Why Spain wants Britain to return Gibraltar (But will they?)

[@PoliticswithPaint]

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[@jorgec.a3123]

You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.

[@rosslange1757]

Gibraltar very clearly has territorial waters and are recognised as having so by the international community. Why would you think otherwise?

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters

[@rosslange1757]

Is Spain part of the UN and does it abide by its conventions? I think it does.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?

[@AussiePersian]

I mean it’s hard to take the Spanish seriously when they have very similar enclaves in North Africa that they absolutely refuse to negotiate on.

[@Zeta-l4w]

yup, never gave it back to us

[@robr1032]

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

[@brandonlyon730]

@@robr1032 The Marinid dynasty would like a word with you.

[@b101uk9]

@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.

[@Zeta-l4w]

@@robr1032 nope, moroco existed befor spain colonised it

[@Partyrockscool]

Dude the BMW in the Balkans killed me

[@FOXMAN09]

I knew i wasnt crazy in thinking it was weird how many BMWs I saw in the Balkans lol

[@wayneinman1254]

Tell em to fuck off

[@History-and-stuff]

Oh my gosh, it’s the rock!

[@eastgermanballguy332]

da rok :O

[@nikolozgilles]

**Vine boom**

[@albertomunoyerro5562]

Best spanish rock

[@thejoelfromjonkoping]

I hate that you added that in

[@snazzydares8787]

@@albertomunoyerro5562shouldn’t have singed it away then in 1713

[@novedad4468]

Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.

[@littleshep5502]

The UK didn't refuse to return anything, they were given gibraltar in exchange for them pulling out of the war

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Refused to return? They GAVE it to us in exchange for peace?

[@yeahokbuddy2510]

@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever

[@Finnbobjimbob]

@@yeahokbuddy2510 Uhhhhh no?

[@rosslange1757]

I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants. Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.

[@johnborland6954]

I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.

[@MrYahboo]

That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.

[@martinrye712]

​@MrYahboo what a load of utter nonsense

[@johnborland6954]

​@@MrYahboomaybe you are right about their culture, but the people of Gibraltar want to be aligned with the UK not Spain.

[@MrYahboo]

@@johnborland6954 absolutely. I'm not saying any different.

[@metaphysicalfuck]

​@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically

[@FatFerret511]

“Much like a BMW in the Balkans” 🤣

[@RaulPerez-v2y]

It will come back to us. Once uk becomes completely Muslim and 💩, what is happening. You pirates

[@adrianmunoz7646]

Fun fact: when the Olympics were on I used to always think the GBR acronym with the Union Jack was for Gibraltar. 😅

[@thehistoricalmapper4928]

You should do the conflict over the Russia Kuril island with Japan.

[@castlerock58]

Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.

[@MichaelWerneburg]

When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!

[@MagicBrianTricks]

More similar to a personal union

[@sjeason]

I thought Andorra was technically its own principality which governed itself? Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s jointly owned sort of thing

[@MichaelWerneburg]

@@sjeason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-princes_of_Andorra

[@someguy3766]

Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.

[@salvadorromero9712]

As addressed in some replies here, this is completely false. Andorra is a constitutional democracy whose ceremonial heads of state are the Bishop of tiny Urgell, Spain, and the French head of state, currently its President Emmanuel Macron. Even originally when these two "co-princes" actually ruled there, it was still meaningfully distinguished from anything like being "governed by France." It was just another place where the same man happened to be king, and always would be. Andorra has nothing to do with the French government and never has. It is no more French than Australia is Jamaican. And with Spain there is even less connection. Pope Francis is closer to being in charge of Andorra than King Felipe is, and that's pretty distant! In fact temporal and spiritual powers of bishops, including the Pope and the head of the Knights of Malta, have always been much more distinct than most people realize. The bishop of Urgell is the only other bishop of any kind on earth left that has any temporal sovereignty. (Though the Knights of Malta head has a few of its qualities.) That is pretty cool, as well as the fact that the President of zealously republican France has always been royalty. (Until only a handful of years ago the people of Andorra also still paid in-kind tribute to their princes with a set number of hams, cheeses, chickens and goats, and so forth.) In practice the modern informal influence from France and Spain due to Andorra's size and location (it's almost a sort of high-end shopping mall, some only half joke) matter much more than the fact that their ceremonial princes happen to be from there. Almost nothing would change if they were a republic.

[@mattwilliams3456]

Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.

[@andmos1001]

Well at the very least, the dispute has remained peaceful for a long period.

[@ekothesilent9456]

Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.

[@ekothesilent9456]

Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.

[@Kervath]

@@ekothesilent9456 ... If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would gain tremendous strategic value.

[@lindseyg9666]

the Gibraltar population have had referendums and they wish to remain as a British protectorate.

[@makaveli2tt]

Very interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing

[@markaxworthy2508]

I never knew Gibraltar has been British longer than it was Spanish!

[@pedritopedrito_]

Eso ni siquiera es verdad

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@pedritopedrito_how long was it Spanish?

[@SuperJibulus]

@@pedritopedrito_disprove it then

[@MrColaKO]

It was part of the Kingdom of Granada before, an integral part of Spain.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@MrColaKO the Kingdom of Granada was founded in what year? Around 1500?

[@Dani-Nani]

One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it. This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port. This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it

[@adamlakeman7240]

So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave? Got it.

[@t.wcharles2171]

However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.

[@littleshep5502]

However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire

[@jorgec.a3123]

​@@t.wcharles2171But Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters or airspace, it's all Spanish

[@littleshep5502]

@@jorgec.a3123 Gibraltar has both its own airspace, and three miles of territorial waters, both confirmed by the UN

[@ordinal2361]

"At least my vehicles in War Thunder are safe" For now m8

[@ronaldderooij1774]

It seems that Dutch diplomacy failed. They helped conquer Gibraltar, organised a peace conference in Utrecht, and came out empty handed. Great work.

[@mrflibble9783]

It was agreed the Dutch could annex Gelderland which was occupied by France. Which probobly seemed a bigger win that the rock at the time.

[@DwynNWynns]

The Dutch don't get swallow up by a combine Frence/Spanish Empire. It is a good power play. Dutch can't hold Gibraltar anyway but England as a Allies controlling a key choke point is leverage in itself.

[@rrwholloway]

Continued existence isn’t what I would call ‘empty handed’.

[@VFella]

@@mrflibble9783 Had we known at that time, we would have preferred the rock. At least the simians there are semi-intelligent.

[@WilliamHall-l8v]

They gained a powerful ally who gave gareentee of independence plus I believe it was the first free trade agreement ever made between both countries and back then to get a free trade agreement with UK was better than any land why the Dutch managed to gain overseas territory due to the strong alliance they had with the British

[@Jin-Ro]

As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.

[@sophiefrancis8295]

@jesusbermudez6775Pa! We don’t just want planet Earth but the whole universe too! Every planet should be British!

[@Englander284]

​@jesusbermudez6775the world would be far greater if ruled by the British

[@ChrisCrossClash]

@@sophiefrancis8295Britain should definitely own the whole universe in that case 😂

[@zhcultivator]

agreed, British Armada when??

[@stuartriddell2461]

Only one universe? What if there are other universes? 😀

[@radoslavhandzhiev6977]

Great video! I will never shut up about how awesome and magnificent of a place Gibraltar is!

[@theraccoonnamedriver-bvn]

ty! - a furry from gibraltar

[@EduardoSanchez-ls5te]

Una mierda de roca que ojalá algún día vuele por los aires.

[@SirEnVo]

I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.

[@theraccoonnamedriver-bvn]

ty! - a furry from gibraltar

[@a4senal101]

12:30 The way you added ‘That is bloody lovely’ really got me

[@TaliyahP]

Spain: "Nooooo you can't have a peninsula off my territory" Also Spain: "Shut up Morrocco, those are integral parts of Spain"

[@toasts3054]

The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?

[@toasts3054]

@@Red-90 Morrocoy was created in 1956 following my western sources. I don't know what they teach you in a Moroccan school

[@toasts3054]

@@Red-90 also, you can't just use the word "delusional" every time someone says something you disagree with

[@Y.E.O.S]

@@toasts3054 💀

[@joshuafrimpong244]

@@toasts3054 thats cap

[@Gloriosus]

This is a well made, balanced and informative introduction to a complex situation.

[@MrColaKO]

I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships. People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area. I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock. But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.

[@FriedrichBarb]

Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea

[@joefer5360]

@@FriedrichBarb Lmao. Look at the Gibraltar resident defending their criminal racket.

[@FriedrichBarb]

@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever. Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate

[@JM-iq5up]

@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)

[@FriedrichBarb]

@@JM-iq5up ​ You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.

[@Kabutoes]

USA: “how come we don’t have Gibraltar?” USA 2: “we have Gibraltar at home” Gibraltar: *Guantamono Bay*

[@occam7382]

USA: "Ohhhhh, right. I forgot we had that."

[@LuisCarlos-cs3zq]

In reality, the United States does recognize that territory as part of Cuba, which refuses to abandon it and terminate the lease contract.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

Guantanamo bay is cuban territory leased by the US

[@indian-tech-support]

Nope you are just really crap tenants

[@RedXlV]

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Leased against Cuba's will, that is.

[@sudonum3108]

If it continues to be treated in the same way that the Falkland Islands dispute is I don’t see it being handed back to Spain. The British have allowed it to become a very unique place with its own tax regime. Why would the people of Gibraltar rejoin Spain knowing full well that it would make a point of stamping out its uniqueness to be replaced forcefully with a very visibly Spanish identity. It would be awful to witness such a travesty.

[@aloxpeexd302]

Yep but the majority of spanish people and our goverment we dont care that much about the rock we still have ports with a lot of comerce valor in the area, the problem is that gibraltar is one of the focals points of smuglin and corruption of our country, the majority of the people want to stop being disrepected by gibraltar and his agresive police of expanding their border and waters, that by the treaty of utrech is illegal. And more than one incident of envirometnal damage have been provoked by the british in the area, a thing that as you will gues dont make a lot of friends in the area.

[@Happyfor96]

its not going to be their choice :)

[@Lucas24997]

Spain has offered time and time again things like giving Gibraltar autonomy or even a corulership of the Rock, wich they have regected. For Spain the problem is mostjy that Gibraltar actively hampers the local economy by being a tax heaven and having less stricts enviromental practices that harm the enviroment and the quality of life in the area. I woundt care if they keep being British, but they need to start playing by the rules and not fucking up with their neightbours

[@littleshep5502]

​@@aloxpeexd302gibraltars current borders are recognized by the UN, and it's territorial waters are confirmed by UNCLOS. Both of these overrule the treaty of Utrecht

[@littleshep5502]

​@@Happyfor96it is their choice, no one other than the gibraltarians can decide

[@g111g]

"Whenever the British bayonet is poking me in the back, I like to play warthunder" 😆 😆

[@thetrooper9236]

We British enjoy fighting 🇦🇮🇦🇺🇧🇲🇻🇬🇰🇾🇨🇰🇫🇰🇲🇸🇳🇿🇵🇳🇬🇸🇸🇭🇹🇨🇹🇻🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@meritianus2076]

pero qué dices pinfloi

[@stargazer-elite]

And we Americans love our family countries 🇺🇸🇻🇮🇵🇷🇲🇵🇬🇺🇦🇸 ❤️🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺🇳🇿

[@meritianus2076]

@@stargazer-elite Decolonise Puerto Rico first, and then we'll talk about "families"

[@stargazer-elite]

@@meritianus2076 I wasn’t talking to you

[@meritianus2076]

@@stargazer-elite lmao don't care

[@gulyascredo]

I'm going there in a month 😆Very timely video for me. Thanks for the work.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Spain "we want our land back" Morocco "dude, you know i can hear you right wtf?"

[@user-cm9pt8bo3l]

Are you Moroccan?

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@user-cm9pt8bo3l no, I'm from Boston. I don't have an opinion on Gibraltar or Ceuta and Mellila, I was just kidding around.

[@glr4764]

Nope, Gibraltar is a colony according to the UN, Cueta and Melila are not. Also, pathetic chinese style 'whataboutism' is not a valid defense of the evil english colonial occupation of Gibraltar. You are welcome to litigate in the UN to have Cuete and Melila also listed as colonies but that is an entirely different issue to be decided on its own merit with absolutely no bearing on the criminal illegal English occupation of Gibraltar.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@glr4764 first off, fucking relax, i was joking. I couldn't give a flying shIt about any of the three countries involved. It's a KZbin comment not the floor of the u.n.The UK can keep Gibraltar, Spain can keep its North African territories, Morocco can keep western Sahara. Or not, makes zero difference to me. So take a Xanax or something, goddamn.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

​@@glr4764I was kidding around, relax. Don't care either way. I'm not sure why they deleted my comment. I truly do not have a dog in the fight

[@skeletonarc5377]

Thanks for the informative information thanks as always

[@jovanradjawane3003]

"But also calm my nerves as all my belongings are sent to the British museum. " 😂🤣

[@suburbanCyclist6]

I’ve never been so interested in buying war thunder than when you told me it could distract me from the British colonizing my house

[@GrassyHills202]

I could certainly use that! ''HEY JIMMY IT TIME FOR MURICA!!!!!''

[@tomirk4404]

First time?

[@ConanSoo]

It’s ok, they usually give it back, eventually

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”

[@MrYahboo]

Not that I support Spain in this dispute but that never happened..

[@tSp289]

Meanwhile 51.9% is an overwhelming majority and a clear mandate.

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

@@MrYahboo Yes it did? In 2002 there was a referendum in Gibraltar and 98.97% voted to remain under British sovereignty

[@MrYahboo]

@@ProjectEkerTest33 he must have edited his post. It didn't say 99.% before. It was probably just a typo but that's what I was picking up on.

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

@@MrYahbooThere's no "(edited)" so I don't think he has

[@stevens1041]

My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.

[@VictorLdVS]

They can't, they can only give it back to Spain

[@aloxpeexd302]

A a spanish i prefer even germany or USA with the control of gibraltar than the uk

[@VictorLdVS]

@@aloxpeexd302 Ni de coña hermano, Estados Unidos es lo peor que le ha pasado a España

[@littleshep5502]

​@@VictorLdVSthey could, if gibraltar so wanted. Gibraltar could also fully integrate into the UK, or declare independence

[@VictorLdVS]

@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.

[@LaVerdadeslaverdad]

What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.

[@stephennelmes4557]

Got back from a two week holiday in Gib yesterday. Drank enough beer to float a battle ship. Mad monk, Wembley bar, Skull, Aragon, Venture inn, Nelson, Quartedeck, all the bars in the watergardens and Ocean village. Back home now where I'm letting my liver have some time off. August is way too hot for me, try another month next year. Been in and out of Gib since 1980 with the RN and RFA ships and I love the place. ❤

[@oliversherman2414]

I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇮

[@twestgard2]

If exclaves are bad, North Africa would like a word with Spain.

[@jorgec.a3123]

It's not the same, not at all. To begin with Gibraltar is a recognized colony while Ceuta and Melilla are recognized Spanish land.

[@twestgard2]

@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war. Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain. And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior. Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?

[@twestgard2]

@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd. Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off. And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along. Other than that, lol, sure buddy.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.

[@jebbo-c1l]

its kind of funny how Spain at the same time refuses to give up its own Gibraltars in Morocco

[@novedad4468]

It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.

[@occam7382]

@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?

[@novedad4468]

@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other. With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.

[@xabitron]

they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same

[@jorgec.a3123]

​@@occam7382Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized as Spanish land, Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN

[@GrassyHills202]

Spain also has its Gibraltar in the form of Ceuta and Melilla + some other territories EDIT: This is a small correlation , I thought to put in just for fun since those cities are in a somewhat similar situation as in Gibraltar. EDIT: why is this a war zone?

[@hugino3535]

Spanish territories by 600 years given by portugal as a gift

[@Lacteagalaxia]

Inept about U.N Gibraltar is a DECOLONIZED territory nothing says Ceuta of Melilla .

[@hugomartinez2387]

they are literally not the same

[@hugino3535]

@@Lacteagalaxia There is nothing more colonized in europe as that peninsula, you kicked the main population and put british people on it, ceuta and melilla have been spanish territories since medieval times and the city was built by spaniards themselves, inept about history m8

[@houbertcanitio2199]

@@hugino3535 Not true Ceuta and Melilla were originally settled and colonized by the Portuguese "Under King John I's son, Duarte, the colony at Ceuta rapidly became a drain on the Portuguese treasury" "Melilla was initially jointly administered by the House of Medina Sidonia and the Crown,[23] and a 1498 settlement forced the former to station a 700-men garrison in Melilla and forced the latter to provide the city with a number of maravedíes and wheat fanegas"

[@kevinbrown5737]

Tell the Diego's to stuff it up their Jacksee

[@dwightschrute1914]

I'm seeing in the comments people willfully igonoring arguably the most important aspect to this debate - the opinion of the people living there. They have stated that they wish to be an autonomous region of the UK, so why deliberately sew chaos over the issue in a change of governance. It seems to be some moronic nationalism from both Brits and Spaniards as to who owns one small rock. Seems stupid to be at each other's throats over an issue solved by the people that live there 🤷‍♂️🇬🇮

[@occam7382]

You clearly have no understanding of human beings' capacity to be incredibly short-sighted and obsessed over a small patch of rock and dirt. We're funny like that.

[@dwightschrute1914]

@@occam7382 If I had a penny for all the times Nationalism led humans to kill each other over scraps of nothing, I'd be the richest man on Earth. It's a shame politicians and corporations willingly weaponise humanity's stupidity and hatred over others for profit. I'm unfortunately all too aware of our short sighted nature, and what a dark comedy we play for ourselves as a result :(

[@lynxfresh5214]

​​@@dwightschrute1914Here here! There's nothing wrong with being patriotic but when it's crosses over into nationalism (often fuelled by frail egos), it inevitably leads to senseless conflict over the most inconsequential of things just to prove a naive sense of superiority over other people by sacrificing your own people (logically right?).

[@alexx5992]

Because the original people that lived in Gibraltar was kicked out by the british

[@dwightschrute1914]

@@alexx5992 Ok? That does not represent the current opinion of the inhabitants of Gibraltar though, and the people currently in Gibraltar wish to stay as an autonomous area of the UK. If anyone can really argue that Gibraltar should be returned to Spain, even if the people living there do not want to, by that logic, Calais should be English because it was stolen by the French, Kaliningrad should be returned to Germany because it was taken by the Russians, and Texas should be returned to Mexico because it was taken by the Americans. You could suggest all these things and other insane ideas, all of which would cause unrest and wars all across the world, or people could just listen to the population of the regions they live, and give them representation based upon that consent, rather than giving into this strange revanchist doctrine that nationalists seem all too keen to bring in.

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

"The Rock"

[@שמעוןאייזנברג-צ3כ]

Good video as always

[@mouseanalyse]

“Much like a BMW in the Balkans…” oh man this is hilarious! 😂 I almost choked in my morning coffee! You have a new subscriber.

[@davidrussell8689]

Informative and humorous ! Well done .

[@Deltaflot1701]

Spain always talks big about Gilbratar, and how unfair it is that the English keep control of it, but never eve mention Ceuta, Melilla, and the 11 or 13 (depends on what you count)Plazas de soberanía. Spanish territory in Morroccan land or waters

[@antoniojavieraranda9351]

Not the same, pls read the history of those places and then the Treaty of Urtrech before saying nonsense.

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 How they came to being is irrelevant. The fact that Spain holds foreign land, with Spanish Citizens, with no give in sight over those territories makes Spain look bad when asking Britain to give back Gibraltar.

[@antoniojavieraranda9351]

@@Deltaflot1701 It's not irrelrvant. Inform yourself.

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 I have. Article X of the Peace of Utrecht that Gibraltar belongs to the UK in Perpetuity. That no interference be caused by Gibraltar in Spain’s communications with Cueta. That Roman Catholic lbs be given freedom in Gibraltar. That Spain had some say in what trade occurred in Gibraltar. That Jews and Moors were not to be allowed to live in Gibraltar. There is nothing in Utrecht that says anything about Spain be given sovereignty back. This every time that Spain put Gibraltar under siege, they were attempting to break this treaty. Please tell me where I am uninformed?

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 Ceuta was a Portuguese city until the Spanish used then Iberian union to take it from them when Portugal managed to separate itself from Spain. It’s considered sovereign Spanish territory just like the UK considers Gibraltar part and parcel of the UK. If you’re going to attack my position, have a better argument than “read this that and the other thing before saying nonsense”. I recommend you do just that yourself

[@adamlakeman7240]

From 414AD to 711AD (297 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Visigoths From 711AD to 1462AD (751 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Almohads From 1462 to 1713 (251 years) Gibraltar was owned by Spain From 1713 to the current year (310 years and counting) Gibraltar has been owned by Great Britain At this point it's been British longer than it was ever Spanish.

[@randomguy6152]

they claimed it the entire time however and they just kept losing why should they lose their claim if they never accepted total defeat

[@VictorLdVS]

That's a stupid argument

[@cian9816]

@@VictorLdVS it really isnt

[@VictorLdVS]

@@cian9816 It really is, time doesn't change anything in this case.

[@adamlakeman7240]

@@VictorLdVS No stupider than "it's near us and anyway you let jews live there so the treaty we signed to let you have it is null and void"

[@BlueEye-bb2ub]

British should not return Gibraltar to Spanish Spanish should return Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco free Catalonia 🇬🇧

[@AbelPeña2067]

Free Scotland Free Wales, Free the whole Ireland and Free Isle of Man

[@KazeHorse]

@@AbelPeña2067they are free. So free that you can go and check the latest snp vote numbers and you are free to have a little cry about it 😂

[@ahones2255]

Gibraltar is nothing other than a non-self-governing territory, subject to the process of decolonisation, in two words: a colony. It was included on the UN list of territories to be decolonised in 1963 and has remained there ever since. Since that year, therefore, the UN Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, the so-called Committee of 24, has included it among the territories within its competence. In 1964 this Committee reached a consensus on the situation in the Non-Self-Governing Territory of Gibraltar urging the United Kingdom and Spain to begin talks without delay in order to find a negotiated solution. The following year the General Assembly endorsed the terms of the consensus and invited both nations to begin such talks. Year after year the UN has maintained this mandate to the two states, which therefore remains in full force and effect. It is also worth noting that the UN calls for decolonisation in accordance with the principle of territorial integrity and not by virtue of any supposed right of self-determination of a hypothetical Gibraltarian ‘people’ (indeed, in 1967 it condemned the referendum held in Gibraltar). It does state that the interests of the people of Gibraltar must be heard. They have an excellent channel for that: the British Government. negotiations on sovereignty are a matter for London and Madrid alone. In short, for the UN what we have is a colonial situation that must be brought to an end. Disputes between countries must be resolved in accordance with international law, not on the basis of the proclaimed will of a people. The British have always abused our good faith and our moments of weakness. Spain voluntarily established a neutral zone, while maintaining its exclusive sovereignty. In 1815, for humanitarian reasons and because of a yellow fever epidemic, the British were authorised to use it temporarily to build a sanitary camp, but this zone was never returned. The airport was built in 1938, in the middle of the Spanish Civil War, on the usurped isthmus, under the misleading name of ‘emergency landing strip’, later converted into an aerodrome, airport and finally, an air base. The fence had to be opened in 1986 because of the risk of the British exercising their veto on Spain's entry into the EU.

[@littleshep5502]

" It is also worth noting that the UN calls for decolonisation in accordance with the principle of territorial integrity and not by virtue of any supposed right of self-determination " False. The UN calls for decolonisation using Resolution 1514. Article 2 - All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. Article 5 - Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom The only mention of territorial integrity comes within article 6 - Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations - Meaning that if the UK attempted to disrupt the integrity of Gibraltar it would be illegal. Therefore, the UK insists that the people of Gibraltar give permission for any talks. Spain was fine with this spanning between 2005 and 2010, when they eventually withdrew from this in 2011, making any efforts of negotiations moot. Overall, self determination is not only a human right, but also one of the most valued UN principals. The current stance of the UN is that the aspirations and interests of the Gibraltarians that are legal under international law (self determination, national waters ect) are to be upheld. Thus, Gibraltar is the only one that can choose its fate, be it full integration with the UK or Spain, status quo, or independence As an aside, the Isthmus belongs to Gibraltar using the laws of Territorial Acquisition. They are Gibraltarian via prescription and effective occupation.

[@tercomada]

​@@littleshep5502como se nota que eres británico Poco más que justificas el robo

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

How do you define "resolving" the issue? Because as far as the British (including the Gebraltarians) are concerned, it's been resolved for over 300 years. What has Britain or the people who live in Gibraltar got to gain from any of these negotiations? To stop Spain constantly complaining? Somehow I don't think that's worth it.

[@jabato9779]

It is not resolved from the Spanish point of view, as Northern Ireland is not resolved for many Irish. UK is an expert in planting the seeds of discord across the globe: Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, Israel-Palestine, Pakistan-India, Iraq-Kuwait, Rhodesia, South Africa, Falklands, etc, etc, etc.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@jabato9779 The Spanish seem to define "resolved" as "Gibraltar is handed over to Spain"... But that is contrary to the British position and would again leave the matter unresolved. Ergo there can be no "resolution" when there are only 2 real options and the 2 sides are diametrically opposed. Now as the as the Penisnular is currently British, has been British for longer than it's been Spanish and the residents identify as British, what good would it do discussing the matter any further? And as you mention it, it's even more clear cut on the matter of the Falklands. Other than a brief 10-week spell in 1982, the islands have never been Argentinian. And Argentina claiming land to which belonged to someone else first, of which the inhabitants have made it quite clear they don't want to be Argentinian, all under the guise of "decolonisation" is rather hypocritical.... Not to mention their own colonialisation of regions such as Patagonia.

[@jabato9779]

@@sergarlantyrell7847 Time of possession is absolutely a bogus, invalid and arbitrary argument. Same could be applied to Ukraine under the Russian empire and many other cases. Reasons behind that possession is what should be discerned.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@jabato9779 So all borders that were decided by wars throughout history are invalid? We're going to need to redraw the entirety of Europe then! Personally, I'm looking forward to getting Normandy etc. (that the French stole in the 100 years war) back! And if Ukraine had been part of the Russian empire/federation for the past 300 years AND that was backed up by free elections showing they very much wanted to be Russian, then we'd probably all consider it part of Russia. But the Ukrainians have emphatically proved that they don't want to be Russian.

[@zigongosaurus5274]

​@jabato9779 Okay well here's the "reason" behind the possession of several British territoties: Gibraltar - Ceded by Spain in perpetuity following a successful capture of the territory and the failure of the Spanish to siege it back Northern Ireland - Remained part of the UK to bring an end to the Irish Civil War Falklands - Has had British people on it longer than Argentina has been on any map, successfully defended in 1982

[@cueball6969]

I thought the idea of 'decolonisation' was to give people the right to determine their own path? The people of Gibraltar have spoken; I care more about what the people have to say than some committee does Same goes for the Falklands and other territories that are happy with their arrangements

[@4ebees]

This is the bit people miss all the time. Spain: "Oh, oh, give us this place we signed over centuries ago. We've changed our mind and don't like those contracts now. DECOLONISE" UK: "Okay. We'll ask the locals what they want to do. All part of the 'decolonising' process." Spain: "Who cares what they want" Exactly.

[@AnthonyWilliams-vh1ds]

I enjoy that you have a British sense of humour 🤣

[@sgtderp1]

Hilarious ad, loved it as a brit!

[@weeguy52]

"Gentlemen, welcome to the rock" - John Patrick Mason

[@T3-Movies]

3 hours early. Great video 😊

[@cyrusthegreat7030]

It should belong to the persian empire glory to Eranshahr.

[@NativeVsColonial]

What? From where did Persia came here? The Morocco may have some rights in Gibraltar, but Iran?

[@atrebuchet5267]

This is true it is clearly rightfully a part of the independent economic kingdom of anarchist Atlantis.@@NativeVsColonial

[@d333my]

It’s quite simple, but some Spanish still struggle: Why would the UK give it up when the people living there don’t want to, and ultimately it was ceded to the UK by a legitimate treaty? The same cannot be said of Spanish colonies on the north coast of Africa, but the Spanish gloss over that.

[@pmp05]

What colonies??? We handed every colony back to Morocco after the Ifni War, and then Moroccans started acting expansionist with our territories, first with the Sahara and now they are making fake claims with our cities of Ceuta and Melilla, which have been Spanish since the XV century (before the concept of colonialism even existed). I can accept the UK controling Gibraltar but they shall also aknowledge that they are in the Iberian Peninsula and they occupied the land in our Sucession War, the compromise I can accept with them is giving the same status of autonomous city of Ceuta and Melilla, and letting them do their stuff

[@joshuafrimpong244]

@@pmp05 those are true claims, except for Melilla which was never ruled by a Moroccan ruler, and Gibraltar is allowed to do its own thing. It is British territory

[@nosirve9458]

You mean the Treaty that was signed between English and French because the king of Spain died and had no succesors? Oh yes, totally legimitate.

[@KazeHorse]

@@nosirve9458if it wasn’t legitimate, it wouldn’t have stood for over 300 years. But feel free to cry about it (quietly and alone), cheers.

[@NUSORCA]

They can try: Gibraltar stays with the UK but the Uk has to give Northern Ireland to Spain

[@robertofulton]

Can we give them the Scottish too?

[@loganjeffrey4136]

​@@robertofulton I would that means I can just move to Spain lol

[@DerekLangdon]

@@robertofulton I bet you didn’t know that the Cornish invented football. But instead of playing with leather balls, they used Englishmen’s heads!

[@stephennelmes4557]

​​@@DerekLangdonSlly boy. Remembe, you and the world speak my language, English but not many people in Cornwall speak Cornish. Cornwall ...Corn = Kernow - Wall = Waelas meaning stranger slave or foreigner.

[@columbannon9134]

What is wrong in your dumb head ....the north of Ireland will going be part of the rest of the island of Ireland, not a trade deal like slavery....Britain should give back all their claimed places back like Gibraltar, and Islas Malvinas ( Falklands islands)

[@jameswilkinson9964]

you had me with 'The Rock'

[@concor10]

The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med. the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons. But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.

[@robertofulton]

It’s not really a problem that needs resolving though. 2 sides out of three consider the situation to be resolved…..thus it’s resolved.

[@aleksandersokal5279]

@@robertofulton It reminds me of that meme where a couple is hanging out and some rando asks "is there not someone you forgot to ask?" and Spain is acting like that guy a lot.

[@xergiok2322]

So why does it need resolving?

[@abyssaljam441]

The British isles do have some very good beaches in the summer so that's not that surprising

[@briaryos1]

"Gibraltar must be decolonised!" "And Ceuta? Does Ceuta also need to be decolonised?" "Grrrrr."

[@abelmoreno7630]

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

[@LTSneed]

Ceuta and Melilla are not colonies

[@briaryos1]

@@abelmoreno7630 They were ceded to Spain in 1668 -- just 45 years before Utrecht. Those who wish to find a difference will find it, and consider it significant enough. It's self-serving.

[@briaryos1]

@@LTSneed of course not. They are simply territories that have belonged to a particular country for 300 years, are separated by a body of water, and contiguous to another country. Just like Gibraltar.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

@@abelmoreno7630Britain backed the winning side in the War of the Spanish Succession - 1701-1715 - which sank all it's combatants in massive debt. Philip V compensated his allies with various trade and territorial concessions. Part of Britain's cut was Gibraltar. So, Spain _gave_ Gibraltar to Britain and has been trying to welsh on the deal ever since. By the way, I notice that this comment is posted word for word higher up the page under a different username. Sock puppeting is bad!

[@MyLittleMagneton]

"give back" lol, it's been British for longer than it's been Spanish.

[@user-cm9pt8bo3l]

False

[@KazeHorse]

@@user-cm9pt8bo3lall evidence says it’s true.

[@user-cm9pt8bo3l]

@@KazeHorse Hahahahahaha! Get a History Book.

[@KazeHorse]

@@user-cm9pt8bo3l “the Spanish were mopped by the British so badly that they lost a strategic piece of land for over 300 years despite only having been a country for 250 years. They never did stop crying about it.” - history book.

[@user-cm9pt8bo3l]

@@KazeHorse Hahahahahahahaha!

[@Kanmeii]

As a Spanish person, any spaniard that actually knows about economy will know that Gibraltar being British is actually better than it being Spanish. Spanish people go there for work and since the UK is better economically speaking than Spain, it's benefitial. If Spain gets better economically than the UK (which I doubt) then things would start to be different.

[@quimera7012]

Como decirtelo, es como si me dijeras que un mosquito chupandote la sangre es bueno por que al mismo tiempo q te roba la sangre te mete un tranquilizante para que no la sientas... Que Gibraltar y los gibraltareños estan de bonanza economica? por supuesto, son un paraiso fiscal que no pagan impuestos, pero eso no significa que generen riqueza, mas bien empobrecen toda la zona de la bahia de Algeciras, q debido a la falta de control unitario maritimo, al desorbitado precio de los productos gibraltareños y a que se lleva toda la inversion, tiene deprimido a La línea y Algeciras, cuya poblacion en muchos casos se dedica al trapicheo o a la venta de drogas, asique no, no es que españa tenga que mejorar la economia por los gibraltareños, es que los gibraltareños hunden la economia de la zona por su situacion particular, asi que ahí va otro motivo para retomar un territorio que en toda su hsitoria nunc les ha pertenecido

[@user-cm9pt8bo3l]

It's exactly the other way around. According to all statistics, unemployment levels rise as towns get closer to Gibraltar. You have to go a dozen kilometers away to find a normalized economy. It's like a tumor.

[@Kanmeii]

@@user-cm9pt8bo3l Really? If that’s the case then my opinion on the matter would change.

[@FlynnGreenfield]

Yay, more stuff for the British museum🎉🎉 5:07 😂😂😂😂

[@ZenioDovgj]

Wonder why Marocco doesn't want to take part in the dispute 🤣

[@DiegoGarcia-en4sf]

Because they are two different cases. Gibraltar was robbed, Spain has Ceuta and Melilla way before the country of Morocco and Moroccan identity were created

[@Matt-tx1tc]

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf Robbed? Lost in a war and gave away in a treaty is a stretch from getting "robbed"

[@moatazyacour9971]

​@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfbroo goo to the library and learn the true history hahhahaha morocco ( al maghrib al aqsa ) existed before spain and ceuta and mellila were part of him

[@SnorriTheLlama]

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfThey are two different cases because you want to justify them as such, whilst the two have some key similarities. Both involve a local population that identifies more closely with the culture and nationality of a far away mainland, instead of the country right next to them that they share a land border with. The inhabitants of both, which were also born there, want to remain with their current national identity. If Spain is smart, they will build closer ties so Gibraltar inhabitants become more closely aligned with them over a generation or two. They should probably start that right about now, or ideally 50 years ago. Would resolve a lot of political headaches for the UK if the people of Gibraltar wanted to join Spain, so the ball is in the Spanish court to win the local opinion.

[@nosirve9458]

@@moatazyacour9971 Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies. I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.

[@enriquecsmccourt]

Gibraltar is the tax haven, not of England, but of Spain. It is much better than Andorra, and in it there are thousands and thousands of companies of “Spanish capital”, which maintain all this scam. Otherwise, it is hard to understand how a town of thirty thousand inhabitants is capable of producing 2,600 million euros. After Luxembourg, it is the richest region of continental Europe, 82,000 euros per llanito. Go and see if it gives that impression.

[@louisurquhart9466]

i mean luxembergs gdp per capita is still way higher with those statistics

[@MrYahboo]

Very first line... "...known for its great food..." Where's the 'great food' in Gib? I'd love to know, given that I work there.

[@asdrattyler1906]

Compared to British food it's divine 🤣🤣🤣

[@spicycrusader]

Please, I've lived here all my life and I'm still yet to find a decent restaurant with good service... (Edit: The Indian food does go kinda hard here though, way better than in mainland UK imo)

[@Ultimate_Hater75]

So Britain sent people not from Spain to Gibraltar that will obviously vote for them. Huh, seems familiar recently

[@JimmyM1975]

Great video

[@markdowding5737]

Spain when talking about Gibraltar: "It's our territory! It was unlawfully ceded to Britain over 300 years ago and we want it back regardless of what the locals think Spain when talking to Olivença: "Doesn't matter if we are legally bound to return the territory to Portugal one day. The locals want to keep being part of Spain so we should prioritize their wishes"

[@adriancampos8640]

The treaty said Uruguay for Olivenza.

[@JohnDoe0801]

​@@joaocosta3374your mum is based. Based in a brothel 😂

[@nosirve9458]

Spain was going to return Olivenca but Portugal attacked Uruguay. But yes, as a spaniard, if you really care so much why not.

[@chumleyk]

You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.

[@ignaciocriado]

If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.

[@Hilts931]

Spain actually agreed to hand over Gibraltar to the British, though. Morocco didn't.@@ignaciocriado

[@ignaciocriado]

@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with. Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.

[@Hilts931]

@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.

[@MoroccoCountryballs]

Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state. And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down. Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him. The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here. If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well. Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly

[@heptaniko]

Seeing comments of the Anglos giving their poor opinion about why Gibraltar should be British and having the balls of compare it to Ceuta and Melilla makes me seriously question his intellectual level, It seems that the lack of sun, the dental care, and the emerging new caliphate in UK is leaving consequences there hahaha

[@zigongosaurus5274]

Seeing comments of Spaniards saying why they should own Gibraltar even though they signed a treaty 311 years ago explicitly stating Britain would own it FOREVER makes me seriously question their intellectual level. Maybe the immense skill issue Spain has had since 1806 is leaving consequences hahaha

[@heptaniko]

@@zigongosaurus5274at least you try to reply, but not even far bro

[@asullivan4047]

Spain is a washed up imperialist nation. Has been for (250)years. British laid claim & re established that region. Spain only had territory taken from it. Never shared with another nation. Now they want to whine about the loss-!!!

[@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373]

​@@heptaniko the Deigos want Gib because it reminds them of all their defeats and loss of empire at the hands of Anglo Saxons

[@joepopplewell680]

If you had an actual retort you would've commented that.

[@AtlasMap]

very interesting, good video ❤

[@Skyfire-x]

"Much like a BMW in the Balkans..." 🤣

[@usamabhatti903]

Creating endless disputes is in the nature of the British colonisers and their successor , the Great US colonial empire. They made Israel on a land that belonged to Arabs and Palestinians from 700 AD, made Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and Europe, and Gibraltar belongs to Spain, it has always been a part of Spain, but yes no one can change the nature of these colonisers.

[@zigongosaurus5274]

Spain relinquished it in 1713 and Britain has by now owned it longer than Spain ever did. Also the Spanish was colonisers just as much as the British, including trying to invade England itself on multiple occasions. And failing. Every time.

[@garyyoung3179]

You seem to have forgotten Spain was one of the world's largest colonising powers itself, responsible for colonising most of the Americas as well as parts of Africa and Asia.

[@NigelHatcherN]

Israelites were in Israel since the bronze age. Palestine was never a nation, find it on a map. They are Jordanians and Gazans. Yasser Arafat came up with the name in the 60's. Pakistan and Europe have no conflict over Kashmir. Gibraltar wasn't always Spanish. It was also Greek and Moorish, we have had it longer than the Spanish.

[@gustavju4686]

​@@NigelHatcherNUh, nor was Jordan (was made in 1920)

[@JAlucard77]

That was a good one took awhile but a good one non the less. I never realized that area was in dispute. Hell, I didnt even know it belongs to England. So thanks again for bringing to light another one of the world's weird territorial oddities. That's what I like about your channel, you find little things like this.

[@colinallen8924]

It does not belong to England; it is a UK Overseas Territory.

[@mje173]

2:55 Gibraltar wasnt't conquered, it was surrendered to the other warring side of a civil war. For the dense: the Bourbon Spanish ceded Gibraltar to an Anglo-Dutch fleet flying the Hapsburg Spanish flag. Hence, the Spanish claims that Gibraltar was stolen. Since UK foreign policy has largely been diriectly/indirectly supporting pirates, or terrorists today (we know where Isis' fleet of white Toyota Tacomas came from), against geopolitical rivals, it's understandable why the Spanish would call this another UK theft.

[@bobwilson2357]

The irony of a German mocking UK food! 🤣

[@Moai883]

the uk used galvinised steel,eco friendly veneers and bolts from auntie

[@DaFroBroforeal]

I can see why all three sides stand where they do. I’m guessing things won’t change anytime soon either.

[@outnapped2]

I’m curious about what are some of the other issues with sharing, like what would need to be contrôlée by each government

[@spicycrusader]

Gibraltarians hate the idea of Spanish police, especially Guardia Civil, patrolling in Gibraltar, dealing with them at the border alone is oppressive enough.

[@Ignore_this_channel]

When looking at Gibraltar (nice) and compare it to La Línea (slum) there is no wonder why the population wants to belong to UK.

[@MrColaKO]

La Línea is the result of a parasitic economy created by Gibraltar including tobacco and drug smuggling.

[@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb]

ignored

[@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb]

you mean the slums in Leed,s Manchester, Hull, etc? why are british pensionists / nomads going to Alicante instead of radiant full british Gibraltar?

[@CountScarlioni]

@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?

[@SnorriTheLlama]

@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bbBecause they are cheaper and sunnier?

[@ivanz1811]

One day it will all belong to Galactic Empire. No need to stress now

[@JuanGomez-wp8gm]

La unica forma de recuperar Gibraltar es teniendo unas fuerzas armadas considerables para llegar a la mesa de negociacion con fuerza, no hay mas que ver lo sucedido entre China y Uk con Hong kong.

[@zigongosaurus5274]

Considerable armed forces which Spain can't afford to have meanwhile the UK can level Madrid without sending a single soldier

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

​@@zigongosaurus5274 Or Spain could just close the border and soon enough the UK would willingly let go of their precious white elephant.

[@littleshep5502]

@@mariatheresavonhabsburg The border was closed between 1969 to 1982 with little effect

[@spicycrusader]

"Considerable Armed Forces to come to the negotiating table with force", ah yes like how the Argentinians did it with the falklands- oh wait, that didn't turn out very well in their favour, did it. And those guys are literally across the atlantic, who knows what the Brits would be capable of when Gibraltar is so close :)

[@anhidric1]

Spain doesn't want Gibraltar. What they want is UK to respect the Utrecht Treaty and stop anoying spanish forces in the waters surrounding Gibraltar and to return the airport ground and beyond which they steal from Spain in the last 100 years. But asking a thieve to give something back is always a lost battle.

[@ibnfunk]

How about they trade for it with Ceuta and Melilla or the Canaries. The UK doesn't want Ceuta, Melilla, or the Canaries. It just wants all the ex-fascist spanish speaking countries to respect UK sovereignty and to stop annoying peaceful UK citizens.

[@anhidric1]

@@ibnfunk One simple question, even for you: was the Gibraltar airport zone included in Utrecht Treaty?

[@anhidric1]

No answer? 😆

[@ekosh6266]

​@@ibnfunk time for my daily meada mirando a la perfida albion. Seems like even nowadays, people living there are still equally idiotic

[@crazyduck156]

The treaty of Utrecht is superseded by modern international laws

[@Justsayit1-Z8]

Spain: *sigh looks at Guantanamo bay* “like father like son”

[@kizzerplowright]

I REALY LIKE THIS GREAT VID EVEN BETTER IS THE FUN SPIN ON IT.

[@mysteriousstranger6857]

It's crazy to think that Gibraltar has been British for longer than it was Spanish.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

You are quite delusional if you think the Brits will give up this vital piece of territory! Hell, they fought for the damn Falklands and for good reasons, too! If you have a large Navy and love to do some power-projection, you should have save anchorages around the world, this is what the Falklands and Gibraltar are! Not to metion that they could block an entrance to the mediteranian sea...that is POWER! So yeah, the Brits are more likely to create something like the Korean DMZ (so a mined and heavily guarded border, than give up something they've owned for 200+ years!

[@John-nc4bl]

Some people in the small island nation of Britain continue to drown themselves in nostalgia, are ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.

[@Andy-yn6jl]

@@John-nc4bl , read his piece closely!. He was referring to the Brits as 'they', so I assume that he isn't British!!..

[@theoneandonlyartyom]

they are BRITISH islands and NO ONE ELSE CAN HAVE THEM

[@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb]

it was the american and the chileans that helped them. always calling their bigger friend to help them

[@johnburns4017]

No border was defined in the treaty giving Gibraltar to Britain. Britain drew a line determining tbe border. Now there's one.

[@jorgeo4483]

Gibraltar has never been giving to Britain only the right to use the port and constructions, nothing of course about new status, soberany, expansions, airport, military base, border, maritime space.

[@johnburns4017]

@@jorgeo4483 Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht gives Gibraltar to the British. Clear. ARTICLE X: _The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and_ *_he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever._* _But that abuses and frauds may be avoided by importing any kind of goods, the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be_ *_yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction_* _and without any open communication by land with the country round about. Yet whereas the communication by sea with the coast of Spain may not at all times be safe or open, and thereby it may happen that the garrison and other inhabitants of Gibraltar may be brought to great straits; and as it is the intention of the Catholic King, only that fraudulent importations of goods should, as is above said, be hindered by an inland communications. it is therefore provided that in such cases it may be lawful to purchase, for ready money, in the neighbouring territories of Spain, provisions and other things necessary for the use of the garrison, the inhabitants, and the ships which lie in the harbour. But if any goods be found imported by Gibraltar, either by way of barter for purchasing provisions, or under any other pretence, the same shall be confiscated, and complaint being made thereof, those persons who have acted contrary to the faith of this treaty, shall be severely punished. And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King, does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar; and that no refuge or shelter shall be allowed to any Moorish ships of war in the harbour of the said town, whereby the communication between Spain and Ceuta may be obstructed, or the coasts of Spain be infested by the excursions of the Moors. But whereas treaties of friendship and a liberty and intercourse of commerce are between the British and certain territories situated on the coast of Africa, it is always to be understood, that the British subjects cannot refuse the Moors and their ships entry into the port of Gibraltar purely upon the account of merchandising. Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain does further promise, that the free exercise of their religion shall be indulged to the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the aforesaid town. And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others._

[@johnburns4017]

The same terms were used when Britain handed over Florida to Spain. .

[@jorgeo4483]

​@@johnburns4017 And that was the reason to heroically recover it again. You cannot leave anything valuable in your hands, you throw it off the balconies.

[@romad275]

Supposedly if the Barbary Macaques (originally from Morocco) ever leave Gibraltar, then the British would. This was feared to becoming true when the population was down to 10 at the beginning of the 20th Century. By 1942 the population was only 7 so Churchill ordered several be imported from Morocco to increase the population and gene pool. Hmmm, would Spain be willing to trade Catalonia and Basque independence for Gibraltar?

[@davidclowes-pritchard6679]

The Catalans maintain that they are occupied against their will by Spain. Spain has not enjoyed a great tradition of liberal democracy. The Spanish governments record in this respect is possibly a contributary factor in the reluctance to be governed by Madrid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJK0ZZKsZcutbM0 The British record whilst imperfect is better. A few years ago they witnessed a religious intolerance issue in Ireland so partitioned the island in an attempt to resolve the issue. Later they witnessed a nationalist movement in Scotland so organized a referendum and the people got what they asked for. At about the same time the people voiced concern about a perceived federal Europe, they held a referendum and again the people got what they wanted. Similarly Britain has had some horrendous failures such giving Menorca to Spain which ended in Genocide cultural oppression and colonization. Having not learned from that experience the British government gave Hongkong to the Chinees and so the slaughter continues. Madrid controls 506,030 km² have they ever asked the Spanish people if they want to invade Gibraltar for an extra 7km²? If asked do you think they would choose to oppress another nation or opt to have a handy escape hatch from the Spanish Government? Democracy is imperfect, it will always result in a minority. The Spanish people who have sadly witnessed the alternative would never vote to oppress Gibraltar.

[@caleidoscopio4770]

Catalan independentists believe that Cristobal Columbus and Santa Teresa DE ÁVILA were Catalans. And that it was Cataluña the one that conquered the Kingdom of Aragón. I can't believe there are people still take them seriously.

[@EnriqueScottish]

Realistically you can’t compare Spanish Northern African enclaves with Gibraltar. Ceuta & Mellila plus another handful of isles, were handed over to the Spanish crown after the Portuguese had no natural successor of their crown & territories. Having read about this, it seems once Portugal reinstated their monarchy around mid 1600s, Ceuta & Melilla because they had been Spanish cities with fully rights since late 1400’s then chose to remain Spanish and rejected their chance to go back to the Portuguese crown. Bare in mind Morroco is a modern country, that surged after colonialism ended in Africa, so no actual country that still is one nowadays, has the historical right to reclaim both enclaves & isles. Now in the other hand, Gibraltar was conquered and kept by the British, taking advantage of a weak Spanish crown and army at the time. So Spain, historically speaking, does have a right to reclaim this territory. Now, if you go and search for the different treaties made between Spain & Britain, you can see Britain have not kept their word and have expanded their territory without agreeing it with Spain, we’ve even built an airport in “No mans land”. This has literally added more unnecessary tension between the parts. I just think if Britain kept their word at the time, Spain wouldn’t complain about it and things could be way more natural. Maybe even a shared territory between the countries. End of the day, thousands of British people like myself live here in Spain for retirement also thousands of Spanish work in the UK too. Conclusion, us normal people, Spanish and British do get along well and do cooperate.

[@brianferguson7840]

If you want it back Manuel ? Try and take it back !😂😂😂

[@glr4764]

Sure, it would honestly be super easy. The English navy is a joke these days, the Spanish have more combat aircraft and US patriot batteries, Gibraltar is attached to the Spanish Mainland and England has to go AROUND all of Spain to reach Gibraltar. The F do you plan to break a Spanish siege of Gibraltar? They could take it without firing a shot so to speak. You think the English are going to be able to sail to or land in Gibraltar to supply against a Spanish military that ranks just below Ukraine, Israel, and Germany on most military indexes? If you do... wow English are really living in the past in a really sad and pathetic way. UK trying to hold on to Gibraltar would look more like what it looked like if the British tried to hold on to Hong Kong and not another Falklands war which was over an island 500 kms from Argentina.

[@MA-go7ee]

I have absolutely no patience for 'the land is close to us, therefore it must belong to us' arguments in international politics. Not when Argentina used it, nor when Morocco or Algeria (against Spain ironically) use it. These countries either lost the land fair and square or didn't even exist when the land was claimed.

[@bfdiepictennisballbfdi2359]

You know, I think I saw someone who said that the Treaty of Utrech didn't actually give Gibraltar to the British, but I don't know where I saw it, then there's the (very high) chance that it was fake, if I do find it I'll send it to you

[@javierreytudela7908]

Argentina has never used that as an argument.

[@idk-ye7ur]

Idk about Morocco, but even if Argentina didn't existed, Spain did and Argentina inherit the land. The same no tolerance can be said to the argument of stealing land, putting people there and saying that they're the owners. Like bruh.

[@littleshep5502]

​@@javierreytudela7908they actively use proximity as an argument

[@littleshep5502]

​@@idk-ye7urArgentina didn't inherit anything from Spain, regardless of what they claimed in the 1950s

[@MENSA.lady2]

Gibraltar has been British for over 300 years and will stay British as long as the Gibraltarian population want it. Last time the were asked they voted over 99% to stay British.

[@Augusto9588]

Now do eastern Ukraine

[@Jaie55]

Exactly, as It should be. Greetings from Spain

[@idontknowofausername6231]

Bro the british kicked out and killed the spaniards living there at the time and put english people there, what do you think would happen?

[@decrulez]

@@idontknowofausername6231it’s going to blow your mind when you heard what the Spanish did to the Mayan’s. Spoilers they created Mexicans.

[@idontknowofausername6231]

@@decrulez you do know most of the gold stayed in the Americas and was invested there right? On the other hand, England literally massacred the natives while the spanish made families with them, most of the deaths being from diseases. Why do you think a lot of people on latin america are of indigenous descent, while basically none on the US or Canada are?

[@AOD_AnkGrooger]

The USSR them playing at the word of "Our" was brilliant.

[@daniipeace1999]

A bit of a pot calling the kettle black story here. Yes, historically correct about how it all got established, but why does Spain demand it back, when they themselves still occupy parts on the other side of the water in Marocco: Ceuta and Melilla (and then I do not even start to talk about Canarian Islands). So, stop wining about what is mine and what is yours and be satisfied with what you have.

[@betaorionis2164]

There is a huge juridical difference, though: unlike the Gibraltarians, the inhabitants of Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands enjoy full Spanish citizenship, including the right to elect their MPs at Spanish Parliament (5% of Spanish MPs are from one of these three regions). There isn't any difference between a Spaniard from Ceuta and a Spaniard from, say, Toledo. This is the reason why Ceuta, Melilla or the Canary Islands are not considered as colonies by the UN, but Gibraltar is. Also, the Spanish (or Portuguese, in the case of Ceuta) rule over these places, which started in the late Middle Ages, predates the existence of Morocco. Ceuta and Melilla are more comparable to Northern Ireland than to Gibraltar.

[@Hex___666]

​@@betaorionis2164Gibraltarians have full UK citizenship and they have their own parliament and govern themselves, you think it's more democratic to scrap that?

[@betaorionis2164]

@@Hex___666 Gibraltarians do NOT have the capacity to decide on UK affairs. That’s what defines a colonialist regime.