Porygon Only - Pokemon FireRed

[@Cream147player]

It was always weird how they put a random Hiker in the middle of the Elite 4 in RBY, glad Game Freak fixed this and added Bruno from GSC to the remakes.

[@noukan42]

Top 10 anime redemption arcs

[@Glidus]

It is unintuitive and arguable, but I see the reasoning behind SonicBoom not being sound-based. Sound-based moves appear to all be effects caused directly by sound the Pokemon produces, i.e. Sing is a lullaby that causes the opponent to sleep. A sonic boom *is* a sound, but it's the sound of a shock wave caused by motion at super-sonic speeds. A lot of the time when people say "sonic boom" they are referring to the shock wave and not the sound. Voltorb isn't producing a sound directly, it's just moving so fast that the shock wave it creates damages its opponent. Soundproof doesn't block it because it's not the sound that damages Porygon. It's the shock wave, the super-sonic motion, that damages Porygon. ...I think?

[@SquirrelGamingProductions]

Boomburst exists though I think Sonic Boom not being sound is actually a miss

[@135forte]

I think you are giving GF too much credit.

[@Rizaidym]

I think it comes down to the description of the move. Boomburst specifically states that the opponent is attacked with "terrible, explosive sound," while Sonic Boom's description has never used the word "sound" once. It's always been described as a shock wave. Essentially, the only thing pointing to sound is Sonic Boom's name, which rarely refers to a sound itself; sonicboom refers to the act of breaking the sound barrier, which produces a loud noise as a byproduct. All of which is to say: I feel that Sonic Boom as a sound-based move and Sonic Boom as a non-sound-based move are equally intuitive.

[@sashasscribbles]

Well... sound is a wave of energy travelling through a medium, a shock wave is the same thing just a lot more intense; the distinction between them is magnitude so I think it should count as sound based personally

[@tesladrew2608]

​@@Rizaidymsound is basically a shockwave

[@twilightjoltik3151]

10:10 for normal types with psychic and fighting coverage: the Jigglypuff and Clefairy lines get both psychic and brick break starting in Gen 3, as do Spinda, Snorlax, and Togetic. And the Blissey line, but brick break isn’t going to do much of anything for her. Togekiss in gen 4 also gets Aura Sphere by move relearner, and interestingly has Extrasensory by default only from the Togepi egg in HGSS.

[@6smeargle]

Additionally, in Platinum, Snorlax gets access to a better Psychic type move in the form of Zen Headbutt via the Route 212 Move Tutor for 4 Blue Shards and 4 Yellow Shards. These are available during normal play but require a small amount of backtracking.

[@ZhangLiao07]

Sadly i hate to say. But download only activates when porygon enters the field. So in a solo challenge, only one. However if you're lucky it can just eat an intimidate

[@Tydrelin]

Yea, if it worked on each enemy switch in, that'd break the game worse than Zacian. Imagine a mixed sweeper that literally only knows how to be at maximum optimization.. To be fair though, that thematically kinda fits for a man-made pokemon

[@SquirrelGamingProductions]

7:53 "Recover has pp for days" *I'm crying in Gen IX*

[@pikminman13]

the stall nerf was one of the best changes of gen 9

[@regi2440]

good riddance lmao, it should have even less or have a chance to fail like protect on consecutive uses

[@tefnutofhoney2832]

​@@pikminman13no. Hope this helps!

[@danielotano8677]

​@@tefnutofhoney2832least crying stall user

[@azurekeys1405]

Haven't seen it commented yet, but Whirlwind and Roar don't work if you have no other party members. So after depositing your HM friends, you can set up to +6 on Bruno and the Champ without issue. May help Porygon's time a bit for the 2nd playthrough. Nice vid!

[@robinjonesdragonmage2620]

I was just thinking that, did he put the HM Pokémon back in his party? ...Why??

[@justinsims655]

I can imagine Scott and Misty both staring intently at their sharp rainbow boys spamming Recover against each other.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

It's like the Metapod fight in S1 of the anime. 😂

[@davidhannum9017]

Oh God, reminds me of the horrible battle between Ash's Metapod and Samurai's Metapod, battle of hardens

[@MrEnte3000]

You read out what Conversion does in Gen. 1, but starting in Gen. 2 it changes the users type into that of one of it's moves. Starting in Gen. 6 that's always the type of the move in the first slot.

[@foxryyy]

Has venomoth been using conversion all this time!?

[@shitsalad429]

Conversion3

[@DothrakiDonut]

This is the best comment I'll see on the Internet today , congratulations and celebrations sir 😊 Scott has to like this or the sky will fall and venomoth will become Stella type forever 😅

[@paulozerobr]

10:10 Believe or not, Spinda, it has access to both Brick Break and Psybeam.

[@lewisgregory1996]

Boo

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

Also rock slide from the Emerald Move Tutor, and Dizzy Punch, and Faint Attack. Spinda is only slept on because of it's stats. It's movepool is decent.

[@a.r.4822]

I believe it

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

And it's in the fast level up group. Might do better than stats would suggest.

[@lewisgregory1996]

@weaponizedemoticon1131 A level 70 Spinda loses to Lance pretty much 100% of the time. A Spinda using shock wave with 252 IVs in special has about a 56% chance to KO Gyrados

[@NoLimitSquad]

*D I G I T A L D U C K* 🦆

[@jules9424]

A small correction regarding Whirlwind and Roar: Starting in gen 3, these moves have -6 priority, so they will almost always go last. This means that you can safely set up to +3 against pokémon with these moves before knocking them out.

[@mrb692]

Do they do anything if you only have one Pokémon? If forced swaps are concern, then you could just not give them anything to drag out right?

[@bettyunicorn6132]

@@mrb692 he doesn’t deposit to save time

[@mrb692]

@@bettyunicorn6132 Right, but “I can’t setup past +2 because I want to save 10 seconds depositing my HM friends” seems a bit odd when it costs multiple resets and blackouts y’know what I mean?

[@marcoasturias8520]

​@@mrb692For most overworld battles, it's better to try to win without hitting the PC, because it's almost guaranteed you'll need to go back and pick the mons For the league, yeah, depositing is better

[@mufasa5851]

​@@bettyunicorn6132 I'm sure the single deposit before the league wastes less time than the 20 minutes he ended up spending.

[@matthewlund7807]

@31:53 You don’t need to out-speed Whirlwind because it has a priority of -6.

[@javelin4646]

Wigglytuff learns both the Psychic and Brick Break tms and has almost equal attack and special attack, could be a great user of the normal/psychic/fighting move core you mentioned

[@eljavichu98wtf]

Hi just wanted to say that, from gen 2 onwards, whirwind/roar have negative priority which means that setting up to +3 with no worries is possible, your Pokémon is gonna move first anyway. I love the Porygon line. The video was great.

[@GabeOwzer]

@1:43 Sharpen Onix would be an awesome run!! I love that speedy boulder boy!! I’d always pick up “Rocky” in the gen 2 games: Super effective against the first two gyms and its gigantic defense chuckles at Miltank rollout. Plus its low stats aren’t as big of a deal because of the boosted Exp. you get from it being a trade-Mon

[@unboundsoul3582]

25:05 "Dice-kay" fwiw

[@finally_dorian]

Thank you, "David" from Digimon 02 😅

[@MrAzam244]

​@@finally_dorian I thought it was Davis.

[@finally_dorian]

@@MrAzam244 In American media/English translation. But the original Japanese, he's Daisuke

[@jharrisbrooks]

I just wanted to say that I am always impressed by your ever increasing production quality. I’ve been watching for a while now. My son and I love your videos. Keep it up! You are awesome!

[@TastyMeerkat]

Venomoth Fact #38: Rather than counting Mareep to help them sleep, Venomoth counts Porygon's polygons.

[@a.r.4822]

Bruh keep doing these :-D

[@SlvrStryker]

31:49 ...but why aren't you depositing all of your other Pokemon into the PC before taking on the League? Wouldn't that be the automatic counter for Whirlwind at the end?

[@ace94d]

As a future note: Whirlwind has negative priority in Generation 3, so unless you're also using a move like Whirlwind you CAN set up to +3 and then kill it because it'll always go second.

[@lorddelibird]

I’ve always loved porygon! I remember trying so hard to make this thing work after I grinded the money to buy the coins for so long in blue version. Fun fact in RBY competitive porygon has a niche as a great body slam switch in to all non-amnesia snorlax sets and is one of the very few pokemon that can beat it 1v1 reliably and force it to use self destruct.

[@Flaming_Rok]

It does not BEAT Snorlax 1v1 because Porygon doesn't really do anything in return to Snorlax, but it forces the Snorlax user into an awkward situation where they either have to stay in and waste Body Slams and eventually Rest from chip damage, or swap and risk a teammate being paralyzed. It's a good check to Snorlax, but it is not a counter.

[@tsawy6]

My favourite hyper specific porygon tech is in the Leaf green nuzlocke hack Garbage Green, which, in addition to making you use trash pokemon, nerfs the broken moves. In particular, all setip mobes have 1 pp. However, porygon gets sharpen and /recycle/, which with a leppa berry is one of the only ways to reach +6 attack. The result is that, with some support, you can sweep lorelei setting up on cloyster, agatha setting up on gengar with switch stalling and a steel type and i wanna say theres some niche vs lance as well

[@skeetermania3202]

@@Flaming_Rok Also it’s highly likely you’ll get crit on any 24 Body Slams even considering Snorlax’s abysmal crit rate in Gen 1.

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

​@@skeetermania3202 Porygon can survive a snorlax crit, snorlax would have to crit twice in a row.

[@Zorgdub]

I love how the typing is updated live in the overlay. Thanks for putting in the work, Scott.

[@Jordon_Washington-Iler]

I'm proud of Pidgeot. You made it happen Squidgy. It's always a pleasure hearing your voice and watching your content. You're awesome at what you do. I appreciate you. May good health envelop you always!

[@perkypenguin1663]

One thing worth remembering about Whirlwind and Roar is they have negative priority, so if +3 setup is enough to OHKO the Pokemon with that kind of move, then you can proceed with more power on your side.

[@erixxblack7247]

The surge of dopamine i get anytime i hear RBY chambion battle music is unmatched.

[@moorebetter]

"Onix is essentially the Lt. surge of Pokemon" is probably the coldest thing you've ever said 🥶🥶🥶😂

[@HaydnG266]

I dont get why Porygon and it's 2 evolved forms never appeared on TV after "that episode" - yet they still made 2 new evolve forms for it.

[@SnailShoes]

It's harsh they scapegoated Porygon. It was gosh darn Pikachu ffs... They went to ham on their little mouse. Now we never see the pointy little chap.

[@1stCallipostle]

Didn't it get released from TV prison eventually? Like yeah it took 20 years but

[@NeoZanther]

@@1stCallipostlenope. Has never aired on TV again but you can watch KZbin vids of it, though the problem scene has has its fps reduced to prevent the incident from happening again

[@mmcthrow]

Another interesting thing to consider: are there any gym leaders, Elite Four members, champions, or other major characters with a Porygon or its evolutions? I can’t think of any, though I’m not very knowledge about Gen 5 and beyond. The video game team could’ve chosen to force the issue regarding the anime’s avoidance of Porygon by having a very important trainer have a Porygon or one of its evolutions, but Porygon never reappeared after the infamous episode it debuted in.

[@mmcthrow]

@@SnailShoes My understanding based on what I’ve read from Takeshi Shudo and other people involved with the anime at the time is that the staff of the anime felt very badly about the incident to the point that feelings were still raw years after the incident. Perhaps the reason Porygon never reappeared and why its evolutions never appeared has less to do with blaming Porygon for the incident and more to do with the anime staff not wanting to be reminded of the incident, kind of like Brock’s feelings about Professor Ivy….”Don’t mention that name!”

[@theSato]

i was just rewatching the OG porygon videos this week at night.. coincidence! hehe. recover pp.

[@neilcudney8644]

10:38 "Gamefreak really knew what they were doing when they filled his gym with trash." This cracked me up.🤣

[@crimsoncutz8430]

That liking to play defensively thing will surely be a great fit with Dugtrio!

[@DougDoesPokemon]

Ive been following this channel for a loooong time. You are definitely one of my greatest inspirations to become a poketuber myself. Great work as always. Keep it up🦆🦆

[@Marchingvenusaur]

Pory and its evolutions are one of my top 10 lines. Hope it does well. Edit: I'm glad it at least got C tier. Love this thing.

[@Zorgdub]

23:32 "Enemy Rhyhorn used Leer. Porygon's Speed sharply fell!" Scott: "Nothing is slowing Porygon down."

[@bortzanator3018]

I know you have stated in the past that your yellow 3 way porygon race was one of your worst performing videos, but I hope you know that at least one person out there (me) really enjoyed it. I am happy to see another porygon video. Thanks.

[@BenSharpedo]

My brain breaking with scott not dumping his mons into the pc to be Roar immune

[@skeetermania3202]

30:29 In situations like those, deposit HM users to make this irrelevant.

[@lechase7696]

Regarding pure Normal types with Psychic + Fighting coverage, when you eventually do Spinda in Platinum, Spinda can learn Drain Punch via TM from Maylene and learns Psybeam via level up. For even more perfect coverage, it learns Sucker Punch via level up as well to hit Ghost types. If playing in Emerald, Spinda learns Brick Break via TM as well (a bit later in the game is not as cool). A lot of Normal types can do this in Generation 9 as well, but its cool to see such a terrible pokemon have a genuine underrated niche in solo playthroughs.

[@tenebrasm]

If only Porygon had surf... To be continued...

[@pokepress]

The attack name is definitely appropriate.

[@DRMV18]

Don’t know if it happens every time but the animation for Koga doing ninja stuff looks fantastic! 🔥

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Never underestimate the digital duck. 😂

[@gilvy12]

Always happy to see more of my favorite line on this channel. It would be cool to see how porygon 2 would do on the rematches as well, similar to you doing crobat

[@Speedrunner0218]

Uh no, not the "P-Word". I've had a bad history with this thing.

[@mason5789]

Great video Scott! I personally wouldn’t be interested in a second league if that was implemented into future FireRed videos. Just for me, I’m satisfied with the current format and like the flow of these current vids!

[@Penguindude1]

I like the editing jokes, such as how your Porygon has a ton of Eevees, while Surge doesn't.

[@swaggypepper]

Fun Fact: VGC-Players know that Dowload only activates once when Porygon enters a battle. So you won't setup over a battle by that unfortunately :( But even without a full setup, Porygon and P2 are performing very well - in VGC and solo-challenges. Keep up the great work, Scott! :)

[@PillzmansFox]

Why wouldn't you put your hm users up during the league fight so you don't have to worry about roar and whirlwind? You get to set up to +6 and sweep his team

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

Porygon's back sprite looks fantastic!

[@ricksdarkness3257]

I was hoping for a Porygon 2 round league rematch, but amazing work as always

[@TechHunterOfficial]

A Scott video on a Wednesday? Let's gooooooo

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

Im gonna love this one. I really enjoy the more machine-like Pokemon like Porygon and the Magnemite line

[@derekmartin5083]

Wigglytuff and Snorlax can learn Brick Break, Focus Blast, Body Press and Drain Punch as well as Psyshock and Zen Headbutt. Zangoose can learn Low Kick, Low Sweep, Brick Break, Aura Sphere, Reversal, Focus Blast, and Close Combat as well as Zen Headbutt

[@tesladrew2608]

Zangoose op

[@shirounshiroun7555]

Go Porygon! Him and his evolution line are ones of my favorite Pokemon ever 💙 I'm pleasantly surprised to see it did so well besides Bruno

[@TJF588]

"I survive in Yellow" Silly Scott, this is FireRed. The Magneton is part-Steel, for the record.

[@lordravenblade]

A Sonic Boom is the sound wave caused by something breaking the sound barrier. Even if you can’t hear it being too close will hurt. Think about fighter jets breaking windows by flying too close. It’s different from something like Sing because hearing it isn’t the problem, you’re getting knocked around by the wave.

[@pearlexportdrums]

I really like the intro's for the gym leaders and elite 4. Stylish!

[@silver_was_found]

1:01 yooooo, Venomoth arrow is back! It’s my favorite normal-type after the Porygon line :D

[@joemclenigan6026]

Love the porygon line...Porygon 2 is a great mon! Very versatile

[@kangaskdan]

I'm getting fun flashbacks to the porygon race :D

[@ostint912]

Conversion is really good on porygon as you can get stab on your moves instead of waiting for the enemy to change your type

[@MrMacdaddymcfly]

New video for my lunch break? What a treat!

[@Vaati1992]

Well, when it comes to Normal-types that are in FRLG and that get Psychic- and Fighting-type coverage... I can only think of Wigglytuff, Clefable, Chansey, and Snorlax. They all get Brick Break AND Psychic. Clefable might be your best bet for that idea.

[@a.r.4822]

Clefable is slept on. Did a solo nuzlocke with it, no problem

[@Nagassh]

A Sonic Boom isn't just a sound, never struck me as odd that it wasn't immuned. It's not something like being sung to where if you can't hear it you won't experience it. Arguing otherwise you might as well argue that they should be immune to Thunder as well.

[@PraefMace]

Whaaaat? A new video so soon? Such a surprise and such a treat too! I really like Porygon's design. Also droooopped my ballsss!

[@freelancermeta]

With regards to roar/whirlwind negating setup if you have only 1 mon in your party (remove mules) it can't swap you out and negate your setup.

[@lookingglass4422]

I think that's only worth it if more setup with Sharpen saves more time than you lose from depositing and withdrawing your HM users

[@redwings13400]

SonicBoom isn't a sound move? I... Uh... Wow. Ok then. I learned something new today. The 1/3 chance of tri-attack to thaw an opposing pokemon is probably due to its flavor as being 1/3 a fire type move. I never expected a pokemon to get through the game perfectly with the exception of Bruno. That's the best performance I've ever seen from him.

[@davidshain8673]

How come you don't do level up training using the versus seeker? You can select which trainers you battle to make sure you get the proper EVs and a ton more cash to buy vitamins.

[@ricksdarkness3257]

Probably because it's time consuming

[@WeaponizedAutism47]

31:48 doesnt whirlwind fail if you only have one pokemon in your party?

[@MrEnte3000]

yes

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Same as Roar

[@finally_dorian]

And he deposited all members to do blackout training, soooo...

[@ruthlesace]

Porygons conversion would be great in black and white where you can use tms indefinitely. Constantly being able to change moveset to perfectly fit the next major fight would be amazing for it.

[@EllieHellBelle]

I think the logic is that Sonicboom is a concussive wave generated by sound, and Soundproof is about not being able to hear/not affected by the audio itself.

[@DwunD016]

I made it to 40:36. And no scott, YOURE INCREDIBLE.

[@metha9987]

By definition Sonic Boom is a sound that come together with shock wave when something break the sound barrier. So my guess is that what damage you isn't a sound but the shock wave that come with it, hence not a sound move.

[@Xeraser2]

Oh hey, Bruno became a trainer.

[@jackcramps6458]

This video made me want to see week where he does one pokemon thru all the games he plays, like porygon week or something

[@puffypuff3144]

a pretty large number of normal types have access to reliable fighting and psychic coverage, actually. Just in the kanto dex alone, Wigglytuff, Clefable, Chansey, and even Snorlax get both Brick Break and Psychic. The addition of stuff like Zen Headbutt in gen 4 added a couple more gen 1 normal types to that list like Tauros and Lickitung. And, while it can't learn any Psychic moves, Dodrio's combination of Flying STAB and Fighting moves like Low Kick provide similar coverage.

[@keltikglider9188]

I like to imagine Porygon tracing Thick Fat and Porygon gets chonky 😂

[@IAmTheGoomy]

Few thoughts: In one of your recent crystal videos, you updated the game to only see you have 1 pokemon so they don’t waste moves on mean look. Could you not do the same thing here (for consistencies sake) to prevent having to play around Whirlwind/Roar when ostensibly you are only using 1 mon? Also, with a grain of salt, is the Bruno strategy potentially to use Substitute to set up Sharpen boosts without getting speed dropped? This should allow you to OHKO the Hitmonchan much sooner. As always, appreciate the content!

[@skeleton608]

10:03 I’m not sure if this is what your asking, but Tauros in from Gen 4 learns Zen Headbutt but the only fighting move it gets it Rock Smash. However, it can learn earthquake which also covers rock and steel Also, Gen 4 Munchlax gets Zen Headbutt as an egg move (not sure on your policy on those) and access to Brick Break and earthquake through TMs

[@stevelknievel4183]

Girafarig is a Normal/Psychic type. It learns Psychic moves in every generation its available and also gets Double Kick, a Fighting type move, as an egg move from Gen IV onwards.

[@darnedchris]

Thanks for overcoming your PTSD (Porygon Traumatic Stress Disorder 😄) for us Scott! I've been wondering. There is a 20% chance of rolling a status. I imagine it then rolls 1/3 of which status it will inflict. If you fight like a fire type, is there a chance it rolls "burn" and then "fail" to inflict a status because it can't burn?

[@mynameispepper1590]

For normal types with psychic and fighting coverage, Wigglytuff gets Submission in gen 1, Dynamic Punch in gen 2, Brick Break in gen 3 and 4, and Psychic in all of them. Maybe it's time to give the sentient cream puff another go?

[@craigcook3801]

Finally, Somebody who doesn't worship Lord Helix

[@summerlovesyou7586]

The laymans definition of sonic is “sound” But sound is just variations in pressure moving through a medium. A “sonic boom” is when said pressure goes beyond a certain threshold-or the speed of sound in whatever medium the pressure waves are propagating through. Yes. A sonic boom is loud but if you took your research a step further and looked up the scientific definition of “sound” also, you would find that “sound” is simply variations in pressure. “Sonic booms” in real life however, only happen when a physical object moves faster that the speed of sound through air. SOUND CANNOT TRAVEL FASTER THAN SOUND therefore, a sonic boom is not a “sound” It’s the pressure wave caused by a physical moving faster than sound. More akin to an explosive force than actual sound.

[@frankieinjapan]

This has me excited for porygon 2 in crystal someday. The evolution line is in my top 5

[@HCHC1801]

I think it'd be worth adding a rule for having additional pokemon in your party for major battles. If the battle is being influenced by other pokemon being in your party, then I feel that slightly reduces the solo-ness of the run. This obviously will lead to a beneficial impact in the form of not being able to be phased out. But, there are other examples which will become apparent. I solo run ORAS and in the champion battle against Steven, its Skarmory knows Spikes. If you have team members, Steven has a good chance of choosing Spikes, potentially giving you the time to set up. However, without them, he'll literally never choose Spikes. I play with all members removed from my party for this reason, as it stops set up Pokemon from getting an unfair advantage.

[@SmashMath151]

Really weird how they added a Gen 2 E4 member to otherwise faithful remakes! Joking aside, this was a solid run. It's quite tough balancing a deep Special movepool with STAB Normal moves and Sharpen.

[@superluigi9528]

You did crobat for second league attempt, now we need porygon2!

[@tobiasgund8048]

Conversion is sooo much better after gen 4, and especially from gen 6 on, when you can actually plan what it converts Porygon into

[@MrEnte3000]

The move was already changed in Gen. 2, though, not after Gen. 4.

[@YOSHIERIDER]

Against the elite-4, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Psychic are the "holy trinity". These 3 moves are super-effective against almost the entire league, with the exceptions of Jynx, Alakazam, and Arcanine. Porygon doesn't get Calm Mind to boost these moves, but it does get Recover and adequate SAt and defenses, making its success in the league pretty trivial. These moves tend to be great throughout the midgame to endgame too, though a STAB normal move against Sabrina and something else against Blaine is nice.

[@Former_Gamer]

If youre at +2 attack against the Pidgeot, then you can go to +3 unless the AI predicts you will go for another set up move. this is because Whirlwind has a priority of -6. So a battle might go like this: Turn1: Pidgeot attacks, then Porygon uses Sharpen. Turn2: Pidgeot attacks, Then Porygon sets up Sharpen again Turn3: Unless the AI predicts another Sharpen here and uses Whirlwind, youre safe. Porygon uses Sharpen again for +3 Turn4: AI sees youre at +3, and tries Whirlwind. Because Whirlwind is -6 priority, you move first and KO them before they can use Whirlwind. Also you deposited your other team members already anyways, so Whirlwind would have failed regardless.

[@pokepress]

I have to assume “Sonic Boom” is part of Surge being a pastiche of Guile from Street Fighter.

[@Playmaker-sama]

No more 69k subs , but yeah nice video Scott, gracias

[@meanbeanmachine]

31:45 When the enemy pokemon uses whirlwind, but you have only one pokemon in your party, doesn't the move fail? Could you have deposited all but Porygon into the PC before starting the elite 4, then using Sharpen until you're +6?

[@mattkoszuta2718]

I would double check but whirlwind may have lower priority.

[@MrEnte3000]

It does, starting in Gen. 2.

[@LetustheDragon]

Honestly, with the soundproof ability, it should more ignore status effects of sound based moves instead of a full ignore. The shockwave of a sonic boom is that the molecules cannot compress anymore that they all become one wave, and with how sine waves work...well energy is weird...so think of a ship getting nailed by a rogue wave. I could go into more in how sound-waves work, but the boom is more of a Decibel than a Hertz withing the hearing spectrum. You'd definitely feel it, sonic booms can do structural damage after all. That said, with Boom Burst existing...and just how games define "sonic" damage in general...one could argue that that you'd still be getting hit by a giant, condensed wave of atmosphere and should still take damage. Personally, I would think "sonic" damage would be the ones that give you naseua and confusion and discomfort. Much like how our current development of sonic weapons that exists do. Overall...sound is weird...energy is weird...it's weird. Pokemon are weird.

[@KakoriGames]

Soundproof doesn't make you imune to Sonic Boom because Sonic Boom hits you with the shock wave, not the sound itself. Sonic Boom's description: "The target is hit with a destructive shock wave that always inflicts 20 HP damage." In comparison, a move like Boomburst used the sound itself to deal damage: "The user attacks everything around it with the destructive power of a terrible, explosive sound."

[@tesladrew2608]

Sounds are basically shockwaves though

[@KakoriGames]

@@tesladrew2608 Yes, but the idea is that "sound moves" work be reaching your eardrums, while a powerful enough shock wave can damage you regardless if you can hear it or not. At least that's the in-game logic for it.

[@iskander0725]

Now, I can't wait for Scott to get more deep into Gen. 4 with this Mon. Eviolite Porygon slaps in Platinum as a playthrough Mon. It is one of my favorite Mons in any generation. Idk if Scott will consider Eviolite, but I do know it gives absurd bulk to so many Mons, so I'd imagine Scott will eventually gravitate towards it as he gets into Pre-Evos in Plat.

[@kevh6303]

Isn't Eviolite introduced in Gen 5?

[@iskander0725]

@@kevh6303 was it? I swear it was Gen. 4. I had the thought though, so lemme fact check myself. And, it was, and I am sad. Been at this Pokemon thing so long, some items are just Mandela Effected to be Gen. 4 in my brain for some reason.

[@olivernylander]

@@iskander0725 "The Eviolite (Japanese: しんかのきせき Evolution Stone) is a type of held item introduced in Generation V. It boosts the Defense and Special Defense of a Pokémon that holds it if the holder is not fully evolved." -- bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Eviolite

[@Zero-dn6qm]

Finally Bruno gets to be a threat.

[@blackswordsmanyuudai2361]

Lopunny gets Zen Headbutt and High Jump Kick, I'm not sure in which gen tho but that combo absolutely crushed teams back in Gen 7 when I could Mega. Probably my favorite mega form, tied with Mawile's

[@TheLostSoul0]

Isn't Sonic Boom a fixed damage move? I feel like those moves always have odd interactions--like Night Shade being able to hit Normal and Psychic types in Gen 1.