Polyurethane Subframe Bush Insert Fitting

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[@matparker3729]

Great video. Perfect overview of how to fit these items. Many thanks for posting it. I put these in my car (a 2000 V70N T5 with nearly 240k on the tacho) and they made a significant difference. I'd already poly bushed both sets of front bushes, which certainly stiffened up the front end, but the improvement in turn-in and feel when these were fitted was very noticeable on top of the bushing. They're a great product. Pretty cheap, easy to fit, and in the case of an aging car with a few miles on it, a very effective and economical buy. A steal, really, next to the bill for a main dealer replacement of the rubber original items. They really do make a tangible difference to the feel and tautness of the car. If you've got an older car with a few miles on the clock, I'd highly recommend them.

[@BMWI-gk9wh]

Bet you made me get emm ordered lol

[@bigbluechopper24]

Thanks for another great video! Fitted these to my v70 with 145,000 miles and it significantly improved the steering feel. When inserting them I found the front right mount was damaged but the rest weren't too bad, the rear left was in great condition.

[@BlastReadingSeries]

I couldn't get these into my 98 S70 bushings for the life of me. Even after I lubed them up good with some synthetic grease! I ended up having to do this job twice (the first time I used Proparts bushings and they failed a 1000 miles later). Second time around with OE bushings the car's been an absolute dream... It's good to know it can be done! Thanks for posting!

[@TheRSGarage]

Just about to do this, so thanks for the simple video! Much appreciated!

[@douglasamp46]

Simon your videos are the best and very detailed. Thanks mate.

[@stephenfoster4255]

Love your videos dude and knowledge for volvo. Keep up the great work 👍

[@rickledbetterbobbyblue6386]

I installed these on my P2 volvo and they work great! I found a better technique to get them into place: Find a bar that will fit into the subfrrame bushing's inner metal sleeve. I had a 12" long, 0ne inch dia. bar and that worked fine Silicone grease the heck out of everything - I also sprayed silicone lube into the spaces in the subframe bushing. Slip the insert into place, just enough to hold it. You will find that it is easier to push into place on one side over the other Insert the bar into the hole. While pressing up on the insert, rock the subframe bushing back and forth with the metal bar. This will sort of pull the insert into place. The insert will eventually work itself into place, at least enough where you can use the big washer (front) or the rear mount bracket, to push it all the way in.. Just tighten the old bolt to push it into place. No kidding - get new bolts and follow the torquing procedure exactly.

[@sreviz]

Thanks again Simon!!! Another useful video. Added to my todo list for this Summer.

[@sirobb]

sreviz Great and I hope it goes well Saravan. I'm very pleased that I did mine. 👍

[@sirobb]

sreviz You're welcome. It's a great modification. 👍

[@eviesgrandma7258]

!st Class job yet again Simon! Thank you.

[@user-cp4jc5my9n]

Perfect job. Congratulation from Austria 🇦🇹.

[@EllwinG075]

Another great video from Simon. Thanks mate that will be my next job, I think😬.

[@sirobb]

+Ellwin G Thanks and let me know how it goes for you. 👍

[@scimitar123]

I thought these might just be a bit of a gimmick.... How wrong could I be! I can't believe the difference this has made. Thanks for the advice.

[@b0bb01]

Hi Simon, another excellent video. Can I ask where you place the axle stands while the car is raised to enable fitting the bush inserts. When I put my car on stands (same model as yours with 163 D5 EUROIII) I normally place them under the sub frame rear brackets, maybe this is wrong but it's worked for years so far! So any advice greatfully received. Thanks, Bob.

[@MrVenomSVK]

Wou nice video. I must to do it to my S60 T5

[@andyholmes4676]

Interesting, just did mine today, but mine had plastic kinda cap/shield things between the large washer and bush. I also got a little flood out of two of them!

[@MrKushinator420]

Hey, I'm doing PCV and trying to replace MAP sensor as well. Problem is, on most videos it shows it on the fuel rail, but my 2003 v70 2.4t I cannot find the sensor anywhere for the life of me. I've taken off all intercooler hoses, turbo charge air pipe... Any idea where it is placed?

[@bootyman234]

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[@anfahrt]

What exactly is the difference in the ride of the car when you install these subframe bushing inserts? Is it more stable at higher speeds? Do you need to realign the car after installing these inserts? Great video! Thanks.

[@humblehoodie9521]

hey, may i ask what car this is for? or is this only for volvo category of vehicles?

[@Peppermint1]

I am replacing the entire bushes. With the correct technique, it is actually quite simple, but there are indeed a few tricks, otherwise it's a pain. It may actually be even faster that these inserts which don't always go in that easily. The downside with the inserts is they don't help much the side movement of the bush which is already soft (the bushing has side reinforcements). Genuine bushes are about $30 each so not too expensive.

[@henrikloiske8572]

Did this make a big difference in handling the car ?? I just bought 4 new bolts from Volvo..for 19.20 pounds, cheap :) I will order these inserts and give it a try :)

[@Peppermint1]

Interesting to note that the original bush works mostly on a side-to-side movement of the subframe, thus effectively affecting the steering feel. However the polyurethane insert will mostly work on a forward-rearward movement. I wonder how efficient are these be to correct a vague steering feel due to worn original bushes?

[@looncraz]

The shape of the inserts causes the unwanted side to side movement to also mostly cease unless the bushing is completely eroded.

[@glasser2819]

that is a great question! Essentially the rubber ages into soft chewing-gum and creates the perfect "old car feel" with very few bad parts that need replacement. The ultimate would be new bushings + inserts to cancel unwanted motion .

[@helgelassesen6019]

Hi Simon Many thanks for many useful instruction videos, however FYG - i have a XC 70 D5 2006 and I discovered that in front i could fit in the inserts however in the rear my Volvo was fitted with solid bushings hence no space for inserts. So now I have 2 in spare😊

[@sirobb]

Helge Lassesen Interesting.... Thanks for the info. I wonder if the rear solid bushes are original?

[@helgelassesen6019]

SiRobb B Yes they are, I have owned this car as from new- only changed bushings in the wishbones Brgd

[@jakubj.483]

i did the same wich my but noise was from drive shaft

[@thestrokes679]

Can you comment on any improvement you've noticed in ride quality? I am chasing down the reason for my rough ride and I have so far replaced all major suspension components (struts and strut bearing, ball joint, control arm bushings, sway bar links, inner/outer tie rods). Short of replacing the actual subframe bushings I am wondering if this will make a difference for me.

[@sirobb]

thestrokes679 The improvement in ride was subtle but very noticeable and if I was in your position, I would definitely fit the inserts.

[@skerymovy2]

Hi! Just did this and have a question - did your rear mounting brackets seated back as flush with the subframe as before? Because mine did not. I have a gap of about 4-5 mm. This worries me.

[@sirobb]

I would check your work again. Doing this job correctly, you're not doing anything that will stop the plate refitting the same as before. .

[@ErMermer]

i've been thinking about this mod for a decent time, but i'm concerned about the extra vibratitions etc that the bushes can pass through.., like most of the poly bushes do.. so, whats your experience with them? (sorry if my english is incorrectly ^^)

[@sirobb]

Eren Mermer Because you are keeping the original rubber bush and only fitting an insert, there is no extra vibration. 👍

[@ErMermer]

SiRobb thnx for your fast reply! i know what i need to order now :)

[@smokemagnet]

Great video! Thanks! Are these good for a S60 D5? Where can I buy them?

[@sirobb]

Yes, I have them fitted to my S60. Bought from eBay.

[@darrenaston1776]

Hi Simon. Just have to subframe bushes done but I brought the insert before I had them done. Is it worth putting them in as Well. Tia

[@glasser2819]

this is the best combination!

[@chucky2316]

Hello Simon do you have a eBay link for the inserts, mines a s60 d5 just a newer one and would you recommended doing them on a s60 that's done 105 thousand

[@GoldenGrenadier]

Bob Hope ipd has them on their site.

[@bencharlton3210]

agreed, address to my list of jobs. please would you post a link of the inserts that you recommend and what is the purpose of doing do this? I also assume the s80 d5 would use the same setup? thank you again Ben

[@sirobb]

Ben Charlton There are a few sellers of these so I would advise anyone to do their own (very quick) research and check with the seller for compatibility. The S80 shares many common parts so I'd be very surprised if these aren't suitable but ask the supplier.

[@kendalltull9854]

Ben Charlton I read on IPD's website that there was a service bulletin for the S80 and an additional rear subframe o-ring was recommended. www.ipdusa.com/products/8283/115683-subframe-o-ring-addresses-sub-frame-knocking-noise The bushings are the same for the P2 models according to that site. I ordered a set of these inserts from them as well as the o-rings to try out.

[@tamasneda2204]

Another great video Simon! Thank you very much! My subframe bushings on a 2005 xc90 2,4 awd were quite worn, and I had some cracks at start and stop so I decide to fit these inserts. These inserts apparently solved the problem, I have no more cracks when I start or breaking, but sometimes when I turn the steering wheel to the maximum and I go backwards, or sometimes when I start and cross a small curb and the steering wheel is turned I heard a louder crack. It is possible that the hole yoke to move? I also had a problem with the direction. I adjusted the direction twice. After a few km it goes awry. The steering wheel is no longer in the normal position and pulls to the right. Usually if I turn the car on the road something hits and the direction returns to normal, after that it goes wrong again. I changed all the bushings, arms, sprockets, but the problem still persists. I have no noise at bumps. I had in many services too but they didn`t find the problem. Can you help me with a suggestion? I saw that you are a Volvo specialist, you helped me with your another great video about the vacuum engine mounts. Thank you very much!

[@sirobb]

Hi, first job is to get a laser wheel alignment done by a professional.

[@tamasneda2204]

@@sirobb Thank you for your quick answer. It was done the laser wheel alignment 2 times before, but after about a few km-s, I had the same problem.

[@sirobb]

@@tamasneda2204 The steering wheel is keyed so can only fit in one position and not slip. If the control arms have been replaced, the track rods are correctly adjusted, the subframe is secure and not out of alignment and the tyres are in good condition, matching and inflated correctly, I can't think of anything else unfortunately.

[@tamasneda2204]

@@sirobb Thanks' again. I didn't know how can be verified if the subframe is out of alignment or not. I only put the inserts one by one and after that I put new bolts and tight them up with the recomended torque. Thanks.

[@causelessharm4444]

How are these holding up 4 years on? Seems there are a few options for inserts, some more dear than others. Thanks.

[@sirobb]

Mine are still great 5 years on and the V70 in this video is still going strong too. It's quite a "dumb" component which is well held in so doesn't need big money spending on it. The biggest difference is fitting them in the first place rather than whether you spend £20 or £100 on the insert.

[@djr3485]

Thanks Simon, really enjoy your videos. What is the reason Volvo specifies that the bolts are non reusable? Is it because the corrosion coating could be compromised during removal and reinstallation? They don't appear to be TTY bolts.

[@sirobb]

DJ R According to Volvo, they are tty bolts along with the bolts for the driveshaft, crank pulley and others. Thank you for your support. 👍

[@douglasamp46]

SiRobb Hi Simon, I've got a question for you mate and hope you can help me out. well I have vacuum issue with my volvo XC90 2003 d5 and I there is that popping noise coming from the engine but when I block or close the tvc like you did in a video, nothing happens, I mean the noise still the same. I have replaced the 5 mounts but do you think I should replace the tvc? thanks for your time and hope you can continue with those videos that really help a lot.

[@sirobb]

Douglas Sampedro Hi Douglas, when the noise continues, that means that the vacuum loss is further upstream. The obvious starting point is to remove the small rubber hose from the vacuum pump itself and block the nipple on the vacuum pump to see if the noise goes away. You ideally need to do this with a vacuum tester which should show a steady, full vacuum reading. If this happens, the noise should also go away meaning the vacuum loss is then in the boost solenoid behind the starter motor or the associated pipework or the VNT actuator. Any flickering of the needle on the tester when connected directly to the vacuum pump means that the the pump seals need replacing. Great care must be taken with the tester connections to ensure accurate reading of any vacuum loss. Hope that helps and thanks for your comment.

[@douglasamp46]

SiRobb Thanks a lot Simon for your advice and support. You have a nice day mate.

[@sirobb]

Douglas Sampedro No problem. Let me know what you find.

[@davidbacchi8655]

Hi Simon, I realise this is an older video and I hope I will receive an answer. Do the the bolts need to be tightened to a specific torque? Thanks in advance,

[@sirobb]

Yes just like every bolt. Around 100Nm on mine but always check the workshop manual for the exact figure.

[@panteaflorin6783]

105 Nm

[@davidbacchi8655]

Thank you

[@ChrisFredriksson]

Really nice video! But why is it empty? Is this just extras that Volvo never intended to have there or whats the story, do you know? Whats the difference between before and after?

[@sirobb]

Chris Fredriksson It's empty for comfort and vibration damping but the bush deteriorates over the years and allows more movement. They can eventually tear and cause banging and poor handling. The insert basically restores (and maybe improves) the bush's original structure yet doesn't cause any vibration issues in my experience. As I mentioned in a comment lower down, the difference was subtle but noticeable and made the front end feel like a new car. Whilst results may vary dependant on the condition of different bushes, I've only heard positive comments about this modification.

[@gregmonaghan]

Nice job Simon. I already have the parts - just waiting for slightly warmer weather!

[@sirobb]

+Greg Monaghan Great. Post up an update when with your thoughts once you've done it. 👍

[@gregmonaghan]

Job done today. No problems, thanks for the video.

[@sirobb]

Greg Monaghan Excellent. I suppose the noticeable difference will depend on the state of the original bushes. Mine have done high mileage so the improvement was marked. Even if yours were in good nick, I think that shoring them up with inserts can still be a good thing.

[@alpinab14]

Hi simon hope your doing well mate , just wounding the only kit i can find on ebay uk is for x4 inserts but it says its a front kit ? is this the same kit you purchased but used 2 for the front and 2 for the rear ? thanks in advance mate

[@sirobb]

alpinab14 Hi, I assume it's called a front kit because your car has a front and rear subframe but we're only dealing with the front subframe here. The kit I used contains 4 identical inserts. As always, check with the supplier for compatibility and I hope it all goes well for you. 👍

[@alpinab14]

Thanks for a quick reply mate much appreciated , im actually sat hear infront of the computer on onlinecar parts.co.uk just about to blow 500 quid on the old girl , car i got is also a 2002 d5 mine has 201k on it which ive had for over 3 years and can say its the best car i ever owned , apart from oil changes ive hardly spent anything on it for the time i had it so i thought its about time i suck it up and get whats needs done

[@sirobb]

alpinab14 If you like the car, it's worth every penny and I totally understand your situation. I've had mine 5 years and will be keeping it forever so spending money on quality parts is an easy decision. onlinecarparts/autodoc are a great supplier too so good choice.

[@alpinab14]

SiRobb perfect mate I've never ordered from there before so wasent sure as I don't know if parts are coming from UK or Germany and if they are coming from Germany then how long they will take but hopefully shouldn't be too bad and hopefully the order will be correct as getting a fair amount wishbones vacume engine mounts gearbox mount intercooler ball joints and all the usual service items , the cars been amazing to me never let me down I'm actually getting either a e90 bmw 330i or a 335i at some point this year but 2 main reasons for getting the s60 all sorted is a I've dragged it on for ages this stuff should have been replaced at least a year ago so parts well and truly past it and second I've become a bit sentimental towards this particular car and ever tho there is not a huge amount of money in the car very little actually the car has to go to someone I know like a friend or family member as I would like to see the car around for a long time yet so I guess it's doing a good turn for both the car to ensure she lives on and who ever gets the car will be getting a car better than they ever imagine , that's the thought behind it anyway lol

[@sirobb]

alpinab14 You're definitely doing the right thing. onlinecarparts stuff comes from Germany which is why you can get brands that are quite rare over here. Nearly all my brake video parts (made by ATE) came from them. ATE make the genuine Volvo brake parts. Delivery takes about 1 week. Ref: vacuum mounts, Meyle and Corteco are identical to genuine Volvo mounts, they just have Volvo scrubbed off. I got a Wahler thermostat assembly too which is also the genuine Volvo part.

[@chikismasterson]

I couldn't install mine. They are completely sealed from bottom all around. Did you have to cut it?

[@sirobb]

No, the spaces were already there by design on mine.

[@EmilBMWable]

You have a D5 right? Doesn't it give too much vibrations because it's a diesel? I'm looking to buy these for my V70 D5

[@sirobb]

The subframe inserts have no effect on the D5 vibrations. Polybush upper or lower torque mounts would though so you don't want to "upgrade" every rubber mounting components.

[@EmilBMWable]

@@sirobb thanks! I'll order the subframe inserts!

[@solow970]

Are the kits the same for the front and rear subframes?

[@sirobb]

I haven't seen a rear subframe kit so I don't know unfortunately.

[@BMWI-gk9wh]

Should I get these , and the metal top inserts?

[@niteblaster1]

Never heard of metal top inserts

[@-dgt-mrpropancake9352]

if the bushings are allredy shot can i still do this or do i have to replace the whole thing then?

[@sirobb]

It depends on what you mean by really shot. If the bushing is loose within the subframe or collapsed so it can't accept the insert, you'll need to change the bushing.

[@-dgt-mrpropancake9352]

SiRobb okay, your videoes really cleared up alot of things that were wrong with my car 😊

[@p_pea]

Hi there, do you not do all 8 of the bushes? Apologies if this is a silly question

[@sirobb]

8 bushes.... Are you including the rear subframe?

[@p_pea]

I was just wondering why only 4 inserts are used when I thought there are 4 bushes on each subframe

[@sirobb]

It's only the front that needs doing as those bushes are subjected to larger forces and weight.

[@p_pea]

SiRobb Ah right so in the video you were refering to the front and rear bushes on just the front subframe. Thanks mate for getting back to me, the videos are awesome

[@sirobb]

Yes, I'm dealing with the front subframe only in the video. Thank you for your support.

[@vapehouse9561]

What kind of grease needs to be used?

[@glasser2819]

ONLY NON-PETROLEUM SILICONE! as we know, (normal petroleum) grease turns rubber into "chewing-gum*

[@arschkopp]

how do you know if the subframe bushes are broken?

[@sirobb]

Arsch Kopp It would depend on how many and how bad the bush(es) are.

[@Ascottie75]

Where did you get the bush insert from mate?

[@sirobb]

eBay

[@Ascottie75]

@@sirobb Thanks bud, ive found them from a company called Parts monster @ £23.75.

[@sirobb]

Yes, that's the same as mine. 👍🏾

[@Ascottie75]

@@sirobb received them today, will get them fitted over the weekend. Many thanks mate. 👍

[@alcindorelliott9824]

Does it cause vibration inside the car..

[@sirobb]

No

[@TheWattanneh]

No allignment needed after?

[@sirobb]

Not for me but of course the choice is yours.

[@raymondbrown6479]

Where can I buy it?

[@sirobb]

eBay