Porsche 992 or Porsche 991.2? Enthusiasts Speak Their Minds (And Don't Hold Back).

[@andrewbiazis7453]

991.2 successor to 993 for most beautiful 911

[@ChrisBrooke-l8i]

I looked at both a new 992.1 and a 991.2 for purchase and decided the 992 was too big, the console cup holder was right behind the manual shifter, had to buy an S to get a manual and the piano black was very scratch able. Both had the same engine and I saved $40k. Decision made- 991.2.

[@Rennthusiast]

You hit the nail on the head with all of the annoying little things about the 992.

[@WFO.]

Just got my ‘24 992.1 GTS with manual and rear steering and absolutely love it.

[@chris-eccohealthcare]

Greetings from Scotland. For me I drive a 991.1 C4GTS. It’s a great car great noise. I am hoping to trade up to a 991.2 GT3 in the next few months. For me the 992 is taken it a step to far. I prefer buttons to touch screen. I also prefer NA engines this is the reason I have my gts and hope a gt3. Like the videos thanks again.

[@something-anything]

Last Xmas my amazing wife surprised me with a 991.2 Carrara S Cabriolet (2018) with less than 30K miles on it. We had a 2018 Macan, which we'd bought new, but this was my first Porsche performance car and I've been in love ever since! Yours is my favorite 911 channel of course because I so fully relate to your love of that black 991.2. And I was thrilled to hear the story of your being reunited with it. Our 991.2s are incredibly similar, with the exception of mine being convertible and having blacked out lettering in the rear. I've since put over 6K on it being my daily driver here in the Bay Area. I can't seem to go a day without enjoying it!

[@arainla]

Newest is best is absolutely wrong! Analog dials are a must for a 911.

[@kerosenefilms]

I had a 718, then a 992. Loved them both for different reasons. The tech on these cars is so advanced that, IMHO, it’s just more to break. I’m not chasing track times. I just want to enjoy a spirited drive. Active engine mounts, active suspension, electric turbo-all costly repairs. I think Porsche would crush it with a bare bones NA sports car that comes in at a competitive price. I know, I know… but one can dream.

[@DR_JBN]

It’s exists… 718 GTS 4.0

[@maxaeonmusic]

@@DR_JBN Agreed, but I'm not sure that's a competitive price and it's loaded with active electronics.

[@Datimdavis2900]

I think the 718 S fits this bill as well

[@nafnaf0]

@@Datimdavis2900 718 S is turbocharged, OP was looking for NA

[@nafnaf0]

I think there is a reason the 997.2 911s are basically going for their original MSRP today with values holding steady, even slightly increasing despite the rest of the market decreasing significantly.

[@Molloy1951]

In 50 years nobody will speak positively about the 992. It's done to appeal more to the average bourgeois youtube watcher than to sports cars drivers.

[@mach51]

i chose a 2019 C4S recently. I dont like the front bumper on the 992 as much but could live with it. Dont like the lack of actual buttons in the 992 and that weak little shifter.

[@pkancel5623]

I have had 964s, 997s, 991.1, 991.2 and now as of a week ago the 992. At the time I had each one, I loved each of them for what they offered, however as I bought the next model, I appreciated the newer style, drivability, power, etc more than the one it replaced. Similar comparison to classic american cars. I love the 69 camaro but I cant go back and would only appreciate owning one if it was a restomod. I am 59 years old and I want the creature comforts of what each new generation has to offer. Like you mentioned in your review of your 992, I agree some parts of the exterior could be improved, like the rear lower valance but the rest I really appreciate and I really dont mind the interior and like it more than my 991.2.

[@dirkpalmer1067]

Edit: wrote below before listening, but added a bit. Thx for sharing. 2019 991.2 4 gts was my sweetspot! That's my keeper and I prefer it to the 992 for many reasons: size/feel, design, tech blend, looks, just about everything except power. Since I rarely use the power I have, I doubt I'll get the cheap tune to 500+hp, but that's easy to do if desired. And I don't want to offend anyone, but I think the quality of interior build is better on the 991.2.

[@lukeagostini5487]

Very nice format video and cool that you put on the spotlights comments from the users! I thought the comment about the IPad feeling of the 992 does made sense but to anyone contemplating to buy 991.2 or 992, I urge you to drive both and make up your mind based on your driving experience. I did not like the razor shape of the PDK knob of the 992 and was never a fan of the build quality of 992 back in 2020. But when I drove a 992 C2S coupe on track, the car felt so good - steering, engine noise in Sport+ at high rpm - that all my complaints on the interior cabin were forgotten and dare I say forgiven 😅

[@AramisRodríguez-f9c]

I owned a 997.1 - 2006 C4 - with 60k miles manual for 18 years and recently wanted to upgrade. I seriously looked at the 992.2 GTS, although I loved the experience, new is always better but, not this time. I told the salesperson that I'll keep my 997 C4. on my way out he asked me if I didn't mind looking at the previous generation (991.2) needless to say i looked at 991.2 C4S with 9,710 miles, PDK, super clean, loaded with options, test drive it and fell in love with the power, handling, and price. so we welcomed the new to me 991.2 into the family. all under $110k with $20k more we could be in a turbo S territory... for me!!! a no brainer... having said that... i missed my 997 C4 wide ass. ;-)

[@nigelvergas6103]

The 991.2 is a beauty 😊

[@krisjohnson2435]

Loved ur video on the 992 T as u made great points that I agree with. My description is the 992 is “effortless”. It is such an amazing machine, rear axle steering, faster, better tech inside, just makes it more easy and elegant to drive. If u like a raw drive where u can be one with ur car on every turn, that’s the 991. Me, I just want a better car that makes life easier. And having owned a 981 cayman s(traded for my 992) I couldn’t get a car with the same interior just faster. 992 is my forever car!

[@qrtrscale]

Respectfully, I liked your channel's content and have always listened in for your rational and thoughtful analysis. However, I think you're headed in a direction that is not for me any longer. I was more into the variety of cars you've owned and appreciated your detailed experience about the wide spectrum of the brand, your ownership, and Porsche's growing technology. The vid you did on the "7 Types of Porsche Enthusiasts You Don't Want to Become" was great, with many insights on how to enjoy your car in an age of social media and opinions. I guess I feel like you are stepping into a few of these "types" in this video and/or encouraging others to be your avatars. Anyway, that's just my opinion and I hope you consider these comments as you further shape and define content for the. Your keen ability to categorize and type different moods of ownership is an interesting lens and provides lesson for all of us. On that note, I think you're becoming a victim of your own cautionary tales outlined in the "7 Types" video.

[@Rennthusiast]

All good thoughts and I appreciate the feedback. Content shifts and channels evolve and I hate to hear that the new vid formats don’t match your taste, however to keep it fresh for myself and others it’s important to try new things. Good perspective on the 7 types…certainly don’t want to be that guy. Will give that some thought. As far as avatars, not sure what you mean by that? Thanks for the feedback!

[@derekwhoelse8359]

Bought a 992 C4S. It's a complete other car than my 991.2. C4. It's better, better handling, awesome cornering with the steering rear axle, faster, better looking, better interior but it is not as pure as the 991.2 when you drive it. Anyways, I'm very happy with it and the car can do more than the driver (me) dares.

[@andrewbrown5636]

Trying various 992’s and my 991.2 back to back I’d still go with my 991.2..and so would the 992 owners. £40k of options including rear wheel steering and PCCB’s probably helps a bit. It’s also better made

[@normsallitt2753]

The 997 is quite literally the last "real Porsche 911" before Porsche was bought out and taken over by Volkswagen AG in 2012.

[@Rennthusiast]

Right, but how many different generations do people point to and say “the last real analog…”

[@normsallitt2753]

@Rennthusiast they've said that for just about every new generation dating back to the 80's 3.2 G-body. At least to the best of my own recollection. I've been lucky enough to own 8 Porsche's through the past 30 years, and I have to say that I've loved every single one of them through all of the generations. Safe travels, bud ✌️

[@michaelgrey9544]

Aesthetically the 992 pays homage to the older 964 generation. Wider rear and square boot. I also enjoy the tech features.

[@ryan962]

991.1 S or GTS. Last of the NA, no turbos and more analog vs .2 & 992!

[@markj4909]

I've had both (C4S). Ordered both with rear-wheel steering. Preferred the 991.2. Kept the 991.2.

[@danmeifert2469]

997 & 987 are the most current that I would consider. Air cooled is where my heart is.

[@Closertotruth2]

I sold my 4 recent 911s and prefer the 718 4.0 manuals including the Spyder. Have two and another on order before they are gone.

[@grzegorzkot]

991.2 It looks great. The way it drives ... A car with a soul. A car that requires your attention. A perfect combination. Love it 😉

[@springertube]

991.2 for all the reasons mentioned. In fact, I might make mine a relatively loaded base, last of the narrow bodies. Not mentioned among 992 complaints that I've seen here yet, the overcomplicated flush door handles on both 992's. For some that's fiddly nitpicking but it grates they fixed what weren't broke,...and speaking of, the 992's look like they might do just that. Perhaps mostly though, they don't have that assuring, natural (familiar) action and feel... Often mentioned, disdain for the fakakta 992's PDK shifter nubbin', perhaps my number one sour point - it's a huge demerit and the 992.2 a real missed opportunity to go back to a real shifter. They should come out with a dealer-installed kit to retrofit. People always mention the ridiculous size and shape, and I fully agree, but seldom mentioned is also the complete loss of the +/- function there. The 991's gave you the choice of using the paddles or the console shifter,....there are times when it's really nice to not mix shifts and steering functions, but still wanting to control the gears. I 'grew up' mostly with stick shifts into my 40s (let's just say I'm much older now) and I guess always want to have that reassuring feeling of my hand resting on or by the shifter - manual or automatic. Later edit: this shifter is all the more important given the fact of the more limited availability of manual...and even on the 992.1 most sold with the PDK anyway. That means the majority of the more recent model 911's out there now--used or new--have only the nubbin'. The only part of the 992, both gens, I would like to swap to the 991 is the hood, the creases are a nice ode to the classic 911's of yore.. Too bad we can't have it all, eh? All of the above said, I pulled in next to a gorgeous wide-hipped 993 C4S at the gas station the other day, the engine still purring. Man! All I could do to keep from being an idiot kid fawning (drooling) over it, though I did give the driver a solid thumbs up and got a nice grin and wave back for the sentiment! So, yes, the air cooled's are special. As Will said, one of the classic AC's AND a 991.2, hard to go wrong.

[@chilliwilli4971]

I have a 2024 992.1 GTS and just love it. However, I have wander lust for a 993 Turbo or a 356 coupe. Infected with an air-cooled virus right now. 😊 I like either the 991.2 or 992.1. Have driven both. End up bias toward whatever one you own. The beauty of Porsche is they have a car to suit a broad range of enthusiasts (and their wallet sizes)!

[@VTheGuerrilla]

I’ve own several 911s through the years and my current 911 is a 992 GT3 RS. I will say this. For me the 991 both .1 and .2 is peak Porsche for me. They more raw more visceral more connected. I have sampled many 992 non GT cars. I find them dull and lacking . Refined , yes, capable yes but lacking . Also the 991 is the last generation that differentiates trim with body width ie wide body vs non wide body whereas the 992 everyone gets a wide body. The 991 followed heritage with the C4S as it got the wide body and the connected tail light strip with the 992 every model gets the connected taillight strip. 991 for the win.

[@Itzallgoood]

The 991.1 and 991.2 are my favorite generation of the 911. In my opinion it is the best blend of old school and modern. I tried to like the rear of the 992. I just can't do the 992 rear and I don't care for all the tech that newer cars are coming out with. That's with all brands, not just Porsche.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

Id really be interested to hear some sales figures on the 992.2s

[@saul_bloom]

It's very clear. after owning multiple 991 and 992 GT cars. For track, 992 is a game changer. For street and enthusiasts, beyond shadow of a doubt, 991 is superior. Subjective, of course, but I find the 991 aesthetically more pleasing.

[@Prayers_and_Porsches]

My personal preference would be 991.2 > 992 The 992 does honestly feel more modern, and it feels like it could easily wear the badging of another manufacturer sadly. That said, I'd go for a 991.1 > 991.2 because [NA] > turbo 991.1 > 997.2 > 997.1 > 991.2 > 992 I drive a 996.1 and would love to upgrade once I can afford it.

[@michaelp6794]

I had a 997.2 Turbo manual traded it in on a 991.1 Turbo S (both convertibles). I have been looking at the 992.1 Turbo S convertible since they came out and the only thing I like is that it is new. I dislike the rear end. I dislike the shaver-looking shifter. The dash is too digital. Also, it just keeps getting bigger and heavier, which I dislike as well. I may just get a 992.2 Turbo S convertible with low mileage and keep it for a long time, but honestly, I'm not sure yet. I know while the interest rates are up and the used 992 prices are this high, I'm waiting it out. 2021 992 TTS convertibles are still selling at about 85-90% of the new MSRP. Ridiculous for a 4 year old car. To answer the question, to me the 991.2 is a better looking car.

[@ferdl7940]

991.2 T because it’s narrow body, a better overall shape and the interior is more of a classic look.

[@beedoox5613]

I don't like contemporary Apple look, and I have a 992 GTS manual. Compared to the 992 PDK, it's night and day for road driving pleasure (for me).

[@GTPoor]

I’ve been seeing your old 992 T driving around here in Charlottesville.

[@Rennthusiast]

That’s cool. I think the new owner reached out or commented and I think k for some reason I lost the comment before I had the chance to respond.

[@BertShackleford]

[Sighs] Knowing that Will only pulls commentary from FB. FWIW, KZbin is the _only_ social media I am willing to entertain. Never have and never will touch another platform. If you read the Privacy Agreement, then you would reconsider too! Nevertheless, I do appreciate these videos on the Porsche community. Always fun to see the ever-evolving dynamics of the fickle Porschephile. _"We are a puny and fickle folk. Avarice, hesitation, and following are our diseases."_ *~Ralph Waldo Emerson* Stay classy my friends.

[@Rennthusiast]

I hear you but it seems like a ton of Porsche people are on FB so a good place to get info. Also a great place to buy and sell Porsche stuff. Finally, my life isn’t that interesting so I am not worried about them monitoring my activities. The cell phone companies already know everything anyway. 😄

[@BertShackleford]

​@@Rennthusiast No worries, brother. I completely understand. Tis a blessing and a curse having knowledge of the inner-workings "behind the curtain" so to speak. This is why I am retiring at the end of 2024. Long before the normal retirement age I might add. I need to "get out" with the little remnants of health and sanity I have left. Unfortunately, I will never truly be _"off"_ as my wife likes to say. I am hoping the forthcoming acquisition of a new Porsche/Quadrifoglio/Z06 will allow me to preoccupy my time long enough to give me a brief moment of reprieve. After all, I was a car guy long before I became the man I am today. _"Once you are ON - you are _*_always_*_ on. Get over it or get out now!"_ *~Instructor V (1944-2006)* Stay classy my friend.

[@Rennthusiast]

@BertShackleford I prefer to not think about it tbh. Just a buzz kill and can’t do anything about it. Power and greed man. Thanks for watching!

[@haochen5973]

I had a 718 Spyder manual. Then a 991.2 C4S w/ x51 pack. Drove the 992. Not impressed with the 992. Some interior elements felt cheap and rear design not as cohesive as 991. Also fake exhaust finishers on a 100K+ car? Really? IMO 991.2 was peak 911.

[@andrewbrown8206]

Regularly drive base/S/GTS 992’s back to back with my high spec PCCB equipped 2018 991.2 S and I just think the 991.2 is better built and sounds better

[@gilbertferguson1685]

Got an offer from the dealer to trade my 991.2 Carrera for a 992 Carrera 4. They want my car and $90k. No thanks.

[@ericocasio2877]

I own a 991.2 but my attainable dream car would still be a 992z specifically a 992 S.

[@ngkeong3387]

Dont get the 992s.. will regret if you're an enthusiast . If you're normal driver looking for comfort 992 is good. I owned a ferrari 488 , 718 cayman gts , now a 992.. absoulutely dissapointed the way this car feel. Its just an super expensive mercedes

[@biznatcho7]

Given that this channel leans heavily air cooled, it should come as no surprise that the commenters hate the new stuff. Porsche’s sales numbers and ADMs demonstrate that it’s a hit with buyers though. That comparison to the 996 is wild, especially when one considers that the 996 has had a renaissance with enthusiasts in the past couple of years.

[@Rennthusiast]

I think you’re right about air cooled bias but I also know that I have seen a lot of channel growth around water cooled content, which tells me some percentage of viewers are into the newer stuff as well. Thanks for watching!

[@acepilot2474]

992 maybe last of the manuals.

[@ppcory9213]

Had a dark grey 992 with black interior, then sold it for a 991.2 GT Silver with cognac/espresso interior PLUS a 997.2 carrera white with carrera red interior... for the new combo, every penny of it

[@robsandberg9212]

Insane deal….

[@millenbop]

Older is better, so the 991.2. Having said that, I really miss the air-cooled content.

[@Rennthusiast]

I have some 993 content coming very soon.

[@gonzalosanabria2251]

My 991.2 is truly amazing and 992 looks cheaper plastic on the inside

[@TheZakk28]

997 Turbo in a 6 speed for me please 💯

[@Rennthusiast]

Great cars.

[@derekwhoelse8359]

Time will come that a second hand 991.2 is more expensive then a 992 100% sure about that.

[@johnwilliams727]

Fun vid

[@millett12]

991.2 4 gts everyday

[@randallbiang6012]

Okay maybe it’s the mood I’m in today but why is everyone after perfection. There is no such thing in a production car. It doesn’t exist. The only way to get even close is to build it from the ground up and even then it’s a pipe dream. Yes the 991.2 has some features that are desirable and the 992 also has some features which are better than the 991.2. Why can’t we just enjoy the cars for what they are and stop dumping on them.

[@larrylee9108]

In my opinion, air cooled is the way to go 100%.

[@Rennthusiast]

I think you go with an air cooled sitting alongside a 991.2 Carrera S and you're in fantastic shape. Bases covered.

[@timmy22withan38]

992 cool 😎

[@marcandrecoutu4798]

Well if Julian goes air cooled, he won't have money left for girls and coke, those models aren't cheap these days.

[@Rennthusiast]

😂

[@KevinFlory993]

992 for me. If I want to be more connected, I will take my 993.

[@Anonymous-k5r3b]

Either 991 or 992 as long as it is somewhat restrained. The 992 GTS RS and ST at my Porsche dealer look like full size hot wheel cars that could make even a Ferrari blush.

[@chuck121370]

Owned both and to me, the 991.2 interior is looking very dated and I personally prefer the newer 992 interior and the updated exterior styling.

[@89vette1]

I have both and really prefer the interior of the 991.2

[@Zuffenhouse]

718 GTS 4.0

[@gregsaga682]

Have my Amazon green 964, will never own another Porsche. Great videos, do more air cooled again.

[@Rennthusiast]

993 stuff coming soon.

[@johnomahoney7755]

They both are Porsches, better than owning a Nissan .

[@craigyirush3492]

992 definitely does NOT look better! 991 is best looking water cooler imho. Drove a 992 Carrera S at PECLA and it was very fast. Agree about iPad dashes, but at least they integrated the screen into the dash rather than sticking it on top.

[@Mac-pluto]

Stop it. 991 is not good looking and interior is outdated. 992 is better in every way

[@craigyirush3492]

@@Mac-pluto outdated lol.

[@tonytp-l3j]

​@@Mac-plutoAgree, 992 has much better rear taillight, widebody, interior and tech

[@Hmmm313]

992 is better. Nicer. Hotter

[@GarthGoldberg]

Air-cooled AND die-of heat stroke.

[@Pepper-911]

Between a 991.2 and a 992.1 is simple. Just buy a 991.1. Period.

[@exc911ence_channel]

Neither. Both generations have grown too big and have moved too far away from what a 911 should be.

[@YumboYack2521]

I agree. -sent from my Nokia flip phone and written on my Brothers typewriter

[@sueddo2634]

@@YumboYack2521lmao

[@RayNLA]

At 300 lbs I appreciate the larger size. No carbon buckets for me!😂❤

[@louiscipollo7766]

I traded a 991.2S for a 992S. Both great cars but the 992 takes the honors.

[@andrewbrown8206]

the 991.2 has the same wheelbase as the 718 Cayman

[@Gungaganoonga]

Ive had them all. The 992 interior is too tech. The seats dont fit good. Instruments on outside blocked by steering wheel. Dangerous touch screen. Eye off the road. Went back to a 991.2 from a 992. 992 is more modern but i dont want a tesla. All this move tword battery/ hybrid is anti 911 Porsche is pushing me away slowly.

[@briani3599]

Both.

[@timmy22withan38]

991.2 due suspension double wishbone,

[@flsupraguy]

Easy, the 997 😂

[@madfemurfast]

991>997>992>996 That said, I cannot afford either one 😅

[@z4mqp32]

991.2 for sure. Many aspects are covered. 992 design front and back is not great. Cheap looking. Back too high for 911, looks like a Panamera. Interior… Desaster. No analogue which is a crime as digital will age soooo poorly. 992 100% is the next 996. Nobody will like or want it!

[@wudaniel3096]

Neither, go 991.1 3.8

[@MrGray-ls7iy]

I really enjoy your content.....from one North Carolinian to another.

[@MagnumBTS]

991.2. screens and design feel cheaper. real looks too fat and bulky. just got a .2!

[@TTT-1961.]

I like them all, and love the evolution. Will be buying the 992.2 GTS

[@nolanfreeland7227]

I have always thought the 992 is our generations 996

[@carlosalvarez4641]

The 992 is a step closer to a Tesla 😢. 991’s, particularly the 991.1 or earlier 911 gens is where the real driving deal is.

[@SamGSD]

992 is perfect if buyer is looking for a two-door Panamera.

[@Rennthusiast]

😂