Poppy Playtime: Chapter 3 - Part 3 (ENDING)

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[@theonewhoknocks1822]

I just realized that miss delight died by breaking her own rule: running through the hallway.

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

Wow 😂

[@Therealralsei]

This is why you don't run in the hallways kids

[@astrogalx]

and didn’t have a hall pass

[@ottotroelsgaardmikkelsen9554]

*No running in the halls* -Principal of the thing 2018

[@rosegoldquasar]

...who?

[@marshmellowguy586]

Mark has an uncanny ability to completely miss every scary event in every scary game he plays

[@NONO___1]

And to later be angry at the games

[@TeamAxolotlz]

And to accidentally get the game broken

[@L.C.T.]

Last episode he missed when CatNap was looking at him through the door in Home, Sweet Home. That kinda grinded my gears a little bit.

[@StandupWind709]

Why so true

[@AhmadTayib9]

also in every scary ways he could.

[@addisonwardein7808]

Oh my god at 58:58 when it says cover your body with blankets and pillows, it clicked that thats why there were just things covered in the blankets earlier on and that is SO disturbing

[@nathanieldonigan3659]

Oh wow that's dark

[@compassrose1466]

OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT I haven’t seen many people mention this that’s genuinely really sad thinking about it 😭

[@dippledopple]

Where are the things covered with blankets and pillows

[@nathanieldonigan3659]

@@dippledopple in the first episode mostly

[@Noaccountants-un1rx]

What does it mean?

[@mannofdober873]

Most people beat Catnap by electrocuting him. Markiplier apparently uses the flare gun to call in an A10 Warthog to beat Catnap.

[@hbb2662]

real

[@fatimapavon7787]

💚💚💚

[@ryan6779]

Lore accurate

[@hearmth6618]

1:35:07 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Me-wi6ym]

As a game development hobbyist, I gotta say, Mark is the ultimate edge case finder. If you ever wanna make a robust game, during testing just think, "What could Mark do here?"

[@superduperbooper3987]

It’s because he has played horror games for so long that he knows the tropes and he is good with connecting how puzzles, atmosphere and lore should connect. For all the times he calls himself dumb, he is actually extremely smart.

[@BubblesZap]

​@@superduperbooper3987 Mark has a very paticular set of skills Its just that those skills are navigating horror games and LENSES

[@SatoruGojoOfficial]

REAL

[@lezandstuff]

He is the ultimate gamer

[@xxdagrimreaperxx5803]

Or letsgameitout

[@NealBill984]

“I DON’T INTEND TO DO THESE THINGS THEY JUST HAPPEN” all of markiplier in one line

[@RyanSoltani]

Encapsulates his whole channel

[@CorbanHoch-bb1xn]

Time stamp?

[@chaoscreature]

Markiplier: plays one game that requires singing. The timeline: you’re gonna make a musical in space now.

[@FranciumBoron]

Every time he accidentally breaks a game, I'm automatically reminded of the short speech he made in a playthrough of Slender: The Arrival. "Y-you know.. there comes a time.. in a man's life.. when he reaches a breaking point. A breaking point at which... This curse that I have, this burden that I bear.. where I have this unescapable ability to break games and get the *_LAST_* end.. sucking on the _LAST_ teat of the game developer, and I'm just... I can't take it anymore! I-I want this curse to be lifted! I am the game-breaker! But that's-- I HATE MY LIFE! I hate my life..."

[@hearmth6618]

1:07:10 Oh, there's the key... 🔑 Thanks! 👋 Thanks, weirdly wet vent! 🕳🌧

[@theotherone7628]

The fact that a toy company was able to open up an orphanage underground and no one found that weird or suspicious is insane.

[@JiraiyasWife]

A bit too familiar of today's human trafficking cult rings.

[@matthewlang737]

@@JiraiyasWife big sad

[@nathanielgarza9198]

Who funded them, the DHS

[@00WhiteBlade]

Honestly if Toys'R'Us had opened daycare centers in the 80s no one would've batted an eye. If they had opened up orphanages people would've called them charitable. Finally a big corporation is giving back to the community! If they put those orphanage underground.... yeaaa that's just horror game logic.

[@narrmuc8848]

1:40:22 i rlly love the voice acting from poppy here, you can feel/hear her actively going back to that moment in her head, it actually sounds like shes recalling a memory not just reciting words. The VA that voiced her is honestly rlly talented

[@compassrose1466]

For sure!! She’s improved som much since chapter 1 and 2!! I feel like in Chapter 2 her voice acting is like 50/50 but in this chapter the horror of not being able to save anyone due to being trapped and also just the sadness in her voice through the chapter of having to return and see what it looked like after the hour of joy is so good

[@joaquimpower477]

Fun fact: her VA is Nola Klop, who also voiced V in Murder Drones, the microgame announcer in the Dutch version of Warioware Get It Together/Move It, Mandy in Brawl Stars AND another person in Poppy Playtime (Stella Grayber I believe).

[@rafanavega]

For sure she deserves the praise, and we should also think of the director, I'm sure the great acting had pointers from the director.

[@violaolah7610]

Mark managed to breaking the game 40 seconds in, that’s got to be a new record

[@RyanSoltani]

Hes trying to get the new speedrun record

[@norhayatihjahmad5551]

Dawg Matpat broke the game in like, the first 20 seconds of the game☠️ (Part 1)

[@dull_demon4717]

@@Vuuduu spam

[@-Mouse-]

You are a bot, ​@@Vuuduu

[@TheOfficialTab]

Idk dude. In part 2, he started the game and instantly merged into the floor in the compactor. That was pretty fast.

[@gab4099]

Mark forgetting about the flare gun and just getting up on objects while he looked down at the smiling critter like it was a bug was the funniest fucking thing. It looking up at him at the same time just made it better lmao

[@carlitosortiz6621]

It looked at him like “you’ve got to be fucking with me.”

[@lezandstuff]

Man got on a chair too

[@rus6685]

And then asking why they made the area so dark and can’t see, refusing to use the FLARE

[@TransBanans]

Hi, Kieran

[@Nightshade1323]

I played that part over and over, its just so fucking hilarious lmao

[@enr1c039]

1:26:47 the tape you listened to is actually very insightful. It shows that the prototype can mimmic voices. Now the character Ollie, who's been guiding you, sounds like a little kid. Which is strange since all kids were killed at playcare. Ollie might not be who he wants you to believe he is.

[@FranciumBoron]

Oh, great! *_ANOTHER GREGORY IMPERSONATOR!_*

[@sukunacompany4277]

I find this chapter so similar to fnaf: security breach it is sooo similar , like they dont even try to hide it 😢

[@LT_Silver]

The kids aren't dead. If you remember Miss Delights tape she asked Catnap about where they were. Then asks if they were in the same location as the adults, he answers no. She then asks if the children are fine, which he answers yes. She then ask if she can see them, he answers no. She then talks about he fact that he probably knew she would "kill" them all. This hints towards that the children are alive. They would most likely have grown up by now, but they are likely to be alive.

[@trees808]

1:21:33 Mark, dude, there was a thunk of the battery coming out of the tube from Ollie after you reached 100% gas production, but you were making noises so you didn't hear it!

[@matchstyx4866]

I'm losing it at that, it could not have been more clear hahahaha

[@ShiroFuun]

It sounded like a footstep, so i could understand why he would miss it

[@Golden_Darkness]

Yeah, and in fairness the voice line from Ollie was telling him to take a battery to the gas production zone too.

[@FaithJman69]

I've seen so many people play chapter 3, but Mark continues to be the only person capable of breaking and finding glitches in the game. It's honestly impressive.

[@Tytoalba777]

Oh, you should watch Backseat Streams and AstralSpiff. The game works so long as you're doing what the devs intend. But if you grab a barrel and stand on it, magic happens

[@Komanderrratlos]

backseat streams was also capable

[@Starteez1024]

watched a girl on twitch last night named atoviah play and there were so many glitches she came across lol and that last fight w catnip w the jarring buzzing sound or whatever that was, she heard too. it’s like the game almost can’t handle the constant retries and starts glitching sound wise

[@freakinidiot2796]

And probably Carson, didn't watch his gameplay yet but he always finds some game breaking bug

[@meepdom]

Its quite the contrast compared to when Sean played it 😂

[@xXESproductionsXx]

Boss: why were you late to work? Me: I couldnt solve all of your DAMN PUZZLES

[@ghoullovinbutch]

That's the interview. Just getting through all the stupid puzzles.

[@renstar4788]

If you can make it to work, you got the job

[@elishaschoonover8914]

That's really funny.

[@DeltaSilver88]

The basic plot of Professor Layton... apparently everybody in those games does _everything_ through puzzles. Cooking? Reminded of a puzzle. Mail got messed up? Sort it through a puzzle. Plumbing broke. Puzzle.

[@LucazioJ]

@@DeltaSilver88puzzling.

[@benjaminshort4169]

1:44:00 I think part of the issue is that the game was telling and not showing with respect to CatNap who is presumably the main villain in this title. Sure you'd have a couple of sequences where Catnap is lurking in the background, but he never really actually interacted with the player until the very end. Perhaps you could have a sequence where Catnap is chasing you in the middle of the game where it is revealed by chance or by quick thinking by the player that Catnap hates steam. Then in the final bossfight you'd have a very natural inkling about what to do. In fact, I thought the section with the small toys chasing you was an introduction to a boss fight mechanic using this same reasoning, especially when DogDay became the nightmare version. I was certain that finger gun was going to be used heavily in the final fight. It was, but in a vastly different way than was presented previously in game. Storywise, Catnap always felt like a distant force. Then when he threatened you to leave or die, the natural response of the player is "okay bye". He shouldve said something like "I wont let you leave here alive." to make the final confrontation make sense. Most people are conflict averse, and when faced with an army of killer toys and a big demonic cat, most people, even trying to save the world, would flee if given the choice. You have to get all parties motivations straight including the players. If the player needs to fight or die, the confrontation makes sense. Here it really didn't.

[@justsomeguywhoneverdies9210]

they wanted to make catnap a little like a real cat, playing with his prey before killing it. But they didn't do a good job at the "playing" part, it's like he pointlessly wanders around us. in the last room with the red smoke in Home Sweet Home, it was CatNap spreading the smoke through a vent to block our path, then he went away as we entered the vent, but 99% of players would miss that part

[@unclekoopus2784]

It's been said that CatNap only comes after you when you go through with the final steps to open the hatch in the Gas Production Zone. Through that hatch is the way to get down to the Prototype, which we understand as something that CatNap does not want us to do. Or we would understand it if the game communicated more clearly that that was what we were doing all along. The game does make it clear that CatNap worships the Prototype, and we can kind of intuit that we're here to kill the prototype, Poppy says as much midway through the chapter, but we aren't given a super clear idea of what we're doing and how it ties into this goal. If we understood that motivation clearly, then the final encounter would feel more like a trial that we want to undertake. We'd understand that CatNap is an obstacle to our goal and why he is attacking us at that junction. Whether we're motivated to kill the prototype yet or not, whether DogDay's plea impressed upon you that we need to do something, we would understand this final fight is something that must happen in order to progress the story and get where we're going. It wouldn't take very much at all to make this happen either, just a line from Ollie or Poppy stating that through that hatch in the Gas Production Zone is the way to the Prototype, not vaguely stated by Ollie that "That's how we get to him", but straight up declaring "The prototype is down there, we need the power back on so we can storm his sanctuary and take our revenge. CatNap doesn't want us to get down there, so he'll try to stop you at all costs." We'll understand that this is Poppy's motivation, and if we're swayed by the Hour of Joy tape, then we'll be all on board by the end.

[@d.v.3314]

This is an excellent critique!

[@jaymeslanske1234]

So, like Vanny in Security Breach and Ink Bendy in most of Bendy and the Ink Machine?

[@benjaminshort4169]

@@jaymeslanske1234 don't know, didn't play or watch those games. I'm not saying this game was bad. Poppy Playtime is probably one of the best indie titles right now, just saying that CatNap was clunky here and couldve used a little bit stronger storytelling.

[@ZeldaMaster64]

I have to say. The VHS Tape Poppy gives you, that shows what happened during the "Hour of Joy", was really creepy. It may have not been live-action (like Jack's interview tape), but it really sold the horror at the moment. One second it's normal, the next all of the big bads are attacking everyone in sight, whether it be eating them, or simply dropping them to their death. And even the shots showing how the bodies are just lying there really add to the horror.

[@spookiertown]

the happy music is supr unsettling in that part

[@breebiebreeb]

Yeah, that part really got me. It was super unsettling, and it really sold the horror factor. I hope to see more stuff like that in chapter 4.

[@LT_Silver]

I think the security cameras just weren't changed, ever since they were put there. Probably because they didn't see it as necessary, as no one really broke in.

[@arcticsekai2907]

I actually love that everyone that plays this calls Ollie "Gregory" - I had to look it up and it IS a different voice artist, but they 100% sound the same!

[@wonderlandzer0]

I actually cannot believe those are different voice actors! That's crazy 😂

[@LightCrib2]

It sounds like a parody of how Gregory speaks lol

[@ShadowSorcerer]

nah gregory is a little bit deeper that ollie but yes they are very close voices

[@magacofi]

I never thought it was really about the voices sounding the same (they don't to me, at least) it's just that everyone can't help but think of him instantly from the déjà vu alone XD

[@mattcraft8577]

​@@magacofi: same, I just thought it was becuase a young boy talking on a phone about a haunted and decayed facility gave me Gregory vibes too.

[@somedaysoon9551]

No but Mark has a point. If I were working at Playtime Co., I'd quit the first time I had to use the bathroom. Why are there no stairs or elevators? I wouldn't even need to see anything weird. If asked someone how to get to the bathroom and they looked me in my face and said, "Tarzan your way into the air ducts and when you get to the roof, you use your purple glove to-", I'd have to quit✌🏾🚪🚶🏾‍♀️🚶🏾‍♀️🚶🏾‍♀️

[@xander6153]

He doesn’t tho, i hear u but its not so much a valid complaint, its a puzzle horror game, its not gonna be hyper realistic, there’s literally a talking doll. I could understand if u said “hey, these puzzles are too hard” or “the puzzles lack sustenance” but u purely saying “these puzzles aren’t realistic” isn’t valid

[@mattcubed9658]

​@@xander6153No, he does. The game doesn't have to be super realistic but it does have to be believable to an extent to pull you into the world. If all rules are thrown out the window then there's no suspension of disbelief, there's no atmosphere. That's horror game 101. The puzzles could've been implemented into the world better, and like many things in this chapter, they fail at that.

[@The_DelicateDr]

@@mattcubed9658i like to think playcare sucks so much and they put so little thought into how effective it is that they made the path to bathrooms „fun“

[@xander6153]

@@mattcubed9658 the puzzles aren’t out of this world, I hear u when u say it has to be grounded in reality to some extent, but the puzzles aren’t ground breaking, they fit the atmosphere of the game really well, the only thing that it’d be is inconvenient if you were “really there” compared to games like fnaf security breach dlc, where u get a mask which allows u to bend the fabric of space and phase through objects. But fnaf is still grounded in reality right?

[@mattcubed9658]

@@xander6153 I don't think you have a clue what grounded means. They are very much out of place and so unrealistic they pull you out of the game and its atmosphere. Why would a facility need this many tools and puzzles just to go to another room, and why would they require these tools to access dangerous areas rather than making stairs/ladders. It's fine to sacrifice some believability for gameplay, but this goes to an extent beyond that. It's frustrating and tedious for the sake of it. Also despite being a puzzle horror, it's way more puzzle than horror and that kills alot of the atmosphere as well. Very much padding for time.

[@lazylazier479]

I feel like the final fight sort of feels weak cuz the game hypes CatNap so much only for that final battle to be like that. We hear hes a hunter, he likes to toy with his prey but nothing like that really happens. the mommy long legs chase was more tense in comparison imo. Maybe if they had spent some time allowing the player to actually witness catnap in the game would have helped? idk maybe a chase scene, maybe something with the smoke to show it can stop him, something to show how the flare can help you tell whats real or not BEFORE the final fight. Still, its a fun game on its own and marks always great to watch, thanks for playing it!

[@beariion]

I can agree with this. I loved Chapter 3 but it did have a lot of downtime. I think they may have made the map too big with everything they wanted to do so it wasn't as interesting.

[@SmeltingSmores]

totally agree! I love the story they presented but they didn't introduce a lot of the new mechanics very clearly, especially for the final fight. I've seen multiple creators get confused and after dying 5 times, it really kills the mood.

[@leonzspotg]

that final fight felt like a weird fnaf knockoff

[@SolarEclipse-po7iu]

Mark is the only person I've seen make use of the flares in the final battle because the text goes by so fast and is so small that nobody else ever notices. There definitely should have been a different scene that highlighted that, as well as the steam.

[@chrissyd6562]

For some reason, the way Poppy screams out ''Kissy'' at the end gives me chills...the slow realization that her only friend is in trouble (might even been dead because. well.) and the only way to get to her is slowly closing in front of her eyes...

[@Macaroni_Man1]

Seeing mark read the notes in the school when there is a subtitle option is hilarious

[@dr.doctor5099]

Yes however personally I would say if the devs made it possible to read the notes somewhat normaly it would keep the players more immersed in the game, I understand the notes had to be rushed and faded for that same immersion, but some if not most were near impossible to read. Basically forcing many to use the description option which again in my opinion breaks the immersion of reading these notes.

[@vaulto]

@@dr.doctor5099it would have been better if the description was shown next to the note at all times.

[@EveTheRaviolo]

@@dr.doctor5099 it would break the immersion even more to have perfectly readable and clean notes. Alsomany people need the subtitle screen for written collectibles. Under every way of seeing it, it's best to have a subtitle screen for in game collectible notes

[@ZoofyZoof]

Mark has done this a lot.

[@buttermati0ns649]

fr

[@mrcampbell7590]

The fact that he said "I could've easily missed that" to the shrine when he DID miss the scare in the house is quite funny to me

[@personexisting123]

I really feel like the game should force you to look at stuff more, like they made all these cool animations, and then just let the player…not look at them. Like, lock the camera, freeze your position or something.

[@blueberrymuffin6857]

Don't use foreign language as a scare tactic to get subscribers ​@@Vuuduu

[@Markiplierlovesme]

@@Vuuduu kiddo go away ffs

[@ailospjellok7475]

yeah thats what happens when you dont use camera locks as much as other games, then again... it did somewhat okay so far and i gotta say it does something different with the camera lock compared to other games which i quite enjoy, you know the camera slowly becoming less movable as it pans towards the tv in the nurses office?

[@deleted-something]

@@personexisting123freezing the camera is annoying tbh

[@sandra1328]

5:20 I never knew Kissy Missy was waving at us from the top. Other KZbinrs I watched didn't notice it. That's cute! :D

[@CelestialScripts]

Does anyone else think Hoppy's dialogue is two kids trying to escape by leaping over a gap, and the first falls to his death? They could be putting it into a game scenario as not to let themselves get scared by it.

[@felixjohnson3874]

I have no idea what you mean here but this reminded me of the joke that made Batman laugh so your getting credit for it anyway

[@xRollermaniacx]

Well I do now.

[@buttercuup02]

This is actually so sad :(

[@silverflight01]

You know it's been a long time since Chapter 1's release when Mark forgot that he sent Huggy falling down to his demise

[@Ronald98]

It's frustrating as heck, he refuses to even remember the past games, let alone learn the lore of the new one!

[@rhyno39]

​@@Ronald98that's kind of an exaggeration

[@starlashae3408]

Me: I can't wait 8 months, absurd. Also me: waits multiple years 😂

[@Croutonium]

To be honest though, we didn't see him die, just fall into darkness. I would not be surprised if they brought him back later again. So I don't blame Mark for not thinking he actually KILLED Huggy. But that's just my opinion.

[@godofanarchye]

@@Ronald98I mean, his job is to make the content of playing the games. That’s up to other channels to actually get a timeline down.

[@attackon_jay]

I think they should’ve had Ollie tell you that CatNap lives for the hunt closer to the CatNap fight honestly, SOOO many people are missing the point that CatNap lives for the hunt. I’ve heard over and over “he could’ve killed me then and he didn’t, why?” Because Ollie told you guys it was just too long ago for you to remember, he’ll take away your defenses, and then wait for his perfect moment to strike, LIKE A DAMN CAT ! Cats don’t just pounce like everyone thinks, they stalk, they observe, they wait, they freaking play with their food but I feel like Ollie told us all of that way too far in advance for anyone to think of that.

[@EJ_82]

So CatNap is basically like Kraven The Hunter in Spider-Man?

[@skaionex]

Lots of his story complaints were explained but he never pays full attention/forgets lol

[@pokelordY]

But like... He didn't do that, more he waited for the moment that you had the most defences and a way to defeat him before attacking XD

[@user-vh1ht1sm7d]

Unrelated but am I the only one who tought Ollie was DogDay?

[@grr194302727385]

right, the issue is mainly one of presentation and timing

[@jacktheripper4876]

Mark:"idk why the dog guy was being eaten,ILL NEVER KNOW" ... dog day explained why during his whole monolog

[@HalfafanD]

While I do agree with Mark on a lot of points involving the gameplay and not communicating properly to the player on what they’re supposed to do, the story itself is another matter. The issue at hand is that Poppy Playtime relies heavily on their ARG/VHS lore drops that they post on either their website or channel. Or little details scattered about in their spin-off game Project Playtime. Things that hungry fans will devour in no time with discussion posts and theory videos. So when you finally get around to Chapter 3, everything makes sense. And that’s the problem. The game assumes you have all this information and just continues as if no time was lost between chapters. Which is fine mostly for a mascot game series where communities like this are a given. But Mark and most other big KZbinrs I watch who aren’t built to cater to each individual franchise they play for theory vids, they’re often too busy with other projects to really take a look at the lore for context. They don’t have time to view all the info needed for context. So someone being dropped into this chapter blind with very little prior knowledge won’t have a clue of what’s going on. I love how involved Mob is with their fans for this series. Their lore drops are unique and very entertaining, setting the environment of Playtime co.‘s world perfectly. But they need to somehow integrate at least a smidge of the broader strokes into their games so newcomers or casual players don’t get lost. Or they’ll loose interest.

[@docrilas]

Five Nights at Freddy's has exactly the same problem but Mark loves fnaf

[@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro]

@@docrilasnot true at all. In FNAF, you can play the games completely clueless of the existence of deeper lore, and still have a good time. No, you’re not getting the same in depth story experience, but that’s the point. They’re suspenseful still, and the point of the gameplay isn’t to provide lore, only to hint at it. Those who want to dig deeper can, those who don’t want to don’t have to in order to enjoy playing. Poppy playtime is a confusing mess of a game that expects the player has already done his ARG homework, otherwise the setting, names, and characters involved make no sense. No effort is put into the storytelling in the game itself, as all information about gameplay is given in lazy exposition dumps that take way too long.

[@docrilas]

@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro it's true for the firsts Games,but not for Security Breach Ruin,if you haven't read the books you have no idea what Mimic is, you have no idea what the ar world is, you have no idea what Helpi is, Markiplier was very confused when he saw the Mimic and yet he didn't complain that he didn't know what was going on and he liked the dlc but here with Poppy Playtime he doesn't like the fact not knowing what's going on, that's why I find it unfair that fnaf and poppy don't have the same treatment

[@purplefern6010]

Just as a preface, I haven't finished watching this video so I don't have an idea yet of what Mark might or might not know from gameplay, but, do people generally struggle understanding the story in this game? I'm only just watching chaps 2 and 3 and it seems like as long as you find the vhs tapes in the game and look at details in the rooms you pretty much get the idea of what's going on.

[@HalfafanD]

@@purplefern6010 Technically no. Everyone playing seems to be on the same page. It’s just big KZbinrs like Mark and Jackscepticeye along with other casual players who aren’t really delving into to all the extra lore outside the core game that’s leavings them confused.

[@ShadowstalkerTF]

Every time I see "The Hour of Joy" I can't help but remember "The Honk of Joy." Thanks, Mark.

[@unsh1ning._st4r]

wym it’s always been the honk of joy???

[@bloodwar895]

@@unsh1ning._st4rNope, Mark red “the honk of joy” instead the hour of joy on some wall earlier.

[@emilee-kg5gy]

they are joking lol@@bloodwar895

[@MystralThunder]

@@bloodwar895Joke just flew right over ya, huh? :/

[@bloodwar895]

@@MystralThunder In case they didn’t know

[@lennyruu]

poppy and kissy suddenly sinking into the floor was scarier than the entirety of garten of banban

[@jaydenBloom948]

Fr lmaoooo

[@creachurr]

a moment of appreciation for how skilled of an editor lixian is. i like that he's a part of videos and we kinda get to know him with mark talking to nothing and then lixian editing himself in later. he isn't just "the editor" to us, he's lixian :D

[@ghoultooth]

3 people edited this video. Everyone forgets about Nerdfiction and Rad R. Yes, Lixian is great, but I hope you see the hypocrisy in this comment

[@creachurr]

@@ghoultooth i didn't check the description and i havent heard of them before so my apologies, but since youve brought them to my attention now, major props to them as well for bringing us high quality videos!

[@osiris90]

Mark playing the school section having no fear whatsoever just plowing thru it like it's nothing in abt 20+ mins was amazing that was just him flexing his years of experience against scp173 no fear no confusion no stress nothing straight up speeeeedd😂

[@katierincon1412]

It’s honestly so impressive to me how easily Mark got through the school segment with Miss Delight. Obviously the years of practice with SCP really helped and kicked in, but he was so casual about it, literally figured it out in an instant, and only got phased by her actual appearance in the jump scare instead of her mechanic

[@atmoszfera6593]

I dont mean to say Mark is not impressive but that mechanic was pretty easy to figure out

[@virtzrl]

yeah he got through that WAY quicker than anyone I've seen. He's seen that trick countless times before so he new exactly what to do. And its not only SCP, its many many different horror games. The whole weeping angel trick used to be pretty scary, but now its been overused and its kind of just expected. Hence, why people figure out her mechanic so quick.

[@livydozer2783]

Weeping angel mechanic? Somebody please explain.​@virtzrl

[@DWD_Duck]

they are from doctor who. When you don't look at them they move and try to kill you.@@livydozer2783

[@stephenkrahling1634]

I mean it's not really an SCP thing, it's just a very common mechanic seen in a multitude of games

[@MatteBlackEverything]

1:23:47. Catnap looks different because your reality is being warped by the red mist. Your character is hallucinating a more scary version.

[@wasntdeleted]

well I wish it was actually explained trough environmental storytelling

[@MatteBlackEverything]

@wasntdeleted it was. Near the beginning of the mansion/catnap map, they explained that the red mist caused you to see things that weren't real. They could have incorporated more reminders or something, tho. This is why, towards the end of it, the hallways started looping, and you had no hands. Just before that, catnap smashed through the ceiling or wall with red mist all over him before you fell unconscious.

[@5papercuts]

so it's basically fnaf 4 gas

[@NOCKGAMES]

RED MIST????????????? IS THAT A LOBOTOMY CORPORATION REFERENCE??????????????????????),,??????????)?

[@Kahez]

@@wasntdeleted it was so obvious lool

[@edstringer1227]

1:34:20 i don't think i've ever seen any one get whacked by catnap after ultra charging the green hand. Jack zapped catnap, matpat zapped catnap, Mark just watches assuming the game would automatically shoot the green hand at catnap.

[@Toast_Sandwich]

Alternate title: Mark refuses to pay attention to any of CatNap’s lore and then gets confused when he doesn’t understand CatNap’s lore.

[@jerakaigamez]

Honest to God question...what CatNap lore? Like...what lore do they set up. Its like, catnap will kill u and then u kill him and thats it. There's alot of talking about how much of a threat catnap is without actually seeing him

[@basil3779]

@@jerakaigamezcatnaps also a child u have to think abt that, cats like to play with their food, and thats the downfall of catnap is that he got to carried away in the chase

[@basil3779]

Fr, i love mark but he didnt pay attention to the game and ended up being confused, all the questions he had at the end couldve EASILY been answered if he actually payed attention

[@jerakaigamez]

@@basil3779 the thing is people interact with games differently and ignoring a games problems to make it work is something some people won't do. Its the same with fnaf lore. To explain half of it you have to just sort of accept the dumb reason as to why. Oh why did ennard split into molten freddy and scrap baby, 'because in the Scott games website it said they kicked baby out' and I think that sucks. Mark gave this game every opportunity as did I when I played. Chapter 3 is a lack luster game with a decent story but catnap got screwed. I was hooked during the house sequence. Then it fell off. I was waiting for that big moment. And it never happened. People view media how they view media. Some peoples brains can turn off if what they are playing isn't good. This game is just puzzles with occasional lore so I would understand if Mark didn't focus on that because all he was doing was solving puzzles. Plus mans making a movie I dont think poppy playtime lore is in his care

[@RedemptionsPain]

Chapter 3 is flawed, even when paying attention. The "lore" catnap has is barely recognizable, sure, some tapes reveal he's an experiment but thats it. He's barely seen in the game tbh, you just kill him at the end and occasionally get the spook from him showing up. They failed to build up him as an enemy, and he is more seen as a casual side enemy then a boss. Mark approaches games differently as well, the game didn't really captivate him into the story, as he said at the end its more frustrating and that caused him to not want to pay attention to what little the game has to offer. It's repetitive when it comes to the puzzles and frustrating. Just some insight since the game really didn't give much for story or enemies in my opinion, very lackluster.

[@professionaImoron]

I love how he misses everything everyone else finds but he finds something everyone misses And he breaks the games in ways nobody else did, and gets into situations nobody else would

[@wayverleesoulsong]

What did he find that everyone missed?

[@professionaImoron]

@@wayverleesoulsong the elevator bug

[@ziabuenacosa5369]

​@@wayverleesoulsong and him seeing kissymissy waving at us from the top of the elevator! So far as i saw, only mark has been able to see that. And I wouldnt have known it was a thing if it werent for his playthrough.

[@blazingdude11]

I've watched 3 different playthroughs at this point and Mark is the first one I've seen to use the flare gun to distinguish between the hallucinations and the fakes, everyone else just went full tryhard and zapped all of them, yet he didn't think to read the monitor. Though, I also noticed it took him a while to fully read the helpy monitor in HW2.

[@garrettvenn9022]

@@blazingdude11 Insym knew to use the flares in the boss fight. I don't remember Jack's playthrough 100%, but his was the most "cohesive".

[@CasticDigital]

Lixian raising the brightness on marks face as a joke but also to gradually let our eyes process the brightness before jump cutting to the white screen instead of just flash banging us on jump cut is the merits of an amazing editor. Kudos to you. 1:28:40

[@chicorish_]

I thought I was the only one who noticed 😭

[@benturner3750]

Not to disparage Lixian i love his editing, but wasn't the fade to white just because the death screen was overlayed on top of Mark's camera and the death screen fades to white, not Lixian upping the exposure for a bit?

[@IamtheLexx]

Games really need to stop with those shitty white blinding screens istg

[@CasticDigital]

I mean either way, the intended outcome was to avoid the flashbang. So I still commend him for his creative decision.@@benturner3750

[@dreamerofthorns]

I don't see how it's a joke, just looks like an anti-flashbang thing. But yeah! Amazing work

[@mechanicalhoundz]

44:43 "Muppets Baby Jumpscare Hell" is what I will forever call the Playhouse

[@RetroRynn]

29:10 It was inconsistent because they changed the rules part way through development. Originally, she was meant to only move when the lights flickered. I ASSUME that last hall was meant to be dark orignally, so she'd just sprint for you. Playtesters said the old mechanic didnt feel fair tho, so i guess they changed the lighting there too.

[@YaBoyBenji423]

Mark actually managing to sorta read the notes without using the read function is impressive

[@atmoszfera6593]

There was a read function???😮

[@demigodstudios]

@@atmoszfera6593there’s literally a button that said display description under the notes

[@toolzshed]

He does it for the content 😂

[@resultingrun5928]

Probably the years studying to be an engineer.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

@@demigodstudios I was like 90% sure that's what it was for but why can't these games ever just say read note instead of calling it something like description?

[@TeninoFox]

Mark, I think you might benefit from some clarification: - The purpose of this chapter was to outline the Prototype's control over the toys and the distinction between those who followed him (CatNap, Miss Delight, Huggy Wuggy, etc) and those who rebelled (Poppy, Kissy Missy, DogDay, possibly others). This chapter centred entirely around CatNap, who worshipped the Prototype like a god. He wanted to keep this "church" to the Prototype sacred and to kill anyone who opposed it. And because we the player oppose the Prototype, that means us. - In the lore, it's explained that the Prototype was friends with the child who was put into CatNap. The Prototype specifically instructed CatNap to locate and kill the player when we entered Playcare, by any means necessary. This is why we needed to do everything we did - change the direction of the gas to bring CatNap to us, so that we could face him in a final confrontation and kill him. Because he failed in his task, the Prototype itself delivered the final blow and made him part of itself, just as it did with Mommy Longlegs. - Ollie explains to us during the game that CatNap stalks his prey and plays with it before killing it, just as a cat does. This is why he was following us the entire time and not actually killing us when he had the chance earlier. He wanted to make it fun for himself and wanted the chase to last. He sicked Miss Delight onto us, he drove the Smiling Critter toys into DogDay, and he even stole our mask to wear us down. This entire chapter was an almost literal maze for CatNap to stalk us in, wherein we were the mouse. - The reason why CatNap looked skeletal in some parts but normal in others is because of the Red Smoke. The gas is designed to cause hallucinations and nightmares, so seeing CatNap through the gas made him appear scarier than normal. This is also why some of the CatNaps at the end were not real - because we were having to do all of that while under the influence of the Red Smoke. I hope that clears some things up!

[@joshuabruck9719]

Thanks for the clarification but aren’t you just proving the point Mark made at the end of the video? It’s so disconnected, you have to know all the lore and if you don’t the game is just impossible to follow and the story is lost so all you’re left with is the shit gameplay. There’s so many holes in the story too, I don’t remember ever hearing about children being shoved into the robots. Idk if I just missed it or not but it wasn’t clear. If catnap was told to kill the player and worships the prototype like some god, wouldn’t he just do it immediately and not tell the player things like “leave or I’ll kill you.” To me at least the whole story is so vague and it’s told like a garten of banban game. Which is saying a lot

[@sneakretster]

@@joshuabruck9719 it's not disconnected at all? The stuff they typed is almost literally what Ollie, Poppy, and Dogday tell you through dialogue which is unskippable and part of the main path the plot takes you through. The lore in this game is REALLY simply laid out and not hard to follow at all, I feel like you just aren't choosing to engage with it in the way that it's being delivered if you somehow can't understand.

[@Hevensdragon]

@@joshuabruck9719 Not at all, we were told in game almost all of that. And pretty much all in this part. Catnap wasnt told to kill us quick, he was just told kill us. So he hunted his way. We were told he enjoys toying and playing with his prey, so messing with us and giving false hope with lines like the leave or I'll kill you, when he fully intends to kill us ether way are just him messing with us. Everything was told to us, Mark just was cracking jokes and talking over it. The story wasn't the problem, the gameplay was, the puzzle breaks in tense scenes and general pacing was what caused problems.

[@alexanderkalashnikov476]

@@joshuabruck9719 No, actually. It doesn't prove his point because Mark, for all his greatness as a person, still struggles to put contextual clues together that take only the bare minimum of thinking to put together. Piecing the story of Poppy Playtime together is not only made easier in comparison to some games (FNAF), it's actually refreshing to have it spoon fed to us in so many ways. Dialogue, if paid attention too just a little bit, reveals so much more than convoluted, enigmatic mysteries that take a community years to piece together. The game utilizes storytelling in a way that is not "show don't tell", but actively gives us all the information needed to understand the story if one can spare 3 minutes of time listening to any character talk. You don't even need to read the notes in some cases to understand what the hell is going on.

[@TehFr4ntic]

@@sneakretster To be fair, while it's unskippable, it's not a cutscene, that takes away the control from player and forces them to watch/read/listen to the story bits. And with how players are, a lot of people won't just stand still when they have ability to walk, jump, shoot, especially when the voiceline is long and nothing really happens. I feel that Mark would be much more "forced" to listen to Dogday, for example, if that would be a cutscene. I mean, he watched The Hour of Joy VHS and other tapes without interrupting or joking over them, he was focused on their contents.

[@meganfreelove1551]

Mark's glamrock Freddy impression is impeccable

[@glassofwater4765]

Don't lose your cool.

[@meganfreelove1551]

@@glassofwater4765 but... What if I want to Also what

[@OliviaByrne-ju1tl]

1:36:32 “did i wiiinnn 👉👈”

[@45hr52]

"I think I winded 👉🏻👈🏻"

[@Axiian19]

Some clarification: the biggest thing you missed is that unlike FNAF, it is the bodies and organs of the children and former workers that get put into the toys. That's why Elliot had the dead kid's body with some organs and bones missing. So the toys have some parts of their past selves remaining. For example, CatNap's original name was Theo and as a kid, the Prototype saved his life after he stole a grab-pack and accidentally electrocuted himself. His friendship with the prototype turned into the cult-like devotion we see in the game, where CatNap kills everyone who doesn't follow the Prototype, like DogDay. DogDay and the other Smiling Critters were chained up and slowly eaten alive after the toys (which are essentially human remains fused with mechanical parts) ran out of dead bodies to eat. The little ones possess DogDay so they can't be scared off by the flare gun, and he's still alive during that sequence (you can hear him choking on them). As for the Prototype and his followers' motives, they wanted to stop the torture they were going through (children being experimented on and turned into living toys). Although I'm not entirely sure why their plan (kill everyone in the factory, ???, profit) was so. . . bad.

[@MsCatsrcool]

Anger is a crazy emotion

[@millievanillie0]

But in fnaf its bodies in the animatronics too tho

[@ArceussEye]

@@millievanillie0yes but in fnaf it’s ‘souls’ whereas poppy playtime it’s actually real organs and consciousness.

[@Axiian19]

@@MsCatsrcool ?

[@FaulterYT]

For the most part their plan was bad because they killed EVERYONE in the factory, every employee who most of which had no idea what was even going on deep in the factory let alone was actually contributing to their torture and presumably the other children in the factory too Protagonist is the only surviving employee simply because they just didn't come into work that day and it's safe to say either the protagonist didn't know about the toys at all or they did know but had no hand in the experiments

[@colekiesler6721]

I absolutely love how terrifying the DogDay chase was, but at that point Mark was wondering why there was a chase to begin with.

[@nikt12]

it was the same copy paste chase with Huggy from the first game.

[@indecisiveponderer643]

@@nikt12 By that logic every chase scene ever in any game is copied from something else

[@crazygur1y]

Love Mark, usually he makes great criticisms, but I think in this particular chapter he's been too distracted to appreciate it. Dont get me wrong, its not perfect but I havent seen anyone else have so much trouble with rhe Dog Days section lol

[@iidoughnutholes3087]

@@crazygur1yfr lmao. He was very distracted this episode, which is fine but it does kinda take some of the enjoyment away from watching it since he’s missing a lot of integral lore points

[@swilleh_]

it's basically the same chase as in chapter 1/2... they close 1-3 other routes, but there is always 1 route left

[@Hauntedmoth2105]

I think the most unsettling thing in this whole video is the emergency broadcast. It tells everyone to hide if they can't escape, but the narration edges out and all it reads is "Open the doors now. The Hour of Joy has arrived." Those words were most likely what everyone read before the massacre happened. And the fact the prototype glitches the broadcast just to tell them that they're in their last hour of life is truly haunting. (Some of this is speculation and theorizing on my account but the fact stands that it's still creepy asf.)

[@CaptFalcone]

The game has added tons of quality of life updates. In two sections there is a new voice over to tell you what to do. And there are now objectives prompts that come up on the screen for every part.

[@saamjaza1742]

4:37 Markiplier: Your eyes are so realistically horrifying-- Poppy: "Ayo?"

[@HarrisonSolie]

Poppy: 👀 ... *creak* 👁️👄👁️

[@duckie9631]

Markiplier: "I'm sorry 😬" 😂

[@mrman287]

😂😂😂

[@Christmas_Joe]

Poppy: Huh?

[@Dandontlie]

What Is Ayo?

[@josmarrubenbodan3906]

39:00 mark waiting for something to fall from the ceiling only for him to notice the evil shrine right beside him is straight out of a sitcom I swear

[@danny-d0rito]

lol and the fact that he's about the only guy that did a playthrough that DIDN'T try to shoot catnap either

[@mrmccrunchymcdonald2966]

@@danny-d0ritoI think Moistcritikal and Caseoh made the same mistake lmao

[@buttermati0ns649]

fr

[@nathangoedeke694]

Something I find odd about the plot of Poppy Playtime is that it wants you sympathize with the employees of playtime, and that the Prototype is the final boss/monster that you need to destroy. But the only thing we know about these employees (except for Stella) is that they are horrible people who abuse and torture other people, so it's hard to see the Prototype's actions as bad. In fact, it seems that the Prototype just wants to be left alone and doesn't have any intention on bothering people outside of Playtime. So what is the actual reason for the protagonist to come this far? Does he have genuine feelings for his coworkers? It's hard to tell when the protagonist is such a blank slate without any dialogue.

[@NightTheKittenn]

As Poppy says, "They killed everyone. The guilty, the innocent, it didn't matter. All that death didn't fix anything." It's a logical assumption that the grand majority of Playtime Co. Employees had no idea what was happening behind the scenes. Regular factory workers, tour guides, etc. did not know about the bigger bodies initiative. (Why would they? There's no reason for Lieth Pierre to want Factory workers to know the company's doing human experimentation below their feet) They weren't horrible abusive people, they were just doing a job. There's also people that may have happened to be there that day to take a tour of the factory, or adopt a child (as Playcare was a functioning orphanage, we learn this from the tape about Jeremy) that had literally no hand in any of it, even indirectly. These people were massacred along with the scientists that were doing the experiments on the kids. This would be akin to, say, going into Disneyworld and slaughtering all the cast members and park guests you could find because the CEOs of the company are bad people. Poppy is upset that so many innocent people were murdered that day. I doubt seriously she would care as much if only the scientists had been taken out (Because I agree, fuck 'em) but the majority of people in the factory that day had no hand in what happened to them. THAT is why The Prototype's actions are bad.

[@nathangoedeke694]

@@NightTheKittenn Realistically I would assume there are good people in the factory, and even for the bad people murder is still wrong. But I mean from a narrative perspective, we haven't been given reason to care about the employees outside of these assumptions. Originally we were just investigating out of curiosity, then we wanted to escape, and now Poppy says "let me help you kill him" as if that's what we wanted to do the whole time, and as if that's the only option besides negotiation or running away or some other kind of catharsis.

[@spider-woman9482]

@@nathangoedeke694 Also have to remember that the prototype is not the toys/trapped children's friend. he only is when they do what he wants them to do. they're trapped and confused and only follow him because they're hungry and don't want to be tortured. the prototype is not a friend to anyone. the audience needs to consider the trauma that poppy, and others, have experienced. she's seen everything. realistically, I would trust her judgment to kill prototype. why would negotiation be an option when the prototype has murdered not only innocent workers, but coerced these trapped children? if mommy, miss delight, and catnap are ruthless, why would prototype be the opposite of that?

[@abdulrahiimliadi2002]

@@spider-woman9482people also need to consider the torture that the prototype went through as well. Like what makes the prototype’s experience of torture so different from the rest of the toys. When you’re tortured and kept in isolation it does crazy things to the mind. I understand why he did the things he did when probably no one else probably cared for him either. They put him in the position where the only way out was through mass violence and murder. That’s not the prototype’s fault that’s the fault of the scientists.

[@juandios4921]

Alright, regarding Mark's criticism towards the end of the video I'm going to clarify a few points. The critters were killed because they were rebels against the Prototype, they were put in prison and gradually eaten as a result, which is why DogDay is half eaten. The smaller critters, which are followers of Catnap out of fear of him (DogDay mentions it) crawl into DogDay to avoid your flare gun. In regards to why Catnap looks different, it's because of the red mist the player suddenly consumes by the end of the game, which in the start they tell you that it causes heavy hallucinations, thus explaining the appearance of the main antagonist. The story could have used reminders, sure, but it's not half as bad as Mark makes it out to be here, from my perspective he just didn't pay enough attention to the game itself, resulting in such heavy confusion.

[@abyss1O1]

Dude the Hour of Joy as a concept is genuinely SO scary. Like imagine you’re just walking and exploring this cool factory and then all of the sudden the giant toys come to life and start slaughtering people. And you can’t do anything about it because you don’t know anything about these creatures and then suddenly you’re dead. Nobody survived and the outside world never knew anything about the incident. People probably came in the next day and were walking by these creatures like “Wow that’s a cool design” without knowing that they just killed hundreds of people. Mass confusion, screaming, death, and nobody knew anything. Absolutely terrifying.

[@markstadix]

But why didn't anyone in the facility call anyone outside?

[@monsterB0B]

@@markstadixuhhhhhh because the toys have plot armor

[@TheOriginal_Unaleska]

How? They were all attacked with no time to call anyone.@@markstadix

[@TeninoFox]

> "People probably came in the next day and were walking by these creatures like “Wow that’s a cool design” without knowing that they just killed hundreds of people" The Hour of Joy killed *everyone*. Every single person that ever worked there (as far as we know) died that day, except for the player who was absent for whatever reason. There wasn't anyone to come in the next day, because everyone died during the Hour of Joy. This is literally the first time anybody is seeing the aftermath. The player is quite literally the *only person* who has seen the effects, who's lived to see the Bigger Bodies toys now after the fact. No one on the surface knows what happened. Literally no one. This is kind of one of those "tree falling in forest" moments. We're the only one who's come to see the fallen tree, but we didn't see nor hear it fall.

[@joedingo7022]

Oh, that evacuation tape in the office played the message on all the screens when put in. But it wasn't in the machine was it...

[@Rosemouchas26]

44:38 “I hope my last words aren’t oooh bubba” I couldn’t stop laughing 💀

[@buttermati0ns649]

same

[@fatimapavon7787]

💖💖💖

[@alexnonya183]

The fact that exactly that mini model came after him too x,D Just so priceless xP

[@appllefritteryt]

me to

[@fuelsfornerds]

pretty sure most comments get 2.3k likes kid u aint famous sit down

[@numberonesnarkfan]

I think the main problem is that Mark went into chapter 3 with almost no memory of the world. Chapter 3 is so so good compared to 1 and 2 but without any context a lot of the important moments fall flat. Especially because Mark didn't seem to remember the prototype from chapter 2 at all, or any of the human characters. Also, this is just me (an ADHD person) but Mark is acting the same way he usually does when he's not on any ADHD meds so it's possible that his brain literally isn't taking in important information. It seemed like he almost didn't process any of the dialogue at all. I'm kind of sad that he didn't get to experience it as intended. edit: mental shutdown is a thing with ADHD as well where when you've got so much going on (i.e, Iron Lung) it's almost impossible to take in information.

[@BikeGuyFPV]

53:18 Mark's rant about a chase is on point, and flat out hilarious for his explenation 😁

[@Benjas333]

1:24:00 the reason he's different is because you missed the transformation. When you drop the battery, Catnap goes into the room looking as always, BUT when the red smoke fills the room is when he transforms. So, the game wants you to imply that he looks like that because of the smoke.

[@Maximusprime0714]

Yes! I agree because the red smoke cause hallucinations and nightmares(which causes you to see things differently) this was also why you have to shine the flare gun to see if the Catnap was real or a hallucination

[@alexkay6676]

That's what I was assuming.

[@sparko9662]

I think this is what Mark is talking about, i mean it's cool that he transforms but there is no reason why he looks like that beside the theory, and player's death animation still show the pre-transform Catnap. It could be better if they make a forceful cutscene when Catnap transform so players don't miss it like Mark did.

[@EveTheRaviolo]

@@sparko9662 I dont think we need to be force fed everything, subtle things and off camera stuff are ok

[@TheGabeOfGabes]

​@EveTheRaviolo They should of had at least one scene showing Catnap transforming because of the red smoke, the same way Mommy Long Legs has a slight transformation in her deranged state.

[@thewatchdog3803]

Every time I watch Miss Delight go down that hall against the Weeping Angel "can't move while being seen" mechanic... I'm reminded that the only reason Miss Delight was a Weeping Angel type enemy was because her section was apparently too hard to clear that they did the Weeping Angel mechanic as a nerf to make her section easier.

[@TheGabeOfGabes]

From what I understand she used to move every time the lights flickered, also the hour of joy scene showed multiple miss delights, so maybe she was originally a hive mind type of character.

[@thestrangemusician168]

and yet dan and phil made it through without even treating her as a weeping angel type, just sprinting through like mad lads

[@daviskroupa1598]

​@@TheGabeOfGabesin one of the notes it is said that she ate all the other delights

[@gavinhuttpacificrim]

Her power...

[@joshuaded1052]

@@thestrangemusician168in 1 of the notes she said she did not moved when people look at her because she thinks she is playing dead or something like that.

[@u5035]

1:34:33 Lixian's metal edit of mark was such a brilliant and hilarious touch XD. "Then I Wait to do it all over again" XD

[@Kelscheroni]

If I followed his rant at the end well enough, I believe Mark was saying that he couldn't get fully invested into the game due to the lack of it providing enough information to him. He may have a point, like the final boss battle and how they went about explaining what you need to do. While creative, it was pretty vague and full of trial and error in order for you to figure it out, which can get frustrating fast. He also said he didn't fully understand the lore enough to be invested in the overall story. This is one of those games that rewards you for exploring every nook and cranny with more lore. If you don't put in the effort to look around, you can easily miss these details. Granted, I can still see his issue with it, like the whole Miss Delight section. It's very easy to not know why she's there, or why she looks the way she does, or who Barb actually is unless you read all her notes. She may not be the biggest antagonist or obstacle in this chapter, but she still plays a part where it can get confusing fast if you don't fully understand her role in all this. So yes, I can get on board with what his gripe was. Because while some people who play this will do their best to uncover every secret, not everyone will want to play it that way. Mark of course didn't look for all the secrets, and while I understand that exploration can be very rewarding, I don't necessarily think it needs to make or break the story for you. As for the boss battle, I'm not sure how they could've simplified that any more. Plus, angry Mark is best Mark for me, so I'm a little torn there honestly.

[@unclekoopus2784]

I think Mark's complaint about not knowing why CatNap is fighting us just then at the end is valid, I've seen other people not getting the reason either. The problem is that the game doesn't tell you directly enough what it is you're doing everything for in the chapter. You can sort of work it out at the end in the final scene that what you've been doing is diverting the smoke to power the mechanism to lift the hatch in that room in the Gas Production Zone. That is what this whole thing was for, but Mark himself looked at the hatch and was like "is this a teleporter"? "what is this thing?" Just imagine for a second that Ollie was clear in saying, "we need the gas to go left so that we can open the hatch and get to the cause of all of this", and/or Poppy saying clearly "we need the power back on so that we can open the hatch and get to the Prototype, CatNap won't like us doing that so he'll try to stop us at all costs." Bam, immediately we have context, no vague "That's how we get to him". Now we can put the pieces together as to why CatNap attacks us in the Gas Production Zone, we were just about to open the hatch to the Prototype with the intent to kill him. We're told very clearly that CatNap worships the Prototype- and now we understand that we were about to do something he doesn't want. That wasn't communicated clearly enough at all. There's so many things that could be fixed with just a little bit clearer communication, but Mascot Horror must be vague of course. This isn't an arthouse movie, this isn't a case of it being a good thing that the storyteller is "trusting us to put the pieces together". This a horror game for kids, Ollie's tone and his role as a hand-holdy quest-giver is enough evidence of that. I think some of the clunkiness of the game mechanics could be more forgiven if we have a clearly objective from the getgo and a clearer idea of our relationship with the antagonist. We miss the chance to be apprehensive about returning to the Gas Production Zone knowing that it's the place CatNap wants us not to go because we don't understand what we're doing there and why.

[@icyguys]

Mark is definitely the first person I’ve seen complete the Miss Delight fight in essentially one go

[@pixelthetryhard5175]

how do you not complete it in one go

[@moon_0207]

@@pixelthetryhard5175idk ask the people who didn’t.

[@____Carnage____]

Tbf he almost died a couple of times

[@duckyouall3225]

Didn't charlie also did the Ms Delight fight one time? Idk Ive already forgot parts of the stream.

[@TheRNGArchive]

I was watching a streamer try and complete it and he came across alot of bugs. One of them being that delight would move much faster than she should be and she would get stuck and basically softlock him so hes unable to get to the end.

[@rion2499]

*Mark:* I have no weakness- **A series of long rambling conversations/explanations/dialogue where you have to just sit there and listen, over and over again** *Mark and his ADHD Brain:* I have one weakness.

[@jacktheomnithere2127]

you're saying Markiplier has ADHD like Jacksepticeye?

[@st4rdyy]

​@@jacktheomnithere2127 Lol Mark has talked about this like a million times

[@jacktheomnithere2127]

@@st4rdyy i rarely watch his videos nowadays, so i didn't know (need to watch more of them). And i take it it's a "yes"?

[@UltimateADHDUser]

@@jacktheomnithere2127 This guy lmao

[@ravendysnomia7805]

@@jacktheomnithere2127yes, he does.

[@CelestialMoonx]

Poppy screaming over her only friend being presumably killed by the prototype and the ONLY way to her only friend is closing in front of her is incredibly sad and chilling. I really hope Kissy isn’t dead in Ch 4 but it’s really seeming like that

[@ericrobbert1148]

The line “as much as I love muppet baby jump scare hell…” will live in infamy.

[@teslamonky]

Him giving Kissy a high five as she's waving goodbye 😭

[@savageratentertainment]

tbh he's the only one i watched that actually looked up and saw Kissy waving goodbye xD

[@katierincon1412]

Watching Mark be terrified of the miniature versions of the Smiling Critters was genuinely so funny after watching him get through some of the scariest sections of the game with ease

[@daniellandon6811]

I'm reminded of the midgets in Borderlands 1. There's a particular building where you have are limited in space to move around. They also giggle like demons, and it's pitch black.

[@blueridinghood5375]

Agreed, along with him not only running from Bobby Bearhug, but also jumping onto the desk. Like someone seeing a rat/mouse, before realizing he has the flair gun hand. Lol

[@foolishsparky]

Mark: "Remind me, why was I doing this?" Also Mark: -ignores the characters telling him why he's doing this-

[@goldstarquack5251]

how did he manage to ignore every sound cue and horrifically obvious objective the entire playthrough? It is incredibly impressive.

[@foxxygradius7858]

1:47:00 MARK! Please allow me to explain the intricate nature of the final confrontation with Catnap. 1) You want to continue being alive B) He disagrees and wants you to be not alive = Conflict ensues.

[@cookiesyruplover]

I like this. Thank you, I understand now.

[@thedogwithrabbitears]

Thank you, I had a hard time understanding before. Now I have read this I understand perfectly

[@doctordestructo3360]

Ah yes, caveman motivations

[@foxxygradius7858]

It's a pleasure to be of service! Tune in next week when I explain why deer run from wolves!

[@robertwaksberg]

It's mildly infuriating to see how hard Mark was shitting on the game during and at the end of the video. While it definitely could use polish and clearer level design, 75% of the time when Mark was confused or thought something didn't make sense it was A. Him being a dumbass or B. Him not paying attention. One of his examples was asking why DogDay was taken over by the plushies and why he was chained up there and posing it as if that sequence didn't make sense, even though DogDay literally explains both those things in the exact same scene.

[@erichurtado4938]

Lixian was in rare form for this one. And Mark was at his Mark-est, immediately breaking the game, reading the notes in the hardest way possible… fantastic.

[@DanConaty1]

E.

[@ghoultooth]

Lixian is not the only editor on this video.

[@SuperstarGlamrockFreddy]

1:21:48 betrayed? Gregory? Nahh he would never betray y- *flashbacks of Cassie dying* yeah he would betray you

[@SolstaceWinters]

The problem I see with this chapter is piss-poor game design. There's talk in the comments here about sound design and that's definitely part of it, but I just mean overall. What I'm NOT talking about are bugs and glitches, those happen and could be fixed, even if they happen a lot. The first big issue I see is item placement and usage, like the Gas Mask just being on a broken plank of wood, or a key you NEED to progress being hidden in a VERY plain vent (that one stumped everyone I've watched play). Items are seemingly placed weirdly and with no way of knowing that they were meant to be there. Nothing ever seemingly draws your eye to them and everything in this chapter is so amazingly dark that it's hard to see anything at all. And half the time, the Flare Gun fails to light anything up when it connects with stuff (but again, bugs are a different thing). The second issue stems from the first, direction. You never really have it. I mentioned it in another person's comment but the SAME number of folks I've seen struggle with that vent key in the office or finding the Gas Mask also always die at least once to CatNap before the fight with him at the end. They lose their big battery, think they dropped it, look for it, find it, attempt to pick it up, and... die to CatNap... all without realizing he's even there. Even a simple cutscene showing him leaving the door, or a forced gameplay cutscene where your fixed in place and your gaze is fixed (a little like the second nightmare with the Prototype shows up) would be stellar ways to quickly give the player a heads up that something's coming. The aforementioned Flare Gun is meant to be used to scare away the little Critters dolls, but you are NEVER told this EVER. Even if you "just" got the tool, there's nothing to suggest that you should use it, and you've had it for a little while now, swapping to other tools. In fact, you didn't really need it where you got it from. It would have almost made more sense to get it before going into the Playhouse since that's where you TRULY needed it. Furthermore, the Flare Gun, and the entire CatNap fight in general is pretty poorly telegraphed. Everyone, including Mark, seems to NOT pay any attention to the little "BEEPS" provided by anything that attempts to get their attention with them. It just doesn't work. It's too short a sound to accurately draw attention. By the time you register it, it's gone and you aren't sure where it is. And for the CatNap fight, people are looking around the spectacle they find themselves in, after that little hype moment they just had, they aren't expecting to have to walk into a chamber, do a 180-degree turn, then READ THREE SLOW-MOVING TEXT SCRAWLS!!! So they generally miss one or two, not getting the whole picture... which adds to pissing them off about the whole boss fight in general. It COULD have been something honestly cool, but it's done soooo poorly. ... And either make the notes easier to read, or make it more obvious that you can turn on the descriptions, because half the people I watched didn't even know you could turn em on. Maybe renaming it from "Descriptions" to "Swap Read View" would work better. The game really needs an Objectives Tab, and possibly at least a map for which "zone" you are currently in, if not the whole area, though that might defeat the point of it. I could live without a map, honestly, but an Objectives Tab would be nice. Maybe even a Bioshock-style way to relisten to previous audio-logs. Thanks for coming to my post-game rant.

[@crowwithaknife_]

Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I see a lot of people defending this chapter (which is understandable due to mascot-horror franchises typically drawing in very dedicated fanbases), yet none of them seem to acknowledge these poorly built elements! Yes, Mark talked over dialogue a couple times, but that doesn't excuse the other glaring critical errors that disrupt immersion. I mean, just the puzzles alone are a strange and clunky mess when placed in conjunction with horror elements and story.

[@nettowaku1252]

The gameplay design became more obvious afterthought making it obviously Mob Entertainment are too invested with story, lore, art direction, and character design to make it more marketable. The fact how the puzzle placed and designed with how the building condition and how the workers supposedly to transverse or interact is just doesn’t make any sense.

[@shradibop]

catnap changes his appearance near the end because: - you have no mask and the smoke is making you hallucinate - scary big cat

[@nattteo]

man there are some many issues with this though. What the smoke actually does is very inconsistent. in game it kills you, in cutscenes it sends you on a weird drug trip, and then at the end it changes your perception of capnap, but nothing else in the environment is affected? it's just very poorly executed. There are clearly talented people working on this project, especially on the visuals and animations, but whoever is directing the project is doing a terrible job, and the mistakes they are making are compounding and getting worse with every chapter.

[@SamTheWhoStan]

@@nattteobro the only inconsistency with the sleep is the dying part which might actually just be the character falling asleep. And that’s not even a big deal because it’s put in place so you have to put the gas mask on. The red mist isn’t really a problem here.

[@parkersharon7154]

@@nattteo stfu every game does that

[@bbita789]

nono it’s sleeping gas, it can also make u hallucinate somehow lol@@nattteo

[@pettilio]

​@nathanielfischer3690 i don't think it actually kills you, thi. if i remember correctly, the gas sends the victim into that "weird drug trip" that u mentioned + gives u nightmares. for all we know, the player COULD be asleep tho, but realistically who would ever want to create a thousand different cutscenes for each new nightmare/drug trip that you might potentially be having. it's easier to just "kill" you.

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

41:13 Oh you haven’t seen NOTHING. I completely forgot I got a flare gun and I went through this ENTIRE SECTION up to the Dog Days encounter without using the flare gun at all. I only pulled out the flare gun when I got stuck in the Dog Days section and then reality hit me like a TRUCK. I felt like I lost brain cells that day.

[@Herttuanpalatsi]

Damn

[@confusedravioli2556]

Tbf they could have given you it a little closer to when you use it, or put just one of those things where you got it.

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

@@confusedravioli2556My idea is that they could have used it in some kind of invisible tutorial to teach you how to use it effectively, even though it is common sense for most people from what I've seen. Maybe you have to light up a torch or something, or light up a specific spot to read something, and when you do, it lights the area around it revealing a multitude of Smiling Critters hiding in the dark that scamper away from the flare you shot in fear, signaling that they're afraid of the flares and that you'll need it for the upcoming area. But that's just an idea of how the mechanic could have been taught, and tbh, the rest of the game has you just use it as a light source if you can't see.

[@confusedravioli2556]

@@RyderPlatinumWarpstarInvisible tutorials are the best, and Ravenholm from Half Life has my favourite one. You see a zombie cut in half by a sawblade, and the path forward is blocked by sawblades. When you pick one up with the grav gun, a zombie walks into the room. You fire the sawblade at it and bam, not a single word uttered and you just learned a new mechanic, without straight up being told it.

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

@@confusedravioli2556Love it when that kind of stuff happens. I admire the heck out of good game design.

[@jadebrooks5843]

Mark made a really good point when he met dog day. Mark pointed out that there is a set of prison cells right behind the children’s indoor pool and that is a very odd place to put prison cells. Especially if the creatures that are going in the prison cell are the violent toys. There isn’t even a lock on the door, separating the prison from the pool, and on top of that there are windows showing the prison from the pool area. could Pare make it more obvious that they were bad?

[@Cardnal]

I love how Mark has devolved into antagonizing every monster in every game regardless of his ability to fight back. Makes for a fantastic experience I must say.

[@brbdogking7643]

1:24:00 "Why are you different" 1:23:30 *Mark ignoring the noise of door opening, which shows Catnap changing because of the gas, just after he talked about key sounds.*

[@yaboi8er]

Yeah he literally spends this entire playthrough ignoring sound cues and making noises over them while complaining about there being no sound cues.

[@Random_BS2889]

I enjoy Mark playing games but damn can it get annoying sometimes, like so many things were explained right then and there , and people still complain cuz they don't pay attention, but don't say anything about the absolute catastrophy that is FNAF's Lore

[@IERServer]

ADHD people, am I right

[@reeeraptor8]

if you call that a sound cue... you're crazy... Like it just sounds like gas being released

[@ASpecialGuest]

@@reeeraptor8 1. The door opening right beside him is a sound cue. 2. By that point the player knows that the gas causes hallucinations because he went through one.

[@bluefruitsnack]

I think lixian’s new favorite thing is to put a fisheye filter on mark’s mouth whenever he screams for help

[@lanielazer5449]

Nerdfiction and Rad_r also helped edit this one so it very well could be them doing it too. Either way I thought that weird edit pattern was pretty funny 😂

[@eiji862]

Mark’s critique was spot on. From my perspective, Catnap is supposed to be the primary antagonist of the chapter. Yet, he’s hardly in it. He’s built up from other characters as this insane killer who lives for the hunt, yet outside of one moment at the first area in playcare and then that other area towards the end before the bossfight, he’s not even in it. I’d argue he’s treated more like a side character and marketed as the big bad guy of the game. Like there should’ve been at least 1 section in this game prior to the final confrontation where we had to barely escape from Catnap, something that builds up that final confrontation. I’ll give chapter 2 this much, Mommy Long Legs was a present antagonist, she was toying with us from the start and when we broke her rules, she chose to stop playing games and hunt us. She was prevalent in the chapter, whereas Catnap wasn’t. Then again, to not give either of these two chapters too much credit: Fnaf is significantly better. Yeah I know shocker right? My point though is that the threat, the animatronics, they were not just prevalent in the game, they were an active threat that made you feel unsafe whenever you went to check the cameras. They were legitimately terrifying. And the best part about Fnaf 1, it understood what it was trying to be, a horror game. Scott understood for the horror aspect to work, that had to be the focus of the game, the story and lore that was an afterthought. The story shouldn’t be the scariest part, it should add to the horror, the horror should already be there. But with chapter 3, the thing that pains me the most is simple: It had so much potential. The environment looked cool the story sounded interesting and could’ve been great. But the gameplay is annoying, repetitive, and lacks explanation. This isn’t a Dark Souls game where the gameplay mechanics are simple to understand and you figure things out through exploration, this game has little to no tutorials, if Mark had not noticed that flare gun hand before he continued on, he could’ve missed that entirely… and the puzzles like Mark says they don’t make sense. From a sensible stand point there’s no rhyme or reason. The puzzles only exist just to give you something to do between the boss fights, and that’s it. They don’t blend with the world and environment around you, they stand out but for all the wrong reasons. I’m willing to overlook the admittedly ridiculous concept of those arms as it’s honestly unique. But the puzzles in this chapter are just ridiculous. Especially the ones in that house. It’s not some Jigsaw trap it’s supposed to be a house. But with the puzzles you see inside you’d think it was some un-fun overblown escape room. Finally, I’m sick of how cheap some the game looks, it’s not that the whole game looks bad, but the concepts and ideas that the devs clearly had with this chapter were beyond their team’s capabilities. That’s not to say they suck as devs, no far from it. My point is that they’re basically another Steel Wool Studios.

[@Binkus-bunkus]

mark:: i killed huggy?! poppy: yes, yes you did.

[@AllieStop__]

you two little goobers 😭😭

[@Arsen1cpop]

Mark : *Ignores the kid telling you about giving you a battery because he is too busy making noises* Also Mark : "IT DIDNT TELL ME, WHERE WAS THE AUDIO QUE?!'

[@poisonflames]

Exactly dont get me wrong I love watching his videos but mark has so many complaints about the game when he himself has no idea what he needs to do because he is not paying attention or listening and instead has to put on a silly goofy demeanor

[@alejandrasanchez3022]

​@@poisonflamesmy man goes chillin and joking around the whole game but when something is important he obviously wont remember, and im like you werent listening Mark!!😂

[@deihiru]

He didn't see the message because he was making noises, but I still think it's pretty ridiculous of the game to drop the battery almost at the same time Ollie starts speaking. The sound of the battery falling gets drowned by Ollie's voice.

[@beariion]

@@deihiru That's because Ollie is literally telling you to take the battery, so listening to EITHER noise will point you towards the battery... Mark was just in his own world lol

[@deihiru]

@@beariion You can't listen to either sound because Ollie's voice takes all of the attention away from the battery. All they needed to do was make a clear "thud" noise that drew the players attention towards the battery so they can pick it and THEN make Ollie start speaking. It's nonsensical to put the two sounds almost at the same time. Also, he did listen to Ollie, otherwise he wouldn't have gone to the gas production zone.

[@thetruehispanicchipmunk690]

A problem I had, just by watching the gameplay, is that CatNap is meant to be the main antagonist, yet he barely appears.The thing about him stalking you in the shadows is fine, but the most you get to see of him is in a pretty repetitive boss fight that looks more frustrating than creepy. There aren't many moments where you get to appreciate the character's design and creep factor. I feel like the teacher section and critters section, while creepy, just detracted from making CatNap the big bad.

[@TotallynotAddie13]

Mark: “How realistically horrible your eyes are” poppy: “Excuse you”

[@helenknapke1640]

I will also say. It’d been nice if the creators did like a recap between each chapter since they take such a long time between each chapter.

[@pastelteddybear3948]

I agree , though I think it's good they take their time instead of rushing out a sloppy product

[@katrianacall536]

Tbh all games should start doing it. Gamers are gonna go play other games and getting the stories lined up without diving into hours of lore videos sucks for most gamers.

[@kaniamia]

Mark taking three shots to try to save DogDay followed by one to try to put him out of his misery at 50:18 is I think the darkest moment I’ve seen in any Poppy Playtime play through.

[@syabilaazri7834]

To be fair, if they give the player an option where they can choose: should you put the dog down or don't put the dog down?.... we all would have a crisis if that happen...

[@veracaide1373]

I think he was just shooting stuff because he’s mark and he likes shooting stuff 😭 i don’t think he’s trying to save dogday or put him out of him misery

[@furycats262]

This is mark we are talking about right? 😂😂😂

[@hamstimanent107]

I think he was shooting at the one on DogDay's head

[@ludvig3242]

I think that says a lot about the game if that's the hight of it

[@mreeper25]

40:55 he literally got up on a table to get away from it ICANT

[@kayladriscoll8654]

I feel like he didn’t enjoy playing this game like he did when he played the first one. 😭 When he took 30 minutes with a ladder but this one just feels like he just did it because it’s the “thing” right now. You can tell he truly enjoys fnaf, but I just don’t think he enjoys this series. 😢

[@LT_Silver]

I think it's due to the stress from Iron Lung, made even worse with problems with the delivery of his ADHD medication

[@mishtergoose2851]

Lol Mark getting chased up the boxes by tiny catnap has such "cartoon character jumps onto chair screaming as mouse skitters harmlessly across the floor" vibes lol

[@ASquared544]

Mark being super fast and ballsy during the School Chase was super nerve wracking for no needed reason.

[@Liz-be1wq]

It's not just you! I was definitely getting anxiety from the constant shaky camera effect.

[@LyonCub2of4]

Agreed. I had to just let the video play as I looked at comments Lol

[@Torii7]

So true bestie 😔

[@christinajones8869]

There's not much that freaks me out in horror games. But the stuff that happens to the dog is really gross and terrifying

[@singingchristian]

It kills me how he doesn’t look around in the nightmare sequence at 1:17:40 . He misses so much of the surroundings!

[@zandersmith9291]

i like how mark barely gets scared anymore, he’s just like “yep that creepy”

[@realshnx]

Over a decade of playing scary games'll do that to you

[@foxxygradius7858]

22:00 Not hearing her say "Pay attention in class!" the first time because he kept mashing the talk button and wasn't paying attention is peak Markiplier.

[@martinamlakar8112]

48:40 why do these ducks remind me of the ducks from dark deception?

[@kyeanii]

REAL

[@AllStarLivingMultiversalGod777]

FRFR

[@smurfcuumies8538]

Mark just casually laughing to the smiling critters screaming… not realizing what’s actually happening to them :(

[@WYD28]

5:16 missy waving is such a cute detail ive never seen!!! I love that they added it!! I hope she makes it out ok 🥺

[@goodmorningcrystal]

I couldn't listen to the ending 😢

[@EktoAnim]

does he know

[@MFischus]

Oh boy I sure do hope kissy doesnt die horribly!

[@Eviltwin1]

Yeah, that was neat, Marks is the first playthorugh i have seen that has noticed that happening. I guess no one thinks to watch them go up all the way long enough to see it.

[@syabilaazri7834]

I wish a lot of player could hi-five her like when they meet Huggy...

[@KingBee7]

To be fair, the dog did explain why he was chained up. It said that the Prototype does that to any heretics that don't worship it and the tiny critters follow the prototype to avoid the same fate that DogDay got

[@charadreamuur7229]

You mean cat nap? Cat nap is the one who is locking up the heretics, he is the one who worshiped the prototype, he made the effigy, because the prototype saved cat nap when he was human.

[@KingBee7]

@@charadreamuur7229 Ohh yeah, Catnap locked him up not Prototype

[@Dragon_Hashira]

Oli: "Hey, are you alright?" Markiplier: "NNOOOO!!!"

[@innocentACERorTECH]

30:22 BUNNY BUTTERSCOTCH is THAT U????? im hoppy ho- the screen fades i lough at that moment😂😂😂

[@w1ndgeneral226]

1:23:52 "Why are you different?" *he says while inhaling hallucinogen gas.*

[@PiterparkerYT]

It isn't that obvious what the gas does. In the trailer it is said to put you to sleep, when you walk in it, it kills you and in the Home Sweet Home it literally did nothing to you. I get that we were hallucinating there, but it really isn't that easy to realize when you are playing it for the first time.

[@peachxy3730]

@@PiterparkerYTidk it was pretty obviously hallucinogen to me

[@timeissketch2942]

​@@PiterparkerYTSince Chapter 1 you are told a bit about the Red Smoke, but it isn't until Chapter 3 that you are actually given context of what it is, where it comes from, and how it works. When you actually look at every note and tape and clue that you don't miss, you are given the answers to everything. And if you do somehow miss everything, the scenes give it to you each time. In the Hoke Sweet Home sequence, the player walking through the room of red smoke without the gas mask basically immediately made the player pass out, we, as the player, were in their mind, hallucinating, and it isn't until Huggy Wuggy jumpscares us that we are taken out of the hallucination and wake up. The red smoke does not kill the player, the "death" sequences are meant to be a "you passed out" sequence and are now waking up where you left off. I've seen people complain hella hard about the lack of action in this chapter, and I feel like the reason for the constant walking around and puzzles was for people like you. This Chapter has more lore splattered in it than the previous 2 chapters and there's so much to explore. There would be no point and planting clues and stuff in areas where you couldn't take your time to actually find it if you're constantly in a chase sequence or heart pumping sequence. You're able to actually slow down and not only take in the environment given to you, but you are also able to find the numerous tapes and notes given to you so you can figure out the story. Again, you have your right to be confused, but when you are intentionally given leeway to explore and find the answers to your questions and concerns but bypass it or don't pay attention, then it's not on the devs, it's mainly on you, not to sound like an arsehole.

[@fahrenheit2101]

@@timeissketch2942 Yes, there's a lot of good lore here. Amidst mind-grating (in Mark's opinion), completely orthogonal puzzles. They literally make no sense to be there. They're there for the sake of padding, just to be there. They're great puzzles in their own right, but most just don't link in to the plot in any feasible way. That isn't to say you couldn't make some roundabout excuse for them. You always can, in any franchise with any plothole, there's a fix. But too many and you get people like Mark feeling completely disconnected rather than totally immersed. The gameplay doesn't add to the plot, it distracts you from it. The extent to which this is the case definitely varies, but it's undeniable. And the red smoke thing? That, again, is a "fix". It does still come across extremely inconsistent to almost any player, and as a dev, you need to appeal to the average player.

[@Leiliel1]

@@fahrenheit2101 Does your back hurt from all the goalpost moving you're doing?