Politicon 2017: Cenk Uygur vs Ben Shapiro, with Steven Olikara

[@andrewgarratt1503]

I wanna see Ben vs AOC

[@andrewgarratt1503]

@don ald it would be a slaughter and she knows it. Thats why she resorts to calling his invitation "cat calling"

[@thesweetlycool]

No you dont.....it would be a slaughtering

[@duchdsiuHGEWIU]

don ald AOC would clean house, shapiro is just a smear merchant

[@duchdsiuHGEWIU]

Slyze Ben is wrong on so many issues it just depends on if AOC would be able to call out his strawmans and debate tricks. He’s been doing this a long time so AOC could struggle in that sense, but in terms of being correct, aoc would win the debate

[@duchdsiuHGEWIU]

Slyze Slyze using venezula as an argument whenever socialism/ democratic socialism comes up is probably his most embarrassing one, takes about 10 seconds of critical thinking to understand why that makes no sense, calling bernie a communist for wanting public healthcare, his apologist rhetoric for US imperialism and just being a massive bush apologist was full of blantant lies honestly. And I’m pretty sure AOC didn’t say “everyone has two jobs” but if she was saying many have two jobs that a perfectly valid comment. And unemployment in itself isn’t a good way to judge the economy because none of the jobs being created are well paying. People didn’t give obama credit when he created minimum wage jobs, shouldn’t give it to trump either.

[@juliank.183]

If you didnt know already: Bens wife is a doctor

[@ripkobe248]

Julian Kadlicz oh we know, he won’t let us not know

[@godswatching2863]

I'm sorry why is his wife being a doctor have any relevance to point out? The reason he brings up his wife being a doctor is because he's letting people know that I have a relevant reason for defending doctors and medical workers. I'm saying his wife is a doctor is not ever said sarcastically or to sound better than anyone. Just simply letting everyone know that I speak in and completely aware of how doctors will be affected because my family is part of it. Ben Shapiro is a good man one of the only people that can have a respectful debate without yelling or name-calling. Even if I don't agree with some of the things he says he has a right to say it and says it respectfully more than I can say for the majority of people that speak about these topics with their snide remarks and constant need to attack or belittle people. Not saying that that's what you're doing

[@flastnoles11]

He's telling you that to let you know he has a legitimate reason to be against doctors becoming slaves that the government decides what services they can provide, when and what they can charge. Which is what y'all liberal imbeciles are arguing for, and most are too dumb to even realize it 🤷‍♂️😂😂😂

[@anthonygrassi4690]

If its used to make a point I get it. The man is proud of his successful hot wife. I mean....Why bitch about that

[@yaboi7773]

3:37

[@makk9637]

When Cenk talks all I can hear is Crowder's parody of him.

[@Jerome616]

Mak K lol

[@Allentox]

All I hear is blah, blah, racist, blah blah, priviledge, blah blah, unfair, blah blah, white males are bad, blah blah, I am a opportunistic, soulless robot - that was his inner thought, blah

[@michaelsuder3956]

lol me too. Chunk is an easy target

[@hexstan179]

49:09 How long are you gonna kiss Trump and Fox news' ass? Feel free to check out my other time stamped comments

[@darthollpheist1156]

That's because Crowder's parody is .01% away from perfection of what Cenk actually is. Minus the bacon thing because everyone knows he's not actually an atheist. He's a Muslim that is here to subvert our democratic republic in favor of Sharia Law.

[@kevinashley478]

Cenk's argument for his business did not age well, lol.

[@noahremnek3615]

Cenk: I hate political spending Also Cenk: Donates to Bernie Sanders campaign

[@tonytooshort]

@@noahremnek3615 he's talking abt the millions of dollars they get from giant corporations. Not a few hundred bucks from an individual

[@noahremnek3615]

@@tonytooshort Still hypocrisy

[@tonytooshort]

@@noahremnek3615 lmao whatever dude. If you think that's one and the same than ok! Whatever🤷🏽‍♂️

[@austinhansen9079]

@@tonytooshort I think you missed the part where Cenk’s business has now taken millions of dollars in investment money.

[@alexmartinez3683]

I wish the audience wasn’t there

[@jimmothymcjimmersmith8948]

I definitely could have done without the applause o’ meter, but I did enjoy seeming cenk get flustered when people disagreed with him

[@troyani5992]

@@bigolboiii I am willing to guess that ben has struggled under the system because anyone who was born either middle class or lower has definitely struggled under our system.

[@perrywebb5833]

@@bigolboiii Ben is the intelligent lil bitch in the conversation. Cenk is the flustered dumb lil bitch.

[@perrywebb5833]

@jben jones I agree. He's intelligent and can outwit most. That's why people praise him. The opposing says revert to name calling and calling themselves tolerable.

[@NonsenseSir]

jackie robinson west you mean like a 15 dollar minimum wage? Which is what I see every Dem politician propose. What are it’s benefits? because I can sure think of some negatives. Businesses would hire less people, business would fire employees they couldn’t afford, businesses would cut employees hours, unexperienced or uneducated workers would not be able to get jobs because there labor would not be worth their salary, if you can’t get a job you can’t gain experience therefore killing the entry level worker. You may think everyone works for giant greedy corporations but some of us actually work for small businesses or own small businesses in very small towns, if they raised minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour this would destroy small businesses and our small towns would see very bad times. Don’t expect us to vote for some woke entitled socialist movement anytime soon.

[@EagleLeader1]

The problem with Cenk is he can't handle when the crowd isn't clapping & cheering in agreement. What does he do? He insults the audience, worse political move. Not classy or mature.

[@ObservationofLimits]

I couldn’t believe how many times he threw insults at the crowd. “Oh you don’t agree with me, you must be an idiot”

[@Pheer777]

In all his debates he spends like 70% of his time make snide comments to the audience instead of actually addressing the points of his opponent.

[@kalibkukus8888]

He really should learn from Richard Wolff.

[@Pheer777]

@@kalibkukus8888 Lol no, Wolff is a total ideologue and a fairly shallow one at that

[@aqua3418]

Yeah, insulting the audience will NOT turn them over to your side. That really was a bad move

[@pvthudson5069]

What was Cenk thinking coming here to debate Shapiro?

[@JK-ew4jh]

Cenk was thinking: "I can get some publicity from doing this and then people will check out The Young Turks."

[@guitarmusic524]

Here's what he thought: "I'm gonna eat this guy like a meatball sandwich". He did.

[@pvthudson5069]

He should have known, he's a meat ball sandwich.

[@jonathanlockwood8851]

Spasm...spasmmm... spasss....kmmmmmmmmmm..Cuck Chenk came in his jeans

[@MrBrendab]

BG McPike Lmao it must suck living in a fairytale constantly

[@ClassicRiki]

Accusing the audience of not “following along” and being uneducated is a great way of demonstrating that you’re struggling to hold your ground in a debate.

[@CliffdropChad]

Absolutely. Cenk's tendency to criticize his detractors as being uneducated or less-educated is extremely condescending... it causes one to deeply question the logic of his positions.

[@iceymatthome6860]

He’s just super fucking condescending

[@JamiePBenson]

R.I.P LiL Peep ❤

[@dylanstack8710]

Definitely and all stemming from an unwillingness to admit that a 100% tax rate is inherently a broken idea.

[@crazyweirdo8406]

This never gets old, Cenk speaks for like 10 mins straight and Ben wrecks his argument in 30 seconds

[@SB-cm9jh]

lol....when and where?

[@colleenfirestine7284]

@@SB-cm9jh last couple minutes of the video and also bringing up the Turks political donations

[@ProudCommie]

Colleen Firestine imagine swooning over Ben Shapiro or cenk Hahahah sheep

[@crazyweirdo8406]

@@ProudCommie swooning lmao sounds like you dont know the definition of the word dude, just because you dont agree with people doesnt make you better, you're exactly everything wrong with the world

[@pgmallon]

@@SB-cm9jh Every time Ben speaks

[@katerbear1776]

I feel like Ben has learned to speak so damn fast from constantly being interrupted and talked over by his opponents.

[@eanoworro1028]

Reminds me of Vince Staples

[@iantakacs2762]

Well he realized based on the applause that half of his audience has an attention span of 3 seconds.

[@iantakacs2762]

Hard balance to find. Not talking too fast for the leftist to not understand it. Or not talk fast enough so that you can't get an idea out before they see a squirrel.

[@davidma8386]

Haha yeah

[@quickpaws555]

He really is just a fast talker. He's spoken on it actually. And its a family thing he said. Idk if u were really asking or making a statement. But this may help. 🙂

[@joshbeaumont4816]

Cenk is debating to the crowd not to Ben. He was going for a crowd reaction.

[@evanhunt1863]

Like what Ben Shapiro does?

[@adjacentphilosophy680]

They both do that. They both are disgusting beings.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@adjacentphilosophy680 I agree they both debated to the crowd but why does that make them disgusting? Doesn't every successful politician debate to the crowd because public approval is what matters in democracy? Perhaps I am missing your point but when the crowd boos and they go back to rephrase and try an convince them of that point, isn't that just using audience feedback to improve your speech which is what you will learn in any speech class. The debate does get smarter when there is no audience to debate with but at the same time less people understand when watching because there is no feedback.

[@adjacentphilosophy680]

Viperstriker4 I’m not talking about the manner of the debate. I’m talking about the individuals. “Jank yogurt” and Ben “walls for me but not for thee” Shapiro. They are rats among men.

[@Brad-qw1te]

Adjacent Philosophy pfft provide evidence

[@Crisperdad]

The most annoying thing about this debate is the crowd

[@bmason1292]

I agree…fuck people. They’re here today, gone today.

[@thequintonflynn]

@@bmason1292 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏

[@michaelszczys8316]

Every time Cenk gets a little loud, they cheer.

[@cisco555]

@@michaelszczys8316 even tho they bood at him in the beginning

[@michaelszczys8316]

He's a ' mob leader '

[@DirtyZ914]

Even three years later this is still entertaining.

[@TheCrazierz]

Agreed

[@briangamboa2310]

This is turning into a classic!!!

[@agsrama17]

Yep! Lol

[@albertmozart6086]

Indubitably

[@gordonconlogue5686]

Ben smoked him

[@Vashthestampede567]

Hot take: the audience should not make a sound until the debate is over

[@caleblee5821]

The audience is an indicator of how powerful the punches landed. As long as there's an even mix of TYT and Daily Wire supporters, the audience is a good thing.

[@Vashthestampede567]

@@caleblee5821 I think that’s more for the individual to decide... the cheering is taking up time and the fluidity of the conversation and breaks up the time structure of the debate

[@LeMonsieurZ]

@@caleblee5821 nah usually the audience cheers for the wrong things like some zingers and punchlines. To assess what argument was better than the other one you need to fully listen to everything theyre saying

[@colsonrizzuto7973]

ya that last debates proved how important silence is

[@emilyh7939]

Then it would be boringgggg in my opinion

[@Whiteboy7thstGOAT]

Cenk: “That’s just because we had 8 years of Obama” *Starts listing a bunch of “problems” about the US*

[@knowyourself22]

@Taylor Lemoine 🤣 you are looking at the no shame right here. Ben Shapiro is it's poster boy. He's paid to lie and mislead.

[@Whiteboy7thstGOAT]

Taylor Lemoine Emotional Statement based off no evidence/facts. Yeah definitely passes the leftist test.

[@Whiteboy7thstGOAT]

Taylor Lemoine This is coming from the same camp of people that do not believe in genetics and that you can wake up a different gender every day of the week if you please . We are not talking about the most intellectual people in the world....

[@knowyourself22]

@Taylor Lemoine follow the money.

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

@@knowyourself22 Keep drinking the Koolaid. Logic must escape you because all ben does is throw facts back to disprove all of the left's lies. Easy Peasy Mac and Cheezy

[@maiaday1988]

I actually think the moderator did a fantastic job here. So refreshing :)

[@6offdutyninjasN1]

He could've been better if he stopped the crowd from cheering

[@jamesgavin6171]

@@6offdutyninjasN1 Than how would we have known who won based on the applause of the crowd?

[@slotheatworld]

@@jamesgavin6171 Debates should be more about what's being said, less about winning.

[@brotherlyoutdoors6479]

I can’t stand cenk but at least he was having an actual debate and not just screaming at Ben for hurt feelings.

[@cult_of_odin]

He just normally screams at the audience to Google everything.

[@brotherlyoutdoors6479]

Big Boss lol he does do that

[@royalcrown7180]

@@brotherlyoutdoors6479 No he doesn't Edit: Nevermind I just Googled it.

[@derekjuarez9762]

All.cenk said was Google it. Because he didnt have the info to back his argument, he wasnt prepared

[@mrcrackdonald_1]

generally conservatives do that

[@Jacketsfan96]

“What is your ideal tax rate?” Cenk goes on a tangent and doesn’t answer Ben’s question.

[@WilddogAB]

to be honest, many of Shapiros takes on how the politicians don't come together to side with donors over party, and how Shapiro didn't think that banks gave people bad loans, because they knew the government would bail them out is naive or ignorance on Shapiros part. Plus, Shapiro, like Cenk are bought men. Just my take, even though Shapiro tried to make it seem as if he doesn't owe fealty to people who keep his show going.

[@geisterfahrer4169]

@@WilddogAB i mean hes a jew

[@William_Asston]

he doesnt know, so he answered the question in the best way possible, and id say he did answer the question in a satisfying way. if Ben, or any smart, rational person, was asked the same question, they would do the same thing,

[@anthonyglennmollicasr.425]

I don't think we will ever know what the ideal tax rate should be. Not a very easy question for anyone to answer.

[@anthonyglennmollicasr.425]

@@jamesdesilva9652 Ben comes across as a very angry young man, sometimes it's hard to listen to.

[@bstortz]

Cenk was clearly upset everyone didn't love him

[@bstortz]

@@BladedBear but but he got a solid 5% in his primary after spending the most money. I thought money bought wins Hillary?

[@guitarmusic524]

Nah, Water off a duck's back

[@richardholmes7199]

@@BladedBear Cenk is an anti-Mormon, anti-Mormons are unintelligent.

[@kizikiw1]

@@richardholmes7199 Mormons are born stupid, they're literally incest bred.

[@richardholmes7199]

@@kizikiw1 Could you provide some info on that?

[@aaronschutte7160]

I thought the back and forth was interesting but the crowd was trying to turn it into a damn football game.

[@EnigmaticDiscipleOfChrist]

Audience was like a wave constantly changing direction.

[@ЦветанГанчев-у4п]

That's why conferencel like this suck, I don't know how debates turned into sports - it's all about "owning" and getting the audience exited

[@ricklazio7923]

i dislike it when debators tell you to "look it up". as a debator that is your job

[@Tedthebear1]

😂

[@lewismescudi1404]

That's literally all of american politics

[@mr.three2one08]

Ben: "Hilary Clinton was The worst candidate in the history of mankind" Joe Biden: "Hold my- Uh... Uh...My Huh... CNN: "Beer?" Joe Biden: "No thanks I gave up Drinking." America: *Face Palm*

[@dylanoliveira9926]

Kevin plaza Trump 2020 🇺🇸

[@flastnoles11]

😂😂😂😂😂. This is only funny because of how realistic it is

[@drspicy9789]

@@flastnoles11 I think that's what he was going for

[@connorwhitemedia]

Thank you for this!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mr.three2one08]

@@connorwhitemedia *Takes A Bow*

[@sett6970]

Armenian genocide 100 years ago "we need to stop blaming Turks". Slavery in the US 200 years ago we need to blame people today. Am I reading this wrong?

@mo ali exactly! There was no Armenian genocide like these leftists love to say. they just need a new victim to showcase and win elections

[@tonyh9970]

Pretty much hit the nail on the head

[@ValdaRDulac-vm8jt]

All of you denying the Armenian Genocide. You should be the ones to have died.

[@ValdaRDulac-vm8jt]

mo ali You want to be petty? Fine. Fuck Mohammed, and Fuck Allah, and Death to Islam.

[@trevorjordan5256]

@mo ali, Ladies and gentlemen, the religion of “piece”. A piece of you here 👈🏻, a piece of you over here 👉🏻, an piece of you waaaay over there 👈🏻

[@brokensprinkler2678]

Who is that woman that is always screaming and seemingly for both side

[@hnholdings7776]

A Drunk

[@barnesmata2688]

Hahahahahahahhaaahah

[@barnesmata2688]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@JimTheKid]

A subwoofer

[@Davidka1978Xoroshiy]

Ben’s wife and Senk’s mistress.

[@EternityUnknown]

"You guys always cherry pick certain areas of time. In this very narrow window of time." - Cenk "I just went from 1952 to 1994." - Ben

[@hasanalifayzan]

And that’s like a glint in the timeline dude

[@notthefather3919]

@@hasanalifayzan in regards to the history of the universe maybe. But not when speaking about economic matters of the United States.

[@zachary7897]

@@hasanalifayzan that is literally going all the way back to a time when Democrats were right wingers, Jim crow was in effect, and modern conservatism did not yet exist. That time frame covers all of modern politics and a bit before modern politics.

[@hotwax9376]

@@zachary7897 Democrats were NEVER the right-wingers. Perhaps the Democrats of that time were far-right by today's standards (at least on race), but they were the left-wingers and progressives of that era. Jackson tried to break up the banks in the name of class warfare, just as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren seek to do now. Meanwhile, Republicans (and the Whigs before that) were the more conservative, right-leaning, business-oriented, moralistic party, just as is the case now.

[@GregFessia]

@@zachary7897 One of the best ways to build up the black community is to get a divorce from the racist Democrat jackass party. Trillions of dollars and decades of a sick allegiance to the Democrats have done absolute damage and destruction to the black community. After all that the Republicans have done to liberate the black man and woman from the vile clutches of the racist Democrat jackass party and for the black community to swear allegiance to their prior slave masters is just sick and wrong. I don't care if you all go join a third party or go back to the Republican party, you must divorce the Democrats who have done nothing for you all but ride you for votes and money. The Democrats have done nothing but keep you all in their inner city plantations and abuse you physically, emotionally, mentally, economically, electorally and spiritually. So, it's no secret that the Democrat jackass party has such an awful track record of systemic racism and it's no doubt that they are trying to correct their collective reputation but they are doing it the wrong way. Instead of trying to sincerely and honestly repent of their political, civil and moral sins, they are trying to use ungodly, satanic and demonic ideologies to sweep their filth, their cobwebs and skeletons under the carpet. Instead of making a contrite and substantial apology for their inhumane treatment of minorities, offering to make restitution out of the Democrat party's coffers and political funds for slave reparations, coming to terms with the fact that their party's brand has such a notorious stain to the point of disbanding and dissolving altogether and to make and keep promises to root out racism, they push this bullshit marxist critical race theory to the point where it further divides the American population. Innocent, non-racist Republicans and Independents have no need to allow crt in their lives and in the lives of their children. Godly repentance is sufficient for Republicans and Independents to root out sin wherever it is found in their hearts and minds, not satanic forms of mind and behavioral control mechanisms. The racist leftist Democrat jackass party has a long way in trying to salvage their evil reputation as slave masters and tyrannical dictators. Democrats have been actively engaged in an ethnic cleansing and genocide of the black community for ages. They enslaved the black man for decades, they created the KKK to terrorize and coerce the black community into submission, wrote/passed/enforced racist Jim Crow laws to segregate, prejudice, persecute and dehumanize the black community for additional decades, lynched both black and white Republicans for helping black people to obtain their rights, HEAVILY resisted the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s, passed the Open Society Act which destroyed the black family pimping black women into welfare dependent baby-mommas and then passed racist drug laws throughout the 1980s and 1990s. The racist white supremacist Democrat KKK slave master party has decimated the black community and has shoved satanic and demonic ideologies down the throats of the black man and woman such as the victim complex which seeks to make black men and women into dumbed-down, lazy, dependent, ignorant, ungrateful substandard to mediocre voting slaves and the gender confusion of the transgender cabal. All of which is designed to keep black people from excelling and achieving their goals and dreams and creating godly, Christ-like families. The Democrats have turned black people into hateful, vengeful radical activists to destroy the American population. The democrats have no room or moral authority to advocate for a racial community that they are guilty of erasing by encouraging and legalizing the abortions of 30 million unborn black babies. The black community has stagnated at 13% of the American population for decades due to such radical and racist policies. It is literally in the Democrat DNA to enslave and subjugate the black man and woman, reversely it is in the Republican DNA to liberate and magnify the black community.

[@jaygolden1885]

I wanna see a presidential "debate" where instead of civil discussion, the contestants actually fight eachother in an octagon.

[@lightlysal]

So, a normal debate?

[@user-wd8vp8mc6h]

Bro! That should be hosted by WWE! They would make bank if they did that

[@jlegasp]

Yo bro in this round both will die of a heart attack before either land an actual punch lol

[@nstice1]

Instead of cross country election campaigns they can just workout and juice all day in preparation

[@ryanlam7962]

So trump vs biden who would u go with? Trump wins in the first 2 rounds- 150$ to win 100

[@1Bruce93Wayne9]

As soon as you resort to insults, you've lost.

[@AnimeIsFire]

yup

[@yao052]

Nope

[@AnimeIsFire]

@@yao052 i guess you have never been at a debate then.

[@aspecter2839]

@David Hasselhoff No, being civil doesn’t necessarily make your ideas good but it helps in making your ideas look good and well thought out. Unlike other people who use insults in presenting their ideas, it doesn’t usually end well. It ends with both parties being angry with each other’s ideas rather than them finding their common ground.

[@aspecter2839]

@N A yup

[@KateH296]

I didn’t realize that this needed to be explained, but don’t insult the audience. Dumb move.

[@imaran1303]

To be fair, the audience were a bunch of idiots. Even Ben had to say 'Come on, guys. Let him say something before you outright boo him off the stage.' The audience were the type of dumbasses that I would insult as well: 'You guys weren't even willing to listen, I come up here, I haven't even said anything and you already boo me out.' If you, in the audience, want to be treated with respect, act respectful. You sound like trigglypuff 'STOP TREATING US LIKE CHILDREN!' and to quote Christina Hoff Summers 'Then stop acting like a child.' That being said, I don't agree with anything Cenk said and think that Ben fucking tore him to shreds. I just think that we should be more respectful. It is what I hate about these leftist talkshow hosts who fill the room with clapping seals to drown you out so you can't respond when he brings the all-too-familiar 'ORANGE MAN BAD!' line. You wanna respond? You have to wait until the brainless seals are done clapping and barking like mentally challenged monkeys.

[@muminmiah5587]

Neaah it's not impossible to have idiots audiences, and it's not wrong to insult audiences if themselves are not respectable audiences.

[@jacquelynsanchez9241]

Imaran careful, you might actually get accused of being a racist Lmaoooo

[@imaran1303]

@@jacquelynsanchez9241 Wouldn't be the first time, I just don't give a shit anymore. If someone calls me a racist. I ill call them out to prove that claim and if they can't, well... the ignoring option is also good for dumbasses incapable of basic reasoning.

[@realplayer54]

@@imaran1303 you sound like you do give a shit about being called a racist.

[@nikobellic7586]

When a person uses insults and "Google it" they lose by default.

[@___David___Savian]

So, when Ben said Cent was kissing Bernie's a** that is not an insult ?? Niko you are a cherry picker. I'll bet you'll consider cherry picker an insult. Figures.

[@nikobellic7586]

@@___David___Savian a little trash talk is okay. But using "Google it" during the debate in order to avoid having to explain his contentions is just sad. Thats not attacking the other person. Thats attacking the integrity of the debate. Why even have a debate then if you're just going to say "Google it".

[@___David___Savian]

@@nikobellic7586 Well...... to me the sadest thing is that you are trying to make me think like you as if I did not have my own brain. You obviously also want to lessen Cenk's opinions. Niko you are sad. But, the sadest thing of all is how republicans refuse to help people in need but are falling all over each other to pass bills to help the rich. That is the sadest thing. Any thoughts NIKO or did I just blow your mind with my knowledge ??

[@nikobellic7586]

@@___David___Savian you have your own brain but the critical thinking is absent. Makes zero difference to me what you think or stop thinking. It was not left wingers who say "facts don't care about your feelings" it appears to me that you think with your stomach and not your brain. Maybe this is why liberals dye their hair purple and think they're the resistance or "opposition" to "the system". Republicans you say? Last I checked Democrat states are doing far worse than red states in poverty and crime education and social services. I suggest you take a sit and ponder on your flawed world views and why its your fault that you are miserable and not that the world makes you miserable..

[@Johnnyboy200406]

@@___David___Savian pass bills like EV bills after investing millions into EV stock? Republicans notoriously give more to charity and donate to those in need more than democrats. Democrats think higher taxes equals charity and systemically democratic governed areas pay more tax but that only means republicans living in those shit holes not only pay that tax but they also STILL give to charity

[@okhappiness4773]

Why does the audience cheer every two seconds? It's so freakin' annoying

[@markusmatthew7044]

4 minutes and I'm annoyed.

[@jessebradford3900]

Yaaaaaaaaaaay

[@newera478]

American audience.

[@ItsStevieBoy]

Americans

[@huntermathias5353]

Yeah I know I just wanna hear the debate. I'm with Ben for the most part but even then I'd get annoyed when they'd interrupt and boo Cenk before he could even finish his sentence.

[@shade7414]

My favorite part is when cenk said “ you cherry pick very narrow windows of time” and ben goes “i just went from 1952-1994” 😂😂😭

[@Bozo_Weirdo]

People see this and honestly think that Ben ‘lost’ this debate. America is doomed.

[@kathlynweekes3273]

@@Bozo_Weirdo Wait people actually think that Ben lost

[@Bozo_Weirdo]

@@kathlynweekes3273 Yeah. This debate was referenced after someone said “all Ben does is argue against dumb college kids”. And the reply was, “and who do you think won that debate?” 🤦‍♂️

[@therealGuerrilla]

@@Bozo_Weirdo how did he win?

[@Bozo_Weirdo]

@@therealGuerrilla By being more cogent and correct.

[@bakabaka2061]

Sounds like Cent Uygur got owned.

[@coreymitchell8525]

baka baka just a lil bit, but I mean how can you not, it’s Ben Shapiro

[@ApartmentKing66]

Which presupposes that anyone would have him.

[@uberefficent3936]

if you say "owned" in 2020, you literally haven't left the house since 2008. Get some friends, loser

[@eddyrapino9071]

Imagine being Cenk and accepting to debate the GOAT

[@rossnunez3512]

Ben is not a goat, he would sell out Jews in the Holocaust for Hitler

[@poisonduckee]

Imagine thinking Ben is the goat. To be fair Cenk is jank but it's obvious why Ben relies on big oil donors to keep his business afloat.

[@samcampbell1351]

The goat who thinks a wap is a medical condition 😂

[@AbhishekKumar-lw8wp]

Hop off the dick dawg

[@ed-7135]

Ben: Hillary was the worst candidate in the history of mankind. Biden: *am I not a joke to you?* Edit: Wow, did this not age well.

[@poop_guy]

I like that not

[@cyco1973]

Biden: Hold my...uh, the thing. You know it.

[@sabinmessou6783]

I agree biden, needs to drop out, adam schiff for president the smartest democrat.

[@charliegicquel6610]

Sabin Messou 😂

[@alessiodelcastillo1613]

Biden couldn't remember Hillary if he tried

[@spaceghost6721]

Cenk is like we all built up my company together until they want to unionize,lol

[@mikekirkland2487]

🤣

[@iam4uk60]

When Ben says, ...”Again, I ask you....” Look out!! 😂😂😂

[@pokerone6489]

“You’re gonna pay your 35%” Nah they’re gonna just leave the country and take their jobs with them.

[@jacksoncoffin8214]

Already working on it

[@pokerone6489]

@Liam Love here we go…

[@wuhanlabtech3580]

The jobs will go anyway the young In America mostly take bullshit and "woke" college courses then bitch about the cost while In china the learn science and math .. here we try and call math racist .. With the young now america has 0 chance at anything

[@jacksoncoffin8214]

@@pokerone6489 I mean without tariffs he’s not wrong.

[@pokerone6489]

@@jacksoncoffin8214 my point is making corporations the bad guy and slapping overwhelming taxes on them doesn’t have the intended outcome you would hope for. And could even have negative results, like selling products here that are produced in China, under questionable methods and often at the expensive of the integrity of our intellectual property. Seems like you’re losing a lot just to say “I stick up for the little guy”.

[@chocolat917]

Oh I almost forgot... Ben’s wife is a doctor

[@sristammaharjan2347]

Hahahahah I was gonna comment that

[@markpozsar5785]

Also did you know he studied at Harvard?

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Ben is the ultimate douche, dishonest douche

[@paulchristho]

@@LukeMcGuireoides and you aren't?

[@michelerjgross7339]

@@LukeMcGuireoides well just because he’s a douche doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[@RandomChristianMusings]

I really detest Cenk Ugar. He makes my skin absolutely crawl.

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@Dana cerella Oh my gosh! I don't doubt it. Where's PETA when you need them? You'd think the animal rights people would be all over this.

[@Ronan266]

RandomChristianMusings it’s true he said it but he said it reluctantly and if he was the “benevolent dictator of the world”. So he doesn’t really want to legalise it

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@@Ronan266 I found the clip you're referring to. Yes, he did say it should be legal. he was using a horse in his example and Ana Kasparian was (cenk's co host) was grossed out by it.

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@Dana cerella Yes, no normal person would never legalize it or say it. Cenk is NOT normal.

[@dbakht3166]

Why?. What is the logic behind your decision. Or is it what he stands for.

[@jonakim2480]

Ben should’ve brought up the Armenian Genocide

[@roman6145]

Jona Kim thas bullshit get that fuck off the phone!!!! reasonable discussion. Steven Crowder is a legend

[@nikosarantidis2200]

He should of brought it up

[@altf4635]

@A C H This is the saddest thing I've seen in a while.

[@prennt57g99]

There was no reason to really bring that up in the debate. Ben said afterwards on Crowder that he was prepared to do so if Cenk dealt a low blow first, though.

[@battlingphoenix]

It was a relocation not a genocide stop spreading this shit, bear in mind this was back in a time when tribal warefare was seen as the most effective strategy for survival

[@eganrabiee627]

The last word Ben said in this debate was "history". Really sums up Cenk's debating days.

[@zacksmith5963]

Oh is that why ben was taken down by neil degrasse tyson in 5 seconds ?

[@Emerica771]

@@zacksmith5963 lol okay hentai boy

[@MunitionsDudTester]

The more Cenk speaks, the more apparent it is the less he knows.

[@GHE-bv1pf]

@Chad Chad Ben isn't the best conservative thinker. He is one of the best speaker.

[@grumpybastard9151]

The Turk is an infant.

[@bluebandit5586]

@Chad Chad all he said was "google it" - that doesnt make you a good debator

[@willywonka3165]

Blue Bandit it’s an hour long debate regardless of if you agree with him you can’t be so immature as to disregard his entire position

[@bluebandit5586]

Willy Wonka his entire position is to google it. I’m sorry hes your cult leader but his position doesn’t deserve to be held on an equal intellectual level to Ben. Not in this debate but he claimed the only people who understood politics are comedians and children. No, those are just the two groups stupid enough to agree with him.

[@lake_official4234]

Dude how does Ben not even crack a smile when he roasts Cenk 😂

[@sarahsmith1803]

Eric Sirias hm yes the guy that insulted the audience and began yelling “USA” in the middle is definitely the winner

[@sarahsmith1803]

Eric Sirias ??? you win a debate if the content of your arguments are better, not if people like you more. and even then, just listen to the crowd. literally people boo every time cenk talks, while they’re always cheering for shapiro.

[@uanonymous1090]

Ben is a BEAST!

[@not8brand]

oh cause he's out of his depth and just hoping people on his side still think he's actually smart....spoiler alert...the dummies do

[@ptrd4111]

Probably feels guilty for smoking someone with a mental disability

[@amandabarfield4242]

6:55 "You can't have quality of opportunity if you're dead." .....but by God you can still vote Democrat!!!!

[@Setres09]

Oh my gosh. You made me actually laugh out loud.

[@bigzaox23]

This comment right here, Is gold.

[@scotthall3040]

Lmaoooo

[@Abstract.x]

lmaoo for real

[@amandabarfield4242]

@AJ17 lol, wow! The only thing other than my actual joke, that made me laugh like this. 👍 Good job. Way to go! It's usually hard to make me "literally" laugh out loud, BUT....I must say, YOU accomplished it! Bravo!

[@229knogud]

I’m so opposite of Ben but I’m so intrigued by his intellect he’s definitely a wealth of knowledge great debate Edit* He is so quick with rebuttals

[@N0RTHE]

Not even a minute in and the crowd’s already giving me an aneurysm

[@perrywebb5833]

Well with Medicare for all charging business owners 91% you'll be taken care of.

[@nicholaswheeler507]

Woooohoooooooo!!!!

[@mycelia_ow]

@@perrywebb5833 That figure isn't based in reality. Most of the money to pay for it comes from the military budget.

[@perrywebb5833]

@@mycelia_ow well in general I was being a smartass so technically no one should be taxed that high and I imagine it comes from many different organizations other than the military.

[@Lavos2007]

@@perrywebb5833 it does, it comes from jsut about everything in actuality, no single entity is gonna be taxed at 91%

[@tubecrazy3000]

This is a debate. Not yelling or interrupting. Respectful disagreements are the most important debates. I got to learn from both sides.

[@jamesbizs]

Yeah . And constantly insulting the audience. So respectful 🙄

[@charlesnichols9952]

Thank you for this. I feel like almost every discussion I have with someone about anything controversial, they are just trying to be right and have no intention of giving my point of view any consideration. Both sides were sincere enough to admit when the other said something indisputably true. It shouldn't be this hard.

[@technophobian2962]

Debates aren't a good way to learn things. You will naturally end up agreeing with the side that presents themselves well and if one side is poor at debating you'll discount their arguments. One of the reasons Ben is so successful is because he talks fast, brings up statistics without actually understanding half of them and sounds smart.

[@goobermcgilicuty3754]

@@technophobian2962 Sure and learning from a one sided comment on KZbin is even worse!

[@bstaff812]

Turks got smoked, i see why he doesnt want to debate Shapiro again

[@jwr685]

Eric Sirias Ben annilated him.

[@ali.husain4008]

Turk was smooth-he never sweat. And he had to field all of Ben's insipid questions

[@jwr685]

Eric Sirias a debate is questions and answers. Ben was asking questions because he was wanting to know his policies. He kept asking cenk questions because he never gave him a clear answer

[@jwr685]

Al I. Husain I think you could say he sweat after Ben called him the prostitute in the situation where he was given 4 mil to start a business after he kept saying that the only way to keep the economy growing was to give money to the middle class to buy hamburgers

[@jwr685]

Eric Sirias I didn’t claim that. It doesn’t matter how much time he had on the mic becasue he can talk all day long but that doesn’t make him correct in anything that he is saying. He talked for about 8 mins at a time and Ben destroyed his argument in 30 seconds.

[@therealtalkpodcast223]

I come back & rewatch this every time I need a good laugh. I never looked at Cenk the same again after this debate. He came out so confident & thought he was going to have so many gotcha moments. He even said that he was surprised that this crowd was more on bens side than his. Ben destroyed him.

[@jamesstewart911]

This was nothing compared to his Sam Harris massacre lol

[@de_stroyed]

Ben didn't "destroy" him simply because the 60% (or so) crowd was on his side. They might've been 60% right-wingers already in the room. Moron.

[@eugenen1585]

No he didn't you delusional fool

[@AndreKing4]

We watched the same debate? Conservatives don’t argue with grownups to well

[@wayla683]

At least he debated him. Far too often it's just people calling each other communists and nazis on twitter.

[@tahajawad9492]

In case anyone missed it, Ben's wife is a doctor

[@Kalysta]

Who the fuck would be dumb enough to marry a slimeball like him? Pretty scary that they passed someone that dumb through med school.

[@JH-nl6bp]

Good for him, he’s proud of his wife.

[@blackgold754]

Oh thanks man that’s very helpful and informational

[@thandocezula9219]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nickverse3463]

Kalysta ikr so dumb, he graduated at 20 years old at Harvard. Do some research bum

[@My2Cents91]

31:06 He didn't build that company, every single person that works there did.. which is why he is so happy that his employee wants to unionize now. Oh wait.. he doesn't like it.. I wonder why.

[@Nymess]

My2Cents He built that company. He took on the risks of bankruptcy. His investors took the risk of a flop and loss of alot of money, therefore they take the benefits... Sure the workers help but they are replaceable, the investors and owners are not..

[@thenotoriousbigstew3550]

Massaquoi 💯💎🍉 yea he’s being sarcastic, he doesn’t believe in Cenk

[@khris6690]

Correct, he is a pro union union buster

[@Thedudenurse]

There are 4 things I am deathly afraid of: snakes, tight spaces, the Sinaloa Cartel, and debating Ben Shapiro!!

[@susanogranados5892]

You must be as weak as you sound!

[@trusharusa1]

😃😃

[@toddfisher7960]

@@susanogranados5892 You are The weak one little girl

[@susanogranados5892]

Todd fisher your daddy is a little girl!

[@Thedudenurse]

@@susanogranados5892 Your comment makes no sense so shut your libtard mouth!

[@thomaslouro2307]

notice how cenk insulted the audience and ben didn't

[@mp5447]

The crowd was incredibly biased, I’m on Shapiro’s side, but the crowd was one sided

[@dasda2e14]

It’s California

[@Joseph-vr3mg]

Fuck Shapiro

[@Joshua11Saragih]

@@Joseph-vr3mg nice argument

[@caviaporcellus7253]

@@Joseph-vr3mg aight then dont debate or attempt to rebuke his points

[@Onlyrealmusic4life]

Joshua That sounds more like an opinion than an argument to me....

[@mikeoley13]

5 minutes in and i hate the crowd already.

[@mavericks1460]

We want the crazy leftists who support bestiality/pedophilia and killing innocent babys on stage everywhere debating especially when they're up against someone like Ben. I say let Americans see how despicable they really are.

[@patrickjoseph6]

@Mr. Ace great comment

[@patrickjoseph6]

@@mavericks1460 another great comment....Thanks

[@marseille1196]

Mike Oley Why? Because they have an opinion of their own? Because they have some intellect on the topic? You people need to grow up, not all of us are as deluded as the left

[@mikeoley13]

Europa don’t care if they’re liberal or conservative they ruin the flow of the debate. I’d rather watch these two debate without the live audience.

[@Mojames1984]

Genk: (business is doing so well because) we just had 8 years of Obama Also Genk: the middle class is struggling right now

[@TdotSoul]

Both things can be true. Businesses and the wealthy have been decimating the middle class and therefore doing well. Businesses and the wealthy have been keeping larger shares of profits for themselves, and therefore wages have not kept up with inflation. That's people knock trickle down economics. Imagine if you're might class, and every business around you, in an effort to maximize their profits is raising their prices, even slightly every year. It's not just one business, it's your insurance company, the gas companies, car parts companies. Part of that pursuit of profit is also minimising costs, which can mean layoffs, or minimizing pay raises to you, their employee, so you're getting it from both ends.

[@eriksoto8473]

@@TdotSoul I think Ben was countering this with “promoting competition instead of bigger govt interfering with free economies”. After watching enough Shapiro I’ve come to learn his general attitude with govt and free markets... that free markets tend to provide lower cost-better quality commodities than govt distribution can. So I can imagine Ben saying: wages would outpace inflation if truer competition was promoted by govt rather than inhibited, which I can see him attributing to Obama. Not saying this is my opinion, just Ben’s.

[@wesjones6370]

@@TdotSoul over 90% of US businesses are small to medium businesses. These businesses are well within the middle class themselves, and do not represent million dollar owners or executive boards. The assumption that businesses are hurting the middle class, or that they are decimating them is simply untrue. They are the middle class. Only 5% of US businesses are incorporated, the majority of which are also sole proprietors or small business, and only about 1-2% are publicly traded with boards of directors and chief executive positions. The average business takes at least 2 years to turn a profit, and the survival rate of businesses beyond 10 years is about 50%, meaning the average middle income business owner will face a 50% chance of not being able to provide for their family on the model. I’m sorry, but both simply cannot be true. Cenk’s understanding of economics is extremely naive.

[@wesjones6370]

@@TdotSoul as a former financial adviser, having actual education and application in finance and economics, allow me to go over the points Cenk made and demonstrate the problem in his claims: Cenk is wrong on how insurance works. The healthy do not pay for the sick. The premiums cover the cost of insuring against a risk. The money made by insurance companies comes from investing those premiums. Which is why I could offer my clients health insurance coverage that for things like Critical Illness coverage that, in the event they never used it during their term, they got all their money back. Cenk is factually incorrect on how insurance works, which ultimately will lead to a failure to implement an effective strategy for it when the strategy is based on functioning in a manner in which the service does not work. Cenk is also wrong about the golden era being high tax eras. In the 1960s when taxes were 90% as he said, there were 4 recessions….and no one paid that. Federal records show that the average taxes paid was closer to 25%, despite it 90% tax rates. The records also show that only about 17% of the GDP was collected in tax revenue, while it hit 18% in the 1980s after drastic tax cuts, and the GDP grew. That 18% was of a larger pie. He’s also wrong about corporate taxes. The following studies have shown across the world that those corporate taxes were actually collected at the expense of increased prices, as well as reduced employee wages: Increasing taxes by 1% of GDP was correlated with a decrease in real GDP of roughly 2.5-3%. (David Romer and Christina Romer, 2010) eml.berkeley.edu/~dromer/papers/RomerandRomerAERJune2010.pdf A study of 21 OECD countries, found that income taxes are associated with lower economic growth than consumption and property taxes. Corporate taxes having the most negative impact. They also found progressive income taxes have a negative impact on growth. (Arnold, 2008) www.oecd.org/officialdocuments/publicdisplaydocumentpdf/?doclanguage=en&cote=eco/wkp(2008)51 Employees bear the cost of 30-35% of corporate taxes. Raising corporate taxes means raising taxes for employees as well. (Serrato, Zidar, 2016) www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.20141702 Analysis of Canadian data from 1972 to 2010 and confirmed that corporate income taxes are more harmful than personal and sales taxes. Indeed, they found that in five provinces, increasing the corporate income tax would actually cost provincial treasuries money. For Alberta specifically, they found that a corporate tax increase would be roughly three times as damaging as a sales tax increase, and twice as damaging as a personal income tax increase (Ferede and Dahlby, 2016). journalhosting.ucalgary.ca/index.php/sppp/article/download/42577/30459/ Increasing corporate taxes by $1 was shown to decrease worker wages by $0.95 to $3.85 across all ten provinces. journalhosting.ucalgary.ca/index.php/sppp/article/download/42636/30513/ A one percentage-point increase in marginal corporate taxes would reduce wages between 0.14% and 0.36%. (Felix, 2009) www.kansascityfed.org/PUBLICAT/ECONREV/PDF/09q2felix.pdf Data on 55,082 companies located in 9 European countries over the period 1996-2003 show that $1 of additional corporate tax reduces wages by 92 cents in the long run. (Arulampalam, Devereux, and Maffini, 2012) www.researchgate.net/publication/4998774_The_Direct_Incidence_of_Corporate_Income_Tax_on_Wages A recent study by Ebrahimi and Vaillancourt (2016) estimated the effects of corporate income taxes on wages within Canada. They estimated that a one percent increase in statutory corporate tax rates would lead to a reduction in inflation-adjusted hourly wages of between 0.15% and 0.24% (Ebrahimi and Vaillancourt, 2016). 
The Cayman Islands aren’t tax havens. The Cayman Islands are a rule of law state. It’s the protection of rights and ease for business thanks to these well defined rights that is why so many companies set up there. The country actually thrives because of this free market system which generates great tax revenue without burdens that hurt the public. Cenk’s claim that corporations give more than unions is moot, given that the top corporations are tech companies that, each on their own, are worth more than the entire oil industry in the US, for which over 90% went to his party. The idea that Republicans are bought by corporations is demonstrably false. It’s BOTH parties that are, just different corporations. And that is entirely the point of the problem. It just so happens that currently the overwhelming vast majority of GDP is generated by the corporations that overwhelmingly donate to Democrat candidates that encourage higher taxes and regulations. And this isn’t coincidental. It’s intentional. The higher the tax rates and regulations against those actually adhering to them, which the smaller businesses and middle class must, the less competition there is for those big enough to lobby congress to get exempt from the burdens they paid to get put in place in the first place. Cenk is wrong on what crashed the 2008 economy as well. Since 2001, the federal reserve artificially held interest rates at historic lows, causing increases in demand for loans. Backed by taxpayer bailouts through Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the investment banks had no incentive not to lend to the high risk lenders who knowingly would default. In fact, the incentives created by the very policies Cenk advocates made it so that ONLY those banks that invested in them would survive. Should a bank have been ethical and not given out loans to high risk borrowers, their competition would have, eventually swallowing their market, and buying them out to avoid default. In 2001, the rate of high risk mortgages represented about 10% of mortgage backed securities markets. By 2008, it was about 50% of the market. The direct intervention of the state caused this system to become unsustainable. The second the market took a downturn, defaults started coming in, to the point where entire securities collapsed, and the state had to intervene with their “too big to fail” mantra. This wasn’t the result of bankers paying themselves dividends (which I question if Cenk understands the function of). It was the result of interventionist policies and attempts to centrally plan the economy in order to help those at the bottom. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The problem wasn’t related to Glass-Steagull. It’s that Glass-Steigull didn’t apply to separating the government from those banks. His argument about big vs small government is a false dichotomy. Classical liberals and libertarians both oppose big government in all the examples Cenk gave. And for a reason. It is not a requirement that one address them based on application. The classical liberal approach to small government is to allocate the control to local levels, where politicians are in direct contact with their constituents on a small scale that is based on their community. There is always more than two options, and it is intellectually dishonest to reduce it to the sophistry of such a dichotomy. His claim about paying for education with the Iraq war funds is unfounded. The cost of free tuition was estimated try the Biden administration intent on making it affordable, at $750 billion/year, or half the cost of the entire Iraq war, which spanned 8 years. The cost of the war was $1.79 trillion, which amounts to less than $224 billion/year, or 3.4 times less than the cost of free tuition.

[@twochaudiomg2578]

i thought thay were saying Stink You have a G my mistake

[@reubensane5539]

Cenk is like this naïve college student full of idealism and Ben is like the Dad that walks into the room to try to explain to his Son the grownup world.

[@jeremygranfors9162]

Spot on lol

[@JMT1985MO]

They're both like naive college students who read a couple of books and thinks they're smarter than everyone. Especially that right winger

[@hbsupreme1499]

thinks can change

[@XixaSantos10]

Let me tell you something: In Portugal we have Healthcare for everyone and it SUCKS. People have to wait YEARS to have certain consultations and certain treatments. It's chaotic and it's inhumane.

[@hexstan179]

Ah yes so we shouldn't even try I see thank you so much

[@shoobyboy]

@@hexstan179 yeah...? If we know something doesn't work, it's generally a good idea not to try it

[@hexstan179]

@@shoobyboy so we tweak a design and try again, trying the exact same thing again would be stupid, you're right. You know we arent even a democracy technically right? While you're so afraid of a label just know the one we use the most to define the US is incorrect.

[@shoobyboy]

@@hexstan179 I never said anything about a label, but there's no reason to try to tweak something with which no variances have been successful when we can look at it with what we know works- a market based system. We know that it works so long as we have anti-trust policies; but people can't accept the idea that just because you call healthcare a right doesn't make it more accessable. There has to be doctors and nobody is going to want to go through a million years of school to be a doctor if they know they're going to get paid jack shit. It's simple economics.

[@hexstan179]

@@shoobyboy tHeRe HaS tO bE dOcToRs There isnt any now? We switch to free health care and what, no body new decides to be a doctor? You realize that if we just took 10% of our military spending we could pay for hundreds of thousands of jobs, add a small ammount of middle class tax, and add more to the one percent tax bracket. And maybe if multi million dollar companies paid their taxes when time is due instead of getting tax returns we could get a few more pennies I bet 😉 You're the one insinuating we start treating our doctors like our teachers 🤣 paying them shit for one of the most important jobs possible. Also, we arent taking away the market based system, we just think having to pick between (pay for food to eat for the week) or (buy this $100 rescue inhaler in case my child has a random asthma attack and could easily fucking die before medical attention reaches him) and guess what, a lot of people have far worse consequences and conditions than asthma. Also should the US be subsidizing the farmers for the Trade War (socialism) or should the farmers had known better that this was going to happen and that this is just bad over investment in China that ended poorly?

[@kurtkreeger4484]

Do you know what’s nice? Having a competent moderator. Looking at you Clay.

[@Cipher71]

Cenk lost the moment he started insulting the audience. Pathetic.

[@hadihassan372]

But he did make sense when he explained the topic he insulted the people about that is Keynesian economics

[@Cipher71]

@@hadihassan372 If you're actually correct about something, it's even *worse* to start insulting the audience. There's no need to do that if you're correct *and* it only makes you look like you're wrong to the people watching who aren't already on your side. Convincing the people in the middle or who are undecided of the correctness of your position is the whole point of a debate in the first place, what he did there amounted to nothing short of rhetorical suicide. I didn't even say whether he was correct or not, I said he lost the debate by doing that, which is true regardless of his correctness.

[@hadihassan372]

@@Cipher71 i agree with you

[@JC-rc3ec]

Cenk made way more sense than Shapiro ... the audience pandering or offending has nothing to do with ANY points made.

[@NN-qj4sk]

Bernie Slanders No he didn’t, he couldn’t come up with anything, he just complains.

[@victoriousmaximus1659]

Cenk's comments are childish, irrational and arbitrary. I admire Ben for keeping his cool.

[@aaronstasel8292]

I know this is old, but Shapiro never articulated the Laffer Curve. He makes the same basic argument, but never draws the connection. Do you I know who Art Laffer is?

[@mylynraevinton-spooner70]

Exactly

[@hughjassough1427]

Did you not watch the same debate as me? Keeping his cool? The guy was screaming, and hurling personal attacks literally every time he talked. Infact he interrupted cenk at least two times to hurl a personal attack. SMH you really have some rose colored goggles.

[@victoriousmaximus1659]

@@hughjassough1427 I did not ask for your opinion. But explain to me why Cenk barked at the crowd?

[@aaronstasel8292]

@@hughjassough1427 You honestly didn't see that Cenk was the instigator? He was completely rude and obfuscated facts to defend his rudeness. If you look carefully, you can see that this is the birth of "cancel culture." Facts don't care about feelings, my friend.

[@vikramnsit]

When you can't convince with facts, resort to theatrics and shouting.

[@GamingForGains]

Mike Jones like what? Can I have some examples of his cheap debate tricks? So I can look for them in the future

[@GamingForGains]

@Mike Jones your an idiot 😂 those cheap debate tricks, can’t give any? You get all emotional like Cenk?? Lmao start flailing your arms while you start shouting also

[@ogerby5589]

@@GamingForGains cenk literally said them if you watched. Cherry picking evidence, strawmanning, and deflecting among others

[@GamingForGains]

@@ogerby5589 Cenk might have said Ben uses cheep debate tricks. Might have even given a few examples. But not evidence of his so called cheep debate tricks ,But you and Cenk both forget the most important part. That is evidence. Ben is like the smartest debater ever. And you think Cenk did a good job? Shouting every time to get his point across. Bcuz logic never does it for him 🤣

[@ogerby5589]

@@GamingForGains Just because someone talks fast doesn’t mean what they are saying makes sense

[@lykou1821]

1:06 bottom left corner where the guy almost drops a screen

[@pchecksinthemail3371]

Ben's like that boxer that throws less punches, but all his punches land. Did you notice how many times Skenk chastised the audience and Ben never did it once.

[@InTheZ0n3]

Skunk ugyar

[@TdotSoul]

Well duh, Ben had home court advantage. Why would you chastise your fans. I could at least have given Ben a point if he had stepped in and asked the audience to be respectful, but he didn't even do that. I think Cenk did better, but then again, I also agree with Cenk's philosophies.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

@@TdotSoul : So, what, you agree with economic philosophy that doesn't work, especially when you apply economy of scale?

[@DoyleHargraves-hr5cl]

Well yeah. Typical lefty. Starts losing the debate, starts the insults and name calling.

[@tootsiemuah3572]

@@TdotSoul please tell me you didn’t just say Ben did worse 😭

[@droid0311]

Ben just KILLS you with facts. Very well composed and covers facts from not just present but decades ago.. and pulls the issues that have followed them

[@georgejones9521]

Cenk: "Ok wow there was a lot to respond to there so let me take each point one at time." Cenk's brain: "Shiiitttt..... "

[@kallioperobling3359]

I feel like Cenk spent way more time getting drunk in college than Shapiro.

[@user-vv1do1wg1j]

Imagine attacking the people who you're trying to convince.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

Ladies and gentlemen and everyone between (aka men and women) I give you, the left.

[@mpetkovic26]

Well debates are stupid if you wanna be convinced by one side or the other, you hear what both of them say you do the research you move on, just because Ben made this other guy look stupid it doesnt say anything about Ben.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

@@mpetkovic26 well Ben talks straight. He's honest about the reality of how some things work as opposed to how they're presented, uses statistics and facts, and discuses hypocrisy (as do most nonleft people).

[@mpetkovic26]

@@wastelandlegocheem yeah but he is not exploaring solutions, he critics but doesnt say anything himself, he'd rather be right in saying that someones wrong than saying ideas himself. Uses statistics like everyone else for his gain us health care he doesnt say how US rank in complete health system but points out cancer death rate or whatever.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

@@mpetkovic26 just because someone doesn't have the amswer to auch a difficult question, does not mean tbey cannpt explain what doesn't add up with other amswers. Actually, I think he or Crowder explained keeping healthcare a comodity but having more opposing businesses would help there be reasonable prices. When there's rival businesses, they have to make their own prices fit to be the preferable one. It allows more wiggle room for lower prices.

[@sam82154]

I bet Ben can't debate his wife like this. Cause she is a doctor.

[@bigsweetc6]

Ben “promulgate” Shapiro... 🤦‍♂️

[@zeenuf00]

better to have a doctor wife than three or four baby mamas - like some people.

[@enjoiyou8494]

300 bpm ok ?

[@twotone3390]

Really. I guess you take one line from a debate and run with it. I get it you might not agree with Ben but don't be uneducated and childish. Or plz do and show how uneducated you are.

[@enjoiyou8494]

@@twotone3390 dont be snowflake, he is just joking around

[@FallenHellscape]

Anyone who keeps saying, “Google it. Look it up” as the evidence for a claim…. Is woefully unprepared for a debate.

[@Mr.Fox.92]

Kinda like what the anti-vaxxers say

[@casper191985]

Google is a friend of intelligent people. Stupid people dislike being proven wrong..

[@gavins.5409]

@@Mr.Fox.92 ok

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

"Google it" Cenk says but he never specified what site you must visit. Ben always give site you must visit like Pewresearch, Department of Justice or other credible sources while Cenk just say "Google it".

[@drpepperwillseeunow7671]

@@Mr.Fox.92 actually its already known that young people who lack prexisting conditions have an extremely high chance of bein jus fine as for other people catching it many folks already got vaccinated so no need to worry and its ur body ur choice dont let people guiltrip u those who died from covid they blood aint on ur hands its alright we all good

[@Southernswag8283]

Crowd - “Boo’s Cenk.” Ben - to the crowd “wait a minute guys, wait until he actually says something first” 🤣🤣🤣 ben is a straight savage 🤣🤣

[@JBguitar-cj8pc]

So true lol

[@dgbd9030]

time step??

[@chocolat917]

I didn’t understand, is this some sort of right-winged conference? There was still some cheering for Cenk but more boos than anything.

[@chocolat917]

@BlackStar Boogaloo I watch Ben often. I know about Cenk. And Ben voted for trump.

[@Htiy]

@Briar Bumpous yea ill give you that.. I'm a leftie but people don't realize that rhetoric doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things, policy does..

[@cyborgninja5489]

I don't think this was a fair debate. Cenk is so locked into his echo chamber, how can he even have a discussion?

[@14joshyboi]

Why did cenk think this was a good idea against ben 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FASIL377]

wtf ! .despite the partisan fantasy on the comment section.... as if those two weren't evenly matched. the debate was informative, strong points on both sides, respectful...just cool! the audience was terrible as is the comment section!

[@gypsykingg]

@@FASIL377 - How daft are you? Cenk did nothing but spout out nonsense, just like he always does. Not only that, but he continually insulted the crowd. He didn't provide a single piece of empirical evidence to support anything he said. Every single example was either anecdotal or fantasy.

[@TheStealthFire]

@@FASIL377 if you see the 2016 politicon with Dinesh and Cenk, you'll notice an interesting switch. Cenk basically puts words in his mouth and strawmans the whole debate and the audience goes wild. He can't do that here because Ben is a faster and better speaker. You better believe Cenk is an opportunist who will pull cheap shots if his opponent can't crush his attempts.

[@calinnetin]

Good debate. Points well expressed from both, but Uygur did a bit better. Uygur lost the crowd by losing his cool when hassled; he should know better, and control his emotions when hassled. Shapiro just talks faster but stutters frequently.

[@yehudahimy7781]

@@FASIL377 facts people are so swayed by emotions and have no individual thought and are so one sided either right or left it’s sad

[@dario2rnr]

70-90% tax rates in the 50's and 60's? Nobody paid that because of the aforementioned loopholes. I remember reading in the newspaper in the 60's that one of the Rockefellers didn't pay any personal income tax that year. Imagine rich people paying 90% of their income in taxes. In what bizaro world.

[@gregtibbo9297]

There would be no incentive to get rich

[@j3pelfrey]

Did Ben say we have the highest corporate tax rates? According to the SEC fillings Amazon paid $0.00 in federal taxes in 2017........................Oh my god the burden on them is so severe how do they keep the doors open? How can you say that businesses pay to much in taxes given this fact?

[@kinghassy334]

He was trying to mislead, he's talking about tax rate which nobody pays because of all the loop holes. Cenk said talked about the effective tax, the amount that physical paid

[@homelander-enjoyer]

Imagine not knowing the difference between state and federal taxes lmao

[@Smokefrog-jb2uz]

Betty Alford and creates hundreds and thousands of jobs

[@TheTonihawksktr]

Corporate marginal tax rate was at 40 percent of income unlike in European countries where it is 20 percent it's a good thing because smaller and medium size companies have an opportunity to compete with the larger multi national corporations

[@lucuslopez6866]

Your not taking into consideration that Amazon was losing money for several years and wasnt profiting until recently. They also reinvest majority of what they made back into the company to expand on technology, services, research, infrastructure, jobs, and training. Even though its true they paid 0 in federal income taxes. It's also very misleading statement because a lot of people think that means Amazon pays nothing in taxes. Amazon pays billions in taxes to state and federal government each year to operate in the US.

[@BA-uj7nn]

This was a million times better than the presidential debate, these people actually knew what they were talking about!

[@RBZ06LT6]

Not Cenk

[@jetroar17]

Saying "google it" is not knowing what you're talking about. Ben was lightyears ahead of Cenk.

[@scottmcgregor2757]

Really getting into American politics_ Canadian here, what do we have......AS a neutral, is it me or why an i starting to see more i watch the more it seems all the smart people are Republicans.....

[@lilmsbliss143]

Scott Mcgregor cause most of them are😂

[@gabrielmoryoussef7368]

I swear Canadian politics is boring lmao

[@toomuchtohadel]

Because they are🤧

[@mdougf]

Yeah bro. I just started realizing this too. The left has so much cognitive dissoance that they just cannot make sense. They aren't rational or logical

[@tvman250]

It is because these new breed of Leftists are heavily reliant on conflating things that have nothing to do with each other. For instance, this all started by talking about health care. Somehow Cenk (fat guy on the left) was able to squeeze in abortion and the war on Iraq. In order to make the leftist ideology actually make sense, you have to do a crap ton of mental back flips between multiple subjects that have very little in common. This is why folks like Ben sound a lot more competent and smarter. He can actually stay on the subject and argue from there.

[@nicogeorge5817]

Both Cenk and Ana love to try and smear Bens name when it’s out of context. When face to face, both have fell victim to undeniable fact.

[@matthewwiley7136]

This is just embarrassing for Cenk.

[@daan260]

Matthew Wiley you disagree with him, that’s different. He has fair points. The audiance didn’t even give him the chance to speak though.

[@iRemainNameless]

Truly speaking, when exactly _isn’t_ an embarrassing moment for Cenk. What a mook

[@daan260]

@Grant Moore you can make better left wing arguments?

[@malinoisnation9392]

Realjoesilva he’s a hypocrite. He’s begging his employees not to unionize.

[@CG87343]

I agree, he got absolutely destroyed.

[@JDTee79]

Cenks reply to everything, “awww, that was different”..... this is what I call the “Friday” reply. Ice cube anyone?

[@steineken1810]

stfuyoulibs keep there heads ringing

[@bendub5295]

When cenk got home he had to explain to his wife’s boyfriend what went wrong before going to sleep in the spare room.

[@histman3133]

But not before he was made to watch his wife and her boyfriend slam one out on his bed while he cried in front of them.

[@jack07alltraits55]

😂🤣😅🤣🤣🤣🤣😁🤣🤣

[@mega77CHAVEZ]

DUDE😂😂😂😂

[@slocke1515]

You win sir….you won

[@zacksmith5963]

Nope . Ben just lost

[@richmotroni]

Ben won this debate for one key reason; Cenk uses over the top emotions,insults and grandiose gestures; Ben uses calm, straight forward logic. You don't win debates by screaming.

[@justinnamuco9096]

I love how the "con" arrow in the background points to the left lmao

[@evan11_almighty38]

HaHa😂😂😂

[@jpatrick3081]

They point both ways

[@justinnamuco9096]

@@jpatrick3081 really?

[@Alaska-Jack]

good eye.

[@zanestraight7650]

@@jpatrick3081 dumbass😂🤦‍♂️

[@mccdrew7012]

The lefts defense 100% of the time when someone makes a logical comparison: “That’s totally different” Never with an explanation of how it’s different.

[@hexstan179]

The rights defense is just shouting "fake news" so 🤷‍♂️

[@hexstan179]

28:00 Ben accidentally rekt his own argument against a higher min wage

[@mccdrew7012]

Hexstan I’m not seeing how that goes against his argument. Wrong time stamp or something? And I’d hate to break it to you bud, but the right tends to argue with facts and the left argues off emotion. I’m not saying all the left or right argue that way, I’m saying most. so before you hit me with the one anomaly leftist that used a fact once, I feel like I have to say that. When people talk about fake news it’s usually targeted toward CNN which has been caught countless times falsifying stories. So yes, if the news that someone reported was fake, then that would make it fake news. Nice try though, Chief.

[@hexstan179]

@@mccdrew7012 ok so for one count how many times Ben literally uses the "yeah but that's totally different" its almost like they are debating, and they use that as a segway to talk about how their point of view on the matter. 🤷‍♂️ Ben later chastised Cenk for making an extreme-type strawman, long after the opening where ben uses a very powerful visual extreme "so you're going to hold a gun to my wives head and force her to treat someone?" The timestamp was just to prove that Ben's feelings on subjects change based on what hes debating at the time, as he is extremely against raising min wage but just proved it work

[@hexstan179]

@@mccdrew7012 also if you dont think they explain how it's different it's because you just tune out when they start talking. No ones fault but yours

[@scotthall3040]

I've watch this debate so many times. It never gets old

[@mattdg1981]

So let me get this straight. Raising taxes promotes buisness growth and increases level of health care for people. Yeah umm. Whatever Cenk.

[@balistrieri1]

He obviously is to educated to update himself with stats.

[@ismth]

Raising taxes on the top would be incredibly beneficial…. And they literally wouldn’t miss it…

[@dayriser]

Dude is okay with a 90% tax rate... What exactly is my incentive to keep running a business?..

[@WrestlingwithPolitics8421]

@@shaun7hamilton because granted that the money gets redistributed to people who need it at and will spend it. This is money that will be spent on food, clothing, dining out, gas, bills, rent etc. The money flows through the economy, through your community. When money is sitting in a billionaires bank account, its not really going anywhere. He might spend 5 million dollars to maintain his lifestyle but that leaves 995 million which isnt going anywhere. Money that could be in the hands of people who need it.

[@AnonymousBoC]

@@WrestlingwithPolitics8421 That's not completely true. They invest in other companies or outright create new businesses to pioneer new and innovative ideas. We need new ideas and technologies to make everything easier and even more affordable. I don't think more money into the burger industry will revolutionize the burger.

[@donmooney21]

Weird? His business is booming because we just had 8 yet of Obama? But why I the middle class struggling? We still had those 8 years of Obama. Right? Weird.

[@jesusthemosiah6287]

Don Mooney how privileged are you that you think it’s a struggle to be middle class in America?

[@donmooney21]

@@jesusthemosiah6287 I didn't say it was. I was quoting Cenk.

[@TurnipCart]

​@@jesusthemosiah6287 How do you think people achieve middle class status in the first place? By working their asses off and dragging themselves into it. Many years spent on the brink between lower class and lower middle just trying to keep your head above water knowing you could be easily thrown back down if any major costs come up.

[@gollygeewonkers1151]

Turnip and you think that’s a good thing??

[@attilapataki46]

@Jacob Lewis you are missing the point... they want stuff for free because it grows on trees or something

[@Ralphyboy660]

When Ben speaks I check my playback speed thinking its on 2x

[@not8brand]

i play it at 2x....still not impressive

[@Crispylaff]

He is amazing at what he does.

[@Crispylaff]

@@not8brand what dies climate change have to do with anything? And idc if had a faux pas. Everyone slips. Ben is great at debating and having his facts together

[@not8brand]

@@Crispylaff he's really not...he's usually this bad...did you catch him on rogan recently...pretty bad per usual

[@silkroad1201]

Cenk has 3 arrows pointing at him that say "con".

[@thepoitinpimp9816]

There are at least 4

[@mongomymango]

Everyone shits on Trump for being loaned 1M, Cenk still like Trump bad.

[@mongomymango]

Chad Chad assuming that i support him, sorry i don’t know as much about him as you.

[@thistime2173]

@Chad Chad I would agree, Shapiro seems absurd and prejudice

[@DanEvan]

This Time please support that statement with a logical argument and factual accounts that would deem him as “absurd” or “prejudice”

[@SMoir-mr9tk]

I love how Cenk got booed right off the bat and just can't Relate to the audience in anyway.... unless he is insulting the audience 🤦‍♂️

[@realgood4543]

Well considering that they booed him at the beginning I consider it completely understable that he would act like that.

[@shaun7hamilton]

@@realgood4543 maybe for a child

[@Seattle-2017]

Well they would boo him while he was in the middle of making his points. He should not have insulted the audience that one time, but other than that he did well to stay composed and finish his thoughts.

[@justinarias88]

Cenk doesn't know what he's talking about...

[@EnkiGrey]

When the tax rate was that high NOBODY paid it because they just wrote in exemptions. The rich ended up paying about 20-25%.

[@TdotSoul]

That is still probably triple what they pay now, LMAO!

[@1961-v9k]

@William Jefferson Colin correct. I’m from the UK and my husband pays 43% tax and we’re far from rich, just hard working

[@levelwithz3779]

@@TdotSoul *A good short video on that.* kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKioamNtZdSomac

[@hyyde2161]

@@TdotSoul 🤨do u literally never keep up with simple facts, trumps not in office anymore, Biden raised taxes and it was one of his running points, it’s no suprise u watch young Turks

[@tylerwright7645]

If the tax rate ever gets really really high I just won't work lol

[@JohnSmith-zs1bf]

This video was my red pill moment more than two years ago

[@judealdred5237]

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you come out of it eventually

[@xizwhoa5254]

Cenk. The man that wants to make legal pleasuring animals.

[@BattleManZedd]

@@judealdred5237 People like Jude is why I was eventually red-pilled. :)

[@skepticstoic1]

Jude Aldred Nah hope you wake up to reality.

[@brettg82au]

Muslim vs a Jew. This doesn't happen often.

[@Chrisfragger1]

The Moderator forgot "Denier of Armenian genocide" when introducing Cenk.

[@ginodelgobbo9237]

I think I actually lost brain cells listening to Cenk talk about big government. Had to turn it off.

[@jacobnash7127]

Every time Cenk accuses Ben of doing something he does it himself in his next point. Freudian slip? He accused Ben of cherry picking and then cherry picked. Then he accused Ben of misleading and was misleading (at best) himself. The pattern continued for the entire event. He should take his own advice and not let his lack of education so obvious. He doesn't seem to understand circulation or investments at all.

[@Marvellite]

Cenk rubs me the wrong way. And I dont know why he feels the need to condescend to the audience.

[@Davidka1978Xoroshiy]

He was booed at a vulnerable time

[@not8brand]

yeah!!! shaprio never condescends!!!!!

[@M1ch02k4]

He was boo'd the second his name was mentioned and walked in.

[@FASIL377]

wtf ! they were heckling the debate. he said "if they were ......they should at least be quiet so he can be heard ". anyho ...despite the partisan fantasy on the comment section.... as if those two weren't evenly matched. the debate was informative, strong points on both sides, respectful...just cool! the audience was terrible as is the comment section!

[@pickcollins9910]

Probably bc the audience was full of Shapiro fans who boo anyone who disagrees with their kool kids philosopher.

[@cliftoncraddock]

Cenk: We need to stop with this whole "America is number one" thing. Also Cenk: IT'S CALLED AMERICA!!! USA!!! USA!!!! USA!!!!

[@beastbeats9159]

Shapiro absolutely dismantled Cenk. 😂🤷🔥🔥

[@jacobfromallstate4963]

Works well when the crowd screams for one and boos the other right off the bat.

[@darthalmighty6639]

@@jacobfromallstate4963 granted but Cenk either was extremely unprepared or way too cocky, clear as day... you know what maybe both

[@Heisenberg69691]

@@jacobfromallstate4963 The crowd didn’t favor Ben straight off the bat, they favored him b/c he seemed more reasonable and educated on the topic, where Cenk on the other hand was trying to pick a fight with the ppl in the room, therefore getting booed.

[@realgood4543]

Just switch the words Shapiro and Cenk and you would be completely correct.

[@Heisenberg69691]

@@realgood4543 How did Cenk destroy Shapiro😂

[@mrgetlaid0329]

I remember watching this live and it was beautiful.

[@davidma8386]

You just wanna take my money and my wife's services that cracked me up lol

[@toptiertech7291]

I just saw that and lost it 😂

[@dankfancy2535]

When you donate money to a campaign, they spend it on media. Come on cenk.