Port Strike Talk: William Doyle, Former Fed Maritime Commissioner & Exec Director Port of Baltimore

[@wgowshipping]

🚨NOTE: I had a slight audio issue. No problem, just not at the same audio quality as other videos.🚨

[@frtls]

No worries, content is king.

[@danam0228]

It was fine 😊

[@carolinafrog4365]

didnt even notice! but thank you Sal and Bill so much!!

[@janetf9076]

No problem at all!!

[@georgedoolittle9015]

Be nice to hear if any effort underway to Unionize Tug Boat operators and crew actually for Ocean going work both as working ocean going ships arriving in the USA obviously but also as actual ocean going Tugs as those do exist now and do matter to sustaining the now massive War effort the USA has to defend Europe from a criminal War of Aggression by Putin Russia. Presumably Putin wants to interdict shipping in the USA and this is one way to do this goes without saying😊

[@indylovelace]

Sal, the man who brought shipping conversations to the masses outside of the shipping world.

[@ironiczombie2530]

Thanks Sal, love hearing from Bill and his perspective

[@jjmckay6man1]

Everyone loves automation until it is their jobs under threat.

[@CrazyGorilla99]

I’ve never loved automation lmao so no not every one

[@jjmckay6man1]

@@CrazyGorilla99 well we are among the few lol.

[@peters-adventure]

Thanks for the great neutral, non-partison discussion on the negotiation standstill between the shipping and port operator alliance and port workers for the East Coast and Gulf ports of the US.

[@rebeccaoliver7977]

Learned a lot more than listening to the news

[@fomocore]

Work the whole time during covid, no pay increase no government handout. I thank the ILU and ILWU, coast ports for keeping me employed.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

thanks for paying taxes that helped those that struggled.

[@dixie3087]

NOLA ila here: we worked through the entire Covid era. Years. And when I say we , I mean me lol. @fomocore, it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad how we went from being worthless day laborers, to “essential workers” and now back to worthless day laborers.

[@tonyf193]

I think it's a mistake using covid as a negotiating point. The ability to stay employed was a win compared to the majority of the work force.

[@lestervinghail5654]

​@@tonyf193We lost coworkers for that privilege, Gt FKed.

[@sir1junior]

​@@tonyf193 Shipping was still making pretty good profit during that time.

[@ThePsiclone]

"We're going on strike because we want to stop automation!" Best argument for automation ever...

[@JonathanNation]

that's the thing that I don't believe the Longshoremen get ... striking is the #1 reason that automation WILL happen.

[@heartofthunder1440]

@@JonathanNation well it’s a bit of both, technology has got way to far advanced, and there’s a whole generation that are going to depend on those new ingenuity and innovation that will pave the way towards future generations, but what they don’t get is they aren’t looking at the consequences involved when something messes up, and those new technologies can only go so far, and never mind about the population growth and control, covid 19 was meant as a depopulation strategy for that future. Not my idea, but that’s the point I’m getting at, bill gates and the WEF, yeah somehow everything just makes total sense while at the same time it’s nonsense.

[@dmz489]

Automation is natural, get education sad thing is most bs longshormen are not really educated post high-school. All they have is that job.

[@heartofthunder1440]

@@dmz489 I know what automation is, and you’re the one that is wrong.the whole reason why automation is being Invented is so the higher class people can enjoy life a bit after depopulation occurs. It was made to do the same or more with less people who complain

[@heartofthunder1440]

And another reason for automation is being used for, it’s as a weapon to put people out of work, forcing people to explore other ways to make their money will act similar to a death sentence, if you think for a minute that the homeless population is bad you haven’t seen nothing yet. Automation is not natural, it was made up from those highly educated people maybe to make things easier, but once in full effect, that automation can be hacked, when power goes out that automation doesn’t work, where are you going to get the people from to perform those jobs the old school way? They’ll be long gone by then.

[@carolinafrog4365]

honestly, if they want to preserve jobs" we need to be talking about expanding their footprint! Charlotte NC and other "inland ports" are blowing up around the US thanks to cities working with the rail carriers to get containers loaded onto rails and moved inland upto 800mi before being transferred to trucks! we need to be working on building offshore ports on the Atlantic Shelf and deeper water in the gulf for the big ships and moving all that freight by rail inland rather than places like Savannah GA where they are landlocked and are just a nightmare of trucks and chassis!

[@stephenboroody3049]

We can’t because there is limit from the ports to how far out. Port of Virginia has Richmond and The inland port at Front Royal that are not union labor.

[@bubbalee9759]

You dont know what you’re talking about. Savannah has the largest intermodal rail facility of any port authority in North America.

[@mmoly-cj4bd]

Who's we anyway?

[@deborahartis5969]

BTW: Toilet paper is made in the US regionally. Please don't start a run on TP😢

[@williambencher2466]

good to know

[@lollylollypop3626]

We only bought 2 cases for this. Ran through the Covid TP supply we had.

[@ejb5240]

Very easy to install a bidet

[@DoraIbarra-co4js]

Thanks !🤦‍♀️

[@hanabadah5037]

Except Hawaii 😂

[@the51]

Since when has Biden or Harris been involved in something and the situation was better afterwards.

[@increase1000]

BUT WAIT TRUMP IS STILL PRESIDENT

[@samobispo1527]

They have been a boon for drug smugglers, human traffickers, and undertakers.

[@Dinglesmckringles]

Joe Mama

[@2140BlackCreek]

An intelligent and deep thinking discussion about a very serious issue. Thank you Sal and William.

[@phyllisalderson6247]

Agree

[@RyTrapp0]

I've been watching for most of the channel's existence, and it gets said a lot - but I can't say enough how much I appreciate this content! In a time when it's so difficult to find rational, factual discussions, Sal and this channel have been a game changer for being able to stay informed about an industry that has had pretty drastic national & global impacts in our very recent history. Just watching mainstream news, I wouldn't know a damn thing about these happenings, let alone from reasonable and informed perspectives.

[@user1-c8yrrr]

Hope the dockworkers get what they need. We depend on these men and women everyday.

[@indylovelace]

This is an awesome video for opening the eyes of those outside of the maritime environment. Having worked for a manufacturing company my entire career, I get it…the disruption to the supply chain and how catastrophic this can be to a business…but wow, I now get it…on a global scale. 😳

[@Mimi4UEyesNotBlue]

This and the hurricane coming in. Going shopping in the AM.

[@spebenge]

There is no question where Mr. Doyle is from with that accent! Thanks for another great show and your expertise.

[@danielfox9461]

Am I the only one who thought this was Sal doing one of those bits where he plays multiple characters by changing clothes and throwing on glasses? Seriously these guys could be brothers

[@laurenglass4514]

This is a huge subject and we don’t hear this from any other news source.

[@jamieroberts900]

Yep something this serious should be front line news

[@patrickk9440]

I’m in port at Baltimore surprised I haven’t heard of it yet.

[@RoseanneSeason7]

Fox business has reported it

[@vm321]

If it doesn’t fit the narrative it will never be reported

[@KatheeRN]

They don't want panic buying, but panic buying will begin October 1st. I knew about this week's ago, and finished Xmas shopping for my grandkids as they r still Lil Santa believers. My kids all did the same. I thank God that me and my family are preppers. I don't have to be in that chaotic shopping mess.

[@jason6919]

Great interview. Boeing is facing the same issue. You were right. October surprise is looming.

[@mrfrost663]

If automation replaces workers, that's bad. But if we don't automate and everybody else does, we'll fall behind, and that's bad. It's a double-edged sword

[@jurgschupbach3059]

Yes but how can it be without automatisation these greedy workers provided the job done while covid and did give the profits to the companys.......maybe we should do a automatisation for Bonus cut offs in the Management

[@samobispo1527]

I’m not worried about lagging automation in American ports because America is everyone’s favorite market.

[@harrycraviotto2375]

What about John Deere 10 billion last year in profits 😊and lay off more than 2000 then move plants to Mexico

[@rebeccaoliver7977]

No doubt they’ve recently worked up a Plan 2. Hopefully those 2,000 workers vote n Nov 5th

[@increase1000]

Blame that on the Republicans outsourcing our jobs.

[@harrys1922]

​@increase1000 haha sure, just Republicans, right? Of course democrats only ever have our best interests at heart. Ever heard of Nafta?

[@walsakaluk1584]

You can't really move your ports offshore.

[@ah244895]

So nice to have an intelligent discussion by well informed participants. Thank both of you...

[@MrMathematics00va]

I’m a longshoreman & proud member of ILA LOCAL 1248 in Norfolk, VA. I came across you a few months ago & I appreciate what you do

[@OldTrucker958]

It’s just greed Sal. These port owners and shipping companies could still make a good living paying workers their fair share. I support the longshoremen because sometimes drastic measures need be taken. Retired Union Highways worker. Love your channel I have learned a lot!

[@ThatOpalGuy]

people need to understand that voting for the priorities of the wealthy will NEVER turn out well for themselves.

[@Musikvidedo]

workers having their interests represented through a union really isn't a "drastic measure" in my books

[@THISRW]

First trucker I've seen support us ..thx

[@nozrep]

why is it greed for the entrepreneur who risked all of his financial assets to even start a company in the first place, but somehow not greed for his workers whom he needs, and they need him? Since he could just, you know, say eff it and put the company into bankruptcy?

[@nozrep]

@@Musikvidedodo your books take account of corrupt union bosses with literally well known mafia and crime and lawbreaking histories?

[@mikeoverlin3573]

Kickin off my day with some Sal!

[@ralphaverill2001]

l will always stand with the union and working people. The ILA stepped up during the Covid crisis. Shippers are now posting record profits.. I hope a strike can be avoided, but it's time to share the wealth and acknowledge the critical role dock workers play in keeping it all moving.

[@Musikvidedo]

A strike can be easily avoided by employers deciding to pay fair wages!

[@paison812]

You sure you where the only ones working

[@jimbeam4111]

@@Musikvidedo agreed, but consumers would have to agree to pay more for the cost of goods. As well as shareholders would have to agree to reduced share prices. A lot of pension funds are invested in the markets so retirees would have to agree to reduced benefits. The American public will have to be ok with increased inflation. The dock workers deserve what they asking for, consumers and the public will just have to be ok with it.

[@Atmatan]

​@@jimbeam4111That's not remotely how the economy actually works. Consumers don't just agree to the inflation before it ever comes around, you explained all of that quite literally bass ackwards.

[@jimm4260]

Shipping is huge cyclical… Covid then the Houthis have elevated costs but everything ends… not sure it’s always profitable?

[@danam0228]

Bill's point about JIT not being so prevelant anymore is a great one. Wonder how many retailers et al have migrated away from it

[@Pyle81]

I can report the Long Shoremen in the Port of Cleveland (Yes the Great Lakes works under the ILA) are making preparations for a long term strike that will likely go threw the Great Lakes shut down threw the Welland Canal normal shut down for seasonal maintenance.

[@THISRW]

Only job ive ever worked at where multiple people get killed or have life changing injuries evey year

[@uzlonewolf]

And yet one of their demands is to prohibit automation to keep those jobs 🤣

[@Likeaworm]

@@uzlonewolf just wait till humanoid robots come into the picture. Labor will be a thing of the past. If you don’t believe go check out the Optimus robot from Tesla. You could have a million of these bots sharing information and learning from others mistakes in real time. Starlink will allow for these robots to be anywhere in the world and be connected to the internet…

[@mikerobbins3692]

Good morning Sal.

[@davidr3431]

Great discussion Dr. Sal and Mr. Doyle!!! Thanks for all the info, very eye opening.

[@mikeconklin1567]

Thanks for all your shipping news both good and bad. This will cripple our goods and supplies.

[@michelarboleda6395]

I wish someone would ask the truck drivers who endure daily mistreatment, harassment, delays, and inefficiencies from port workers, how they feel about these same workers now making demands. And now, they even threaten to go on strike, leaving hundreds or thousands of truck drivers-whether company drivers or owner-operators-stranded. Shame on them for being so selfish.

[@Luckydog557]

Thanks for the inside story

[@durbanbudz]

Thanks gents.

[@NatTate-f7e]

I just retired and I don't understand unions and management such yet. The people who actually got me hurt and possibly were union. But without a union, life is not fair at all. I was told by accountants that were watching me one day. I asked and they said that I did 15% more work than anyone else, every single day. I told them that I get paid to do a job. They left and I thought "Great, maybe I will get a raise now!" Nope. They just took away my assistant, put me on night shift, I was now doing two jobs, same pay, and they demoted people, paying them less. And then the harassment started. One person I knew from the past walked up and whispered to me that I need to slow down. What has the world come to? I was being paid to do A job! Not two or three jobs for the same pay.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

accountants? How do they know what effective work is?

[@danam0228]

I have learned lesson the hard way to not domore than average except occassionally as needed, and to do something that adds value, shows what I am capable of. But even so, the mantra of management across all industries I have worked in and friends and family members of mine have worked in since the so called financial crisis of 2008 has been do more with less. And since not long after the financial crisis hit, put as much responsibility as possible on employees, which I see has resulted in a veey us vs. them mentality between employees and management at most companies and management constantly making false claims with regards to their treatment of employees, and employees constantly having to justify their existence.

[@ph11p3540]

@@ThatOpalGuy They don't. They loose their jobs if they are not continuously finding new ways to save money. Either the longshoreman loses his job or the accountant. Their interests are therefore diametrically opposed to each other

[@danam0228]

​@@ThatOpalGuythose are analysts, not accountants, although they are often referred to as accountants even by themselves since eveeyone loves to blame accountants for many issues, especially mismanagement which is a manager issue

[@NatTate-f7e]

@@ThatOpalGuy I worked constantly. I did all the factory production they threw my way. And when I had some gap, I would assist the multi-tasked next station by loading one of their machines. It was not hard or dangerous. That was easy and increased their production about 15% a shift. You push a buggy in, add they usual aggregate, and press start. But being multi-tasked, it was hard for that person to drop one task and run over and load that machine, when the task they were doing had a time chemical reaction time constraint. My shift was doing FINE, GREAT! Management wanted me there. I asked and passed the requirements for a different job that would have allowed me to just set up and reset machines. But they said they needed me there, in the very HOT and HUMID environment. Fine! But then why treat me and the other workers almost as criminals when I am successful. It doesn't make any sense! They never asked me anything! They just made cruel changes. Why? If you don't tell me why or what is really going on, I will just find another job and I did. They called and then wanted to know why I left. I spent an hour telling, nearly yelling at them, and I still left. They did not share any of their reason why they did what they did. Their and their customers loss as far as I am concerned.

[@trentludlow4721]

When we automated rail operations we kept the Drivers (Americans would call then engineers) around as we needed the ability to operate the locomotives and upskilled them to undertake basis problem shooting and repairs to the automation, if this was nto possible they would then operate the trains. Maybe a more pragmatic approach would be to freeze labour numbers now and work together to discuss a forward plan that transitions and supports current employees with the new technology whilst looking forward to the next twenty years to determine the optimum size and skillset of the workforce

[@JPaul60]

The US needs competent grown ups to deal with these things and right now that's completely missing. The rest of the world looks at this ineptness and have decided to find other ways of doing business.

[@redfox1900]

Great info here. Thank you for all your hard work getting people informed.

[@kevinconville3199]

Thank you, gentlemen. Great information.

[@hadenough9495]

Our country needs to understand, there is NO balance between ai and workers. It is one or the other. There is NO both.

[@mannymayer9250]

With automation eventually there will be no jobs to be had. I’m not sure there is a compromise to be had. In this world, jobs are what keeps you fed, clothed and sheltered.

[@Pallasathena-hv4kp]

I wouldn’t hold my breath for UBI in United States.

[@phyllisalderson6247]

Thanks Sal for the update . 🙂

[@jimb3093]

As we enter the last quarter of 2024! What a year. Hang in there folks.

[@phlogistanjones2722]

Thank you for the video and the fine discussion Sal. Always informative. Always interesting. Peaceful Skies

[@donm3844]

This strike really shows why we need automation in American ports, American ports are not even in the top 50 in the world in efficiency, That's sad. When ports that are automated they can load and unload 15 to 1 compared to American ports, The cost of the raise they are asking for ,would update every single port with automated loading within 1 year ,This would help to get American ports up to speed with the rest of the world and shows how unions are really detrimental to our own businesses and workers when it comes to much needed progress.

[@PJNiteballer]

Thank you Sal! Great info that John Q Public won't ever hear. From a Ward Carroll fan. I subscribed this morning.

[@StevenPalmer-cs5ix]

Great discussion about the topic with solid information about industry nuances. I really like looking at each sides' perspective.

[@Gettin_chunky]

100% support the ILA. These companies paid billions in bonuses so obviously they are doing fine without automation

[@herusun3654]

And it's funny how a bunch of foreign shipping companies get to hide behind a name like USMA......

[@dotwill]

This topic won’t get as many views as things like ship crashes or bridge collapses but this is way more important than those other events.

[@sarahberkowitz379]

Thanks for an informative session Sal, and a great interview with a fellow Weymouthite!

[@AllNighterHeider]

Technology is naturally deflationary, making tasks faster, easier, or more efficient. This is why houses are built with nail guns and ditches dug with backhoes, not spoons. There's no shortage of problems to be solved and value to be provided, so job losses are ideally job shifts vs unemployment. That's the thesis, I'm not advocating this translates to real world that easy or that ports are ready for less human interaction. This transition is a process not an event. Thanks Sal

[@JHe-f9t]

Ask the people who manufactured horse whips what they thought of the automobile. I don't think there's as much anti-technology public support as they think there is. There's already a labor shortage in the trades, and it's not like a crane operator or forklift operator cannot find another job literally anywhere in the country. Furthermore, if the job is dangerous and people get killed all the time, preventing automation means you want more workers to die just so some of them can keep their job doing it the old way.

[@lestervinghail5654]

​@@JHe-f9tHello fake account with a fake name.

[@upperthread]

Thank you for the heads up! Very interesting.

[@anthonyforte7907]

You dont work without a contract. Thats how it works

[@billykershaw2781]

Sal, have a chat with Mick Lynch of the RMT Union here in the UK.

[@hollarforadollar9244]

I never stayed home for covid . Deemed essential my company made molds for concrete block . Shipped all over the world . Really missed out on unemployment payments double my salary .damn

[@JohnSmith-xi9nd]

If we automate our society what do we do to earn a salary and pay our bills?

[@JonathanNation]

There is still a skills gap ... There are tons of jobs for mechanics, welders, plumbers, and others who work with their hands. It will be a very long time before everything is automated, yet fighting against technology and quality of life improvements is a short term anti-growth or self-centered mindset.

[@Comm0ut]

@@JonathanNation Many mechanics quit that field because of low pay per hour worked (the dealer or shop makes the profit while tech pay hasn't come close to tracking inflation). "Welding" is mostly fab shop work slinging a wire welder on the low end of the pay scale. The structural and pipe business is much smaller and a young man's game. (Mike Rowe is a rich actor paid to make people feel good.) The reality of the trades is not some waterfall of money (for the workers). I'm a lifelong mechanic with machining and welding background, but I was smart enough to join the armed forces to vest a reliable retirement. The auto mechanics including shop owners I knew as a youth told me to avoid the field...in 1978. They were right. I enjoyed industrial mechanics but the companies I worked for left my hometown and/or no longer exist.

[@anthonyforte7907]

Lets not forget,who pays taxes?

[@JimDuncan-t6q]

Our government needs to grow a Pair like Reagan this will hurt all Americans, if they strike replace them we got plenty of illegal’s looking for work..

[@michaelclark7602]

You said it right at the beginning. The workers we're there every day during COVID didn't skip a beat, and that companies made billions of dollars. They've been locked into a 6 year contract, and they need to be compensated for wages that are due for them today.

[@blafonovision4342]

Why not require job security for everyone currently employed, but then bring in automation as people quit or retire? Requiring that all automation is made in USA, of course.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

and introduce BMI for all.

[@blafonovision4342]

@@ThatOpalGuy for workers, executives, stockholders, and consumers?

[@paison812]

Made in the usa cant be achieved because the high wages that’s just facts

[@blafonovision4342]

@@paison812 yes. And we need to keep those high wages, and keep cheaply manufactured foreign products out.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Probably the solution they will end up at, but such an agreement has to be carefully watched & enforced.

[@kittydaddy2023]

Time to like and subscribe to the most important channel on KZbin since 1977

[@The_Reckoning_Is_Here]

As a consumer I support the strike these port workers busy their butts to make sure the people in this country get what is needed and all they want is a decent wage with decent benefits they aren’t asking for anything unreasonable.

[@truthful2877]

Seriously, so many people are already suffering.

[@robamaral9089]

Oy vey. Great show Sal and Mr Doyle. Real information 🇺🇸

[@laurenglass4514]

This is so concerning to say the least. 1977 ? Wow . What is the big basic issues?? Don’t let it go to government intervention.

[@REYSOHOOD]

The main issue is automation.. Union doesn't want it and rightfully so

[@abrahm1229]

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[@MikeyColon]

Crazy how a few people don't want to work things out and rather watch the world burn.

[@brooklynmadejc4497]

Pay ppl what they want and everything will be okay.

[@egondro9157]

This is most likely not just about pay. Plus I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Union contracts and CBA proposals. Some of them ask for the moon. They’re getting benefits that the average worker isn’t getting. Sounds like they want requirements to ensure to technology comes in. Ports and business don’t want to be hamstrung into not integrating technology. Not that I don’t empathize their plight of being pushed out as obsolescence.

[@Comm0ut]

Business is war. Labor and management in the US are enemies, and management buy media.

[@coldsholda]

They are liars I’m a longshoremen they want to automate the terminals at the same time raise the prices on consumers they are greedy

[@ashnfrank10]

Leave them on strike give them 200 a week and hire people grateful to have a job truck drivers showed up during COVID nurses, emt did we cry and ask for 75 percent raise

[@hobbyfarmer62]

I get it about protecting jobs but the union has to face the simple reality that automation will come in time no matter what. the unions needs to make themselves part of that process or in time they will be shut out make sure they are the ones being trained to operate the new tech. or like all ludites, they will be left behind, technology will come like it or not.

[@tippo5341]

Brillint insight from both Bill and yourself, and as the days are counting down, will be interesting to see what transpires out of any talks that are held...and hopefully a last minute resolution can be forged out between all the parties involved, and the looming crisis can be averted!!! Cheers from Sydney Aus!!!! 🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@RearAdmiralMcSpanky]

In my experience with automation in the manufacturing side what I would suggest is 1. Set up a council to ensure these products actually work. I can’t tell you how many companies get sold on these slick automation products only to have them sit around and collect dust. That way these companies can still automate efficiently like they want to. 2. The money that would go to wages should instead be put into a fund into training programs for younger longshoremen how to use and do QA to these automated systems the companies want to bring in. These programs/funds should guarantee the longshoremen pay raises upon completion of these programs. 3. Every longshoreman with XX amount of tenure are guaranteed their pensions after 5-10 years so that way if their jobs get replaced by machines they can still retire comfortably.

[@jhonditch4269]

close the world and start all over

[@krostouin]

What the government does expect by forcing people to work ? -50% production rate ?

[@QUAN.410]

@@krostouin cause it’s definitely gonna be slow motion it won’t motivate anyone to work at their full potential

[@anthonyforte7907]

Much lower then 50 percent. Trust me on that one

[@phyllisalderson6247]

Y’all this a hard job ,, not many will do ,,, we need to stand with them ,,,

[@Matt-e4x]

The other result is inflation, shortages will drive up prices

[@tg9754]

Great discussion. Thanks for making this video. I understand much moe than I did before.

[@RobertStanovich-mn9go]

Great episode professor, you both know what you're talking about, and william dropping words that are not commonly heard amongst the private sector. No matter what happens military, passenger ships, and perishables will be taken care of at least It is on the west coast in situations like this.

[@Smoothe932]

My first comment on your channel. Thank you so much for your videos. The longshoremen not wanting automation is crazy. If this is their position, I'm not necessarily w/ the corporations, but I'm definitely against the longshoremen. They should be pushing for new job training and skills training. Something to do after their jobs are gone. Because... Those jobs ARE going to be gone at some point. Some time pretty soon. Better to get them moving in that direction now when they have some leverage.

[@jjernigan17]

You do understand that their goal with automation is to significantly reduce human jobs and their wages. If every company pursued this, then where the hell with all the tax revenue that this country takes from Payroll come from? It’s crazy that you’d rather see these giant companies get richer while people like myself are put out of a job? What a ridiculous comment

[@brucelytle1144]

​@@jjernigan17I find yor position kinda silly! I've made a living for 20 years or so, sailing ships, licensed engineer, etc. I have also worked ashore, designing and maintaining automation & robotic systems. They all (overall) take at least 3 more people to maintain them, than the people replaced! As far as I'm concerned, longshore have been overpaid for years anyway! I've had them tell me what they make, they got more on straight time as I got for overtime! They WILL require retraining in some field to progress in life! Learn new skills! They might find a career that pays more and they enjoy more!

[@SpookyEng1]

They will just be replaced by third world workers….

[@Smoothe932]

@@jjernigan17 Your comment is not ridiculous. I understand their concerns. Neither is mine. I respect your opinions. I just don't agree. Automation makes us, the USA, more competitive, and reduces prices that we pay. Paying people for something that can be done better by machines and computers, solely to preserve jobs, is counter-productive. The world is moving / has moved towards automation. I lost my job twice because of automation. I went back to school for another trade. I had to do that on my own dime. I have since retired and do not regret the training and better pay. The longshoremen should be pushing for retraining. Those positions are going to go away. Next year, three years from now, sometime in the near future. It is better to plan for the future than protectionism for something that will be replaced in the near future.

[@capthanktx486]

Very interesting discussion with a LOT of (to most folks) invisible moving parts ! After the interview, however, one question persists in my mind…. Why does Bill talk so funny 😂?

[@CricketsBay]

Idk, Bill sounds like he's from Worcester, MA to me. What does he sound like to you?

[@tonyf193]

The general public doesn't have emotional support for ILA working during covid. They were lucky enough to keep their jobs. The container ports need to rachet down on no-show jobs, guys getting paid and not being on the piers. The wasted payroll is enormous!!!!!

[@mmoly-cj4bd]

It would be nice if you or anyone else reporting on this can lay out some specific numbers on what the longshoreman make per hour, yearly, what their benefits are, seniority etc. so we, the general public, can get an idea what really is going on and make our own judgements. The ILA wants a 70% pay raise and no automation. Both parties haven't been to the negotiating table since June. The union president makes statements like, "I will cripple you". This reminds me of the legendary union leader John L. Lewis head of the United Mine Workers from 1920-1960. His strikes that interrupted the supply of coal and as well as well of the resulting wage increases that increased the cost of coal led to consumers and businesses to switch from coal to oil. The higher wages led to coal companies automating the industry and leading to a huge loss of employment for mine workers. This example has happened throughout American history and prove basically there is no free lunch. And Biden won't do anything to get these parties back to the negotiating table. So please give me some numbers.

[@stanleybest8833]

I delayed this show for almost two days. 32 minutes. My favorite guests on Shipping are Chief Makoi and Bill Doyle. Building prototype parts by hand is excruciatingly boring, but I mindlessly shaved plastic with a file, but Bill Doyle made this half hour much more interesting because he knows what he's talking about. There are two ugly reptiles swimming around this strike. The selfish unnoticed software companies that power automation and the very mistreated and underpaid truckers and companies that are going to have to take up the slack if this strike occurs, and if it ends.

[@dennisclapp7527]

Thanks Sal

[@LEEGULICKSON]

By the time the strike are broken, the damage to Maratime Unions reputation was irreparable. Automation will win, and it wasn’t just because it was cheaper or more efficient-it was because it was necessary. The public saw it as the future, and Kresse’s stubbornness had forced them to embrace it faster than they otherwise would have. In the end, it was MRtime Union insensitivity to the human cost of Thier actions that make them the villain of the story. Thier refusal to see beyond the immediate interests of the union made Them a tragic figure, standing in the way of progress during one of the nation’s darkest hours.

[@Chris-hy6bb]

We have watched you since the 1st time we noticed the channel. Everything you say is interesting and clearly you are an expert in your field. Today was even more spectacular. We watched it twice. Thank you for the sound information. ps: we look forward to seeing those shirts 😂 Tom n Christy.

[@konekillerking]

If there is a strike, I’m sure they will blame Trump.

[@brownidlion]

Best channel on the internet and the best shirts to boot 😂!

[@scratchnbell]

Sal, you've made a couple of comments on different videos on how inefficient American ports are. I think that says a lot

[@wgowshipping]

Check out the World Bank Index of Ports and see where some of the largest US ports sit. Out of 405 ports, Port Elizabeth (Newark) is 391 and Savannah is 395. Now, some are good - Charleston is 53. openknowledge.worldbank.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/6cebb847-6f46-44e7-9533-12ac893b3693/content

[@flyingsword135]

Because of the unions

[@jonnaseattle466]

@@flyingsword135 Here in Seattle, plenty if not most of our crane operators make or exceed 40 moves per hour, which is world class. What we can't do is get containers OUT of the ports due to congestion. We have offered time and time again to work a 3rd shift to exclusively open the ports to off the road trucks to efficiently get containers out; the employers have always refused because they don't want to pay 3rd shift rates. Tellingly, during the height of the supply crisis, Biden got the ports of LA and Longbeach (the largest port in the US) to open on the 3rd shift so that my brothers and sisters there could get containers out. It worked. But the shippers don't care to move cargo they care only about making money. If the containers are stuck on the terminal and they are collecting fees they are still happy.

[@sir1junior]

​@@wgowshippingThank you for mentioning Charleston 😂💪🏿 I'm working hard as I can here.

[@sir1junior]

​@@flyingsword135No there are so many other factors that effect the speed of ports, last year here in Charleston we couldn't move the ships out fast enough because the dock was full due to there being a shortage of freight trucks. We were backed up by 8 ships. Honestly we Union workers work too fast. If we were slow we would make more money.

[@christianjones3384]

How does an ILA non-container port get affected by the potential strike? Will there be solidarity shown by these Locals?

[@LAkeshow17]

Huh? Cargo is cargo. Even luggage on a cruise ship is ILA territory.

[@Any_Halfs]

Military cargo and cruise ships will not be affected CPA will not be affected by strike since that side of the union deals with mainly general cargo very little containers

[@kebsis]

Military and cruise ships are being let through because the ILA specifically decided to work those cargos, it's not because they are bulk or not container ships. Any bulk, ro-ro etc cargo that isn't specifically allowed through will not be worked if it's an ILA port, doesn't matter that it isn't in a container

[@robertland2616]

Sal, will a strike effect bulk ships as well?

[@nozrep]

as Professor says at the end, it os absolutely a dangerous job. And many are unware. Never worked on the docks but I did work as a journeyman crane rigger on the ground for a while, lifting objects with cranes that weight hundreds of thousands of pounds. You don’t get your cables rigged up exactly correct AND the crane operators pays attention to weights and angles, you’re cooked!

[@albing1397]

Ask the UAW how their "Historic Contract" is helping them keep their jobs. If you price yourself out of the market, the market will fix it. Automation should be handled on an attrition basis. If expanding a port, you can add automation - those jobs were not there before. The Union management does not have the best interests of their members in mind, only their perks.

[@dwitcraft]

Sal, when I look at automation around the world, I don't see broad investment in ports for the sake of advancement. It's very focused and based on necessity. Rotterdam, Shanghai and other Asian ports are space constrained. They only make infrastructure investment where they have too. They use it as a stick in negotiations to try to get workers to take less. Houston isn't going to automate, because they have plenty of room. Shippers prefer to not owe any payments when they don't have freight to move. Variable supply on the dock is preferable to large, fixed investments. USMX will settle when their stakeholders feel the pain.

[@davebollmann5292]

Sal once again you have a great video on an important topic. I have long roots at Beth Steel Sparrows Point. I worked as Non Union then, I did dangerous jobs which union guys would not do. LATER I worked with Amtote as a union employee for 20 plus years. The automation of union jobs is a big deal but if unions get too greaddy the eneventually the company goes bankrupt and all union jobs are gone. Unions have some good things to protect their members but dont destroy the company.

[@udo5479]

Hello Sal Can you pick up the story about the "RUBY" loaded with 20000 Tons Ammoniumnitrate from Russia.She has a major damage in a storm north of Norway.All arescarad about the load.Seems she is part of Putins Shadow Fleet.Can you put an eye on it for us.Greeting from Germany

[@TomSmith-sr2br]

wasn't being move by longshoremen alone, it was truckers also who getting shafted.

[@Commandoj251]

Port Freeport, TX won’t be impacted by this strike I have been told, feel free to ship your cargo there after Oct 1st…

[@norakatz-rhoads390]

" All the players know this " logistics and negotiations are moving targets especially when all sides are considering so many factors. The US president gave a speach yesterday about the value of negotiation. ❤❤❤❤

[@williewilson8244]

Strike 🪧 Strike 🪧 Strike 🪧 Strike !!!!

[@Retiredtraveler1961]

Well, first, let me say as an RN. I have no sympathy for that argument. "They were working during Covid… "Talk to any policeman talk to any nurse talk to any fireman talk to any essential worker that argument carries no sway! Second of all automation is the way the future sorry, get over it longshoreman! I have no sympathy and I hope the strike because let them go without money!!

[@uzlonewolf]

"This is a dangerous job with people getting hurt or killed weekly! You should see how grueling and dangerous this job is!" Also them: "Absolutely no replacing these extremely dangerous jobs with automation!"

[@onlyme112]

The containerization revolution was a form of "automation", but the longshoremen survived that change. Without containers, there wouldn't be enough able-bodied adults in the country to keep all the goods moving in the ports.

[@Navajosun]

How’s the strike going to affect the consumer? When will the impact be felt? What products will be affected. That’s what I want to know.

[@JustinThomas-vk5px]

Fruit and vegetables

[@THISRW]

We were out 3 months in Baltimore