"Pope Michael" - Full Documentary

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12 жыл бұрын

Full "Pope Michael" documentary.
www.popemichaelfilm.com
©2011 Adam Fairholm

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@bobsiegfried532
@bobsiegfried532 4 жыл бұрын
this reminds me of The Office.
@jakepimentel
@jakepimentel 3 жыл бұрын
Is this why he chose the name Michael?
@elizabethflood3612
@elizabethflood3612 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ7daZihrKunhqM
@evanc.1591
@evanc.1591 2 жыл бұрын
@@elizabethflood3612 That made my day, thank you!
@brg1213
@brg1213 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing 😂😂😂..2 years later.
@Gardenkeeper1000
@Gardenkeeper1000 2 жыл бұрын
The official institution being Dunder Mifflin and them being the Michael paper Scott Company.
@asimpleuser123
@asimpleuser123 2 жыл бұрын
Even if not agree, let us pray for his soul. RIP.
@grovercleavland2698
@grovercleavland2698 Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 Жыл бұрын
I respect that he was a true believer in what he believed and lived modestly, it wasn't a con job.
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
He will need it since he was a thief and kiddie toucher
@InExcelsisDeo24
@InExcelsisDeo24 5 ай бұрын
That's a big accusation, where's the evidence? @@blazertracer1
@JT-vk7mv
@JT-vk7mv 3 ай бұрын
​@@blazertracer1Are you saying that because he's clergy?
@jupiterinaries6150
@jupiterinaries6150 7 жыл бұрын
for some reason this documentary makes me want to seriously practise my Catholic faith.
@5amH45lam
@5amH45lam 7 жыл бұрын
It makes me want to practise your Catholic faith too.
@gollum19671967
@gollum19671967 7 жыл бұрын
Makes me want to practice Game of Thrones Catholic faith
@mr.alaska2232
@mr.alaska2232 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe one day you can be pope Michael the second lol
@maryprayforus7652
@maryprayforus7652 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps I could be the 3rd?
@BaronPalamedeCharlus
@BaronPalamedeCharlus 5 жыл бұрын
It made me renounce it.
@harrypalmer8155
@harrypalmer8155 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of negative comments, yet I can't help but see the purity in these guys. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are those in pure heart, for they will see God.
@johnyanke7335
@johnyanke7335 2 жыл бұрын
Antipopes deserve negative comments
@TheSeanoftheBread
@TheSeanoftheBread 2 жыл бұрын
He was certainly in prelest, but you can tell Pope Michael probably had some mental deficiencies. He was certainly a sweet man, and he unquestionably had a good heart, and a deep love of God. I pray God have mercy on him. I hope to meet him in the next life.
@williamwalsh3210
@williamwalsh3210 Жыл бұрын
Huh?
@twisted760
@twisted760 11 ай бұрын
Dude was a pedophile. Abused his nieces and nephews. Seriously fucked family shit. Absolutely nothing redeeming about him
@deus_vult8111
@deus_vult8111 9 ай бұрын
@@johnyanke7335what about antipope francis
@bloodqueef4147
@bloodqueef4147 5 жыл бұрын
He's like the Chris-Chan of popes
@rapscallionrobby
@rapscallionrobby 3 жыл бұрын
The TRUE and HONEST pope
@dasdiesel3000
@dasdiesel3000 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, yeah, in communion of the sonichus, among which, I am same time fully God, fully (wo)man, and fully sonichu, so dere! Take dat, you decadent Roman heretics!
@bjbackitis
@bjbackitis Жыл бұрын
Well, how many people can say that their childhood friend became pope?? My family and the Bawden's were extremely close back in the early to mid 70's; David was a good friend of mine, and we were the first altar boys at the traditional chapel that was started there in Oklahoma City. (Okay, David was officially the first one, then he taught me.) In fact, my father was David's Confirmation sponsor, and Ken Bawden (David's father) was MY Confirmation sponsor, when we received that Sacrament conferred by Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre (prior to his 22 July 1976 supposed-suspension by the Vatican). My family moved away from OKC in the Spring of 1977, about the time David (I believe) went off to the SSPX seminary in Econe, Switzerland. While I had learned of his "election" not long after it happened, it was only very recently that I learned of his passing and discovered this documentary. I had often thought about reaching out to him but honestly, wasn't sure what I could even say at that point. I will choose to remember David as I knew him back then in OKC, and have been praying for the eternal rest of his immortal soul.
@beardown851
@beardown851 10 ай бұрын
lemme get this straight i read your story but your were actually friends with antipope michael
@bjbackitis
@bjbackitis 10 ай бұрын
@@beardown851 I was friends with David Bawden when he was a teenager. Anything beyond that point is a complete mystery to me except what I learned second- or third-hand. I knew David, not (Anti-) Pope Michael.
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
Well at least he can't touch kids anymore
@margaretstewart5538
@margaretstewart5538 6 ай бұрын
Did you see signs of mental issues looking back on him as a child? His mum mentioned in the documentary him manipulating other children as a child
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 6 ай бұрын
@@margaretstewart5538 he was a pedo and a grifter and a thief.
@spiderb3367
@spiderb3367 4 жыл бұрын
I’m the real Ecumenical Patriarch, I live in Arkansas and drive a Jeep Cherokee
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 4 жыл бұрын
And I am the Grand Caliph of Branson! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
@fyodor_ivanovich
@fyodor_ivanovich 3 жыл бұрын
Better than the current one lol
@MadMax31577
@MadMax31577 2 жыл бұрын
Greek or Russian? (I know there are many others, but which one are you?)
@archbishopnicholasacresocr429
@archbishopnicholasacresocr429 6 ай бұрын
Hmm
@magpiecity
@magpiecity 6 ай бұрын
You' re not in communion with my patriarchate in Missoula, Montana! 😂
@nikolaibreckenridge2287
@nikolaibreckenridge2287 5 жыл бұрын
Many things in this video are ridiculous, but the most sinful thing here is that lady putting a frozen chicken (turkey?) into a microwave to defrost it. Just terrible...
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
I love your remark!!
@toptech88
@toptech88 4 жыл бұрын
*turrible
@GustavoGarcia-ud3ke
@GustavoGarcia-ud3ke 3 жыл бұрын
OMG dead...
@dasdiesel3000
@dasdiesel3000 2 жыл бұрын
I think I've found some symbolism in that, too: much like the turkey being improperly cooked, but served with pride (you'll remember she grilled the acolyte early in the movie about "if he knew how to cook a full dinner properly"), she filled her son with half-baked ideas, he spent an incomplete time in seminary, was "priest" for a woefully short time, then presented himself, lukewarm and frozen in the middle out of the microwave, as the new full and true pope!
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
Comrade Nikolai in the good old USA 🇺🇸 we take pride in our microwaved Turkeys. Even Eyetalians like me might start using microwaves for homemade lasagna, and manicotti.
@MrMslay
@MrMslay 9 жыл бұрын
Heresy and sacrilege
@williamjameslehy1341
@williamjameslehy1341 3 жыл бұрын
The way he talks sounds disturbingly reminiscent of Chris-Chan.
@rapscallionrobby
@rapscallionrobby 3 жыл бұрын
He’s the TRUE and HONEST pope!
@shaunsaega
@shaunsaega 3 жыл бұрын
Here after Chris Chan made the headlines
@winnietheblue3633
@winnietheblue3633 2 жыл бұрын
lets hope not
@williamjameslehy1341
@williamjameslehy1341 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah let's hope Pope Michael hasn't been violating his vow of celibacy *that* way.
@victoriasoto7335
@victoriasoto7335 10 жыл бұрын
I dont wanna critizice this guy but just by looking at him you can tell something is not right ....
@sufficientgrace8375
@sufficientgrace8375 10 жыл бұрын
Eccentric much ? But lovely hearts.
@Z0mbicore
@Z0mbicore 7 жыл бұрын
fake news
@17me64
@17me64 7 жыл бұрын
Please get this poor man the proper help he so obviously needs!
@lassusprophetam8209
@lassusprophetam8209 6 жыл бұрын
I think he's trying to do good he's moved by Holy Spirit and obviously the papacy is really messed up you got a criminal in there in the current pope in Rome was a bar bouncer, who betrayed his friends who are there by tortured, and looks even more shady the new whoever you are complaining about. One of the Pope's before him was part one of the Nazi luftwaffe a Nazi pilot. I mean really don't you think your pass is gone a little bit off wack when the Pope's a Nazi. I say give this guy a chance he looks like a good wholesome Farm Boy.
@comva5230
@comva5230 6 жыл бұрын
You think?
@abcdeshole
@abcdeshole Жыл бұрын
The mother is a darling. She loves her son so much, she thinks he’s the pope and she’s very proud of him for it. She’s like Peggy Hill or something, with Bobby on a papal throne in the basement.
@Oldman808
@Oldman808 Жыл бұрын
I actually feel a bit sorry for Michael. His mother is obviously stone crazy. God knows the nonsense she stuffed into his little head when he was a child. Without her baneful influence, he might have been a successful parish priest - and led a happy life. Furthermore, Michael’s father utterly abdicated his responsibility to protect Michael from his mother.
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
His mommy drugged kids so David could touch them.
@caterpillar4517
@caterpillar4517 2 жыл бұрын
Bro this is filmed just like how The Office is filmed and it's hilarious because this is actually real
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 Жыл бұрын
The Office was a huge show when they filmed this
@heathenhammer2344
@heathenhammer2344 10 ай бұрын
Stupid fuckin show.
@BrendanHoward
@BrendanHoward 2 ай бұрын
Ummm, yes. Because The Office is filmed like a documentary.
@kkdesignservices183
@kkdesignservices183 6 жыл бұрын
I'm the real Dalai Lama. I live in Austin, and I love margaritas.
@jdepape9645
@jdepape9645 5 жыл бұрын
Greetings Mr Dalai.
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
@@jdepape9645 Actually the Dalai Lama prefers Befeeter gin martinis!
@kkdesignservices183
@kkdesignservices183 3 жыл бұрын
@Carolus Magnus Unhappiness.
@TGiannini007
@TGiannini007 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@DonutKop
@DonutKop 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings lama!
@hajarmatveeva
@hajarmatveeva 7 жыл бұрын
Pope living with his mother! Unprecedented in History. She's the Mama Roma!
@anselman3156
@anselman3156 2 жыл бұрын
The Lord Jesus Christ lived with His Mother.
@ronchism6435
@ronchism6435 2 жыл бұрын
😊
@ronchism6435
@ronchism6435 2 жыл бұрын
The smile is not mockery. I'm FAR from Catholicism. I'm not a Christian. But, I just LOVE someone who throws a wrench in the works, as Mike has done!! And if I ever decided to be Catholic, Mike would be my Pope!!! 😁
@joseluisaltamirano1531
@joseluisaltamirano1531 2 жыл бұрын
actually, Pope Paschal I was elected when his mother, Lady Theodora was still alive
@johncronin9540
@johncronin9540 2 жыл бұрын
@@anselman3156 A) Jesus was not a pope. B) We know extremely little about Jesus’ early life, indeed the vast majority of his life. It might be more accurate to hypothesize that both lived in the house of Joseph. It was relatively recently that Social Security, and advances in medicine, made independent living possible for seniors, with a pension. Prior to that, extended families living under the same roof was quite common, probably more the rule than the exception.
@loggats
@loggats 10 жыл бұрын
Such a strange, sad, wonderful little film. God have mercy.
@conzmoleman
@conzmoleman 3 жыл бұрын
who is god? you mean santa?
@gch8810
@gch8810 2 жыл бұрын
@@conzmoleman Did the world just pop into existence one day?
@conzmoleman
@conzmoleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@gch8810 i don’t know did it
@deedeedee9310
@deedeedee9310 2 жыл бұрын
@@conzmoleman disparage or deny Him all you want….you will still face Him come Judgement Day. I pray you realize this and repent…but if you choose not to..I do not envy you.
@conzmoleman
@conzmoleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@deedeedee9310 yeah and santa will put coal in my stocking too 😂 i’ll rot in the ground just like you, but i’m a good person for the sake of being good. why would a loving and just god make us exactly as we are just so we can fuck up and he’d get to torture us forever. even a child would say that sounds fake and stupid.
@hailey1313
@hailey1313 Жыл бұрын
If any antipope is in Heaven, please let it be this man. I truly believe he was not culpable of schism due to his mental illness. He did what he believed to be right and holy and had the courage to stand up time and time again for it, even if it was false and objectively insane, in the face of mockery.
@gegegenokozo6059
@gegegenokozo6059 Жыл бұрын
Amen.😢
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
He was a lazy pos who used religion to scam and touch kids
@tom7784
@tom7784 8 жыл бұрын
I feel so sorry for that nice kid. Why are you wasting your life?! you should have done humanities at uni not engineering, clearly you are more that way inclined.
@samanthastudios618
@samanthastudios618 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh he's living a fuller life than most
@conzmoleman
@conzmoleman 3 жыл бұрын
@@samanthastudios618 doubt
@ulimbombonaulindi5088
@ulimbombonaulindi5088 3 жыл бұрын
He is living his dreams. I support him💪
@5star555555555
@5star555555555 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the episode of Jeopardy! they're watching is from October 20, 2009.
@pannamal5182
@pannamal5182 5 ай бұрын
Unless it was a repeat
@cjjm17
@cjjm17 2 жыл бұрын
RIP my guy, David Bawden received last rites and was reconciled to the church by his parish priest
@johnyanke7335
@johnyanke7335 2 жыл бұрын
Wait what? You got a citation or something?
@cjjm17
@cjjm17 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnyanke7335 news broke yesterday on their official Twitter acc
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 2 жыл бұрын
Thuc line traditional Catholic Priest not associated w the Novus Ordo anti-Church reached out to Father Dominic,whom Bp.Bawden Ordained,and was told it's an ugly rumor. Pray 10 Hail Mary's for his Soul. Requiescant in Pace.
@TraddyGirl62
@TraddyGirl62 11 жыл бұрын
That actual Catholic priest at that talk at KU was opening a can of Catholic Truth on these schismatics.
@Mommyandtux
@Mommyandtux 6 жыл бұрын
TraddyGirl62 Schismatic heretics*
@POCCNRCKNbY
@POCCNRCKNbY 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Spyridon Schismatic and heretic are one in the same.
@Mr.mallaer
@Mr.mallaer 4 жыл бұрын
TraddyGirl62 He was wrong with the idea that validity of the Pope depends on taking possession of a particular location or a Church.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.mallaer Yes, since otherwise the Popes in Avignon up to Sts Bridget and Catherine urging their return would have been non-Popes - a 70 years' sedevacancy.
@Mr.mallaer
@Mr.mallaer 4 жыл бұрын
Hans-Georg Lundahl I am sure if there’s no Pope the Church would be in the process of selecting the new Pope as is the custom when Pope dies.
@TheScholaGregoriana
@TheScholaGregoriana 11 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this purely for the entertainment. I pray that they find a real Catholic priest, confess, and rejoin Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic again. Please pray for all of these poor souls who need Christ!
@BaronPalamedeCharlus
@BaronPalamedeCharlus 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus is something this poor sod need *less* of.
@conzmoleman
@conzmoleman 3 жыл бұрын
oh okay they need the much more popular batch of fake made up nonsense. makes sense.
@Poingomungus
@Poingomungus 3 жыл бұрын
At least we can be pretty hopeful this Pope has never diddled any kids
@CadillacBunner
@CadillacBunner 2 жыл бұрын
Inbred papacy.
@SomeBody-rm6hf
@SomeBody-rm6hf 2 жыл бұрын
@@conzmoleman let me guess... you're gay
@truantj
@truantj Жыл бұрын
It's like a mash-up between The Office, King of the Hill, and The Young Pope, all rolled into one.
@therago1456
@therago1456 19 күн бұрын
With Chris Chan being the pope
@jonathanmthomas2728
@jonathanmthomas2728 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently he passed today while in Hospice care. Let us pray that he was in a state of sanctifying grace before his passing. I'm curious what the "succession" process is now? will the young man who became a priest will.take his place
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently Fr.Dominic,Ordained by Bp.Bawden,offered him Confession & Extreme Unction before he died
@jonathanmthomas2728
@jonathanmthomas2728 2 жыл бұрын
​@@E.C.2 praise God
@eLmigotv
@eLmigotv 11 ай бұрын
There is a new elected Pope from the Philippines, Archbishop Rogelio Martinez and will use the name Pope Michael II. Coronation will be this coming October 28,2023.
@MariaLourdesFlores-fl2ix
@MariaLourdesFlores-fl2ix Ай бұрын
hahahaahhaha...and did it happen?​@@eLmigotv
@kinesiafox1219
@kinesiafox1219 5 жыл бұрын
Grandma seems pretty worried about who's going to cook, too.
@johnjay7255
@johnjay7255 6 жыл бұрын
The Latin pronunciation is horrid.
@citizensmith7759
@citizensmith7759 5 жыл бұрын
Speeding and slurring through. Terrible.
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
@@mudkipx9052 In this day and age, there are probably priest pretenders of the Novus Ordo who have never taken a single course in Latin, in high school or even seminary. A bunch of illiterates.
@mikehatem9570
@mikehatem9570 3 жыл бұрын
It couldn't be much worse
@tktru
@tktru 3 ай бұрын
This is like a milder version of Chris Chan
@ClassicalGuyx
@ClassicalGuyx 3 жыл бұрын
He was wearing sweat pants under a cassock. Latae sententiae.
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
This wonderful documentary is sort of a mix of the Papacy and the Beverly Hillbillies show.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 4 жыл бұрын
You are clearly a poet. I cannot improve on this analogy. Bravo, yer Hölliness!
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
@@singvogel7895 It's homegrown stuff. But a lot of what he says I actually agree with this. The Church has turned to absolute shit.
@xp_studios7804
@xp_studios7804 2 жыл бұрын
Pope Francis has often prayed that he can go into a Roman pizzeria and not be recognized, meanwhile Pope Michael can freely walk into any Cici’s in the nation, Deus laudatus sit!
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen 4 ай бұрын
If this dude and Chris-Chan were ever to come into contact with each other the dimensional merge would probably actually happen.
@xp_studios7804
@xp_studios7804 2 жыл бұрын
Latin in a Kansan accent is certainly something lol
@DellaStreet123
@DellaStreet123 7 жыл бұрын
While the idea that out of about a billion Roman Catholics, six people, three of them related, can form a conclave and elect a Pope (one of them, no less) is quite a far stretch, this is actually a very nice "Pope". Soft-spoken, witty, accessible - what more can you want in a Pope?
@DIDOTV9
@DIDOTV9 6 жыл бұрын
Authority and apostolic succession duuuuuuuuh
@BaronPalamedeCharlus
@BaronPalamedeCharlus 5 жыл бұрын
The Church of Rome manifested equally bizarre conclaves in the Middle Ages and Renaissance.
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 3 жыл бұрын
Certainly more approachable than any Pope in my lifetime. Rome and the Vatican may be an architectural treasure, but many of the people who inhabit it are probably quite evil. Hearts of stone; scandals of every variety, and on and on. How can this "Pope" get in trouble, living in the middle of nowhere with his mom and one postulant?
@mikehatem9570
@mikehatem9570 3 жыл бұрын
What more can you want? Well, sanity might help....
@bluegrassproject
@bluegrassproject Жыл бұрын
What more can you want? I never knew that Jesus called Peter to be soft-spoken, witty and accessible to be the rock of the church...
@mariekatherine5238
@mariekatherine5238 6 жыл бұрын
At last, a saint for the 40-somethings living in their mama's basement! He, himself said it, "Just simple nonsense." Only in the USA!
@HighKingTurgon
@HighKingTurgon Жыл бұрын
I come to find out I was ON CAMPUS, a FRESHMAN, when Bawden came to speak at KU. And I MISSED it. God bless Fr. Steve. He could out-tradition the most traditional, and yet when he celebrated Mass in Latin for us students, he did so according to the traditional rubric-the Ordo Missae promulgated in 1969 by Paul VI. May the Lord grant Mr. Bawden eternal rest, and may we all pray for him. Phil's vows are interesting-he did NOT elect a successor last fall. Was he ever ordained? And why are they in English? One thing I cannot abide is the insistence on Latin in liturgy, but an indifference toward the actual function of language. I have never heard a traditionalist outright state, but I can hardly conclude otherwise, that they regard it as something of a magical incantation. Thanks, Adam, for this sensitive take on the man.
@EvocatusX
@EvocatusX 8 жыл бұрын
Sedevacantism is an utter Pandora's box that leads to a dead end.
@Eilbheis
@Eilbheis 5 жыл бұрын
It’s essentially Protestant theology with a catholic mask.
@ecopley9013
@ecopley9013 4 жыл бұрын
@@Eilbheis This is not sedevacantism! It is conclavism and all sedevacantists hold it to be ridiculous!
@Eilbheis
@Eilbheis 4 жыл бұрын
Same Protestant spirit in principle
@ecopley9013
@ecopley9013 4 жыл бұрын
@オソリオ No, sedevacantism is simply truth. Truth can never be ridiculous. I will say a prayer for you today.
@RezaChity-G
@RezaChity-G 4 жыл бұрын
@Antonio Salieri We read the Catechism, cite where it proves sedevacantism wrong.
@RTSacredProductions
@RTSacredProductions 11 жыл бұрын
This is beyond sad. The false "pope" is not even an ordained priest. I feel especially sad for the young man who wants to be a true priest. One should not make fun of these people as it is really tragic - they seem like sweet yet unstable souls who are just completely delusional. I am mystified at how someone who is not even an ordained priest can have his parents vote for him to be "pope" and think it is all true. The whole thing is depressing when you consider that they really believe it.
@maryprayforus7652
@maryprayforus7652 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you didn't know, your not required to be a priest to be Pope. Even a lay man could be elected Pope. That will never happen but it's a fact. I was surprised to learn such.
@RezaChity-G
@RezaChity-G 4 жыл бұрын
@@maryprayforus7652 Key word is "Elected" The Pope as Bishop of Rome, must be ordained to all minor orders and all major orders, the priesthood, and the episcopacy, "Pope" Michael wasn't until many years after his supposed election and from doubtful Old Catholic schismatics.
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 2 жыл бұрын
Pope Fabian was elected as a layman then received Holy Orders the following 3 days Bp.Bawden has Utecht Old Catholic,Duarte-Costa, and Greek Orthodox,lines of succession. The Holy Orders are valid Son.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 4 жыл бұрын
I will always be fascinated by the varieties of human delusion. This one is especially piquant.
@Deus-Vult-AMDG
@Deus-Vult-AMDG 11 күн бұрын
My fav part is when the guy is just playing online chess in the background
@johnplatanitis5955
@johnplatanitis5955 3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend St. Dymphna to be their patron saint. :-)
@mercster
@mercster Жыл бұрын
A man who stuck to his convictions. People in the comments may laugh, and of course they do. Was Pope Michael the vicar of Christ? Maybe not, but I dare anyone in the comments to dedicate this much time to something you believe in, instead of following another man/institution and accepting something you know in your heart is false. Sometimes we can learn a lot from someone who the whole world says is crazy. Most men stay silent, for fear of being ridiculed. I'd rather be ridiculed for something I believe in than live with the knowledge that, deep inside... I thought something and didn't say it. It's something this modern Internet age just absolutely DOES NOT understand: integrity. Most people read "integrity" as "being good" or something (thanks, modern education systems.) It means being true to yourself. Many of us are not true to what we believe... we see foolish things going on all the time, and agree in silence because we don't want to be the "odd man out." And a great many more of us don't even think about it. Many people don't even believe anything anymore; we only believe what we've been told by mass media and sites like Twitter. Be very careful the next time you hear someone, or even that little voice inside your head, say "Well everyone knows THAT!" As if everything we hear on the Internet, or in school, or even in church is some received wisdom that we do not have the capability of questioning. If you are truly ignorant, be quiet, but if you've searched for truth and found it, or hear something that sounds false... well, you know what to do. Pope Michael did. I'm not even a Catholic, and I'd rather be him than some doofus who sits on streaming sites, watching someone else play a video game and agreeing with what all the other people there say. Braying like sheep, in a herd.
@mercster
@mercster Жыл бұрын
As an addendum, I look at what the kids call the "ratio" these days: 106k views, and 777 likes. Most of the people who see this video watch it and laugh, "HAHA this guy is CRAZY, EVERYONE KNOWS he's not the pope!" Yet you probably aren't even Christian, and if you are... probably not a Catholic. You wouldn't listen to the "real" pope any more than you would Pope Michael. So why are you letting an institution that you don't believe in, tell you what's what? At least give this man a like for stepping out on his own and having his say. Kinda like how you and your family don't get along anymore, because you're still mad that Dad made you wear nice clothes on Sunday when you were growing up. And maaaaaan, you're an independent thinker now! You think it took guts? Look at this guy, Pope Michael. :-)
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 Жыл бұрын
You could say the same about Adolf Hitler. Blinkered mania is NOT a virtue unto itself. This guy was clearly an idiot.
@mercster
@mercster Жыл бұрын
@@singvogel7895 Yeah OK, random KZbin commenter who has probably not had a single conviction in his life other than what he was taught in some textbooks.
@urbanviii6557
@urbanviii6557 4 жыл бұрын
@28:23, the one postulant, seminarian, is playing chess while the Supreme Pontiff is talking about internet evangelization. The chess game can wait!
@jonathanmthomas2728
@jonathanmthomas2728 2 жыл бұрын
So the priest who joined moves in with Pope Michael and his mom, and she cooks for them? Doesn't sound like a bad deal. On a side note, Michael seems like a nice guy and his mother seems like a sweetheart. It's hard not to judge. Do I believe he's the Successor of St Peter? No, absolutely not. But do i think he's a bad person? Absolutely not. He seems like a genuinely good guy.
@andrewfetcho544
@andrewfetcho544 2 жыл бұрын
He died today and his mother forgot to mention the Pope thing in his obituary.
@jonathanmthomas2728
@jonathanmthomas2728 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfetcho544 Oh man, that makes me sad. How did he pass?
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
@Andrew Fetcho Hopefully, that's a sign Father David came to his senses before he passed.
@TraddyGirl62
@TraddyGirl62 6 жыл бұрын
Their Latin is horrendous. At least the pronunciation. The Confiteor was ... I don't know what that was.
@luisfck2119
@luisfck2119 4 жыл бұрын
that's what happens when you can hardly speak english and create your latin circus, I almost laughed if this wasnt too sad already
@AidenFeltkamp
@AidenFeltkamp 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus said “you gotta be a good cook”
@dasdiesel3000
@dasdiesel3000 2 жыл бұрын
When the mom was ragging on that kid about being a good cook after microwaving that turkey looking thing I lol'd
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
@@dasdiesel3000 I hope you start microwaving your Thanksgiving Turkey 🦃, and Christmas Goose 🎄
@deus_vult8111
@deus_vult8111 9 ай бұрын
He’s more of a “pope” than Francis Bergoglio tbh.
@yvonetubla7682
@yvonetubla7682 8 ай бұрын
so you reject vatican 1 and you're an old catholic?
@deus_vult8111
@deus_vult8111 8 ай бұрын
@@yvonetubla7682 No. I accept Vatican I. I reject Vatican II. Also, Francis & Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) and the rest of the post-Vatican II Antipopes are the ones who actually reject Vatican 1 and Unam Sanctam, they don’t believe that the Eastern Orthodox nor the Protestants should be converted to Catholicism. Their idolatrous Assisi pray events and Amazon Synods prove they are not of God.
@yvonetubla7682
@yvonetubla7682 8 ай бұрын
@@deus_vult8111 so you claim that you accept vatican 1 but you don't actually accept vatican 1? you accept the papacy you just don't accept the papacy the way the catholic church sees it you're with the anglicans and orthodox who accept the papacy but change the definition of the papacy
@deus_vult8111
@deus_vult8111 8 ай бұрын
@@yvonetubla7682 No. did you not just read what I said? I said I believe in Vatican I, but I reject Vatican II. Didn’t you see that? ^
@yvonetubla7682
@yvonetubla7682 8 ай бұрын
@@deus_vult8111 "i don't reject the papacy or vatican 1 i just reject the person sitting on the papal throne right now" welcome to anglicanism or eastern orthodoxy you do reject vatican 1, you even reject trent saying that there cannot be any changes to the liturgy you reject the visible foundation of the catholic church: the pope
@philiphughes7481
@philiphughes7481 5 жыл бұрын
Elected by who? Not elected by the College of Cardinals.
@jeremiahjohnson7619
@jeremiahjohnson7619 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought. All this guy is, is a lesser known Martin Luther.
@Mr.mallaer
@Mr.mallaer 4 жыл бұрын
Philip Hughes He was elected by his parents and friends. I believe there were six in total. To his credit he did not dispute that valid Pope has to be elected by the college of cardinals.
@StJohnPaulXXIII
@StJohnPaulXXIII 2 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace David Bawden
@cpreston99
@cpreston99 6 жыл бұрын
What a nut! I feel bad his friend. He seems innocent, just lost. Poor guy
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 4 жыл бұрын
Same. Pope" Michael is very eccentric, but seems to have a genuine knowledge and intrest in the faith. Personally I feel he should have become a religious brother in a conservative religious community that retains the Latin mass.
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
@INFJ Integrity vs Narcissism Exactly, he could have done something useful for the Church.
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been so funny to see a long debate between Michael and Pius 13.
@uncklebuckle6859
@uncklebuckle6859 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re too crazy for the SSPX, then there isn’t much hope for you.
@samanthastudios618
@samanthastudios618 3 жыл бұрын
The SSPX isn't crazy at all. Pope Benedict and Francis have shown them much acceptance and praise.
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 2 жыл бұрын
@@samanthastudios618 SSPX are just conservative, it's the CMRI that seems a little out there.
@treymurnane4541
@treymurnane4541 2 жыл бұрын
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 CMRI is sedevacantist.
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
Sure there is. You can join the modern Jesuit order or a similar diocese with a lunatic Bishop.
@SpanishWrangler
@SpanishWrangler 9 жыл бұрын
Pope Michael....I am Superman!
@SpanishWrangler
@SpanishWrangler 9 жыл бұрын
Loooo my ass! He looks like an imbecile if you ask me. Actually this false pope is an arrogant piece of dung. No valid ordination from The Catholic Church. There is only one CATHOLIC Church and it is not his by apostolic succession. He only serves the devil. Poor buffoon..
@xp_studios7804
@xp_studios7804 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Pope Michael explains the doctrine of invincible ignorance well, even if what he means by Catholic Church is erroneous. Many people who reject Vatican II have said I’m going straight to hell lmao
@BaronPalamedeCharlus
@BaronPalamedeCharlus 5 жыл бұрын
Yee haw! Habemus papam, y'all!
@urbanviii6557
@urbanviii6557 4 жыл бұрын
FABULOUS comment!
@mikehatem9570
@mikehatem9570 3 жыл бұрын
Howdy y'all! To celebrate the election, send one hundred US dollars and we'll send y'all absolutely free: six hot dawgs and a plenary indulgence ;)
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
@@urbanviii6557 Are you really Pope Urban?
@KCODacey
@KCODacey 2 жыл бұрын
I don't have a question but I do have 2 quibbles. They've resulted in a very uncomfortable rash. Do you think that water blessed by Pope Mikey can cure it?
@lesleydavies4455
@lesleydavies4455 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. A very interesting and well executed video.
@lixdexical
@lixdexical 11 жыл бұрын
LOVED LOVE LOVED the score!!!
@Hagood2011
@Hagood2011 2 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace, Mst Rev. David Bawden aka Pope Michael.
@Cathoholicism
@Cathoholicism 3 жыл бұрын
WHO HERE FROM CATHOHOLICISM
@bean7675
@bean7675 3 жыл бұрын
Hola
@timothya3112
@timothya3112 3 жыл бұрын
Peace be with you
@jordank5328
@jordank5328 3 жыл бұрын
It do be a slow day at work
@ronaldogontung8275
@ronaldogontung8275 3 жыл бұрын
Shall we ask St. Dymphna a favor to help this guy? 🙃
@redbaron642
@redbaron642 3 жыл бұрын
Oy!
@marcocasas6148
@marcocasas6148 2 жыл бұрын
pope michael r.i.p ..... now finally rest to the right of the father !!!!!!
@citizensmith7759
@citizensmith7759 5 жыл бұрын
His cassocks are alter boy cassocks. At least get a proper soutane with piping and shoulder cape.
@michaelmooney3369
@michaelmooney3369 7 жыл бұрын
when where you ordained and what Seminary did you graduate from? when did the college of Cardinals elect you Pope?
@maryprayforus7652
@maryprayforus7652 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. These are appropriate questions.
@davidgleba3832
@davidgleba3832 2 жыл бұрын
Pie Jesu Domine, dona ei requiem sempiternam.
@michaelmooney3369
@michaelmooney3369 7 жыл бұрын
you do realize that only the college of cardinals can elect a Pope? don't you?
@heathenhammer2344
@heathenhammer2344 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Pope Michael
@MrGoulio
@MrGoulio 9 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder, and I'm trying to understand his position without immediately condemning it, if he's the bishop of Rome, why doesn't he live there? And in his 2nd presentation, one of his slides said, "One Holy Catholic Church". Why leave out the Apostolic part? And also, what ever happened to his dad? Did he die or leave or something?
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 9 жыл бұрын
Brian Goulet Not sure if you found the answer re-his father but yes, he did die. Also, he knows he cannot claim any apostolic succession. This poor fellow, David Bawden is so self deluded.
@mikehatem9570
@mikehatem9570 3 жыл бұрын
He doesn't want to move to Rome-that would mean his mama wouldn't be taking care of him anymore
@embossed64
@embossed64 Жыл бұрын
I like how the priest during the presentation says I'm not going to defend the nonsense of Vatican II...then proceeds to defend it.
@beardown851
@beardown851 10 ай бұрын
this dudes evidence for being pope “trust me bro”
@jofo817
@jofo817 5 жыл бұрын
"New Apostles"?? Ummm NO. The end of the Apocalypse (Revelation) 21:14 says there are 12 Apostles.
@nathanieldrain907
@nathanieldrain907 6 жыл бұрын
Can I be a pope too?
@ZuoCruz
@ZuoCruz 2 жыл бұрын
Rip Pope Michael
@Manojrgulalkai
@Manojrgulalkai 9 жыл бұрын
I think he is 'youtube' pope! isnt he?
@kinesiafox1219
@kinesiafox1219 5 жыл бұрын
Grandma needs to clean up the house a bit...I mean the papal apartment needs some help...
@ayushdas7447
@ayushdas7447 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to sympathise. May God give him the grace of conversion if he is wrong. But if he is correct, may God open our eyes to see the truth. Let us pray.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say he needs the grace of mental health care, but it sounds like you might as well.
@Salve_Regina8
@Salve_Regina8 2 жыл бұрын
@@singvogel7895 true
@deusimperator
@deusimperator 5 жыл бұрын
she cooks chicken in the microwave!!!! rubber chicken
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 4 жыл бұрын
Defrosting in microwave.
@Imnotcreativeluvv
@Imnotcreativeluvv 4 жыл бұрын
looks like a turkey no?
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
I thought it was a pigs 🐖 head.
@ewaurbanska2144
@ewaurbanska2144 2 жыл бұрын
He confessed his sins before death before parish catholic priest...
@Randomname8383
@Randomname8383 2 жыл бұрын
This is so insane and hilarious. The fact I know about Pope Michael, the resistance, Thuc lineage, etc. is the reason I’ll never have a gf
@krimbii
@krimbii 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@xp_studios7804
@xp_studios7804 2 жыл бұрын
LOL I feel ya on that, most people will slowly walk away when you start ranting about how fascinating it is that South Vietnam’s president’s brother was a sede bishop
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 2 жыл бұрын
Bp.Bawden had Utrecht Old Catholic Duarte-Costa and Greek Orthodox lines of succession. He was not a Thuc line Bishop.
@brianrichardcohn2159
@brianrichardcohn2159 Жыл бұрын
I find kind of pathatic. That poor "seminarian"...i wonder what happend to him?
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
@@brianrichardcohn2159 Maybe an independent professional Wrastler.
@RTSacredProductions
@RTSacredProductions 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I read your other comment and I too would be interested in learning that if it ever was discovered.
@brianotoole8666
@brianotoole8666 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any effort underway for another conclave? It's understood that his mother is still alive and I do think he still had a few loosely connected followers beyond the date of documentary. There seems to be a growing interest in him on reddit and in traditionalist circles and some people are trying to track down the seminarians who were connected with him.
@mountainstream8351
@mountainstream8351 Жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for his church to choose a successor. I haven't heard anything.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 Жыл бұрын
As a student of human delusion, I find you people utterly fascinating.
@southronpapist
@southronpapist 11 ай бұрын
They elected one a few days ago. Some bishop in the Philippines, who has taken the name "Michael II".
@agni2003
@agni2003 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder what happened to the young "seminarian"....
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+agni2003 I rec'd a message from a friend of mine which read " Phillip is down South working on poles as a linesman". I got this info. 4 months ago but it wasn't mentioned how long ago Philip (the semanarian) left.
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+One Day Eternity Will Come Thanks for the update friend. Where's "papa" getting all the money from to do that? Is it just another one of his dreams? *50 Monks? WOW!!*
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
***** I'm really happy for Philip, that he's finally seen the light.
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
***** "I believe Pope needs an exorcism". I agree with you 100%.
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+One Day Eternity Will Come Why do you post and then delete after a day or so. It's making you look bad and untrustworthy. Surely you can't be afraid of David Bawden aka Pope Michael. He doesn't know who you are. If you don't want to be shown in the comments, them PM me.
@andrewchiti4924
@andrewchiti4924 4 жыл бұрын
If he truly wants to be a Priest, he should join the SSPV in Round Top New York.
@Oldman808
@Oldman808 Жыл бұрын
What happened to seminarian Phil?
@ianmarcRoxU
@ianmarcRoxU 2 ай бұрын
maybe he's the new pope (?)
@user-ls8eq1dd7x
@user-ls8eq1dd7x 4 ай бұрын
Lol the "pope" lives with his mom, and his clergy come from living with their parents!😂
@timothywilliams1359
@timothywilliams1359 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have pizza and beer with "Pope" Michael. I think he's a screwball, but he appears quite affable. He's certainly not any crazier than Pope Francis, that's for sure! And he seems like a much nicer person.
@tylerhibler5267
@tylerhibler5267 4 жыл бұрын
he has a habit of accepting friend requests on facebook. heard he's a nice guy. hoping he accepts mine
@iburl
@iburl 3 жыл бұрын
What's your beef with the coolest pope of all time, Francis?
@gch8810
@gch8810 2 жыл бұрын
@@iburl He is a modernist, liberal, who at the very least espouses heresies privately.
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
Pope Francis is unlikely crazy. Seems like he knows what he is doing, and if that happens to be bad, then he is probably morally responsible for it. Father David AKA Pope Michael was probably a little crazy and obviously not competent to be a Pope even if validly elected in Vatican City.
@avapingbaby
@avapingbaby 3 жыл бұрын
Wow... what a story. It's fascinating to see someone this delusional being so earnest at the same time, especially in the context of a rigid, dogmatic tradition like Catholicism. A lot of love and patience went into making this strange documentary and it really shows! Thank you for making this available to everyone.
@SteveAllan2015
@SteveAllan2015 9 жыл бұрын
Pope Michael is the one true Pope God told me while i was smoking the divine sacrament marijuana
@opmike343
@opmike343 8 жыл бұрын
+Steve Allan LOL
@QuesqueNosqueLesque
@QuesqueNosqueLesque 8 жыл бұрын
hahahahahahaha
@buntalatv5276
@buntalatv5276 6 жыл бұрын
absurd but funny... a pot revelation of one true poop
@skunkworks226
@skunkworks226 10 жыл бұрын
How very sad. Saints John Paul II and John XXIII pray for us (and them)
@Massachusetts3005
@Massachusetts3005 10 ай бұрын
They burn in hell as they were public heretics, but you do you.
@coverstone3762
@coverstone3762 3 жыл бұрын
Cici's is the way to salvation.
@urbanviii5103
@urbanviii5103 4 жыл бұрын
@5:30, the Pope and mom watch Jeopardy. I wonder if Pope Francis watches Jeopardy! LOL.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 4 жыл бұрын
"Who is: the Pope"?
@Dragonflail
@Dragonflail 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Overbite Pope. How many languages do you speak?
@salvatoreshiggerino6810
@salvatoreshiggerino6810 9 жыл бұрын
He looks creepy as fuck in those SSPX seminary pictures
@salvatoreshiggerino6810
@salvatoreshiggerino6810 9 жыл бұрын
***** Yes, so I've been told. I'm curious, how do you fit into this Pope Michael business?
@salvatoreshiggerino6810
@salvatoreshiggerino6810 9 жыл бұрын
***** So what exactly is it that you prophesize?
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+Salvatore Shiggerino Are you David Bawden's former secretary? Your name sounds familiar.
@salvatoreshiggerino6810
@salvatoreshiggerino6810 8 жыл бұрын
ajosephcirene I've never met him. What does he need a secretary for?
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+Salvatore Shiggerino Phil Friedl, his so called "seminerian" is now the papal secretary to this self deluded nut job
@henrymalinowski5125
@henrymalinowski5125 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Mommy said it's my turn to play pope.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 2 жыл бұрын
OK here you go. Let me get out my Cthulhu costume...
@MadMax31577
@MadMax31577 2 жыл бұрын
After watching this video for about 12 seconds I thought: "He probably lives with his mother."
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
David touches kids and his mom would drug the kids for him.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 4 жыл бұрын
16:13 It may shock some as somewhat effeminate of me, but like the Holiness' mother, I too do embroidery (usually adding a url to some garment of mine, intended to be clearly visible, and that url often to my creationist blog), so I know what she is talking about. Back sides really look so much worse than front sides. _VERY_ true.
@keridwenx6457
@keridwenx6457 3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOOO NOT THE BANJO INTRO
@ClassicalGuyx
@ClassicalGuyx 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I need to call Pope Francis
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 2 жыл бұрын
Let him know someone is gunning for him. Yeh...
@Requiescat_in_pace
@Requiescat_in_pace Жыл бұрын
This Priest might have made a better Pope than Francis. He doesn't seem like an intellectual, but how much damage could be really intentionally cause? Not as much as Pope Francis has.
@brg1213
@brg1213 2 жыл бұрын
He kinda looks like Ben Shapiro
@blazertracer1
@blazertracer1 8 ай бұрын
Well david was a pedo
@coverstone3762
@coverstone3762 3 жыл бұрын
For those who think there is something wrong with Michael, I tend to differ. He seems perfectly reasonable in his assertions that the Catholic Church went off the rails with Vatican II. Even the priest at the class discussion, says "Im not going to defend the nonsense of Vatican II", but yet hes still operating as if its totally legit. Michael and especially his Mom are sincere, extremely nice people who have a strong belief that is actually not out of the mainstream, many Catholics have the same issues, they just did something about it. Were Michael a more charismatic person, he might actually have created a movement and a new Catholic Church in the USA. I mean if people give Kenneth Copeland can get people to donate thousands so he can buy a new jet, its not out of the realm of possibility a more energetic Pope Michael could bring about his new church.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 2 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous. I was born in 1961, and most catholics alive today were born after that and have no memory of Latin liturgy. Since the 15th century, what the pope says goes, so if whoever sits on the papal throne says something is Catholic, it is Catholic. I find the whole belief system to be a total mess and utterly stupid.
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 2 жыл бұрын
@@singvogel7895 Good point, though there are hundreds of thousands of people in groups that claim to be catholic yet reject the Pope since V2, SSPX, SSPX MC, SSPV, CMRI, and various independent sede vancante groups. Bawden is no different from them other than he took the logic ending of seeking an election. Understand I am not saying he is right, just that there is little difference between him and the above mentioned groups.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 2 жыл бұрын
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 Those groups you mention are as mainstream as the Communist Party. And I agree, he is part and parcel with them (a little fringier than, say, SSPX, and way less scary than Opus Dei).
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295
@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 2 жыл бұрын
@___marianguard___ ___ Thank you for the reply I understand now. However, what is the difference between SSPX and SSPX MC? I know very little of the latter.
@johncronin9540
@johncronin9540 2 жыл бұрын
I would correct you on one point. The priest at the class discussion actually said, “I’m not going to defend the nonsense that happened AFTER Vatican II…”. He didn’t describe the Council itself as being “nonsense”. It’s a very different sentence than the one you quoted, and is somewhat vague, as it doesn’t clarify whether he was talking about Pope Paul’s actions in implementing the Conciliar reforms, or some of the various innovations or alterations that happened in the wake of the Council. His statement could be interpreted in many different ways. I’m not as critical of Vatican II as many discussing this are; indeed, an argument could be made that they didn’t go far enough, but I’m not going to argue that here. I would only say that for those who may be distressed about the Novus Ordo liturgy, there ARE other rites in the Catholic Church, such as those Eastern rites still in communion with Rome, but who have liturgies in other languages, such as Greek, or even, with the Maronites, Syriac (very similar to Aramaic- “Syria” being another name for “Aram”). Indeed, the Maronite liturgy was written by St. John Chrysostom, dating back long before any existing Latin liturgy, as Chrysostom lived in about the late 4th and early 5th Century CE. It’s certainly far older than the old Tridentine liturgy. The reason the Latin rite exists is because, at the time of the founding of the Church in the Western Roman Empire, Latin was the everyday language in the West, while Greek was the language most common in the East. But nobody speaks Latin anymore, as an everyday language, unless you want to use the modern languages into which Latin evolved: Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian. So there is really no need for Latin, other than for scholars, and the reforms of Vatican II had as one of their goals making the understanding of the liturgy being more understandable to the people, by celebrating it in the vernacular. I highly doubt Jesus knew more than a few words of Latin, as his everyday language was Aramaic. He would have known Hebrew, as that was the language of his scriptures (the Old Testament), and he likely would have known Greek, as that was the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire, and it’s the language that Roman officials, like Pilate, would have used in their official capacity in Palestine.
@lincolncity9
@lincolncity9 8 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to know if Phil is still in 'the Vatican' and if others have joined.
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+lincolncity9 Last I heard Phil moved to another state a couple of years ago and if I remember correctly, is working as a linesman. Not sure if he's still connected with the "Vatican" though.
@lincolncity9
@lincolncity9 8 жыл бұрын
+ajosephcirene Many thanks. Is linesman an American term? (I'm English) Hope Phil is doing ok and I wonder if he is back in the church after his association with Mr Bowden.
@ajosephcirene
@ajosephcirene 8 жыл бұрын
+lincolncity9 "Lineman (technician), one who installs and maintains electrical power, telephone, or telegraph lines"". If I am to believe my source, Phil Friedl is still connected to Bawden but the strength of that connection is unclear to me. There's a video somewhere on PM's channel where Bawden "ordains" Philip to preacher(?) status, renaming Phillip as "Brother Raphael". My source of information about Philip, Bawden, etc. came from a young wannabe seminarian of Bawden's who knew them fairly well. I haven't heard from him for a while now. I too hope Phil is doing well.
@lincolncity9
@lincolncity9 8 жыл бұрын
+ajosephcirene Many thanks. I've been interested in this since I first heard about 'PM' a couple of years ago. I seem to remember watching a short film where another 'seminarian' was in the group but can't find that film now. I live in Oxford UK btw.
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