Porsche GT1 versus McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans 1996

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@ErwinSchrodinger64
@ErwinSchrodinger64 6 жыл бұрын
NA 6.0L 48valve V12 against a 3.2L twin turbocharged Flat-6... what a deeply fascinating fight in engine technology. Add the visceral sounds of engines screaming to high redlines and flames shouting out due to compression... a deeply missed era. These cars have become more beautiful as time has passed.
@iwantanaivanovic2962
@iwantanaivanovic2962 4 жыл бұрын
It was not only about those powerplants. It was farther: a GT road car vs a Group C prototype derived track chimaera.
@ESKATEUK
@ESKATEUK 4 жыл бұрын
ErwinSchrodinger64 couldn’t agree more. Back when there was different types of cars racing each other, some NA, some turbocharged.. was so much more interesting to watch.
@jacobcooper7257
@jacobcooper7257 4 жыл бұрын
Spoken like a true scholar
@SuperLisandro86
@SuperLisandro86 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche always made miracles in terms of engineering. How a rear engine-real wheel drive "street" car with a flat 6 cylinder can compete and even beat a middle engine V12 supercar is a prove that they mastered motorsport.
@alexjohnward
@alexjohnward 4 жыл бұрын
@@SuperLisandro86 Carbon brakes.
@deadseriousforsure
@deadseriousforsure 8 жыл бұрын
Future race cars will never look as perfect as these were.
@mo-hammadabunaser1367
@mo-hammadabunaser1367 8 жыл бұрын
Look up the Praga R1R.. Great modern design in my opinion!
@daviewavie112
@daviewavie112 8 жыл бұрын
deadseriousforsure legendary
@TodunOlusola
@TodunOlusola 7 жыл бұрын
Mo-hammad Abunaser but that's not a GATE is it or is it.
@mo-hammadabunaser1367
@mo-hammadabunaser1367 7 жыл бұрын
Tod 1 GATE??
@TodunOlusola
@TodunOlusola 7 жыл бұрын
GTE sorry, damn autocorrect got me again
@Monty-sd6tc
@Monty-sd6tc 9 жыл бұрын
That's a battle...
@h5skb4ru41
@h5skb4ru41 6 жыл бұрын
*I WILL GO ALL OUT UNTIL THE END!* *Mashes accelerator pedal
@viniciusbaptista2600
@viniciusbaptista2600 4 жыл бұрын
#becauseracecars kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3Ooc4xpatubi5Y
@rayhanrizvi334
@rayhanrizvi334 3 жыл бұрын
You can clearly see which is better at handling and which is better at accelerating
@matthiaskettner6686
@matthiaskettner6686 5 жыл бұрын
Thats more overtaking in one Minute than in a whole formula one race in 2019! Edit: guys.. it was a joke.
@muitobomamigoireirir.8282
@muitobomamigoireirir.8282 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@1987LOZ1987
@1987LOZ1987 5 жыл бұрын
Season... lol
@miklu26
@miklu26 4 жыл бұрын
Isnt there most of overtaking than ever in current f1...
@mynameisjeff9312
@mynameisjeff9312 4 жыл бұрын
There have never been as many overtakes as right now in f1...
@xeigen2
@xeigen2 4 жыл бұрын
iT'S NoT ReAl oVeRtAkInG BeCaUsE Of dRs
@sutats
@sutats 3 жыл бұрын
Some say that they are still overtaking each other today.
@tommyb6611
@tommyb6611 8 ай бұрын
the neverending battle of handling versus power. Power goes onto straights winning and then losing in the curves. I mean look how much 50% wider the porsche is while the rocket Mclaren f1 being the fastest of it's era I thinkg Veyron managed to beat it only a decade later and with severe effort building an extemely more complicated machine
@ChawkoSnap
@ChawkoSnap 8 ай бұрын
Days go by! Still I think of you!
@MintyNoodle
@MintyNoodle 3 ай бұрын
Yeah
@pctshooter
@pctshooter 8 жыл бұрын
What a contrast in performance setup philosophy.
@imadude85
@imadude85 8 жыл бұрын
As a modified road car, the Mclaren F1 GTR have slower cornering speed compared to the purposely build for race Porsche GT1. But it has a faster straight line speed. The 97 Mclaren F1 GTR Longtail have improved cornering speed with a slightly slower top speed than the 96 GTR.
@nikomoin7604
@nikomoin7604 7 жыл бұрын
imadude85 the road f1 is a modified race car not the other way around
@nielsmeijer3152
@nielsmeijer3152 7 жыл бұрын
Not true, it is a modified road car. Mclaren F1 was designed for the road, but since the economy was so bad Mclaren had trouble selling them and converted a few of the chassis to race versions.
@Glimiril
@Glimiril 7 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of videos posted on youtube from McLaren themselves on the history of their car, that it started as a road car and was the OWNERS that wanted a race car variant. What came next became motoring history.
@Glimiril
@Glimiril 7 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGnUqnxtgdKMqKM : McLaren at LeMans: Pursuit of Perfection (Documentary)
@gerardjaleo381
@gerardjaleo381 11 жыл бұрын
it seems the 911 had better braking and cornering while the f1 had better traction and acceleration...or it was just this part of the race, I completly ignore that
@LarsAgerbk
@LarsAgerbk 10 жыл бұрын
the gt1 is not a 911. It has the engine in the center.
@gerardjaleo381
@gerardjaleo381 10 жыл бұрын
true. they had to call it "911" and sell a few dozens of it so porsche could get the homologation from the fia and get to race the lemans race with the gt1
@LarsAgerbk
@LarsAgerbk 10 жыл бұрын
Gerard Jaleo ah okay didn't know that. I was thinking of the Porsche Carrera GT but apparently it is also related to this car.
@gerardjaleo381
@gerardjaleo381 10 жыл бұрын
yeah if I remember well, they took profit of the chasis or engine technology. this way the porsche carrera gt wasn't going to be able to race officialy at any championship (probably because porsche wasnt interested in doing so).
@Mystyfication
@Mystyfication 10 жыл бұрын
Gerard Jaleo well.. 911 existed before this one. It was called too the GT1, but the road version of 25 pieces
@N3rdburgring
@N3rdburgring 11 жыл бұрын
F1 driver seemed more aggressive on corner exit while the 911 driver seemed more aggressive on corners themselves. So cool to watch.
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 3 жыл бұрын
I think you must be the only smart person in this comment section.
@godsinbox
@godsinbox 3 жыл бұрын
looked like F1 driver doesnt know his brake marker points. He Brakes way too early and timidly. Looks like a main driver in the porsche and a fill in driver in the McL
@ljamieson0581
@ljamieson0581 3 жыл бұрын
@@godsinbox it's not that he doesn't know where to brake it's that the McLaren has better traction so he knew that if broke earlier he could get the porsche after a corner entirely from traction and the instant power from the NA V12
@godsinbox
@godsinbox 3 жыл бұрын
@@ljamieson0581 nope. nobody drives like that. you defend your position or your team manager fires you. he is not there to increase the show. there must be another explanation - overheating brakes, full tank, rookie. corners are totally capitulated. how long was this race anyway?
@GearzMonkey
@GearzMonkey 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to turbo lag
@es-ed5ug
@es-ed5ug 5 жыл бұрын
the 80s and 90s were a great time for racing
@MrMerc300se
@MrMerc300se 3 жыл бұрын
Just think about DTM :-)
@Orcawhale1
@Orcawhale1 8 ай бұрын
They weren't.
@alexshank1414
@alexshank1414 8 ай бұрын
They were.
@bottomtext593
@bottomtext593 7 ай бұрын
They indeed were.
@ignatiusjreilly1287
@ignatiusjreilly1287 7 ай бұрын
Not only for racing, sadly
@salmanazam9444
@salmanazam9444 2 жыл бұрын
I just love the way each of them is playing to their car's strengths. The McLaren lets off the throttle a bit early before the corner and lets the Porsche through because he knows taking too much speed into the corner will lose him more distance than simply giving it up and taking it back immediately after the corner. The Porsche driver is just so confident in taking every turn. And just look at how dainty the cars look, there is charm in their shapes/designs.
@baujahr90er
@baujahr90er 11 жыл бұрын
what a fight.... too bad motorsport has got a lot more boring...
@MC-Racing
@MC-Racing 10 жыл бұрын
clearly you did not watch Le Mans 2014.. that was racing glory!
@baujahr90er
@baujahr90er 10 жыл бұрын
clearly you did not saw that i posted this comment about 5 months ago ;)
@MC-Racing
@MC-Racing 10 жыл бұрын
i didnt excatly, but i did consider it a possibility. but i think Le Mans has been exciting all the time. its one of the last good races.
@baujahr90er
@baujahr90er 10 жыл бұрын
yes that is true, actually i think all three 24h races (spa, le mans and nürburgring) are great and nice to watch but other than that, motorsport has become very boring like f1
@MC-Racing
@MC-Racing 10 жыл бұрын
agreed, i dont watch anything other than Le Mans. maybe i should se if i can find a feed of the other endurance races :-)
@stevenjackson8226
@stevenjackson8226 11 жыл бұрын
It still surprises me how successful the McLaren F1 was. It was designed as a road car, albeit a very high performance one by one of the very foremost racing car shops ever. But that it could take overall wins from purpose built, all out race cars is still impressive.
@bigone6814
@bigone6814 6 жыл бұрын
The McLaren F1 was created by the God of car design with the support of one man with chronic OCD and another man with more spare cash to blow on the greatest car the world will ever see, than I'll earn in 1,000 lifetimes.
@SangheiliSpecOp
@SangheiliSpecOp 6 жыл бұрын
It was so ahead of it's time... I love the seriousness and co compromise approach to it's design
@barsozbek744
@barsozbek744 5 жыл бұрын
The succes of macca f1 is due to incredible wet drive of mavelous J.J.Leheto at night.
@michealangel1556
@michealangel1556 5 жыл бұрын
Murada except pagani is more luxury and weighs more when building this car they wanted a super light car like a Porsche that could handle turns and be nimble but they wanted a car with a lot of torque that’s why the compression ratio is of the charts but they also aimed for hp too take down those muscle cars with crate engines so they used the 750is v12 and Enlarged the pistons for more strength
@omarsabir3272
@omarsabir3272 4 жыл бұрын
@@michealangel1556 A Pagani Zonda weighs very little more than a F1. The Pagani interior looks luxurious because it looks beautiful but is still very mimimal, mainly bare carbon and a small amount of leather, just like the F1.
@perfectdiversion
@perfectdiversion 5 жыл бұрын
That McLaren f1 can out accelerate that GT1 but clearly loses to the GT1 in braking. The GT1 can stand on the brakes where the F1 can't. Good match up
@jaywoodley6639
@jaywoodley6639 5 жыл бұрын
If the Porsche wasn't using the slip stream we would c the real speed difference
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 3 жыл бұрын
You don't think it had anything to do with the drivers, do you?
@ZA-7
@ZA-7 3 жыл бұрын
@@thethirdman225 strategy aswell.
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZA-7 What strategy? Team strategy? Driving strategy? People talk about this as if it was only the machines and never consider the skill of the driver.
@ZA-7
@ZA-7 3 жыл бұрын
@@thethirdman225 wtf? are you mad b ch?
@franklin7962
@franklin7962 6 жыл бұрын
Flame from Porsche, Sound from Mclaren. When we gonna see that again? Plz Santa, I'll be a good boy
@oldsoul7792
@oldsoul7792 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's safe to say that the Pinnacle of car racing has come and gone.
@squilldx5055
@squilldx5055 5 жыл бұрын
Wait until the hyper car class to see for sure
@oldsoul7792
@oldsoul7792 5 жыл бұрын
Squill DX yeah but now have everything is so suffocated by rules and regulations back in the day it was almost like there is still figuring out the limits of what was safe which made it so entertaining to watch
@squilldx5055
@squilldx5055 5 жыл бұрын
@@oldsoul7792 I think that's because they did figure out what's safe and are still pushing. I feel like if Webber and Dumbreck never had their shunts we wouldn't have the aero and ridiculous corner that we have today. But I wont lie, BoT is way too much in favor of hybrids right now. Toyota ran away with the 24h both years but i suppose thats alo what caused a change in regulation along with Audi, Porsche, and Peugeot dropping after the death of diesel
@fredriksvard2603
@fredriksvard2603 5 жыл бұрын
Old Soul did you watch this year's nurburgring 24h?
@qlus
@qlus 4 жыл бұрын
Group B rally needs to come back aswell
@fredakml2459
@fredakml2459 5 жыл бұрын
Back then supercar and hypercar are meant to be on ractrack,not to be keep in garage waiting to be an antique
@repeatrepeatrepeat
@repeatrepeatrepeat 5 жыл бұрын
FINALLY! Fed up of these "collectors" buying the greatest cars only to let them rot in their garage. Human greed...
@billnye7745
@billnye7745 4 жыл бұрын
Every owner has the right to do whatever they please with their vehicle. You cry about them keeping it in a garage while they cry about how others put miles and abuse theirs. I’m all for putting miles on a car but they’re all about preservation, making a profitable return, and see the car as a piece of art.
@iDeondrae
@iDeondrae 4 жыл бұрын
Someone summed it up quite well... it’s like saving your pretty and dream girlfriend to be ready for the next man
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 4 жыл бұрын
@@billnye7745 We have different purposes why we buy cars. Fred AKML was right nothing to cry about. If you buy these cars and use it for more than 1 Million miles it means you have to money to maintain it.
@TheBlaert
@TheBlaert 3 жыл бұрын
The thing about the F1 nowadays is that they're prohibitively expensive to maintain and run. That's the main reason people don't tend to use them much. If I had a car worth 25 million I'd probably think twice before driving it
@philnleblanc6664
@philnleblanc6664 7 жыл бұрын
2 great drivers pushing these incredible cars to the limit....what an incredible battle. It’s really a win win for all car enthusiasts!
@luanshaqiri1611
@luanshaqiri1611 10 жыл бұрын
That BMW V12 engines rules! :-)
@gsymdzd1
@gsymdzd1 8 жыл бұрын
That v12 screaming and the gt1 turbo spool are just amazing! This clip is wonderfull
@redsn0LIVE
@redsn0LIVE 8 жыл бұрын
Which car had the BMW engine?
@apollo305shade
@apollo305shade 8 жыл бұрын
The Mclaren
@redsn0LIVE
@redsn0LIVE 8 жыл бұрын
***** ever?..
@redsn0LIVE
@redsn0LIVE 8 жыл бұрын
***** so why doesnt BMW put it in one of their cars?
@juliom3775
@juliom3775 4 жыл бұрын
0:01 those downshifts are epic and glorious.
@ryansmithza
@ryansmithza 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! The sound of that V12 is just beautiful!
@turbospeeder
@turbospeeder 10 жыл бұрын
Two best things on the planet. M Power and Porsche boxer.
@TechPanzer
@TechPanzer 6 жыл бұрын
Porsche doesn't build boxer engines, they're flat engines. And no, it's not the same thing.
@nikomoin7604
@nikomoin7604 6 жыл бұрын
TheZondaS the 911 has a boxer engine...
@drazenbudis7881
@drazenbudis7881 6 жыл бұрын
Niko Moin its a trap
@nikomoin7604
@nikomoin7604 6 жыл бұрын
TheZondaS they are boxer engines not flats
@ahmnope3553
@ahmnope3553 6 жыл бұрын
@@nikomoin7604 Your'e right. All 911's have boxer engines but porsche also built flat engines( or 180°-V as we call them in Germany) but they were all 8+ cylinders. The 917 for example had a 180°-V10
@vincewizz8534
@vincewizz8534 4 жыл бұрын
I remember this so well, just seeing those images brings back the exact feeling I had back then, watching and hearing those cars so close, lap after lap. Great memories, it’s just scary to see how many years have gone by since...
@piccoloatburgerking
@piccoloatburgerking 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, what a constant close call battle! This is pure racing spirit.
@StartYourEngine
@StartYourEngine 3 жыл бұрын
Got the Tamiya 1/10 RC one during christmas 1999. Some weeks later, I went back from school and my dad had fully finished the bodyshell. He also painted details and made a full custom headlights system and built mudguards to preserve the electronics. He made it looks like the artworks on the Tamyia box. 22 years later, and my RC 911 GT1 is still in a close to new condition. Proving how good the Tamiya models are. I'm sure it will be in shape to be part of the few objects I will keep in my grave. And 22 years later, this 1996 911 GT1 still my favourite race car of all time. Many thanks for the upload of this very rare footage.
@johnquintmatt1986
@johnquintmatt1986 Жыл бұрын
Take me back to these good Ole days!
@briangreen6602
@briangreen6602 10 жыл бұрын
Pretty damn good for a road car that had a wing bolted to it and went racing. F1 every time.
@briangreen6602
@briangreen6602 7 жыл бұрын
The McLaren F1 was never built as a race car first and then to be sold as a road car second. It was a road car built to the best specification possible and to therefor have capabilities to exceed GT race cars of the day by simply being built without compromise. I think both Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray said the race car wasn't an option and had to be persuaded to start the race car program after the cars had been built. Cars like the Merc CLR GT1 were race cars converted for the road - and bloody ugly and crap it is too !
@briangreen6602
@briangreen6602 7 жыл бұрын
That Merc is one ugly car - race or road, its ugly. Classic case of race car first, road car second. The genius with the F1 is that its a beautiful road car first, that also kicks the other race cars into touch. When they started playing with the F1 to make it a better race car, you got the Long Tail - uglier, but a better race car. But yes, even the ugly Merc is a fine bit of engineering. Just happens the F1 was better and came out of what should have been an inferior starting block of being a road car first. That was the genius of Murray and McLaren though.
@fsgRex
@fsgRex 6 жыл бұрын
for me the long tail looks better, like the rear more :p
@Redstoneprime316
@Redstoneprime316 6 жыл бұрын
Brian Green isn't the best phrase to describe the CLK GTR "function over form"?
@Catalina._
@Catalina._ 6 жыл бұрын
@@briangreen6602 Long tail F1 is the best looking GT1 car ever
@YOUENNNN
@YOUENNNN Жыл бұрын
Everybody is talking about those two (amazing) cars but not a single person is talking about Le Mans. It's been now 100 years Le Mans make possible this kind of stunning battles
@PressurenFlames
@PressurenFlames 5 жыл бұрын
Please don't forget: The McLaren F1 is a "road car" (even if limited to 109 cars) = a much worse basis for racing than a Porsche GT1 (designed for competition racing and only 24 cars built).
@ironsight421
@ironsight421 5 жыл бұрын
The Porsche driver was excellent..always let thr f1 in front in the straights so he can be its slipstream, then overtake in corners :)
@6rin701
@6rin701 4 жыл бұрын
Nah if he didn't tuck into slip stream, he wouldn't have a chance to catch up, as the f1 is a lot faster and has more traction. So it had to be in the slipstream
@huhuuhuh9081
@huhuuhuh9081 3 жыл бұрын
@@6rin701 yes he would. The Porsche is faster in corners, has more downforce and I think it has better traction too (idk). Still the F1 could smoke that Porsche when he reach the Hunaidières wich is a long straight
@Joe-wj1uk
@Joe-wj1uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@6rin701 a lot faster not really, you only get those speeds on long stretches. idk if we're watching the same video, they were basically side by side the first 10- seconds and the F1 was slowly creeping away. Porsche will always dominate in corners and agility
@FlavioSpirit
@FlavioSpirit 3 жыл бұрын
Boa noite !!!! Que disputa incrível. Só saudades dessa época fantástica do automobilismo. Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal. Abraço do Brasil.......
@carbonator100
@carbonator100 9 жыл бұрын
Two legends dooking it owt. Brilliant
@InTheZone85
@InTheZone85 4 жыл бұрын
owt? tf
@redcastle3522
@redcastle3522 3 жыл бұрын
@@InTheZone85 out*
@CassettePlaya1
@CassettePlaya1 3 жыл бұрын
Must be Northern English.
@BotanistOnDuna
@BotanistOnDuna Жыл бұрын
I just fucking love the 911 gt1. Especially the concept of deriving it from the production 911.
@Rex_Payne
@Rex_Payne 4 ай бұрын
Porsche 911 GT1 has almost nothing to do with the production 911. GT1 is, essentially, 962C in a 911 disguise. It's a pure race car that share almost no mechanical parts with an actual 911 except for the lights.
@BotanistOnDuna
@BotanistOnDuna 4 ай бұрын
@@Rex_Payne I'm talking about the 1996 993 based 911 gt1, it looks like a stretched bodykit 911 to me. Doesn't resemble the 962c. The 1998 911 gt1, on the other hand, is likely based on the 962c.
@Rex_Payne
@Rex_Payne 4 ай бұрын
​@@BotanistOnDuna, all 911 GT1s are based on the 962c. It is 962c under the body panels. Yes 911 GT1 do not appear as 962c on the outside - because that's exactly what Porsche intended. That's the trick. They took the purebred race car, dressed it in a road car's disguise - and sent it racing against race cars that was ACTUALLY based on the road cars. All 911 GT1s bears only visual resemblance to the other 911s (which is intended trick), but no mechanical.
@BotanistOnDuna
@BotanistOnDuna 4 ай бұрын
@@Rex_Payne Interesting, a 911 gt1 993 1996 is still on my get rich wishlist though
@mikef1848
@mikef1848 4 жыл бұрын
An era to be missed more and more in the future.. *It's beautiful!*
@spencerconio3497
@spencerconio3497 3 жыл бұрын
I saw both of these cars next to each other last year. Absolutely beautiful!
@georgeforeman9366
@georgeforeman9366 4 ай бұрын
Legend has it they are still at it today
@1894nikita
@1894nikita 8 жыл бұрын
High End, Motorsport, genius...cool...great...perfect...super!!!
@dragomirstijovic5569
@dragomirstijovic5569 8 жыл бұрын
so f*cking intense! I miss these days!
@SRTUV1
@SRTUV1 5 жыл бұрын
*More overtakes than the whole F1 2019 season*
@Krezo200
@Krezo200 5 жыл бұрын
SRTUV1 sad but true
@adithyamahesh6961
@adithyamahesh6961 5 жыл бұрын
You post this after the 2019 British GP. Nice.
@trumpjongun8831
@trumpjongun8831 5 жыл бұрын
I stopped watching F1 races after Mika Häkkinen retired. Rivalry between Schumacher and Häkkinen was so entertaining. F1 have been boring a long long time.
@TrapKelly
@TrapKelly 5 жыл бұрын
F1 is dead. Their shitty rules and warning every driver for risky driving is just bullshit. Kinda feel like F1 is rigged
@madmaxvince
@madmaxvince 5 жыл бұрын
F1's owners are not concerned about fighting for trp with other motorsports..they are fighting with WWE .. and I'm not kidding.. it's from liberty's own press release..
@giovannivattuone290
@giovannivattuone290 4 ай бұрын
Talking about design, this era of Le Mans is the best by far!
@g00dl00kinb0i
@g00dl00kinb0i 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful ! I grew up watching those fantastic races in the afternoons, after coming back from school....damn I miss those teenage years now. Next seasons were even more insane when Mercedes AMG came back to GT1 class racing with the CLK-GTR and the immortal Team Oreca Chrysler Viper GTS-R twins began dominating GT2 with that threatening 7990cc V10 ! Best years👍
@psychotictactoe
@psychotictactoe 3 жыл бұрын
The F1 is still the perfect car, seriously, 240mph in 1992!? Mind bending!
@Themayseffect
@Themayseffect 9 жыл бұрын
n/a for life!!!
@Euphorica
@Euphorica 9 жыл бұрын
Id say their acceleration was pretty equal. where the mcleran had the advantage was out of the turn with its n/a response. The turbos on the porsche likely lagged just enough for the mcleran to take advantage. But once on full boil they were pretty close.
@guifrakss
@guifrakss 9 жыл бұрын
Euphorica "mcleran"
@TwskiTV
@TwskiTV 9 жыл бұрын
Euphorica Difference is the GT1 was built purposely for racing. The F1 was originally a road car that was so good that Mclaren wanted to race it, making almost no changes. Even being a road car, it dominated the "homologated" prototypes in the '95 season.
@Normally_aspirated
@Normally_aspirated 9 жыл бұрын
Euphorica Turbo lag was definately an issue, but I think what you are seeing is more the difference between a lighter car, and a larger more aerodynamic car. The McLaren has the advantage in the slow corners because it has less mass to carry, but once up to speed, the Porsche's superior downforce gives it more grip than the McLaren.
@Porschegt-ew5yf
@Porschegt-ew5yf Жыл бұрын
@@TwskiTV wrong the f1 was designed for racing but at the time to enter a gt1 class car you had to produce around 10 I think road legal variants of the car you wanted to enter but when mclaren made their street legal version they liked it very much and sold it but it did not sell very well Porsche also did the same with the gt1 making a 993 and 996 version
@TwskiTV
@TwskiTV Жыл бұрын
@@Porschegt-ew5yf you are completely wrong.
@gordonshumway888
@gordonshumway888 4 ай бұрын
It looks like they are giving each other a slip stream to make their tandem faster than single cars. What a smart tactics.
@ktbeatty
@ktbeatty 7 ай бұрын
Something about seeing the driver through the windshield, right in the middle where the driver should be, reminds me of how uniquely special the F1 was, and still remains.
@bilgames2700bc
@bilgames2700bc 11 жыл бұрын
one of the most amazing period in gtr history mclaren up against the dominating prosche
@chinchy111
@chinchy111 8 жыл бұрын
it looks like they are playing and teasing with each other
@Xhanoir
@Xhanoir 3 жыл бұрын
-As we see on their natural habitat, a pair of these excelent specimens are performing their matting ritual, while the Male-ac Laren is showing off his brute force and sheer size of muscles, the most delicate and agile GT1 keep up when his counterpart struggles to move all his weight on the slow corners giving to the porsche the chance to maintain the pace of his delicate dance, some claim they keep this dance for 24 hours if needed.
@D-Ruys
@D-Ruys 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing those flames from the porsche
@dimitriwhite9150
@dimitriwhite9150 2 жыл бұрын
I used to as a kid get up at the crack of dawn go down stairs turn the tv on sky motorsport channel 413 sit & watch this. Leman racing.
@R9naldo
@R9naldo 2 жыл бұрын
The whine of the Porsche and the scream of the McLaren. Beautiful, this is what a modern car should look like too
@DigitalHippie77
@DigitalHippie77 10 жыл бұрын
Amazing porsche!!!
@davisdegarbo
@davisdegarbo 10 жыл бұрын
Great find! A testament to what both manufacturers can do, but Porsche can still do it a bit better in my opinion due to the fact they use only 6 cylinders. Both of these race cars are legendary champions!
@ZKozak-hp5vb
@ZKozak-hp5vb 10 жыл бұрын
Porsche was turbocharged, 3.2L vs naturally aspirated 6.1L v12 of the mclaren. Forced induction increases the displacement (14.7psi = 1 bar air pressure at sea level)…I don't know the amount of boost the Porsche had, but multiply 3.2 x (boost/ 14.7) and you get the displacement…14.7 is quite low, and would double the displacement (thus 6.4L)…that's how naturally aspirated vs turbocharged/ supercharged works. It's displacement, not cylinder count.
@davisdegarbo
@davisdegarbo 10 жыл бұрын
Forced induction does not increase displacement! It stresses the engine to produce the output of a larger engine without adding the extra size and mass of a large displacement engine. In this case you are getting double duty out of each cylinder because it is compared to an engine with double the amount of cylinders.
@ZKozak-hp5vb
@ZKozak-hp5vb 8 жыл бұрын
A 4 liter, 4 stroke engine will go through the equivalent of 1L per stroke, the volumetric mass is 14.7 lb/in for air at sea-level (1 bar). The CFM is what matters, if the CFM of a turbo is rated as the same as the engine, the engine is this receiving twice the volume of air, and fuel. The displacement that engine goes through is thus double, if twice as much air and fuel is being forced into it. It doesn't mean twice the cylinders, it means twice the displacement. There are 1.5L 4 cylinder cars, and 1.5L V12 Ferrari's in the early days of F1. Why do you think all of these modern turbo cars can't get real-world number to match their epa ratings? The engine is more stressed, and the effect of adding a higher volume of air into the engine effectively means you need more fuel to maintain ~12-1 A:F ration. This isn't taking into account the added heat-loss turbo's have over N/A engines (the Bugatti Veyron engine actually 4,000 hp, 2,000 lost in heat - hence the 16 radiators, and 1,000 in friction).
@tarkovclipz3779
@tarkovclipz3779 5 жыл бұрын
All Motorsport is, is genius developers who build the baddest cars they can, then they have an adrenaline pumping human push their masterpieces to the limit. Such an amazing concept, so much more that goes into this sport than people think.
@fernanmateos
@fernanmateos 3 жыл бұрын
The greatest winner of this video is us, the viewers :)
@alexandervanwyk7669
@alexandervanwyk7669 5 жыл бұрын
Waau insane battle. Always nice to peep back into the archives.
@gowillem613
@gowillem613 4 жыл бұрын
Wat een heerlijke tijd was dit. Wat een geweldige commentator was dit ook. Uren naar geluisterd en gekeken!
@ikt32
@ikt32 3 жыл бұрын
This looks more exciting than the entirety of all wheel-to-wheel action in the 2020 F1 season.
@josj15
@josj15 10 жыл бұрын
motorsport in general is just not as exciting now as it was in the past
@SimonZellox
@SimonZellox 8 жыл бұрын
go away grandpa
@jowinkelhock
@jowinkelhock 7 жыл бұрын
It's true.
@edgiestofcars
@edgiestofcars 5 жыл бұрын
jowinkelhock Toyota VS Porsche VS Audi
@NubletPie278
@NubletPie278 11 жыл бұрын
We need more of these pure race cars!
@MACRONOne
@MACRONOne 4 жыл бұрын
Heb ik destijds nog live zitten kijken, onvergetelijk. thanks 4 the footage.
@rpols22
@rpols22 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Awesome battle! Looked like the Porsche was more confident in the twisties but the McClaren definitely had the power advantage. Great video!
@nedson6503
@nedson6503 3 жыл бұрын
Wait... the thumbnail didn't over sell. It delivered 😍
@Astralwurksdk
@Astralwurksdk 10 жыл бұрын
Both cars powered by GERMAN engineering
@fhpr68
@fhpr68 10 жыл бұрын
***** Dude, you just listed the holy grail of old school super cars....I would just add F40 LM and that the clk gtr would have to be the 'SS' version.
@fhpr68
@fhpr68 10 жыл бұрын
***** Dude, you need to stop, you are going to make me break out my N64 and play World Drivers Championship videos game. :)
@Granattaaaaaa
@Granattaaaaaa 10 жыл бұрын
Great job. The engine was designed by a British bloke and so was the car. The only German car there is the Porsche
@ayouthwellspent
@ayouthwellspent 9 жыл бұрын
Granattaaaaaa Shut the fuck up. Patriotism really doesn't suit the ill informed.
@nagmashot
@nagmashot 9 жыл бұрын
***** u know that the 996 GT1 is even more rare than the McLaren F1... 25 build vs 100 build
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 11 жыл бұрын
1996 Porsche 911 GT1 LM and 1996 Mclaren F1 LM Short Tail. Up until this day these two cars costs millions of pounds and dollars! Each have a road version that costs millions. The 911 Strabenversion or street legal version, 25 of these where made has a tops speed of 378kph and 0-60 in 3.6 sec while the Mclaren LM Short Tail has 5, Mclaren F1 has 64, F1 GT has 2 and F1 GTR long tail has no road versions. Until now these will cost even more as these cars are legendary and a RARE SITE!
@mikeysavage9041
@mikeysavage9041 3 жыл бұрын
Actually there's only one road legal F1 LM long tail still around. I'm pretty sure it resides in england.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikeysavage9041 Is there a F1 GTR Long Tail for sale? I want to buy one once I become ultra rich.
@mikeysavage9041
@mikeysavage9041 3 жыл бұрын
@@awakenedsoul2638 Actually I'm pretty sure one (not road legal) went up for auction in 2019 and sold for $20 million.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikeysavage9041 Then I have to be more rich if its value will go up to $100,000,000. Why Porsche Did not produce more pieces of their 1998 911 GT1? This is the best looking 911 GT1. Did they made road versions of their 1996 911 GT1 and sold to the public?
@mikeysavage9041
@mikeysavage9041 3 жыл бұрын
@@awakenedsoul2638 the GT1 was a homologation car that raced in GT1. The homologation rules allotted a minimum of 10 road cars that could be sold to customers. Porsche did the bare minimum and built 10 road cars. The Mclaren on the other hand was designed to be a road car. However the design was so good that the bosses decided to enter it into the GT1 american le mans series and it dominated the 1996 season.
@ybetz02
@ybetz02 3 жыл бұрын
For some people its Art, or Music..for me and probably you too, it’s this. Absolutely beautiful
@Suvantador19
@Suvantador19 3 жыл бұрын
The ultimate matchup. Both cars are legendary, along with their drivers.
@Mackorocket
@Mackorocket 11 жыл бұрын
Mad props to those two drivers!!!
@WB_19
@WB_19 9 жыл бұрын
if only the F50GT1 was there too
@hertzwave8001
@hertzwave8001 8 жыл бұрын
it would have raped everything there
@АлексейКастевич
@АлексейКастевич 6 жыл бұрын
@@hertzwave8001 doubt it..
@jamesji8574
@jamesji8574 6 жыл бұрын
F50 is so underrated.
@Toxic2T
@Toxic2T 6 жыл бұрын
@@АлексейКастевич Yes it would.
@АлексейКастевич
@АлексейКастевич 6 жыл бұрын
@@Toxic2T it wouldn't. 911 GT1 is basically a prototype and keep in mind that Ferrari would've been with FIA mandated air restrictor (so are Porsche and Mclaren) and that fades F50's advantage.
@haykojan6590
@haykojan6590 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the most elegant dance duet the world will ever see 👌🏽
@TommyTarkov
@TommyTarkov 2 жыл бұрын
i was there live almost 1000 years ago and i will never forget it
@Pulsonar
@Pulsonar 4 жыл бұрын
Now that’s what I call racing! In that short clip you could see the strength and weaknesses of each car and its setup, on the assumption the expert racing drivers are considered equal.
@RaimaNd
@RaimaNd 4 жыл бұрын
Seller to the customer: "So after you saw what these two cars can, which car do you want to buy?" Customer: "Yes"
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche 911 GT-1 no questions asked.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@James Wheeler Why? Because it is the fastest? Porsche 911 GT-1, there is no doubt about its performance.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@James Wheeler A fanboy. Respect someone's likes. Porsche is what I want that is why I chose it. One time winner versus more than 20 times winner ha ha ha ha! People always choose the fastest to win arguments. I ain't being a fanboy I only said here which car I like.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@James Wheeler I like the Mclaren F1 GTR Long Tail if I will choose a version of the F1 to own but in this race I choose Porsche 911 GT-1. This one have a road version also the 97 year model. I was a little bit disappointed that the 98 Le Mans 24 Hours winner was not given a road version for sale, only 1 piece for homologation following the rules before it can be entered in the race. I did not watch or did not have the chance to watch the full race of 95 - 99 Le Mans 24 Hours season to see how the F1, 911 GT1, CLK-GTR, NSX-GT1 and GT2, Skyline GTR-LM. R390 GT-1, Panoz Esperante GTR-1, Lister Storm V-12 and Toyota GT-One performed in the race. Mclaren only one it once during the 95 season and won a few races. 911 96 and 97 lost, Porsche was disappointed and got the win during the 98 season with the 911 98 year model. I am sure from 96 to 99 the F1 did not even finished the race from 1st to 10th place. The race is too much for it even if it was the fastest car during the 90's because there are many fast cars in the GT-1 Category. Funny that the BMW V-12 LMR won during 99 because Toyota just have a blown tire but if not because of the blown tire they should have won their first ever Le Mans 24 Hour race.
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 3 жыл бұрын
@James Wheeler During the 90's if Toyota did not had such bad luck, quickly after the Mazda 787B won Le Mans 24 Hours in 91 the GT-One quickly became the second Japanese Car to win the famed and most prestigious Gran Tour Racing Le Mans 24 Hours. Yeah right 95 - 2000 was a legendary time for legendary cars to be born. Let me include the F-40 LM and GTE which actually entered the race from 92 to 96, correct me if this was a mistake. F-50 GT was made but was never entered in any race. A limited edition Ferrari that was a failure and wasted potential that was never used in a race. 1996 Lamborghini Diablo VT was modified by SAT from France and made the Diablo GT1. A naturally heavy super car weighing at 3,500 lbs. SAT reduced its weight to 2,200 lbs so it could comply to the regulations of the race in Le Mans. It has 655 HP but can be tuned more 755 once it enters the race. They replaced many parts with carbon fiber to make the car lighter, agile handling and faster acceleration and top speed. It was written in wikipedia that the F-50 GT could do 380 KPH and 0-60 in 3.1 to 3.2 while performance of the Diablo GT1 was not written but someone said it could do 0-60 in 2.7 to 3.0 flat. I am sure its top speed of 340 - 350 kph stock increased up to 380 - 390 same as the F-50 GT. If the Japanese never made a gentle man's agreement that they will never make high-performance sports cars that will have more than 300 HP but actually the skyline, Fair Lady Z 300ZX and Supra did, maybe Honda made an NSX that is more than 300 HP. Maybe Nissan made a skyline that is more than 330 HP also a 300 ZX more than 320 HP and Toyota made a Supra more than 350 HP. Honda made a GT-1 NSX but the real super cars that was entered in the race was too much for it to over take and leave behind similar to the situation of the Nissan Skyline GTR R33 which was a beast of a machine but was no match to the likes of the F1, F40, 911 GT1 and CLK-GTR. The NSX and Skyline suffered the same faith that is why these two only continued its campaign in the GT2 category until Honda and Nissan retired it racing in Le Mans. Then Nissan created the R390 GT1 with 2 homologation road car. Supra was entered in GT1 but Toyota never entered it in Le Mans GT1 only in GT2. The Supra GT-1 was entered in the Super GT of JGTC within only 2 years of its season where the JLOC Diablo raced. My point here is if these models/machines was not restricted by the gentleman's agreement similar to the gentleman's agreement of Suzuki and Kawasaki during the mid 2000's of their Ninja and Hayabusa, maybe the Supra, 300 ZX Fairlady Z, Skyline GTR R-33 and R34 and NSX will be better machines in the GT-1 Category. If only Honda Toyota and Nissan made these machine reach more than 350 HP or somewhere around 330 - 350 during its time. Maybe these machines will accelerate 0-60 in 4.0 - 4.5 seconds, the acceleration of an entry level super car during the 90's and 2000's. Let us not forget the Mazda RX-7, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Mitsubishi GTO, Subaru Impreza WRX and Tommy Kaira ZZII. If these cars have more than 330 HP in stock and was attempted to be entered in the GT-1 class this is an exciting race to watch. Let us not forget the Corvette Grand Sport ZR-1 and the winner of the GT2 class in Le Mans 24 Hours Dodge Viper GTS-R, a real super car, what if Dodge decided to race in the GT1 Class with their Viper. The F-50 GT and Diablo GT1 was a wasted potential. With all of these reasons I said. It will be an exciting race to watch.
@boulevardhip-hop7556
@boulevardhip-hop7556 6 жыл бұрын
Go back when cars was iconics and beautiful .
@krwl1000
@krwl1000 8 жыл бұрын
Its a shame what racing has become nowadays!
@Logan912
@Logan912 5 жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself. IMSA, Super GT, IndyCar, and V8 Supercars are all great.
@daweller
@daweller 5 жыл бұрын
Australian Supertruck racing is the best!
@CliffNark
@CliffNark 7 ай бұрын
0:46 That V12 sound is epic
@DoctorPetrol
@DoctorPetrol 4 жыл бұрын
This video needs to be longer, much longer. Can watch this all night!
@autorack1
@autorack1 12 жыл бұрын
Group C, Porsche 911 GT1, Mclaren F1, Ferrari 333, Mercedes CLK... All great cars from a great time in racing!
@jamiecloughgaming25387
@jamiecloughgaming25387 3 жыл бұрын
They were GT1's, Group C was before...
@rocker07022014
@rocker07022014 7 жыл бұрын
I think, that was a golden age of race cars ever!
@DevasionX
@DevasionX 6 жыл бұрын
90s was a golden age of the entire automotive industry in the first place.
@prity777
@prity777 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@gearhead598
@gearhead598 Жыл бұрын
McLaren F1, my dream supercar❤.
@gl9500
@gl9500 10 ай бұрын
Watch J Leno garage on the F1 and that idea will quickly fade.
@michaelsummerell8618
@michaelsummerell8618 4 ай бұрын
The F1 certainly had the legs, but it's brakes were a notorious weak point. Must have been awesome to see these legends in action back in the day...
@billyandriam
@billyandriam 3 жыл бұрын
1996: Porsche vs McLaren 2015: Porsche vs Audi 2016: Porsche vs Toyota Porsche, truly withstanding the test of time.
@sunray959
@sunray959 6 жыл бұрын
McLaren team: Sir we need a race car for Le Mans McLaren: We have the F1 McLaren team: Formula 1 cars aren’t built to endure unless you mean the F-- McLaren: just shove a wing on it
@longtailgt
@longtailgt 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's safe to say the drivers were enjoying this as much as we are.
@FullmetalJun
@FullmetalJun 5 жыл бұрын
That McLaren F1 has such amazing sound. It's like screaming gtfo. It has the best sound of any road car. The Zonda 760 is a close second.
@NytronX
@NytronX 3 жыл бұрын
Lexus LFA and the Carrera GT make the McLaren and the Zonda sound like vacuum cleaners.
@FullmetalJun
@FullmetalJun 3 жыл бұрын
@@NytronX No way. Although their V10s are hypnotizing, the V12s of the McLaren F1 & Zonda 760 are just pure perfection
@NytronX
@NytronX 3 жыл бұрын
@@FullmetalJun I'll just leave these here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2YcnltZ81_Zqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5rKkqJ_fc9lnNE
@FullmetalJun
@FullmetalJun 3 жыл бұрын
@@NytronX Nice. I prefer the sound of the Carrera GT to the LFA, but the McLaren F1 sounds better imo
@shuffaristeffree3252
@shuffaristeffree3252 4 жыл бұрын
this is epic in motosport history,, thanks for upload
@arjun._.bbC6
@arjun._.bbC6 3 жыл бұрын
Now THAT'S a battle.
@user-jk3rh3xp7w
@user-jk3rh3xp7w 11 жыл бұрын
Le mans race was so so better in the 90's.
@kierenboimufc5940
@kierenboimufc5940 3 жыл бұрын
Or 2000-2005
@francoislegallo802
@francoislegallo802 3 жыл бұрын
Group C, Sport 3.0, Group 6 classes were faster ans better than GT1.
@kierenboimufc5940
@kierenboimufc5940 3 жыл бұрын
@@francoislegallo802 group c rules Bernie ecclestane killed it because it was bigger than f1
@dxviddc
@dxviddc 8 жыл бұрын
Greatest fight at LeMans imo
@darkmist977
@darkmist977 8 жыл бұрын
919 vs ts050 was pretty epic as well.
@weesky2000
@weesky2000 8 жыл бұрын
919 vs ts050 in mexico :)
@grosano95
@grosano95 2 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when a unstoppable force meets an immovable object. Reminds me of Hakkinen vs Schumacher at Spa in 2000...the McLaren was faster on the straights and the Ferrari was quicker at the turns.
@JesusChristisPlanetNibiru
@JesusChristisPlanetNibiru 3 жыл бұрын
This is so beautiful and perfect As I get high and pretty sure im at the stratosphere, This would put me to tears how amazing racing is. Porsche and Maclaren. Period how more savage of a race then those two. Porsche back again, always from day ONE been engineering trying and racing even again the greats like the Maclaren F1 which to this day is one of the most epic cars of all time. Jay Leno definently got a W on that one that he has been owned before this KZbin era. Respect. That porsche has my heart, such a beautiful thing and that flutter 💦 The flutter that we all go for till this day!
@flatsurfer83
@flatsurfer83 3 жыл бұрын
Die goldene Ära vom Motorsport.
@rhesaramadhan8474
@rhesaramadhan8474 4 жыл бұрын
This is the time when we must watch the entire race to see the winner 😂
@Idtelos
@Idtelos 7 жыл бұрын
Forshadowing of the P1 and the 918 spyder.
@mattl1962
@mattl1962 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. The P1 uses a V8 from the Nissan R390 GT1 program back from the same era of Le Mans the McLaren F1 was from. (With some tweaks). They also use Mitsubishi Turbos.
@TYZ.AUTOMOTIVE
@TYZ.AUTOMOTIVE 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really gunna miss the days where cars have sound and can be manual driven by people
@BC-kx5zb
@BC-kx5zb Жыл бұрын
The McLaren looks like it's floating right over ever bump, while the Porsche violently hits every bump like a jackhammer.
@StarChaser027
@StarChaser027 8 ай бұрын
Fun fact the McLaren F1 was so ahead of the big car manufacturers that they just outright stripped and copied the McLaren...both Porsche and Mercedes are guilty and now there are documentaries that prove this...the McLaren F1 changed the world. Thank you Mr Murray. 🙏🏼
@vygantas2709
@vygantas2709 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else randomly get this in their recommended?
@mdjawaideqbal2941
@mdjawaideqbal2941 3 жыл бұрын
Me. I last got it recommended when I was in college.
@gmdascensia
@gmdascensia 3 жыл бұрын
Got recommended twice, last time was around last year
@anslmrgr
@anslmrgr 3 жыл бұрын
legend has it that today they are still fighting to be first😂
@JanMichaelFranklin
@JanMichaelFranklin 11 жыл бұрын
As if they were dancing! Nice!
@NeilArmweak550
@NeilArmweak550 3 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree that these 2 cars look fucking good.
@jamie101010
@jamie101010 3 жыл бұрын
Always worth to watch this again when it pops up in the timeline
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