The Truth About China's Social Credit System

[@PolyMatter]

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[@tgreinpersonal]

Unless if you didn't see it earlier.

[@mrdrzebraman694]

China is so Based

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

But Many of So called China Experts Said it is real you must be a wumao take 50 cent😂😂

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

Man About to loose loads of china expert Guys after they watch this video

[@Flylykou]

Man why do you make ads for skillshare they literally have a 1 star rating on trustpilot and are a scam please don't fall for it I love your videos but don't sell your soul

[@teoengchin]

So you're saying all those times I praised President Xi in front of my made in China coffee machine didnt increase my Social Credit score?

[@jonseilim4321]

Only works on those boba tea machines my lad

[@mohamadizzuddin7068]

If u buy kuerig.. it manufacture in malaysia..

[@me0101001000]

Years of academy training wasted LMAO

[@gigachad7153]

The only way to increase it is by listening to Red Sun In The Sky as many times as possible, which btw, I don't mind at all.

[@Joe_C.]

😅😁

[@CryMoarZ]

As a European living in China, this is so true. When I arrived, I didn't dare to cross a red light. After some weeks, you would cross red lights often. And yes, when I would ask Chinese locals about this system, I would first need to explain the whole thing....

[@pass3d]

主要是BBC/NYT/WSJ...有语言优势，具有很大的话语权。中国有个成语叫”三人成虎“。

[@coconut-gx4gj]

As a Chinese living in Europe, I need to explain one false lies to people every day that do not exis T at all. The most painful thing is that people don't want to believe me and think I'm crazy.

[@StarsManny]

Which part of Europe are you from?

[@jimbojimbo6873]

China

[@MM-vb9ze]

'The Plan To Subjugate Humanity Revolves Around Digital ID & Social Credit Systems' kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHOnYaGEmteDoqc

[@johnsonwongcs]

Man, as a translator, in particular Chinese-to-English translator, I have translated many such documents, and let me tell you, nothing said in this video are exaggerations. Those documents, especially the government issued ones, are so empty they might as well be made of air...

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@newoether7877]

Indeed. Totally agree.

[@deathdoor]

I think most government documents in most countries are hard to understand.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

This his hilarious; every single comment is spreading CCP propaganda; PolyMatter is compromised. The CCP literally pays good money to spread their propaganda, and various KZbinrs have proof of being contacted by them to spread these scripts. And all the comments are flooding the same thing. Not a single person is even being skeptical of this

[@qikaigao3991]

I don't even understand the words used in my tenancy agreement for my rental

[@randomfunnystuff6378]

It's hilarious that when I heard the score range from 350 to 950, the first thing that came to my mind was Alipay's Sesame Credit. It's like a "bank" that was created to determine how much money they can lend you, hence the establishment of a scoring system. It's basically like "upload your property certificate and get +25 points," "failure to repay on time -10 points," and you can cancel this credit rating at any time. Almost all internet companies want to lend money to users, so now there are many so-called scoring systems, such as WeChat Credit, Didi Credit, JD Credit... And it's really hilarious how Western media portrays this as the so-called "social credit"

[@iouvxz]

Reading comments from people don't understand Chinese on western social media , and reading comments from people only understand Chinese on Chinese social media , are both fun .

[@RazorM97]

bing chilling

[@pascallaw5909]

@@RazorM97 hahaha I know that meme

[@zhiyuechen555]

@@iouvxzhhhhh true bro

[@nmsl4133]

Truth doesn’t matter to them. All they care about is utilizing every opportunity possible to churn out more anti-China propaganda which always works well among imbeciles.

[@MrHunick]

Thank you for making this video. As a Chinese person living in Europe, sometimes people ask me about this. It is hard to explain, and I don't want to spend a lot time explaining something that I don't even know very well and telling them a lot of what they heard were not factual. Some people get offended when you tell them what they think is true is actually not. I just tell them it is not nationally implemented, and I don't know much about it as I lived did not have it. Still some Europeans question me on the fact whether it is nationally implemented. It gets so annoying.

[@kd_w4110]

Don't even try, most people will still believe the media, even if you explain to them very clearly.

[@edward3190]

Those uneducated brainwashed narrow-minded Europeans can very annoying.

[@RT-qd8yl]

Can you explain cha bu duo

[@p382742937423y4]

People are afraid of chinese government measures. They seem so strong and coercive to the people, we are afraid of it.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Cold Storage USD SGD

[@bigbadlara5304]

Just absolutely love this. We need to criticize things but only if it's fair criticism.

[@skp8748]

Do you think they sit around and indignantly admonish the US for subjecting all its citizens to MK ultra or some other silly conspiracy in China. They don't even care about the US's ACTUAL crimes against its citizens like assassinating them overseas for a nonviolent crime they havent even been charged for let alone found guilty of in a court of their peers as per the US constitution. It gets unbelievably worse EVEN after UNCONSTITUTIONALLY assasinating this US citizen via an drone strike which was illegal since it was in foreign country we were neither at war with or granted permission by we ACTUALLY decided to target and murdering the dead mans US born children. Obamas chief of staff was quoted saying the teenage boy born in the US and killed by on Obamas orders less than a month after his dad was shouldve had better father. Then Trump comes into office saying its not enough to target terrorists but that their families should also be killed less than 3 months as president the last child of this family an 8 year old US citizen was assassinated on Trumps orders following an Obama made plan. 😂 But let's cry about what China a nation we have no authority over is doing because its so much more pertinent than what is happening to us by our elected officials... senile copium.

[@Cagrst]

Yeah PolyMatter is the best. Actual critical analysis of a subject, not just parroting other parrots.

[@Random_dud31]

​@First name Last name its fine to downplay the criticism, but they have to back it with facts. But as you said, when they start using hate speech or patriotism or like, then its a lost cause

[@tunahxushi4669]

In China if you voluntarily allow CCP to live harvest your organs your credit score goes up 1000 points...

[@bigbadlara5304]

@@user-ts5lz2fc7f whenever someone says I use hate speech to me. I end the conversation immediatly. Nothing to gain there.

[@Syuvinya]

As a Chinese person, I can confirm that this is an accurate and objective report on the Chinese social credit systems. (Except for the all accounts on all Chinese websites require real-name registration part. All registered games in China require the user to provide their real name and ID card to verify that they are over 18 for unrestricted access, but not all websites. Chinese games don't have a grading system so even something as inoffensive as a match-3 game would be restricted to 18+). (Btw you can actually use the names and ID cards of the debtors blacklisted by the court to sign up to games. This is some really big brain move from the CCP.) (This comment has been heavily edited to answer some questions in the replies)

[@iCore7Gaming]

that is real messed up

[@aoh4905]

so strict

[@kirkrotger9208]

@DanDeMan It's messed up that kids can't play games meant for adults?

[@0xBasedChang]

@@aoh4905 it's the same in south korea and many other asian countries

[@Lustanda]

Oh and some games have time limit built in so if you plays for long enough you don't gain anything from the game and too long they will kick you out of the game and put a cooldown period as well.

[@ArchOfWinter]

The take away from this video isn't about the social credit system, is how skeptical we should be of how government and company are portrayed as by news media and by official statement. Every major powers (both political and private companies) on the planet thrive off of these inaccurate exaggeration of capabilities. Saying nothing helps builds their own reputation while retorting will make themselves look the the victim of misinformation attacks and bullying. A win win in either case. In the case of social credit, Beijing not saying anything to discredits the exaggeration help reinforce their might and how sophisticated their techs are to the internationally community, but if they retort, they can play victim of how the US is slandering their reputation to appease domestically to further villainize the West.

[@Imbalanxd]

It would probably be quite funny to put that negative opinion of China graph next to a graph of china's proximity to the US in GDP

[@klaustrussel]

We are swimming in propaganda 365 days of the year

[@DixyBixy]

and all of those would be prevented if the west did not spread the misinformation about the social credit system at the first time right?

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

​@@klaustrussel The most widespread propaganda isn't really propaganda as people typically think of that. Rather than govts. controlling the media and dictating the narrative, the media itself does 'propanganda' for its own reasons. What reason, you ask? Pandering. The US govt. doesn't need to tell US media to villainize China, they'll do it themselves cos they can see that their audience loves it. Even non-mainstream media like YT content creators are susceptible to the same temptations. It's just good business to tell people what they like to hear. The same applies to the media everywhere else, democracy or autocracy.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Americans are just really stupid and literally believe every single thing the government says😂😂😂😂 Yeomni park being sponsored by neocons saying the most insanely inconsistent and non probable things like pushing 1000 ton trains daily 😂😂😂

[@zhenzhenzhang]

As a Chinese person, I literally never heard of "social credit" other than on foreign memes. Really great, unbiased, educational video.

[@cyncynshop]

What do you mean? I wasn't able to get a video game rental because I need 700 social credit score to borrow it without a hefty security fee. Edit: I'm just curious because, social credit, sesame credit and that like is very prevalent if you have an online wallet, which everyone does in the city. It's kinda hard to not heard of it because JD shopping app there's "GET THIS CHEAP IF YOU HAVE XXX SOCIAL CREDIT" everywhere.

[@neanda]

as a chinese. there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@neanda]

why are all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. 🤣 and why do you have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'.

[@davidgil6485]

​@@neanda sources are in a link in the description

[@joni4867]

@@neandabroooo please stop copy pasting the same blatantly incorrect comment over and over

[@aier4220]

As a Chinese, never heard about the stoical credit system, but I heard about USA has a credit system with buying house and cars for financial and lease.

[@ChakokkNo]

USA is always good at making fake news.

[@guacre2675]

Yep. Banks determine how trustworthy you are for loans based on how reliably you pay them back on time. If you're irresponsible or don't have money, getting a loan for a house, car, or better credit card becomes more expensive. You can simply opt out, but most people participate. I think it kinda sucks, personally.

[@Ty-dk2sj]

​@@guacre2675It only really sucks for people who can't manage their money properly 😂

[@royalsaiyanelite198]

Credit is a good system. People just need to learn how to positively impact their score

[@stevek906]

Isn't this true everywhere? From the other comments here, it sounds like it is. Credit scoring is one situation where the banks have a strong motivation to be cooperative / sharing rather than competitive / secretive. If a creditor stiffs a bank, the bank wants to blacklist that creditor to the whole industry, and the other banks likewise want to know about it. The more interesting question would be, is there any place where this has NOT happened?

[@noot2981]

As someone who works in data, I've always been sceptical of this SCS. It's so hard to link data together in a comprehensible, not to mention correct way, I couldn't imagine them being that far ahead than my western country in data infrastructure. Very nice and comprehensive summary of the "system".

[@ChibiKeruchan]

just you wait around 15yrs and AI will do it

[@Joe_C.]

Thing is... Do they really care about how 'accurate' it is, as long as they have a system overlording the majority of the population that the people ascribe to or even fear

[@ericbashir7275]

I don’t think it’s as hard as you make it seem. You could start with a handful of government agencies and spread from there. The US is able to do this with the credit score, which is connected across most of your financial dealings. It can’t be that hard in a police where there’s only one voice.

[@AdverseOpinion]

That's not the point, what's the threat of losing social credit that keeps people in control.

[@ricardokowalski1579]

Accuracy is not a requirement. Fear is the metric. Randomness and "errors" only help that goal The STASI did this without any computers, decades ago. It can be be done, it is really easy to do.

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

Real informative, good work here. The idea of the "hyper-advanced dystopian social credit system" always seemed a little suspect to me, and there's no doubt in my mind that some governments in this world would love to implement that, but it seems reasonable that any current implementation is marred by general "people are people" and beaucratic incompetence.

[@erozionzeall6371]

Are you gonna stop automatically believing bullshit propaganda put out by the West from now on?

[@NarasimhaDiyasena]

The WEF seeks to establish the dystopia under the guise of Climate Change. Carbon Credits are the rebrand of Social Credit. They are Watermelons, Green (‘Environmentalists’) on the outside, and Red (Communist) on the inside.

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel

[@Pushing_Pixels]

@@peterseth3296 All that stuff is handled by private companies, not the government.

[@niello5944]

What are you talking about, it's already dystopian. The real problem that's not impeded by any breaucratic incompetence is using a few monolithic numbers to explicitly decide everything about a person and a lack of privacy that's even more outrageous than a lot of other places in the world.

[@annache250]

As an American who is confused on how dysfunctional US politics are, I’m curious if you’d be interested in covering the Political industry theory created by Katherine Gehl and Michael Porter. Since you’ve exposed to so many westerners like myself that China’s political system is more complicated than the sensationalist media would have us think, maybe you could shine a light on American politics particularly the two-party system.

[@bobSeigar]

Simple. America is one party, two teams.

[@bigglesworth9456]

America's system is based on class warfare. Rich versus everyone else.

[@armandoventura9043]

The dysfunctional politics of the US is due to the fact that the entire government is highly influenced by the nacional companies, making all politics revolve around the wishes of businessmen and politicians. It's simple but destructive in the long run

[@andriod8014]

As someone whose parents came from a socialist country with a tyrannical leader, US is by far away from dysfunctional political system. If you think current US politics sucks wait until you see what happening in other countries.

[@dumbname1961]

@Anne Che how to tell you are a chinese psyop without telling us you're a wumao. Based on how round about way you said im taking it that you're already disillusioned with china but have to write the comment cuz u got gun pointed at your head. The things is if you want to watch exposure on how "dysfuntional" US government is.... you just need to google it and hundreds of independent respectable journalists will come out and show you thousands of videos ranging from just exposing to outright smearing it. But funny how you guys only appear on videos that that paint china in smallest negative lights. But i guess tahts a job for u.

[@sable2146]

US Media: China's credit score will impact people's ability to work, rent, or even live!!! Meanwhile in 1980's US: Three privately owned corporations: "Hold our beers"

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@pyropulseIXXI]

The system in the US is literally nothing compared to the Chinese system; why the mass spreading of propaganda in favor of the Chinese system? The system in the US has to do with people voluntarily loaning you money; if someone doesn't pay their bills, no shit no one is going to lend you money, as that is a risk. If you have cash, you aren't restricted with anything in the US Nice strawman though; pretty pathetic on your part

[@zebraimage]

I'm a Chinese citizen living in China and I try to be a fair critic of CCP. There are a lot of people like me here. But bad reportings like this Social Credit bullshit from the west makes it really hard for us to convince our people that we need to be more open and we need freedom of press. it's frustrating. And it's not just western media, it's also their audiences. People in the west love this kind of boogie stories about China. They are automatically less skeptical with their media when it's about China. They don't hold the media accountable when it's about China. It's a vicious circle.

[@nathanolson3135]

Funny you are mentioning western media, I mean have you ever met Chinese media? 😏

[@zebraimage]

@@nathanolson3135 I'll quote my regular comment which got my social media accounts banned several times in China: There's no media in China whatsoever. They are all a part of the propaganda machine, every single one of them, when they can only report what they're allowed to report, be it good news or bad news.

[@漢人-g4n]

​@@nathanolson3135we dislike ccp ,don't mean we like America

[@魏子茗-q8c]

its just the pot calling the kettle black; at least chinese ppl are generally skeptical about our bullsh!t media, unlike amerimutts who just love grabbing random fake news from their own bullsh!t mountain of journalism and think they are better than their asian counterparts@@nathanolson3135

[@reaktioN]

+20 social credits

[@rosaria8384]

I've been super skeptical about this system tbh. Too many memes keep making references to this supposed Orwellian system, so I started becoming curious. Glad that this video exists.

[@ac1455]

If such a system did exist, China would already have overtaken the world as they’d have the most advanced ML algorithms known to man.

[@DogmaticAtheist]

If you weren't skeptical you should have your head examined

[@skp8748]

I was living in dalian telling friends back home that they were actually being crazy... they wholeheartedly believed I was lying out of fear or I was being bribed... these were friends I'd known all my life. Yellow peril much like war on terrorism or Mccarthyism is dangerous jingoistic racist mass hysteria. They believed the story because they WANTED to believe it

[@mariusvanc]

I always treated it is a meme and joke, as in, you do something and someone says "that's -50 social credit points comrade". Not for a second do I believe anyone in China has the technical capability to collect, combine and analyze this kind of data, given that outside of a small portion of people in 1st tier cities, the large majority of the country is at a corrupt developing 3rd world level, and you're more likely to be using a wood stove than have access to the internet.

[@xdragus]

How else will I get my easy karma upvotes on Reddit?

[@TheDysartes]

I've spoken with family members in China about this and they've said they way the West was presenting it was a load of old rubbish. They said there is a credit scoring system, but when they explained it to it sounded a lot like the credit score system we have in the UK. It's based around borrowing like it is in the west, your score goes up or down based on your ability to pay back borrowing. The way China works, is that new laws, ideas etc are tested in a few regions to see if they work, if they're a failure then it's abandoned, if there are issues then those issues are addressed. A new law or idea isn't rolled out across the rest of the country until it's deemed workable, if it isn't then it's either abandoned or taken back to the drawing board.

[@Imbalanxd]

so throw it with the debt trap diplomacy myth and file under things americans dont want to be informed about

[@DhrubajyotiRaja01]

*Your CCP Credit Score has increased. 10 CNY is added into your bank account* .

[@0816M3RC]

The Chinese are indeed a genocidal people but the Social Credit System always seemed ridiculous.

[@somnia3423]

What is the social aspect about it?

[@iivin4233]

@@Imbalanxd So what do you call it when you give a loan to someone you know can't pay it back and later use it to wrench sovereignty concessions from them? Granted individuals don't operate under the same concept of sovereignty that nations do. It's not a perfect metaphor.

[@jialaowai]

Great video. So tired of hearing even "China experts" claim that there's a social credit system here, when anyone who's lived here knows it doesn't exist.

[@bozzie_]

The reality of what China currently is under the CCP isn't much better.

[@KnowL-oo5po]

agi will be man's last invention

[@pascallaw5909]

as a Chinese I just take this as a meme and bing chilling with others haha but i don't know how many people from outside China actually take it seriously.

[@jwcas318]

0:00: 📰 The emergence of China's social credit system was exaggerated and distorted by Western media, leading to widespread misconceptions and fears. 3:25: ⚠️ The Chinese social credit system is not as Orwellian as portrayed, but it does exist and is part of a broader context of government control. 8:58: 📝 The Chinese government implemented a policy outline called 'social credit' which aimed to encourage spending and promote trust in society. 10:14: 📚 The Chinese government implemented a 'reputation society' to address moral failure and lack of trust, but the implementation was chaotic and impractical. 13:54: 🔍 The concept of social credit in China is often misunderstood and misrepresented by the media. 17:45: 🔍 The complexity of governing a large population and the use of buzzwords in China's social credit system 20:05: 🤔 China's claims about 'big data' and 'machine learning' should be approached with skepticism. Recap by Tammy AI

[@MM-vb9ze]

'China's Social Credit System keeps a Critical Eye on Everyday Activities' kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ_QZ4aYaLWVaLssi=0GPP0m-rQaI8O7Gc

[@tengchen7360]

As a chinese I can see how much effort Polymatter has taken to investigate this topic. Whenever we see a news or stand-up comedy making jokes about social credit system it always make us laugh too, because we see how absurd this is. As an system engineer, I can clearly see how complex this system is if it ever exists. For example, If you want to use survillian cameras to identify a person who runs in red light on the street, you'll need HD cameras at every street corner with really advanced face recognition AI that can work even in bad weathers. And this is only for one scenario. If CCP really manage to realize that, I will be convinced that China has the most advanced technologies and the most talented people around the world, and the US or any other countries connot even compete with China anymore. This is apparently not the case.

[@patriciaboivin66]

How much they pain you ?

[@Joe--]

Seem to be denying that this system is fundamentally unethical?

[@gavros9636]

@@Joe-- The CCP doesn't care about ethics?

[@tengchen7360]

@@Joe-- Bro here's my understanding. We might have different views about CCP's ethicity, but if any government can develop such an advanced tech that monitors and rates billions of people, this technology can also be applied in multiple other fields to strengthen the country. Let's take the survillian camera for example. Its relevant technology includes AI face/object identification, internet of things and massive database management. These technologies can boost production automation (to increase industrial productivity for civil and military products), cyber attack (grabing massive information from other countries and to rapid analysis etc.). What I'm trying to say is, to construct such a social credit system, a country should have great developments in technologies, and these technologies can also be used in other fields which make the country Top 1 in industry, military and economy. If that's a evil country, there's nothing can stand in its way to conquer the world. Apparently China is still not that strong, so the imagination that such a system exists is just unrealistic.

[@tengchen7360]

@@patriciaboivin66 I am not in pain at all, bro :)

[@dekumutant]

This was one of the best china videos i've watched in this platform. Incredible job. I have a bit of a hobby following what is going on in China and everyone even slightly interested should watch this. This video so elegantly goes beyond the topic and outlines exactly what makes china look so confusing outside in. The government is incentivised to be vague for their own deniability. That final quote was beautiful, "currently one side is primed to see china as 10 feet tall, and the other is incentivised to exaggerate its height"

[@wenyichen5515]

Poly matter really knows how to investigate fairly.

[@thudly999]

This was one of the most carefully constructed, balanced, intellectually polished discussions of this topic I have encountered. really helpful in calming hysteria and superb in driving useful discourse for further exploration. many thanks!

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@user0K]

Imagine we had news like that

[@kangminliu160]

when someone told me, a Chinese, that there is something called Social Credit Score in China, i had no idea what he was talking about, and after i told him there is no such thing, he looked me with pity like i was the one brainwashed and he refused to believe me..

[@jasperhe5656]

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

[@xinbozhang7206]

I finally understand why when I comment on some videos, some people will reply to me and say, 'How much social credit score did you get today?' This is something that Chinese people have never heard of, but it is widely spread in the West.

[@blugaledoh2669]

Lol😅

[@Rex-ww4cw]

That's all they can do when they lose an argument😂

[@bumblebeegamerreal]

As someone who is critical on China for other reasons, I agree that this misunderstanding caused misinformation

[@MagnificentCreature]

Informative video, adds up to alot of observations I have talking to Chinese people about this. Well done!

[@eruditejuvenile5266]

My dad visited China few years ago, in airport the cameras did most of the work.

[@skp8748]

​@@eruditejuvenile5266huh

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@dunnowy123]

I find your point about how the West perceives China vs. how CHINESE people perceive China as so interesting. I don't know if people actually interact with Chinese people all that often, but they're not the (for lack of a better term) rule loving, automatons people seem to imagine. In fact, I'd argue South (yes, South) Koreans and Japanese people (both countries I've visited and people I know here in North America) are more averse to breaking rules than Chinese people are. China, to many Chinese people, IS TOO UNREGULATED. There's too much lawlessness, there's too much corruption, and grift. A lot of Chinese people love bending and breaking rules if they perceive them as being not in their or their family or network's interest. Of course, a lot of Chinese people don't like this (or they, like all people, approve of themselves doing it but not others) and that's why a lot of them feel that strong authority is necessary to keep control of the country.

[@My12Fav]

💯 agree. I have many relatives living in China and my parents who are US citizens but still keep up with Chinese news say this is the number 1 difference b/w China and the West. It’s why my mom sends my cousin in China baby formula from the US. There are basically no regulations and even if there are, there’s zero trust from Chinese citizens that they will be upheld.

[@ZhangtheGreat]

So damn true. For a prime example, watch how citizens interact with authority figures when it inconveniences them. While some will cooperate, you're far more likely to see full-blown arguments between the two parties. This whole belief that the Chinese are fearful of authority is a lie; of the "big three" East Asian nations (China, Japan, and South Korea), the people of China are _most_ likely to get in an authority figure's face.

[@DavidGravesExists]

What's fascinating to me, having lived in both China and Taiwan, is how Taiwan does the exact same thing with it's vague, top-down directives that allow each layer of bureaucrats to wash their hands of responsibility for failures caused by local-level officials just basically making up shit as they go along in an attempt to interpret the vague directives (while also trying to pocket as much money for themselves as possible by creating further vague directives and initiatives that, surprise, always seem to funnel money into the pockets of those that create said initiatives). I guess some habits die hard.

[@prplt]

its vague not it's

[@the80386]

@DavidGravesExists - but you see David, it's ok when taiwan does it because it's a subordin...I mean 'ally'. we don't talk about any bad stuff our allies do but we thoroughly record all of it. we keep those evidence in reserve to be used later when allies don't play ball.

[@あなた以外の誰でもない]

Theres a difference, on Taiwan u can get whatever u want on ur pocket and nobody can do anything about it as long as ur party is on charge, even if its exposed by the media, nothing will happen. In China on the other hand they banned corruption after Xi was on charge and whoever tries to get money into their pocket will face heavy lifetime consequences, thats it if they find out about it

[@NeostormXLMAX]

The usa does this even more w😂

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@あなた以外の誰でもないlmao the usa japan taiwan south korea france england and germany all have seized peoples assets whenever needed let me remind you julian assange is still in jail for journalism

[@funfsinn14]

I've lived in China since 2015 and this is one of the few explanations that does a good enough job of explaining the particular aspect and the sinophobic meme it's turned into. For all intents and purposes, social credit is just not a thing. Whether native or foreigner I've met literally nobody here who gives it much thought if any.

[@BioTheHuman]

It's not a thing because they weren't able to perfectly maintain and enforce it, but it's definitely a thing. You too say that "people don't care about it" which is different from saying "It doesn't exist"

[@iouvxz]

@@BioTheHuman it exists ,if you refuse to pay the loan you lent from the national bank ,but the government find out you do have money to pay it back , and that's the only way you will get youself into trouble ,if you're bankrupt ,then you're fine .

[@funfsinn14]

@@BioTheHuman well what i mean is, it doesn't exist. certainly not in the way outsiders like to imagine in any real way. it's something else and it's not ubiquitous or wide ranging for a variety of reasons. but it's not that strawman imagined fantasy ppl have in their minds when somebody says 'social credit score'.

[@BioTheHuman]

@@funfsinn14 I too joke about social credits knowing that it's not the "real thing", but first of all, that's how jokes work, and second, it's just a matter of time for it to become reality since China is clearly aiming to such control on its population

[@funfsinn14]

@@BioTheHuman I've been living in China since '15 and have heard 'it's just around the corner' abt so many things whether it's SC or the coming collapse of their economy and system. So many predictions from ppl who don't know a thing about the place. Still waiting...

[@TheTonyMcD]

This was an extremely well made documentary. I really liked how you were to tear down this big scary reputation that the Chinese government has, and show that they too are in fact human. That last line really resonated with me, "one side is primed to see China as ten feet tall and the other is incentivized to exaggerate its height."

[@Pushing_Pixels]

I remember thinking, at the time the story broke, that it seemed like such an impossibly complex and onerous system, and on a scale so large in a country like China, that there was no way a giant bureaucracy (or really a collection of giant bureaucracies) could pull it off. The technology just isn't there yet. China might be a one-party state, but it is not a monolithic government, as you point out. Co-ordinating something like what was described would be a monumental task, even without the technical barriers.

[@amlyify]

The technology probably is there, it's just that sheer infrastructure costs would be immense

[@asandax6]

The technology to do a social credit system is present. It requires a small fraction of social media infrastructure. Infact avery social media manages their own social credit system that they use to ban people but they'll never make it public.

[@bodyloverz30]

Oddly, Chairman Mao, managed to do much the same thing.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@bodyloverz30mao was secretly an anarchist and was terrible at running a government and literally gave kids guns and made them sort things out

[@bodyloverz30]

@@NeostormXLMAX That was the point of the Cultural Revolution.

[@Ahmeds1998]

This is the first time I have ever written a comment on a video. This video is really well made, and the script is phenomenal!

[@valhalla9688]

Yes, I love this channel. It is one of the best there is.

[@slypear]

@@TheIndependentLiberal Live in today's China much, right now?

[@ThunderSims]

You're really well made

[@riplikatlnloki5091]

Liar

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

L comment, make more entertaining comments or i'm unsubbing noob

[@BenAdam-l8s]

I am Chinese, and I've never, ever heard about it. It's all of nonsense.

[@danieldinnie5003]

Wow. This was an exceptionally well put together video. The well balanced version of the content was refreshing. Well done to the writers and researchers of this content!!

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@Eeeeehhh]

I completely agree with your closing statements, great work!

[@FactNFiction]

Love your videos on the future of our planet very interesting!

[@jonseilim4321]

"The American media's obsession with ratings and profit often compromises journalistic integrity and truth." - Amy Goodman

[@DhrubajyotiRaja01]

*Said by an Asian who fled to America for Better life* .....

[@BackwardOutofDusk]

The GOAT

[@RealCherry8085]

One baised journalist calling others baised, Haha

[@RealCherry8085]

Yup china Uncensored is very platform to about what's happening in PR China.

[@菼]

​@@RealCherry8085China uncensored is literally Falun gong propaganda.

[@JohnDoe-vi1im]

I trust this channel more in getting unbiased, rational and relevant information than i trust any newspaper or magazine i know.

[@cindyhuang7021]

i actully agree with you

[@hagbardceline1980]

@@cindyhuang7021 ol PolyMatter now on the CCP paylist. Unsubbed.

[@GLPentAxel]

​@@hagbardceline1980"ongoing atrocities in Xinjiang" doesn't sound like a great line to keep in a video if you're on the CCP payroll.

[@hagbardceline1980]

@@GLPentAxel Good point... probably just the Klaus Schwab / Federal Reserve paylist then.

[@evryatis9231]

@@hagbardceline1980 ....or maybe he's just an independant youtuber?

[@tanhaoze]

As a Chinese, I'm so tired of arguing this bullshit on the internet with the English speaking netizen, thank you for your great effort!

[@yibai_to]

这些视频奏效不是很大😮你可以去造谣视频按时间排序试试

[@alisha7224]

lol. Clearly gunning for 900 social credit score

[@Rex-ww4cw]

​@kowaikarasutoo brainwashed to noticed the truth ?😂

[@Rex-ww4cw]

​@@alisha7224same for you😂

[@tanhaoze]

Basic idiot@@alisha7224

[@ichoapu]

Hey, great video first of all, but the seaseme credit system from alibaba isn't as much of a failure as the system was very multi purposes like a lot of other chinese policies. The system allowed ali to analyse the data it has on all its sellers on Taobao and provided the needed risk analysis for them to give them a credit rating for private loans. This fulfilled a void which previously existed in the market as chinese banks were reluctant to provide loans to e-merchants, and allowed ant financial services (their subsidary) to massively profit from those short-mid term loans to merchants. The repayment rate was really high and they essentially take on minimal risk because of the years of revenue data and spending habits from merchants were avaliable through taobao. This then also spawned products such as 余额宝，花呗 and similar products from tencent which eventually got hit by the regulatory hammer that eventually ended with Jack Mas semi retirement. Interesting topic for another video to cover :) Sorry if the rambling made little sense, this was typed up from what i remembered on top of my head. Where as your videos were extremely well researched and covers many aspects of the topics, I always recommend this channel to people I know who wishes to have an actual informed view on China. Once again thanks for all the vids

[@Pushing_Pixels]

So it's like the west, in that it's about financial credit primarily, and that private companies are managing the data separately from the government?

[@anom274]

I have recently been to shanghai, china. I have met many locals and talked with them. When i asked them about the social credit score they laughed because that doesn’t even exist in China. I was in disbelief that such a big subject is straight up a huge lie to spread negative propaganda. Don‘t believe everything you see!😂

[@ezkl.M]

A CCP robot again.

[@Omniback20]

​@@ezkl.Mparanoid

[@BioTheHuman]

​@@Omniback20He's right lol. You can find videos of westerners who lived in China and perfectly explain the thing. The social cred score was explained by the Communist Party itself and released to the public, you can find the documents. The only problem is that the system didn't seem to have worked or maintained properly, but the intention is definitely there and I doubt that they've definitely abandoned it. There is a China region where they firstly began the tests and people really were blocked as you here in the memes

[@klaci003]

China is so democratic

[@xmar4497]

@@ezkl.M 你觉得有就有吧，如果这能让你舒服一点。反正你怎么想对我们也没啥影响。

[@alfaindomart1766]

I disagree with you not blaming the journalists. This is coming from someone who used to consider becoming a journalist as a future career. In my undergraduate thesis, i took the topic of China and international propaganda and news media as my main subjects. It was at the time of HK protest, closely followed by the pandemic. International perception of China was at the lowest, anyone will believe any negative report about China, common sense be damned. Everyday, I read every piece of article that came out, opinion pieces, research journals, books, until i was sick. I quickly got disillusioned by those news media that i once respected. The amount of hate, generated from the half-assed article and clickbait headline, is really sickening. If I, an undergraduate student, who can't speak or read chinese, has no access to chinese translator, or networks of information and connections like these big media have, can see the actual context and story behind those bombastic headline, then they have no excuse! Those journalists and editors surely know the big influence they have on society and public policy. Yet they don't seem to care at all. They know people will click on anything with China in the title. They know people will engage the content, debate in the comments, and share the article more than any other topic. So many asian americans got insulted, assaulted in this past 3 years. Lives lost, injury for life, and not to mention the mental trauma and fear that they have to live with. And i have no doubt the bombastic headlines and half-assed articles played a big role in it.

[@B121AN1]

You wrote an article only to post it in KZbin comment section? Good luck getting anywhere with your journalistic career.

[@魏子茗-q8c]

lol mate, dont bother reasoning with amerimutts who pick up random bullsh!t from their media, keep on with your career of truth seeking, and good luck!

[@QuattroRipassi]

I did my own in-depth research about the subject, and I can confirm this video is the best in explaining how things actually work without hype or drama.

[@maxerd]

This really hits the nail on the head when it comes to China's bureaucratic dysfunction. At the core of it all is 'appearance over substance'. Local governments cutting corners or making big splashes to meet quotas or impress higher ups.

[@yiping7193]

don't know about cutting corners more like lack of standards and experience. It is abit like the wild west you have the make up the rules and standards. Keep in mind most local gov only become revlant in the last 20 yrs or so.

[@maxerd]

@@yiping7193 Cutting corners is twofold; one is saving money for the sake of saving money, and two is apathy. For example tofu dreg projects and painting the hill green.

[@sleepyjoe4529]

You make it sound like it's unique to China

[@maxerd]

@@sleepyjoe4529 Every country has its bureaucratic dysfunction, but China's blend is particularly extreme. Call it bureaucracy with Chinese characteristics.

[@yiping7193]

That is few and rare , wouldn’t say doesn’t happen because its does. If you get caught and they do get caught it is a quick way to end your political career. In China unlike anywhere else failure is punished quickly. Very few ppl understand competition in China is crazy a lot of ppl is waiting in line for you the fail.

[@jdatlas4668]

oh hey i was digging into this like a year ago for a presentation/paper, it's a *fascinating* mess

[@me0101001000]

Is it a paper that is meant to be published? If so, pls provide the DOI

[@SkillUpMobileGaming]

@@me0101001000 They said "presentation/paper," so probably not published in a journal

[@趙珂蘭]

I was an intern for a Chinese court and I'm the one who gave restriction orders. Basically if you owe debt to someone and they sued you, and you're seriously defaulted, I would put you on the restriction list. You can't take airplane, high-speed train, and anything that costs more than average money (but you can still take slower train or drive). The whole point is to force the people who are able but avoided/hide from the debt to pay. It's pretty useful bc I got several people paying their debt immediately they found they couldn't board the plane. I got those social credit jokes a lot and I was genuinely thinking, bruh, I understand you need to show your supreme proud of liberty or what not. But do some research before you mock your imagination. If you do the research and reason me about China in whatever respect, I'm hands down listening to you.

[@mrmr446]

That makes it sound to me as if the average Brit or American has more data points stored about them just that much of it is held by private companies and not the government. Logistically the SCS always seemed to be overhyped to me thanks for the explanation.

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@stefanschneider3681]

Weii done, I personally like the less loud, but more balanced voices. Best sentence in my eyes: „They are all people“! That’s exactly what I think: Every human is struggling with itself and everything around him / her, trying to find a way that fits itself, it’s possibilities and opportunities.

[@ZiyanHong-n3f]

The fun part of Social Credit is that a Chinese need ask other what is Social Credit

[@markdowding5737]

6:30 "dictators don't have that luxury" They can still, and often do, blame foreign entities for all their country's problems. North Korea does that all the time.

[@johntitor414]

North Korea can do that because none of their citizens can travel to foreign countries to see for themselves. Meanwhile 155 million chinese travel to foreign countries for holidays every year. Ironically much less percentage of Americans travel overseas per year, reasons why American medias can lie blatantly to american people about foreign countries non-stop

[@testacals]

and north korea is right. You can't really act like so many sanctions has zero impact on economy

[@MrLucas2490]

@@testacals same for Cuba. USA media blames the party for making the island poor and preventing their people from having access to luxury items and services, then uses as proof speaches of people who risked their lives to flee from the island. At the same time, the USA's government applies sanctions to whoever sells them anything, making the sellers increase prices to cover for the risk of being sanctioned, and effectively incentivizes people to risk their lives to flee the island (they usually only allow entrance and give the incentives if people take the most dangerous course, which is crossing the caribean sea all the way to Florida, they do not easily recognize people who flee by land through Mexico, even if they prove they're not mexicans) with a greencard, health support and other programs like job finding. Edit: rewrote the parenthesis as it was misleading.

[@MrLucas2490]

Reference: www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/orr/Benefits-for-Cuban-Haitian-Entrants.pdf

[@RanEncounter]

​@@testacals But that is putting the cart before the horse. Do you think that the sanctions are there for no reason?

[@Mao11622]

The first ever in-depth analysis of the credit system. Great work!

[@neanda]

as a chinese. there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@Habib_Osman]

Nah.. I saw a video destroying the social credit system in China myth like a year ago. It is called China's Social Credit System: Fact vs. Fiction, and it was featured on the channel The Diplomat.

[@pingpongdonkeykongkong]

I have lived in china for almost 8 years. One thing you mentioned in your video is that due to public backlash to the social credit score the government abandoned it. Yes, unlike what many westerners believe, the government does actually listen to its people. I am happy that unlike soooo many videos about China being this horrible miserable place to live you were unbiased and quite accurate in your content.

[@kamlay7234]

The government didn't listen to the people at all. If they care, why didn't they ask the people's opinions before implementing this system?

[@MichelePonte]

I will suggest this video every time I get people commenting about the social credit score. Thank you

[@bbaekkhyyunne_4750]

As a newcomer from China in the U.S., when I searched for "China" on KZbin firstly without a VPN, I wasn't surprised to find numerous videos talking about China's economy potentially collapsing. After all, I often come across negative news about the American economy on Chinese media, and it seems like a tit-for-tat between countries with different ideologies. However, what really caught me off guard was the frequent mention of the "credit system." I had never heard of this term before. I initially thought it was just like a credit score, much like the ones based on your credit card history in the U.S. But the idea of a credit score tied to surveillance seemed absurd to me.

[@gknkrnkjgjugjrgjrng]

CHINA ECONOMY IS NOT COLLAPSING,BUT IT HAS SLOWED DOWN AND WOULD NEVER CATCH UP WITH AMERICA

[@odzergaming]

@@gknkrnkjgjugjrgjrngsee you next century

[@chongjunxiang3002]

I go to subreddit such as china_irl so many time, where there is a lot of real PRC citizen with dissident opinion hangout. And they enjoy the SCS meme very much, because 1. It seems like only English media are hysteric about this, so how about we play along with it. 2. Nobody in China care, at all. Imagine if SCS is as real as media describe, the 内卷 (involutary toxic competitive) society of China will suddenly cause China to be the most volunteering society in the world, where everyone is donating blood everyday just to make sure they can be the first to get the train ticket in next Chinese New Year.

[@sunshineteenager-l1z]

If you want to learn about the lives of Chinese people and the history of China before 1949 on the internet, you can go to Chinese websites such as "百度贴吧" and "Bilibili". Of course, if you want to know something related to politics, the information on these websites may be inaccurate because China has strict censorship on political and historical information after 1949.

[@odzergaming]

How does donating blood give you the first train ticket?

[@yinyanggreninja5720]

As a Chinese person that has lived in china for quite a bit of time in beijing(capital)I never knew about this in my life but if it somehow got under my nose for 10 years then my score better be high

[@hansu230]

专门治老赖的，那些开口闭口信用分的，可能已经着魔了

[@Strykenine]

I'd like to point out that if this is shown to 'work' in China, this kind of thing will show up in other places as well. Americans lived without credit scores until almost the nineties. It's hard to say that life has become signifigantly better since then, though we have much, much less privacy.

[@zennyzenzen]

I have an outstanding credit score and all they have is my government information. So unless banks and social security numbers didn't exist before the nineties, I'd say not much has changed.

[@zennyzenzen]

oh and for privacy? opt out. No one is stopping you from data collection. Head to your settings and start checking privacy policies before you sign up to stuff. Your data being collected is all you.

[@oliversmith2129]

@@zennyzenzen It's kinda cute how you think that clicking on "don't collect my data" would stop them from collecting your data.

[@altrag]

> It's hard to say that life has become signifigantly better since then Depends what you mean by "life". Its not going to change your ability to get coffee and donuts, but it significantly streamlines things like loan applications (mortgage, payment plan for cars, etc) for those who have good credit, while protecting the loan providers from those who have a habit of defaulting. Of course if you don't need a loan, its not going to impact your life too much. Some employers check credit history under the idea that people with bad credit are more likely to defraud the company or steal from the register or whatever. That's kind of a negative in my opinion as it punishes bad luck more than it punishes bad people, and that's not really fantastic imo. There's definitely some outright negatives coming from the credit score system, but there's also some definite positives as well even if you personally haven't noticed them.

[@Strykenine]

@@zennyzenzen This is the most Zoomer thing I've ever heard. My guess is you feel this way because you have never lived without it. And now, you never will.

[@Piniuli2]

Exceptional video! As a westerner living in China I only can congratulate the accuracy of this video. 100% to point

[@deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813]

2:24 mouse casually strolling by

[@Fei_Ge]

I am Chinese and I live in China. In fact, I can't find the corresponding "Social Credit score" in China at all. But according to this statement, I think the most matching is that after committing a crime, there will be a record, and it will be difficult to find a job. In fact, there is a similar, called the credit information system, this is to prevent some people owe money to the bank, but also can get away with murder. So if you really travel to China, you will find that a lot of media exaggerates the negative image of China.

[@DragonTamerCos]

This is a good test for polymatters integrity

[@BloodRider1914]

Never assume malicious intent when the truth is incompetence.

[@AshiwiZuni]

What really gets me upset is how most American Pundits refer to that hyper-dystopian social credit system, meanwhile in the US, your credit score contributes heavily to your social status. I mean think about how much capital is connected to social status wether it be at the millionaire level, or the “small business owner” type, and even to homeowners.

[@ImTheApexBoy]

Super informative as always, thank you!

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

The definition of an algorithm is simple: a finite set of unambiguous instructions that, given some set of initial conditions, can be performed in a prescribed sequence to achieve a certain goal and that has a recognizable set of end conditions. Examples: 1. x + y 2. if x - 4 == y + 3 { return x } else { y } 3. The entire Neovim program

[@Karearearea]

I was waiting for you to drop the big 'revealing truth' at 4:00... and then these big ominous letters slowly faded in to fill the screen... SKILL SHARE. Lmao

[@seanwoo9140]

as Chinese， I had never heard of Social Credit System, except on youtube and foreign media.🤣

[@Randleray]

And this exactly why i simply dont trust any organizations or private people which speak about countries - no matter the topic - which have never been there nor have actual contacts to people from there. And the most disturbing thing is, if you have lived in countries like China for a substantial amount of time, you can not only detect bs journalism like this on that very country, but you are able to detect any bs journalism about any country fairly easy. "The West" critiques China for being absolutely controlling... but the interesting part comes, if you not only live in China, but also have somewhat close ties to average chinese citizens. Their perspective is not simply opposite of what the west says. It has a complete different view on things alltogether. Just one example: One friend in China asked me once if it is safe to visit Europe. I was adequately disturbed by that question, because generally Europe is a very safe space to traverse compared to the rest of the world. The answer from my friend on that was, and I quote: 'But there are no public secruity cameras in most places, there can happen all sorts of bad things'. And that moment it clicked to me, that 90% of what western media reports about Asia or china in partucular is absolute bs, because they try to apply a western point of view to a vastly different world perspective over there in China... Sure enough, the normal citizen is somewhat chained due to the harsh inner politics of China... but you could say almost the same about America, where the average citizen cannot escape the absolute bloodthristy capitalism and is always forced into the role of a consumer-zombie.

[@lordprotector80]

Bang on analysis

[@spiraI64]

Very interesting video, thanks!

[@sawyerjacobson1]

I always wondered what the context was behind the social credit memes 💀

[@Rex-ww4cw]

Attempt to brainwashed the world to hate China

[@doyouguysnothavephones8967]

Great job! It’s so hard to find neutral content on China these days, but you delivered.

[@KnowL-oo5po]

agi will be man's last invention

[@theronerdithas2944]

Very good video. I am glad you demystified the cload of my misinformation and ignorance about this topic. I wonder how you got so much info on some of these systems in China. Maybe my perception on how hard it is to get is wrong or you spent a good amount of time researching and talking to people from China for this video. Again very nice.

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@RobertScholten]

I think also that Black Mirrror episode helped people imagine it ... I remember ppl would say something like "remember that black mirror episode with the social credit score? China is building something like that right now" etc

[@IRosamelia]

What an excellent video, thanks for clearing this up!

[@nanxingluo4902]

I am Chinese living in China. I don't know the existence of such a social credit system.

[@perfectdark287]

im American living in America. Trust me, there is a social credit system. I heard it on facebook...

[@treeinafield5022]

​@@perfectdark287😂

[@MrTynanDraper]

Obviously you never attended a Covid lockdown protest or criticized the CCP online. Then you would quickly learn about the social credit system!

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@neanda]

@@perfectdark287 there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@nmsl4133]

Asking a person if he/she believes China’s “Social Credit System” exists is the best way to test that person’s intelligence and the reliability of his/her information sources.

[@StarsManny]

That doesn't make any sense

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Sounds like ESG ratings by Blackrock but for individuals. To the video’s point about verifiable systems, the ESG one is very well documented and actively pushed in the US

[@TheNoerdy]

Wonderful video. Best one since your Sri Lanka video.

[@Larkinchance]

When the US says that an enemy is constructing an onerous surveillance on all it citizen, you can be sure that the US is doing the same thing

[@c0l0jar0]

This is too nuanced, it must be wrong. I prefer my facts black and white. 😊

[@liu3gz]

As a Chinese living in the USA, I’ve completely no idea what Chinese social credit is, but I’m fully aware of my USA credit score and I’m super careful to keep my score to be above 780ish.

[@sawyerjacobson1]

When I saw the memes for social credit, I always assumed it was fake. The fact that the story reached the White House just shows how fast misinformation can spread

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@Habib_Osman]

That's what people say under this video. Yet, hundreds of these toxic propaganda videos are still available on KZbin.. and scepticism is Extremely rare. Funny how suddenly like a third of all people in this comment section claim to have seen straight through the nasty propaganda all this time.

[@Fauzanarief-n7i]

white house doesnt care whether those information are accurate or not, as long if those could make their enemy look bad they would accept it, Just like WMD or nayirah testimony of iraq

[@uptwist2260]

Your videos really do keep getting better and better

[@connorshaw5638]

Thanks this was fascinating

[@mokomdane4297]

I can't thank you enough for clearifying this to me, I really had a distorted view of how things where going on in China.

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@Habib_Osman]

Wow, huge respect for your honesty! Very rare for people to be so honest. After hearing the truth, about half of all people will claim that they always saw through it. We see this strongly in this comment section.

[@sojuscrimestats]

thank the racism in media

[@victoryh67]

Why didn’t I know anything about it, I’m a Chinese

[@Kanalankettu]

1000+ Social credits added to you.

[@dedasalmeida9047]

Would like to see you debate "China Uncensored", "Laowhy" and "Serpentza" on this 😂

[@bathhatingcat8626]

Or me- any of us who have lived in China over 10 years

[@EmmaNguyen-mg5xq]

These Channels are sinophobic, racist and Spreading Western Propaganda. They can barely speak Chinese.

[@Yaoiekimi]

These people profit by telling shock stories and cater to audiences that want to hear barbarian horrors to satisfy themselves. No point in debating them. They are essentially online politicians.

[@PurpleDoritos666]

All those guys hate China yet they are married to Chinese women can’t make it up lmao 😂

[@alexgamer3312]

China Uncensored is associated with the Falun Gong cult, while Laowhy and SerpentZA are basically being anti-China.

[@wisdomhappy587]

Beautiful nuance, thank you

[@Default78334]

As the old Chinese saying goes, "The mountains are high and the emperor is far away" (山高皇帝远). For the most part, people in China have greater trust in the central government than in the local authorities which is a state of affairs that generally benefits the CPC.

[@lewishiggins8138]

Extremely educational and well explained!! One of your best videos by far

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@Redrios]

where's my black mirror dystopia!!

[@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023]

4:59 "Full-blown attack on Uyghurs". Yeah, just like the Hutu started a "full-blown attack" on the Tutsi back in 1994. Seriously, lets call a genocide a genocide instead of using these euphemisms.

[@CuteTemari]

I'm Chinese. After I went to Europe, that's the first time I heard the system. It is a slang term I guess.

[@loadingnewads]

As a Chinese person…I recovered that I know nothing about the credit system and even didn’t;t notice the existence of it when I was in China😂

[@MrTynanDraper]

Maybe you should talk to some Uyghur people from Xinjiang about intense monitoring and social rating system..because it absolutely is used on them. Though at this point they would be afraid to talk about it with a Han Chinese.

[@Rex-ww4cw]

​@@MrTynanDraper the reason of that is because Xinjiang border Afghanistan and it is the only places in China that have terrorist activities in it. There's literally 2000-2014 news video of terrorist stabbing and blowing up people in KZbin.

[@第二人生-h2z]

​@@MrTynanDraper 你就是为了诽谤而诽谤，作为土生土长的中国人都不了解，你去过中国吗？看了报纸就以为掌握信息了。

[@若兮-c5r]

@@MrTynanDraper 装睡的人，叫不醒，叫不醒…

[@漢人-g4n]

​@@MrTynanDrapermost Chinese have little fear to Uyghur, because they did carry out many terrorist attacks, my hometown Kunming was attacked by Islamic terrorists, which killed nearly 200 people.

[@TheColorman]

Wow, it's pretty eye-opening how mischaracterised the system is in media, spoken about as fact when it barely exists

[@xmar4497]

无数关于中国的事情都是如此

[@becomingfr33]

Tell that to all the journalists blacklisted for criticising the CCP

[@TheColorman]

@@becomingfr33 I'm not trying to defend the CCP in any way; it's a regime with numerous human rights violations conducting an active genocide. But that doesn't mean exaggerations/false reporting on them is okay. A great example of this is news reporting on North Korea which is significantly overexaggerated in the west. BoyBoy has a great video about that topic called "We went to North Korea to get a haircut"

[@megadeuce-b7c]

@@TheColorman How did this barely exist? He explained that they did in fact create a system that punished bad behavior through blacklisting. I really don't understand how people take from this that everything said about the social credit score was wrong. It was actually quite true, most of it, just that it didn't affect all of China. It was quite clearly implemented and enforced.

[@TheColorman]

@@megadeuce-b7c You've changed my mind on this a bit

[@LishhFlexx]

Ahh! It's so refreshing to hear the TRUTH for once. Thank- you sir, for making this eye-opening video! A new subscriber here.

[@neanda]

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

[@nirui.o]

Btw, the word "legal person" in the document provide at 4:28 means Legal Entity.

[@outofmyface]

Indeed! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

[@remka2000]

Fascinating. I appreciate the debunking, this makes much more sense.Thank you. Reminds me a bit of an engineer joke we had in my previous company : Say big data for investors, machine learning for project managers, and statistics to hire actual devs... 😅

[@harunsuaidi7349]

This situation really captures our current condition of our relationship with the media and indeed information itself. So much things are lost in the echo chambers full of misunderstanding, half-truths, prejudice, and motivated reasoning.