Porsche Taycan 4S 79 kWh range mode test

[@a_stone]

Aero shouldn't be an issue since the Taycan's drag co-efficient is lower than the Model S.

[@victorc.979]

You have to go with this car in Germany on the Autobahn!

[@treyquattro]

battery will probably last about one hour!

[@MrBasskriss]

But corona tho

[@TheBurnAlive]

better not ! People in Countries with speed limits are usually bad drivers and have no experience

[@mirkonaumann1417]

@@TheBurnAlive Björn has hammered many fast cars like Mc Hammer or Optimus Prime. So should be no any problem.

[@merzto]

wide tires increase the drag as well.

[@greggb681]

I can't believe I am going to say this, but if I had the choice, I would buy the Taycan over a Tesla Model S.

[@johnair1]

If you compare those i would say the Tesla Model has superior efficiency, more range and better space at a lower price. The Porsche Taycan has a good range, superior quick charging and the driving dynamics of a sports car. May i ask what would you make choose the Porsche?

[@FSZ83]

@@johnair1 build quality

[@AndreasErber]

@@FSZ83 Agree with you! Tested both in austria (alps) and the Taycan is way much better in Quality!! I would choose the Taycan 4S PLUS.

[@mirkonaumann1417]

As a 2nd car for fun time would be OK. As main car better a Tesla. But for both you need the money. That's hard.

[@greggb681]

@@johnair1 Seems like a more enjoyable / sporty sedan compared to the Model S.

[@MichaelKirven]

One test you missed was using Eco plus. I'd be curious to see what that disables. Thanks!

[@joetacchino4470]

Michael Kirven ???

[@Nord_Mann]

You gain ~15 km on a full charge 93.4kW battery compared to ECO in Range Mode

[@4ntig3n]

I'm happy when I see a Bjørn video that was uploaded just a minute ago :) Driving around all that leather and other interior features must surely affect the range.

[@pataa1688]

Bjørn, taycan has way more better aerodynamics than tesla model s , Cd for taycan is 0.22, for tesla though cd=0,24.

[@allisterbullock213]

More interesting numbers and discoveries, please keep testing. Geilo perhaps?

[@apkungen89]

Would have been nice to see a test at 90 without HVAC too. I don't think consumption would have been that much higher than 151 then. And the 110 test was maybe high because the cabin got cold when the HVAC was off during the test just before.

[@bjornnyland]

Are you sure about that? If we assume 158 Wh/km at 90 km/h with HVAC off, that's 50 Wh/km lower than with HVAC on. Average speed for the run was 70 km/h. Average power for HVAC would have been: 70 km/h * 50 Wh/km = 3.5 kW There's no way in hell that HVAC would pull that much power during Norwegian spring. It's more likely to be 1 kW which equals to about 15 Wh/km.

[@apkungen89]

@@bjornnyland 50 wh/km lower is when going from normal mode on drivetrain and HVAC to completely switching off HVAC and turning on range mode? Don't you think that's a reasonable number? You're probably right that it's not that much. The HVAC went down 10 wh/km from normal to eco. The 15 wh/km you're talking about is maybe when going from eco to turned off. So 90 km/h and HVAC off would then have been 175 wh/km. 151 at 60 to 175 at 90 is that really that much? An increase of 16 percent. I think HVAC off and 60 km/h in my model 3 sr+ would have been around 95 wh/km and 90 km/h and hvac off would probably have been around 120 wh/km. 26 percent increase.

[@apkungen89]

My model 3 sr+ would have been below 10 kWh/100km if I drove at 60 km/h and HVAC off. I don't think the Taycan seems that thirsty at high speed. About the same as an e-niro at 120 km/h. E-niro is boxier but lighter and smaller wheels.

[@brunomsa]

I would love to see a charge efficiency test on AC and DC @400V As it operates at 800V, I'm really curious to see how efficient is the conversion, from a regular AC charger and a DC fast charger at 400V

[@ChuckJ1944]

Range mode speed can actually go higher than that if you set it in the PCN. The actual advantage over Model 3 is > 135-150 and fast charging. Taycan still holds US Cannonball record.

[@celvsaas]

Wow, this is not good...I drove my Model S75D from Oslo-area to Strømstad in Sweden and back yesterday, lots of 110-120-130 km/h, total 300 km. Also on the return-trip there were lots of goods in the trunk ;-P . Consumption at the end was 200 Wh/km. Range mode was enabled. Temp. was 1-4 degress, and roads were mostly wet.

[@shifty277]

Great video and research in the real world, thanks Bjorn! Thumbs up.

[@EngineeringNibbles]

Those 6600$ for a larger battery really seem worthwhile

[@DG-uv3zw]

You can get at most 100km, and no performance gain(actually more weight so less fun) Car charges really fast, as long as you have 800V chargers(ouch) you`re good even on longer trips...

[@mirkonaumann1417]

Double the capacity and it will be fine. This car is already thirsty on normal speed.

[@AOTanoos22]

Dusan Gavrilovic it has many performance gains, the bigger battery has 30 kw more power output than the smaller one (390kw vs 420kw), higher charging rate (270 kw vs 225 kw) and a superior performance oriented cooling system.

[@hairadditions]

Great video. What if you try your M3P in RWD only and FWD only, does this help with consumption. I know it will have to be in track mode. Love to see a vid on this.

[@DG-uv3zw]

That could be great experiment! Hope Bjorn sees your message and investigates more on Track mode options...

[@timr.6864]

@@DG-uv3zw Track Mode V2 only simulates front / rear drive only. During normal driving without the tires at their limit of traction it will behave normal. Read: It will use the most efficient motor.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@timr.6864 Dang!

[@mrjoe12345]

The taycan is a great car but there’s one thing that seems quite annoying, the refresh rate of the digital speedometer. If you look at it closely when accelerating hard you can see it skips many numbers. That’s something i don’t like about many cars that have a digital speedometer. With Teslas the speedometer refresh at a way higher rate and that’s just so much nicer.

[@thomaskroghandersen5498]

The rear motor have a cluch, so it Can Be “Switched off”

[@kam_iko]

Thomas Andersen it was mentioned in the previous “range” video.

[@mattaut88]

Good shit 😉

[@ufleyenlerkulubu8757]

wow i would have an heart attack if i ever saw more than 17kw/100km on my E Soul

[@jeanbaptistelabelle]

Then go at normal 120-130km/h highway speed and be ready to have an heart attack.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

What’s the point of range mode on this car ? It’s about as much use as a chocolate tea pot

[@mattaut88]

it's like 20" Aero Wheels 😂

[@BillyNoMates1974]

Abraxas Tulammo whom are most likely NOT car drivers. Lol

[@Bass2Bassnet]

Why drive at the end at 60?! Keep going at 90km/h bro! Djeez

[@bjornnyland]

Jeez. Listen to what I say in the video.

[@Excell4nte]

@@bjornnyland Well to be fair, i think he means you changed 2 variables at once. You got a reduction, due to 60kph? or HVAC off?

[@Bass2Bassnet]

@@Excell4nte indeed

[@Bass2Bassnet]

Drive a tesla3 at 60... Please

[@alexklemme]

Yes, after 8 km. Not a reference.

[@DG-uv3zw]

Well, true but he was testing different modes and ac...it can definitely show the difference. Its not efficiency test by any means...

[@bjornnyland]

It's still a valid test because the results with the same settings were *very* consistent (+/- 1 Wh/km).

[@alexklemme]

Dusan Gavrilovic Yes, ok. That makes sense.

[@Nord_Mann]

Driving at 80-90 kph with 4S+ in Range Mode I used 17.5kWh on a looong road trip

[@stefanwagener]

Maybe a constant speed is not ideal for maxing out the potential of range mode if that sticks to the 2nd gear instead of shifting back and forth for the rear motor? And especially not ideal when only the front motor is used at the end :)

[@papugenas]

whats the consumption in city and how it can be compared to tesla ? Thanks

[@marjanbatic2913]

What app you have on the phone for speed,altitude??? Thanks

[@flyerman482]

Try it with air/heat completely off!..........never mind;)

[@terjes7548]

Test with eco plus, more efficent tyres and mabe more aerodynamic rims for maximum efficiency.

[@smartelectriccar]

Terje S it’s a Porsche. Drive with sticky tires and enjoy the performance. This video was only an experiment. 5:33 even a Leaf passes him

[@DG-uv3zw]

Wheels are already aero! but tires are wide...245-285!(there are even wider for Taycan lol)

[@oysteinalsaker]

Took my wife to try the Taycan. Everyone passed us on the road, even garbage trucks :-D

[@jeroenislego]

Drive faster...?

[@oysteinalsaker]

@@jeroenislego That is a good idea until she barfs all over a borrowed car.

[@joetacchino4470]

Not the car’s fault.

[@oysteinalsaker]

@@joetacchino4470 Absolutely not.

[@cyco1978]

It’s the wheels

[@treyquattro]

so one thing I don't understand: what was that about locking the rear gear ratio at 14:1 if the Taycan is only using the front motor? At what point does the rear motor kick in? This is important because it will affect the handling of the car. I'd like to know more about the understeer/oversteer characteristics due to switching power between the different motors. I realize such a test is outside the remit of this series with someone else's car.

[@DG-uv3zw]

So at the back it has gearbox with clutch!? and 2 speeds! So, in launch mode it goes 1st gear to around 100kmh(can be slight less or higher) and then engages 2nd gear! In range mode, it doesn`t use 1st gear and no rear motor power when cruising! In sport+, etc and on track, it will mainly use 2nd gear and of course both motors... It basically gives Porsche advantage on the track! Mostly at high speeds(160kmh+) where is much more agile then Tesla for instance...Even tho, top speed is the same as Tesla with 1 gear... Just to add - because of the nature of electric motors and extremely high torque and response, the managment of both axles on track is superior to ICE! It can instantly adapt to requirements.(torque vectoring) Thats why tri motor setup could be incredible to implement!(currently Tesla is soon to release 3 motor setup but many others will also...). 4 motors could be maybe even more crazy but thats much more expensive to build...(and complicated to mass produce)

[@bjornnyland]

14:1 is the *low gear*. Range mode locks it to 8:1 which is the *high gear*.

[@treyquattro]

@@bjornnyland The point was you mentioned locking the rear gear - I thought I heard you say 14:1 - but if only the front motor is being used in range mode, why bother?

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@treyquattro Rear motor is "off"only when cruising eg not accelerating or regen braking...

[@treyquattro]

@@DG-uv3zw I understand about the gearbox thanks, but in range mode Bjørn showed the car driving only using the front motor. Virtually noone in the real world is going to take their Taycan to the track so there has to be more to the rear motor than just fast launches which get boring after you've done a few. I'm assuming it cuts back in at higher velocities, on the Autobahn for instance. I expect Porsche have figured this out at the Nürburgring and on the Autobahn. Still, it's something I want to know more about, and haven't yet seen any description: other reviewers seem a bit too enamored of the launch mode.

[@garenson]

At current temperatures (15°C and sunny) I can achieve the rated range Tesla displays for my Model 3 Performance, wich is 495km (and corrosponds to 153Wh/km) if I drive 105km/h (HVAC on, without truck trailing etc.). That's 75% faster than the Taycan. That's worse than I thought, especially since this is the Base Taycan, which is slower than my car and the Performance Model being the glutton in the Model 3 range. I gladly will forfeit marginally better handling and better acceleration above 180km/h in favor of way better efficiency and monthly software updates. M3P accelerates plenty fast to 260km/h if you want to do that on the few occaisions you even have the opportunity to. If it really buggs me at some point I'll invest in an upgraded suspension (2.500€ for better handling), lighter wheels (2.000€ for faster acceleration and better handling) and better brakes (2.000€ for track use) and maybe a couple minor nicknacks like sway bars and adjustable camber arms (for better handling), which should make the car almost perfect (Basically a softcore version of Daeriks Track Model 3) and equal or better to the Taycan even on the track. My opinion: Taycan is a car for VERY rich people to have fun with at the track. Porsches are fun to drive, though there are a lot of cars that have a way better price to fun ratio. Like getting 95% of the fun for about halve the price (M3P or Lotus Elise), or 80-90% of fun for about a quater of the price (Megane Sport, Honda Civic Type R or Mazda Miata - Sadly there are no real electric hot hatches so far. I'm definitly looking forward to that segment getting filled...).

[@DG-uv3zw]

Would like just to add: M3P is significantly faster then 4s! Its on par with Turbo, just few percentage slower! Yes, at high speeds margin is bigger! M3P with those upgrades will give Turbo S run for its money!!!)I bet it can beat it on slower tracks! On Top Gear race track, Turbo S was faster ~4sec but without performance Ota upgrade and v2 Track mode for Tesla!(and top gear are Tesla haters!) Margin today is maybe

[@andreasfrose9150]

The Model 3 is just faster when you try one time 0-100. On a track you can not compare this cars. The Taycan is way faster on a race track.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@andreasfrose9150Which Taycan model is faster on track vs model 3 performance with power update and track mode? 4s?...yeah, sure it is... It can also do repetitive launches, like Raven model s with new launch mode...Its old news... Btw, m3p is faster 0-100, 0-160, 1/8 miles, 1/4 miles, 80-120, 100-160 etc, etc... It actually matches Turbo specs!(just slightly starts to lose at higher speeds)

[@babelhuber3449]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Seriously, have you been living under a rock? For literally decades we had discussions Porsche vs. Corvette, Porsche vs. BMW M models, Porsche vs. muscle cars and whatnot. It's always the same argument: "Car X does a slightly better than the Porsche Y for Z less money". And still people buy Porsches. They buy the whole package, with Porsche's racing heritage, build quality, track-ready driving dynamics and image. This costs extra and some people like this. They are called "Porsche customers". It's a highly profitable niche market for VAG. The VW ID.3 will be the first mass market model from VAG, in case you don't want to pay the premium for a Porsche...

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@babelhuber3449 I agree! Performance difference between certain Tesla models and Taycan are so small! But overall build quality, luxury, premium materials and endless customization options are what separates them! Also, the heritage, brand and exclusivity... Who wants that and wants to pay for that, then go for it. Its an amazing car...

[@Joe32942]

This Video should be named "How I justify a Porsche Taycan purchase to myself

[@Bessunger]

Rim size or Tyre width of any effect?

[@adnanhussain5288]

doyyuumm!

[@rychu1978]

It will be 1000km or Geilo test?

[@tomaszucieszynski7185]

1000m no /border issue/ Geilo??i think Bjorn need to give back Taycan , as He mentions in 'range test' live video...

[@DG-uv3zw]

He wants to do 1.000km with Turbo S! at some time...Makes sense...

[@SkyMogul]

375Wh/mile was the worst, for the Americans. As Bjørn would say, "dayyyyyyyyum!" My Model 3 isn't that thirsty even at 110 km/h at -17.8C!

[@sageakporherhe783]

AUTO

[@EinzigfreierName]

A guy in Germany tested the 4S at 100km/h with an average consumption of 177 Wh/km. I really wonder where such huge differences come from. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqWlcmhrrbmgpsk) . Tires ? HVAC?

[@bjornnyland]

He did rolling start. I started from standstill and ended up at the same place.

[@EinzigfreierName]

@@bjornnyland Hmm, yeah, that make a difference for sure. Also he didn't mention his HVAC settings. Maybe it was off completely, not sure about that. The good thing about so many different test outcomes - everybody can choose what he/she wants to believe :-)

[@EinzigfreierName]

And I wonder - at 90 km/h, is it already in 2nd gear?

[@mrjoe12345]

The wheels in the animation on the center screen (0:25) don’t match the actual wheels... imo that would be quite annoying to me

[@DavidGarciajrtx]

Bad test, do another 79kw test going at least 120km nonstop until battery is dead

[@L1GHT119]

The weight kills the range on this Porsche, and it would be even faster if it lost 500-700lbs. Its interior fits as much as my Model 3 Performance, and weighs 1000lbs more. Tesla next gen battery could be helpful if licensed to Porsche ahahahahaha. Nice compilation Bjorn!

[@DigitalYojimbo]

Permanent magnet motor sucks.

[@sonjahentrich8109]

Sorry for corection, the brand calls Porsche not Porsch😡 it sounds ugly for germans. mfg Dirk

[@bjornnyland]

Trollolol

[@mirkonaumann1417]

Porsch belongs to Schorsch and Helga. We Germans have no problems with 👌

[@sonjahentrich8109]

@@mirkonaumann1417 hello mirk , everything is ok? How is this?mfg dirk

[@sonjahentrich8109]

@@bjornnyland i am not at troll! I looked many of your viedeos. But noone call you : hello björ, how are you? Or not? Mfg Dirk

[@1979SFC]

Holy F you are blind.. it says 15.1 and 23.3 NOT 151 and 233 ;-)

[@dh2778]

He's converting to Wh/km you doof

[@timr.6864]

@@dh2778 Yes the 15.1 is kWh / 100 km while the 151 is Wh / 1 km. The later is used by Tesla so that is probably why he uses it.

[@bjornnyland]

15.1 kWh/100 km is very illogical. kWh/100 km means [thousand watthour per one hundred kilometer]. Let that sink in. 151 Wh/km is way easier. Wh/km means [watthour per kilometer]

[@costinioana]

There's nothing more illogical in saying 15.1kWh/100km than there is in saying 90km/h. Following the same logic, "90km/h" is like saying [ninety thousand meters per three thousand six hundred seconds ] - it sounds even more awful, but we use km/h nevertheless and we're not saying "the optimal trip speed would be 25m/s". It's all about which option is closer to something meaningful in people's lives and which numbers are easier to work with. How much energy you need for 100km is a lot more meaningful than how much energy you need for one km. Of course, how meaningful something is, is a matter of personal preference, so what works for most, might not work for you or me, which is why cars have always allowed to change the way the energy consumption is displayed. Besides personal preferences, however, it's far easier for people new to EVs to grasp the idea if we use familiar units.The common folk is used to kWh from his energy bill and to the idea of "consumption per 100km" from his old ICE car. If he hears 151Wh/km, it's difficult to imagine what it means. But if you tell him 15kWh/100km, he will instantly know how much that costs and how much better an EV is from a fuel cost perspective vs. the ICE.

[@eyescreamerz]

@@costinioana Very well explained.