Poseidon Redwood + 700c Wheels

Poseidon now makes a budget 700c thru-axle wheelset. How are they on the Redwood? Find out in this video.
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[@nmonye01]

Just purchased this for my partner I have the X. I love that it can do 700 x50c the value just keeps getting better!!! I got the Redwood for $550 out the door with shipping with the discount! One of the best values in gravel bike! love this channel

[@BennyNeptune]

Lol what was that discount code? Im looking to purchase this month, and the price is nearly 800 WITH $100 discount! Price jump 😮

[@thegreatoutthere]

I have the Redwood with BOTH the 650B and 700 wheels. The performance is night and day better with narrower tires and larger diameter wheels. In fact, I just completed a competitive 55 mile gravel grinder with 700 x 40c tires. I save the 650B for LOADED touring. For fun mixed gravel and road rides, I prefer the 700 tires all the time. Note: the stock 650B tires are NOT tubeless compatible! Poseidon cheaped out here, so you need to buy new tires before converting to tubeless. During the conversion process, true the wheels and you will have a great set-up.

[@thegreatoutthere]

If you buy the "accessory" 700c wheels from Poseidon, it's important to know that NOTHING else is included with the bare wheels! You need to buy brake rotors, cassette, and tires/tubes - or the parts for a tubeless conversion.

[@OHJLM]

I went another route and setup my size XL Redwood as a Mullet build with 29" wheel front and 27.5" at the rear. I switched from clipless over to flat pedals and haven't yet had any overlap issues. I'm a fairly tall rider at 6'3" and size 13 foot. The Redwood frame works great with the mixed sizing for a wide variety of applications.

[@jonl8816]

I'm in the same boat as you. Looking at the Redwood now but with 700c. And looking at Catalyst pedals

[@sackman56]

I'm a big guy I'm about 6'1 and I weigh over 250lbs do you think a XL or Large size would be good for me?

[@OHJLM]

Yes. I'm 6'3" and was around 260 when I first got my XL Redwood. I tried both the Large and XL and they are worlds apart for those above 6' tall. You may need to upgrade the wheels. Look for sales and enduro wheels.

[@globaljet8420]

Thinking of getting the Redwood flat bar - in your opinion, would 29x2.3 fit both front/rear?

[@OHJLM]

@@globaljet8420 Maybe? I'm running Teravail Ehline tires in the 2.3 width at F/R. Running 29x2.3 at the rear might be tight depending on the tread pattern. While you can go down to a narrower width, I wouldn't recommend going below 2.3 if you are planning on a 30mm internal width rim/wheel. If you are looking at 29 inch wheel sets, the new Hope Fortus 26 or 30 pro 5 are worth a look. The 26 inch internal width would allow you to go to a narrow 2.0-2.25 width tire with no issue. Also, consider working with a local bike shop who will allow you to try out different wheels first. You may also find that you will need to add a wider handlebar or change out the stem. - Good luck!

[@alexjohnson6462]

Well, the Redwood owner community (it feels like a "community", so many people seem to love the bike because if its upgradeability) has finally convinced me to give it a go. A few more days until mine arrives. Cannot wait for its maiden voyage. Cannot wait to ditch my 37 pound boat anchor mountain bike. I plan to use it for some epic bikepacking trips and races, with the occasional lical gravel ride or race. In either role, I think I will need to do some serious upgrading because it is too heavy in stock form. Still, it is a great option just to get riding out of the box, for a great price. The Pipedream A.L.I.C.E. was my runner-up for budget build as I much prefer the geometry (I wish the stack was higher on the Redwood which seems more in line with what this bike is really meant for - its clearly not a race gravel bike, so why the agressive low stack), but after doing the math, I realized the Pipedream would cost me $3500-plus to build up the bike with Ekar) despite the frame and fork being a great price. Thats no longer a budget build at that point. The new Mason Exposure (among a long list of titanium bikes) may end up being my dream build..... but for now, Redwood it is. Excited.

[@thewoodsystyle]

Brother this is exactly what I needed. Thanks again

[@DAlexKablack]

I went with the redwood due to the incidents of the carbon fork breaking on the other gravel one, little more versatile too

[@dennisfloyd8514]

First time on your channel. Very well done!

[@TheBikeSauce]

Thx Dennis!

[@Ben_in_4k]

I got the x because I will be using it as a commuter but I still want to be able to go on the trails around here

[@nokia6800]

Holy smokes! 2.2kg for wheels is a lot. I just picked up the prime orra v2 from wiggle they are a great budget wheel you should check out. 1650g,24mm internal width, tubeless ready, and dt swiss style star ratchet hub for $290

[@TheoreticalCyclist]

$290 is a "budget wheel"?!?!?

[@nokia6800]

@@TheoreticalCyclist ok. fairly affordable wheelset lol He referred to the Poseidon wheels as budget and they cost pretty much the same, so I was just using his own terms.

[@BikeLife154]

@@nokia6800the prime Orra wheels are now only $259 plus another $20 off in the sales. Only $239 all in. That’s very cheap!

[@nokia6800]

@@BikeLife154 I actually bought mine for $320 a month ago 😭 I should have waited lol

[@BikeLife154]

@@nokia6800 I shouldn’t have said anything! 😂 that happens to everyone. I know it’s happened to me before.

[@hmudesign]

Hey how tall are you and is the S size still good size for you? I’m 173cm, and normally ride a M in road bikes, but on Poseidons website they’d want to put me on a Small size.

[@Bestrong61]

Would the 700’s be doable for the gap/c&o trail

[@hardmtnbiker]

So true about TOE OVERLAP I have a few wheel sets on my gravel bike and mix a few 700c tires sizing from 38 to 50.One set is the Mtn rims Velocity Blunt SS the other is Gravel , the XPLR rims. Anyway the bigger than 43c width is going to overlap but the 40c (what I use the most) are fine. I have never ever hit my toes while riding and it’s only noticeable when I stop and turn my handle bars to the side. As we all know, you’re steering with lean and knees. I can’t think of any situation where toe overlap would effect anything.

[@DaveCM]

I bought a new gravel bike because I got tired of toe overlap. The vast majority of the time, it isn't an issue. On slow and sharp turns, I programmed myself to not have my feet level. But, I would still hit on slow, sharp turns when I had to pedal. It's almost caused me to crash a few times. I will never buy another bike with toe overlap. I've had that bike for about 6 years.

[@hardmtnbiker]

@@DaveCM if you are riding trails with tight corners and switchbacks, I totally see why TOE OVERLAP would be an issue. My gravel rides,avoid those trails.

[@rickhuang]

Awesome ❤❤

[@DaveCM]

Toe overlap is a deal breaker for me. I've had a bike for about 6 years that has toe overlap. It was a little bad with a 38c tire and horrible with a 42c. As you said, it wasn't noticeable the majority of the time. It was an issue on slow, sharp turns. I programmed myself to not have my feet level to avoid it. But, I can't avoid it if I have to pedal. Like on an uphill, slow turn. I've almost crashed a few times. There is a trail I absolutely hate because it is impossible not to hit my toes at least several times. I now have a new gravel bike. It is so much nicer to not worry about toe overlap. Why in the world would they design a bike like that and have toe overlap? My new bike is a Cannondale SuperSix SE. It is literally a full on race bike, and it has no toe overlap at all.

[@kyuseokim988]

I agree with you here... Cleaning steep switchback climbs brings the greatest sense of achievement for me. Going from 700c to 650b eliminated the toe overlap and let me focus my balance, grip, and power on my gravel bike.

[@vmxd]

I ride Redwood size L - with 700c wheels I barely have tow overlap with my spd pedal and shimano shoes. On rocky terrain, I am using flat pedals, like on my mtb, no issues at all

[@alexjohnson6462]

Well, just received my Redwood and took it for a good off-road test ride. First decision was I will definitely be getting a set of semi wide (internal) 700c wheels. I am definitely keeping the stock 27.5 wheelset and Kenda tires (which I think are too wide for most applications), but felt the smaller rim size partly contributed to the slower top end speed (aside from higher rolling resistance of 2.3 tires). For rougher bikepacking, the 650c / 27.5 is the choice, but if I do gravel rides with groups, I definitely would not be able to keep up. 700c with 48c tires seems the way to go if you are used to averaging over 20mph. I think 45c to 48c is the goldilox for this bike. Still capable on rougher terrain, but just fast enough to keep up with guys on their fancy carbon gravel bikes. Bought size large. I am 5'10" with average sized leg and torso length, and thought the fit was great (as per Poseidons sizing chart). Wish the top tube sloped a tad more so I could get more seatpost flex (also some guys also say its too high because they have standover issues). Poseidon should do a bigger stack with a slightly shorter seat tube on their next iteration. Bike is a tank. Thats good for extreme bikepacking, but I will be following others lead and lightening the bike up. Did feel I was working a bit harder than I wanted to due to the weight. I predict I will be happy with my purchase.

[@Eddie65001]

Whats the max 700c tire size that will fit the redwood

[@jasonwu9287]

I've been riding 700c in the front, 650b in the back. Downside is I should carry two different size spare tubes.

[@ritchiemeza]

thinking about getting this as my first gravel bike. if you don’t mind me asking, how tall are you? i’m 5’7 with short legs and have a 54cm road bike that’s probs a little too big for me

[@WiseOneSun]

Hi and thanks for the wheel suggestion. Where are you riding in this video? Beautiful wide dirt road- my fav type! Thank you!

[@TheBikeSauce]

Short section of trail in Murphy ranch park, Whittier. California

[@WiseOneSun]

@The Bike Sauce kool thank you! I'm this close to ordering the Redwood!

[@EricCrofut]

I seen you said you ride small frame, I am 5’9” and could go Medium or Small.

[@coreyreeder3549]

I’ve been looking at these wheels for my Redwood, but I was hoping for a wider internal width. Any other budget options I should consider besides the Hunts?

[@ReimaginedAdventures]

I like my 26x1.75 for my touring bike !

[@Cokecanninja]

But can I out 650b wheels on the X?

[@virginiascurti5036]

Unfortunately their stand over heights are too large for me at 27.5 in inseam so ended up with a Salsa Journeyer instead shame.

[@jered2177]

Nice bike

[@tims6246]

another choice - poseidon ambition flatbar, has all the bells and whistles for 699

[@BikeuntilDead7]

What handlebars are these?!?

[@esteluxmtb5425]

I am thinking of getting this bike. Do you recommend the bike? I ride a lot at Fullerton loop do you think it will do good?

[@TheBikeSauce]

The redwood does great on Floop. It’s the trail the bike was designed for.

[@esteluxmtb5425]

@@TheBikeSauce Thank you!!!

[@sonofasausageking9267]

What is the max 700c tire size for the redwood?

[@TheBikeSauce]

Huge. Lol

[@mellissanash7517]

Specs of that wheelset says more CX or endurance road bike than anything else. If I really wanted 700c wheels on the redwood i19 is a bit too narrow. I would want at least i23 if I wanted to run a 50mm wide tire cause I'd like to ride lower pressure. I'd rather do the extra work for a better bang for the buck wheelset at the same price.

[@onetongrand]

What is the widest 700c Tire you think you could fit on the Redwood. If a wider 700c Rim was used?

[@TheBikeSauce]

Pure clearance? Huge. Probably 2.5 or 2.6? Would be a cool video to max out tire size haha

[@onetongrand]

​@@TheBikeSauce before I ask this question I messaged Poseidon bikes and they told me a 700x42 was the max. It looks like it could fit a lot more. I plan on running a 50c.

[@TheBikeSauce]

@@onetongrand yea the redwood is super spacious. I’ve got 700x50 on there now with no issues

[@globaljet8420]

@@TheBikeSauce Yes please. I want to go with 29x2.3 - love to see it before I buy! Thanks for all the great videos.

[@MrPaulthao]

What is a cheaper or better wheel for this bike for the 700c?

[@jasonwu9287]

Would a Poseidon X with 650b wheels be another option?

[@TheBikeSauce]

Yes, but you’ll be very limited by tire width on the current X

[@Fatbutnotflat]

do you think 700c is really faster rolling though? I went 650b (upgrade from my 700c, so the 650b is much better quality) and it rolls so much lighter, especially on climbs.

[@vmxd]

yes, with 700c wheels and fast rolling tires, redwood is faster. I have 2 sets, original heavy 650b stock rims and light hunt 4 season 25 internal width with 700x44 byways. I use 700c for road riding, mellow gravel and commute, 650b I use for snow, mud, riding with 2,8 tires.

[@JDP8888]

@@vmxd I have been looking into the redwood because it is almost a do it all bike. It is only a matter of switching between wheelsets. As you mentioned, with the 700c you can commute and ride light trails. Then switch back to the stock 650b wheelset for more rough and rugged terrain. I am still in a mixed bag between the X or the Redwood just because I like to ride long distances. I also really like the the fact that you get more out of the box with the Redwood. The X as advertised is a road/gravel bike but it is basically just like any other hybrid bike out there in the market. How much a height difference is there between the 650s and 700 wheels i.e. .5 inch or 1 inch difference in ride height? How is the bike on long rides such as 50+ miles?

[@TheBikeSauce]

Diameter itself isn’t as important as the type of tire. But I’m kore inclined to put on a fast rolling tire on a 700c set, while my 650b wheels usually get knobbies. Doesn’t have to be this way though as you have pointed out

[@vmxd]

@@JDP8888 I ride 45-50 miles on mixed terrain, pavement and gravel with hunt all season rims and byway 44 tires. I like more MTB, but when trails are wet or snowy, I ride my Redwood to keep my legs in shape for summer MTB season. By any means this is not light and fast road bike (in stock form), but as a bike which is like a real Swiss knife aka can do it all - I love it. With my setup and carbon fork and hunt wheels - it weights 17.8 LBS with pedals, for the winter I put back original heavy fork and wide wheels 2.8 and it is snow tank. watch my videos, you will see my different setups. I've never measured height difference with 650b and 700c, I am 5.11 \ 210 lbs never had any issues with size L. I hope it helps.

[@JDP8888]

@@vmxd thank you for replying it is much appreciated. Everyone I have asked in regards the change in ride height or stand over height in general is always 5’10 or taller. I guess short guys aren’t meant for the world of cycling 😂. I am leaning towards the Redwood just because it offers smaller frames in that regard. Your feedback will be taken into consideration.

[@cavalierfan2008]

Nope