Pop Has a Fake "Woke” Problem

[@beyondartv]

The good, the bad, & the woke. Is "fake wokeness" becoming a bandwagon problem? Well, it's certainly been getting under my skin with all the virtue signaling... Follow the Spotify playlist here: spoti.fi/3aqJv9f

[@Ijnebsb]

Remember that one time Halsey made a rant over hotel shampoo😂

[@iliketrains3495]

I thought of that the second he said her name🤣

[@Draber2b]

It was glorious 👌

[@achair650]

She is always going to be "that chick that be all angry over shampoo girl" isn't she😄

[@whatthehellisthis]

thankfully, she hasn’t reached that level of obnoxiousness in recent times

[@duckyyyaj247]

Wait it’s already been 2 years since that? 😳

[@cassielipton7209]

On the Dua Lipa track: I also found it annoying as hell but I interpreted what she was trying to say differently. I didn’t see it as her saying women are superior as that women are forced to grow up so much faster because of the kind of issues that you mentioned such as covering up, etc. people are quick to brush a side an action with the phrase “boys will be boys,” but even from childhood, girls never get that luxury. So yeah, the song gets on my nerves but I think that’s what she was going for

[@beyondartv]

I think her intentions were totally fine, BUT the fact that everyone is having a different interpretation and takeaway is the problem for me. It could be taken a hundred different ways 😅 thanks for watching Cassie!

[@cassielipton7209]

Beyond ARTV understandable. I definitely understand how someone could get your interpretation as well.

[@twintimeproductions8700]

@@beyondartv I personally think that the song would be fine if it actually told us why girls were better instead of saying why boys were worse. Then, it makes her seem like she's also making a generalization about all men, saying that all boys will be boys.

[@achair650]

@@beyondartv the fact that she didn't make her point clear enough is troubling, if you care about a point enough, you make it clear to your audience. Dua did not take that into consideration....

[@Starksdynamo]

@@beyondartv and that's her fault how?

[@chloex4606]

As a woman, I agree with the rest of the video mostly, but the lyric “boys will be boys but girls will be women” or whatever isn’t a great example of “women being above men.” I understand if you see it that way, but I think she was taking more of a shot towards the “boys will be boys” attitude that easily disregards the wrongdoings men do to women. I don’t think it’s saying we are above, it’s saying fuck that state of mind that “boys will be boys,” to excuse the dumb shit that bad men do. I’m not sure if this makes sense, but I agree with the rest of the video! :) Edit: I’m so glad some of y’all agree! :)

[@claireelyse5992]

I agree with your interpretation. I like the message, the execution not so much.

[@AngelBlsro]

It makes perfect sense. Feminism isn't about women being above, just equal to all genders. And it's a great song too. Sadly, most cis straight guys like Jon won't understand and that's ok, they just need more knowledge about the topic.

[@Merdicano]

I'm a bit iffy about whether to like it or not, but the sound and instrumental is pretty good

[@dg0210]

Angel Belisario yes Feminism is about women being equal to men but nowadays it’s more about putting men down and saying are superior.

[@AGrrrlsTwoSoundCents]

Exactly. I literally just commented this. It's the fact that we have no choice but mature faster than men. "Boys will be boys" and "act more like a lady" are tangential to each other

[@vipinsl]

I despise fake " woke " stuff . It's the biggest turn off in music for me .

[@theshamanofenterprise7408]

This is why I quit social media

[@Merdicano]

Same with Twitter

[@RyanStorey1231]

This is why I don't think that pop music is the best genre for deep political or protest songs. Pop music by definition is about oversimplifying an idea to fit with a catchy melody and four chords, verse-chorus structure, and a 3.5 minute runtime. This works for songs about love, heartbreak, and fun because those are abstract emotions that can be tackled from many angles. But politics is so complex and requires a bit more lyrical nuance that the nature of pop music isn't equipped to handle.

[@FerBaide]

Jamie Ryan Storey but then again, Gaga did it very well with Born This Way. And not only the song but with the rest of the political songs on the album like Americano and Scheisse.

[@iangarcia1585]

I agree this comment👍

[@tvbnine793]

that's why I listen to most alternative, rock, and metal

[@virz4432]

@@FerBaide I disagree.

[@GeteMachine]

@@FerBaide The problem is that a lot of these pop artists don't put any actual research to support the substance of what they are protesting, but instead just use slogans and make a simple song off of them, and they come off as just shallow, too vague for a message, or if you're Katy Perry, fake and status quo affirming while disguised as woke, and superficial.

[@Watzie23]

With dua lipas track I didn’t see it as her trying to convey women as superior to men with the line “boys will be boys. But girls will be women.” Instead for me I saw it as how women are expected to be more mature than men and how childish shitty behaviors that some men can have gets shrugged off. However this is just how I saw the song though.

[@Merdicano]

Same thoughts actually, as a matter of fact, I somewhere in the middle where I do like the song, but I understand why some people don't

[@PaolaTheTimeLord]

everyone saw that in the song. even she said this when you google the song on genius. this guy clearly didn’t get the memo.

[@Merdicano]

@@PaolaTheTimeLord Some didn't really get the memo

[@PaolaTheTimeLord]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo for real 🤦‍♀️

[@Merdicano]

@@PaolaTheTimeLord Although, I admit that I didn't fully understood it the first time I listened to it

[@xAnarchRadiostar]

During The Great Depression, Woody Guthrie became one of the first political music pioneers. Made protests songs about how the Government wasnt helping it's people. He broke that boundary for future music. Lot of punk rock and hard rock talked and rebels to politics. It's been around for a long time. Not all music has political views, but that's how we got here. POLITICS. It also gives us perspectives that we may agree with or something new that we're open to. *What the fuck is Woke?* If you want your fans to have a "rebel" agenda, just give them fucking truth and what change you want. Not pity woke shit.

[@claudiax233]

Rage Against The Machine is one of the few musical acts that incorporate politics in their music without being fake woke.

[@NayrAnur]

It certainly helps that their music is enjoyable to listen to, as well.

[@adrianlee3497]

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[@kkrsnn5632]

Yeah, saw the reactions to Tom Morello's signature guitar?

[@nathaniel8186]

Claudia Rise Against as well, at least in Appeal to Reason haven’t really got into the rest of their stuff yet

[@jeremywaygay]

Ive heard so much about Rage and what they stand for, I really want to get into them.

[@MichaelRockfez]

I think Halsey just pretends in general. She doesn’t really play the guitar when she’s on stage with one. When someone shouted, “G-Eazy” at a concert, she lashed out like he threatened to kill someone, even though her celebrity relationships were never that serious. Plus, the shampoo thing...

[@kenziealtarrowhead]

Wait my bad I read the comment wrong lol. I thought you were saying SHE threatened to kill him lol.

[@alessioimoh9228]

about “boy will be boys” i never got the vibe that it was demeaning to men as it was more addressed towards people who justify toxic behaviour with that phrase. Whereas SOME men can get away with stuff (and act like kids), girls, not only are expected to be always more mature but also have to grow with the consequences of the “boys’ “ actions (eg.fear of walking alone at night). that’s how i interpret it.

[@liyahs1energy]

Alessio Imoh very true

[@alessioimoh9228]

Anuja LOL exactly

[@Merdicano]

That's very much true, guess I'll be on the camp of those who like it but understand why some people don't

[@alessioimoh9228]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo I mean it’s also one of my favourites melodically

[@Merdicano]

@@alessioimoh9228 I love the melody actually, and Dua's vocals are wonderful in it, the only thing I didn't like was the orchestral chorus, I felt that it didn't fit well with the album. Now that I have taken my stand with the song, I feel like there should be an important analysis to it, because this is not Dua going woke on people, this is about talking of a reality that does happen, and as a man myself, I feel ashamed that there's men who can get away with their behavior, really makes me angry and sick

[@AFilthyCaitlynMain]

The Boys Will Be Boys one is a very interesting track in this lineup. I don't think her intentions were bad or that she was trying to follow trends, but I think it was a slight writing error that kept it jusssttttt a bit too vague. If she would have tried to be a bit more specific I feel like the message would've had way more impact.

[@Merdicano]

I agree completely with your comment, and I like the song

[@Acadiaspartan]

This could possibly be a good SOS episode. 7 songs or albums that nailed getting their political/social message across.

[@kazooplayer3]

1. American idiot 2. American idiot 3. American idiot 4. American idiot 5. American idiot 6. American idiot 7. American idiot

[@TrinityRiverNetwork]

One by Metallica

[@christmemea]

a “woke” song i really like is Savages by Marina and the Diamonds

[@kazooplayer3]

I really like it but (Unpopular opinion) her vocals were better in other songs

[@ulayla1605]

christmemea omg taste

[@harrypotteravenclaw]

What makes that song woke

[@carissanami5824]

I love "to be human" from her newest album. it has a very simple message, but very positive and beautiful

[@TonyGue]

That one isn't woke. It's just facts haha

[@buzzardsinuses4780]

Haven’t seen the video yet, but I already agree with this statement.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Artists need to keep their political correctness to themselves if they can’t execute it properly in their songs.

[@Merdicano]

I'm actually on the camp that likes Dua's song, but I agree

[@jayrodd2015]

Agree with some examples here. I'm just tired of people piling on T-Swift. Do you realize that up until her last album cycle she was criticized for not using her platform to speak to important women's, political, and LQBTQ issues? Then when she does it's "stick to music" essentially. Although the causes are hugely important, Need to Calm Down and The Man were not my fav tracks on the album. However, many people in the world, especially Americans, need to come around on these issues. If it's damned if she does damned if she doesn't, I'd rather have her be on the "does" side.

[@hermanngoring3897]

So fucking true and i’m fucking getting tired of it.

[@surferboy2005]

This is why I’m only on social media for my friends

[@cosmicroyale]

When I saw the title the only person that popped in mind was Halsey 😂

[@rchrch4922]

Well she's the embodiment of fake woke lol

[@anthonysmurthwaite6258]

Very rarely do they actually say something new or have a new take, similar to in comedy, I can't stand trump but I think I've heard every possible trump joke there could be, and the first few made me laugh but now they're just knock knock jokes for adults

[@wisecritic2000]

DRUMF

[@Confractus_]

Honestly, System of a Down is one of my favorite political bands.

[@jeremywaygay]

I haven't even heard that many songs but I respect them so much

[@EmilyB1201]

My fav band of all time🤟🏻🤟🏻

[@yogurt2924]

Future nostalgia was everything and I feel like there isn't anyone who disagrees I'm only saying this because I saw dua in the thumbnail lol Personally I like boys will be boys but it didn't fit the album sonically at all Imo it would have been a better as a deluxe track...

[@Merdicano]

I love the album as a whole, no objections with it whatsoever

[@dg0210]

Yeah good in bed and boys will be boys didn’t feel like the fitted into the album.

[@Merdicano]

@@dg0210 I can understand where you are coming from, although I have such a guilty pleasure love for Good In Bed, hahaha, it's like I don't know why, maybe it's because how wonderful Dua's vocals sound

[@iangarcia1585]

@@dg0210 true does are the only two tracks I didn't like but overall future nostalgia is a great album

[@MonikaNikole]

I don’t think Dua’s song was about women being superior... in my mind, she was speaking on the fact (?) that girls are expected to grow up faster, and more is expected of them.

[@beyondartv]

Listen to what I actually said about the song. I agree about the issues she sings about in the verses, and don’t disagree. I disagree with how ridiculous the chorus is, and how it will cause tons of different interpretations. Huge fan of Dua for the record, but I don’t like how she handles this song.

[@lasagna312]

@@beyondartv You don't like it because.... some people might interpret it incorrectly? I don't really see how that's Dua's fault. I thought her message was perfectly clear. And if people are seriously having issues interpreting it, they can just check out the song on Genius. It's really not that hard.

[@sweetbunnybun]

@@lasagna312 she's still fake woke anyway. pop starts are too shallow to talk about these things. she should have explained herself better anyway

[@Merdicano]

@@beyondartv Good point, really does the chorus feel out of hand with the style and tone of the album, maybe if it wasn't such an "orchestral type of sound" and of course, had the idea better executed, it could have been a good closure

[@Merdicano]

@@sweetbunnybun Like if you know her to make up that assumption

[@bgl1335]

Remember witness era Katy Perry? No? I’m jealous

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Helpthony Metano It was pretty forgettable, just like all the other crap albums that came out in that dire year.

[@Merdicano]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 Not too many for me

[@Readyforit7723]

I loved witness…

[@zaccds]

At least we'll get a good episode of Trainwreckords out of Witness.

[@santiagobauza4257]

Since Todd loved the hell out of Never Really Over and liked Chained to the Rhythm as well I'm not that sure about that.

[@zaccds]

@@santiagobauza4257 He thought parts of Paula and 0304 were good and still covered those. Also he said early on he does videos based on how much material it gives him not his opinion (excluding best/worst videos)

[@aviimusic7140]

It's out now .

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

As a left leaning centrist, I have a problem with music that leans too far left or too far right. I have no problem with politics in music if it's done correctly. Hell, I love Punk music. But when it literally just feels like politics being shoved down my throat just to be music that "says something" or "stands for something", it's not being done right. Politics in music is supposed to make you stop and think about what the artist is trying to say, its supposed to make you question things. Its not supposed to make you feel like artists are shouting at you and cramming simplistic and often one-sided ideas into your head without any thought. It seems like nowadays many artists trying to be "woke" are just tossing slogans around instead of trying to make thought provoking points about the world and politics.

[@rensje]

Your Average Music Person So you have no problem with politics in punk. Are you suggesting that bands like the Sex Pistols were very subtle and not at all one-sided in their politics? Here are some very nuanced lyrics by those people who definitely weren’t being blunt about their politics: “God save the queen The fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb God save the queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming” This is why I hate centrists

[@gonzalozamora5715]

The fact is that "woke" or political music in Europe and the US is just as stuck as their social agendas, like there's literally no politics to talk about in the US since the 90's, all presidents and congress have been shit and no one has been doing something about it smh

[@Ty-mu7gl]

I agree with everything you said. HOWEVER, I think we should take a step back and take into consideration the fake woke artists' circumstances. They're all huge artists with such a large audience, and of course they're signed to major labels with teams of suited people who know what's gonna be likeable and what isn't. And these people know Twitter "stans" need something to clap for. Bold, seemingly genuine statements from the celebs they're obsessed with. What I'm trying to say is, should we really judge the fake woke artists as if they had a choice?

[@beyondartv]

Props for making me think about it from another perspective. Doesn’t necessarily change my opinion much at all, but I appreciate the well worded insight.

[@kenziealtarrowhead]

"Katy Perry" and "Armadillo" only make sense together if your watch this video.

[@CP-pz9vw]

Agree wholeheartedly, something that makes you think deeply about a subject like T.O.P.'s Neon Gravestones comes to mind.

[@PS1CloudStrife]

To me, the lyrics “girls will be women” is not saying that women are more mature than men, it’s saying that young girls will have to grow up faster in order to protect themselves. I agree that pop stars use their platform to exploit social causes, but the lyrics in Dua Lipa’s song feel far more connected with the actual fears girls have to learn from a young age and deal with throughout their adolescent years into adulthood.

[@janeyjpg911]

Humans will be humans sometimes mature sometime rude and most the time annoying

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

Oddly enough, the 4 songs you described as "fake woke" (Chained to the Rhythm, You Need to Calm Down, The Man & Nightmare) are songs that I actually like, due to them being (in my opinion) enjoyable songs. I could give a rat's ass about "woke culture" or "virtue signaling" because, it's not my lane to drive on and I choose to ignore that stuff. But that's just me.

[@Merdicano]

You're not the only one, I ignore all that crap as well, for me it's a case of give me something fun and enjoyable and we're good, I don't care about whatever message you want to yell at the people, as long as it's fun and entertaining, so be it

[@twentyonetortas5921]

@@jackmorrow3518 same. I get what the guy's saying and all but she can't be that fake woke considering bits and pieces of her past + how she's been involved in activism long before her music took off

[@Satan97458]

I think The Man song by Taylor Swift is mostly about calling out double standards between men and women but the video is poorly written like men can get away with anything like peeing in a wall in public I'm like men would get sued for being in public. I think the problem with mostly all pop feminists is that they're caught on the slave mentality. I think a good feminist song would be good if it actually was well done. I'm independent on politics I don't mind political references in songs as longest it's well done and the video to.

[@ethanbrown6188]

The only time a pop act pulled the feminist agenda successfully imo is Little Mix. Since the beginning of their Career they were all about empowerment. In their album LM5 they had a few female empowerment songs, and they were all done very well in my opinion. Woman's World did what The Man thought it did.

[@plamenasiniye]

My problem with Boys Will Be Boys is that it doesn't fit in with the rest of the album. Dua could've released it as a separate single if it was so important to her as a song.

[@MerrowMeghan]

I would say that MJ was pretty woke and pop

[@Merdicano]

He was, and in a understanding way

[@lisalegato0109]

You know what I hate? These celebrities being so "woke" and PC, caring about social justice, but they really don't. They're all millionaires.

[@ethanbrown6188]

The only pop act that can pull of the feminist agenda is Little Mix. It seems actually genuine from them, they do it right, they don't bash men, and don't seem "fake woke"

[@anikamusic6382]

Same love by Macklemore and Ryan lewis consistently gives me chills💜

[@alexisrhodes7248]

It's the song that made me feel comfortable coming out as bisexual to my parents

[@ShinRobjira]

“Go scream YAAASSS QUEEN into an infinite void on fucking twitter” is not only the truest response to this, but it’s also one of the funniest things you’ve ever said lmfao. Great vid, my guy! Absolutely a fun little topic to let the hot air out of!

[@beyondartv]

🙏🏻

[@AnomalyArcadie]

Macklemore's Drug Dealer is another great example of a truly good "woke" song. As a recovering addict myself that song always hits me. Especially the end verse as his voice gets more and more intense, then calms as he goes into the Serenity Prayer. Ugh, it gives me goosebumps everytime.

[@Cla226]

You need to calm down is one of the worst examples ever, you took the words out of my mouth about everything that's wrong with it and also her attitude in general. Also, really Taylor? you the millionaire, one of the most famous pop stars in history would be more successful as a man, I cannot believe she said that.

[@beyondartv]

IKR

[@Ty-mu7gl]

The dilemma with Taylor's The Man is that we only pay attention to that song because it's hers. If a smaller artist tried to get that message out into the world, it just wouldn't make it. So yeah, the whole thing's just a little contradicting

[@NikkiBRaps]

halsey is "fake woke" personified

[@lucifersam7946]

Nothing wrong with expressing one’s thoughts on the world, but it’s quite evident when these lot are speaking out of their depth and are hoping that their fans will make up for it. Could be worse, unfortunately. Right-wing grifting is indeed one of the easiest ways to get money and support online.

[@whatthehellisthis]

boys will be boys threw me off when i was listening to future nostalgia. like, i get what she was going for, but it could have been conveyed a lot better.

[@RyanStorey1231]

With "You Need To Calm Down", I think the idea of the song is each verse being about a specific way in which haters try to tear you down when in reality they just need to calm down. The first verse is more introspective and about Taylor specifically. The second verse is about haters in the form of homophobes. And the third verse is about how women are stronger together than divided by hate. The entire song is about internet trolls and haters, just from different angles. I don't think it makes Taylor self-centered to include herself in the conversation and I certainly don't think she was equating her issues with the issues LGBTQ people deal with.

[@sweetbunnybun]

lol why a pop star would read hateful comments, they have a life. anyway, she rides trend waves as well. plus she's selfish and needs to sing about herself no matter what, even in a social song

[@squarebarrel]

Евгения Михайловна Taylor has and always will be a confessional songwriter. So she writes about herself and her experiences just like everyone else does. The moment she makes a political statement in a song people shit all over it. It’s how she feels about the situation. It’s going to happen.

[@jerma953]

i'm so sad abt grandson cause the music is SO GOOD but the lyrics just ruin the whole thing :/

[@louiseemborong5852]

Sad because Chained to the Rhythm is actually good but tied in everything wrongfully. Idk if I make sense.

[@xemptx]

how do women have to prove themselves more? are we just going to pass over that?

[@artificialgummies7416]

I read the title as “poppy has a fake woke problem” and thought the girl in the front was poppy first glance. I was confused for the entire video until looking again, but it’s my fault for watching this at 3 am

[@527398]

when they start using words from stan twitter that's where I take an issue with it. That and writing a vague song about a problem but telling nothing (you need to calm down is guilty of it).

[@cocobarbarian1510]

I think a good point Jon brought up that not a lot of people are discussing is how he moved away from the term "social justice warrior" and I think more people should as well. I always thought of an sjw to be more of an egregious attitude that people who don't want to hear to other perspectives have. And the fact that it has social justice in its name carries the connotation that only people who are left wing can behave that way, when in fact you can see countless examples of people in the other side of the political spectrum acting the same way.

[@helenajuckova1095]

I love how you formulate your arguments. You explain your side so clearly with an educated vocab and use it with great comparisons and metaphors making your point of view better. Rare to see these days. And since we share the same opinion then I’ll be using your video when I get attacked by fake woke ppl. You express it better than I ever could.👏🏼

[@beyondartv]

😎 thank you!

[@finngeometry7570]

The good, the bad and the WOKE

[@RanterInShades]

Brilliant analysis! I've always had this problem with artists that go out of their way to sound "woke" and try to come out with what we can call "t-shirt lines" or "Facebook meme lines". It's obviously not to the point where I think you can't create political art, because even as someone that does identify as anti-SJW, I understand that examples such as the ones you named aren't good examples of good political commentary in music and that there are much better examples. And a big part of what makes them good examples are the fact that they aren't trying to score points and are just writing what they feel.

[@lucifersam7946]

SJW has become nothing more than a baseless insult in the online sphere, so one considering themself to be “anti-SJW” brings questions.

[@RanterInShades]

@@lucifersam7946 It really shouldn't. I think saying that says a little more about you than it does me.

[@psychosalad6653]

It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no senator’s son, no It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no fortunate one

[@DARIUOfficialChannel]

I'm a vocalist in a band and I'm happened to be a man. I personally think sexism towards male is okay especially for an inspiring musician like me. I can not write a song to empower men I have to write songs to please girls but when I write a song about how I've been abused in a relationship with a girl my friends say I'm a jackass, misogynist, etc. It sucks female artists are allowed to tear men down but when men do it, we're assholes. Fvk double standards.

[@janeyjpg911]

Just be nice to people even if they're rude it pisses em off

[@janeyjpg911]

Also mindless self indulgence

[@noahpauley]

You forgot Love It If We Made It by the 1975 in your honorable mentions

[@beyondartv]

Added it to the Spotify playlist. Good call, should’ve mentioned that one for the GOOD.

[@sweetbunnybun]

tbh their 'woke' songs don't bother me that much, maybe because i focus on their texts about feelings. plus it has pretty vague 'world is fucked up' message, that can be seen everywhere

[@MoneyBagsDaGoat919]

9:32 *Cough* That whole hotel shampoo incident *Cough*

[@noahpauley]

I like Grandson but he thinks he's so woke so I can only listen to a few songs.

[@bottledwater134]

Same ,I'm a fan of grandson but he is woke so I don't listen to some of his songs

[@Agju]

one of the things that really bugs me about Halsey is that she definitely gaslights these things and then tries to dodge responsibility...like when she tweeted about how hotels don't have shampoo that caters to POC and then later on tweeted this feigned bemusement like, "wow all i have to do is say one thing and everything gets turned upside down!" as if she just accidentally fell into that out of her own awesome wokeness rather than deliberately trying to get something started. Or when she bitched out a Twitter user for interpreting lyrics of her's about "playing with a guy's stick shift" as being about handjobs when really, supreme artist Halsey totally only meant it as driving a car. And then there are times when she makes situations all about her, talking out of both sides of her mouth, missing the point of the grander scheme, like when she complained in an interview about how people weren't sufficiently in awe of a poem she read at a women's rights rally only then to say in almost the same breath that sooooo many people reached out to her about how life-affirming it was so like......she got the response she wanted, but because the people at the rally, which WASN'T ALL ABOUT HER, didn't fall to their knees, its a big loss? Way to co-opt wokeness and make it all about you while pretending you're NOT this self-absorbed princess.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Pretty much one of the reasons I stopped listening to pop music. 2017 was pretty much the start of all this. Right now, I just want a story that’s relatable. I just want escapism when it comes to today’s music.

[@pastelhotmess9299]

I agree

[@Merdicano]

Sucks that Michael Jackson isn't around making music anymore, because all of that you described in that last part about escapism and telling a story is what he did with his music, but that depends whether you like his music or not

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo I admired it. He was one of the pop artists that had a lot of effort put into his work. Today, there’re barely any (besides Carly Rae Jepsen) that put effort or innovation into their music. And all the ones that people overhype are just off - putting and fake.

[@Merdicano]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 same, I miss MJ, I wish more artists would hold him as a influence for their music, I'd also say that History had some of that similar themes of politics as well, but in a form that was respectable and non-controversial

[@captainayaaya28]

r/lewronggeneration believe it or not, not every single pop song these days are about politics. Even from artist he mentioned, like Dua Lipa and Taylor Swift, has songs not about politics and puts effort into their music (Future Nostalgia, folklore and evermore are some amazing albums and with the exception of one or two songs none of them really talk about politic)

[@kodewilliams2892]

T swift calm down is bad bad

[@lukasmurmann625]

I actually think Taylor Swift's "The Man" is very good a delivering the message in a smart way

[@popstarprincess123]

6:59 you do know men go through those issues right? I don’t understand why women try to own those issues and why they find it insulting to be told that you can only control yourself 9:14 the only people that have a say about what goes on in your bed is you and the person I’m supposed to guess is sleeping with you. Also if you didn’t put it out there then we couldn’t give our opinions but you keeping things behind closed doors is a bigoted thing to say Halsey you bigot. Oh she’s not a bigot she’s empowered *double standards everywhere*

[@mar6488]

Halsey is basically a synonym to fake woke.

[@natsumi2339]

i feel like poppy is a good example of an artist that can convey a political message in a subtle and powerful way. for example, her song ‘time is up’ touches on global warming and the environment without being extremely cheesy and fake woke. Another one is ‘Meat’ which discusses animal cruelty within the meat industry. Anyone can make an amazing song about a current movement/political cause without name dropping politicians and aging the song.

[@AJ-uj5nz]

Halsey lied about her ENTIRE backstory before fame and made one up like it's a character she's larping

[@kellikocha7733]

AJ 666 what did she lie about?

[@juliushlavco]

I absolutely hate the shallow, surface level shit that pop says. Ava Max is probably the worst. All of the cliché we heard a hundred times is pretending to be mindblowing

[@corysimpson7495]

P!nk's 'Dear Mr President' is another good example of woke pop. It was genuine and unexpected as well.

[@roksana1303]

dua has spoken out about sexism many times and always emphasises how she wants men and women to be equal so i don’t think she wanted the lyric to be interpreted like that. I think she was talking about the fact that ‘boys will be boys’ is a common phrase used to excuse sexist behaviour and to deal with it women have to grow up a bit faster which is also what is expected of them. Girls have to be taught to behave a certain way to not cause any problems for boys while boys generally need to be taught more on how to treat girls which means that they’re maturity levels are different. (i’m aware that this isn’t always the case but seems to be the norm)

[@Merdicano]

The way you put it makes me love it actually, I'm a man and I really feel like men should stop getting away with their BS behavior on women

[@Satan97458]

This is why I'll likely quit social media by the end of 2020.

[@patrickreichert1442]

well stated! Well put together arguments

[@twintimeproductions8700]

I think that Taylor Swift's The Man does have equality messages in there, but I see it as, "Sure, maybe men get treated better, but I'd be the best dang man ever if I was born one." Weird message, but one that somewhat detracts from the false equality message.

[@RiddleOfAGirl]

The song is more about her experience and the video was a political stance. Each line is something taylor had to deal with, she's saying it wouldve been received differently if she was a man x

[@twintimeproductions8700]

@brandon roberts I mean she does suck at it but I didn't really see that song as really political.

[@no_stick_drummer2735]

@brandon roberts but everyone wanted her to speak out on anything political? She was okay at doing it. But she's not that good at doing that so it's something along those lines of You ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer.

[@no_stick_drummer2735]

@brandon roberts I think they did that because they knew she didn't know that much about politics so they could turn it around on her and make her look stupid

[@inma5665]

what about Lady gaga's born this way? first song to adress and legitimate the LGBT community without any sensorship, the strong and artistic statement about birth and god loving gays was so provoking at the time (2011) it cost her many bannings around the globe.

[@OfficialSpencer]

THIS! THIS VIDEO IS IT!! Keep it up man....

[@orlock20]

Elvis did it well with songs such as In The Ghetto and If I Can Dream.

[@RubyChiang]

I've been listening for lyrics nowadays with the songs I hear, and it's these "woke" lyrics that really make it very difficult for me to get into the songs.

[@theprettyoftheodd7997]

Jon said, "Gentlemen(women) if you're gonna preach for God's sake preach with Conviction!"

[@panayiotisantoniades1796]

The execution of most of of these songs have been affected highly of the woke climate i agree. Yet, we shouldn’t be that easy to judge them, having in mind their demographic and experiences. New subscriber here!

[@alexanderthefine]

Im scared of how right wing this comment section might get just because of the title

[@beyondartv]

I’ll be moderating comments closely. If anyone actually watches the video (or my channel) it should be clear that I’m not right wing nor do I agree with much anything they believe. However, while I personally lean left I’m more of a centrist. I weigh things on a case by case basis. Thanks for watching!

[@lorenamihailescu8017]

I was not prepared for grandson to be there 💀💀

[@invisibilly1946]

If the message is good I'm not really gonna complain. Yes it could be tailoring to certain crowds but in honesty that doesn't affect me if the message is well written.

[@stephenrobinson8244]

A point of view is a point of view, I don't think bringing attention to the stuff they do is bad. Just hopefully in the long run someone give answers and ways to correct the issues.

[@kalospsofos]

I was expecting to hear Gaga's name in the end lol Angel Down is a masterpiece

[@jeremywaygay]

I feel like so much genuine activism and fighting against bigotry often gets shadowed by people being fake woke for the sake of some sort of selfish personal gain. At this point I can say that I am very much a leftist punk, mostly due to gradually being more and more educated on marginalized groups and what they go through, as well as being a part of some of them as well. it is beyond frustrating to be called an sjw when at this point many ppl just use that term for anyone who cares about others or wants to champion for human rights. I also just think that sjw is such a bad term too. Because without any context of anything, "social justice warrior" sounds like a noble title. I think calling these people fake woke is far more accurate imo. But yeah. I really think more people need to distinguish between caring about a cause and capitalizing on it

[@Cla226]

Completely agree, most of the time they just sing about those things to seem "relatable" but they don't actually care about they issue, cause they just talk and don't actually do anything.

[@davidemarconi9146]

The problem is not in the lyrics, the problem is in the ideas of these artists, which are dumb and stupid, or in general the artist has not really the knowledge or the instruments to say something useful or interesting about a problematic topic

[@harrypotteravenclaw]

Really like the musical waveforms, was that hannah? Great job

[@VarsityAthlete04]

It's to appeal to a certain group of people.

[@thegloriouspyrocheems2277]

Artists talking about "privilege" and the "woke" is so cringy and I hope more people wake tf up to this bullshit

[@maxpalmer3212]

Great video man

[@squarebarrel]

I just find it quite irritating that. Yes, Taylor is the biggest artist in the world that people seem to think she isn’t allowed to have political overtones in her songs. Some completely miss interpreting The Man all together. It’s more calling out double standards more than anything. She’s fully aware of her privilege. Sometimes at a point even she hates it as well. For me YNTCD is more of STFU it’s not serious what I’m doing or what a group of people or a community leave these people alone and let them do their own thing.

[@taylorparnell2186]

Massacre off palayes upcoming album is such a good one too both from a musical and political standpoint

[@bryn_3467]

I completely agree with you about grandson. I loved his music and then I went to a concert where I wanted him to sing, that's why I was there, but he went to long tirades about politics. After that concert I like him less and he released new music that wasn't anything different from his prior music.

[@beyondartv]

Yep. He’s boring and stale, and his concert made it so much for for me.

[@colesmith1178]

Thank you for this video lol

[@RubyChiang]

I really hate it when films or music become "woke". Subtleness is alright but ones that come right at your face really annoys me. And if anyone wants to do it, they need to do it right.

[@Finch702]

this is how i’ve felt about music for a while but i’ve never been able to put my finger on it. this explains it perfectly. thank you. :)

[@pamelaisley1820]

No mention of Scheiße, Americano, or Angel Down by Gaga? :(

[@RajaReign78]

TY Jon I now know what SJW means 😬😬😬