Poor Charlie double flats on Mt Baldy - no spare tubes!

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[@davidbolduc828]

Nice video on how to fix sidewall damage and a flat. Been riding 50 years but still haven't moved over to tubeless. Always carry 2 tubes and a patch kit along with a Zephal frame pump. Yes I know it's old school but I've always made it home under my own power.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@davidbolduc828 I’m old skool too! And there’s something to be said about always making it home under your own power. Thanks for watching.

[@tawanga]

I don't run tubeless either, but I would consider it if I lived in the land of goatheads like these guys.

[@n22pdf]

Kudos to you George and Jess for helping this dude.. 👍👍🚴‍♀️🚴🏻I know I’m a dinosaur but I love skewers, tubes, rim brakes, manual pumps.. all just works.. 😊 just my opinion.. Pete 🚴🏻👍🚴‍♀️😊

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@n22pdf WE are dinosaurs 🦖🦕 and I like it that way 😊

[@n22pdf]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoadme to 😊 👍👍🚴

[@ronlosa9544]

Much love, this is why I love cycling and the community. Always someone there to lend a helping hand, just remember to pay it forward. Loved what you did for Charlie and I'm now a subscriber.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Aww thank you! I think the cycling community is like this because we have all been stranded before and someone helped us get home. We all know that dreadful feeling that comes over us when we are out in the boonies and out of tubes, CO2's, cut tire etc. Thank you for taking the time to watch my video and THANK YOU for subscribing!

[@josephlyne8290]

Great video, I think this is the first time on KZbin I’ve seen a realistic puncture situation. I wish I had seen this when I started cycling. Thanks

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Luckily it was a national holiday here and there were a lot of people at this regrouping point. Otherwise he would have been SOL. As you know I keep it real on my channel. I was happy to help this young man who literally didn't have any options on how to get home except for walking all the way down the mountain. We were at 4200 feet he had already walked down from over 6,000 feet to where we met.

[@thomaskuhn6541]

This is why I've gone back to tubes, what a mess having to deal with this sort of thing during a ride. Can't even imagine what it's like for those who are running some sort of tire insert.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

OMG tubeless inserts are a nightmare! It makes removing a tire extremely difficult in a shop environment. I can't image doing it in the field. So far I have been having good luck with flats. I have been running either 30mm or 32mm. 30mm on training rides and 32mm during my long brevets (300km, 400km, 600km) on the "fast" 600km (sub 24 hours R60) I ran 28's on my aero 60mm deep HED Jet wheels. I have not had a flat for months (I just jinxed myself 😊 ) Contrary to popular belief, I always know if I've had a puncture. So many people say "riding tubeless you will have punctures and never know" That's BS I know. You always have the spray. Even tiny punctures leave sealant on your bike somewhere. My bikes get cleaned at least 2x a week.

[@cornelhughes6763]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad don't have an issue removing the insert once at home, easy to use either the tool they (some)come with or a plumber pilers to unseat the tire. I use the insert to protect my low weight carbon rim. They tell me I should be able to ride it home (slowly)on a flat. Its also easier to mount the tire with an insert in hence lessening the possibility of having to resort to a tube.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

⁠I think the safety component of inserts is great! I have only been able to remove the tire with the pliers from Vittoria in a shop environment

[@reginaldscot165]

And this is why I don’t go tubeless, because you end up carrying tubes anyway and the repair is the same. Except one set of tyres are harder to fit, more expensive and you get covered in glue. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@thomaskuhn6541]

You forgot to mention that tubeless tires are also heavier than the clincher version of the same tire.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello Reginald - yes the end result is the same isn't it? The lowly tube has to come to the rescue 😊 Thanks for watching sir

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Yes heavier and some might say more fragile.

[@lenkomsa1399]

Wow what a mess! Not a tubeless fan. I do like that little battery pump! What are your thoughts on that gadget George?

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello Len it's been a while since I've heard from you. I think it's fine. Chaz said it is about 3 CO2 cartridges. My issue is they are freaking expensive. CO2's don't cost hundreds of dollars

[@raulmarquez5485]

Great ambassador to the cycling community; great job George! 🚴🏻‍♂️

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank you Raul! Thanks for watching!

[@sebastianboros3140]

Rim brakes & inner tubes are a golden combination.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Indeed! ❤

[@SteveH98264]

And THAT'S why I'm still running tubes!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

You ain't wrong! 😊

[@LarryGraham7]

Well done George and the Cycling Community, have a great weekend!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

We all came together to help Poor Charlie!

[@cebruthius]

Park Tool VP-1 has never let me down :D

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello and thank you for watching! A valve core tool? Please elaborate how it would have been useful in this situation?

[@cebruthius]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Whoops, I meant VP-1 (or VP-1C). Edited.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

ha ha got it!

[@reginaldscot165]

I want to share this with everyone! 😂

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Please do sir!

[@rodneynoriel1528]

Clinchers back in the that had slashes we use to put dollar bills in it between the tube. It still bulged but it got us home.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Yep paper money works! I would argue I don't carry cash anymore though. I am usually self-contained and if I need anything I use Apple Pay

[@chrisscott8362]

Tyvek paper! You can recycle used usps priority mail soft envelopes (they are tyvek material) as free custom size tire boots. Super light and packable.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@chrisscott8362 yep you can but that would mean planning and packing that ahead of time Most people You meet stranded on the road don’t have anything. So it was important to show Charlie that he could use a GU wrapper or other things on hand.

[@cebruthius]

I read cutting squares from empty toothpaste tubes also works. Haven't tried it myself yet.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

just about anything will work! I once found a condom wrapper and used that to boot my tire! instagram.com/p/BK88Hlij--K/

[@charlesmansplaining]

I double punctured once when I ran over a small 4" long piece of angle iron. It must have fallen from someone hauling scrap because the road was clean except for that one thing. Weird. But anyway I was also tubeless back then. Lucky for me the leaks sealed once the pressure got low enough. I added air and the holes started leaking again down to that point the sealant would work again, probably 20psi. So I had to ride about 5 or 6 miles to get back to base and I could only travel at about 5 miles an hour or my rims would bottom out plus I had to keep my weight evened out on the bike so as not to put too much weight on one wheel. I made it but I think that was the last time I used tubeless setups. Before that I never had a puncture the sealant would fix. Now I always carry 3 TPU tubes and a frame pump. That guy was lucky he had people to help, I usually don't have anyone because I rarely see other cyclists out on the roads I like to ride. You're a good man George, you didn't even say any bad words when you got that goo all over yourself. Thanks for the video.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Grr... Yep this same scenario has happened to me -- just limping home/shop. Regarding the weight balancing thing I've ridden with nearly all my weight on the handlebars on a rear flat just to finish the ride because I couldn't be bothered to change the flat on the last couple of miles home/shop lol

[@patrickparisienne1917]

Great educational video! Good on you for sorting the guys out.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for watching Patrick!

[@raymondtravers6000]

Watching that mess im so glad I didn't take the "red pill " the industry pushes in an effort to sell "newer/better/latest/greatest ".

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

One of my favorite movies! Jessy loves it too!

[@chkhamis101]

This is the video to put you off a tubeless setup.

[@jessicacheck179]

And it was 100% unscripted 😹

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

ha ha "but I"m tubeless" lol!

[@bb-r5710]

Wow, two flats. I do carry tubes/patch kit and pump. I do ride tubeless❤ Great team work for helping a fellow rider😊

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Be prepared for anything right?

[@MrSandperson0]

What horrible luck to double flat on fresh sealant! 😞 Great job coming to Charlie's rescue!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Yes this shouldn’t happen but it did 😢

[@sebastianboros3140]

Man, I cringe thinking about that sealant contaminating the disk rotors. This somehow reminds me of Dr Seuss’s Cat in the Hat, when they were fighting the stain on the bath tub that eventually filled up the whole snow around the house.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Dr Seuss!

[@laurenceraygatchalian6108]

tubeless on road sucks messy AF

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I have mentioned this many times on my channel! Thanks for watching Lauren please consider subscribing

[@draugmithrin]

Spare tubes are a must, also check your repair kit is on bike and works well. Practice with it at home so you don't fail on the trail.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Correct!!

[@xawerionify]

The cause of sidwall holes in the sidewalls is usually a puffing racing tyre . Well, and racing wheels have very thin sidewalls. Which should have been replaced a long time ago. To avoid such problems, it is best to use training tires that are more durable for training.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for watching

[@aaronhamlen8215]

What a mess I can't imagine. Do you recall what brand of tire he was using? I double flatted once while racing a training crit, a long time ago. I flatted two weeks ago at the end of my road the day before an event. I picked up a sharp rock that cut the tread sideways. My Topeak mini pump with gauge saved the day, I also had two tubes.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

He was riding Pirelli P Zero tires. Another one of the bystanders said he rode P Zeros and if you look the closely the gentleman who had the Fumpa Pump also was riding P Zeros. I have only double flatted a few times before. It is super scary when it happens! Thanks for watching Aaron!

[@ae5498]

I quit tubeless on my Ritchey Road logic, the tires do not have a lot of meat to hold the plug. My 2 sats

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for watching! What generation RL do you have? I can fit 32's in my Sallys Macaroons frame. I saw someone on the ride that had Velo Orange brakes and was riding 36mm tires. I think my RL will take 34's. The brake caliper is the limiting factor. The bigger the tire the better chance that tubeless will work.

[@roddas26]

What an absolutely awesome video. How did he triple flat though? 😂

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I'm not sure I am getting your joke. Thanks for watching though!

[@roddas26]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad just don't often see double flats, let alone triple. Was all I was saying. Seems puncture prone perhaps?

[@robbiddlecombe8392]

I have always cut a pencil the length of the width of duct tape. I then took the heaviest duty duct tape I could find and wrapped about a 6" length around the pencil and put it in my seat bag. Heavy reinforced duct tape makes a great tire boot. Even after a few years in the bag, the glue still works fine at holding it in place. Back in the day, on a very long rides through the country side, people would simply carry a folding tire in their jersey pockets in case of emergency. I don't see that anymore.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Yes when you do long brevets you will still see people take a spare tire 600km and above. FYI - I wonder if your duct tape would stick with all the sealant in the tire.

[@nemeanf27]

4 years on road tubeless, 1 puncutre sealed fine, other used a plug but decided to return to tubes this year TPU not butyl as setting up tubeless was my biggest headache, not inflating then having to remove everyting change the tape and then got it working

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

The set-up is a headache trust me I know. I am in the shop doing it for people who don't want to do it themselves 🤣 Come back and let us know how TPU works out for you. Please consider subscribing

[@kubackjeee]

What a mess. That's why I would never go road tubeless

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

“Road tubeless” the distinction is not lost on me. 😂

[@xawerionify]

It has happened to me once on a race tyre and never on a training tyre.I don't like racing tires too quickly they prune and are replaceable, They are also very expensive.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

There are so many tire choices. We can all fond what works for us. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@kristiantheslayer]

Tubeless what a mess, not for me stuff that.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

You ain't wrong! 😊

[@rosomak8244]

You want to have a lighter wheel? Go TPU tubes. Heck it's even easier to carry spares with them.

[@davidadamus177]

Is one tube enough for a backup when riding tubeless? Two flats is pretty unusual.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I strongly suggest riding with at least 2 tubes. Yes double flats are not the norm but can happen. With the advent of TPU tubes we all should be carrying at least 2 tubes for spares because they take up so little space. It also depends on how far you ride and how far from "civilization" you ride. On most of my rides I don't see a cyclist that often. My rides in the hills are rural and I might be stranded out there. Not to mention it's always good to pay it forward when you see a cyclist in trouble give them a tube and you are still covered for your emergencies. While getting a double flat at one time is rare getting 2 flats at different times during your ride on tubeless that don't seal has happened to me many times though...

[@davidadamus177]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah that's probably a good idea. Most of my riding is pretty rural too, just 20 min or so from home and you're in the middle of nowhere. Good luck finding a bike shop LOL. I'll gradually swap out my spares for tpu (got a few butyl that came with the bike before I converted to tubeless).

[@sccxvelo]

Blown tubes on the climb due to elevation gain with air pressure changes and rougher pavement in the past above the village. Baldy Rd is a fast easy descent down to the IE, but slow dangerous climb to village with the tunnels with cars going to fast on mostly straight road. GMR-GRR better for the climb to village for riding. Did you go to the ski lifts or notch via dirt road?

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I don't go to the lifts that often anymore. It used to carry bragging rights to go up there. But that was when we all rode 53/39 and 11-27 cassettes. Now everyone rides compact cranks and and sub compact super low gearing like SRAM or gravel drivetrains. It just doesn't have as much importance to me anymore.

[@johnmora8145]

🙏⚔️🇺🇸 good job brother save the day pedal on 🚴💪

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank You John! It was fun teaching Charlie some new tricks :-)

[@JFomo]

I don't carry tubes either. Dynaplugs all day. MucOff failed him.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@JFomo thanks for watching

[@jessicacheck179]

Leaving it to fate! Good luck 🍀🌸

[@davidrock3959]

wow what a sticky mess, what a hassle, what a waste of material and time, and he and has to clean his bike completely, beginners are lost wiith tubeless, this ist not good => tubes forever☺

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Ha Ha David! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@davidrock3959]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I have made a subscription already, about 6 month ago after watching your video about tubeless, all in all my subscription is mostly say 99% because of your interesting technical cycling content and to be honest also because of your lovely wife 🤭

[@gc641]

And that’s why everyone should ride Tpu

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

LOL! He would have still flatted though...

[@bb-r5710]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Yes, I know about Murphy’s Law. It will happen eventually. 😊

[@productionoutages]

i love tpu, but they are not reliable at all. espc on racing wheels where the rubber is thin. as i get older, i care more about reliability than weight or performance, i just want to get out there and come back

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@productionoutages those are definitely good goals! I care more about reliability as well. When I’m out on a long one, it’s usually rural and sometimes no cell coverage. I need to get back home on my own power

[@gc641]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah but the spares are so much smaller, I carry 2 in my bag just in case, now that I have said that I’ll do 3 now and a lot less messier than sealant.

[@njm3211]

I went tubeless 4 years ago. Very happy with my experiences. Works best on 30mm tires and wider. Lower pressures are friendlier with bacon strips and dynaplugs.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I'm happy for you! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@dickieblench5001]

Insanity

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Indeed! Thanks for watching

[@dontknow2]

double cut wow that sucks!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

It did suck! But he was well loved by the cycling community that day :-)

[@davidadamus177]

​@@SeeYouUpTheRoadit was like team cycling all came out that day, so cool seeing everyone work together like this.

[@rayF4rio]

Oh man, I feel bad for both of you guys there. But, I know this sounds bad, but... Looking at Charlie I can say there is no way he should be riding tubeless. No experience, tires to narrow, probably to high of pressure and way to much sealant. All tells me he does not know what he's doing. Stick to tubes.

[@jessicacheck179]

I give Charlie so much credit, not only was he actively trying to learn & participate instead of sitting back to let George do all the work, but also his attitude was one of curiosity & resiliency: Indicative of a bright multi-sport athlete. I totally related to this whole episode because the same thing happened to me a few years after I started road cycling😂. We were all newbs once; stuff like this is how we learn unless we had the good fortune to learn it by watching someone else’s disaster… on KZbin, for example 💙

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Well said Jess! I have learned a lot from my mistakes on the road. KZbin didn't exist way back when I started riding. So either an experienced rider took you under their wing and taught you stuff or you learned it the hard way on your own.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I wonder if maybe he doesn't have an LBS or a good friend to advise him of the pitfalls of going tubeless. I think he learned a lot on that day. There was a lot of additional tips I provided him off camera. You only need something like this to happen once for you to lean some valuable lessons. Thanks for watching Ray.

[@rhenceocampo3253]

Too messy yuck.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Indeed! thanks for watching