Porsche GT4 RS vs 992 GT3 | Flat out in the Italian Mountains

[@888mf4]

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[@plife911]

This video is amazingly well done and super on point! Very thoughtful commentary and beautifully filmed/edited.. Top job mate 💪🏻🫡

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@Askgeez]

Lovely reviews Mark. Have to say , the quality of the camera work on this was outstanding. Really enjoyable watch 👍🏻

[@888mf4]

Thanks Guy

[@slytherben]

People don't understand, in mountain driving, you shift from 2nd to 3rd and back to 2nd constantly... driving like that... the PDK is SO SO fun!! The instant shifts are exhilarating!!

[@888mf4]

Totally agree

[@daveyboy6985]

And changing gear in the middle of a corner without upsetting the balance of the car is a major plus.

[@terokallio2520]

The Spyder RS will be awesome. I've had a 981 Spyder (exhaust sound to die for, compared to any other modern Porsche) since new in 2016. Love it. Will never sell it.

[@888mf4]

I loved my 981 Spyder. In fact I just bought a 718 Spyder and missing that lovely engine noise.

[@daggidding4478]

Nice comparison of two of Porsche’s great. It really comes across that you are having some serous fun. Great video, Marc!

[@888mf4]

Thanks! Impossible not to have fun with these two cars! Thanks to Matteo for allowing me to drive both.

[@tylerdurden9765]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone else say the PDK is more engaging than the 6 SPD. A touch faster on some tracks -yes, but more engaging? not in this lifetime unless “more like a video game” is someones idea of engaging. Otherwise great video of two amazing rides

[@888mf4]

I have driven a 992 GT3 manual and PDK at length. I have also filmed with a 718 GT4 manual and PDK at length. I also share a 718 Spyder PDK with my brother. I can assure you , that if you drive back to back, you will find the PDK better suited to the engine and chassis. I prefer a manual gearbox on earlier models, and I love the manual gearbox on my 997 GT3 RS.

[@tylerdurden9765]

@@888mf4 I’ve owned Porsches with both PDK and MT and have found PDK boring after a few hours. It is certainly a great transmission technically, maybe the best double clutch available, but more engaging than the sublime 6 Spd? Unless we have a different understanding of the word engagement, I just don’t see it. Don’t get me wrong, I understand why some would prefer PDK over the 6 Spd. And yes, in the GT4/Spyder the shorter gearing of the PDK compared to the 6spd is arguably more optimal but in an ever more digitized world, the MT connects me to the car in a way no automatic can. Anyway, I certainly respect your impression and will subscribe to your excellent channel

[@michaeljkasnter]

Drive a PDK, it’s quicker than your legs/arm , doesn’t make mistakes

[@XPUNKFoCuS]

@@michaeljkasnter not about being quicker , but engagement with you and the car is better.

[@damachine3]

@888MF What does "better suited" have to do with the OP's point? He was talking about engaging the driver. BTW, I own both of these cars. I posted videos on my channel.

[@devhausstudios4377]

I’ve always loved you videos, but the quality over the years has definitely improved. Keep it up!

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! How tall are you? Did you have any issues with the bucket seats in the GT3?

[@888mf4]

I am 5ft 7in and never had a problem with bucket seats

[@SamAustin]

Loved the production quality and your passion for the cars. Great content and I enjoyed the statistics / data shown on each car in detail. Great stuff 👍

[@888mf4]

Cheers Sam

[@TheFfm2]

bravo Mark! nice reviews and video footage

[@888mf4]

Grazie

[@Dussander2]

My solution for driving bliss is 718 Spyder (manual) for the street and GT4 RS for the track (and some street). Spyder is in the garage, GT4 RS is in production.

[@888mf4]

I just bought a 2019 white 718 Spyder with a manual gearbox!!! Check my Instagram for photos.

[@PS3Cooooooool]

at the end it depends on choices and choices are preferences: i for one hate it when a typical model like a GT3 goes through changes to .1 or .2 for me i don't look for perfect handling GT3 i would rather sacrifice a little bit of that with the 4RS and have everything joyful rather than time attacking + i love rear mid-engine, compact feel and appeal, has a clear raw character and it challenges me to drive rather it drives itself and corrects me street or track + it wouldn't have revisions... this is it The 4RS will be remembered in Porsche Enthusiasts

[@gen1c8rs88]

I think that the McPherson struts are the 718 GT4 RS 's Achilles heel and cause for more unsettled handling, even with a longer wheel base than the 992.1 GT3. Plus 255/35r20 on 9's and 305/30r20 on 11's and with 27 more BHP from a aftermarket exhaust system including 200 cell HJS catalytic converters(130 BHP per litre). These would be my three changes.

[@888mf4]

The front suspension on the GT3 makes a huge difference for sure. I suspect that Porsche didn't fit them to the GT4 RS for a reason, albeit for technical or marketing reasons.

[@gen1c8rs88]

@@888mf4 Simular reasons for the pre 992.1 911 and the pre C8 Corrvette, budget and tradition, plus the 911 has to have a leg up on the Cayman😔

[@SS-oj4en]

The RS is way too loud inside manual is old school cool

[@z06van21]

@@888mf4 The front suspension isn't the issue. The issue is the REAR STRUT of the GT4 RS, while the GT3 has a multi-link. While the 992 front double wishbone makes for a grippier front, the rear suspension is where you make or break it for stability and confidence and in that area, the GT4 RS can't hang with a GT3

[@damachine3]

I own both cars and have videos of them on my channel. I just got my GT4 RS, so it's not broken in yet. 9,000 RPMs will have to wait a bit. I'll save my conclusion for then but it will be tough to beat my 992 GT3 manual in terms of pure driving pleasure.

[@carlfrederick8433]

Just the video I wanted to see since I drive in mountains and not on the track. You mentioned your preference for PCCB over iron brakes on both cars and said the GT3 steers better. Do you feel the 17 kg lighter PCCB and 10 kg lighter magnesium wheels on the GT4RS would make the mountain driving experience in terms of steering feel, acceleration, braking, and ride that much better to make the extra cost worth it on the GT4RS?

[@888mf4]

That's a great question. I think it will improve the steering as you have less unsprung mass, and of course you'll have more confidence under heavy braking. That said, I still think the suspension set up on the 992 GT3 is better and can't be matched by the GT4 RS.

[@onlyrs8111]

I buy the RS if allocations weren't crazy in the US. 100K over MSRP is crazy.

[@888mf4]

There is a very big premium in the UK too for both cars

[@Ronaldo9999ist]

Have been a subscriber for quite a while - a great video from a beautiful part of the world. I have a GT4 RS on order, about 10 days away - looking forward to the noise!

[@888mf4]

You are a lucky guy

[@addj7093]

The production quality is very professional 👏🏻

[@888mf4]

Thanks for the positive feedback

[@addj7093]

@@888mf4 you’re welcome! Thank you for the fantastic content! 👏🏻

[@verde629]

Man, just hearing those amazing exhaust noises…. Our next generation won’t understand when they all drive evs

[@magnitudecarfinance]

Great video Mark - dream drive in two dream cars!

[@SurviveTheDay]

The PDK is a brilliant piece of engineering that robs the driver of the visceral thrill that comes from a manual gearbox.

[@zuffweiss]

Regarding the steel brake: I have tracked numerous Porsche on their Hockenheim facility and never experienced a single slight fading from the steel brakes. Only reason for me would be yellow calipers and a better bite at high temperatures. That's it. But to say the steel fades and is not as good, is not really true. Especially if you compare the pros and cons of both - especially considering price.

[@888mf4]

Porsche themselves state that the PCCB are 50% lighter than the steel brakes, which is already a big weight advantage. Porsche also state that they are more effective when braking from high speed. These are facts from Porsche, not me.

[@timmietz]

Another great video! Thank you! Cannot wait to get my GT4RS next spring!!

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@mohamedmayet4522]

Thanks. Really enjoyed this comparison. 😎

[@888mf4]

Thank you

[@lamboevo474]

Thanks bro to tell everyone that Porsche is the best car ever

[@888mf4]

Porsche do make very good sports cars!!

[@stms4411]

“Does it take away some of the enjoyment (to pass on a manual)?” When the answer is ‘yes’ (as it was)….the end. Opt for the manual. Even if this is a track toy and you lose time w the manual, the main objective is to enjoy the ownership experience. Compete with your personal best and make progressively better ones. Unless you find the pdk more fun…..then knock yourself out. But I just can’t see giving up that layer of engagement

[@888mf4]

I would buy a PDK over manual for the 992 GT3 or 718 GT4. I would only opt for manual if it was a 997 GT3 or GT3 RS. I actually think the 991.2 Speedster with manual is a really good car.

[@stms4411]

@@888mf4 to each his own. You’d basically said it’s less enjoyable with the pdk. I don’t why someone would choose less enjoyment vs more enjoyment. None of us are professional race car drivers. These things are to produce fun for the driver.

[@got_gt3612]

Stop watching after you say :”PDK is much more fun and involvement than manual” 😂

[@888mf4]

I never said that. I said that the PDK is not as much fun as a manual. However that only applies to older models. With the 992 GT3 the PDK really suits the car.

[@got_gt3612]

@@888mf4 I probably miss understand, I got 992 gt3 in manual and since it’s the only manual available on any thing fast enough I must have it. PDK is faster , much faster and easier, but a bit boring for me.

[@shanescarlife]

That just looks like a perfect way to spend a day

[@888mf4]

It doesn't get much better

[@cj41079]

the symphony....utterly heaven.....

[@CLOUD316]

Very nice cinematography, background, and soundtrack + 2 Pcars what's not to love

[@yd5016]

Incredible review as always 👌🏼👌🏼

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@skydance2012]

Fantastic vid!

[@popeyepanther4519]

I love the fact that you stated the obvious. These cars need PDK. The manual gear dicussion is bollocks.

[@nickloborec1416]

@888MF would love you to compare a manual 911 gts for the street. Having the extra torque down low, a clutch to slip(with traction off, if it truly turns off) might be more enjoyable.

[@888mf4]

I have driven a 992 Carrera 4 GTS PDK in Dubai and it was lovely. However I am not a fan of 4WD cars. I am sure the 992 GTS with RWD will be fun. That said, I still think the 718 GT4 is cheaper and more fun!!

[@TheDaz2708]

This video is disgusting!! Absolutely amazing my 2 favourite cars and the colours 😍

[@888mf4]

hahahaha

[@paulnewman6307]

Iam a massive gt3 fan . But not sure on front end . And hate to say this I prefer the gt4rs. But I don't if you know what I mean . In real life gt3 front end does look better though. Great video as always

[@888mf4]

Both great cars, can't go wrong with either. I just feel like the 992 GT3 (PDK) would make a better daily driver

[@eSysmanTech]

I own a 718 Spyder (PDK) and I’ve already got my name down with the dealer for the ‘RS Spyder’!

[@888mf4]

I share a shark blue 718 Spyder (PDK) with my brother. It is a great car. I think the RS Spyder will be even better as it will be lighter and will sound better.

[@robertmaddock1813]

Cracking video, great production, dream cars, thanks.

[@888mf4]

Thanks for the positive feedback

[@josephangier9166]

Great video! What Porsche colour is this gt4 RS?

[@mdullah3084]

both my dream cars

[@only1stefan]

the gt4 rs for me all day long the gearbox sounds sharper and the gear changed more urgent

[@888mf4]

The GT4 RS delivers lots of thrills

[@sixpotshot]

On another note: the GT3 has enough more trickery to be a superior machine (reflected on track times), agreed, but in terms of dynamics, balance, neutrality and forgiveness (the impression the 911 gives you will disappear fast in a snap unprovoked oversteer exacerbated in the wet...) I would bet on the GT4 for better handling from what I know from having driven previous generations of both. The GT4 superior rawness does the rest. For the ones who can only afford one or the other (rather than both...) the differential decision would be on usage frequency: occasional - the GT4 / frequent - the GT3. The GT4 is too raw for a regular use

[@888mf4]

To be fair, a 718 GT4 with a PDK gearbox is all you really need.

[@shawarma3636]

Loves the way you say criticisms. Sooo sassy 💁‍♂️

[@1993USA]

16:05 did you say 981 Spyder? 😂😂😂. I know what you meant I gotcha, Great videos cheers and respect all Porsche Comunity, 🙏 16:11

[@ytytyt2516]

WAITING FOR DRAG RACE 🏁

[@888mf4]

I am looking forward to filming more drag races in 2023 when we have better weather in the UK!!

[@terokallio2520]

The owner of the GT3 on the PCCBs is absolutely right. The ceramics aren't actually that much more efficient. A nightmare to replace for around 15 k€ around. And 8000 € for not having brake dust. No thanks. Well, I would say that, since for these reasons I took my GT4 RS with steel brakes 🤷‍♂️😅.

[@jay_b..]

Don’t ceramic brakes last a lot longer then steel brakes too?

[@FreestylerAlbert]

The GT4RS understeer even compare to the regular GT4. It's have already complains at the nürburgring by drivers. (Hope the Manthely pack will fix it)

[@888mf4]

The GT3 is the better handling car, however the GT4 RS is more fun

[@jtocher685]

Adjust the sway bars FHS!

[@dme28]

This, what you preffer on the PDK, this exactly I hate. With PDK I changed the gears totally unneccessary, like a lunatic, with manual gearbox I enjoy the engine from lowest RPM up to above 8000, I love to keep one gear in, and listen the entire spectrum of sounds.

[@Patrick-bu5vy]

Two thoroughbred beauties. Porsche just keep on delivering.....

[@888mf4]

Incredible that they've continued to produce such track focused cars

[@AK-wr6cs]

Nice video Marky

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@michaeljkasnter]

Mr Purple couldn’t agree more about PDK!!! Manual trans is for Trucks!!! I absolutely love my Mr Purple!!!

[@frederickhalljr8947]

Excellent review BravoExcellent review Bravo

[@888mf4]

Thanks

[@ajfreshkid]

The gt4 definitely sounds better on the inside

[@dme28]

The GT3 is so nice, real beauty, the GT4 CANNOT KEEP HERE ;-)

[@salem99099]

GT3 ALL DAY LONG

[@AM-nk7it]

@4:06... allowing you to focus on the driving and not having to change gears..... Huh??? Maybe something you are not aware of: THE DRIVING IS CHANGING GEARS. You can leave that PDK for the one's that cannot drive properly with manual gearbox.

[@888mf4]

I just purchased a manual 718 Spyder as I like changing gears. However, when you’re driving a car along mountain roads at 80%, it helps to keep both hands on the steering wheel at all times and focus on the road, brakes, motorcycles!!

[@AM-nk7it]

Congrats on your purchase. However on a Mountain road is exactly where the driving is. And driving is changing gears. Like in a motorcycle changing gears doesn't interfere with the attention to your surroundings. And if it does, one needs to get that PDK because one's certainly cannot drive manual. PDK is dead. No connection with the car and only good for the ones that cannot drive manuals or racing for sure. The ONLY argument for PDK is that it makes the car faster.

[@AlbertSéchaud]

Une véritable bombe atomique 👍👍👍♥️

[@conrad9race1]

this or your 430 scuderia?

[@thegame6826]

Es mejor el azul?

[@carfan3762]

Your comments sound quite pertinent and analytical - clinical even - but the camera showing you commenting doesn’t enable the viewers to enjoy the ride in those two exceptional cars. A bit of a shame. One would wish for a bit more of a road trip. Nevertheless, thanks for your explanations.

[@888mf4]

I challenge you to film both cars and do a better video.

[@rubioalejo]

Obviously this guy is not a manual transmission fan!

[@888mf4]

Alejandro. You obviously don't follow me on Instagram and haven't seen some older content on KZbin. I own a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 which only came as a manual.

[@grey5135]

Imagine being so tiny you could literally fit on the wing of your Porsche like it's a bed 😂

[@888mf4]

I first took a photo lying on the wing of my GT3 RS 4.0 when we did a drag race against the 458 Speciale at Bruntingthorpe. No one thought the photo was real. However, there are a few advantages to being 5'7" and that's one of them.

[@scottthayer4001]

Sports cars? Mx5 is a sports car- GT3 is a super car fella

[@888mf4]

In my mind a supercar is a mid engined layout....

[@wessmith6558]

It drives me nuts that the video in the car has only the driver. In all the outside the car shots looking in, there is a passenger.

[@888mf4]

why does this drive you nuts?? it's very simple. We film most of the B roll before we film the in car footage.

[@ddaye1969]

PDK is unreal

[@888mf4]

I agree. Allows you to focus on driving the car.

[@bigstroke2069]

A thoroughly enjoyable video and I gladly subscribed... although, my ears cringed every time you said "Porshhh."

[@888mf4]

Welcome to the channel

[@corsicadidi854]

What do you prefer gt4 Rs or the gt3 ?

[@888mf4]

The one I bought

[@corsicadidi854]

Great choice

[@luxuryviplifestyle9494]

Super Thanks and we need and wish 8K Photos or videos in Real Best 8K 60fps or 120fps HDR10+ resolution clarity quality and Sound in full HD 3D Stereo Surround , Soon Please.

[@Porschelover456]

Gt4 RS all day long!

[@Wilkosnich]

One of each pretty please!

[@888mf4]

Agreed!!

[@mattjonesgt3538]

Cayman for the weekends due to noise and chuck-ability and the GT3 for track work as it’s the big daddy. 👌

[@astefani7363]

Give me a wingless lowered GT3

[@888mf4]

Also nice!

[@xhipper5987]

Splendide

[@rahimimusamuhdzakaria3445]

Porsche 911 GT2 RS,GT3 RS and GT4 RS

[@John.Christopher]

6:15 Blame European regulations

[@michal.laskowski.]

GT4 RS every single day...

[@chrisedge5007]

Gt4 for me

[@Nord_Mann]

Worlds highest spec GT4RS? @viola_gt4rs

[@888mf4]

Looks great in every colour in my opinion

[@oscardean6351]

I would skip them both and get a turbo S.🫠🤚