement was transported to Australia and although he was a tradesman, he died in poverty.

[@Joeseph_Mamamoa]

You... Lied to me..?

[@cebenify]

Henry Fielding: I am the police!

[@jlmc3447]

Said glasgow wrong

[@MagiTailWelkin]

The 1920s? You Rang M'Lord?

[@peterfox242]

City of Vice was a good dramatisation of Henry and John Fielding

[@peterfox242]

Cool you did mention it. Yes its awesome

[@gyrrakavian]

So it's like the movie about Ned Kelley? Long, dreary, mostly boring, with a few funny bits and forced symbolism?

[@DerFroschMitMaske]

SO HYPED FOR IBN BATUTAH!

[@justusrichard5544]

Hi

[@lillithyukiutacrow2532]

Ello 🙃

[@thutch93]

Why must you make this channel a Joyce of lies

[@cainsy8124]

Peterloo special, absolutely!

[@AubriGryphon]

Shout out to Mike Duncan!

[@StaleBaguette]

Yes.

[@daneeko]

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[@Pioneer_DE]

Will we get the music like always too ^-^

[@ItzAnatoli]

I wish I could see with those cool things

[@pringlesingle9748]

shoe coom

[@barclayjb]

This video is way too slow to get started. After several minutes I still wasn't sure where you were going. Please get right into the topic and save credits for the end.

[@historymysteries4134]

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