Poorer areas face greatest childcare shortages ahead of April rollout in England

[@hannahlou3406]

In England childcare workers only get minimum wage. Until that changes there will always be a shortage of workers.

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Nah government will just keep importing cheap labour.

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

@TG-ts3xn and allow idiots to reproduce and here we are... dealing with you

[@sumiyahyasin5887]

The best childcare is provided by the parents (in most cases). In Finland the mother and child are not separated until the child is seven. This is one of the reasons why their children are doing really well, and their education is currently the best globally.

[@user-bi8ko7kc6h]

But here in the UK the husband can’t afford it and many are single mums…

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

What?!? So for 7 years each parent if work free? Nobody works in Finland? 😂 I'm sure you might have it wrong somewhere mate...

[@jeandubois8810]

@@etiennedelaunois1737 Finland is not a successful economy, they are having huge difficulties now,

[@CorinaGilligan]

That should be what is targetted not encouraging someome else to bring up our children . ​@user-bi8ko7kc6h

[@Maria7Maria]

What… you are confused. Kindergarten goes until age 7, not parent care! The fact that they have free kindergarten for so long is what makes the successes.

[@robertwilkes2105]

Since moving to France in 2017, we have paid nothing for our children to go to school 4 days a week from 2 1/2 years old.The day care centre costs 6 to 13 Euros a day, incl lunch. All run through the local council, not private entities. Child can be left at 7.45 am to 6.30 pm, for no extra cost.

[@hiramabiff2017]

Good stay there...

[@moniqueclarke-w2747]

When you compare the UK to other EU countries we have fallen behind when it comes to child care cost..especially for working families

[@hiramabiff2017]

@@moniqueclarke-w2747 I suppose if it suits your narrative to quote figures that can never be proven, that's up to you. All I know is childcare cost me a fortune over 20yrs ago. Stop bleating about it and blaming governments because you think it looks good. Local councils approve/inspect day care centres not central government.

[@ssuwandi3240]

Good relay. We Brits don't care

[@maneshipocrates2264]

French people have paid already via taxes over the years. Technically, it is not actually free.

[@paulgibbons2320]

Pay more get less. Welcome to UK economics .

[@alexandrabellerose3550]

Not only UK, but decline past 4-5 years is unbelievable in this country. Jobs still advertising for 22-25k and think it's great wage for semi skilled stuff.

[@paulgibbons2320]

@@alexandrabellerose3550 that wage should be good. But bills and expenses make it worse than sxxt.

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Inshallah

[@sadiqdelil5189]

It is easier to bring immigrants than to support families. As an immigrant myself I feel sorry for a common British folk. They have been abandoned by their leaders. When other countries invest in apprenticeships for working classes, benefits for growing families to grow healthy communities, UK just brings more skilled and unskilled workers from other countries as it is cheaper and serves corporate interests. It is not the citizens' fault neither fault of immigrants. This situation was created by the corrupted politicians.

[@beaulieuc8910]

Parenthood is a hugely expensive choice. who wants that stress? Glad to be childfree and not moaning about kids and cost of kids

[@purplemonsoon8376]

Same! Childfree and Antinatalist ❤

[@maryamibrahim7537]

Until you get old you would realize how beautiful children are, society can't continue without people giving birth

[@purplemonsoon8376]

@@maryamibrahim7537 neither should it continue!

[@maryamibrahim7537]

@@purplemonsoon8376 why would you hate your society that much, that you don't want it to continue

[@purplemonsoon8376]

@@maryamibrahim7537 it has nothing to do with hate. Reproduction is a hate crime. You are exposing a non-consenting being to all possible harms by placing them into existence. It’s about preventing the suffering of sentient beings. Research Antinatalism.

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

This country is such a wreck😂

[@vegetashairline3060]

Fr. I blame women tbh. They fought hard AF for everything that is happening.

[@yellowmellow7748]

​@@vegetashairline3060how?

[@TheRadFactor]

Maybe fund one parent to stay at home and look after their own kids?

[@piddlydiddly]

You mean like if you have a disabled child/family member and you're "funded" £69 a week to live on? And if you earn, or are on benefits, it's taken back off you.

[@basilfawlty123]

Allow one parent to transfer their tax free allowance to their spouse

[@dyztructive]

why should the taxpayer have to fund a parent to stay at home to do that, it should be the other parent who funds it

[@basilfawlty123]

@@dyztructive its nigh on impossible to do so due to the tax trap. I'm very fortunate to be in the top 10% and to be able to fund my wife being a stay at home mum, but to do that I need to work three jobs over an average of 70 hours. I lose half of the income of my two part time jobs to governmental theft

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

I think mass deportations is the way forward

[@pipins3616]

Never heard of child care 35 years ago to be honest,

[@djamburere]

The world has changed a lot ... in many ways

[@Nellia.20x]

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer in this country.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

Inequality at it's best 👌

[@hannahlou3406]

There will be no middle class left if this goes on for another 10 years.

[@alis5893]

No .. bums keep claiming benefit. 9 million bums on benefits

[@clancywiggam]

@@alis5893 You mean pensioners?

[@alis5893]

@@clancywiggam i sent u a link. 9 million brits between ages of 18 to 65 are refusing to go to work because they are better off with benefits

[@clancywiggam]

Other countries provide childcare to its citizens, why can't the UK? If it can't afford it, how can it repeatedly make tax cuts? This society is broken.

[@WhichDoctor1]

There have only been sham tax cuts. Over all taxes are higher in the uk now than they’ve been since right after WW2. And if you wander why we can’t afford to do anything despite all that tax rises it’s because of 14 years of Tory economic incompetence and rampant governmental corruption

[@franckcolomb5579]

£12 billion a year for muslims in hotels…!

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

​@@franckcolomb5579 lol F O with that obvious bullshit 😂

[@franckcolomb5579]

@@ThePlayerOfGamesnot included: their medical bills, justice bills and the crimes they commit!

[@deussivenatura5805]

@@franckcolomb5579Shift the blame to a tiny portion of the population, that always seems to work!!!! Good thing we have intelligent people such as yourself :)

[@belkentens]

Things should be getting cheaper, not more expensive Where do you reckon all the money goes..

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

I know 360 millions a week for the NHS, all that money used for the EU that is now in our pockets again. Mmmh where is that money going?🤔

[@rb1062]

Goes to the global, corporate billionaire class who are causing all this misery.

[@FrostByteVoyager]

​@@rb1062This. Theres no other answer. Tories give out stupidly expensive contracts because its government money and then receive 5mil in donations after helping them profit 100x over. They arent just thieves, they're cheap af thieves.

[@NavM23]

Tories or whichever horse is running the show

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

All MPs pocket money, then the companies (the MPs mates) dish it out amongst themselves, then the 99% get the scraps. and before ''muh tory'' hate. every MP is one and the same. conservatives aren't conserving, and labour have never worked a day in their life. All whilst sipping champagne and doing coke with one another - so long as you see it as a team X v team Y game - they win.

[@D-A-H8585]

Every time I listen to British news it’s about money and the so-called adversarial relationship between rich and poor. Same old same old. Never mentions a word about the usurious banking system that just wants to maximise the workforce by putting them in usurious debt.

[@stevo728822]

Why should childless people pay more tax to fund childcare for parents?

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Guess who’s having the kids?? It’s not the English…

[@andyf1210]

Because it's proven to be better for the economy to have parents in full time work.

[@leonie7754]

Because we all help each other and we all benefit? Because these children are your future too and parents working contribute to the economy and taxes that benefit you in other ways. You could argue why should your taxes fund the nhs when you aren't sick? We need parents in work, the parents want to be in work, we also need kids so they too contribute to the workforce and economy which benefits us all long term. We should all support this as we all benefit.

[@matthewpayne42]

Children don't come free. Before having children give a thought to how you cloth,feed and buy all the other things children need.

[@sanhema7681]

Yes, do some calculations, then you won't be so ignorant.

[@nemojzezat]

Why would a parent wait until last minute to ask for their child to be enrolled into childcare?? You wouldn't apply for a place in school a week before, and then get shocked that it is full. You have to enquire months before to secure a place.

[@ronlarratt9642]

Well I am glad it’s not working out I am a taxpayer aged 70 just been told my tax is going up £500 we didn’t get help it’s the same as ever the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[@martinconneally8756]

Here's a thought, look after your own children. I know it's an outrageous concept but give it a go, u never know what could happen.

[@MaryJaneJones.]

We have to work.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

@@MaryJaneJones.If cHilCare expenSes are eqUal To youR wAges. YOur cHild is Missing It’s Parents, What’s The PoiNt?

[@MaryJaneJones.]

@@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09 I AGREE.

[@youtubesucks1499]

Don't have kids if you cannot afford them.

[@stevo728822]

Parents should raise their own children.

[@aafiaturkey6748]

Answer- continue to privatise and give the funding their their corrupt friends

[@Mark-k3b9q]

Conservative Goverment since 2010. Go figure.

[@hiramabiff2017]

Yeh, if we had labour we would be bankrupt again.

[@not_ever]

@@hiramabiff2017 We were never bankrupt there was a global recession which thanks to the Tory party we never properly recovered from due to austerity when all our neighbours did. Start paying attention to the country around you.

[@hiramabiff2017]

lol Keep convincing yourself that to feed your own narratives. I hate them all, except not stupid enough to ever want another socialist cancer in power. @@not_ever

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

@hiramabiff2017 you are a bit thick don't you?

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

@@not_ever ''there was a recession and i blame the tories for borrowing far less, cutting spending, to curb the recessession and inflation''....you....you blame the people that got us out of it.....lawl.

[@YvonneFuglsang]

In Sweden there are different types of childcare for children aged 1-5. When you are working, studying, looking for work, or you are at home with the child’s younger siblings, you are entitled to childcare.If you are unemployed or on parental leave, your child is entitled to a place for at least three hours a day or 15 hours a week. Some municipalities offer more than this. In Sweden, there is a maximum charge (‘maxtaxa’), a ceiling to how much parents have to pay for childcare in a daycare institution.Child number one in a family costs 1382 SEK a month or a maximum of 3 % of the guardians' gross income. Child number two costs 922 SEK or a maximum of 2 % of the gross income. Child number three costs 451 SEK or a maximum of 1 % of the gross income. Child number four is free of charge.

[@venlafaxinedomperidone8377]

No wonder salaries are so low. Enjoy the fudging child care

[@nemojzezat]

Here if you are working (no minimal hours) you get up to 85% of your childcare covered, or £950 per month, whichever is less. Same as parental leave. And yes, the child from 2years old now gets 15hrs a week for free and soon it will be children as young as 9 months.This is the biggest change in childcare that has happened in UK and people are still moaning. These changes have saved me and my career.

[@venlafaxinedomperidone8377]

More fuckign taxes. Lord, I need to get out of the UK

[@azfellcrowley5860]

Go to the Middle East, you will lavish...

[@venlafaxinedomperidone8377]

@@azfellcrowley5860 Thats the plan. Can’t stand living in this shaythole anymore. This state is meant for the these baby popping scrounger and the state. I would love to see where they get their taxes once the men are all gone.

[@jeandubois8810]

@@azfellcrowley5860 Yeah i lived in the UAE, you got a point. BUT there is a middle point, some stuff are collective and should be financed by tax (Justice, police, defense, health (With some limits), education (Under the age of 16), some infrastructures (Road, bridges, rail networks, electricity networks, nuclear power plants) but for the rest... I am not sure if having a child is a collective thing.

[@TC8787-yq7og]

Left years ago and don’t regret it in the slightest. You realise the UK is an absolute joke once you live in other countries for a few years

[@tonysheerness2427]

Tell me some thing new, child care has always been expensive and anything that has an expense the poor are at a disadvantage.

[@kbdkbd99]

parents want government to pay for their childcare costs can be translated to parents want other people to pay for their childcare costs.

[@jamessmith84240]

Yep. Can they pay for my house and car while they are at it?

[@lauraalyce6689]

Actually people are having less kids, uk birthrate is currently 1.49 (ONS for 2022) versus a replacement (I.e.maintaining current population birthrate) of 2.1 . So people are following the logic of only having the kids they can afford. It's just that guess what, no one can afford them anymore. And you can blame the parents all you like but if it's affecting the entire national birth rate I doubt its just a problem with a few lazy couples...

[@kbdkbd99]

@@lauraalyce6689 you are making a lot of assumptions about both childcare and my view about it. I have merely spoken a fundamental truth. Have you considered why childcare is so expensive ? Cheaper and affordable childcare is the solution.

[@beaulieuc8910]

exactly, they don't want to pay for their own kids

[@beaulieuc8910]

@@lauraalyce6689 not every even wants them, even if they could afford them

[@Maha_s1999]

But wait, Brexit was going to fix it, wasn't it? No mercy from me, serves you right. Shame about the poor children, and the good people of the North. Always a postcode lottery.

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

But wait, '98 labour opening the floodgates to cheap labour, and a surge of demand in housing due to a superficially increase of our population by 25% in as many years. Was meant to be the answer, wasn't it? no mercy from me, serves you right. Can't simp for mass immigration then complain about quality of life plummeting. Economics 101 - it's one or the other.

[@1ForTheShieldz]

Councils should run childcare, not give money to private nurseries, that's what used to happen when I was little.

[@ianbarnes8593]

Childcare cost me more than my mortgage back in 1996. It’s not a new thing.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

Cmon at least share a full picture! What was the ratio of childcare and mortgage payment comparing to your salary? Did both of you had to work to manage to pay for childcare?

[@ianbarnes8593]

@@azfellcrowley5860 I can’t remember what my earnings were back then but I had a £42k mortgage at the time. Repayments were £390 a month on that amount. Then my wife died and my children were 7 and 10 years old. I dropped them off at the childminder preschool and collected them around 5pm, so around 3 hours per child each day. That cost me £410. I was hourly paid back then and reliant on overtime to boost my income. That obviously wasn’t an option anymore as I needed to get back to collect the children. Tough times.

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

In 1905 I had the same.😂 I'm sure the world and the economy were exactly the same in 1996🙄

[@snsn7251]

Doesnt mean it's ok. Comments like this are just silly

[@ianbarnes8593]

@@snsn7251 It isn’t okay, you’re quite right. My comment was to point out that, sadly, high childcare costs are nothing new.

[@TheKseniagd]

Of course it has always been like a teaching assistant salary. Teaching assistant salary=CHILDCARE. THAT'S WHY SO many teaching assistants stop working when they have children ans only come back when their kids go to full time school.

[@chamelsesmith]

This is the reason why we are planning to leave this country, getting worst and worst specially for the childcare 😞

[@techstyle123]

Meanwhile the migrants bill keeps going up

[@soniahesketh3565]

and they kee over populating amazing Yet our poor people have to be careful We're overpopulated

[@franckcolomb5579]

Just like in Victorian times, the poorest keep having babies. I dont get it

[@Jon-xw9om]

JRM has bred 6 times to provide the poor with masters to obey.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

Because we are back to Victorian times with scurvy, rickets, working multiple jobs to pay for basics, indebted nation to afford food and living in cold houses and flats because heating is too expensive.

[@joshuajames1720]

I know right! no one is wiling to talk about this!

[@persephone3309]

So people shouldn't have kids because they're poor?

[@joshuajames1720]

@@persephone3309 exactly correct!!!

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

I genuinely don't understand. If childcare costs so much...why not have a parent stay at home to look after them? When we grew up our parents tightened their belts and did without a lot of things during those childrearing years and we all had a mother. What am I missing? I hear them saying that they need two incomes, but then complaining about how childcare costs more than they earn so that makes no sense. It also seems to be standard to eat takeaway food and have lots of gadgets to entertain the children because the parents have been at work all day.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

And PaRents Are Too tired To see To the ChildRens Needs. get Off The conveyOr Belt ParentS, Your chiLdren Need You For emoTional StabiliTy. No One Else Can ProVide This.😊

[@jinlee2617]

Just remain single and happy like South Korea. Simple!

[@sadiqdelil5189]

Except they are not happy and need to start bringing immigrants in. Not very different to UK😅.

[@r.b6170]

People don't have , ( and indeed haven't had all that many for the last couple of generations ) many children to begin with; and yet, they cannot manage. ...... Where is society heading. ... ???

[@jerryorange6983]

And he wants us to vote for him again to deliver that.

[@Shamele55]

Not a fan of tories, but I think they did a great job on this one - if I were them I would be louder about it

[@WhichDoctor1]

It was a long standing labour policy before the Tories stole it. And they screwed up trying to actually do it. No wander they don’t want to talk about it

[@Shamele55]

@@WhichDoctor1 still not a reason not to give them SOME credit for it - labour will be able to fix it if they wish

[@azfellcrowley5860]

​ @Shamele55 yes and no. Tories need to drive the amount of people without work down for the tax purposes. So their 'benevolence' is a tactic to have more tax payers. Which I am not saying it's bad, it's definitely good for the country and for the families too. Just no hard believe that Tories do anything from a goodness of their heart and because they would truly care about their citizens and future generations...

[@Shamele55]

@@azfellcrowley5860 agree, everything is calculated. But same with labour and everyone else. All politicians are the same, at least in my eyes - selfish. But I get the point - you have to choose between two evils

[@carrauntoohil86]

The policy has been implemented really poorly. One parent earning over 100k a year is entitled to no help whatsoever, even if they're single and have no other wage. Two parents both earning 99k a year would be entitled to 30 hours of free childcare which seems an utterly ridiculous scheme. It should be means tested.

[@colourfulcrafts5492]

Don't have so many kids then. Simple. Can't afford em? Don't have em.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

Now That WoulD Be cAlled Taking ResponsibiliTy for Your Family. 😢

[@patriciadavison1486]

Stop having loads of kids then.

[@D-A-H8585]

Stop looking at kids as a burden. What you are saying is anti family. The usurious bankers want you on one side of the argument saying stop having loads of kids all while the usurious bankers invite millions of people to come from abroad to work here. The usurious bankers obviously see the utility of humans but you don’t.

[@lamandhbbf3639]

Actually your very wrong there, the U.K fertility rate is 1.5. that’s 1.5 births per women significantly below the replacement rate, which is a serious issue. The government should be trying to improve living conditions to encourage more births and avoid the reliance on migration and more existentially so they can have people to fund the government themselves.

[@alexandrabellerose3550]

@@lamandhbbf3639 they are too greedy until it starts affecting their own paychecks - not soon, with access to public taxes and treasury can't see nothing changing.

[@purplemonsoon8376]

Or any at all

[@purplemonsoon8376]

@@lamandhbbf3639actually it’s you who’s wrong! Research Antinatalism.

[@maykolee]

Solutions for single mums 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@deviouspirate1374]

Amy, try to sleep with your legs closed. Then, childcare costs will no longer be a burden on you.

[@soniahesketh3565]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@williamsafari6437]

they economic migrants will be well looked after

[@soniahesketh3565]

And if they have 7 kids that they always, do 2 children per family would help regardless of religion and custom

[@DavidGetling]

There are more than enough people in this country, and indeed the world. If you can't afford to bring up children then don't have any! It's not your right for others to pay for your indulgences.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

What's the advice for parents who can afford a child, and still pay £1500 per month for a full time childcare? As I definitely am not a fan of paying someone's 80% - 95% monthly wage for a childcare only...

[@jeremiahpoole6526]

But people aren’t having enough children whilst the population ages and becomes pensioners. You’re getting confused between population total and population pyramid which is about the age structure of a population. We can’t support an increasing number of old people with our current birth rate without more and more immigration.

[@nemojzezat]

Indulgence? I would say the same comment for anyone who has an unhealthy lifestyle whatsoever, or is obese or smokes etc. My taxes won't pay for your recovery. Does this sound fair? Or for your education, or for your environment, of for elderly care... I pay more taxes in a month than what my childcare costs.

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

@@jeremiahpoole6526 We literally can. ''we need more and more immigration'' - ah yes, we need ''more and more'' demand for housing so housing costs keep rising? such a genius you are...

[@jeremiahpoole6526]

@@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo You’ve just proved my point entirely. Thanks for the compliment also 😂

[@dongmingzhu666]

The problem with Merseyside, is there are too many benefit scrounge

[@StimParavane]

It's more important that upper-middle-class women can have it all than ordinary people can have a decent standard of living.

[@neil5877]

That's what's so ridiculous about the people who have a pop at people not working enough to make ends meet and pay the bills two people can be working and one wage goes on childcare. The mainstream media always ignore this fact, and they wonder why the birth rate is dropping not that long ago. One person working got paid enough to pay the mortgage and bills and put food on the table.

[@anyaharris5617]

Well, we are back to 1930s when children were playing in the streets under the minimum supervision. And may I ask what's wrong with that?

[@sanhema7681]

Nothing is wrong with that. When I was a kid in the 90's, we were all day long playing with other kids on the streets or in the garden. We went home for lunch and dinner. No-one was looking after us like a hawk but we knew that if something was not okay, we could go to the e.g. grandma, neighbours, etc. Children nowadays are too overprotected.

[@anyaharris5617]

@@sanhema7681 spot on!

[@mhoward181]

People who have children should be paying for them. Not complaining that they didn’t work out the cost before having a baby.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

And this justifies cost of full time childcare of £1500 per month for one child?

[@jeremiahpoole6526]

More immigration it is then as the birth rate keeps on falling through the floor. But you’ll moan about that also.

[@azfellcrowley5860]

​@andromeda_25 nah, you're wrong, and you know it :) If you would have to pay this to NHS directly, you would sing a different song :)

[@Gashinshoutan2009]

Less children would mean, less future home grown labour force, less native population, more foreign labour and people fill in the labour shortage. This is the reason why in Asian countries such as South Korea and Japan, the population is shrinking with more burden on the working population to support the growing elderly population. The government would need to support ordinary families to encourage having children not detering them.

[@dyztructive]

@@Gashinshoutan2009 No we just need to get robots to help look after the elderly population. Then the shrinking population is not a problem, eventually it can shrink down to a reasonable level.

[@hiramabiff2017]

Childcare places are the responsibility of local authorities not the government, who just issue the guidelines. It's local councils who implement the approval of licences and with so many hoops to jump through and regulations to follow with massive premiums on Insurance costs it really isn't a cost effective business. Remember that next time you have found someone cheap. They are cheap for a reason.

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

😂

[@Misagonna88]

Don’t have children if you can’t look after them, or afford to send them to childcare

[@kellykreqeli8924]

My wages mostly went out on childcare I had to do it and I was working from 7am in the morning and my shift could go up until 10:30 at night with a 5 month old baby and that was almost 20 years ago it was just as hard then we choose to have one child as I feel as a parent it’s important to be able to work to support you’re child and care for you’re child as children get very expensive especially the older they get many people don’t seem to realise this

[@maigepresents5840]

Have you tried working just a bit harder? Surely if immigrants arriving with just the clothes on their backs can survive, you can do better...

[@Cappellano]

For new parents who are concerned about the cost of a mortgage, it may be better to rent for longer and save, rather than buying a house in a poorly resourced area. The freedom to move makes a huge difference as your children grow, especially when looking for a good school. I appreciate this is not for everyone, but some parents should know that being trapped with a mortgage in an area you don’t like is not the only option.

[@beaulieuc8910]

Parents who own dogs seem to be using their alsations and pitbulls to co parent. parents are insane

[@beefy0978]

Any council spending millions on LTNs and 20 zones before solving issues like this should be disbanded immediately.

[@muhammadsobur3957]

Let the goverment keep funding israel and ukraine and keep defunding uk.

[@SkageXL5]

British people for the last 2 decades "HA HA HA VOTE CONSERVATIVE!" British people now "Oh no!" British people come the election "HA HA HA VOTE CONSERVATIVE OR THE FORRENNERS WIN"

[@warkatwargaming2358]

So get this. My wife and myself both work and we qualify for 15 hours a week. However our nursery has decided to charge ourselves more (and the other parents who qualify) us more then people who dont qualify. Assumed this would be illegal but apparently not

[@BainesyT]

Childcare is not a human right

[@azfellcrowley5860]

What is the difference between childcare before schoold and mandatory education? Children appear magically at the age of 4 or 5 when they enter into mandatory education?

[@jamessmith84240]

The cost of having kids in the modern world. Don't expect the system to pay for your life choices. It's like deciding to buy a massive house or car you can't afford and expecting other people to pay for it for you.

[@sanhema7681]

Parents should team up with their closest neighbours who are also parents, and they should organize childcare for eachother. Or they should ask their own family members to help them with their kids. C'mon, can't expect everything from the government. When I was a kid, during school holidays, my grandparents looked after us, or my friend's parents vica versa. No-one paid for nannies, babysitters, any sorts of childcare services.

[@mytradingjournal123]

We have arranged our now one year old for nursery in July last year when he was 6 months, even before the announcement of 15 hours funded childcare. Glad we have made this decision even though we still need to pay until September this year to get the funded hours as I understand the nursery is full now.

[@tangoalpha1905]

*Fun fact:* Only Psychopaths advocate for systems that seperate parents from their children.

[@FrederikEngelmand]

Poorer WHITE areas

[@jeandubois8810]

Don't have a child if you can't afford it ! I am not paying for your lack of planning and poor decision.

[@felixpope6073]

Then stop having children

[@MohammedSFicel-ho3bx]

A mother is a teacher if you prepare her You have prepared a people of good ethnicity The mother is tame if ... (Hafeth Ibrahim poems). At the arrive of labours 97 the single mothers has taken from them a support to look after their children from school. Children under 18 year old Previews Prime Minister Sir John Miger and before = That's real British School and Universities.... 💯🙋

[@dylanjfleming7723]

Just don’t have kids …

[@sunlightofthelord1709]

Don´t have kids if you want to keep working. and can´t afford them otherwise.

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Tell that to Muslims 😂

[@missruzl14]

Plus they get all the council flats in London

[@harpsailorharp6716gg]

Think before having children then ??

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

That's what we have said to your parents but here we are. Now you can't stop talking without thinking.

[@notabene2403]

​@@etiennedelaunois1737stupid, unqualified answer

[@azfellcrowley5860]

Really? So you are happy that full time childcare cost should be charged in a range of £1500 per month for a family of 2 working parents? Because it's not only (favourite target of right wing) single parents who are struggling with childcare, it's also 'traditional' families with 2 working parents, who are struggling to pay for childcare of 1 child...

[@jamessmith84240]

@@azfellcrowley5860Would you be happy if you were paid £1500 a month to devote full time to caring for someone elses children? Or would that not be a "livable wage" for you? I'm betting you would want even more!

[@user-bi8ko7kc6h]

@@azfellcrowley5860my parents didn’t claim a single penny of childcare fund. Both worked full time. What people need are grandparents and friendly neighbours. We used to have the entire neighbourhood taking care of each other’s kids back in the time and costs nothing.

[@rescyn1190]

Single mums married to the State...

[@piddlydiddly]

tell men to wrap it up then.

[@goatsummoner]

@piddlydiddly exactly, it's not just the "womens" fault. Men who sleep with any women have just as much to answer for. There's too much pressure put on women to provide the contraception (most of which have side effects) when, /gasp/, condoms exist. "But they feel weird..." and "I don't like/can't be bothered with condoms." If a guy is going to do anything with a woman, they should be prepared to take responsibility - as should the woman.

[@hannahlou3406]

Make failure to pay child support a criminal offence like in the US if you're so bothered.

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

it ain't the natives of these isles that breed like jack rabbits.

[@purplemonsoon8376]

Support vasectomies then

[@ghostcuffs5816]

Sounds like it's the parent's problem. I have decided not to have children for a few reasons, one of them because they are expensive.

[@Scouser89Liverpool22]

I totally get what your saying, but if people dont have children who is the next generation of tax payers who will pay your state pension, each generation has to create the next generation

[@Red-ki4tk]

Cast your mind back to Blair's years. Forget any political leanings we may all have; the country had amazing public services. This is because there were lots of young people and children. Now there aren't as many. Look at public services now (no GP apps, council services or anything really alongside rising costs). What do you think society will look like in ten years' time

[@BridgeStamford]

@@Scouser89Liverpool22we should have kids to fund our pensions 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Scouser89Liverpool22]

@@BridgeStamford techinally they are our funders

[@azfellcrowley5860]

​@BridgeStamford your preference of pillaging foreign countries and slavery is out of date so yeah, you have to rely on younger generations to generate the tax that will fund future state... what's so incomprehensible about it?

[@kevincowan2639]

But ask yourselfs what would you rather have a child or a potentially paid off mortgage. Lol

[@user-bi8ko7kc6h]

I agree our childcare is super expensive and hard to find. However, it’s nothing new. It has been like this for decades. If you live in a poorer area, you don’t have the money and yourself nor relatives can’t help. Why have kids? Think before have kids.

[@thesuperflipped3838]

Don't have children 😂

[@Knighted357]

Children don’t cost more than a mortgage. That’s rubbish.

[@pocalypto]

🪄 brain drain

[@BridgeStamford]

I can choose A or B. If I know A is going to be really tough and still choose A then I have no grounds to complain. People to have a choice and please stop choosing what everyone else does. Find your B

[@Bungle-UK]

So don’t have them if you can’t afford them - it’s not my job as a taxpayer to pay for your babysitter.

[@laurencooper3169]

Then who’s gonna wipe your backside when you end up in that nursing home??

[@piddlydiddly]

if poorer people don't have kids, who do you think will be looking after you when you're in a home? Because it certainly wont be the rich people's kids doing care work.

[@Red-ki4tk]

We need children in society or we're going to have really big problems up ahead. kinda already there.

[@alinamolla9695]

What a stupid comment

[@BridgeStamford]

@@piddlydiddlyyou seriously have a mindset to have kids to look after you later. New level of selfish

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Mass immigration problems 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

ThAts unTrue. Women Were sold tHe lie after The WaR. “You Can Be whoeVer you Want To be” And They FeLL for The bait. AnD The ChildRen are Now SuffEring becAuse of AbsEnt Parents. Emotional Trauma and MenTal HealTh IssueS. Sad.

[@astroboirap]

top tip: dont be a single mum and/or stay away from mandingo's

[@azfellcrowley5860]

What about those who are married couple and pay £1500 per month for childcare? What's the advice for them apart from the right wingers cry of 'don't have kids if you can't afford them' ... ?

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

@azfellcrowley5860 the same failures people who will cry because we don't have kids anymore and their retirement is not being paid. Thick conservatives...

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

Top tip: giving top tip from your local pub where you have been conceived, is not the best idea.

[@ordinarybread]

I am married and even on duel income a full time childcare placement is £1400 a month...

[@samsonsoturian6013]

First world problems

[@robertwilkes2105]

We don't hv this problem in France.

[@JwayT]

Thank the feminists and send them the bill.

[@piddlydiddly]

do feminists magic up babies on their own?

[@purplemonsoon8376]

How do you mean? Feminists aren’t having kids! We’re following 4b 😂

[@Jamie-ro6sx]

V0te R£f0rm U& 💙

[@kumstuke]

And???