Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK: Great, but too close in price to the GT4!

[@jamesbindman9290]

As a 718 Cayman owner, some people suggest the 718 isn’t the best Porsche drivers car, and not at the level of a 911. Measure a vintage 911 from the 1980’s or 90’s. A current 718 is virtually the same size! And the perfect size!

[@MW_SE]

As I intend to use the car for pure personal driving pleasure on a semi-daily basis and thus have configured my build (I have a Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK on order, supposed to be delivered next week but now post-poned two months due to the global circuit shortage for the sport plus seats), I think the GTS is a much better option than the GT4. The price difference between the two in my particular build is around USD 12K, and while with the GT4 I would be getting the nicer aero package, better front suspension geometry, a 10 mm lower chassis plus nicer/wider wheels - I wouldn't be able to get: - Metallic black (only solid black) - Full leather seats (only the leather/alcantara mix) - Seat memory (n/a) - Entry & Drive (n/a) - Park Assist in the front (only in the back) - Multifunction steering wheel (n/a) - Internal aluminium door handles (only those "racey" but awful textile straps) In short, my personal take on this question is: If you will be doing regular visits to the track, go with the GT4, but for regular street use (and perhaps the odd track visit), the GTS all the way :-).

[@BillLee3]

Agreed. I'm planning on the Boxster as soon as they release orders for the 2022 model year (better financially for me) and I'll get the GTS over the Spyder for your reasons plus the automatic roof.

[@mdjak3686]

Having owned a few Porsches, including two 911s, and having tracked one 11 times, I completely agree with your choice. If this is an EDC or even close to that, a GTS is the perfect vehicle.

[@golfinguru11]

You’ll lose that 12k easily in depreciation relative to the gt4. The gt cars hold their value insanely well.

[@MrRandomTwat]

@@k.c.e.2963 GTS 4.0 goes 6% under MSRP in Germany? Damn, good for you guys.

[@humorsourceincturner7854]

I'd choose the GTS for two reasons: 1. I could never get an allocation for a GT car; 2. I love the clean lines of the wingless GTS. And I would put lots of miles on it, as I did my 2015 Boxster GT (48K miles). Superb car that I sold to buy a 2015 911 Turbo S. But after a year and a half I'm looking at the mid-engine Porsches again because I miss the manual and the naturally aspirated sound . So your review is timely, and info packed as always. You waste zero amount of my time. Crisp editing. Thank you...The interior of the GTS can be ordered with the beige leather, as I did my '15 GTS. Problem solved.

[@BillLee3]

Now, wait a minute. Many others, including Porsche engineers, have stated that it is the exact same engine and exhaust as the GT4 with very minor software changes and a different redline - i.e. 7800 instead of 8000. Are you telling me that you can seriously notice from the seat of your pants 20HP (~5%) which only comes into play when rev'ed between the GTS's 7800 RPM and the GT4's 8000 RPM? That it actually materially affects the passing? BTW, that 0-60 time of 4.3 seconds is from Porche's site for the MANUAL. If you look closer you'll see they quote the GTS at 3.8 for the PDK which is only off 0.1s and that may be more about marketing than an actual difference. To me, this car is the GT4 with a simpler and slightly less expensive (and more tolerant of the street) front suspension. I guess it also has an additional "comfort" mode to go along with the GT4's Sport and SportPlus modes (not that the GT4 calls them that, but that's the effect). For me, the choice is the Boxster GTS over the Spyder because of the roof and little desire to track the car more than once or twice. Don't know which way I'd go if I didn't want a convertible.

[@zenjitsuman]

Great point, you will be passing people doing 70 mph in a lower gear way lower RPM and never see a difference.

[@johnroskruge2752]

Test drove one of these in yesterday and really liked it. I tried to order a GT4, but was told they are unavailable here in the UK, so GTS it is.

[@keyzer2011]

100% on sunroof. I might be in the minority but I specifically shopped for my E92 M3 with a sunroof and a manual. Just adds so much light and openness to an otherwise dark black leather cabin.

[@duosable]

As a bimmer you supposed to go against the sunroof to have a top notch handling.

[@keyzer2011]

Right? But E92 M3 is basically a 3,600lb V8 sofa, not a sports car.

[@jameswillard1]

@@keyzer2011 exactly

[@duosable]

@@keyzer2011 V8 cars weight's over 1.6 tons are not sports cars in your eyes. It hurts me, my c63&m2, and neighbor's gt350

[@keyzer2011]

@@duosable Haha and all those cars started life as a much more civilian trim level. The E92 started life as a 328i before the M division got their hands on it. At least the Cayman and 911 are designed from the ground up to be sorts cars. P-car dreams 🤞

[@craigb2697]

For a daily: GTS (choose either PDK or manual) For a weekend warrior: GT4 in manual. Simple as that.

[@bradw922]

I totally agree. The Spyder/GT4 is so much more special of a car and if you do not spec out Spyder/GT4 too crazy, you have a much more interesting car for almost the same price. When I was cross shopping I found I could get everything I wanted in the Spyder for almost the same price as GTS with a few options that are actually standard on the Spyder. No question which one to go with. If they had a more exciting front end, I would actually be cool with a GTS. Porsche made a mistake with the GTS by not having a dramatic Sport Design front facia like the prior GTS. Now that Spyders are more plentiful at dealership's, locating one is not even an issue. Keep up the great content MotoMan. I never get tired of your Porsche coverage. You could do one once a week and I would be happy

[@duosable]

GT4 is the better Cayman, but hard to live with.

[@speedntktzlastname2182]

Short of a PTS color, I’d love to see this as a sleeper in Aventurine Green Metallic w/ Espresso-Cognac interior. That Gentian Blue Metallic (1A) looks nice w/ Black-Crayon (BW) interior. Limited selection of hides available on the 718s.

[@jmorrison146]

Great (best) color combo for a sleeper. The un-GTS GTS.

[@davidrivera2165]

Exactly because the Cayman doesn't have a Sunroof is why I prefer the Boxter (981 or 718 GTS) version of the six cylinder GTS. Caymans are not ideal for those who might be slightly claustrophobic. Yeah the idea of a lightweight glass roof might solve that issue, but it will likely crack (see Mclaren's bad history with lightweight windshields). Now a Spyder (baby 911 Speedster) with the stick, that hits my sweet spot. Thanks George. I have to say, May 2020 to May 2121 has probably been your best year in reviews. Post accident and recovery, you sir, are better than ever. I celebrate you.

[@MotoManTV]

WOW! Thank you David for the kind words . . . Will admit, the accident did give me a kick in the ass - quite literally - that I probably needed.

[@2000viperrt]

Another fantastic show!! As a 2009 Cayman owner getting ready to purchase another I am really loving all the Porsche content. And leaning towards a Spyder.

[@MotoManTV]

Thank you, sir!

[@Alpha718-4.0]

You can't go wrong with either, I have an allocation on a MY22 GTS 4.0. I'm also a .1S owner

[@danielpfister6774]

Great video 🤓!!! Last February 2023, I acquired my new 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 which has the 4L NA flat six cylinder engine (same unit as a GT4) and a PDK gearbox. Power output (394 bhp) and torque (317 lb-ft) are a nice match to this car's sensible curb weight (~3200 lbs). The color is Gentian Blue metallic with a black/chalk all-leather interior and silver wheel rims. It's definitely an entertaining driver's car! So far, I've only done 452 miles but hopefully a lot more this coming Summer! The PDK is also a lot of fun (it's definitely quick) 🤓 All the best and thanks again from Colorado! "Porsche...There is No Substitute!!!"

[@tamasszabo8824]

MotoMan, There are several two-tone interiors available for the Cayman, including black/bordeaux, black/chalk and espresso/cognac. Those brighten the interior considerably. My current car is a 2010 Cayman S PDK that I ordered in 2/2010. 126k miles and counting. I need a daily driver and therefore would never consider a track-focused car, no matter how close the GTS 4.0 is priced to the GT4.

[@mikeshepherd726]

Having faced this same dilemma a few months back (only in a Boxster vs Spyder form), I opted for the Boxster GTS 4.0. My reasoning for this were two fold: 1) availability with options I wanted. I was able to find a Boxster GTS in almost the exact specs I wanted, whereas with a spyder it was much more difficult a task (yes I was too impatient being on that allocation list); 2) convenience. Living in FL, I wanted to be able to raise the top from the drivers seat when that sudden shower appeared out of nowhere. Spyder tops are manual. With that said, I don’t think you can go wrong with either choice. All of these models are amazing drives, and are incredible experiences. It all comes down to personal preference. For me, saving $15k and getting conveniences that I wanted was a no brainer.

[@johnwhite6961]

I went with Black / Luxor Beige interior. So many cars are black & gray inside. Dreary! GT4 doesn't offer that. Chose GTS for many more non-track options, and because I bought it to drive until the steering wheel disintegrates in my hands. 🏁 Nice videos btw, Moto. 👍

[@tamasszabo8824]

I have a GTS 4.O with espresso interior. So much lighter than the black leather in my prior 2010 987 Cayman S.

[@M4NA5]

I think the GTS is more like a GT4 Touring with niceties that make it a better daily driver. GT4 is a much more track focused car.

[@RichieB40444]

Yeah, that black interior seems very basic to me. I loved the 981s when they had the light brown interior. LOVE IT!!!

[@andrewipp426]

Absolutely love your reviews of cars MotoMan!

[@MotoManTV]

Thank you, Andrew!

[@maruno88]

Im waiting my gts unit. The video has explained very well what i wanted to know about. THANKS.

[@BillLee3]

He's wrong on the 0-60. The GTS does it in 3.8 if you get the PDK and 4.3 on the manual. That compares to 3.7 and 4.2 for the GT4.

[@sergebasque8460]

You are absolutely right both car are beautiful also some interior color change needed.😎👏

[@RiaanRai]

There is an option for a very big sunroof , its called the boxster gts 4.0 option. the argument of GT4 vs GTS , i dont think is limited to suspension setup only. You can raise the GT4 suspension , it is adjustable by up to an inch i believe. the front spoiler design is what i think causes the most clearance issues and therefore reduces the GT4s daily drivability, the GTS has an upward slant to the front spoiler , while the GT4 has straight and long front spoiler. Both cars are comfortable. GT4 you say is more rare ? There are far fewer GTS in my country than GT4 . Price is not much different between a good second hand GT4 and a new GTS.

[@IceDree]

Sigh, again with the black interiors, c'mon Porsche! I understand your reasoning for picking the GT4 instead & honestly what's an extra 13k at this tax bracket. Now if only Porsche made a GT4 Touring ... Excellent work like always, M.

[@MotoManTV]

GT4 Touring . . . now there's an idea!

[@videogazer801]

The comparison review is so damn good!!! 👍💪

[@jackieflores9270]

idk, if i could, id daily a gts cayman. if i wanted a track car, id go with the gt3. gt4 is great, but when i think of cayman, i see it as a mx5.. fun when you want it. totally impractical, and compact and basically full efficient, and for a daily car, i want something less showy and in your face. track car, give me the works!

[@carlfrederick8433]

I can't understand why this PDK cost over $500 more than the PDK in the GT4. Are the gear rations changed in the GTS only for the $500 to help in acceleration?

[@williamk1800]

I'm #teamsunroof as well. I too, really wish there were more sportscars with a glass roof option even if they don't open, like what the Jaguar F-Type offers. Likely won't happen, but I would strongly consider the upcoming Nissan Z if they offered a glass roof option - the Supra and Cayman are too claustrophobic / dark for me.

[@jsz2619]

A full red interior looks the best with white, silver and grey paint.

[@Lionsheartification]

Looks nice with blue as well in my opinion

[@leeraymer166]

Red and Black Alcantara two tone with Gentian Blue would look great in this car.

[@Closertotruth2]

My new Gentien Blue Spyder looks great with the red interior, and red roof.

[@hazardeur]

that blue outside with a white interior (and red tachometers) are where it's at for me

[@GT3Chef]

Say someone does a heavy amount of mountain/curvy road driving. Would a gt4 be significantly better over a gts or would it not be that noticeable between the two?

[@SlippinJimmy]

Hope one day I can own one myself

[@trigganometry168]

This would be my spec Gentian blue $650 Black/Luxor beige leather $2590 Satin platinum wheels $600 Porsche crest on headrests $290 GTS logo on center console $340 Luxor beige seat belts $360 Porsche logo satin black $220 Delete model designation on rear $0 Delete all race Tex $0 Smoking package $0 Luggage net in passenger footwell $0 Total $93800

[@paulgojenola1278]

I’ve got a 991.2 GT3 6 speed manual which I love but I miss some of the luxuries of my last 991 Carrera S as I still drive it as commuter or running errands occasionally. I’ll likely replace my wife’s 2016 M4 with a this GTS and PDK (she’s tired of manual in her daily driver) as it compliments the GT3.

[@captnjim44smith74]

I agree with your wish of better choices in interior. In Florida or most Southern states, a black interior is a bad choice in the 90degree or more degrees.

[@IamJay02]

I just got done watching Brian's great review on this amazing machine. I'm curious to see your take on this car.

[@MotoManTV]

He's wrong . . . and you can tell him I said that.

[@speedntktzlastname2182]

Maybe another perspective on the review would be attainable performance for the $$$ 3-4yrs from now when the depreciation curve softens. That GTS with 15-20k miles will be a performance bargain. GT4’s of same period will have 10k less miles and the price difference will have multiplied significantly.

[@MotoManTV]

An incredibly valid point.

[@johnlee5307]

I’m counting on the higher depreciation of the GTS 4.0 over the GT4 to pick one up in a couple years. If your not a taking it to the track regularly and done at highly extralegal speeds in the canyons then you’ll never realize the difference in performance but still always feel the difference in comfort.

[@Fluterra]

How is the GTS lighter than the GT4?!

[@snmthecloser]

Haha I don’t think using the ultra lightweight glass from the GT3 rear windshield on a roof of any car would ever pass safety regulations. Incredibly dangerous should a rollover occur. Panoramic sunroofs are dangerous enough as is in a high speed rollover, let alone fitting it with lightweight glass.

[@chonjacki]

Yet they still sell cars with absolutely no roof at all. And miraculously, most who own convertibles survive.

[@VK6AB-]

Odd, GT4 and GTS are very different cars and the GTS is far more useable - you don't buy them for status points you buy them for enjoyment. The 981 GTS and 718 GTS 4L are probably two of the best sports cars Porsche have ever made.

[@anthh3255]

Street car on the track for my current financial situation. Can’t afford anything above a gen 1 Miata for track days as a toy car.

[@MotoManTV]

There is NOTHING wrong with a Miata track car.

[@deep6thisdeep6this92]

get gts with the guards red paint (no cost) with the bose stereo, manual transmission (no cost), and natural leather interior. if you want the guards red gauges and guards red chrono clock face, go for it. see if the dealer will swap out (at no cost0 those too hard riding and unattractive, IMO, black 20" wheels for the 18" (or is it 19"?) boxster wheels. or, if you must, spec the standard wheels in platinum ($600) it'll set you back, as described, less than the base price of the gt4 and you'll be living in aston martin opulence with track performance.

[@final_mile_music9713]

GT 4 is too flashy for the street though. At least for me. Driving a car with a big wing at road speeds just seems a bit ridiculous. And everyone knows it.

[@barnzstorm2036]

Love the video mate!!! Only 720p?

[@MotoManTV]

Sadly, had a camera fail that impacted two episodes . . . this was one of them.

[@barnzstorm2036]

@@MotoManTV ah such is life mate! Keep up the excellent work

[@barrettgarese2267]

MM Help me solve a conundrum: this GTS 4.0 or a 991.1 (2015 or 2016) C2S? They’re both sitting at around the same price these days...

[@MotoManTV]

You really can't go wrong with either - resale on the 991.1 will be better over the long haul. That said, you know I am going to say GT4. Whatever you end up with, come visit the hanger after you pull the trigger - it's been too long.

[@barrettgarese2267]

@@MotoManTV I just realized you've never reviewed the Giulia QV. Or at least YT search isn't surfacing it on your channel. Any strong thoughts?

[@kerunbindra4053]

will this get android auto update like the 2022 911?

[@mpower3144]

how do you compare this to the 2.5 t gts ?

[@MotoManTV]

It's right there in the episode.

[@senshibat8920]

Well that G wagon tows the Track you drive the Track trainer to the track?

[@DavidJCarrell]

I’d go with the M2 CS and pocket the extra $10,000. With a manual, as God intended it

[@jams_world81]

Yes but it’s not a Porsche and it’s comes to just personal preference at this price point. You really can’t go completely wrong with either, both great cars.

[@jams_world81]

@@allen624 sounds like someone that had a bad experience, I never heard 👂 from anyone in the whole SoCal area having issues. Yes I heard about the recall issues but they will get it squared away. Congratulations on your purchases

[@craigb2697]

@@allen624 like with anything, people flock to the internet to complain when they have a problem. Do they flock to the internet when they don’t have a problem? No. You’re hearing only about the issues, not the tens of thousands of owners that don’t experience any problems. Same goes for any product / car

[@tedj9]

@@allen624 Check out BMW forums for the same. Most BMW M engines have some sort of design issue, such as S55 and N55 crank bolts, VANOS and rod bearing failures in previous gen cars, etc. Thankfully, I have not had the issues that Nick Murray has had and neither have most people I know who drive various models from 987s to 992s. You are correct that the 991.1 GT3 does indeed have a design issue with finger followers. Porsche extended the engine warranty to 10 years and will replace the engine under warranty if it fails. After 10 years then buy at your own risk. The 991.2 GT3 does not have this issue nor does the previous gen.

[@tedj9]

@@allen624 By many, you mean the one 991.2 GT3RS on Rennlist (who states maybe a few cars at most), out of ~4900 built? For that specific case it was the lash adjusters (different issue from the 991.1 GT3) and the engine was replaced by Porsche under warranty.

[@limpunsing224]

The GTS price is probably to entice buyers to purchase a GT4 instead

[@migy5031]

Hi MM! Love the Porsche content!👍

[@MotoManTV]

Thank you!

[@speedntktzlastname2182]

Whoa! Almost forgot! You didn’t mention the STOP SALE due to engine problem. My SA told me it was related to a redesign of connecting rods to prevent a failure. No info on when resolution will be in place and shipments continue.

[@tedj9]

Not a design issue, a manufacturing defect. That's why there is only a small number of cars affected. A date range of connecting rods did not meet specifications and could fail. Therefore, these are being replaced under the stop sale (either replacing the connecting rods or a completely new engine). Cars built before and after the specific VINs have/are still being delivered.

[@craigb2697]

Your SA is giving you incorrect info. I collect mine next week. It affected a tiny proportion of cars

[@johncartwright5179]

@@tedj9 Good info, ted; I put in a 'build' request (sign intention + plus small deposit) mid February - then waited for dealer lining up an allocation, getting further signs from factory. I'm told recently delivery of Cayman GTS 4.0 should be Sep 17. Things may be moving more slowly this year, I'm not at final review of details yet, I think it'll be mid-June. After owning a 2016 Cayman GTS, it is not easy controlling my excitement!

[@tedj9]

@@johncartwright5179 Congrats! You will love it! Especially coming from a 981 I would recommend some exhaust mods, starting with a valve controller (such as Cargraphic) and OAPs. Maybe an x-pipe depending on how you like the sound after that. Amazing car otherwise :)

[@Fluterra]

Unfortunately, the only transmission you should buy for this car is the... PDK. Such a shame,

[@mannymanuel1618]

Did u think we weren't going to notice ..... 720p

[@MotoManTV]

Wasn't trying to hide it . . . Experienced a camera fail that impacted two episodes. The choice was a 720p episode or throw the footage in the bin.

[@mannymanuel1618]

Busted ur chops........ we appreciated u brother!!!!

[@aurorajones8481]

11:50 LOL so you want an Acura Aspec Blue ext / Red int? Funny you say this cause i half thought of ordering my 911 this way. However i drive to fast and cannot afford a flashy exterior color. So i chose black and now i cant find a damn build slot so im hunting. Stupid chip shortage.

[@MotoManTV]

I want nothing Acura.

[@le1690]

@@MotoManTV Really? Their new SUVs look decent.

[@maximeb.2159]

The title tells you the truth. That s why i have bought the GT4 over the GTS!

[@ergonaut940]

Lucky you! Happy with the car?

[@maximeb.2159]

@@ergonaut940 very happy! I love it , so much fun to drive ;-)

[@ergonaut940]

@@maximeb.2159 I bet!

[@wrzl1675]

It’s a shame that all of those NA 4.0’s have such a huge lack of torque. Love the GTS and GT4 but 300 lbs. ft. of torque is laughable in todays times.

[@le1690]

I dunno about that. Feels plenty fast for me and I traded a 992 C4S for a 718 GTS 4.0. It's a tad slower in straight lines, but nothing to scoff at. In the corners, the 718 is king.

[@Mr7zeros]

720p?

[@aurorajones8481]

11:20 I agree 100%

[@ImOldGregg]

Base gt4 with dct over this

[@Fee.1]

3:35 Porsche probably did what by design ?

[@MotoManTV]

Watch that part again . . . clearly spelled out.

[@Fee.1]

@@MotoManTV I’m sure it’s clearer to people more familiar with the Porsche line up but I wasn’t clear on whether the pdk was new/reengineered somehow and they were waiting for it in this car or you just meant the gearing in general, but apparently I can’t read so I have bigger issues

[@evanescent0311]

I could never get a GTS knowing for another $20k I could get a GT4 ... unless I wanted to be low key then I’d get the GT4 touring (GTS).

[@rayF4rio]

Why only 720p?

[@MotoManTV]

Sadly, had a camera fail that impacted two episodes. This one and kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mqeYF3m9hrgqc

[@wlopezmendez]

GTS because Porsche won't sell a GT4.

[@MotoManTV]

Funny, a pilot buddy of mine rolled into the local Porsche dealer here in the South Bay and walked out with a new GT4 . . . at sticker.

[@j.r.arnolli9734]

GTS is more 'the' Gran Turismo. Put in a light-color headliner, no need for a sunroof. Buy a Boxter, if You want otherwise.

[@martinsbriglio8948]

Just don’t think it’s worth the price . The options game that Porsche plays is an insult to the consumer . I’d rather pay more and order the Mclaren Arturo and actually get something state of the art and the art of the drive .

[@justsomerandomguyman]

Real track rats wouldn't use carbon ceramic brakes over standard brakes simply because they aren't cost effective on track.

[@EduardoSanchez-un2hh]

I'm more of a 'Whatever makes girls wet their panties' kind of guy.

[@destupua4782]

Sounds like Donald Trump

[@jwpratt1947]

Can't tell 911 variants without a scorecard. : 911, Cayman GTS, GT3, 992...what a mess

[@Turbojetkart]

Erm..... over 10k between them...... money no issue.... perhaps........ but back in the real world....... 10K+ not close ...... get real.... not going check your video.... as its preffice is bogus

[@DBQ42]

Am I the only one that thinks Porsche are ugly?

[@omeproductions1392]

Yes