Porsche 911 GT3 991 | Sweet Dreams

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Putting this channel/video into perspective...The first car Savagegeese reviewed was a Buick Lacrosse over 7 years ago. The vision, persistence, and growth has been unreal to watch. Amazing video guys.

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[@johnm5131]

I love my GT3. I daily it, and it is a sad reminder that this era is over......one quick thought on the review that I think was missed: as a Daily, it's not about 'chasing the redline', it is about how connected and mechanical the car is. Like winding a fine watch, there is pleasure in small tasks. The engine makes pleasing sounds in every band of RPM. And the sounds change every 2K RPM into something very different. The shifter has a meatiness that is absent in non-GT porsches...each part shows a harmony at 2/10ths and 3/10ths and so on. When you do play with the car, it is a whole other level. Sounds now become 3-4-5times louder, engine wails, brakes, shifter, all of those facets focus the car into something I have never seen outside of my race-car. And then you come out of the turn and put it into 5th gear and the car is a daily again. It's magical.

[@vanjabi8827]

Well said, imagine being a valve spring in one of those engine after 5k on track and 15k of this type of road driving. That year is your GT3? 3.8 or 4.0? How many miles or kilometers is your commute? How often do you make that drive? Finally what’s your annual consumables lookin like? Lol

[@rezhaadriantanuharja3389]

We thought the era was over, but then came the 992 GT3 and GT3 RS, and then the GT4RS. Hopefully Porsche keeps the dream alive forever

[@achintyaaatreya]

Everytime I hear one of those engines, I can't help but smile. Nothing stirs up emotions like a high revving normally aspirated engine.

[@tavirosu25]

And sadly this will be the end of them in a 911 :(

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

And a flat six at that.

[@dougrobinson8602]

This is totally lost on most modern automotive engineers. The quest for Nurburgring lap times, 0-60 times, the CAFE fuel economy, emission and noise standards has forced manufacturers to go with turbos. I like turbo cars, but most of them just don't sound great. Having to work the gears to keep revs up is a very satisfying experience, and one that sadly is becoming rarer. Go find yourself a nice NA Porsche or BMW and rev the shit out of it in a tunnel. If you even have a pulse, the hair on the back of your neck will stand up, and you will smile inside. I am fortunate enough to to do this on a nearly daily basis. I will roll the windows down, even in the dead of a Chicago winter to enhance the experience. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.

[@DxCBuG]

it either this clean symphony for me or brutal turbo charging that hits home :D

[@no1washerezz]

@@dougrobinson8602 its because people keep bitching about the lack of power like they do in the new gr86.

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He used to think they were so overrated a couple years ago

[@overduetax]

@@djBurgers That's usually how it goes isn't it? 90% of guys who call 911's overrated have never driven one or have very little experience with them. There's something for everyone with 911's and usually hardcore car guys don't even get a chance to ride in a GT3/GTS let alone track one. I think that's when everything changes and you can't deny the superiority of the 911 platform as a race and street car.

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It’s the logical next step for 90s/early 2000s Honda guys.

[@shawndejong6699]

Andreas is truly a car nut. It's awesome to see someone like that at the helm of the GT program at Porsche. Just wish I could afford one

[@the_greatestever5483]

This video is a masterpiece. I got to drive a 991.2 GT3 at the end of high school (no it wasn't mine) and I literally cried because it was such an experience. I'm now going to law school in the fall and I haven't forgotten this car. Watching this made me feel like I was right back in it. I'll work my ass off to own one eventually. What a video.

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[@Motsatiah]

I had a 992S and a GTS on order, I just couldn't justify spending $75,000 more for almost the same car. But knew if I wanted a GT3, this is the game I had play !! My dealer sensing my reluctance happened to have 991.2, GT3 w/ MT, 6,500 km and buckets, I bought it. Wow, what a car! There is no comparison, on every metric this car is so much better, as a sports car. The crazy thing is, it's even more comfortable in the city with potholes and bumps. The only downside is drives where at cruising speeds it's revving higher. It's so good, rewarding, fun to drive, and a special car that never lets you forget. I can’t imagine how a 992GT3 could be better. I tracked my 992S for two years and loved it, but this GT3 will be something else. Great review that I saw before buying my GT3, love this channel!!

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[@Josh-js3uw]

chevrolet?

[@BoPunk]

@@Josh-js3uw No, the French Navy. 😂

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100%

[@IM_Arcades]

One of the things about Porsche's GT division has always been how accessible Andreas Preuninger is. He loves to talk about cars and each and every time I see him on videos or interviews, he is never shy about expressing his love for cars. I am happy to switch from BMW to Porsche. Never mind the little "issues" with Porsche.

[@CarYenta-1]

Both 991.2 have aftermarket exhausts (6:58 white one has what looks like Soul, red one 27:27 look at the exhaust tip size, that is not stock), and the 991.1 has the stock center muffler 7:09. That's where the sound difference is. Stock for stock, 991.1 has more rasp at 8.5 to 9k than the 991.2 does. I bet that roll cage'd red 991.2 also has a DSC sport v3 PASM controller in it which really helps track manners and street manners, not a ton for the 991.2 which comes with good pasm software out of the box, but changes a ton the character of the 991.1 which is bouncy out of the box - you can set up the 991.1 to feel better than the stock .2. Both .1 and .2 have rear helper springs.

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY!!! After almost a year of waiting, this video popped up on my feed! Fantastic job! As a 991.2 GT3 6MT owner, some comments: 1) the sound that the 4.0L makes between 7500 to 9000 rpm is an experience like no other. 2) The manual transmission is the best in the business, bar none. 3) The take rate for the 6MT should be a wakeup call to Italian manufacturers that we want a proper manual transmission back. Ferrari/Lamborghini have become technical exercises in speed, and have taken the driver out of the experience. 4) The .1 engines have finger follower issues that will depreciate the car dramatically when the engine warranty expires at 10 years, 120k miles. 5) The engine is remarkably easy to access and do maintenance (oil changes for example). 6) For all the marketing around the 992 GT3 being better, the reality is that the lack of gas particulate filters, better brake pads, and better exhaust sound make the 991.2 the better driving experience. 7) The car delivers on an emotional level far higher than the spec sheet would suggest 8) This is truly one of the all-time best sweet spots in the Porsche lineup and the 991.2 is a modern classic 9) The party line is that they didn't have money to develop the MT initially but this is also conveniently very smart marketing to get the PDK accepted in the marketplace and then to satisfy the enthusiasts later with the MT. You really think Porsche couldn't make a MT from the start?? 10) Can you guys make a video of B-roll with no talking and just the sound of the engine revving up and down in a separate video?

[@hadrienlf23]

Point 2 is very far from the truth... I drove most of the manual car in the industry, own 20 cars, i am a former racing driver and the GT3 manual box is average. Not as bad as my 3.8RS box which is absolute shit. It feels plasticy and precise but not in a nice way.

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

What do you consider to be a better manual transmission?

[@hadrienlf23]

@@shahrukhbakar3248 MX5 box is miles better, M2 comp, any Honda box is 2 cuts above, try an FK8 and your mind will be blown compared to any Porsche box.

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

All great examples.

[@TMRDAM]

A low mileage S2000 gearbox is probably still the best around, especially when it reaches ideal working temperature.

[@Chainwhips]

I know functionally the 992 GT3 is objectively a better car but the 991, but the 991 looks so much cleaner and closer to perfection than the new one.

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@@Bigern2998 I completely agree!! When Jack floors it and laughs it cracks me up every time haha

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@@chrisduran3007 for sure. They are perfect at what they do. So much so that I watch reviews I have no interest in because the entertainment/insight has value on its own. They should have 4M subscribers.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

With the way prices have shot up on these, I’m going to need a 75 year loan to bring the payments into reality. Great coverage as always Goose 👍

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2 of my favorite auto reviewers! Love both of the channels ❤️

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Yeah, but it's probably worth it. Right? :D

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@@mramius3834 I own, drive and track a 991.2 GT3RS. It's awesome. But no, it's not worth ruining your future financial stability over. I was able to write a check for this car, ironically, because I was very careful not to waste much money for the prior fifteen years.

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Without going into detail, we want to take this much farther. Its definately not easy because of how YT is setup there is minimal reward for doing these types of videos. But, I take as a deep personal challenge to make it work and to work harder at it. I hope some point these become more of the norm.

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Thanks for recommending the Revelations with Jason Cammisa series, I'm enjoying them a lot.

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@@randyp6370 that's why it's good to have variety, different people appeal to different audiences.

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@@DB-sd3cw Who asked you?

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The 991.1 and 991.2 will always have a sweet spot in my heart. Looks much better than the new Generation.

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[@keebs_yo787]

Had to watch this on my big screen with surround sound to appreciate that 9000rpm symphony. I don’t know if my stars will align enough to allow me the opportunity of owning a GT3, but I will own a manual transmission 911 someday. Thank you for the time and effort put into making this video.

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@28:00 That first minute or two of driving the 991.2 down that back road got my heart racing like no car has ever done! You guys are the best in the industry and this entire video was truly impressive. Mark, Jack.......... amazing. Thank you.

[@michaelcheshareck3275]

I drove the 991.2 GT3 at the Porsche experience and it was an amazing car. The sound and grip is eye opening to someone like me that has never driven such a capable car. You can beat the piss out of it and it doesn’t flinch or overheat. Go to 9000 RPM over and over and it doesn’t mind. The steering, brakes, and ability to hammer it early coming out of corners is all great.

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[@wma6019]

I use to work for a certain winningest company with a 911 Cup Car race team. Porsche stops offering warranty and support with engines over 40 race hours and recommends replacement/refresh. We had several engines still putting down 98% of their original power with 80+ hours and one particular customer who won multiple races with one that had over 100 race hours on it. They are incredible engines.

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Thanks guys , your reviews are now hands down the best on KZbin,!!!!!

[@tyty0071]

Your audio captures the exhaust soundtrack perfectly, it makes even my phone speakers SING.

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[@MattN03]

Just fast forward to the Driving Impressions and start with that on surround sound! Wow, that sound would NEVER get old! Great job as always guys!

[@JackKarneval]

Can we talk about the transitions in this video? Because they're phenomenal! Fantastic work as always guys!

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Great job in this video

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On this video

[@sheilafraser-zi1xc]

Wish I could afford such a great car..best auto review I have ever seen.Keep up the good work you two.will be back for next one!!!

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This was beautifully done guys. Bravo!

[@nateisright]

The 911 is a master class in iterative engineering. In each generation, they keep pushing forward and getting better.

[@muthukumaranc]

Exceptional video! I've really enjoyed this docuseries. I appreciate the amount of work to make such high-quality docuseries. Thank you Savagegeese and Porsche.

[@andrewnickds]

Again another amazing video. This is the reason SavageGeese is my all time favorite KZbin channe, no other channel gives you this level of detail and quality and yet is still very entertaining. This video and the 992 GT3 video gave me immense respect for Porsche.

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Dream car. Maybe one day it will happen. The quality of this video is spectacular.

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[@Rei_n1]

Excellent! Special big thank you for bringing so much of the sonorous experience over to this side of the screen!

[@panamera53]

This video is amazing. A video that shows honestly how special the GT3 mane is to me. I'll get me a GT3 RS one of these days.

[@gabrielotrisal8975]

Thank you!

[@JaZoN_XD]

This video is such a dream. Thank you Goose for such a wealth of information. It's almost unbelievable they were able to improve on it afterwards with the 992!

[@kshao1991]

When you see a GT3’s exhaust tip that clean, you know it has been driven hard on the track

[@jeffwarren1547]

This is it. This is the pinnacle of ICE. It will never be better. These things will be worth a fortune in the years to come, as we further transition to EV

[@eb_z0694]

Wait until pneumatic or electromagnetic valvetrains start going mainstream. there's still a lot of room for improvement

[@feelsgoodman245]

One of the best engines ever put in a road car. Probably the best engine of the last decade at least.

[@LifeOfToyz]

I got chills watching you drive this. What a work of art.

[@JikkyoLB]

Finally a proper GT being reviewed ( manual and buckets), nicely done

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Who wouldn't appreciate this level of video production, admiration, level of quality, and level of excitement from this car!!

[@plantman77]

Great content as usual. I could watch a new Porsche video from you guys every week.

[@bikingD]

Best reviews out there. That said Final Thoughts on the GT3. Perfection!

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This is the best car channel Review Ever.

[@joetacchino4470]

You guys are truly producing videos as good as the best automotive channels out there. This honestly could be a video from Carfection or Evo. Far better than those outlets that think they need to get content out several times per week. Bravo guys. This is a wonderful video on an awesome subject. I know most people say 911’s are overrated and too expensive but honestly, when you find the magic behind the “special ones”, and that’s not just the GT cars, you can’t help but fall in love.

[@erik2446]

Well done! Thanks for the video guys!

[@wizardofsteez]

Really great stuff guys . Just discovered your channel and I appreciate your attention to detail so much . Keep up the good work .

[@mysticzz6685]

991.1 is my favorite, looks so good

[@stevenreichertart]

This video is spectacular, guys. And so it the GT3. Thanks for an entertaining 45 minutes.

[@alpex92]

Personally I love R8 V10 sound much more, but Porsche’s track reliability and 14 years extendable warranty deserves a respect.

[@CarsOverPeople]

Ofc 4 more cylinders/1.2 more liters is going to sound better (and barely better at that). But as far as 6 cylinder engines go, NOTHING beats the sound/reliability of these NA F6’s. These cars straight piped sound like 1000cc bikes imo.

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Everything you guys are doing just gets better and better. Absolutely blown away between the amount of work you put into this and how it actually turned out. Savagegeese to the moon in 2022! It will be an absolute crime of humanity if people don’t pick-up on your channel so that you can reach 1M subscribers this year.

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Next level content - This is my go to channel for 'in depth' car information and reviews.

[@dannymac6368]

Thank you, as always. Especially for this one!

[@shawntoronto7967]

Wow. GT3 is my dream car -which in reality I know will require a lotto win for me to own… but I love these detailed videos. I watch all your stuff on my 4K Tv - the quality you gentlemen deliver is second to none. Awesome vid!

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When watching all these videos on KZbin and appreciating what Porsche has done to this platform over the years ONLY your review does match this effort by Porsche. Well done guys! Greets from Austria!

[@Briggleton]

that transition at 37:30 was god tier

[@boynamedphillip]

Thank you for taking your time with these. My dad, brother, and I are really enjoying watching these and then discussing what we’ve either learned or what our opinions might be. Anyways, thank you!

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This was so good I had to put another post 😂 awesome vid guys!!! You are truly the best KZbin car reviewer by far it’s not even close!! You can feel the passion about cars when you talk and through the production!! I’m surprised you guys haven’t been hired by big companies to do there commercial yet. Amazing work fellas!

[@DanyCesc83]

A very underrated channel in my opinion, no one else is doing this kinda job when it comes to car’s.

[@2009wookie]

Mark and Jack, another phenomenal video. Thank you

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The Benchmark of Excellence for every track oriented street cars.

[@gettcouped]

Never driven a Porsche. I’ve been in a 70’s air cooled one that a family member has out in Michigan and was in another late 80s one when I was a kid. These cars are special and remarkable, not my type of car, but I can certainly appreciate what has been done with this car over all the other German vehicles out there. I think Mark’s final thoughts summed it up best. Tremendous work on this video and it deserves millions of views! This isn’t just a shaking camera screaming meme fest. This is an actual in-depth and technological view on this vehicle that blends emotion and science in a beautiful ~45 minute masterpiece.

[@93455Driver]

Amazing content, editing, and detail. So cool to have the interviews but really like the tech details.

[@markergt01]

Interesting quote around the 27 minute mark: “We will never change the layout with the combustion engine in the rear.” Notice that he used the phrase “combustion engine”, Leaving open the possibility of electric assistance on the front axle.

[@vedranbozicevic1111]

Only Jack was very negative saying ICE is going away like tomorrow. So much I do not like it that I can't hear it even.